Money in the bank

Online Ed: Arsenal still shopping in Kwiksave



Money in the bank

Arteta: Injury concerns


The figures are not spot on, but they are in the ballpark. Arsenal – not including the token amount received for Gilles Sunu – received circa £71 million in the summer through transfers. They had an estimated £35m in the kitty before that. So £106m to play with.

They have spent circa £54m. So an approximate £52m surplus there. Even totally ignoring the money in the bank, that’s a net profit over the summer of £19 million. Arsene Wenger can’t have it both ways. The next time he complains that Arsenal cannot compete with the free-spending English clubs that win trophies, he should be reminded that he does not even spend what he has.

Arsenal raised ticket prices by 6.5% for this season. They need the money because the running costs of the stadium have apparently doubled. Maybe they should take some of the untouched millions from the manager’s transfer kitty instead. The increases will make about £4 million per season, excluding VAT from those price rises. What’s the point?

As for the quality of the signings, time will tell. They will undoubtedly improve the depth of the squad (although one doubts Arteta will be available for long), and even the manager could not pretend that was healthy enough after the best squad he has ever worked with shipped eight goals last weekend. However, the feeling is he could have done so much better if he had been determined to utilise all the money available to him, and much earlier in the summer. The club would have started the season with a far more settled squad, and maybe the psychological damage and humiliation of last Sunday might have been avoided.

Incidentally, Spurs’ new signing Scott Parker was passed up because apparently, he does not have the technical ability good enough for Arsene Wenger. Sometimes, battles have to be won before you worry about technique.

It was a busy transfer deadline day, and at least there are some fresh faces. But there’s still lots of cash swilling around in the coffers. So I do not want to hear any further excuses about not having the money to compete. The club should at least have used what they have. I have no idea what Wesley Sneijder’s wage demands were, but the club could have afforded to buy and pay him out of that £52 million and no mistake. Sometimes in life, you just have to show a bit of ambition if you are going to achieve things.

Arteta reputedly agreed to a significant wage cut to join Arsenal due to the desire to play in the Champions League. Kind of says it all. With this kind of approach, I hope he enjoys this season’s campaign in Europe, as the chances of anymore look doubtful. Still, some change, and much needed, the post-weekend signings a final admittance that experience is badly needed, after spending £12 million on a 17-year-old less than a month back. That 8-2 drubbing may have been a blessing in disguise.


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  1. Gare Kekeke

    Sep 03, 2011, 19:33 #12443

    @ Alex - don't ever call Man City & Chelsea "super clubs", because they are not. The real "super clubs" in England are Man Utd, Liverpool & ourselves. We have had more trophies and top flight seasons than City & Chelsea. Our record historically in England is only bettered by the Reds of Manchester & Merseyside. Don't you or any other Gooner EVER claim those two clubs are bigger than us because they are not. They have rich owners but are not rich clubs. Neither of them generate the money that we do, especially City. With regards to the transfers, only time will tell. But I personally detect panic buying in Wenger. No doubt the Old Trafford mauling had a hand in this. At the start of August, the only players he was looking for were kids, kids and more kids. The signings of Oxlade-Chaimberlain & Campbell highlights this. He was the only one in the universe who actually thought messrs Fabregas and Nasri would remain at the club. Wenger will have to implement a proper defensive strategy for Mertesacker to be a success, but would you trust him to do so? I know I don't. I still remain in the belief that Wenger will not be Arsenal manager after this season. There is a rot and malaise that has been at our club for some time and the Carling Cup loss to the Brummie Blues last season has not only accelerated this but has also mentally destroyed this squad in which for me can only be recovered with another manager.

  2. Dover Mick

    Sep 03, 2011, 11:56 #12431

    Is Tony Roberts banging the drum for his employer? Stick to coaching the keepers, because you have a lot of work to do there still

  3. Mike

    Sep 03, 2011, 9:27 #12424

    @Alex - spot on mate - punching above their weight limit for about 4 years now. Don't think Arsenal have got too much weaker over that time (although they have had problems defensively), the other big spenders (City, Chelsea etc) have become a lot stronger quickly. If you look at the benches of these clubs the mind boggles as to how much money is being thrown down the drain to see a whole bunch of marquee signings sit and be spectators, so that they can be called on just in case - people should start realising that half the problems financially lie with the players and agents. Wenger has done well - I think the players he brought in are good. Seem to think that a lot happens in the background without us knowing with respect to transfers. I do believe a lot of players were waiting to see if we qualified for the cl first.

  4. blue moon

    Sep 03, 2011, 8:21 #12421

    well the signings are definitely great, i should say,, but the squad still lacks experience..... arteta alone can't make up for the loss of cesc and nasri.... do u concur??

  5. Gunnerdawg

    Sep 03, 2011, 7:32 #12419

    Two more for the physio! Arteta should help if he stays healthy but over all our transfers out still outweigh the transfers in. We will be battling for fifth place this season.

  6. Alex

    Sep 02, 2011, 21:14 #12415

    Whatever happens, I remember watching Arsenal in the 80s and 90s. Under Graham we won stuff but it wasn't pretty. Arsenal aren't City, Utd, Chelsea or Liverpool and i for one am happy about that. I seriously doubt there is 50 million sitting anywhere for Wenger to spend. Even if it was Wenger has never been a manager to buy big name players. It's been good enough for most of the last 15 years. For a club the size of Arsenal to routinely qualify for the knockout stages of the Champs League is a major result. i think we'll struggle for top 4 this year but I think that's as much to do with the "super" clubs who don't have the same financial constraints. I'd sacrifice Champs Lge football for a well run club that continues to do things the right way. I hate to see fans turning into Chelsea and United types. you've got to win everything whatever the price. The best footballing night of my life was the 89 win at Anfield. No-one expected it. they said it couldn't be done but they did it...and in style! Personally I think Wenger has had arsenal punching above their wait for a long time and some now expect the same results every year. Ain't gonna happen. Who knows where this club would have been without Wenger. To want him sacked is nothing short of a disgrace. He ain't perfect and he's stubborn but he's worked wonders in his time. We don't treat our legends like that, that's for the spoilt rich boy clubs.

  7. Steve

    Sep 02, 2011, 16:42 #12410

    How long will Artetas knee hold up before he hits the injury list/

  8. R Meade

    Sep 02, 2011, 15:40 #12406

    Arteta a second rate Fabregas, Benayoun on loan!!!! 15th choice Chelsea reserve totally embarrassing we are Arsenal not Wigan. Another player from 2nd tier in France just what we need lets pray RVP stay's fit for once all season. The German well....i hope he is the real thing but needed another cb was needed as well we cannot ever let Koscielny/djourou play for us again both 4th division players both a disgrace but both will play lots of games this season. Baines/Cahill should have been bought what ever the price but as ever we go the cheap way and this is where it's got us.

  9. San Elan

    Sep 02, 2011, 10:34 #12397

    Absolute B*****. Yossi Benayoun should have been Mikel Arteta, and Mikel Arteta should have been Juan Marta or even Sneijder. To think he paid 12 million for Oxcart! Mikel Arteta was bought only because he handed a request... Everbody is culpable,, but mostly Wenger. It is time for him to go! I guess it would be when we finish below top 4 next year. As Arsenal fans who pay the most expensive ticket prices in the world should have never suffered a humiliation like the one at Old Trafford. As most of the observers point out, we are no longer an adversary for Fergie, not even a minor irritation. We might have been privileged to witness the only unbeaten run in the history of modern day game but we are also utterly humiliated fans in history of Arsenal and that within 7 years! The problem is, I don't think the management has learned even after that humiliation.

