He's not the anti-christ!...

…he's just a very naughty boy!



He's not the anti-christ!...

Arsene: Never really had funds for years?


I have not been surprised by Arsenal's defeats to Barcelona away and Manchester United away but I certainly have been surprised by the fans’ reaction to them. The venomous attacks that have been directed at Arsene Wenger have sickened me to my very core and the way in which some of you have thrown your toys out of the pram would be amusing if it all was not so sad. I too have felt the pain and frustration over our continuing barren run and of course as a true fan I hate losing as much as any of you. THERE ARE things I would like to see change at the club but throwing the baby out with the bathwater is only ever a good idea if your name is Frau Hitler.

Make no mistake, the level of vitriolic attacks that have been directed at Arsene Wenger lately have only been comparable to those made upon Adolf Hitler himself. He has been demonised and vilified, but I'm here to make the case that "he's not the Antichrist, he's just a very naughty boy."

Cast your minds back to the year of our lord 1986, Alex Ferguson has just been appointed manager of Manchester united after domestic and European success with Aberdeen. Although Manchester United at the time had very little success on the pitch, they enjoyed one of the biggest followings in the country (if not the world) and the access to the kind of funds for player transfers that only the elite clubs do because they had the fan base and infastructure in place to do so. Ferguson joined Manchester United in November 1986 and the finished 11th at the end of the 1986-87 season.

In the summer of 1987 Ferguson bought Viv Anderson from us for £250,000, Brian McClair from Celtic for £850,000, Jim Leighton from Aberdeen for £500,000 and Steve Bruce from Norwich for £800,000. These transfer fees may seem paltry by today's standards but, younger Gooners, let me assure you that was a lot of money back then. The spending spree had the desired effect and Manchester United finished in second place at the end of the 1987-88 season. Then in the 1988-89 season they finished 11th including a nine match winless run in October-November. Ferguson blamed injuries to his key players for their poor showing that year but the fans were having none of it and wanted much more from the next season. Then in 1989-90 Manchester United finished 13th! There was uproar among the Old Trafford faithful and calls rang out for Ferguson's head on a silver platter even though he had at least managed to deliver the FA Cup that season.

How many Manchester United fans would now care to admit that they were once calling for Sir Alex's head from the terraces of Old Trafford? Remember it all now don't you my fellow Gooners? How could you have forgotten it at all?

If Wenger was finishing 11th and 13th while overhauling the club’s finances and moving stadium I would be upset but Ferguson managed it with a huge stadium already there for him when he arrived and loads of money to spend on players! Ferguson didn't have to worry about financial constraints and already had more than enough experience as a European champion with Aberdeen so he cited injuries for his side’s problems and the Manchester United board agreed that he could have more time and money to bring them their first league championship since 1966-67.

After finishing 6th in 1990-91 and 2nd in 1991-92 Ferguson finally won the championship in 1992-93 spending generously all along the way (Mike Phelan, Paul Ince, Neil Webb, Gary Pallister and Danny Wallace in the 1989-90 season alone).

Manchester United went from 1966-67 to 1992-93 without winning the league title despite being one of the world’s biggest clubs with a great fan base and money to burn. Puts our little barren spell into perspective doesn't it?

What is even more amazing is just how close they came to sacking their most successful manager of all time even before he had really been given enough time to build the foundations for what would turn out to be the most successful period in the club’s history.

Arsene Wenger has operated under huge financial constraints at Arsenal since moving to Ashburton Grove and all the newspaper reports talking about an Arsenal cash surplus are absolute rubbish when you consider that there is still in excess of £130 million to pay on the new stadium. Arsene Wenger has still challenged for trophies under these constraints and has never looked in danger of finishing 6th let alone 11th or 13th and I firmly believe that given enough money to spend on new players he will win at least one more major trophy for Arsenal. Wenger has taken a lot of the flak when it's the board who we should be both aiming for and firing at.

When David Dein was a director I never once heard of Wenger saying "No David! Please No! I don't want to spend £11million on Thierry Henry or £15million on Jose Antonio Reyes or £15 million on Sylvan Wiltord or £7million for Marc Overmars"

The point is that Wenger will spend when the money is made available to him as any manager would, but that has not been possible for the last six long, long years. Arsene Wenger wants to win but he also loves Arsenal Football Club and he is not going to demand that the board put the club’s long term future in jeopardy for the sake of fleeting short term success that, let us make no mistake, would have benefitted him personally and given him the status that the big spending Jose Mourinho now enjoys.

We as fans should demand that this living legend, this great man, be given the funds he both needs and deserves, to win the silverware he so clearly craves. He knows some of his players are not up to scratch, after all, he is used to working with and developing World Cup winners and Premier League champions and therefore knows a world class player when he sees one. But he also has to at least try to motivate and encourage the mediocre players he has to put up with at the present time, both privately and publicly.

Players like Diaby and Denilson, who showed early promise, have let him down despite a plethora of opportunities, and that shows us both his loyalty to young players with signs of potential and his resignation to the fact that there simply is no money to replace them right now. I'm sure Wenger would love to buy a Wesley Sneidjer or a Sebastian Schweinsteiger to replace them, but the board won't give him the funds to do so.

Are we so conceited as to think that we are all so much more clever than him and we can see things that he can't? If anyone is going to tell me that Wenger wouldn't have taken Van Der Vaart for £8million if the money was made available to him they are deluded. If anyone really thought that Arsenal FC Were going to issue the following statement upon leaving Highbury they are also living in a dreamworld…
"Arsenal FC are currently embarking on a move to a new 60,000 capacity stadium at a cost of £400 million. This will mean we are not going to be able to compete in the transfer market for the next seven years thus resulting in vastly reduced success on the pitch. We would advise all of you to not bother renewing your membership until we sort this mess out and start winning trophies again. All of you new fans who have just started supporting Arsenal because of recent successes should think about heading over to Chelsea for the next few seasons as we hear they've just been bought by a billionaire with in excess of £400 million to spend on acquiring a new coach and playing staff."

Of course Arsene Wenger and the board have been guilty of a lot of spin, because, telling the truth to most so-called fans would have been financial suicide. The fans had to believe the magical Wenger would continue to deliver the goods despite having the financial powerhouses of Manchester United and Chelsea to contend with every year. If the fans didn't come and spend their money on club level packages and £4 hot dogs etc, Arsenal would have gone bankrupt.

