Should you be paying for Spurs to redevelop White Hart Lane?

Why can’t Tottenham’s tax avoiding owners put their hands in their pockets?



Should you be paying for Spurs to redevelop White Hart Lane?

Joe Lewis: Tax exile wants us to foot bill for increasing Spurs’ value


As you may or may not know, in order to build an increased-capacity stadium, Tottenham Hotspur have recently applied for public funds to make this pipe-dream a reality. As the Haringey Independent states, Spurs chairman Daniel Levy “had previously said the Northumberland Park scheme was too expensive, but an injection of public funds would be likely to change his mind…If approved, the money would help pay for a package of infrastructure improvements, including train station upgrades, new public spaces, restoring listed buildings, and fixing the roads. A major stalling point had been that the club would have to pay for much of this work”.

Of course, Arsenal, their North London neighbours, had done exactly that a decade earlier without public subsidy (if anyone contests this point, I’m more than willing to hear evidence to the contrary) and Arsenal’s works included upgrades to the local transport network, the relocation of a waste disposal unit and Holloway Royal Mail depot, as well as provision of 1400 affordable homes within the borough of Islington. There is obviously a moral argument against allowing Tottenham Hotspur public funds to build a source of increased income which, in the words of major shareholder and former chairman Lord Sugar, would avoid putting themselves “in a position where we’re paying loads of money to service a debt instead of buying players” when their North London neighbours, with whom they will be in competition for a lucrative Champions League spot, quite clearly had needed to do just that for their new stadium a few years back. It’s also hypocritical that Alan Sugar should be advocating such a position. Can you imagine his reaction if one of his contestants on the Apprentice asserted that Sugar owed them a living, though he quite clearly believes the tax payer owes Tottenham Hotspur one?

However, rather than allow the argument to be dominated by footballing rivalries, I would rather highlight that there is quite clearly a political case to object to allowing Tottenham Hotspur access to public funds to rebuild White Hart Lane. Now I’m fully aware that there may be some regular readers of the Online Gooner who will baulk at the level of political argument I’m about to put forward here on what is essentially a football website. For that, however, I am totally unapologetic, as questions surrounding who has access to public funds cannot be anything other than a political matter. The mentioning of politics on a football website may well seem to be out of place, but is there any place for a football club to lay claim to public funds when they’ve reaped billions every year from spending the last 19 seasons in the richest domestic league in the world? Also, while local Labour MP David Lammy has done his level best to extol the virtues of such a project in what is quite clearly an underprivileged corner of the metropolis, the extent to which the undeserving poor will benefit from this little enterprise is mere chicken-feed in comparison to how it will line the pockets of the undeserving rich - who have either indirectly profited from ill-judged UK government policy at the expense of UK taxpayers or have done their level best to avoid tax revenue being paid to the UK exchequer altogether.

Let’s not forget that Joe Lewis, the majority shareholder of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club, is a billionaire and, according to the Sunday Times Rich List, the 22nd richest person in the UK. How did Lewis earn his fortune? Well, in 1979, three months after coming into power, the Thatcher government abolished exchange controls, allowing financial institutions and currency traders like Joe Lewis to make great wealth in currency speculation. However, the fall-out from allowing the value of the pound to soar was to dramatically hit the industrial base of the UK, by making the price of its produce uncompetitive on the global market.

In 1979, the unemployment level in the UK had been around one and a quarter million. This was a level that greatly shocked and unsettled a large amount of the UK population, as can be seen from the Saatchi & Saatchi-devised Conservative party election poster of ‘Labour Isn’t Working’. However, the only thing astonishing about such a level of unemployment over 30 years on is that it has never reached such a low figure since. Even during the boom years of Blair days, the UK unemployment figure never went beneath one and a half million, which also doesn’t take into account the numerous changes in how such a figure has been calculated in the years since – all usually to lower the figure to a level that projects the incumbent government in a more positive light.

The extent of normalising unemployment levels in excess of 2 million plus on the taxpayer is to see a drain on the public purse in welfare payments, and a shortfall lost in taxation from an extra million workers who would otherwise be taxed on their wage. However, the millions made by the likes of Joe Lewis would be taxed and thus redistributed, and hence trickle down to the rest of the population, right? Well, for that to happen, Joe would actually have to be resident here. Instead, for taxation purposes, he is a non-resident based in the tax haven of the Bahamas. Rather ironic that an individual who has spent several years avoiding paying tax to the UK exchequer should now be going cap in hand to the taxpayer requesting a hand-out to make his multi-million pound business more profitable.

However it’s not just Joe Lewis who would be enriched by the White Hart Lane redevelopment project. It’s a little known fact that, since 2007 - when Joe Lewis lost a considerable sum with the collapse of investment bank Bear Stearns, Tottenham Hotspur have been 4% owned by the 65th richest British citizen and former Conservative Party Deputy Chairman, Treasurer and financial benefactor, Lord Ashcroft. Like Joe Lewis, Ashcroft has for many years been a tax exile in a tiny Caribbean nation, that of the former British colony of Belize. In March, 2010 he revealed that he paid no tax whatsoever on overseas earnings in the UK. In fact, in Belize, with its loose tax laws, he has been exempt from many taxes for the last 30 years. For those who want to delve a little deeper into Ashcroft’s dealings, look no further than last year’s Panorama special. As well as his shares in Tottenham Hotspur, Ashcroft owns a majority share in Watford FC. Despite this, however, Ashcroft has by his own admission no interest in Football other than for investment purposes.

