Every player must be fully committed to the cause

Would Arsenal be short changed by Nasri playing out his contract?



Every player must be fully committed to the cause

Cesc: If the price is right…


Can somebody explain to me why when Arsenal come knocking clubs insist they want over and above what a player is worth but when clubs come sniffing around our talent they want to tell us what they will or won't pay. Barcelona are at it again, "We won't pay £35m for Fabregas, he's not worth that much". Well f**k off then, if I'm selling something and you don't think it's worth what I'm asking, don't buy it. Also don't have the bare faced cheek to go around telling people how much you want him and that he will be yours if you have no intention of meeting the asking price.

Sooner or later we must man up and tell other clubs that our stars are not for sale and tell our players to sign up, shut up or get out. If Nasri doesn't want to play for us sell him but to a club and for an amount that suits us. The same goes for Cesc. If we are to put up with this crap every summer I'd rather sell him.

We had the same with Henry and Vieira and I'm getting sick of it. If we are to continue to insist we are a big club we must reassert some control over the club and our players. No player is bigger than the club so anyone who wants away should be sold to the highest bidder. This type of player power has to stop and until a high profile club stands up to them it will never change.

A fully committed Aaron Ramsey is a far better bet than a "I'll see the last season of my contract out and go for free" Nasri. Maybe if we tell Nasri he won't be first choice for the whole of next season, which ends with a major international championship he might make his mind up to stay or go. Either way a positive answer is better than watching him go through the motions next season as happened in Henry's last season at the club.

It is essential that every player who takes the field for our club is fully committed to the cause and does not have their eye on a lucrative move to pastures new while short changing us on the pitch. As usual this transfer window has been torture for us Gooners. Why can't we take a leaf out of Man U's book? When Blackburn said they'd undervalued Phil Jones, Man U matched the new valuation to get the player they wanted. Nickel and diming will not win you championships. Sometimes you have to push the boat out to get what you want. Unless we speculate we will never accumulate, paying that little bit extra to bring in proven winners with quality and experience is the way to go.

If you believe what you read, we're stalling on the Gervinho deal because we want to pay £10.6m and they want £14m but we're looking to pay £12m for Oxlade-Chamberlain who is an unknown quantity? Putting sell on value in front of winning trophies doesn't make sense to me unless our aim is to be seen as a club that polishes up rough diamonds so that the premier clubs of Europe can wear them in their crowns.

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  1. Mick Appleton

    Jul 01, 2011, 7:51 #9321

    Baron 39, I think Arsene got Cesc to agree to one more year last summer & I think we are just holding out for the right fee before selling, the same seems likely with Nasri too but I'm not sure how much of a loss it is if they are not commited to the club. Nasri's seems purely money related, I expect Man City will offer him a ridiculous salary in the region of £180k per week, which is surprising, especially if you consider he's had only one half of a good season from the 3 seasons we've had him. There are virtually no one club men left in football so it's very difficult to put much store in loyalty when a player is kissing the badge one week then threatening to leave the next. I think the best we can hope for is 100% commitment on the pitch when they play. With regard to signings, I don't often have any admiration for Fergison but where transfers are concerned they rarely fail to secure their target, the 3 they have signed so far will all strengthen their squad. I wish we would be that decisive but I see Arsene is saying not much will happen before the end of July, so it looks like another 4 weeks of torture for the Gooner faithful. If we get the players we've been linked with we could go close next year even without Cesc & Nasri but will we spend the cash, I have my doubts.

  2. The Baron39

    Jun 30, 2011, 12:06 #9288

    Dear Mick, Thank you for your response and you are absolutely right you did indeed include all those points in your article. Which I really enjoyed reading. Although I'm used to it, I'm finding Arsenal's ever increasing diffculty to conclude a deal with any semblence of 'haste' concerning. OR after Utd's humiliation in the C/L final Red Nose resorted to panic buying and Wenger doesn't need to resort to that. I'm not sure. In relation to your article and player loyalty I also feel that the Club could recipricate some of that 'loyalty vibe' too with an "Our captain is not for sale no matter what the offer is" statement. Regardless of what we know the players feelings are. A token attempt at least to show Arsenal place more than just a monetary value on him? (If indeed they do!) Although Wenger may have stated this recently to be fair, dunno what you think?