Yes, Arsene Wenger has got it wrong on occasion but when the purse strings are controlled so tightly, mistakes are inevitable. For every Cygan, there was a Kolo Toure, for every Fabianski there was a Jens Lehmann, for every Diaby there was a Patrick Vieira and for every Denilson there is a Jack Wilshere or Aaron Ramsey. If Wenger wouldn't have became Arsenal manager we would never have kept Dennis Bergkamp or ever even seen Thierry Henry, Robert Pires or Cesc Fabregas in an Arsenal shirt.

The man is a genius and has taken us further than anyone else could have on this budget and you should all remember that those United fans that called for Alex Ferguson's head are now too ashamed to admit it.

Is he perfect? No. But who is? I don't think that our lord Jesus Christ is available to take over right now so Wenger will do just fine for me. As a fan I would like to see someone like Ray Wilkins, Steve Clarke or Owen Coyle brought in to bring some fresh ideas and tactical nous to the table like Ferguson does with his ever changing assistants at Old Trafford. Keeping Pat Rice in that position as a yes man for so long is definitely very naughty of him, as was dispensing with Martin Keown as the defensive coach when we were doing so well with him in that role (Champions League clean sheet record).

But after all I'm not arguing that he is perfect, just that he is not the antichrist incarnate sent to destroy Arsenal FC. Above all I would like to see Wenger given real money to spend and not have to constantly trawl the bargain basement for hidden gems. Ask yourself this, if Ferguson and Mourinho were asked to perform under the constraints and pressure Wenger has now, would they have done any better?


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  1. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Mar 25, 2011, 15:40 #4092

    @ Griffdaz. Like i've said before comparing AW and AH was not to be taken too literally and I was using the most extreme example to make a point. I stuck my neck out to come on to the "Online Gooner" and express an opinion that I knew would get a very mixed reception. Ok, so you think differently from me, thats fine. If it wasn't for people like me playing Devils advocate this whole site would be called "The online Wenger Out manifesto"

  2. Griffdaz

    Mar 24, 2011, 16:58 #4070

    Got up to the "attacks comparable to hitler" and dropped my phone in laughter. Where did you get that load of dribble from? Do you live with the man? Oh no, hang on, I guess you been reading forums where at last people are finally voicing their anger at this man you kneel and pray to each night. Everything you write is in past contents which is exactly your problem. He is a stubborn washed up has been. You may not like it but he is. Yes he has given us some of the best years of this club. I don't want him shot, hung nor top himself in his "bunker". I want him out. I'm not going into the "who would replace him saga". Maybe you can apply for the position of the wenger wheelchair pusher for when he's 85 and your shining his butt. As much as I hate man u you can't compare him to fergie I'm afraid. Oh how I'm going to be vilified for that. Would he put up with the lack of effort,fight and compassion that wenger so defends. No. They would not make his reserves. An arsenal fan. Not an arsene fan.

  3. Cameron_s

    Mar 24, 2011, 10:15 #4059

    It's funny to see people say Arsenal will not win anything with AW. They forgot who brought them the last 3 League titles

  4. Chen

    Mar 21, 2011, 17:36 #3959

    As a fan from the orient. I have to say that I truely respect Wenger and despise those who would compare Wenger to Ferguson. There is simply no comparison in this, Ferguson is never anywhere near Wenger.

  5. David

    Mar 21, 2011, 12:56 #3942

    I am so pleased to see there are so many more realistic Gooners than plastic trophy hunters, Joe thanks for this excellent article

  6. Bergy

    Mar 21, 2011, 2:39 #3919

    Joe, you are asking for evidence that you know cannot be found. It neither proves or disproves your point. We know we don't have Man City's kind of money (we never have and never will) but we do have money, IF AW insists on it. But he hasn't done. He continually says his players are good enough in the face of such overwhelming evidence on the pitch. Maybe the board told him " try not to spend if you could help it" but if he is a winner, he would have insisted. AW has an eye for good talent, he has proven the past but his problem is he will not admit when he is wrong, even when blatantly so. Because of this, he will live and die by his principles and to the board, the former is not an option (and to some of us fans too).

  7. Rob Bullen

    Mar 21, 2011, 0:31 #3918

    Your missing the point with this current squad, it is the attitude of the players, lack of true effort that is upsetting supporters, and the manager not being able to motivate!

  8. Jekyll

    Mar 20, 2011, 23:51 #3917

    If Wenger has no money then why did both he and Gazidis come out at the end of last season and basically say 'we now have money to spend'. Why did he spend £10m on a French football rookie in Koscielny? How on earth did a guy with one season's experience in the french first division cost that much? And most tellingly, why do we have such an enormous wage bill with such a young and unproven squad that haven't achieved anything? Wenger has money to spend. He chooses to spend it on giving his third choice striker £50k a week, is all.

  9. Ajibola

    Mar 20, 2011, 20:43 #3909

    While I can agree that AW has indeed done well for the club I submit that he is not only naughty, he is stubborn and right now I dare say he may just be a bit clueless as to what he needs to do. The bottom line of your submission is that the club does not have money to spend but AW has never admitted this and neither has the Board. Don't give me that excuse of him loving the club so much and would want to harm its reputation by making such news public because trust me I'm not so sure any of the big clubs will be interested in hiring him now as you suggest following his string of trophy less seasons. Maybe you need to put this whole thing in perspective...when the teams does not win trophies, we cant believe the coach knows what he is doing? Added to this is the fact that we don't even see the passion and fight in the way the players play to show that they have anything at stake so please don't tell me not to blame the coach or is the board not paying them as well? Let AW help us to help him...if money is the problem let him shout it on high heavens, the club's brand is too good for someone not to be interested in throwing money at it. My submission is this, the Board is milking the club based on its reputation and brand acceptability, they have AW on heir side who does the job of getting us the fans to believe and keep spending the money while the FANS have nothing to show for it except for souvenirs from the Emirate shops! AW gets paid and the players too never forget that!