  10. Gooner S

    Sep 02, 2011, 10:27 #12396

    I don't understand the negative under currents to this post or many other for that matter. Fans wanted Wenger to get rid of the deadwood...he did that (he hasn't finished yet!) Fans wanted him to bring new faces in....he has done that. I am pleased with Arteta in particular but also with Mertesacker. By all accounts Arsenal put in some huge bids on players. Either their current clubs were unwilling to sell (for whatever reason) and/or the players didn't want to come. Hardly shopping in Kwiksave (which went bust didn't it?. You can't put a gun to peoples heads. Top players, under guidance from their agents will wait to see if City, Chelsea or United want them. It's fact. You would do that too! You and others just have to come to terms with that. It isn't all about transfer fees. It's the total cost of the transfer vs the year on year budget for running the club. You have to factor in who the targets are, do they want to come to Arsenal? Does the players club want to sell? What fee do they want? What do we want to pay? What are the personal terms required? What personal terms do we want to pay? All of these factors influence who, if anybody you actually end up with. If Arsenal fans just stop and think about it for a minute it isn't like popping into Tescos for a loaf of bread! Swansea are up next. Let's all get behind the team and cheer them on....win, lose or draw!

  11. Ron

    Sep 02, 2011, 7:53 #12394

    Truth is that economic reality hs hit Arsenal and football generally now just like all other businesess. 15 great and good years has passed. Expectations might still be there from fans who have not known what supporting aa Club is about other than in this period. Get used to it. Arsenal have rarely signed so called marquee players anyway. Alan Ball still stands out as one. Yes we bought Bergkamp but only at a lesser price due to people in the game thinking his career had ground down to very little. Titles and Cups are there for those with unlimited cash. End of. Thst s the modern game.

  12. DW Thomas

    Sep 02, 2011, 1:00 #12391

    Kind of agree with you Kevin, have to say. I was surprised and excited that we at least signed 5 fairly decent players. I do like Arteta, but I think Park might be the biggest surprise. The others we have to wait and see. Got a feeling about Park. If he is anything like Ji-Sung Park for United, he could be a great addition. This was definitely panic buying imo, but at least he bought. I am hoping he is keeping the rest of the cash for January and Hazard. If you agree or not, Hazard has won things at a young age, has talent, and would get many, many of us Arsenal fans more excited about this season yet (even though we're still 8 points behind our rivals!). Still can't say I fully trust Wenger to right the ship, but, he does deserve a chance I think. Let's see what tactics he employs with the new bunch and how the first three games or so go. Will we compete with the big boys? Can't wait for Man City as the the team have to be desperate to shut Nasri up with all his b.s. coming out these last few weeks. Also, just watched the Man U. game again and Djourou was abysmal. His worst game I have seen him in. What happened to his form from last season? Did one slight injury lay off destroy his confidence and defensive capability? Probably should have bought Samba or Cahill as who know what will happen with injuries to our CBs this season. Nice to hear Arteta took a wage cut to be in a better team and challenge for trophies. Compare that to Nasri and Clichy and that's the kind of bloke I want for a teammate. Care more about the game and winning than money. Maybe our board should take a hint from that!

  13. Tony Roberts

    Sep 02, 2011, 0:34 #12390

    Where is the praise for the fact that Wenger sold Clichy & Eboue and got Vela, Bentner & Denilson off the pay-roll. The Gooner has been moaning about these five players for long enough so where is the credit where credit is due?! Apart from that we were compelled to sell two players who didn't want to be here. Had to be done. £70m+ windfall ain't a bad result all things considered! In exchange we have nine new signings for £50m+ including players who are genuine Arsenal fans like Mertesacker & Jenkinson and a much improved back four. I would much rather have an Arteta (who took a pay cut to be here) than a mercenary like Nasri. Time to get behind the team and stop whining.

  14. johnnyh

    Sep 01, 2011, 22:15 #12383

    i think this is the first time i have disagreed with you kev. i have been wengers biggest critic but i think its time we all took a step back. we asked the manager for some new experienced players and we got them. santos,mertesacker,park and benayoun are all proven international performers and arteta is a proven premiership player. we all have to accept that we can NEVER afford the 200k a week that the likes of united,city and chelsea can and i am ok with that. the transfer window has now closed so hopefully we get everyone back healthy from the internationals and we can kickstart our season with the swansea match. lets get behind the team and show the new players that we are all in this together. COME ON THE ARSENAL!!!!!

  15. simon

    Sep 01, 2011, 21:03 #12381

    kev, reality hurts sometimes and the reality is we are not a champagne club.At the moment, we can't compete with city, united and chelsea. having one fabregas or one snjeider to go with your also runs isn't feasible (i mean the guy just won't come!). I think what hurts is the dawning reality that with the loss of cesc and nas we are now competing with liverpool and spurs for 4th. In that context these are ok signings. What's key is arsenal find a way to build up again ie to keep wilshere and build around him and that will take the scrapping of the daft salary cap and careful management.

  16. fozzy's mate

    Sep 01, 2011, 19:39 #12380

    Kev - although slightly underwhelmed by some of the signings, I am also relieved by the last gasp 5. I also agree that making a profit again sends the wrong message but again it could have been much worse. Frankly even with 8 absentees the squad from the manure debacle was a disgrace (not the players fault) for a club of our stature. These 5 all being experienced and solid gives us more depth than we had last year if somewhat lacking in star quality. But the million dollar answer was did he jump or was he pushed in terms of his last minute splurge? To summarise my feelings are part relief part disappointment but in the main relief. And you can't deny the late pursuit of Arteta a player I have always liked got the blood pumping again a feeling which as a gooner has been sadly lacking for some time!

  17. jambo

    Sep 01, 2011, 19:31 #12378

    YAWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God, damned if you and damned if you don't, he can't win can Wenger...he signs players, players in the positions we need, experienced players, something we have all cried out for, leaders (Park - national captain, Mertesacker - Bremen captain, Arteta - has captained Everton on occasions, Benayoon - national captain) something we all claim this team has lacked, some players with premier league experience, height in the big german yet people still moan! just because Wenger hasn't spent all the money available he is criticsed, yeah you're right, he should have spunked all the money away because it's there...er NO! now if things still don't work out he still has £50 MILLION - if you're figures are accurate (board member are you? no? so just speculation at this time i'm afraid!) to try and fix tings further in january! I for one am happy with the signings and will get fully behind them immeadiately! up the ARSE!

  18. GoonerGoal!

    Sep 01, 2011, 19:11 #12377

    @JJB. Nice to see you are sticking to the “abuse as criticism” line of attack on anything with which you disagree. I am sure a nice non-whinging positive article from you about our Manager, our Board, the transfer policy, the squad, and the current state of Arsenal FC would be much appreciated by many.

  19. Gooner Rock

    Sep 01, 2011, 18:29 #12376

    I can understand why people are going to view the signings as panic purchases following Sundays humiliation, but we should consider how wed have felt about them had they been made two months ago. I think we'd have all been delighted with Mertesacker, Arteta and Santos then, so why should now be any different? We've been crying out for experience and these three players deliver that in spades, so it's illogical to moan about them. Of course it would have been fantastic to sign Cahill and Sneider too, but then we'd have moaned about not signing Benzema and Hazard - a football fan is never satisfied and there's no harm in that whatsoever.

  20. Andreas

    Sep 01, 2011, 18:04 #12374

    Am I reading it right that most Gooners would prefer Samba, Jagielka or Cahill to Mertesacker? So our new no.4 played who's over 70 game for Germany, yes Germany, to 3 players who haven't managed more than 40 caps in international football for England and Congo. What is wrong with you all? Stating that Mertesacker is too slow is nonsense, Samba and Jagielka aren't speed kings. Also, much prefer to have Arteta than Parker, he's a genuinely consistant Premiership performer, unlike spurs' new signing.

