Cup finals under Wenger

Refections on Arsene’s showpiece performances



Cup finals under Wenger

2005 – Not much silver polish used since


(Ed’s note – This was submitted in the week after Arsenal’s recent visit to Wembley, and I have finally got the chance to run it as things are a little quieter on the AFC front with the international break.)

We have appeared in nine cup finals under Arsene Wenger and probably underperformed in at least five of those. We don't seem to approach them as a one-off game and merely try to play our normal game. It is of course not a normal match and the opposition raise their game while we seem to lack real passion on most of those occasions. We have shown that passion in home games against Chelsea and Barcelona this season but it was sadly lacking when we visited Wembley in late February.

We performed well in two FA Cup finals, against Newcastle and Chelsea. Two of Arsene’s finals - in the FA Cup against Liverpool and League Cup against Chelsea - we had periods of dominating the game before surrendering leads and losing. Galatasaray was a poor performance in which we could not raise our game against poor opposition. The FA Cup win against Southampton was laboured and the win against Man U was fortunate to say the least. Facing Barcelona of course we were handicapped with Lehmann's early sending off but fought gallantly until succumbing to defeat late in the game. We must have been favourites in all those games bar Barcelona and been at least evens with Man U. Won four, lost five, not a good return considering if we had played to 75% of our ability we would have won at least three more of those finals, a statistic which should have reflected our ability. I certainly felt Wenger was over cautious in some of those early finals but not in the later ones.

It is pretty obvious we are not going to win by just passing the opposition to death. You use your superior ability but mix that with urgency and passion. Nasri is a world class player but clearly did not fancy mixing it with the opposition in the Carling Cup Final. I am not picking on Nasri but merely using that as an example to illustrate how opposing teams raise their game and find that extra determination. We have the skill but need to add determination to be first to every ball. To give the opposition that feeling that there will be two or three Arsenal players breathing down their neck every time they have the ball. That is how Birmingham managed to stay with us so long when on ability we should have been out of sight.

We cannot have any real complaint about the result in that final. It is our fault for leaving the game in the balance for so long. Once again we knew that a shot out of the blue or in this case a massive error could beat us. Szczesny clearly shouted for the ball and should take the lion’s share of the blame. Had he stayed on his line for the first goal I don't think Birmingham would have scored. As he came out he should have cleared but got nowhere near the ball. Great goalkeepers are measured by how few mistakes they make rather than the saves. I still think he can be Arsenal's number 1, but there are not many mistakes bigger than one which loses a final. It is all irrelevant now but Birmingham were looking out on their feet. Several of their players were clearly tired suffering from cramp but of course we did not reach extra time.

Just a couple of footnotes which irritated me, being such a bad loser. Bowyer feigning injury and getting Koscielny booked. He clearly did not make contact with Bowyer who held his shins as though he had been caught with an over the top tackle. Why can't retrospective action be taken against players when the evidence is conclusive? Also the Birmingham player who slapped Koscielny on the head after their winner. Totally out of order. Again why can't action be taken? If it had happened in normal play off the ball and the referee had seen it he would have been sent off.

And then there’s the thousands of Arsenal fans who left when Birmingham scored. I was as sick as a parrot, but when you support your team there are more disappointments than victories. There were still four minutes to go. Support means that - win or lose not just in good times.


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  1. chris dee

    Mar 25, 2011, 15:32 #4091

    Dear Gus, You are correct.It's not a drought unless you are a Barca,United,Real Madrid etc.You know,a top club. Nothing wrong with wanting us to be a top club,I would hope all the clubs supporters,manager,players and members of the board feel the same. You know the old cliche first is first and second is nowhere,couldn't agree more.

  2. Terry

    Mar 25, 2011, 15:03 #4090

    Augustus and other AKB's you cant see that it will be too late to complain at the end of the season.The title will be on the way to Old Trafford.What Gooners like you dont realise is Wenger settles for a top 4 finish every season.If that is achieved he is happy with that.So are the board.How are things going to get better with Wenger in charge?We have gone from the Invincibles to the Also rans.Sad but true

  3. AugustusCaesar

    Mar 25, 2011, 14:16 #4089

    Chris Dee - You strike me as someone who'd still moan if we won the league, wondering why we're not winning the Champions League as well. And if we won that wondering why we're not winning it the year after and year after that. It's hardly a drought mate. Just get behind the team until the end of the season, that's all I ask. Save the post-mortem until then.

  4. chris dee

    Mar 25, 2011, 10:52 #4087

    Dear Gus, Thank you for proving a point. It's not only the club that has settled for being 'quite succesful' but many fans as well. Negativity? Your right spot on.Some have accepted the club never reaching the highest achievements that a club like ours should be attaining. Spoilt as a child? Yep spot on again! My dad always drummed it into me that the Arsenal were the best club in the world. Care more than you do? No I dont.A different perpective?Totally,again you are 100% correct.