  10. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Mar 20, 2011, 20:06 #3907

    @ CD, you are an intelligent man. I enjoy your posts. The points you raised inspired me while writing my new article.( You might get to see it if it is put on the site) it's called "home away from home"

  11. Seven Kings Gunner

    Mar 20, 2011, 19:21 #3906

    It is a well written article - however money was soon found for Arshavin when it looked like we might drop out of the top four! We all understand that AFC cannot tell all concerning their financial arrangements, however the next time you see Manuel chasing a centre forward in "no man's land" remember for another 500K or so we could have had Schwarzer in goal. I am not asking for millions to be wasted just that in certain key position we have competence.

  12. bunch

    Mar 20, 2011, 19:07 #3904

    I think most gooners moving into a feeling of dissatisfaction with Wenger do so in the knowledge that he has done a great job in the past and certainly wouldn't be seen as an "antichrist incarnate sent to destroy Arsenal FC". But every one has a sell-by date and Arsene has clearly gone way over his. Past success has afforded him the latitude that would never be allowed at Man U or Chelsea or Barca or Real given the lack of trophies. His poor tactics, his lack of attention to the mental attitiude of the players (ie the winning element not their so-called intelligence) and his negligence in not addressing the glaring holes in our squad at CB, DM and between the posts are the the damning evidence you need to now say - WENGER OUT. Remeber, the trophyless years are catching up with the trophy winning years. This has got to be the last season we put up with this continuing failure.

  13. Howard

    Mar 20, 2011, 19:03 #3903

    The AKB's would even let Wenger pick his successor.Its fucking crazy.Wenger wouldnt last 6 months at Real Madrid and Barcelona.And name any other top club in europe who would keep a manager who has gone 6 years without a trophy.He is a manager under no pressure to deliver.He gets £6m for what?An Emirates cup every season.The goalkeeping situation sums Wenger up.Almunia is our keeper.What madness

  14. Rob H

    Mar 20, 2011, 18:08 #3902

    Its a tough one, its so frustrating watching this team right now. If we fail to win the league this season and 2011/12 comes and goes without a trophy as the last few years have, do we still believe in Wenger?? How long do we stick with Wenger if season after season ends the same? Im affraid there is a lot of AKB who would wait 10yrs and roll out the same lines. I dont want him to go personally but im utterly frustrated at some of the players he's signed. Not good enough.

  15. normal service resumed chelsea

    Mar 20, 2011, 17:56 #3901

    Ranmirez and Luis from Brazil compared to Denialson. 4 points behind, goal diff negligeable. we are in a race for 4th maybe 3rd and not a race for the title and chelski are further ahead on their re-building for next year than we are on ours.

  16. Shropshire Lad

    Mar 20, 2011, 15:52 #3900

    Brilliant post. At last someone has spelt out why there is no money and, more importantly, why the Club cannot admit to it. Wenger has been superb most of the time and if's the Board and the CEO who should be ashamed by not trying to find ways to take the heat. Some of the players should also hang their heads for not showing their true ability at the right time to get them over the line in competitions

  17. CD

    Mar 20, 2011, 15:34 #3899

    Joe please look again at the accounts!! Arsenal FC are a PLC and these accounts can not be fiddled with, as if they were criminal proceedings would follow. Show me a club here who has dispayed a better set of accounts and is more cash rich than Arsenal in the last five years. The money is their for transfers but Wenger has become so obsessed with his experiment that if he now goes out and spends £20 million on one quality world class player it would be like admitting to himself his experiment has failed, and he is way to stubborn to do that!! Yes I realize that Chelski & Citeh have sugar daddies whom have inflated & distorted the transfer market. However we do have two sugar daddies ourselfs, one of whom has volunteered to give money for this very purpose and he now has more dosh than Chelski's benefactor. The thing is I nor most Gooners are not asking Wenger to go mad in the transfer market, but please don't suggest he can not find better players than the current dross squad players in his team, because of money restrictions. Another point is that I believe Wenger wants to leave a legacy, and that legacy would be a brand new stadium completly debt free, which would explain his reluctance to spend a penny in the transfer market. He is more a board director today than an actual team manager, and has got the two jobs confused and the Wenger board member has won out, which is why we continue as supporters to experience groundhog day year after frustrating year. Stop making excuses for this man, and realize he has turned into business man, where money is the order of the day and hence the 6.5% increase in ticket prices, which were already the most expensive in the world, prior to the increase!!!

  18. Aron

    Mar 20, 2011, 15:11 #3898

    not that we need van der vaart, but adebayor and toure were sold for £40m..squillaci koscielny & vermaelen were bought for around £20...................

  19. Gus

    Mar 20, 2011, 15:06 #3897

    Joe Fitzpatrick raises a valid point here. The accusations of AW squeezing the club with his miserly dictorial fist appear exaggerated. If they are deductions with no evidence, as seems the case, what we have is a subjective and irrational bandwagon. AW has his failings as my previous posts (and those of many others) point out. But unless one can be certain of accusations of AW choosing not to spend money with clear unquestionable evidence surely one cannot use this claim at all? We all agree we should have never wasted cash some of the players we bought but can anyone prove anything further on AW's financial intransgience? Anyway I know I wouldn't have spent 8.45 mill on Koscielny! And how much was Squillaci? I wish transfer fees weren't "undisclosed!"

  20. bagallgooner

    Mar 20, 2011, 14:38 #3896

    As i congratulate you on an astute peice of literature, i can`t fathom why A.W insists on neglecting our ongoing `goalkeeping` problem and continually employs `boys` to do a mans job(Denilson,Diaby,Squillaci et al).

  21. nugs

    Mar 20, 2011, 14:08 #3895

    your beliefs on why arsenal moved are intresting, imo arsenal moved to the 60000 capacity bowl so they can make more money not so they can compete in the transfer market, arsenal and aw are never going to spend big money regardless of how strong the club are finance wise.

  22. Mar 20, 2011, 13:50 #3894

    Very good article that and it just highlights the fact that we should be careful what we wish for. Just think and remember that if United had not beaten Nottingham Forest in that FA Cup match, Fergie would have been sacked. He and United have a lot to thank a young Mark Robins for.