  21. Steadfast

    Sep 01, 2011, 17:31 #12373

    With the kind of signing we have made, i can see changes on the cards...we might go from the unsuccessful 4231 or 433 to a more robust 442. Happy with the signings. Arteta is pure class, excellent free kick taker, crosser and penalty expert as well. Now we have cover in every department of the game that too with experience.. Come on Arsenal!

  22. Dover Mick

    Sep 01, 2011, 17:00 #12370

    Another spot on post Kevin. The JCLs will always think St Arsene founded Arsenal. Poor deluded prays that they are. Kwiksave purchases when we are paying Harrods prices to watch

  23. JMascis666

    Sep 01, 2011, 16:49 #12368

    Its going to take a lot more than a few signings to get me back on Arsene's side after Sunday's events.

  24. Mike

    Sep 01, 2011, 16:25 #12367

    @Belfast Gooner - at last, someone with good common business sense on this page - unlike the online editor

  25. ppp

    Sep 01, 2011, 16:21 #12366

    in case it escaped the writers notice - sneijder is as much an injury case as arteta and van persie. not that i think the new signings are any great shakes - just papering over the cracks in my opinion. doesn't mean i won't support them all while they wear the arsenal shirt.

  26. Gee

    Sep 01, 2011, 15:40 #12364

    He won't break any transfer records. FACT In the real world despite Lille giving it the verbal a £35m cash bid would have got Hazard. FACT Again, £35m cash bid for Kaka would have maed Madrid sell. FACT I'm not saying that personal terms would be easy to sort but the clubs would have been willing to sell. It just seems our very weak nature gets us nowhere. We ask the question "Is X available?" and if we are told "No" we leave it at that. Other clubs just tend to put a bid down in the first instance. Dick Law, whoever this pratt is, needs sacking. All summer he has come away from pony clubs with his tail between his legs having not secured a deal. Even Joel Campbell gave him the run around and as for the Mata situation - the less said the better. He was owned. Get in a proper manager who actually identifies targets and says I need these go and get them. Not I neeed these but do not pay more than X. Weak board, weak manager, weak club

  27. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 01, 2011, 15:09 #12362

    im not an AKB A WENGER OUT A JCL or any other category that people want to use stupid initials to describe.Im an arsenal fan.I do love reading the gooner but i,ve never seen such negativity, and whinging, doom mongering that is on this site what more do you people want.To criticize some of these players before they have pulled on the shirt or kicked a ball for us is disgusting and a disgrace the signings are made now stop whinging and get behind the team.

  28. Amos

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:58 #12359

    Post 13589. The website editor needs to take a closer look at the accounts before deciding how easy his financial assumptions really are. Take a look at profits just from the football business as opposed to those boosted temporarily from property. Then ask yourself how those figures would be significantly altered if we dramatically increased intangible assets (player registrations) and wrote them down in the approved manner at that higher level every year! At the same time ask what the impact of a potential reduction in the player trading numbers as a consequence of inflated might have on the profits and therefore our ability to pay significantly higher wage bills. It all looks very simple but one season of miscalculated excess can cause 3 or 4 seasons of genuine pain.

  29. fasthare

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:54 #12358

    I totally agree.The way Wenger conducts transfer negotiations is nothing but disgraceful.I understand the initial offer for Arteta was 5 M.Its no surprise that Moyes rejected it outright although Moyes unlike Bolton was too much of a gentleman to make any degrading remarks about the offer.An offer of 10M was not enough to tempt hardup Everton but Arteta being 29 could not resist his one final chance of CL football and Moyes finally gave his blessings.I have the utmost admiration for David Moyes.Here is a man who cares for his player enough to let him pursue his dream even though he could have held him to the terms of his contract.Please Mr Wenger we are Arsenal and you should conduct yourself more becoming of one of England's most respected instituitions and not behaving as if you are bargaining at Cheapside.It is why you failed to land Alonso 2 seasons back Alonso who could have been the perfect holding midfielder to complement Fabergas.Remember it as Fabergas who pleaded with you to get Alonso.Who knowa if Alonso had come things might have been different and Fabergas might still have been with us still.Alonso is just one eample of your cheapskate attitude towards buying a player.It is this same cheapskate attitude that we are now buying secondrate players and we are now a secondrate team.A team like Arsenal should be buying Wesley Sneijder(no disrespect to Arteta and benayoun) to replace Cesc.And don't give me the excuse that we cannot afford his wages. I read that our wages bill for last season was well in excess of 100 M.money wasted on inflated salaries of secondraters like Denilson and Bendtner.I would rather pay their combined salaries on one player like Sneijder.Don't also give the excuse that Van Persie will then demand a wage increase.Well if his talent deserve an increase so be it.You have to pay for class. I see no harm in having 2 or 3 players getting top wages if they are worthy of it. The moment you stick slavishly to a wage structure you discourage talent from coming and at the same time your top players will leavewhich is exactly what is happening at Arsenal.I am not advocating we try to compete with the likes of MAN CITY.but at least be like Fergie who is not afraid to pay a couple of players top wages if they derseve it.I have supported Arsenal for more than 50 years and I havenever been so bitter about the way my beloved Arsenal is being ruined by Wenger and a greedy owner who apparently has used the club for financial profit.

  30. johnnyhawleylovinggonner

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:35 #12356

    i do not know what guicksave is but if it is lidl remember some of the products in store there are top brands in europe. they are top players. we are self funding the only club run in a sane way .they waited untill cl was secured and now everything looks paniky. the club hopefully will not be as carefull in future.i feel a lot better than on monday when a drunk tried to give me his bottle saying you need this more than me! (i had my arsenal shirt on

  31. Bobolancs

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:19 #12353

    Don't forget that, with next year's Champions' League qualification very much in the balance, we need to guarantee the ability to pay the wages of not only the players we have signed, but also players whose contracts we'll hopefully be renewing (and improving!) in the not too distant future: Van Persie, Vermaelen, Sagna and Song. If we don't do this, we face the same instablity with those players summer as we did with Nasri this summer!

  32. Mike in NY

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:06 #12350

    Belfast Gooner - Spot on! Also, don't forget the agents' fees. Everyone quotes the gross fees received, but we probably get between 85 and 90 percent of those numbers, so our available cash is materially less than assumed.

  33. highberry

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:06 #12349

    "Arteta reputedly agreed to a significant wage cut to join Arsenal due to the desire to play in the Champions League. Kind of says it all." Jesus, yeah. God forbid we have players who are desperate to perform for us at the highest level. Need more Nasris in our squad, he wouldn't take a pay cut! We've just signed 3 internationals, and two expirenced premier league midfielders. What more do you want?

  34. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:01 #12347

    well done arsene well done now that wasn't hard was it.

  35. Rob

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:01 #12346

    Judging by some of the jackass comments on here you really can fool some of the people all of the time. This was panic buying by Arsenal and whilst Yossi is an interesting one and Per will clearly strengthen a pityful - in fact non existent, at times - defence, we are weaker now than last season. And that wasn't exactly great was it ? Is it enough to keep the illusion of Wenger's supposed genius going and keep 4th place ? We'll see come May. Telegraph's verdict is pretty clear : "Four late deals may have strengthened ther squad but without Fabregas and Nasri Arsenal cut a weaker figure." Quite so !

  36. FonzeGooner

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:00 #12345

    @Vip – Sadly your a typical idiot armchair " fan", fuelled on talksport! So you reckon Hazard would have solved everything do you? Do you know anything about him? NO! He is 20yrs old, he has bags of potential but he could take 6months to a year to bed in, how do you know he wouldn’t be a failure? To much to pay on a high risk gamble, how come no other big club went in for him? If it was 25-30mill do you not think another big European club wouldn’t have come in for him if he was that good? And regarding M'villa, again you know F'all about him other than what you read in the tabloids! Another inexperienced French player who could be a great or could be a dud, and for the money they were asking, id rather go for prem experience! You are a classic ignorant tabloid reading monkey, still using the AKB tag, god, I was hoping your lot wud have gone away by now, I thought the one good thing to come out of this month from hell would be to lose all the new wave "fans".....go on, off you go....no one will care!