Therefore, rather ironically for a man who doesn’t seem to like taxation much, a publicly-funded redevelopment of White Hart Lane and a newly-built Underground station, plus a side not hampered in the transfer market, would make a tidy profit for Ashcroft when it comes to selling off his 4% share to an oligarch of his choosing. It’s also rather ironic that David Lammy encourages public funds to be used in this manner in the belief that it will generate wealth for London’s underprivileged in the wake of public sector cuts; however, these very public funds would be more likely to aid the bank balance of Lord Ashcroft, the man who actually bankrolled this cost-cutting Tory government on their road to power in the first place.

Since the Conservatives came to power 14 months ago, Haringey Council has been forced to close four residential care homes and six old people's day centres, halve park maintenance and cut three-quarters of its youth services. Haringey council was also previously the largest employer in the borough, though most forecasts predict that as many as one in five workers at Haringey Council will lose their jobs. That, therefore, makes Haringey vulnerable and requires them to bend over backwards to entice the hyper-capitalists to invest, or - in Spurs’ case - to actually stay in the borough. In the process, the hyper-rich will be looking at every opportunity to exploit this scenario for their own private gain.

As well as the White Hart Lane development, Lammy has mooted the idea of a Haringey enterprise zone and cites this vision as central to keeping Spurs in the borough. Such measures were all the rage in the 80s. However, one assessment of their effectiveness during this era totalled the up-front costs at £1.6bn in today's money, and actual jobs created at just 58,000 jobs. If Lammy thinks his aim of an enterprise zone with Tottenham Hotspur at its heart is really going to help the standard of living of Haringey’s poorest citizens while public sector cuts eat away at their employment, he would do well to study how ultimately unsuccessful the most famous enterprise zone of the Thatcher era was in halting the extremes of poverty in its local vicinity. The London Docklands Development Corporation brought a flood of the international super-rich into the East End, particularly Canary Wharf. However, two decades on, Tower Hamlets remained the poorest borough in the UK. Although exemption from property taxes and other incentives brought great wealth for those who were already wealthy, it did little to trickle down to the East London natives. In fact, in most cases it left most of the local populace priced out of the area and forced to relocate in run-down areas such as Newham or Barking & Dagenham. In fact, of the 100,000 workers at Canary Wharf, just 7% actually live in the borough of Tower Hamlets.

Also, while you hear people stressing how necessary these cuts are and how we are all in this mess together and hence must ultimately make sacrifices to curb this deficit, one figure should be imprinted on the minds of all UK citizens. When the Sunday Times published their annual rich list in 2010, the collective wealth of the 1000 richest UK citizens - who include Joe Lewis, Lord Sugar and Lord Ashcroft – had increased by a whopping 30%, the biggest rise in the history of the rich list. This here is conclusive proof that the aforementioned three deserve not one penny of our tax dollars to increase the value and ultimate sell-on price of their football club. Allowing public funds to be granted to Tottenham Hotspur to rebuild their stadium will not put food on the table of a single Haringey household living below the poverty line that would not have already been put there had its local authority not been forced to greatly reduce the number of those whom it currently employs. However, I’m more than aware that my left-leaning take on our nation’s macroeconomic situation might not be shared by the majority of Gooners. Though surely the unconscionable advantage that Tottenham Hotspur would gain over Arsenal in the transfer market alone will move the vast majority of Arsenal fans to round on David Lammy MP with six dreaded words this particular New Labour yes-man hasn’t heard since gave his wholehearted support for Tony Blair’s illegal occupation of Iraq. ‘NOT IN MY NAME, MR LAMMY!’


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  1. Realist

    Jul 13, 2011, 19:03 #9919

    Spurs fans going on an Arsenal fanzine site to moan it is biased.....christ what next, the world is round?!?! The fact is, we took no public funding. I do agree with the spurs fans (as much as it hurts) though that the public transport to there is pretty dreadful. That however is probably because we are closer to the centre of London. Pretty logical. The money we gave to tfl just got spent on making Finsbury Park look a bit flashier, which was no help whatsoever. Should have been spent making Holloway road into a proper tube stop. When making the ground it should have been a concrete part of plans including a underground walkway to Hornsey road.

  2. clockendpaul

    Jul 12, 2011, 22:21 #9884

    Think we have enough of our own problems at the moment, could'nt give a **** what their trying to do in that sty up the road!

