A long time coming

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A long time coming

Andre Santos: Definite improvement


For all those Gooners cheering this morning at our five signings since Sunday, I say this: give thanks to ManU for the 8-2 spanking. If, by some miracle, the patched up team which went to Old Trafford on Sunday had escaped with a draw or an honourable one or two goal defeat, we would not have had five signings – one or two maybe, but not five.

That said, I like the sound and look of all five, not that I have any special insight into Park or Santos, but the Korean captain and a Brazilian international will do fine for me; as will a 6ft 6 German defender with 70+ caps and two midfield players with Premier League experience. With their injury records I don’t think Arteta and Benayoun will last a full season, but nor will Rosicky, so maybe there is a cunning plan to alternate the three of them!

So we have eight new signings in the squad, plus Miyaichi, Frimpong and presumably Coquelin and Miquel promoted from within. Whither the Wenger mantra about not signing more than two or three because of the problems of integrating them all?! Some of the dross remains, Squillaci, Almunia and Diaby, but most of it has gone. I don’t expect to see Vela or Denilson again, but maybe Bendtner will grow up with a year away and come back a better player. And by the way, I’m sure that Park is simply a kneejerk reaction to the failure to get a work permit for Joel Campbell.

I am sorry to see Lansbury go as I would have liked to have seen him become an Arsenal regular; I don't know why he never got the chances that, say, Denilson did, but Arsene knows; mind you, on Lansbury, the Arsenal website says he signed a long term contract in 2010 which is not quite the same as having a year left as some reports suggest; maybe he will come back too. I hope so as he is, by all accounts, an Arsenal boy through and through and you need some of those in the team.

Arsenal could and should have bought these players – or others – much sooner and have had them integrated long before the season started, like ManU and ManCity did with their purchases. That they didn’t and instead went on an atypical splurge suggests that the balance of power – which was entirely with the manager at the start of the summer – has shifted. I am sure that the board said we have to buy and we will buy; I don’t believe Wenger wanted all these players, but the reaction to the ManU defeat forced his hand.

Whether the new players will force a change in team organisation, training regime and overall structure will be interesting to see; the impact Mertesacker especially has on the defensive organisation of the team is something which I will watch with interest, assuming he arrives uninjured from the international break. As Simon Rose pointed out on this site the other day, signing players is not much use if you don’t have an appropriate strategy and structure for them to play in. A back four of Sagna, Mertesacker, Vermaelen and Santos has experience galore, so maybe when this lot are fit they can gel and organise themselves; but Jenkinson, Koscielny, Djourou and Gibbs are callow at best and out of their depth at worst. They desperately need the defensive coaching that a Keown or a Bould would be able to dispense in bucket loads.

Then comes the midfield conundrum; will we continue with the 4-3-3 of recent times, in which case, three questions spring to mind:

1: Who will be our defensive midfield cover in January/February when Song and possibly Frimpong head off to the ACN?

2: Who will play the Cesc role – Arteta? Benayoun? Rosicky? Ramsey? Jack?

And 3: how can we play 4-3-3 with RvP as the figurehead when he drifts deep and wide most of the time?

You have a better squad than you did last Sunday Arsene, now get it to work.