  37. Gooner7070

    Sep 01, 2011, 13:58 #12344

    Gooner Girl - There are no pleasing some people.... Well if you are happy with the signings thats fine by me.... I guess you are also happy that we are now and will continue to be a second-rate club that will not even be ever as potential champions and will almost struggle to qualify for the Champs League for a number of years... Am I calling for Wenger to go - No... Whether he stays or goes makes no diff.... -- We're just not in the same leasgue as MU, MC or Chels anymore, and as long as we contineu to pay salaries which ensure we will get the players the others don't want. - The board needs to go... But they won't unless Usminov takes over....

  38. David

    Sep 01, 2011, 13:39 #12342

    Very pleased with the acquistion of Mertesacker and Arteta. Whilst strengthening the left back position is a definate plus also. Sadly, there are people on this site who have an agenda against Wenger no matter what he does. Had he not brought in reinforcements, the vitriol would be immense. He brings in reinforcements and he is attacked because they are "panic buys"(!!) or did not cost enough etc!

  39. MrT

    Sep 01, 2011, 13:25 #12341

    "Arsene Wenger can’t have it both ways. The next time he complains that Arsenal cannot compete with the free-spending English clubs that win trophies, he should be reminded that he does not even spend what he has." Or perhaps he has spent what he has. Maybe the owner and board (ie the people who decide this sort of thing) are giving him limited budgets and financial wriggle room to work with. The fact Arteta took a pay cut to join us from a practically bankrupt Everton probably suggests that our wage structure is an issue. To think the manager is responsible for that is just plain silly.

  40. Vip

    Sep 01, 2011, 13:20 #12340

    Kev, the AKB's are coming out of the woodwork again!! Wenger shot himself in the foot with a possible deal for Edan Hazzard and possibly should have gone for M'Villa. Maunure, Citeh and Chavs wont exactly be quaking in their boots but at least we might compete with the Scousers for 4th.

  41. Gooner girl

    Sep 01, 2011, 13:05 #12338

    There is no pleasing some people. Wenger can't win. The signings are what was required.

  42. Disillusioned Tom

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:52 #12337

    Thankfully Wenger isn't an interinterior decorator. He has justb pained over the cracks. All that left over money and didn't go for Cahill, Samba, Jagielka etc ro shore up the very very leaky defense. Not to mention he waited till 3 games into the season to do any proper deals. 3 weeks in which we have lost 2 (one a thrashing)and drawn 1. Whinge? Yep I'll whinge and continue to do so till Arsenal concentrate a bit more opn the team and just a little less on how much profit they want to make.

  43. Taxi for Arsene

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:52 #12336

    100% Spot on and agree with every word said Kevin. Of course the usual delusional sheep will make noises but...transfer window has been a disaster. Signed a knackered Arteta: good player yes but hold on he had to take a wage cut from EVERTON??! No defensive coaches signed. Same old stale backroom. The striker situation is just a joke to be honest with you. These are ALL panic buys, there was clearly no plan in place and it took a royal arse-whooping for AW to do anything at all. Incompetent management. Arsenal are weaker. Where is the DCM? Song is ****. Frimpong is a kid who's proved nothing. Where is the centre-back to make sure we never have to see Djourou and Koscielny ever again? Or do you want to see more 8-goal horror shows! Where is the quality striker? WHY HAS WENGER MADE A PROFIT AGAIN! That's a disgrace. He moans about not being able to compete but yet keeps stacking hordes of cash away. I am in total agreement with you Kevin. This has changed nothing for me, because Wenger isn't the man to lead Arsenal and needs to go. EIGHT TWO!!!! Wenger Out.

  44. Gooner SA

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:45 #12331

    Am glad we have made some more signings. The only worry for me isn't that we haven't spent all the money available but that out of the four players signed in the last few days only half of them have played in the Premier League and will take longer to settle in. PL experience is invaluable.

  45. TENERIFE GOONER

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:25 #12326

    Find it hard to believe Arteta is taking a wage cut.

  46. Gooner70

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:23 #12325

    A mixture of positives and negatives. Positives: Potentially some very good players in positions we need. Arteta is a brilliant player, though I am concerned he is another injury prone player. (RVP, Vermeulen, Gibbs, Rosicky, Diaby, Walcott, to name but a few of our Injury Prone players already). Mertesacker also looks a great signing, we needed height, and boy have we got it... - Don't know much about Santos in truth, but need at LB desperately... Beneyoun will be a great impact sub, and has a lovely touch,,, definately won't get more than 60 minutes a game though, but will lay on some lovely balls for Walcott and RVP against tiring defences. Add to Wilshere, Vermeulen, Sagna, Gilvinho, Song and Frimpong returning we may have a really good team, (depending on how long it takes to gel) Negatives. - I feel a real sense of panic. - It also confirms to me that are definitely resigned to being a team now that competes for 4th spot and Europa League. --- We do not pay the salaries of the 3 top boys. If we had we'd have Mata, we may have Hazard (Who I believe is holding out for a Man C for Chels type salary), and we would almost certianly have looked at Snyder, and possibly held on to Nasri. Without paying those salaries for those type players, we will not attract the top boys or retain top talent over the long run. (I do not know who is at fault here, but I beleive AW wanted to raise our salary structure, but the board refused) . The other thing is that all sense of a system, method, structure has gone out the window: We never use to sign older players we use to sell them, in the past 2 days 2x29 year olds and a 31 year old have come in. - Perhaps its not a bad thing, but a club needs a system and structure, when it breaks down and it bacomes get who you can with no plan, then you are becoming an also-ran club, similar to the lot down the road, AV, Everton (Though perhaps they not even that anymore), Liverpool in recent years(though they seem to have changed under King Kenny)etc. Here's hoping it all works out OK.......

  47. rob

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:19 #12324

    Think you need help Kevin. Come back to the lightside its so much more fun!

  48. Any Old Iron

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:12 #12323

    Whilst you are correct in your appraisal of the clubs fiscal policy, and damn right in your disapproval, as am i, I am much happier knowing that we've added quality and experience. Mertesacker as a German international may be the best of the lot. Chelsea and ****ty though are proof that money talks and b**l***t walks.. We in all probability will fall short of the major prizes, because they've all strengthened further too. King Kenny's rebuilding is a grand affair, full of smiles. Chelsea are not going to go away either. We'll have to hope we get lucky I suppose, something we've not been too adept to considering the runners-up tally we've run-up. Last thought- Wenger: '' i'll only bring in players if they're better quality than what we have''. Yeah right!

  49. Brendan

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:08 #12322

    I agree. Much as Sundays result hurt it means that Arsene can no longer pretend that there isn't a problem.

  50. stuksta

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:04 #12321

    Here's a thought - doesn't Andre Santos keep Real Madrid's Marcelo out of the brazil starting XI?

  51. GoonerGoal!

    Sep 01, 2011, 11:59 #12320

    The Madhatter's Tea Party that is Arsenal Football Club continues on its merry way. A fit and regularly playing Arteta could be a plus, and certainly Mertesacker and Santos should be major improvements on those that have filled those positions so far this season. However, we will still be without any experienced, mentally strong, physical presence in front of our back four, and the loan deal involving Yossi Benayoun indicates just how much those who run our club are leading us from the pinnacle of the football heirarchy towards mid-table mediocrity. Why we would even want to borrow a player who has made less than half the starts (10) of our own Kieran Gibbs (22) since September 2010 totally escapes me. But one thing is certain, forget about being a selling club, it seems Arsenal have sunk so low in the Premier League pecking order that we are now officially a lower level loanee club like Sunderland, Bolton, Wigan and Spurs!