  3. JM - LONDON

    Jul 12, 2011, 1:04 #9872

    I dare say you are correct JimB in much of what you have said. But I think I made it quite clear in my earlier entry, nobody wants to invest in or near Bruce Grove/Northumberland Park cos nobody wants to live there (not by choice anyway) apart from the current transient short term immigrants who frequent the area and do all the jobs in London most of us dont want to do - and yes, welcome as they are, thats what the majority of the current tax paying population of the area consist of - I use the tube most days (Totttenham Hale/Seven Sisters) and if you disagree with me then you really are talking out of your arse. Spurs staying where they are wont make any difference to any future private/public investment in the area cos it's not the best part of London (and I'm being polite here)and thats why there will be no CPO's to keep Spurs in the borough, where as there was every case to keep the Arsenal, at all costs, in Islington. I'm not trying to start a big fight with the Spuds here - we don't like each other and goodness knows I've met some right Arseholes on both sides of our fence, even at the friendly/mate level. Provocative as this article has been, I think the Gooner should drop this one now.

  4. Robert Exley

    Jul 12, 2011, 0:46 #9871

    JimB - enough of my lectures? You've come to an Arsenal site, don't start telling us what content you do and do want to see. If you don't like what you read here you can always go back to where you came from, that is unless you actually are a regular reader. A CPO isn't public money, it's the opposite. You're paying money for the land in question with your own funds. If certain former Ashburton Grove businesses aren't in existence anymore it's probably more likely caused by the recession in intervening years - caused by bankers like Joe Lewis and perpetuated by Lord Cashcroft's bankrolled Conservative party. And yes, more than a few of our board are not whiter than white but unlike Cashcroft they're certainly not single bankrolling a political party enforcing austerity on the rest of us while the businesses they invest in go cap in hand to the taxpayer with disingenuous claims of social betterment for the borough of Haringey. If I genuinely thought it would do some good for Haringey's existing residents I would back the idea, fact is on the whole, it won't.

  5. Nugs

    Jul 11, 2011, 22:05 #9870

    @ steve is that why half the posts on here are from delusional scummers like yourself? why do you need a new ground anyway do you honestly think a team that have won the league less times than huddersfield are gonna get 60000 fans every week? north london is ours whether you **** off to stratford or not 50 years and counting you mugs.

  6. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 11, 2011, 20:06 #9869

    is that really joe lewis? it looks like frank butcher.

  7. SpudsUhate

    Jul 11, 2011, 18:54 #9868

    Yeah yeah yeah...doing anything and everything to join the elite. Even considered Stratford, my my..east London the 'ammerz patch, never mind the 'O's, what hypocrites! Anyway, ****e is ****e how ever you dress it up. Take a drive through N9/17, or walk to take it all in. What a dive! Oops drive, erm..

  8. purplepanda

    Jul 11, 2011, 17:21 #9866

    Right you thick inbred Middlesex Swamp Dwellers, get the FACTS right you have only been part of LONDON since 1965 unlike the mighty Arsenal which has been in LONDON since LONDON COUNTY was founded. London since 1965 County Middlesex for most of your history!!!!

  9. TFG

    Jul 11, 2011, 16:44 #9865

    Enoyed this piece very much. For those of you posting who have suggested that no research has been undertaken in the writing of this, there appears to be very little to support the criticism. For your information, I am told that Spurs' continued complaints about West Ham being granted the opportunity to bid for the Olympic Stadium represents no more than delaying tactics: the funds are not being made available. Having attended open meetings with Islington Council debating the benefits of The Grove to its' residents, I can assure you that the Borough enjoyed numerous advantages, paid for by Arsenal Football Club and I have no problem with that. There is a social responsibility to comnsider here. Lord Sugar previously expressed concern that Arsenal had wasted significant funds on Dennis Bergkamp. It is not therefore unheard of for Spurs to take an overactive interest in our business. Bottom line: the Directors of Spurs continue to be driven by a comparison to their history against that of Arsenal - hence the DVD's which are promptly produced to celebrate anything other than defeat against us. Keep 'em coming, Robert!

  10. JimB

    Jul 11, 2011, 14:47 #9861

    @ Robert Exley - you want to know what public funds Arsenal received in order to help their Emirates development. I can't answer that. I doubt that they received any direct funding. That's not how these things work. Arsenal contributed £10 million in planning gain to various minor transport upgrades (Spurs are being asked to pay the best part of £20 million, by the way). But what is absolutely beyond question is that Arsenal received a staggering degree of assistance from Islington council in the form of CPO's. A great many well established local businesses were turfed out of their properties after Islington council issued CPO's on them - purely so that Arsenal could redevelop the land to make massive profits and thereby help to pay off their debt. Many of these businesses are no longer in business, having been unable to buy suitable new premises in the area with the money that they received for their properties. So did Arsenal receive direct funding? Probably not. But they did benefit from enormous public aid at the expense of small, private businesses. As to the public transport issue, I don't know who you're trying to kid by claiming that public transport to north Tottenham is perfectly adequate. No one with any sense or knowledge of the situation believes you. Arsenal has four tube stations within a short walk of the Emirates stadium. It also has overland train stations nearby. North Tottenham has just two overland stations. The nearest tube, Tottenham Hale, is a good 20-25 minute walk away. The area around Highbury, Finsbury Park, Holloway and Islington has benefited from major investment in transport infrastructure over the years. North Tottenham, by contrast, hasn't. Yet you would deny north Tottenham a very modest level of investment (nothing by comparison to what has been lavished on the area around Emirates) purely out of antipathy towards the likes of Alan Sugar, Joe Lewis and Lord Ashcroft (as if Arsenal's rich owners are any more deserving) - and antipathy towards Tottenham Hotspur too, no doubt? How small minded is that? How selfish? How does such self interest sit with your loudly claimed left leaning ideals? Please.....enough of your lectures. It's a shame that you display such an attitude because, although I am duty bound to hate Arsenal, on the whole I admire what they have achieved off the pitch. Like Spurs, they are a club which is well run, lives within its means and has achieved whatever it has achieved without the benefit of financial doping. Although our two clubs will always remain hated rivals, the real enemy within football right now are the sheikhs and oligarchs who would render true sporting competition a mere memory.