  3. Ron

    Jun 28, 2011, 14:01 #9228

    Very good posts on here, inc the original post. The trouble with the Fabs fiasco is that he has manipulated a position that he ll leave but only to Barca. Hes denied Arsenal the chance to set up a bidding war. I'd have been happy to sell him to Chelsea for top cash in all honesty. He wont recapture his best years for Arsenal playing for them. I think such has been the workload put upon him by Wenger and having to carry so much sub standard dross for so many years, that there is burn out in there with him. If he wants out then he shd be told its fine, but your going to the highest bidder. So damned weak kneed are Arsenal with him. Regarding Jack, sadly i suspect its a case of 'when' Wenger lets him down not 'if'. 'Moose Gooner' is bang on.He ll maybe look accross the Channel or maybe even up the M6 in a year or so if nothing changes. As for Nasri. Its known on here that i dont like the bottling poser. What the f--- has that lightweight nancy boy ever done to demand a look at what Arsenal are doing with buys before he signs? Half a season. Thats what. F--- oF Nasri you deluded fairy footed clown. Go sit on Manures bench where you belong.

  4. Mick Appleton

    Jun 28, 2011, 8:39 #9205

    In reply to The Baron 39, I didn't say we are the only ones who are asked to pay inflated prices simply they we are asked to while being told by other clubs that they won't pay our asking price for our players. Also I said we should pay extra to get what we need, in recent seasons we have been close to signing Alonso, Schwartzer & Samba but have refused to pay what was asked and that may have cost us at least 2 trophies. Arsene's stubborness is definitely a problem but if the rumours are to be believed we are trying to sign top players this summer but now our wage structure is causing problems. Unfortunately we have been running within the new FIFA rules for the last few years which will put us at a disadvantage even when it kicks in for everyone else.

  5. bunch

    Jun 28, 2011, 2:01 #9204

    If Nasri won't sign extend his contract, sell him abroad. If he doesn't want to sign for Roma or whoever, he should be threatened with the bench for the season.

  6. AFCasap

    Jun 27, 2011, 21:32 #9203

    what cause??? wenger has said coming 4th is success....there is no one kicking arse anywhere in this club while he is in charge....he panders to his failures cause the ego maniac thinks they are his best squad...."why are the long list of losers still at the club"....this club is alaughing stock....it is not run well...the only thing they do right is rip off fans with pure contempt....he would'nt know a good player from eboue....if it was'nt for the injurie,s wilshere and chesney would have been out on loan!!!

  7. chrisy boy

    Jun 27, 2011, 21:12 #9202

    fully agree with this article, and if we are to believe the stories coming out of the club today that we are willing to sell cesc if the price is right, then lets see if wenger and the board have the balls to stand up to barca and only accept the correct value for our want away skipper, recent transfers include £16 million for ashley young , cesc is worth more, £24 million for darren bent, cesc is worth more, £35 million for andy carrol, cesc is worth more, so i would put the current value judged on those transfers at around £38 million lets see if we are going to stand up and not be bullied or roll over like a lap dog. This is a big summer for wenger, if he ****s up in the transfer window and we lose 3 or 4 early games then i cant see any alternative than fan power making the decision for the board in regards to wengers future, i realy do hope things go well for us, i would like nothing more than for wenger to prove to us he was right all along.

  8. Kevin

    Jun 27, 2011, 20:38 #9201

    Would our best players want to leave if we were winning trophies,if we were signing world class players instead of being cheapskates and signing bargin basement players.Cesc and Nasri dont need money they are minted.If Cesc goes to Barca he is guarenteed trophies the same goes with Nasri at Man utd.The blame for everything that is going wrong at our club is Mr Magoo Wenger and his crazy project

  9. Och Aye the Noo its me again siralex

    Jun 27, 2011, 19:31 #9199

    och aye arsene wee signed our 3rd top player today when we got a proper spanish goalkeep to join us. thats a top goalkeeper, centre half and winger/attacker that ive got hold of so far and were the champions and the CL finalists !