  52. Croker

    Sep 01, 2011, 11:59 #12319

    I genuinely believe Arsenal have tried to secure the best English/Premier League talent but have resisted paying prices grossly inflated by petrol and Russian money. If Ivan Gazidis told Phil Gartside to take a hike after the way Gartside went public over Cahill negotiations that's a good thing. I don't have a problem with either of these approaches nor with the quality of the new faces signed by Arsenal. What I do have a problem with though is leaving all the transfer business right up until deadline hour and not rebuilding from when the window opened. The Old Trafford humiliation showed the price paid for lacking a settled Arsenal side (besides many other horrors of Arsenal's own making)and valuable weeks have been wasted. We also still lack an out and out goal scorer and that is where Arsene should really have (been allowed to??)splash the cash. Van Persie has a fantastic goal scoring record but I feel he's wrong in that lone striker role and he needs more support up front. And lay off hammering the Ed please as he's a passionate Gooner just like the rest of us. His only 'crime' is to make himself accountable for his views via this website.

  53. Dorset Gonner

    Sep 01, 2011, 11:53 #12318

    Ed - The other week you moaning that Arsene hadn't signed anyone, now that he's signed 2 defenders and 2 midfielders (what the fans wanted) your moaning that we didn't sign Wesley Sneijder for silly money that breaks our wage structure (where you thinking about turning the babe gallary section of your website into a pay-per-view style Babe TV, you could then use the profits to help pay Sneijder wages?). Very easy to critise, so who would you have signed instead?

  54. Highbury Hero

    Sep 01, 2011, 11:45 #12317

    Does anyone know how much Arteta was on at Everton? I understand Arsenal cannot compete with Manure, Chelski and ****ty when it comes to player salary's but im surprised that Everton had Artera on a salary that we could not match! Anyway lets hope the new signings lift the gloom that has surrounded Arsenal these past few months.

  55. Oliver Chessis

    Sep 01, 2011, 11:34 #12316

    Have to disagree with the negativity Kevin. Some good signings I think, especially Arteta and Per M. I think you've highlighted Wenger's point here about not looking at how much we spent. We could have spent more on the same players and it seems you would have been happy, as we would have fewer funds in the bank. Personally, I think 10mill for Arteta and Mertesacker are bargains, especially considering Phil Jones and Cahill at 15-16mill, and Crouchy for 10

  56. Ron

    Sep 01, 2011, 11:33 #12315

    We needed a CB - We ve got one. We needed a LB - We ve got one We needed a creative middle man - We ve got one. We ve needed another forward - We ve got one. Why condemn before youve seen the product. If you were expecting marquee signings at this late stage youre deluded. OK, maybe there are certain question marks v perhaps each player, but im sure ,Mertesacker is as good as your Cahills and Samaba's both of whom have looked mugs on many occasions during their carerrs, Cahill only last week end v Liverpool as his last cameo. Hes not got Prem experience admittedly, but where are the international Caps of Messrs Samba and Cahill? Arteta, albeit with a few injuries over the last 12 months has always been a very good player in my book. Cant speak about the Brazilian as id never heard of him, but id wager hes no worse than Mr Clichy.

  57. Big Dunk

    Sep 01, 2011, 11:31 #12314

    David, Mr Wappers, Karen - spot on! I nearly stopped reading this website because, of late, its been a toilet bowl of crap articles written by doom-mongers... We've been crying out for experienced players to help our youth along and thats what we've got! Stop moaning! We are never going to pay £50M and £200k a week for a 'superstar' but look at the areas we have strengthened with some talented players. Christ you lot drive me mad! Oh, and one last thing... if you're planning on going to games just to moan, please don't bother. Stay at home and let somebody else go who has a positive attitude! I thank you.

  58. Belfast Gooner

    Sep 01, 2011, 11:30 #12313

    One of the previous posters mentioned economic illiteracy, and he was right. I am just glad that none of you guys runs a business I work in! Transfer fees are only numbers on a page. The big thing for any business in times of economic downturn, other than operating profit, is cashflow. Arsenal has gone for a self-sustaining model, where cashflow is dependent on there being money in the bank to pay for things. So notwithstanding the Board's pronounements about what is available, which frankly I have given up believing, if we look at this summer's intake - Fabregas - £35m. In total, yes, in cashflow, no. We only got something like £14m upfront, another £14m is due in October, and the remaining money comes year on year for six years. Bearing in mind Barca are still paying us for all the other players they have taken from us, they are hardly the most reliable payers in the world. So forking out a shedload of money now on the off-chance all our debtors will come good is nonsense. We couldnt afford Mata because we had no cash at the time they wanted it. And we obviously have a model where we don't go to silent Stan asking for a loan for a couple of weeks until we get the money in (bearing in mind we don't make money during the summer). So it is hardly Arsene's fault if he goes to the bank it is bare. To me, our transfer signings are probably at the top end of what we can afford cash-wise, right now.

  59. CD

    Sep 01, 2011, 11:27 #12312

    Who knows what a difference these last minute buys will make, and only time will tell. My observation though is had we drawn or narrowly lost on Sunday how many of these players would have arrived yesterday? It does smack of last minute desperation, after the humiliation of Old Trafford. The other point which was raised in a recent article is that unless we actually do some basic coaching on how to defend, these players won't make a scrap of difference anyway. In fact you could argue that the real transfers needed were a complete change of coaching staff, in particular defensive. If I had read this morning that for eg Keown or Bould had replaced Rice, and Bergkamp or Seaman/Lehman had also been added to the coaching staff I would have felt a lot more optimistic than how I feel now despite the additions to the squad. At the end of the day as Kevin correctly points out we have yet again made a profit on player trading, which under normal circumstance should be applauded, but not when we are clearly going backwards!

  60. Ronster

    Sep 01, 2011, 11:21 #12311

    You all forget Arsenal were top dogs in the 1930s.This was achieved by appointing a manager with a winning mentality in Herbert Chapman who had previously led Huddersfield Town to a hatrick of titles.''Arsene Who'' had a penchant for falling short before his appointment and has more often than not lived up to this reputation.Chapman also had a formidable backroom team as shown by the successful managerial successions of George Allison (following Herbert's death in 1934) and later Tom Whittaker.The Arsenal board also gave the highly skilled and ferocious Chapman the funds to repeatedly smash the British transfer records.Ambitious clubs like Man Utd,City and Chelsea will find ways round any financial play rules.If silent Stan is not prepared to release the money...then roll on the russian.Are you happy that Arsenal ply their trade in a 60,000 stadium based in a world class city with not one European Cup to it's name!?

  61. chooper4001

    Sep 01, 2011, 11:20 #12310

    I like these signings. All of them over the age of 25. Two of them national captains. Mertesacker has got a brilliant defensive brain by all accounts, something our defense is badly short of, and what Arteta lacks in Cesc's passing ability (and lets be honest there are very few who are better) he makes up for in EPL nouce (something Cesc was always short of). Arteta was the star player of a largely defensive minded team, that has been top 6/8 now for several years by battling for results. EXACTLY what we needed. Not sure about Santos, but give him a chance. He's only cover anyway.

  62. Adrian Wagenaar

    Sep 01, 2011, 11:05 #12309

    Our passing game should suit Arteta more than the way Everton play so if he keeps injury free he could give us the craft we need. Any player who takes a wage cut to move to further his career must be given a chance! Still somehow think we will get Cahill at a lot less money than being asked at the moment. The signings have been made in the wake of the thrashing at OT so let us hope we can make a fresh start and get Jack back ASAP.