  23. RvPugise

    Mar 20, 2011, 13:39 #3893

    Ok, here goes. Didn't Arsene say that he has cash and will spend if players are available that are better than the ones we currently have? Are you seriously telling me that this great club cannot find better than Denilson (can't pass, tackle or shoot), Diaby (looks like the annoyingly skillful kid at school who will always lose the ball, eventually), Almunia (nuff said), Bendtner (legend in his own lunchtime yes, but he might actually be a player if AW did'nt persist in playing him as a winger), Squillaci (worse than Cygan?) and Clichy (who has become possibly the worst left back, defensively, I've seen at the club in the 30 years I've had a season ticket). Rosicky has lost it and Arshavin has spent so much time telling hinself that he is out of form that he has completely lost it too. What happened to the Arshavin and Rosicky that lit up the world stage at major tournaments? I'm not an advocate of the AKB club or the "get him out, we'd be better off with Jose" club. The bottom line is that the club DOES have money - look the accounts for god's sake. We pay more for a season ticket than anyone else and we trouser more dosh on match day than any other club in the world, bar none. Now we're facing a 6% hike on these exorbitant prices - and to watch what exactly? 5 aside played on an 11 aside pitch? Stating the bleeding obvious but the problem is it's not 5 aside or a training session. To win the premiership you need a keeper that can command the box when the ball is in the air and marshall his back four with authority. You need 2 centres back that can actually head the ball and will die for the cause. You do need holding midfielders that are not brushed aside like Song or Denilson. And you need some heart and belief, which comes from the experience of winning. So Arsene, either spend the money and strengthen where we need to or ask the board to reduce the prices. NOW is time for Wenger's "experiment" to end. It takes a far braver man to admit that they've got it wrong than to stubbornly ignore the irefutable facts that we are just not good enough.

  24. nugs

    Mar 20, 2011, 13:38 #3892

    got to agree with a few on here regarding wengers preperation and coaching methods, it seems he would prepare the same regardless of the opposition and it would it seem every player bar the keepers are coached the same regardless of their position! our defenders are good on the ball but cannot defend because i doubt they are drilled in playing together as a unit or defending set pieces hence why he showed keown the door, its totally irresponsible on wengers part, yesterday west brom managed just 2 attempts on target and low and behold they scored twice and not many gooners would have been surprised by this says it all really

  25. JEANNIE

    Mar 20, 2011, 13:21 #3890

    well Said Joe, yes it's frustrating but Wengers heart and soul is in this club. Charlie George was very complimentary about him, and Charlie is a true gooner with strong links to our club.

  26. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Mar 20, 2011, 13:12 #3889

    I don't think I deserve to be called a moron for using a bit of artistic licence when comparing AH and AW to make a point. It's called writing, it's an art form. The reason I believe that there have been no funds made available to AW is that we have sold before we bought and to be honest we sold decent players that would have been useful in the squad. Toure, Eduardo and Adebayor were sold and Gallas taken off the wage bill in order to get chamakh (free) Arshavin (15m?) and the chuckle brothers at the back squilachi and koscielny. If Anyone can prove Wenger has chosen not to spend money of his own free will then fine let's see the proof. If that can be proven then I will stop defending him. It seems to me that the board are telling him to sell before he buys and that's forced him to try and increase certain players value in order to sell them on later. They are using wenger for his coaching abilities of attacking players and trying to turn our club into what ajax have become, a production line of young talent for the big boys to buy from. If Wenger has been offered £20million and £30 million players by this joke of a board and refused them then I really want to see those documents or emails or whatever you have to back that up.

  27. Mark

    Mar 20, 2011, 13:09 #3888

    barry, i agree and i would say actually Arsene FC was established when we moved to the Emirates in 2006 and so i would like to establish with us all Arsenal FC died in 2005 all that glorious highbury culture and history went out of the window and Arsene FC was born in 2006 and none of us noticed this at the time. Arsene FC has completely different hopes and aspirations to Arsenal FC and i for one am missing Arsenal FC more and more.

  28. Stevesam

    Mar 20, 2011, 13:00 #3887

    This morning the CEO of Chavski announced that the role of the Manager who won the double last season shall be assessed at the end of the season on performance, there is the AW world and the real world.

  29. johnnyh

    Mar 20, 2011, 12:46 #3886

    the difference between wenger and the likes of ferguson and mourinho is that both of those two have the ability to pick a team and to organise tactics to get a result,particularly against a top four rival. wenger is a coach not a director,he should demand money for quality players and leave financial problems to other people at the club whose job it is to worry about these things.

  30. Theopants Superstar

    Mar 20, 2011, 12:19 #3884

    To even compare the mild criticism Wenger is getting with anything to do with Adolf Hitler means you've lost the argument before you even properly started making it. You should be embarrassed with yourself.

  31. Stevesam

    Mar 20, 2011, 11:42 #3882

    I witmessed something very strange at WBA yesterday - a tactical change,most of the 1st half Denilshit had freedom, time and space to make something happen, the Albion players concentrated on man marking Jack, Samir and Arshavin or closed them very quickly,therefore most of our play was via Denilshit. Never have I seen him with a better opportunity to prove he has the ability to dictate a game. He failed again. At half time AW made the change and put Samir where he is most influential, in the middle and moved Ramsey to the right. Has he finally lost patience with Denilshit or am I just dreaming. No doubt Denilshit shall have a mystery injury like Diaby. Needless to say the 2nd half performance was much better than the 1st. No doubt Hodgson told his players to let Denilshit have the ball and they would profit from his mistakes. Secondly, Alumnia is like a rabbit in the headlights - shit scared - why does he 'mark' the two players in front of him at every corner - is it an excuse not to challenge for the ball ? Can he organise a defence ? I have seen better goalkeepers playing on Hackney Marshes. Should we question our goalkeeping coach ?

  32. Dennis

    Mar 20, 2011, 11:00 #3881

    Fantastic article Joe. Realistic, true written clearly by a true supporter. We have some paint the moment but that's life. Those prats down the road are laughing at us and crowing whilst immortalising that idiot second hand car dealer and once they are beaten by real Madrid they will collapse won't even make 4th.