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  1. The Baron

    Sep 03, 2011, 11:27 #12430

    As previously mentioned by another Post, I sincerely hope this Park geezer isn’t simply here as a useful tool for selling shirts (like Inamoto)! According to a host of accounts, including the clubs off shore bank statement, we have a higher income than most countries in sub Saharan Africa! Seeking out even more useful sources of income doesn’t appear to be quite the priority it used to be in my opinion. According to an article in the Gooner Arsenal’s debt was halved by 2010 thanks to the Highbury development initiative. The decline is on the pitch. Between 1998 and 2005 Arsenal didn’t finish lower than 2nd. They’ve not finished higher than 3rd since. It’s a decline all be it a small one (soon to become larger I fear). Football clubs are run like businesses these days which we have to expect but to focus only on ‘the bottom line’ to the detriment of what is going on on the pitch is a dangerous game. Sunday proved that. I really don’t give a monkey’s about healthy accounts, good debt management, positive deficit inequity and a ‘healthy profit/loss portfolio double entry AAA++ credit rating’ from Wonga and Poor. I’m a football fan not an accountant. I support a team with the best pretax profits statement ever that got tonked 8:2 on Sunday, whoopee- doo everybody don’t it make ya feel good. I can hear hordes of dirty Mancs fans bleating, “oh how I’d swap at least 3 of those goals for an 11% reduction in our debt servicing”. They don’t give a tinkers cuss and waving a load of reject Norwich city scarves around wont put the fear of God into the Glaziers either. They’re too busy floating Man Ure on the Asian stock exchange for 600 Million. Do I want to see Arsenal winning things but constantly struggling with debt and the threat of collapse? No of course not. But I’m suspicious about this constant banging on from the board about good financial management. There’s good and then there’s ‘obsessive compulsive’

  2. HowardL

    Sep 02, 2011, 23:09 #12416

    I feel that at least we now have a 'team' to support

  3. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 02, 2011, 21:05 #12414

    @tony roberts agree with your team but subs flappy and djourou just hope we never need them mate.

  4. R Meade

    Sep 02, 2011, 16:28 #12408

    Big Dave no one believes we are entitled to win something every year and yes we were not a top four side when Wenger took over. But after the worst defeat in our history we are anything but a top four side! when Wenger took over he inherited top players Seaman,The Defence,Merson,Wright,Bergkamp if Wenger would have walked the next day after that humiliation he leaves only RVP in that company, yes maybe in the future Wiltshire,Vermaelen,Ramsey might join them not at the moment. It's just not good enough big changes are needed and have been needed for a while and the last two days have not changed a thing.

  5. Nick

    Sep 02, 2011, 10:54 #12398

    I really dont know what some people expected there is no "replacement" for cesc he was a one off we CANT compete with citeh or the chavs silly money,but we have got a lb and a ch built like a brick ****house with 77caps for germany who arnt a bad side and capt of bremen also not a bad side i think arteta is a class act no cesc but still a class act benayoun is a very good player as for the rest well have to wait and see when all the injured and suspended players are back we look now to have a very strong squad why we couldnt have done it sooner is probably down to cl qualification as much as anything and weve still got a huge amount of money left to use in jan if needed im still concerned about wengers tactics and ability to motivate but its time now to stop bitching and get behind the team COME ON YOU GUNNERS!!!!!!

  6. Tony Roberts

    Sep 02, 2011, 10:20 #12395

    Wenger makes mistakes and he should have signed a Mertesacker three years ago. We have not been good enough in the transfer market since David Dein left - bring him back please. However having said that I think we should give credit where credit is due: we do now have a stronger defense - we do now have competition for every place (except maybe RVP/Sagna - Bentner, Denilson and Vela are off the wage bill, we still have £50m to spend in January and Cahill is on a free next summer, our spine is also considerably stronger now with Szczsney + Merte/Verm + Song/Pong + Jack/Arteta and RVP. To be honest I think that our first team is in pretty good shape and I am definately looking forward to the Mancs coming to the Emirates and playing: Szczseny Sagna, Vermaelen, Mertesacker, Santos Song, Wilshere, Arteta Walcott, RVP Subs: Fabianski, Djourou, Gibbs, Frimpong, Rosicky, Arshavin, Gervinho

  7. Big Dave

    Sep 01, 2011, 23:58 #12389

    Wenger said (something like) a club who allows Fabregas and Nasri to leave lacks ambition. I suspect he wanted Nasri to see out his contract but the board wanted a fee for him. The thing that Wenger has done wrong is to raise fans' expectations that we're entitled to win something every year. We were not a top four side before his arrival. And given our resources (no oil money here) we need a clever boss like him to stay in the top four. I think the signings are the best we could have expected. You see what happens when we go after top players early, ¢it£h and ¢h£l$ki jump in with more money. That's just how it is I'm afraid. By the way, isn't Frimpong English?