  10. Aaron

    Jun 27, 2011, 18:34 #9198

    We need to appoint a club captain that wants to fight for the club, not look at us as a stepping stone (Vieira, Henry, Fabregas). Vermaelen for captain and sell Fabregas if the price is right. As for Nasri, it sounds like he wants market rate, it's Arsenal who are dragging their heels penny pinching on wages and letting his contract reach 1 year left. Typical mismanagement from the recent regime

  11. steve tulett

    Jun 27, 2011, 18:34 #9197

    i feel the same as you mate im ****ed off with billy big bollocks walking all over us and arsen trying to lick there arse.if they dont want to stay, say so and **** off.may be (dare i say it) but buy some british players for a change.not that arsen has a good track record there?would love to see cesc and nazri with us next season but make your minds up so we can get on with what we need to do.

  12. clockendpaul

    Jun 27, 2011, 18:16 #9196

    Can't believe that useless c*** of a left back is going to get a new contract, when are they going to learn that some of these players are simply not as good as they think they are! The same mistakes are made over and over, wenger has to go for anything to change

  13. Pep up

    Jun 27, 2011, 17:29 #9195

    Cesc - 45m minumum. Nasri - sign or in the reserves. Oh, and sack the manager.

  14. Mark

    Jun 27, 2011, 16:39 #9194

    supporting arsenal is really hard graft these days. a board and manager who dont care about the fans and make it pretty obvious that they dont care is hard to take. the whole football world, in england at least, knows we needed wholesale changes if we really wanted to challenge nxt year but at best i think we see 4 players out 4 players in and a small net outlay. worse, in my opinion, is i dont think we are going to get the amount of british players in that we need. i think if we got in say 4 top brits it would be expensive but bring the balance that we know the team and the club need

  15. Rochey

    Jun 27, 2011, 16:33 #9193

    Same old story,Wenger will wait until the last moment to make cut-price signings...i can't believe we are negotiating a contract with Clichy, if he wants to go then let him **** off (if story is true)why are we trying to keep the likes of him

  16. moosegooner

    Jun 27, 2011, 15:31 #9192

    You are right but the cynic in me says that if we asked all of Wengers kids to leave if theyd rather play for somebody else, we would have about 4 players. Thats the issue with signing/stealing top players from other countries. Even if they bleed ArsenaL, they will still be more pragmatic than a local lad. Look at Henry and Vieira. They love Arsenal, but still wanted to move on. Only having homegrown players isnt the answer either. You need quality imports, but then you have to reward them with trophies, or they will wish to move on. All top players wanna win, and if you fail them as a coach, but you are irreplacable like Wenger, they will leave you. Fergie is irreplacable, but he wins, Chelsea dont always win, but the coach is replaceable, so as a player knows that there is always a different tomorrow around the corner. Jack is the key. he could be Wengers nemesis. Wenger has failed Cesc. Hes put dross around him and overplayed him. It doesnt get discussed because Cesc is understood to be a Barca boy and we all knew hed leave eventually and he has said only for barca. So Barca are seen as the only bad guys. Wenger gets a free pass. But Jack ? If Wenger fails Jack, and he wants out at 21 coz he cant win under Wenger....now thats a story. That would finish Wenger.

  17. GunnerZim

    Jun 27, 2011, 15:15 #9191

    I would like to see Arsenal show more desperation. Desperation to put things right. Desperation to keep their best players.Desperation to pay good wages to players who deserve it and get rid of the deadwood.Desperation to put our once great manager back on the right track with a few harsh words in his ear. Desperation to restore some pride.Desperation to win trophies!Desperation to move swiftly on the transfer market and snap up those targets that we have identified.