  33. George

    Mar 20, 2011, 9:02 #3875

    The AKB's are meeting at Beechy Head today to follow their deluded leader over the cliff.Why cant the AKB's see what everyone else can see.Why do they think the last 6 years were a Bobby Ewing dream? Ever heard of the song the kings new clothes? To the AKB's i ask Why didnt he buy a quality keeper in the summer? Why does he keep playing Denilshit and Diaby? Why didnt he buy a commanding CB in january? You back him to the hilt now answer them questions

  34. CD

    Mar 20, 2011, 9:00 #3874

    Another thought to your article is why do you think Wenger dispensed with Keown,s services when he was doing such an excellent job back in 2006? My guess would be that Keown was and is not a yes man, and hence Wenger could not and would not tolerate him! Wenger has surrounded himself with weak yes men, which is why his tactical nous is dire as he receives (does not want) no other input, and why his current defense is woeful. This is partly why we are so one dimensional and easily second guessed. Wenger has turned into a tinpot dictator who does believe he is the only man on the planet who knows everything, and is now so deluded with power he thinks he can continue to pull the wool over our eyes forever. In my humble view he is in for a very nasty shock very soon, because the natives are restless and once we are mathematically out of this years title race, these natives are going to let him know directly that he is merely a custodian at our club, and his time is over as we do not want him to reach ten years without winning anything (3 year contract remaining) with his tippy tappy "best squad ever" and "mental strength" fantasy. It will be an extremely rude awakening for him, as he probably simply has no idea of the current groundswell of opinion stacking up against him, probably because total power corrupts the mind and the yes men won't let him know (if they also even know), oh the irony of it!!

  35. Bergy

    Mar 20, 2011, 8:06 #3873

    Another Wenger apologist. You cannot compare Ferguson's time and Wenger's though I accept your point about "be careful what you wish for". Man U went decades of not winning anything and when Fergie took over it was much the same for the first few years. Fergie has made them successful and you tell me which Man U fan won't ask for his head if Man U went even 4 seasons trophyless? Wenger brought us success straight away, he has set the standards...and now he has fallen short of those standards. No point comparing to the dark days. When you are big, you need to maintain it...failure to do this is...failure. Regarding Van der Vaart and Sneijder and all those you mentioned. These guys were available at cut price at various points in the last 5-6 years but Wenger ignored them. It's not about money, if he can spend GBP 10m on Vermaelen, surely he can spend GBP 8m on van der Vaart. But in vdv case, we already have Cesc, Wilshere, Ramsey etc so we probably don't need him. Look at van der Sar, a world class goalkeeper all his life, was sitting at Fulham for donkey's...but Wenger ignored him and went for Lehmann. There are many examples. Lack of money has always been an excuse for us, even when we were at Hughbury. The board says we have money so why won't Wenger spend? If you say that we don't, why don't Wenger just be honest? I'm sure most of us would tolerate the current state of affairs if we knew the situation. Now we don't know who to believe, hence all sorts of theories which in the end will end up with Wenger getting the stick...and rightly so given that there is no transparency. Maybe admitting that we don't have money and that we have to put up with below-par players would demoralise the said players rather than the fans? It's all just upsetting...

  36. Gus

    Mar 20, 2011, 1:39 #3871

    RE Graham Yates: Two very interesting points you've raised there. Defensive errors have been on the rise in recent seasons although I think you may be right in them culminating at an all time high this season. As for the point on coaching, it's an interesting proposition and something I've not really considered. One might argue the player with the most outstanding amount of errors and costly blunders, Squillaci, is a seasoned player who is low on confidence and unsettled. Even Koscielny has been largely unremarkable in his debut season and we payed a reported 8.45 mill for him! Yet Djourou who has been at the club for years now has been outstanding. Certainly our decline is not due to one reason like quality of signings but I fear it is a major one. Regardless you brought up a valid point here that deserves closer thought.

  37. Lucy Van Pelt

    Mar 19, 2011, 23:51 #3870

    'Our Arsene' - you've got to be kidding... Get real, Wenger would not last six months at Madrid or any other major club. Still, it was great to witness the amazing comeback against the international football powerhouse that is WBA today, eh?

  38. Graham Yates

    Mar 19, 2011, 23:06 #3867

    If that is the case then fine, what doesn't compute is why we are making more basic errors this season than any other in recent memory. He may be hamstrung financially (which I don't believe) but AW seems to be having problems coaching the players. If so, he is irresponsible in his lack of preparation game on game with what he is currently working with. The lack of "quality" players isn't the only reason.

  39. Gazza

    Mar 19, 2011, 22:41 #3866

    can anyone answer why we have 75 players eligable for the first team squad and a wage as nearly as high as Chelsea is that wenger or the board cut that down to 40 players we would have the money to pay for the quality players we need I didn't evan know Gavin Hoyte is still on our books back on our payroll after being injured while on loan wasn't good enough 3 years ago

  40. Adams

    Mar 19, 2011, 20:48 #3864

    Silly to compare criticism of Wenger to Hitler, completely undermines your article. We all want Arsenal to win. Wenger is well paid to do that, we pay the most for our tickets, so he and the board should expect criticism when Arsenal fail to win, particularly when it is the same problems again and again. We all agree that he is a good manager but this team is a shadow of the team from 10 years ago and tactically Wenger is poor. I disagree with your comments on the financial situation - Arsenal have one of the highest wage bills in the league. It is not just about transfers but would Ferguson keep poor players? NO, he is always striving to replace players with better ones and Arsenal should be the same. Wenger did great when he joined but ask yourself this - would Wenger have signed Adams, Keown, Dixon, Winterburn, Seaman, even Bergkamp? No. Time for a change.....

  41. wenger out

    Mar 19, 2011, 20:47 #3863

    "Make no mistake, the level of vitriolic attacks that have been directed at Arsene Wenger lately have only been comparable to those made upon Adolf Hitler himself." Anyone who writes something as ridiculous as that can only be a moron. I didn't bother to read any further - a typical AKB sheep. Another pathetic performance today from a team full of losers, led by a loser. 1 point out of 6 against a team that is battling relegation. Wenger has lost the dressing room and filled the squad with flakes. The only good thing that could come from yet another collapse under this man is that it may just hasten his departure (and hopefully most of the losers with him) but with an impotent board unfortunately I cannot see that happening. Get Wenger out.