  8. Joe S.

    Sep 01, 2011, 23:19 #12388

    Yes, Bob 3 Park is an unknown quantity in terms of how he will fare in the Premiere League. I saw all of South Korea's World Cup and Asian cup games to know that he works hard to get into good positons and then squanders too many opportunities. My disappointment is based on the assumption that we were trying to replace Nasri and have come up short. Why Park? and not any one of a similar number of players available. And of courese I'll be happyily wrong if he becomes Arsenal's buy of the season.

  9. Thommeny

    Sep 01, 2011, 22:59 #12387

    I agree with most of this, apart from jenkinson being callow and/or out of his depth, I feel other than the man u game where he was basically a lamb led to slaughter I've been very impressed at how comfortable he's looked in the prmier league and especially the high pressure crucial champions league game with Udinese, he's a star in the making

  10. chrisy boy

    Sep 01, 2011, 22:33 #12386

    the day captain birds eye ( ken bates ) sold chelsea to roman was the day football changed as we knew it in this country, player greed is there for all to see, nasri/adebayor. So there is no chance of a truly world class player coming to Arsenal as the likes of man city, chelsea and that funny sounding russian team that samuel et'o has signed for can blow us out of the water with the wages thay can offer. Yes wenger has his faults, yes the board are out of touch and just seem to be out for lining there own pockets but we need to be honest with ourselves the only players we are going to sign are the ones man u, man city and chelsea dont want, thats unless usminov is allowed to take ownership of the club, only then can we dine at the same table as those 3 clubs let alone barca and real madrid etc, lets get behind the team even if we do have an issue with wenger and the board. Thank you ken bates for selling out to the devil you have changed the beautiful game as we all once knew it.

  11. Parklife

    Sep 01, 2011, 22:21 #12384

    Dear bob3, how about ParkLife by Phil Daniels band i forget their name. songs for Arsenal ? Je ne regrette rien - wenger

  12. Bob3

    Sep 01, 2011, 21:07 #12382

    Why do I keep hearing people slating Park. Basically because you haven't heard of him he's average Joe with nothing to offer. You spout of as if you know what you're talking about when in fact you know very little about the player. Mark my words this player is quality and it won't take you long to realise this once he's out there in an Arsenal shirt. Why do you think French champions Lille wanted to sign him? He's Korean captain, led the line mostly on his own for a crap Monaco side last season and most importantly gives his all for the shirt (and jesus). This is exactly the type of player we need, the opposite of the couldn't care less Arshavin's and Rosicky's. We'd better start thinking of a song for him cos he's going to be a fans favourite. I don't know why people can't get over this stupid notion that any asian player is bought to sell shirts, as if the whole asian population are sheep waiting to be buggered by the next commercial venture into their land. Asian football has come a long way in the last 10 year's especially in Japan and Korea. There are a few useful players around these days - Ji Sung Park at United, Park, Lee Chung Young at Bolton (player of the year in 2010)and Keisuke Honda at CSKA (absolutely quality player that I thought Wenger would pull out of the hat yesterday), Ryo Miyachi....who knows scored for the reserves the other week.

  13. Dan h

    Sep 01, 2011, 19:35 #12379

    Mertesacker has the experience we need ideal age & if paired with a fit TV it should improve our ability to deal with set plays in both boxes.I can see him hopefully having the same impact Hangerland has at Fulham .I just hope he isn't too exposed to our high line of defending & let him do what he does best attack the ball & read the game.Arteta has been wrongly saddled with being injury prone at 29 he has had 1 real major injury in his career.Both imo very good signings the other three we will see.It at least gives the squad some depth wish it all could have been done earlier.I still believe the management need to sit down now the window has closed & look at the fact in future it benefits the whole club to get your business done early.They will sit back & also be pleased that once again incomings exceeded outgoings.