  18. The Baron39

    Jun 27, 2011, 15:08 #9190

    Mick, Do you think for one minute it's not the same for all the the major clubs in the Premier League? ...Arsenal come knocking clubs insist they want over and above what a player is worth.... Oh perleeeeeze! it's the same for Red Nose, Mancini and the multitude of Chelsea managers. The only difference being that they actually accept this is how life works. Arsene Wenger on the other hand still appears to remain outraged at such 'immorality'and 'capitalism'. Like a mortified Puritan. Problem is it aint going to change. The others all just bite the bullet otherwise it's no transfer dealings 'ever'. After all, say for example, Bill Gates is interested in buying your house, if you own one. You're telling me that you wouldn't at least be tempted to shove an extra 25 grand on the asking price? after all he can afford it? It's not the same but it is a similar principle at work with Arsenal's dealings on the transfer market. It's just reality. on the other hand if the Swartzer incident last season is anything to go by I wouldn't be surprised if we now have a reputation as being a bit of a joke on the transfer market. Offering derisory sums and wasting people's time.

  19. GunnerZim

    Jun 27, 2011, 14:50 #9189

    Good post. I think another aspect that we often neglect is that Arsenal as a brand has deteriorated significantly. Its so bad that in recent times we have lost our captains to our competitors. Vieira, Henry now Fabregas! I find that to be a very sad indictment of where the club stands now. I would think that the club captain has a pretty good feel from the manager of what potential transfer targets are and what the plans are for the forthcoming season. If Fab knows our future plans and still thinks he should move then how can we as supporters possibly be optimistic? We have lost our way bigtime and it really saddens me. Noone respects us anymore as we have no true identity. Are we winners? Are we Spurs in red? Where do we stand? How come Barca are offering Villa to Chelsea? Why dont we get Villa as a part exchange deal for Fabregas? How come we are not in the bidding for that Sanchez guy? Why are we never seriously chasing the top talents like Eto'o, Schnieder etc? There is a top tier of players in football at the moment and none of them seem to want to join Arsenal.The few that are there want out! The brand is weak, pathetic and no longer associated with winning.

  20. Arsene is a Fraudster

    Jun 27, 2011, 14:02 #9188

    I agree with Mark. Players dont have any loyalty anyway but alot will be dedicated to the cause IF they have a manager who doesnt say "I'd take 2nd every year" and "champions league spot is success". That man has become such a loser that players eventually dont give a toss about leaving the club. Also Wenger, the deity of the JCL's is the one that buys these mercenaries such as your Adebayor's, doesnt learn from his mistakes and he still goes off and buys these mugs who see us as a stepping stone before moving onto another club. GET RID.

  21. Brigham

    Jun 27, 2011, 13:47 #9187

    Some very good points made and the 'Speculate to accumulate' point is one I made on another post on here recently. Arsene and I am sure it is Arsene, always tries to penny pinch and it often fails. Its THE CLUBS money Arsene, not yours!

  22. Kev G

    Jun 27, 2011, 13:01 #9186

    I agree with this. However, we never seem to have alternatives. For example if we have a fee we are not prepared to go over for Gervinho and Lille are not moving then fine, just move on to the next target. It always seems to be Gervinho or nothing or in last years goalkeeper Debacle, Schwarzer or nothing. It's high time we identify a pool of players for all positions we want to strengthen. That way we aren't over a barrel every year. The Koscielny transfer springs to mind - We didn't want to pay £10m for him but in the end had to becuase Lorient were not moving and we desperately needed a CB. Again, lack of options. Where I agree with our clubs stance is where we won't overpay for final year contracts of english players. £17m for cahill is utterly ridiculous as was £15m for Ash young that united paid. Our problem is that we are left with a wage bill that is getting to the unmanagable stage with piss poor players on high wages, that will not take pay cuts to move on. I for one, would welcome a midfield of Ramsey, Wilshere and Cesc (if he stays) rather than see Nasri piss away the last year of his contract. Leave him in the reserves if he isn't committed. I'd rather see 11 players put in 100% every single game and not win a trophy for another 6 years than half hearted attempts of a talented bunch, that infuriate all and sundry