  11. JimB

    Jul 11, 2011, 14:10 #9860

    @ chris dee - you really shouldn't comment on matters about which you know nothing. Spurs didn't attempt to "hijack something that is not theirs". They initially had no intention of bidding because they had no interest in a stadium with a running track. But, at the eleventh hour, they were encouraged (nay, begged) by Boris Johnson and various Olympic officials to bid. They were assured that getting rid of the running track would not count against them and that financial robustness was the most important criterion - in which case, Spurs' bid was infinitely superior to West Ham's. But once the bids were in, the OPLC changed the rules and keeping the track suddenly became ****ount. The whole thing was a sham. Spurs were shafted. And that's why Levy is seeking a judicial review - not to get the decision reversed (Spurs' proposal clearly never stood a chance of success) but rather to get compensation for the considerable expense incurred in mounting their bid.

  12. JimB

    Jul 11, 2011, 14:00 #9859

    @ danalovAFCXI - I assume that you have heard of newsnow? If this website posts an article with the name Spurs in the title, newsnow will pick up on it and post it to the Tottenham page. That's why so many Spurs fans have responded. It's not rocket science, fella. As to the notion that Spurs fans must be obsessed with Arsenal because we are responding to the article, the irony that we are responding to a bitter article about Spurs (not Arsenal) that has been written by a gooner appears to be completely lost on you. Why am I not surprised?

  13. Ronster

    Jul 11, 2011, 13:41 #9858

    Ron,post 10855.The comparison to Aston Villa is well wide of the mark.The Villans have 7 League Titles,7 FA Cups,5 League Cups,one European Super Cup and THE BIG ONE,old 'Big Ears' in 1982 which in my book puts them on a par with ourselves!

  14. Ron

    Jul 11, 2011, 12:31 #9855

    Toteenham are just an imitation 'big' Club. Always have been and always will be. The Villa of the South if you like. They would try any stunt to keep up with their better and far classier neighbours. You should know that. Everybody knows it. Ive always said that if the Club wasnt in Greater London, it wouldnt get much of a mention anywhere. They should clear off up the M1 somewhere, like Northants area for eg. They ll find a new neighbour or two there perhaps that even they can keep up with (though dont quote me on that).

  15. Nick

    Jul 11, 2011, 10:52 #9854

    You seem to have rattled a few cages with your post i thought it was well written and in essense quite true thatcher did NOTHING for the working man but push them down under the weathys heel which was where she wanted us also there must be a lack of anything interesting on spuds sites for them to be reading ours if i were to go on one of their sites my pc would crash in protest unfortunately we too have our share of bottom feeding super rich on our board its sad but true football is a rich persons plaything now we the ordinary supporters count for nothing one day when our game is watched by sterile small crowds of corporate parasites they may realize what theyve done but i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for signs of remorse

  16. Robert Exley

    Jul 11, 2011, 10:48 #9852

    Gooner Hater - 1) The same public funds can be utilised to keep the existing public sector jobs in Haringey and provide the same benefits for the population of Haringey without fattening the bank balances of the tax avoiding super rich who collectively deny more public funds than any benefit cheat could ever dream of reaping in a lifetime. 2) Another instance of just saying 'yes you did receive millions in public funds, blah blah blah. Provide a link that actually backs this up rather than repeating the same tired line.

  17. ppp

    Jul 11, 2011, 10:29 #9851

    spurs are a disgusting drain on public resources and should simply be abolished. no serious human would advocate anything else.

  18. Gooner Hater

    Jul 11, 2011, 9:45 #9850

    The government makes regeneration funds available for any private company to bid where job creation is an outcome of the funding. The funding is not for the stadium but for public space outside the stadium. Another lame article from a twisted gooner. get your facts right, the goons had millions in public funding. The only reason the goons assisted in moving companies is because they were on the land for the new stadium. A poorly researhed article.

  19. danalovAFCXI

    Jul 11, 2011, 9:39 #9848

    good article, though you have turned a blind eye to our cheeky little ploys in getting our dust bowl built. Why are so many Spuds fans reading the Gooner? Every spud i meet seems to be more obsessed with us than their very own also rans. I pity the fools!