  42. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Mar 19, 2011, 20:02 #3861

    NoWe should not accept this spendthrift policy anymore. Squillaci was not bought because he is better than Gary Cahill or Phil Jagielka but because he was vastly cheaper. Yet Again with the lack of signing a world class goalkeeper we have come unstuck. Wenger needs to demand funds from the board otherwise even I will not be able to defend him next season.

  43. mark

    Mar 19, 2011, 19:54 #3860

    wenger is not restricted financially. wenger is a major shareholder, get massive wages and bonuses so now does exactly what is right for the board and the balance sheet and not for the fans. passionate managers desiring trophies put pressure on their board at 1 point or other. wenger never ever does. why ? because he has bought into the whole business plan and is making an absolute personal fortune. the board also get paid between 1.5m-2m per annum by the way. the business plan works. emirates and good marketing mean arsenal bring in 200mpa and spend most 80% of that running the place. being challengers and playing nice football keeps people coming and keeps us on TV. its working as a business and that is all they care about. todays arsene wenger will not go against the board over finances for players. he likes things just as they are.

  44. The Happening

    Mar 19, 2011, 19:48 #3859

    AW and the board share an aloofness, a liking for clean balancesheets, he's lost it football wise, i'm sorry, people need to get over this, he behaves like a board member, so let him go join them! This guy is risking the love of many an Arsenal fan believe me, saying the club needs us? What a c***! I was here before him and will be after he leaves, supporting and paying good money to watch Arsenal!

  45. mental strength needed when just plain useless

    Mar 19, 2011, 19:43 #3858

    He said: "I'm not a goalkeeper and the lads here are not goalkeepers, but you can see that the defenders and the goalkeeper at Arsenal are not as one. "We were saying before the game how a good goalkeeper will gain you so many points. "Well even for the first goal after three minutes, Almunia was too preoccupied with the people in front of him instead of just concentrating on the ball. It was shocking. "And then the second goal was a lot down to him. Yes, Sebastien Squillaci made a big mistake, but Almunia came rushing out of his box, they collide together and the ball squirmed out to Peter Odemwingie and he rolled it into an empty net. "Calamitous, absolutely calamitous. At 2-0 you're just scratching your head."

  46. foys

    Mar 19, 2011, 19:11 #3856

    dear oh dear the words gullible and mugs springs to mind

  47. Barry

    Mar 19, 2011, 18:58 #3855

    Arsenal fc not Arsene fc(est 1996) will never win the title again while this deluded man is in charge.Going into the run in with Average al in goal,Squillaci at CB and Denilshit in midfield.It beggars belief,everyone was saying we needed 3 new players in the summer a keeper a CB and a DM but Wenger knew better.He win not change because he is too fucking stubborn and we will continue to be trophyless till he finally leaves.But the AKB's brigade will still follow him over the cliff.If only we had a strong board

  48. Dan

    Mar 19, 2011, 18:37 #3854

    So do we just accept that the board have done this? It's the fact that they came out and said we will be able to compete with man u and chelsea in the transfer market, and yet we can't even compete with spurs!

  49. mark

    Mar 19, 2011, 17:06 #3849

    it took mental strength to come back from 2-0 down but what we were doing going 2-0 down in the first place to WBA i guess only loyal gooners can answer. its a fight for 4th place believe me

  50. Gus

    Mar 19, 2011, 15:24 #3848

    RE: Joe Fitzpatrick : Well you're right to say our first XI execute our style of play wonderfully well when all fit and playing together. And I agree with you almost totally. Cruyff era Holland and today's Barca execute a single plan that works flawlessly almost every time. Problem is that our original gameplan is lacking. Thus Plan A needs refinement or it needs to be followed by plans B+C. It's well documented that as a team we're very poor off the ball. Barca show remarkable compactness and press so well they make it look easy. If that is what we want to achieve for our only gameplan so be it. But Denilson, Diaby etc, we all agree hold us down. They are dreadful signings and regardless of how cheap the were they shouldn't have been bought. So maybe we should adjust tactics to each team we play rather than have a single gameplan. Barca lost to Inter last season because Jose adjusted his gameplan accordingly. ManUre do the same against us, Dalglish played 3 CB's vs Chelsea. Isn't better for usto adjust also?

  51. rrr

    Mar 19, 2011, 13:53 #3847

    bruce rioch bought db10 to the club not aw...well done widge yet another jcl, who only knows life under aw

  52. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Mar 19, 2011, 13:05 #3846

    To answer the question about tactics. I must concede that Wenger seems to have a plan A and only a plan A and only ever really had that same Plan A. When Walcott and Nasri were playing better earlier this year and getting in behind defenses more often with a bit of pace onto inch perfect Arshavin and Fabregas passes we looked more like the old Arsenal (under Wenger) and were spanking teams 5-0 and 4-1 etc no one was complaining then. I would argue that its hard to make these Tactics work when Bendtner's first touch is longer than some of Paul Scholes' Passes and when Denilson plays central midfield but thinks hes playing Rugby and only passes backwards. The Tactics of Wenger seem to work a lot Better when he has the quality players on the pitch. If you look at my article again you will notice that I would like to see a fresh pair of eyes in as a number 2 so that we could work on a plan B and C as we clearly desperately need to when we get our regular injuries to Cesc, Nasri, Walcott and Van Persie. I am sick of the deadwood like all of you and want Wenger to clear out the dross and the board to make quality replacements available with what is essentially our money anyway. If anyone out there thinks we could seriously get £8million for Diaby I say great! I'd sell him for whatever we could get for him. Then again, thinking about it Barcelona now and the old Dutch team with Cruyff only had one way of playing and it didnt hurt them too much, the only difference being they have and did have a whole squad capable of playing Total Football. I was crying out years ago for Wenger to snap up Sneidjder, Van der Vaart and Huntelaar when Real madrid were clearing out all of their Dutch players. but what do I know? My opinion is only as valid as each of yours.