  5. loksta

    Mar 25, 2011, 9:38 #4086

    if an arsenal player had feigned injury or hit an opposition player in the head while celebrating a goal, let me reassure you, the FA would have taken action against them, and the media would be calling for their execution.

  6. mark

    Mar 25, 2011, 9:25 #4085

    I think a managerial team of Frank Rijkaard and tony admams and dennis berkhamp as assistants should be considered. we have been abused as fans by an emperor figure with far too much power and no management team around him and a board that is lining its pockets and does not care if we do not win any trophies.

  7. AugustusCaesar

    Mar 25, 2011, 8:42 #4084

    ChrisDee - Man U lost a league cup final to Sheffield Wednesday when they were untouchable and Wednesday were on the cusp of spiralling in to administration. A few years ago but it happens. You can't always get what you want as Mick Jagger once said. Just pi$s off with your negativity, it's fu*king suffocating. No one likes to lose a cup final. No wants wants to come second. You don't care anymore than the rest of us because you don't 'settle for second best', you just have a different perspective on things. Our time will come again, maybe this season, stop flapping around because you can't get your own way. Were you spoilt as a child by any chance?

  8. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Mar 25, 2011, 3:39 #4081

    King Gooner, I'm pretty sure that Jack Wilshere saw what Barry Ferguson did, you can clearly see Jack arguing with Ferguson after the event. Having said that, why it was left to a 19 year old to sort out points to a lack of fight in the side, even when it comes to standing up for their own. I could roll out the same names from the past four decades that would have dropped Ferguson right on his clacker but that's not relevant to the current team because Jack aside (and maybe a really off - tap RVP) that type of character seems to be at odds with the "classical" team currently being produced. The best summary I could give about cup final teams and "bottle" is that Brazil 1970 winning team - artists aplenty but each and every one was a hard bastard too...

  9. Mar 24, 2011, 22:54 #4078

    Mark says: "Since 1996 when Wenger took over Arsenal we have been to 9 finals and won just 4." (44% success). However, in the 45 years previous to that, by my reckoning, Arsenal played in 14 final of which we won 7 and lost 8 (46%). So, a much lower proportion of finals reached pre-Wenger and only a marginally better success rate. I'm not defending Wenger particularly but I have to point out that AFC have been serial Cup Final failures for more than half a century. Swindon, West Ham, Ipswich, Zaragoza? And that was true when we had far better players than Denilson, Diaby, Bendtner and Almunia.

  10. mark

    Mar 24, 2011, 20:16 #4075

    overall guys we pretty much all agree as to where we are at today and none of us are very happy about it and rightly so.i think houllier is a bit like wenger and you can see houlier aint a patch on martin o neil who is a winner and a fighter. hmmm martin o neil. i quite like him...

  11. Mark

    Mar 24, 2011, 19:55 #4074

    Since 1996 when Wenger took over Arsenal we have been to 9 finals and won just 4.In the same period Man Utd have been to 10 finals and WON 7 and Chelsea have been to 12 finals and WON 9!!!.As has been said Wenger is a serial loser in finals

  12. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Mar 24, 2011, 17:27 #4071

    I would love to see how the cup final record could be improved by us being able to afford £30MILLION flops like Juan Sebastian Veron and Andrei Shevchenko and then STILL have cash to burn in the Transfer market. But that's just a dream... for now at least.

  13. chris dee

    Mar 24, 2011, 15:01 #4069

    Dear Gus. A mixed bag? Nah! I don't think you would have bet against United or Chelsea beating Birmingham,but would have thought twice about betting a quid on our mentally tough lads. As supporters we must stop accepting being 'quite successful' otherwise the club we love dearly will not progress to the level we believe it deserves.

  14. Kev G

    Mar 24, 2011, 13:22 #4065

    Arsene is a bit of a serial runner up full stop. I'd like to see him change tack a bit next season. The 4-3-3 is leaking a goal a game easily and there are too many players being carried in the squad. The frist XI is top notch but once one is injnured another 3 or 4 follow. As for the CC Final... The team turned up in their tracksuits listening to their IPods like it was a training exercise. Birmingham turn up with suits etc like it was a cup final - like they cared for the occasion. This complacency unfortunately lies with the manager. He is the one who has to convince them and motivate to do well. There is no fear factor with the players. If they make serial blunders the manager says nothing. There has to be an element of "oh Sh1t the gaffer is gonna nail me if I stuff up again" I agree with the poster who says 4-4-2 is the way to go. Look at United, they've been 4-4-2 since forever and are successful. This myth of having a holding midfielder is ridiculous. All the Central midfielders have a duty to both defend and attack in equal measure

  15. AugustusCaesar

    Mar 24, 2011, 12:43 #4064

    So in conclusion....? A mixed bag? A bit like most other big clubs then. We played very, very well against Liverpool and were unlucky not to win that game and played well in the Carling cup final against Chelsea and were maybe a bit unlucky there. But we did get plenty of luck versus Man U. I don't know what I'm trying to say really.