  20. chris dee

    Jul 11, 2011, 9:10 #9847

    Cast your mind back 18 months ago when Danny Levy proudly showed us an artists impressions of a newly developed White Hart Lane.It was in all the newspapers and in all the Sky Sports broadcasts. Then oops!Danny boy forgot to cost the redevelopement and realised Spurs could't afford it. So what do they do next? Well like all good duckers and divers they attempt to hijack something that is not theirs.The Olympic Stadium, already earmarked for West Ham was their target, and it would be cheap compared to redeveloping White Hart Lane.Funny how they never thought of this while the stadium was being built! But Spurs, quite rightly, were told to get lost. And now in order not to make himself look ridiculous with his promise of a new Stadium he wants as much public money to be given to Spurs as was given to the Olympic Village! Not a chance Danny,cause if that happened then Liverpool,Everton,Aston Villa etc would want the same support.

  21. Robert Exley

    Jul 11, 2011, 8:42 #9846

    I've asked for someone to point out evidence that Arsenal received public funds to build their new stadium, though in return have seen plenty of Spurs fans reply with 'yes you did' though not link any tangible evidence to back it up. A Goon - nice analogy of the social usefulness of taxation. Now go and tell it to Joe Lewis and Lord Ashcroft who for many years have done their level best to avoid their social responsibility in this regard. Christof - yes it would be just like reading the Daily Mail if that publication had a penchant for kicking tax avoiders like Lewis and Ashcroft and pointing out that the lower taxation of enterprise zones doesn't redistribute wealth to the areas' poorest as claimed, which the Daily Mail quite clearly doesn't. Also, if Spurs are not gaining an advantage that Arsenal didn't receive in building their new stadium why is Lord Sugar pointing out that this would avoid the very scenerio of restrictions in the transfer market that Arsenal have faced since their stadium was built? And Nice to see Spurs fans have bought the 'it will create wealth for Haringey' nonsense. As pointed out, but nobody wants to listen, the public funds used to create jobs is nothing compared to the public funds withdrawn that will lose jobs. Also with the enterprise zone that Mr Lammy wants to build, as is the case with these enterprise zones, THFC and others in the zone will be avoiding many taxes on a longer term basis. They are also not creating any net jobs for the area, other jobs will be transferred from elsewhere and as pointed out with the Canary Wharf example, probably not even go to local people. As for transport links, WHL has no underground but a nearby BR station whose line has a connection to Seven Sisters on the Victoria Line. They might need upgrading to cope with 60,000 every week, but we paid for that in our instance so why can't Spurs's tax avoiding owners do the same? The area also has connecting train lines running east to west, like at South Tottenham which is walking distance from Seven Sisters, so it's public transport needs are not as pressing as people make out. Also, since the downturn many transport projects benefitting underprivileged areas of London, such as the DLR extension to Dagenham Dock and the road bridge from Beckton to Thamesmead have been scrapped due to a lack of public funds - but then again such projects won't directly increase the wealth of the likes of Lewis and Ashcroft, so no-one is likely to listen. As pointed out in the article the whole discourse seems to be dominated by football rivalries and hence arguments over the use of public funds by the super rich to fatten up their back balances even more lost amid that. People, who probably don't even live in Haringey, see that it benefits their side and disingenuously give it their backing dressed up as a good social cause. However it doesn't matter because in the long term their club will be sold on as a result to the overall benefit of the likes of the already wealth Lewis, Sugar and Ashcroft.

  22. JimB

    Jul 11, 2011, 0:42 #9843

    As many have already pointed out, there is a wealth of misinformation and inaccuracy in this article. Any Regional Growth Fund monies that may be awarded to Tottenham Hotspur will be spent on public works, transport infrastructure and training for local people. Not a penny of it will go to Spurs or be spent on the stadium. All Spurs are asking for is at least some sort of level playing field. Because unlike Highbury, north Tottenham has been scandalously ignored and grossly underfunded by various governmental funding bodies, the Mayor and TfL for far too long. The Emirates is blessed with excellent public transport infrastructure - none of which was paid for by Arsenal (albeit that they contributed £10 million towards minor improvements). All north Tottenham is asking for is one tube station, on a service line that already exists. That's nothing by comparison to what already exists at Highbury / Holloway / Finsbury Park. So it is pure and utter selfishness on the part of the author to demand that north Tottenham is denied this small investment in infrastructure. The fact that the author complains about Arsenal having had to pay for a new waste and recycling plant - conveniently ignoring the fact that it was only needed because Arsenal demolished the previously existing waste and recycling plant in order to build their new stadium in its place - tells the reader all he needs to know about the mendacious nature of the article.

  23. Tony adams

    Jul 11, 2011, 0:38 #9842

    Admit it you just can't stand the thought of spurs getting public money to build a stadium when you lot didn't and subsequently haven't won anything for 6 years. Sucker!

  24. FOYS

    Jul 10, 2011, 23:12 #9841

    A Goon. Fair enough in the real world. But in football terms The Spuds are the third or fourth net biggest spending club in Britain. So why should we put our hands in our pockets? It's like India, Britain gives them a million pounds a year or so, yet they have a space programe, we don't so we are funding other countries success.

  25. 6yearsandstilldryexceptfortears

    Jul 10, 2011, 23:08 #9840

    why not plenty of spurs tax payers helped to build Trashburton Grove

  26. Paddy

    Jul 10, 2011, 22:24 #9839

    How do we protest about this? We should organise mass opposition. They can't be allowed to get away with this theft from the public purse. Cheeky ****ers.