  63. Dave

    Sep 01, 2011, 11:01 #12308

    Very disappointing transfer window summed up in your article and i totally agree Alan McKenzie, we lose 1 World class player and another half way (Fabregas & Nasri) and replace them with Arteta & Benayoun?? Get real, although our defence has been strengthened (on paper at least) we are weaker now in other areas, talk about the chicken and egg. I'm sure Arteta was a panic buy, I just wssh Wenger and the board would have grown a pair and got Hazard or Benzema to show intent. We'll be mid-table this season and I'm starting to hate the board more than wenger as we as fans do not care about profit margin etc, we care about passion, quality and a will to sweat blood for AFC.

  64. Schia

    Sep 01, 2011, 10:57 #12307

    I've been as negative as the next man in recent years, but I can't help but feel excited about the Arteta signing. He's a player that I've wanted at the Arsenal for years, and now we've got him. I also think Yossi could be awesome (if, and I know it's a big 'if', we can keep him fit). If I can start showing some optimism, anyone can. Give it a try, Kevin.

  65. GoonerRon

    Sep 01, 2011, 10:41 #12305

    Holy **** this is so negative. You talk about Arteta getting injured but if you bothered to look apart from one season he has consistently played 30-40 games per season Everton who have barely played any games in Europe or progressed to latter stages of cup competitions. As for him taking a pay cut, shouldn't we be applauding the negotiation on this? Did it 'say a lot' when Cesc took a pay cut to go to Barca? you can't have it both ways. As for those saying we didn't spend enough, the transfer fees don't mean a lot to me. Mertesacker would have been a lot more had he had longer on his contract and so would Arteta if he was 5 years younger, but then he wouldn't have as much experience. We all wanted players who could hit the ground running and could help bring our younger players along and we got two proven PL players and three others with over 150 international caps between them, and all aged 26-31. A good bit of business I'd say, but as always with any transfer (irrespective of the fee involved) the proof is in the pudding. Let's wait and see shall we?

  66. james gunner 4ever

    Sep 01, 2011, 10:24 #12304

    good work wenger we will back you when you make the right decisions. but do we have to be beaten 8-2 i repeat 8-2 for you to sit up? that is bad judgement for an experienced manager like you-anyway. to the writer of this articler i urge him to be more positive as big names alone dont make a good football team see torres and chesea fo e.g

  67. win AFC

    Sep 01, 2011, 10:17 #12303

    Kevin has a point and we all have a right in what we say, The fans have a right to moan about the club after what as happened last season plus the 8-2 defeat.The signings might be good or bad time will tell. Remember one thing everybody on this web site care about our club ARSENAL FOOTBALL CLUB

  68. Harold

    Sep 01, 2011, 10:14 #12302

    What's happened is the worst case scenario. Wenger is dragged kicking and screaming into the transfer window, buys a few last minute second-choice players (including a loan deal and a player that Wenger would only buy if he took a wage cut!) that may be good enough to make top four again but no higher, some fans who wanted him out on Monday now want him to stay and we carry on treading water and sitting on our (still) massive transfer pot for the next 3 years until Wenger's contract runs out. The next crisis will be up front and it'll take him forever to sort that one out too.

  69. Stuart

    Sep 01, 2011, 10:05 #12301

    I think that's a very accurate piece. Without a shadow of a doubt, the money is there but it's not being spent. You are correct about Wenger wanting it both ways too. It sounds ungrateful but this transfer window was a let-down for those of us paying increased ticket prices and embarrassing for the whole club when they are seen to be scrabbling around desperately as the clock ticks down.

  70. mk

    Sep 01, 2011, 10:02 #12300

    Why do people forget that many players could not be signed before our champions league fate was determined, and one simple example is Arteta, and of course we waited for Barcelona to get Cesc which dragged for a long time cuz Barcalona wanted to get him for less than our asking price, and then the Nasri saga started, so please stop asking why we left it out so late in the window

  71. John Aderotimi Bishopton

    Sep 01, 2011, 10:02 #12299

    I quite agreed with you what we have on the board of Arsenal are business men who are after their investment not the happiness of their supporter who labor and paid much to watch their darling club play

  72. Andreas

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:58 #12298

    There were injury concerns over cesc as well. Defencesively we are stronger, which is what we wanted. We have more strength in depth in the midfield. We have bought two players that will hit the ground running. Agree it is not the top quality but targets such as Hazzard, M'Villa and Goethe are 19-21, which is what we want to move away from. I wouldn't put Arteta, Benayoun, Mertesacker, and Santos in the Kwiksave bracket, more in like Sainsbury's. Sneijder would not have plugged the defensive problems and is on £250k a week. The board not Wenger sets the wage budget. Finally, surely Arteta is better midfielder than Parker who also is an injury threatened player. They are very good purchases for the club.

  73. Andrew Cohen

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:53 #12297

    Well, someone got Arsene Wenger's arm, pushed it behind his back, and kept shoving upwards until it really really hurt, and then, when the pain was really so bad that he felt his arm was going to break, he began to address problems and issues which should have been addressed not months, but years ago. The problems at the club are structural. The evidence is there for all to see. The German will, if he has anything about him, insist that proper defensive procedures are implemented, and it can be assumed that Sagna, Vermalen and newbloke will be happy for that to happen. With defensive solidity will come a few wins. The point is, as with Fabregas getting Wenger out of the mire week in and week out, that you shouldn't expect your players to have to sort out issues on the pitch which should have been addressed with proper training and preparation. The 8-2 loss, PROVES, I repeat PROVES, that our coaching staff are not up to it. The signings will probably help, but we need a top to bottom clearout in management. The AKB's can get excited if they like, but come the time when the prizes are handed out, we will be the boys with only a lap of appreciation to look forward to. The manager has to go, and the quicker he does, the sooner we can look forward to something.

  74. Matty S

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:43 #12296

    You wearing ****-tinted glasses or something? Come on, its not Kaka and Cahill, but we got some experienced quality signings for good prices. Mertesacker's arguably as good as Samba, and Mikel Arteta is probably worth about 15 million.

  75. Yanto

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:39 #12295

    Agreed, neither Arsene nor the Board can say 'we have no money' that excuse has now sailed over the horizon. I was hoping that we might still get in another CB (Cahill or Jagielka) and that would be rock solid. Also a "Top, Top Striker" we had the money.....so time will tell. One of the Postives from these signings is (I mean besides getting shot of denilshyte.bendybollocks and vela - only loan sadly)and a once promising, but much lacking Traore, is that Mertesacker, Young and Arteta are not only experienced, but all 3 at some point (for periods of time)have held a captaincy for their club or country. TV5 IS a born captain in my opinion and so him along with Mertesacker barking instructions at those prone to fall asleep at the wheel (Arshavin, Walcott, Song and Diaby) should help enormously. This just might work. Sadly I don't think a prem title is possible, but top 3 or 4 errrmmmmmm......which in itself is a step down from what we 'should' be capable of and aiming for. fingers and toes firmly crossed.

  76. Panic Panic Panic

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:38 #12294

    wenger panicked, the club panicked after the humili8tion. dont credit them with knowing what they are doing because they absolutely do not. they are running from fire to fire and i still maintain they will regret not putting in british backbone in the form of cahill and parker who were both clearly available to come at the right price with the right presentation. seeing arsenal behave like this these days is very sad. no style, no secret top deals, the best players dont want to come, a manager who is morose, depresssed, opposite of a good leader

  77. JJB

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:38 #12293

    You whinging b**tard! This was far from a perfect transfer window and we are all frustrated that we didnt get the marquee signing we had wanted. Typical of this site to start slagging off the new signings before they have kicked the first ball, pathetic article!