  14. jay

    Sep 01, 2011, 18:16 #12375

    just new bodies brought in to stop the rope coming out for Wenger and his cronies on the board.After all the dealings still a nice profit showing for the board.How many of our new signings would get anywhere near Man U,Chelsea or Man Citys Bench

  15. TheVerminator

    Sep 01, 2011, 17:23 #12372

    Ian, I like to read articles such as this one. Opinions are kept largely to a minimum and facts and questions are dealt with- so good article. But i have to question your assessment of this spending spree as the boards pushing, not Wenger's. I believe it to be the other way round, I believe the board have been unwilling to put their money where their mouth is (look at Arteta taking a 20,000 pay cut), and Arsene has protected his team and the board from the media by taking the criticism on himself, as I refuse to believe in talks of him being deluded. I believe sunday's defeat may have seen Wenger walk upstairs into a boardroom meeting and demand more transfers and use the 8-2 drumming as a reason for it. Whether or not these players will be good for arsenal is an exciting story yet to unfold, I am certainly happy with mertesacker, santos and arteta, let's also see how park and yossi do.

  16. Humili8tion

    Sep 01, 2011, 16:52 #12369

    i think there is tension between Wenger and the board and i dont think wenger respects the board's ability but he is doing his best to keep quiet about it as lets face it he is earning an absolute fortune now. however i also believe wenger does not have enough respect for british backbone type players and he still does not appreciate that you need them in the hurly burly of the EPL. if you cannot match up in the battle against the bolton, stoke, sunderland, etc then you get dragged down to their level and beaten. manu u, chels, city each have the squad to do that. i believe wenger will not surrender his principles just to see arsenal win a trophy

  17. Sam

    Sep 01, 2011, 16:18 #12365

    I wish we'd signed a proper striker. Someone who will actually be in the right place in the box when Santos et al put the ball in the middle. RVP is not an out and out striker and for how long can he keep us this amazing goalscoring record? Wenger chose to play the cumbersome Bendtner wide - I'm hoping Bruce will play him centrally so we can see if he is actually any good at all, because a wide player he surely ain't.

  18. Brigham

    Sep 01, 2011, 15:10 #12363

    I am fairly happy with the signings, particularly Mertesacker and Arteta. Both of these players are very experienced players and although Arteta is a tad injury prone, he will give our midfield some guile. He will also provide some much needed calming influence to the younger players and he is also very good at dead ball situations, with a great delivery. Tim Cahill benefited many times from his excellent delivery in the past. I am not so sure about the Korean and am happy to proved wrong, but I think he is a 'shirt seller' as others have already alluded to. Only time will tell on that one. Benayoun is other old head needed to help steer the ship through troubled waters and I see him being more helpful off the pitch (in training) and making the odd cameo appearance. He is a welcome addition all the same. No idea of Santos, not seen him play or even heard of him, but he has to be better than Gibbos or Traore surely? I am a lot happier today than I was on Bank Holiday morning, that is for sure.

  19. rippy

    Sep 01, 2011, 15:06 #12361

    lets get real these players were bought to stop us getting into a relegation battle. one or two more injuries to key players could have spelt disaster. confidence is a fragile thing among the young. Now i feel we can push on and go for fourth. possibly a good cup run. come on you gunners.

  20. Bobolancs

    Sep 01, 2011, 15:05 #12360

    ...who knows, maybe Arsene went to Old Trafford with his kamikaze game plan as he thought that would be the only way to make the board see how much his hands were tied with regards to his squad. He's already shown that he can and will play defensive against technically superior teams (against Barcelona last year).