  16. lance (south africa)

    Mar 24, 2011, 11:22 #4062

    100% correct chriss dee. the fans deserve more than to be teased every week. why is wenger blinded by denilson , diaby , bendtner , aluminia. song is only good against the weak teams. need a new coach , centrback , holding midfielder , back up goalie and hungry finisher.maybe let bergkamp take on the coaching role.

  17. king gooner

    Mar 24, 2011, 11:11 #4061

    the brum player who slapped /patted kozzers head after that incident was none other than that classless,jock c**t barry ferguson-if did that in an amateur game he'd have been decked.once a low life,always a lowlife...another thought..the gg back four would have had him "sorted"in the remaining 4 mins-then again he wouldn't have had the balls to try it with them ,would he?

  18. Colin

    Mar 24, 2011, 9:45 #4058

    Fans leaving 4 mins before the end nothing new.Just take a look around the E******* with 10 mins to go.Its like the club is our testing a fire alarm.Thats the type of fans we now have.Daytrippers As for the finals.Only the Man Utd final did Wenger set out with a game plan.That was defend defend defend hope the keeper has the game of his life(which Lehmann did) and pray we win on penalties.That was a miracle win which 99 times out of a 100 we would have lost.The Birmingham and Galatasary finals were two we thought we just had to turn up to win.But as you say 4 wins in 9 finals is a pretty poor record.But Wenger has a habit of finishing runner up

  19. dan

    Mar 24, 2011, 9:27 #4057

    Utterly Disillusioned - the veil has lifted from mine eyes. That record is atrocious, and all those losses I remeber at teh time thinking "why" - it's because he cannot adopt simple bloody tactics. Currently I really don't know why we persist with that ridiculous 4-3-3 formation which has bought us nothing but poor defending, and a new breed of football called "tippytappynevershootycannotcopewithtacticslosey". If we are so good going forward, then why don't we play 4-4-2 and go for the knackers every time - I think it would scare the crap out of our opponents and we would start playing to our strengths and burying sides. I also think 4-4-2 gives a more natural shape nad defensive solidity, as long as your No10 can do some work and drop back (RVP=perfect) I really think Wenger has been exposed as a bit of a fraud. If he'd not had GGs defence and team spirit to build on and the luck of getting Vieira, I don't think he'd have lasted as long as he did. And putting people like Almunia and Fabianski between the posts is just the icing on the cake - I think Arsene is in for a shock, because really loyal ultra patient fans (of which I am one) are starting to feel cheated and conned I wish Dein hadn't left..........

  20. Jimmy The Gooner of Norbury

    Mar 24, 2011, 9:27 #4056

    Oliver Chessis, thats the new breed of Arsenal fan our club has sought to bring in. They leave early, they make sure they finish their Martini's at half time before sitting down for the 2nd half. The JCL's are a disgrace.

  21. chris dee

    Mar 24, 2011, 9:21 #4055

    I was one of those thousands who left when Birmingham scored and I would do it again.We,as supporters, had already been kicked in the balls at Newcastle,at Sunderland and at home to Spurs and WBA,together with other passionless, souless displays at Ipswich,Braga and Orient. Here was a chance after 5 years, of giving the fans the joy of winning a trophy that could lead to more glory.And what happenned? We didn't turn up,we went through the motions,we lacked heart,we lacked an in built ruthlessness we lacked the very thing Arsene laughlingly says we have, mental toughness.(Arsene must enjoy taking the piss out of the supporters).So yeah, I was a little upset with our precious players.Should I have stayed behind and given them a hard luck clap and say never mind we did our best? B******s!We keep saying we are a big club,we are not.United,Barca,Real Madrid etc would not accept constant failure for 6 years in a row but the guardians of our club do.Analyse till your blue in the face but we are still, in Evra's words, boys playing against men. And by the way I love the club as much as you do,that's why I don't accept being second best.Top clubs don't 'consolidate' or 'rebuild' or have a project, top clubs win things.

  22. Oliver Chessis

    Mar 24, 2011, 9:08 #4054

    "And then there’s the thousands of Arsenal fans who left when Birmingham scored. I was as sick as a parrot, but when you support your team there are more disappointments than victories. There were still four minutes to go. Support means that - win or lose not just in good times." Spot on...some of our fans need a real wake up call.

  23. Post Rocky Dave

    Mar 24, 2011, 8:48 #4053

    I think we played really well in the cup final of 2001, notwithstanding a late concentration lapse, Stephane Henchoz' arms and some convenient non-officiating.

  24. Deejay

    Mar 24, 2011, 7:45 #4052

    You right of course. I don't usualy use 4 letter words, but bowyer and scum go together