  53. karim

    Mar 19, 2011, 13:02 #3845

    Mr.Haran I am ready to give you 2000 pounds if Wenger wins even the Carling Cup next year of for that matter the year after that.Wake up you deluded AKB guys,many people believe he will win nothing at all again with Arsenal

  54. Sheriff

    Mar 19, 2011, 12:37 #3844

    Another AKB...Im not even goin to read past the first paragraph

  55. HowardL

    Mar 19, 2011, 12:15 #3841

    It really is a complex decision - has AW lost his insight and ability or is he just constrained by insufficient funds? Whatever the outcome, Arsene Wenger does deserve our greatest respect for the success he has brought and the level to which he has raised Arsenal FC. The real question now is whether he can do it again? Finally, a word in praise of all contributors to this website - how on earth did we express these sorts of feelings pre-fanzines, Internet and especially the Online Gooner. I think otherwise I might spontaneously combust under the internal pressure of arguments and counter-arguments! The only unquestionale fact which comes out of all this is that we now must get behind the team 100%.

  56. GLENN

    Mar 19, 2011, 11:38 #3838

    A good post and was about to add my piece than i read CD'S 4236 post great comments CD just what i was going to say so uve saved me time. I would add regarding paying our putting it politely squad players that are not good enough over £50k a week is the way we aquire these players in the first place we pay way over the odds in wages to get them to the club thus creating a rod for our own back for when they get into the first team. Apart from that let's all hope for 3 points today and see some of this mental strength he say's that this team has in abundance.

  57. Tony

    Mar 19, 2011, 11:07 #3836

    The plain truth is that at an other big club in Europe Wenger would have been sacked for what he has done in the last 6years

  58. 11211goonuh

    Mar 19, 2011, 10:43 #3835

    stop all these apologetics. they really have no use except one, calming pro-Wengerites' fan consciousness.

  59. widge

    Mar 19, 2011, 10:26 #3834

    hear! hear! Well said that man, a lot of gooners seem to forget just what AW has done for this club. I'm not an AKB but he certainly knows better than 99% of managers, pundits and fans. To see TH14 and DB10 in Arsenal shirts is reason enough to give AW a long long contract IMO.

  60. Joe

    Mar 19, 2011, 10:16 #3833

    Doesnt explain the shit style of non urgent non threatening football we play. He knows how to win he's on his own little experiment which hasn't won anything. Remember Ipswitch away? Vastly more possession than them but they had more. If Wenger is such a genius shy can't he see that you won't win anything when you pass instead of shoot. It's not the players deciding to play all this slide rule geometry pass instead of shoot midget football and we didn't play like that last time we won anything.

  61. Danish gooner

    Mar 19, 2011, 10:11 #3832

    I dont mind losing ,it is the way we lose that is unacceptable.In a perfect world we would win every game but i am not plastic,i have overseen some horrible inept displays in the early eighties and lived with them.It is this passionless surrender that gets my blood boiling and the constant refusal to learn and undertand from the defeats.If i had a penny for every time i have heard Wenger say,we will learn from our defeat i would be a rich man.If i had a penny for every time i have heard Wenger say,we have mental strength i would be the worlds richest man.This contant blame someone else is getting ridicilous,like when Wenger said we lost in very special circumstances at the Nou Camp,wake up !!! we didnt register a single shot on goal the only special about that is that we didnt get stuffed bigger.This constant denial gets on my tits and is very detrimental to our cause,own up for christ sake !!!

  62. searchs

    Mar 19, 2011, 9:58 #3829

    Lovely post. I think loads of fans who complain fail to put things in proper perspective and this perspective should be the baseline for every gunner. Come to think of it, not every club will be in 4 competitions at the start of the season and still be in it till March. Agreed we should have at least won the Carling cup but we still got to the final -which contributes something to our finances. This contributes to the financial state and subsequent financial freedom that we will experience once we are debt free indeed. When Wneger paid £15 million for Antonio Reyes - what was the highest fee paid by Sir Alex for anyone in his squad?.....I reckon with the catalogue of injuries to ManU and more difficult games coming (especially against Chelsea - 3 games!)...I think we have a chance to win the last 10 games while ManU -write this down can only win 7 -I am sure of this and the end of May is my judge.... Thanks for the post it's the proper view

  63. CD

    Mar 19, 2011, 9:36 #3827

    It makes a change for someone to come on this site and defend Wenger, in a well written article with some good points and I congratulate you Joe for that. However I do not agree with your thrust of the article for the reasons I will give. Firstly look at our accounts in depth and you will see the repayments on our new stadium are easily surfaced by our income. In fact this outlay is a very small percentage of our outgoings, and is simply now no different to a mortgage which is well below actual income multiples deemed sensible by the financial industry and hence Wenger is not handicapped by this today. In addition just look at the cash reserve figure, which is almost identical to the actual balance outstanding on our mortgage itself!! This is not a set of accounts where the manager is strapped for cash to purchase better players than his current deadwood squad players. In addition these deadwood players believe it or not would fetch a tidy sum (I know that is hard to believe) and players like Van De Vaart could easily have been purchased by selling for example Diaby for the same outlay and hence Wenger would not have spent a penny but aquired a far superior player and disposed of a lazy overpaid one to boot! In addition why do we have such a vast wage bill, when the majority of these players do not warrant earning circa £50K+ per week? What exactly have Diaby, Denilson, Bendtner etc done to be earning the same level of income as players from other clubs here and around Europe whom have sack loads of winner's medals to prove they warrant such income's. Who sanctioned these wages? My view is Wenger did and how could he possibly defend such a decision. So if as you believe Wenger is restricted financially whose fault would that be? Another point is what has money got to do with his one dimensional tactics? I use the word tactics loosely because surely even you Joe would have to admit that Wenger has handicapped his own chances of sucess by his dreadful ability in this dept? That is before we even go to our make up of players whom are all clones of each other and which lack an attitude of "over my dead body" will we lose today. I can go on and list a lot more about Wenger's current shortcommings and that is the word-current! Wenger was once an out and out visionary winner whom we all simply want back. The one who brought us players with steel and determination like Vieira, Petit, Cole, Lauren, Edu, Campbell, Llungberg and Grimandi who complemented the GG players with the same true "mental strength" whom I do not need to list as they are all legends. Wenger was once a winner but now all we have is his tippy tappy football which is good enough to get us into a position to challenge but in the must win games we are allways out fought and out thought and that is down to todays Wenger. In summary I think Joe that like me you hanker after the old Wenger, but I fear sadly he no longer exists and hence your robust defense of him is well meant, but I feel you need to let go of him as he is not the man he once was, and you are making excuses for him which are not valid.