  27. A Goon

    Jul 10, 2011, 22:00 #9838

    Think in terms of being a human being rather than a moron. The area needs regeneration. So why should the tax payer be involved ? For the same reason the whole of the UK (and specifically London) are funding Wet Shams new home in Stratford). Cos we all want the world to be a better place and Haringey is currently an embarrassment. We live in a society where I pay for benefits that you receive. For instance, if you smoke, drink or take drugs I fund your healthcare. If you are out of work I fund your benefit. If you use the tube I subsidise your fares through my council tax. If your child needs educating I foot the bill. If you need an ambulance guess what... Its life, and contrary to what someone once said, its more important than football.

  28. Shadow.

    Jul 10, 2011, 21:59 #9837

    RBS 20:49pm 10th Jul 2011 Gunner 66, we have been north of the river since 1882, you? - Post No. 10823 So has Liverpool. Your point being.

  29. Goonerpearty

    Jul 10, 2011, 21:53 #9836

    If the spuds are as big a club they say they are then why don't they cough up there own money.This country is skint and now one of the biggest clubs in world football(as they make out to be) wants money off the taxpayer.I know what I would tell em.Dont spend so much money on players and don't pay them so much.Oh and charity starts at home.Always a dream with the spuds.HAHAHAHAHA. COME ON YOU REDS.

  30. Sol Cambelt

    Jul 10, 2011, 21:47 #9835

    I am happy to help pay for Spuds move to Stratford! Forever in our shadow!

  31. FOYS

    Jul 10, 2011, 21:32 #9834

    West Ham want public funding. Spurs want public funding... The public have funded the olympic stadium. So thay should share public funds. After all they are both clubs have won the same ammount of First Divisons /Premierships in the last 50 years. So they have equal status.

  32. MarkH

    Jul 10, 2011, 21:25 #9833

    Thanks to John for clearing up why Holloway Rd was not expanded,and also for reiterating that Arsenal paid for everything. Benson- I dont understand your response,are you still taking the medication as prescribed?

  33. John

    Jul 10, 2011, 21:11 #9831

    I'm amused at the number of irate Spuds responding to this article in their usual nasty factless way. All those who profess to have read the details of the Ahsburton project, quite clealry have not, because, Arsenal received no, and I repeat, no, public funding, hence the significant cosr, and the need to help subsidise this with public and private housing. Secondly, as far as public transport is concerned, Arsenal were obliged to pay to tfl, a sum of just over £10m, to subsidise the upgrade of Holloway Road station and improvements to both Finsbury Park and Arsenal stations. Unfortunately, the part of this article that is a let down is the authors clear anti-Tory bias, which really does spoil an otherwise good piece. For the authors information, the reason the funds to tfl were not used to meet the promised, and demanded, improvements, was because Livingstone deliberately diverted them elsewhere. So Mr Exley, 10 out of 10 for the aricle's objective which is to expose the nasty little money grabbing gnomes like lewis and levy (surely something of the night if ever there was), but 1 out of 10 for your political bias.

  34. Stoney

    Jul 10, 2011, 20:55 #9830

    Gunner66. In 1894, Tottenham was made an urban district and on 27 September 1934 it became a municipal borough. As from 1 April 1965, the municipal borough formed part of the London Borough of Haringey. It's mentioned in the doomsday book as toteham. Is that long enough in london for you? Strangely there's no reference to ar3ena1 anywhere.

  35. RBS

    Jul 10, 2011, 20:49 #9829

    Gunner 66, we have been north of the river since 1882, you?

  36. Christof

    Jul 10, 2011, 20:27 #9828

    Deliberate misinformation and misrepresentation. The public funds will not be for THFC but for the benefit of the wider area. Jeeze, it's like reading the Daily Mail.

  37. Steve

    Jul 10, 2011, 20:22 #9826

    How obsessed are we by Tottenham. Very noble article but can't we concentrate on our team or are we just going to watch as everyone leaves and carry on commenting about the mob up the road.

  38. Benson

    Jul 10, 2011, 20:18 #9825

    oh look another misinformed blogger that types first and checks facts never. Oh and @MarkH stuff like this gets flagged up on the Spurs newsnow page because you're beloved Goonie bloggers love to talk about us by name. You don't see the same on the Goonie pages because we can't bare to say your name and refer to you as nomads or worse.