  21. Joe S.

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:45 #12357

    I hope at least these five were the players Arsene Wegner wanted to buy and not the only ones left at the garage sale after the Old Trafford awakening. Then at least he will know why he bought them and how they will intergrate and strengthen the squad. Personally I think Arteta and Mertesacker were necessary while the other three have me shaking my head. Park in particular has nothing to offer this team. At 26 he is one of 50 or so average pkayers of similar ability floating around the European leagues, complete and with no room for improvement. Somewhere down the line there is some great material similarly to The Damned United adout the back room drama ( or lack of it ) of the last three months waiting to be turned into art. Because at present the club's willingness to sink into mediocrity leaves me rattled. Yes we need positivity more than ever. But this can only be achieved by the team bouncing back and then showing the fans that the Mark 4 Arsene Wegner Arsenal is in good hands and has a future.

  22. GoonerRon

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:31 #12355

    Lowey - 'Am I the only one to see that our highest priced signing was a 18 year old league one player?' What does that have to do with anything? Would you prefer Wenger offered £15m or £20m for Mertesacker just so we can say we've spent 'big' money? We got players in with a mixture of PL and international experience, which is what we needed.

  23. Gerry Lennon

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:25 #12354

    In answer to your 3 points at the end: 1,- Transfer window? Options may open up if teams are eliminated from the CL. 2,- The Cesc role was played by Cesc. Now we are talking about attacking midfielders. Wilshere(when fit) and Arteta(when fit), and Rosicky/Benayoun as back up and subs. 3,- With the Santos signing I would venture we are heading for a 5-3-2 line-up, as both Santos and Sagna are effectively wing-backs. The middle of this back 5 would include a defensive midfielder, which for the moment looks like being Song, although, while Wilshere is out I could see Koscielny there with Song supporting Arteta in the advanced role. The beauty of the 5-3-2 basic formation is that it is very flexible. Given that we have added a lot of pace to the side it gives option to counter attack rather than just pressing high up the pitch. With the odd substition you can add to the attack or defence, switching to a more conventional 4-4-2, or even a 3-5-2. And the miidle to front need not be that rigid either, with a 5-2-1-2 or even a 5-1-2-2/5-1-1-3. What I am saying is with a solid back line, and I do not see the point of 'alternating' the 3 centre-backs - You simply play the best pair, and that should be Mertesacker and Vermaelin? The wing-backs pick themselves, which leaves the defensive midfielder as the one open to challenge. Sadly, I think Ramsey's place is most vulnerable with these additions? The best about these signings is that it will give breathing space for the youngsters - Miquel, Cocquelin, Frimpong, AOC, Ryo Myaichi to develop without too much pressure. So this transfer window has the thumbs up from me.

  24. Matty

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:15 #12352

    OK so lets look at these signings 1 Benyoun.... failure at Liverpool, sold to Chelsea failed again and injury prone at both.....great another crock 2 Park..... Bought mainly to help develop the Asia market following the summer tour 3 Arteta..... another injury prone player bought on the cheap but is at least better quaklity than Benyoun and Park 4 Santos .... unknown quantity playing in Turkey brought in vecause Gibbs is injury prone 5 Mertesacker..... This one is top quality but I think that if he has to play with either Koscielny or Djourou he will be exposed. summery not a lot of cash spent, only 1 real Top quality player signed (Mertesacker) Worrying factor out of all of thses players signed just how many were rated so high that they were mentioned as being looked at by any other top club...answer nil. These acquisitions were enforced by the board as they paniced after the weekends disgrace against Man U.... this has hung Wenger out to dry as they can now say that they allowed him to make signings, but if no trophies and we fail to get into the to 4, they have the perfect excuse to replace him!! Wenger is on borrowed time and must now deliver, but has he got the squad, after all there is only Chamakh or Park to come in up front if Van Persie is injured and neither is in the same class.

  25. SilverGooner

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:09 #12351

    Overall, I am pleased with the 5 new signings over the last couple of days. At long last, Wenger has brought some much-needed experience into the squad. Why they had to leave it to the last minute is anyone's guess. Sadly, I don't think that Wenger has the tactical know-how to change the teams formation. If only he had brought a few new faces into the backroom staff as well!