  23. Richard Ansell

    Jun 27, 2011, 12:46 #9185

    Well said, Mick. I (as I am sure all Gooners are) am fed up with this perennial will he wont he go saga. Now we have Nasri stalling too and the whole team is undermined with the few other top players we have probably starting to think about their positions too. Of course the deadwood won't be bothered as they are laughing all the way to the bank with the ridiculous contracts Wenger has negotiated for them, and they know when they are well off. As you say, Mick, Arsenal have to stand up to the likes of Barca and also stop fannying around in each and every transfer window and actually sign some quality players as soon as they are available at the going rate. This not only sends a message to our many disgruntled fans, but also to the likes of Nasri that he is with a club that is going places. Is it any wonder that our best players become unsettled when they hear comments from the manager akin to saying it is the taking part that counts and not the winning. On a previous article,Ron, quite rightly said that Arsenal have periods at the top before fading away, and I thought the move from Highbury was meant to keep us at the top along with Manure and stop the usual decline. As Ron said it is about time the club stopped lying to us, and either admit that we can not compete at the top table, or start acting like the big club we were promised, when we moved to the new stadium.

  24. Dave Button

    Jun 27, 2011, 12:23 #9184

    Well said. If you don't want to play for Arsenal **** off.

  25. John Evans

    Jun 27, 2011, 12:16 #9183

    Couldn't agree more. It seems to me that the ambition at the club has gone downhill fast in recent seasons. The problem we now face is the fact that most of the current fanbase wouldn't say boo to a goose and in all honesty they are not bothered enough to hold the board and manager to full account for the current plight we find oursleves in. You dare to suggest that the current levels of ambition are not good enough and you are told "to fu*k off down the lane" or "to go and support chelsea instead" when the real truth is the people that really care are the ones currently complaining. The ones that make stupid remarks such as the ones listed above are the ones that in another season or two will realise football isn't as cool as it once was, they will then stop going to the matches anyway and scurry off to the nearest theatre house instead.

  26. Ron

    Jun 27, 2011, 12:16 #9182

    If the 20 Million quid rumours are true, rin Manure and drive aNasri up there today i say. Hes not near worth it, hes no Fabregas (not even close) and to be really blunt he's the worst of the bottlers in that sqaud. Fergie, youre truly welcome to him.

  27. Mark

    Jun 27, 2011, 12:04 #9180

    I dont think you can blame the players as players are all the same, Arsenal didnt just end up with particulary selfish ones. The problem is the manager and the board. their management skills are awful, theres no drive no discipline, they dont instill in the players a passion for the club because they dont have a passion for the club themselves !

  28. Rebelsphinx

    Jun 27, 2011, 11:54 #9179

    Spot on mate. Unfortunately, just like a dog evetually begins to resemble its master (or is it the other way around? [wink]), Arsenal are begining to resemble Wenger in terms of penny pinching and stubborness in all the wrong ways. Now, I'm not AKB, AGA or whatever silly acronyms people are coming up with. As much as he has disspointed me over the last 4 years, I reckon Wenger should be given another shot. BUT, this incessant refusal to learn from past mistakes IS unacceptable. As you rightly point out, the handling of Fab and Nasri's situation is nearly identical to Paddy and Henry's from seasons past. We somehow contrive to get below market value for our world class players. If Fab wants to go and fluff Pique Puyol et al, thats fine. But we will not be bullied and forced to accept a sum below his market value. If Torres cost 50 million and Andy Carrol 35 million, why on earth would we accept anything less than 45 million? Ridiculous. We seem to be stubborn when making acquisitions and it usually tends to be over minute sums (Schwarzer comes to mind), leading us to miss out on our key targets. This stubborness and penny pinching needs to be seen when it comes to letting go of our key assets. For all their talk about financial stability and living within our means,blah blah....no one on the arsenal Board can explain how the value of our brand has deterioated these last couple of years or why we have the lowest commerical revenue of the top clubs. Where is the logic?

  29. Napolean blown apart

    Jun 27, 2011, 11:41 #9178

    Bonjour Mick, Ziz iz Arzene here. Ma petir project is going according to plan and by 2016 Arsenal will be able to afford the best players in ze world. frankly i dont want to pay money for English Kni-gits because they have no style, drink too much beer and they smell. i like nice boys, very clean and who obey my orders. these English are too agressiff, tuf and like to fight and je naime pas ca

  30. peter killick

    Jun 27, 2011, 11:16 #9177

    I agree, IF they don't want to stay let them go, like you i have had enough too of the same thing season after season, and it is about time some of the players showed more loyalty.