  39. JM - LONDON

    Jul 10, 2011, 20:15 #9824

    Mmm, Spurs have been banging on about a new stadium since, erm?, we got ours!. And of course they can never afford or need one!! (like ours) with their paltry 36'000 attendances each week!. They've seen the finacial turmoil it's cost us and thats taking into account our 60'000 a week at the EPL's dearest prices and the cash from the Arsenal stadium project. This is why they are banging on about Stratford and it not being fair that West Ham are going to be lucky enough to inherit a terrific new stadium with terrific transport links (ok, the athletics thing/distance to the pitch is an issue and probably wouldnt have done for us but then we are the Arsenal and not West Ham). Basically spuds, you're not getting a new stadium (and niether are Liverpool by the sound of it), West Ham got lucky, it just happened to get built on their patch and they are having it - end of. Spuds owners really are a bunch of sharks (and it takes one to know one) and will not be saddled with a load of stadium debt for the next 20 years cos they want their return much, much sooner than that. In banging on about Stratford they are just feeding you all a load on nonsense to cloud the issue that your not getting a new stadium to rival or be better than ours any time soon (never actually). What is a worry however, and the article touches deeply on this, is that WHL is not situated in the best part of London and doubtless would have seen (under the last Government certainly) vast investment in that particular borough on regeneration funded (as ever) by those who don't actually (or would want to) live there. Don't get me wrong, Highbury & Islington is no Kings Road but it's been 'up and coming' for a few years now and is much closer to central London - hence private wealth and investment has slowly but surely made it's way here unlike the still 'deteriorating' areas at the north end of the Seven Sisters road and beyond. So it would seem, due to the recession and the present Tory governments reluctance to borrow any more money to waste on government funded 'regeneration' that our money is safe (for now) and we won't be subsidising Spurs anytime soon!. And before everyone starts on me that the Arsenal stadium project was a failure, well no it wasn't - it just didn't do as well as planned due to the current economic climate we have found ourselves in, notwithstanding that if the Spuds tried the same thing it would be just plain laughable - who in their right mind would want to pay a premium to live there??. Finally, just a quick one on the issue of Stratford, a shame poor old Orient can't at least share the new stadium with West Ham?, everyone involved would just be so much better off from the deal.

  40. Stoney

    Jul 10, 2011, 20:01 #9823

    Another goonie pokes his head above the parapet and spouts ill informed nonsense. You got plenty of public money. It might not have gone directly into your bank accounts but it was there. The compulsory purchase orders placed on business premises on queensland rd etc, issued by islington borough council, meant you goonies paid nothing near the true market value of those premises, kicking out family businesses that had been there years and rewarding them with a pittance. Spurs are not doing anything like that. And islington waved development fees to update road, rail and bus services in the immediate vicinity. I know all this because my family owned factory units in Queensland road. You're spouting lies and rubbish based on pure ignorance. All spurs want is similar help rather than being charged millions for it. You benefited from such 'help' why shouldn't spurs? You bought your way into the top league years ago, if you know your dubious goon history, and it's about time you paid up. You lot moan more than wenger and see about as much of the truth as well. What a ship of fools arseburton grime is.

  41. gunner66

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:58 #9822

    re:graham summers check your facts tottenham was not a north london borough until the 70s that makes us the original north london team

  42. FOYS

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:51 #9821

    Arsenal were the first team in North London. The Spurs need to buid the stadium in Enfield MIDDX where they came from in fact now the news of the world have shut they could nick a bit of space where the Little Chef was.

  43. FulhamFreddie

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:49 #9820

    You Silly Billy. Try being impartial - or is that simply to much to ask?

  44. Domhuaille MacMathghamhna

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:34 #9819

    If Tottenham want public funding for whatever, they should be entitled to EXACTLY the same funding other clubs received,no more and no less, regardless of where they are located. Isn't the Olympic Stadium to Westham saga a perfect example of using public funds to help an EPL club reduce costs or benefit? Upgrading public transport, increasing revenue streams in the community etc. seem justifiable to me, IF the public funding is closely followed and does NOT benefit an owner financially in order to prepare his Club for value-added resale!

  45. Paulspur

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:31 #9818

    Shaaarrruppp and pay up, or you can move back to South London and we'll buy the Emirates... What is the going rate for a ground that hosts a team that have won nothing... In how long? :-)

  46. Brigham

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:28 #9817

    Spuds on a Arsenal blog, complaining and moaning - Quelle surprise indeed - go get a life you knuckle draggers.

  47. Lee

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:25 #9816

    You gooners really are quite thick aren't you?! The public money is to pay for the expansion and modernisation of the local transport infrastructure which is the stumbling block at the moment. Remind me again who paid for the expansion and modernisation of Gillespie Rd tube station and the lines that service it?... Thick twats!

  48. Michael

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:23 #9815

    The Haringey area is a sh1t-hole. Something Arsenal fans have mocked Tottenham Hotspur fans for years. 8 out of every person who lives in the area are claiming benefits. Whatever Arsenal fans view of on spurs (and no one cares about that) the fact is that the area needs Tottenham to get people off benefits. You want to spend more money helping people on benefits just because you hate Tottenham Hotspur then that is your own childish idiotic opinion. I'd rather my taxpaying cash was spent on re-generating areas so they eventually become self-sustaining.

  49. spursman79

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:21 #9814

    we (taxpayers) paid for your ground, man city's and englands grounds so why not? oh and we are paying for west hams!!!

  50. Shelfside****

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:19 #9813

    On the day when Modric clearly states his intention to be enticed by Chelseas ridiculous bid, in the week Man City showed the obvious way all the powerful clubs will get around the financial fairplay ruling, I for one am starting to think if you cant beat 'em... Lets not forget that we made our application for funding known on the day it was revealed that the dealings between OPLC and WHUFC may not have been whiter than white. Lets not forget that WHUFC bid for the OS has been supported by funding from Newham council. I just wonder how many Arsenal fans opposed that. As pointed out earlier, its intended to be used to improve the transport links in particular, and I'd rather speedy access in and out of N17 than it going on child tax credit for Eastern European children not even residing in our country. An interesting read with some flawed ideas.