  78. Website Editor

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:37 #12292

    for those doing the maths on sneijder, the cost you look at is the transfer fee and the first season wages. his future wages are paid through the club's operating profits, which with £3m per game, will easily cover his salary. are you telling me that arsenal will make a financial loss this season, now they have made the CL group stage? as for getting behind the team, i do this in the stadium during matches. outside of it i attempt to make objective comment. is the squad we have now an improvement on that which finished 4th last season? in defence, probably, but that is surely outweighed by the weakening going forward. fabregas and nasri were worth £59m. gervinho and arteta just over a third of that. do the maths. the fact is that the club have not utilised the money available to them, and that is the point i am trying to make. for those that like to read dereliction of duty painted as good news, try www.arsenal.com

  79. andy m

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:35 #12291

    Terrible article, not based around anything factual...where does this original 35m come from? Maybe we could assume that was allways going to be the money from Fab? if you want to support a big spending money machine then Man City are just up the road. We are not in the same mould as these clubs and neither have we ever been a Man U or a Liverpool over the course of time. People over inflated opinion of the greatness of this club are because of the success that Arsene Wenger has brought us over 15 years in charge! Before this we were a good club who picked up the odd trophy but not a great club. Despite my passion for the club you have to be realistic. Does it ever cross your minds that maybe, just maybe its not Wenger whos the problem but the power struggle in the boardroom. Its not Wengers personal transfer fund, he doesnt sign the cheques.

  80. Sam

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:34 #12290

    think you're hooked on gloom mate. Arteta's a terrific player, very creative and experienced and may well stay fit. Not as if the youngsters Arsene signs are exactly always fit is it? Arteta's Basque, more than he's Spanish (these things matter to Basques). Go to the ground with a banner ONGI ETORRI MIKEL - means welcome Mikel. Benayoun's on a 1 year loan deal so will be keen to prove his worth. Mostly it's Wenger tearing up his youth only policy that's been so disastrous and that's worth a drink in itself. Or several drinks.

  81. Peter Wright

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:23 #12289

    So so negative. With the spending power of the Manchester clubs and Chelsea, fourth place will always be a great season. This year it will be a battle with Liverpool to achieve this. I think we Arsenal fans should get realistic.

  82. Amos

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:18 #12288

    The problem about spending everything now, as you seem to suggest is good business, is that unless, as an operation relying on it's own revenues, you can guarantee to make a profit out of footballing operations alone (taking into account the higher wage bills implicit in spending everything) you are probably knackered for the next two or three summer transfer windows at least. You conclusion is one for the economically illiterate.

  83. Jon

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:18 #12287

    Arteta is such a good signing people forget that! He is top, top drawer. It's just cause he's from Everton and it's not all glamorous. If he was bought from Madrid, we'd all be loving it!

  84. GOONERPORNSTAR

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:14 #12286

    Let's play our first game with our new look squad before you start moaning come on get behind the team. Enough negativity has been put on this season already its time we got behind our MIGHTY GOONERS.

  85. dh

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:13 #12285

    Arteta had to take a wage-cut (from £70k to £60k) to join us according to the Sun. For me this confirms that the real problem is the wage-structure imposed by the board. No wonder players like Mata wont join if they can get double or triple wages at other clubs.

  86. Mike

    Sep 01, 2011, 9:06 #12284

    Four good signings even if they are at bargain prices - Mertesacker may be a bit slow, but so was Adams. Much better than Cahill. Don't know much about the Brazilian, but Arteta is as good as you are going to get - Everton valued him at 20 mill and he took a wage cut to play for Arsenal - complete opposite to Nasri- All in all, in my opinion very shrewd signings by Wenger - but as you say time will tell -much happier with the squad - I now feel it is stronger than the one that ended last season (once everyone is fit TV, JW and back from suspension AS, Gervinio)

  87. dorsetgooner

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:57 #12283

    I think perhaps Kevin needs to get on the prozac he seems clinically depressed. Lets just get behind the team and new players. I'd take our new German freund over cahill and all the others mentioned. A new left back we all wanted...done. Premiership experience asked for....done. We're not Citeh, Utd or Chelski, we are THE Arsenal. Be proud

  88. Chris

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:56 #12282

    Were Inter not asking more than £30m for Sneder? And his wage demands were reported to be north of £220k per week. So a three year contract would cost £63m - therefore not possible to afford him with £52m.

  89. The Treasurer

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:52 #12281

    I have to say that i'm not impressed with signings during this transfer window. All of these signings are typical Arsenal transfers, with the majority of the players costing less than £10m. The players that we have brought in are good, but maybe not good enough. Mertasacker looks like a good buy, but what ever happened to our links with Jalgeilka, Cahill and Samba. I confess that i have not seen Santos play, but i would have preferred Leighton Baines or Enrique. Arteta and Banayoun aren't bad either, but again i would have liked to have seen M'Villa, Hazard or Scott Parker brought in. I'm not really too sure about Chu Young Park either. Looking at the transfers, you can't help but think that there is a serious issue with the finances. I'm beginning to think that there is not as much money in the kitty as Arsenal would like us to believe. For many years now, we have bought low and sold high, thus making a huge profit for the club. Any club that did have loads of cash would spend it like Manure, Citeh, Chelski and the Mickey Mousers have this summer. I think the club should be honest and admit that will never have the money to compete with the other top clubs in this league.

  90. Alan Mackenzie

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:42 #12280

    Spot on. Not happy with the signings really. We lose Nasri and Cesc for huge amounts, and bring in Benayoun (on loan!) and Arteta, and leave bags of money in the bank, this seems like a wasted transfer window, and a sad year of decline for AFC. The statementd at the end of last season were on shifting on dead wood and improving the squad. I don't see that as having been achieved. I see a slightly more experienced, but weakened squad, and a huge profit doing nothing for the club

  91. Nicholas Coupland

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:40 #12279

    I am really pleased with the signings. I know we havn't signed the Sneijders's of this world. I also don't know why we have waited until the last day of the window to finally go out and sign the players when 1) the players were available and 2)the season started 3 weeks ago. But please Kevin, we are all Gooners and for once just get behind the team and club. This continued negativity is not going to do anyone any favours. The team and new players especially now need our full support. I am p*$$ed that we pay over the top for our season tickets but if i resented it that much i just wouldn't renew.

  92. Yobra

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:35 #12278

    Why do you have to ignore the wage structure? i think we need to expand our structure before we start complaining of the balance left in the kitty.

  93. BIG ADD

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:35 #12277

    There is no pleasing some people. Not sure how you work out that we could afford Wesley sneijders money with a reported £200,000 a week. Thats at least 30 mill up front and 10.4 mill a year so would we have had to sell after a year incase we cannot afford the money and do not want him to leave after a year??? It then means the rest of our players can expect more money. Why cannot people accept that we do not have the spending money of City, Chelsea pr Man utd. All being supported by sugar daddys. If thats what you want why not support one of them? Arteta will be a great signing as will benyoun. Santos and Metsecker is exactly what we had all wanted. As for shopping in quicksave you need to open your eyes and actually look at what Wenger has done. All of these players can and will hit the ground running which is what we needed (Except the Korean guy)With all the players comming back we now have a strong squad and a team that will be more battle hardened and able to challenge. We also have money for January if we need it!!!

  94. aj

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:33 #12276

    It took him the club's worst result in 115 years to go out and buy some players.We all new he would make a profit.Maybe he should be running a bank. At least these players should help us move forward from Sunday and generally give the squad and the fans a boost.Of course if he really wanted to make a statement he should have gone for Sneijder but Wenger would never do that.