  64. KSA gooner

    Mar 19, 2011, 9:19 #3826

    Man I don't know you but I love, I've been saying that from a long time, even if AW still got the money it'd be risky to buy players like Chel$ki do, we still got debts to pay, once we're done with it then you can ask AW why he doesn't pay. Besides, AW is the main reason why we're a huge club nowadays, he's the reason we got the new stadium, he's the reason of our beautiful football that no one else can play like except Barca, so piss off glory hunters if you want trophies go support Manure, afterall they got most of the refs in their pockets.

  65. ClockEndRider

    Mar 19, 2011, 9:18 #3825

    Alleluia. At last a grown up with an adults perspective. Nice one Joe. And for all those with short memories who keep on calling for Dein to come back, one of the reasons we are in the position we are is because of the poor commercial revenues, compared to United. At the same time Ferguson was building the club there, The Edwardes were monetising their huge fan base providing the manager with the profits to spend on players. This simply wasn't done by Dein despite him being at the club since 1982. Sometimes, Dein acolytes, the truth hurts.

  66. fozzys mate

    Mar 19, 2011, 9:09 #3824

    I agree that this weeks personal attacks on mr Weng were concentrated far too much on one man. That is why in my article 'the multi ownership/trousering model" I concentrated on the overall situation created by our current greedy and complacent board. The reason we moved was to fill their pockets and in an extremely stubborn manager determined not to compromise they have the perfect ally. I agree since the demise of his oppo Mr Dein his biggest crime. Is surrounding himself with yes men, chiefly Pat Rice and Gazidis. If not challenged from above or below his legacy will be lost which will be a crying shame. However you have swallowed club propaganda re the true extent of the constraints. We have two billionaires as our major shareholders with Usmanov widely reported as richer than Abramovich. Notice the old fart and mates brought 'ronke on board as he was happy to trouser dough rather than spend it. Usmanov said he would spend his own money on players but this was rejected. Too many fans have fallen for the holier than though the club can do no wrong theory and that they should be so grateful to see our wonderful team. What AW needs is to challenge himself and the players who have followed him into the comfort zone. The time for consolidation is over. If we want to be rich but trophyless we will continue this way. What as a club do we want, a rich board and bulging bank balance or to see our great team once again regularly winning things. When the 2 biggest shareholders have a combined wealth of 5-10 billion talk of going bust is ridiculous.

  67. Haran

    Mar 19, 2011, 9:02 #3823

    Absolutely. Wenger is the best manager in the world. He will win every silverware next season and will shut the mouth of people who complains

  68. Goonerdad

    Mar 19, 2011, 8:56 #3822

    Fantastic article...puts it all in perspective.

  69. evana

    Mar 19, 2011, 8:50 #3821

    That was absolute insightful i wouldnt agree more

  70. Liam Brady ate my dinner

    Mar 19, 2011, 8:38 #3820

    There is a clear split within the followers of this great club and it is not even along the lines of 'newish supporter' against older' long time 'supporter. For those that waited many years for success and have knowledge of the cyclic nature of clubs being at the top may have a more long term vision of how we will come again, and newer supporters may be of the we want it and we want it now generation. It is not even fair to say recent booing is something new, it happened in the 70s when we were going through a poor spell yet again. I have no doubt at all that the board have sanctioned extraordinary contracts for young players in the belief that Wenger would make them in to superstars, and it has nearly worked. Unfortunately some appear to be going backwards, and those on the bench do not have enough games to settle in and perform. We have had our fair share of luck this year result wise, and bad luck injury wise but still hang in there for the league. So is this because of Wenger's foresight and planning or just because all the teams around us are dropping points as well? As with all things football there are a million views and opinions so it is difficult to polarise into the Arsene knows or Arsene out groups. I personally agree that the club is posturing about the amount of money to spend, but will make money available if Wenger REALLY believes that one player will make a significant difference. I think the defence is in reasonable condition when all are back, but we lack speed and incisiveness up front, even Van Persie is not the messiah some make him out to be. Wenger clearly has a blind spot where goalkeepers are concerned, but he has brought so many good players to the club in other areas that you can nearly forgive him for that. The abuse he has taken from other clubs supporters is well recorded, and for him to be taking abuse from our own supporters is a sad situation. People have short memories on all that has been achieved under financial restrictions. I would think that if 2011-2012 brings no rewards the pressure on the board will cause some movement in the management team, but clearly as long as Lady Nina whatshername can't sell her shares to anyone, the status quo may remain.

  71. Gus

    Mar 19, 2011, 8:36 #3819

    I appreciate AW has, quite remarkably, kept us in the CL for a few seasons now with a list of awful players at his disposal. But he should've never have signed them in the first place. I honestly don't how much AW has to do with micromanaging with the clubs finances but I know the board are shadowy misers. There isn't 40 mill to spend every window, we all know that's a lie. BUT YOU FAIL TO POINT JUST ONE THING OUT. Tactics. AW is guilty of playing possession play football when our greatest success is on a direct counter attacking style. It's not to do with the wider pitch at Emirates. How did we beat Barca at home? The change in style IS AW's fault and he must now make amends and revert back to what we do best. We don't have enough players beyond the XI to play tippy tappy. Sort it out Wenger!

  72. Pete

    Mar 19, 2011, 8:35 #3818

    I'm not sure you cab draw the arsenal / man u parallels as you have done. George Graham had won cups and Wenger inherited a better team than Ferguson who had to rebuild and change the whole man u culture from the bottom to the top there are probably only a small handful of managers who could do better than Wenger and yes success and available funds in the transfer market are key critical getting the right culture and young/old balance in a club is another importance challenge to crack There will be a tipping point when the excuses of payment for a new stadium need to stop. Arsenal is a club in one of the most prosperous cities in the world. Perhaps it needs a full audit of how it operates from top to bottom, playing side, supporter engagement, commercial side etc

  73. ray turner

    Mar 19, 2011, 8:30 #3817

    great post - the mans a genius

  74. Gooner-in-Provence

    Mar 19, 2011, 8:30 #3816

    @Joe, good article, nothing to add!