  26. Arsene is a Fraudster

    Sep 01, 2011, 14:05 #12348

    The Arsene brigade will announce this transfer window with a great fanfare and excitement. Everyone else with a brain will see that aside from the 2 defenders, wenger has been a very, very poor buyer. Desperation is the word.

  27. Mike

    Sep 01, 2011, 13:50 #12343

    Good signings. I am pleased- for those crying out for Cahill or Samba, I have a feeling these guys were always staying put. How can Cahil be worth more than Mertesaker - even Spurs tried and they had no joy with Cahil despite the rumours that he wanted to leave. Arteta can be as good as anybody if he finds form - time will tell.

  28. Gooner_Bob

    Sep 01, 2011, 13:14 #12339

    I think the main issue has been the fact that we get the signings after the humiliation of last sunday, think you're right that a different result would have meant little change. I'm happy with what we've bought, let's hope they can work together and help bring along some of our great youngsters, time will tell I guess. It is a shame that Lansbury hasn't been given a chance, I hope he isn't getting a cold shoulder and does come back to prove himself. After not wanting another league match ever again after last week, I'm now looking forward to the swans coming to town :)

  29. Simon

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:50 #12335

    I don't think we'll see a change of system at all. I see Arteta being deployed in the Cesc role with Wilshere and Song alongside. The front 3 will alternate between a first choice of Gervinho, Van Persie, Walcott and Arshavin, Park, Benayoun. I think Arteta will knit our midfield together really well and the addition of Mertesacker and Santos will definitely improve our back 4. I am very optimistic of our chances to turn this season around and challenge for the league.

  30. Edd

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:49 #12334

    I see Benayoun, Arteta and Geviniho in the Arshavin/Walcott positions, with Ramsey staying in the Fabregas place. Wilshere would remain in the holding spot with Song/Frimpong/Emergency Panic Throw someone in there alongside him. Maybe Ramsey could drop back and Arteta replace him in the front of the 3, but I'm not sure how well Ramsey could fit to that role. Djourou used to play in the holding role, which could allow Wilshere more freedom, but I can't see that happening (thankfully).

  31. Lowey

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:49 #12333

    Am I the only one to see that our highest priced signing was a 18 year old league one player?

  32. Boris Godunov

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:45 #12332

    No matter how the new system works, at least it will work, whereas the old one simply didn't. Experience on the bench, more depth in squad, cover for injuries, stronger defense, more creativity up front, ****, I'm more optimistic than ever. God bless the Great Arse.

  33. Richard Ansell

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:43 #12330

    Some good points, Ian, and although I like both Arteta and Mertesacker, the loan deal for Benayoun smacked of last minute desperation. I can not for the life of me understand why AFC can not conduct their transfer business sooner. The lack of a proven, powerful big front man and a solid, experienced defensive midfielder really worries me and also when injuries kick in (which being Arsenal we all know they will) the back up players are just not up to it. God knows I want to be positive but my head tells me that we are treading water at best and at worst actually going backwards. Wenger MAY have done enough to keep us top four, and to keep himself in a job but is that the limit of our ambition now? Perhaps I have turned in to a fair weather fan now, but I just feel cheated that Arsenal don't aspire to greater things. We all got used to having such a great side and now it feels very much like after the Lord Mayors show.

  34. Jenari Exar Kun

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:40 #12329

    I think we signed Park not for his technical ability but his shirt selling potential in Korea - I hope that's not the case, only time will tell.

  35. Tom Martin

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:36 #12328

    RE: Lansbury. You say 'Arsene knows' regarding his ability, etc but if we have learned anything over the past few years is that he clearly doesn't know as much as he used to.

  36. oz

    Sep 01, 2011, 12:33 #12327

    cameroon might not even be in finals.i think djerou might end up playing that role or diaby.