  51. MarkH

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:18 #9812

    Its amazing how many Spurs fans read the Gooner website.I for one have never visited one of there's and never will. To my knowledge Arsenal funded Ashburton 100%. All the 'planning gain' was paid for by Arsenal,which is the reason the original cost spiralled up to the final figure. As Robert says if anyone knows any different then bring it into the discussion. My understanding was that London Transport insisted on a large sum for the redevelopment of Holloway Tube Station as part of their agreement to Asburton. We paid up and it never materialised due to 'technical reasons'

  52. Shelf

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:14 #9811

    Ill- educated gooner :o Quelle surprise!!!

  53. Revan1882

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:06 #9809

    Sorry you had public funding jesus get your facts right. We have no issue with funding the stadium what is the issue is paying for transport links and doing up listed building that the club shouldnt have to pay for. The truth Man city and Spammer have been given a stadium, Scum had huge public funding. All Levy wants is fairness and for us to be treated the same.

  54. Spurs Odyssey

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:01 #9808

    I am afraid you are not properly informed regarding Joe Lewis. He effectively has nothing to do with the club. One arm of his business (ENIC) has majority shares in the club, headed by Mr Levy. It's a PLC, or hadn't you noticed that?

  55. DannyMackay

    Jul 10, 2011, 19:00 #9807

    When are Arsenal going to upgrade local tube stations as set out in their planning permission? Oh no, they decided that rather than pay planning gain for it they would do it themselves, and then having secured planning decided not to upgrade the stations after all. That the council accepted this suggests it was in fact a back-hander of a subsidy from the local taxpayer.

  56. Big Fish

    Jul 10, 2011, 18:57 #9806

    Not sure Arsenal's major shareholders are exactly whiter than white Mr Exley. The regeneration around the Spurs stadium is desperately needed, and I'm afraid it amounts to a bit more than the relocation of a waste disposal unit and royal mail depot. The truth is that Haringey has been desperately underfunded for decades (unlike the trendy Blairite habitat of Islington) and, whether you like it or not, Spurs are a great revenue driver for local businesses. Increase the capacity to c.60K and that WILL be good for that part of the borough as all that extra Essex money pours in. I'm genuinely not sure what you are trying to achieve with this not especially well thought out (but certainly excellently written) article. I also worry that you need to get out more - it's a nice sunny Sunday in North London, but your bitterness towards your poorer neighbours has enslaved you to your keyboard. If I were you, I'd be more concerned about Wenger, and his transfer policy.

  57. James Cooper

    Jul 10, 2011, 18:56 #9805

    It benefits the borough at the end of the day,with extra jobs etc. And lets be honest if they dont use tax payers money on this, they will only use it on something more ridiculous.

  58. Michael

    Jul 10, 2011, 18:55 #9804

    This is so misinformed. Spurs have applied for grants for the transport infrastructure. Should taxpayers be asked to pay for infrastructure that will lead to improvement in a deprived area? Err, I think so.

  59. nipper

    Jul 10, 2011, 18:53 #9803

    ...er, woolwich wanderer, get real, all Spurs are asking for are help with paying for public transport infrastructure which will benefit the whole area, one of the country's most deprived. Typical gooner to be so narrow minded. This is about the wider community, not just a great football club. Agree about Lammy/Blair and Iraq though :-)))

  60. Graham Summers

    Jul 10, 2011, 18:51 #9802

    Spurs the team in nth London - where is woolwich anyway ?

  61. Steve

    Jul 10, 2011, 18:47 #9801

    for a scum fan yiou spend a lot of time looking into the mighty spurs, now look into your own club and you will see that you did have public funds into helping the planning of yor stadium, and using canary wharf as an example what a load of s**t tottaly differnet area and not the heart of the city

  62. Iain

    Jul 10, 2011, 18:44 #9800

    Well what are you gooners going to spend your money on otherwise? Cheap cider and donuts?

  63. ****Army

    Jul 10, 2011, 18:42 #9799

    As a Spurs fan I agree 100%. It is it abundantly clear to me that, from day 1, the medium term plan of Spurs current owners was always to increase the value of the club and then sell it. They are not custodians of the club. They are hard nosed capitalists who care for nothing but money. In order to maximise the value of the club they would have to 1. Establish the club as a CL side 2. increase the value of the club's assets - players, facilities, land, investments etc And most importantly of all... 3. Improve the stadium (of course if you can do all of these on the cheap - or with someone else's money - then you make even more)

  64. Suzagooner

    Jul 10, 2011, 18:42 #9798

    Of course we shouldn`t,if they want to expand they should cough up themselves just like we are doing.There are plenty of other more worthwhile causes that us hard working tax payers could be paying for!

  65. totnam

    Jul 10, 2011, 18:41 #9797

    No public funds for the goons, do me a favour. Your ground was built with public subsidies for environmental issues like the building of affordable housing and the upgrading of public transport. Read the entire planning interpretations and what was discussed and given. Get your facts right, idiot.

  66. Hoe

    Jul 10, 2011, 18:39 #9796

    This isn't evena question given that we part funded yours.