  95. Hamza Ali Baksh

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:27 #12275

    Just thinking... Arsenal have fallen short when the pressure was on at the back end of recent seasons... Would it not be a worthy exercise to look at what happened to players who have won major honours at one club then moved on to another club to see if these players' winning mentality has significantly lifted their new clubs (regardless of the player's actual quality) That way, perhaps we could use the criterion of 'winner' as a valid trait to judge a player's quality, together with his technique, leadership etc etc. Like you state above, Arsenal usually shops at BargainMart, and winners (unless they're fast closing in on their sell-by date) don't usually sell at BargainMart, so I'm not sure this will ever factor into an Arsenal list of positive qualities in a player, but i just wanted to share the thought.

  96. Richard Ansell

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:26 #12274

    Totally underwhelmed Kevin - these last minute panic buys just confirm to me that Wenger has to go. Another season of mediocrity beckons with one or two good results here and there allowing Wenger to pretend that everything is alright before the next disasterous result. Trouble is the Board need to be sacked too and replaced with the likes of Dein and Usmanov who would at least move heaven and earth to get Arsenal back where they should be and not a bargain basement feeder club that they are now.

  97. Karen

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:24 #12273

    Same old whinging and bitching get a life and be happy for once

  98. mr wappers

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:22 #12272

    Please stop your moaning. I was at the Emirates last night cheering on the fact we have signed Arteta. Where were you ? Were you at home writing this pessimistic article. Call yourself a fan !

  99. Disagree

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:21 #12271

    You give Sneijder that kind of money and guess what Van Persie's going to ask for when his contract talks come up. It will spiral out of control from there.

  100. David

    Sep 01, 2011, 8:21 #12270

    ****ing hell, talk about negativity. Arteta will be a GREAT signing

  101. Neil

    Mar 04, 2011, 9:45 #2854

    Simon it was the headline of your column,Bendtner and Chamakh work well together.That got everyone worked up.This is after a game against shit lower league opposition.If you are going down that line you would play Average and Squillaci as they didnt do nothing wrong against the mighty Orient!!!!

  102. thatsimonrose

    Mar 03, 2011, 15:39 #2815

    Some crazy-ass comments here! Some people need to read the blog more closely. I'll reiterate: I never said that Bendtner and Chamakh are Messiahs, they aren't, but they are the best we've got for a while so let's make the most of them. Nothing wrong in looking for positive trends, people.

  103. si

    Mar 03, 2011, 15:00 #2813

    let's not get carried away, Bendtner is inconsistence personified and will never be world class player he has been afforded every opportunity by Wenger, most of his "good" work is done on the wing, were he has no one to cross to as he is the target man, Chamakh lacks both speed and a shot, so will never be a starter, but, a least he plys is trade where a striker should and ties up the central defenders and is a v good foil for others, but playing them together won't work

  104. brian

    Mar 03, 2011, 14:48 #2812

    Chamakh looks fucking lost.And is it any wonder when he has to play with the shit of our B team.Here is a guy who carried our attack for the first 4 months of the season now he is playing alongside crap like Eboue Squillaci Denilshit Rosicknote and Billy Bighead.Is it and wonder his form has dropped.

  105. Sheriff

    Mar 03, 2011, 12:40 #2807

    Work as a pair?? LOL...A hatrick against Leyton Orient for Bendtner confirmed what I have always said, hes not a striker good enough for Arsenal, hes a midtable to Championship striker..and 95% of the time, he fails to do so

  106. Tony

    Mar 03, 2011, 11:06 #2802

    This article has to be a piss take.We beat an awful Orient team and we have found the new Radford/Kennedy and Bergkamp/Henry.Do me a favour.What next keep Average Al in goal for Sunderland.We only did last night what we failed to do in the first game.What you failed to say was Chamakh and Billy Big Bollox have found their level.Its this type of burying your head in the sand that holds this club back from winning trophies

  107. chris dee

    Mar 03, 2011, 9:45 #2791

    Blimey Simon!We've found a great new partnership on the evidence of a 5-0 win over mighty Orient? Come on mate Glen Helder and Christopher Weah would have had a field day last night. When the dynamic duo destroy Barcelona or United in the 6th round of the F A Cup or score 20 odd goals between them for the rest of the Premiership season then I will be impressed. The only players that impressed last night were Miquel,in his second game and Henderson who was starting his first game.The rest of the players only did what the bloody hell they should do against a team like Orient. Bendtner and Chamakh playing together 'And I can't see United or Barcalona appreciating that'. Yeah sure,they're both quaking in there boots.Theories and wishful thinking are all very well,but as the man said over and over 'show me the money!'

  108. Ian

    Mar 03, 2011, 9:34 #2790

    If Chamakh turned and ran towards goal for a change I could handle him playing. He doesn't.

  109. thatsimonrose

    Mar 03, 2011, 9:01 #2789

    Read again Theo, it's about spotting trends, I'm not claiming they're double Messiahs. Great name by the way.

  110. Steve

    Mar 03, 2011, 8:57 #2788

    Ooh! ooh! 0 we're suddenly good again! This was Leyton Orient. LEYTON ORIENT. Feel free to post these sentiments again once we've been to Stoke, Spurs, West Brom etc.. Nothing happended last night that should not have happended in the first game. Gooners of all generations know that with this group of players one swallow certainly does not make a bloody summer! Oh, and Chamakh was shit. Again.

  111. Angelo

    Mar 03, 2011, 8:55 #2787

    @ Theopants Superstar Maybe he did over-done the article a little bit, but I'm happy that somebody wrote a positive article after so much (mostly rightful) moaning. Well done Arsenal. Keep up the good work. Come on gooners.

  112. Seven Kings Gunner

    Mar 03, 2011, 8:43 #2786

    I don't think Barry's ego will allow him to play with anybody - seriously he has to be the one in a 4-5-1 until RVP comes back. We cannot play 4-4-2 against Barca - that would be suicide. If Cesc does n't make it we need the midfield three of Song, Wilshere & Nasri and if you want to throw a "curve ball" I'd play Gibbs with Clichy in front of him, we might hold the line better with Gibbs and Gael has some pace. I know he cannot cross a ball but he might win us a few corners and should track back a bit better than Andrey. Chamakh's is clearly struggling with the pace of English football but has enough to come back next year.

  113. AugustusCaesar

    Mar 03, 2011, 8:39 #2785

    I thought after scoring so early in the game last night Chamakh may have clawed back some confidence and shown us what he did in patches in the first few months of the season...but, he still looks a little lost to me. I think he basically has a good touch (there was one ball he took superbly out of the air last night) and is a reasonable finisher when opportunities present themselves but he lacks confidence and seems overrawed to be wearing an Arsenal shirt. So many times he has the ball played in to his feet and regardless of whether there is a player on him he nearly always wants to lay it off first time. His actions are pre-determined. A good player assesses whether he has time to turn, should hold it for a couple of touches or indeed lay it off first time. Chamakh has reasonable pace, is a willing runner and is a decent header of the ball but he's far from the finished article. Is he here merely to give us 'a different option'? I'd like to say he's a 'work in progress' but the guy is 27. It's not too late to improve I suppose and it is his first season in the Premier League but I remain unconvinced by Chamakh.

  114. Terry

    Mar 03, 2011, 7:59 #2783

    Its a disgrace.How did Messi beat Billy Bender to World Player of the year? Did you see how he took apart the world class defender of division 1 team Orient? We are so lucky to have the worlds greatest striker at our club.The PFA player of the season awaits him

  115. AM

    Mar 03, 2011, 6:51 #2782

    I'm hugely disappointed that Van Persie will miss the Barcelona game, I think he has been a great finisher for us and will definitely be missed at the Nou Camp. But here's hoping that Bendtner and Chamakh will pick up the slack and lead us to the next round of the champions league. If not, then we can always try and go for the double... which in my view is more winnable.

  116. Theopants Superstar

    Mar 03, 2011, 0:23 #2781

    I think you've over-done the analysis a bit there Simon. They work as a pair? lol.