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I don’t think anyone should underestimate the importance of Arsenal’s victory over Swansea yesterday. Performances can wait. What matters now is points. The club, after the experience at Old Trafford, need to regroup and effectively start again. The 8-2 defeat, at long, long last, put to bed the idealism of the manager’s youth experiment, a costly piece of self-indulgence that has seen the club go backwards since 2006. Five years on, the five newcomers in the death throes of the transfer window are a clear admittance that Arsène Wenger got it very badly wrong in his misguided vanity project.

Now, we are rebuilding from the wreckage – not only of the drubbing at the hands of Alex Ferguson’s younger team (who seem to be performing more than capably in comparison to Wenger’s) – but of five long years of decline. A period that has seen the club fall from title contenders to an outfit whose ambition is now to make the top four. No-one’s talking about a challenge for top spot this season. A huge part of the problem is obviously that the true rebuilding can’t take place until the manager and his backroom team (and in that I include the medical staff) are displaced. It was interesting to read an offering sent to the Arsenal Mailing List recently that Steve Bould had turned down the opportunity to replace Pat Rice (hence the tubthumper’s continued stay), because he felt the manager was a goner and that once he was booted out, he did not want to go with him, preferring to keep his job and see what developed. May of course be complete bullsh*t, but you could easily believe it.

I have heard talk of a Carlo Ancelotti/Martin Keown ‘dreamteam’ in the technical area, but I find the prospect unlikely. Wenger won’t be given the shove until next summer, and by that time, one imagines Ancelotti will have been approached for a job back in Italy. So we travel to Dortmund with the delightful prospect of Pat Rice looking up to the director’s box for guidance as to which substitutions to make, as he pathetically did during the home leg v Udinese. That is the quality of the coaching staff Arsene Wenger chooses to employ.

Fortunately, there will be a little more knowhow on the pitch. No-one’s worried about killing the careers of Denilson and Bendtner anymore. Who knows what proportion of their respective wages the club are still covering, but it’s safe to say neither is likely to appear in Arsenal’s colours again. Eboue, the clown in the dressing room and on the pitch, will be joked about for seasons to come, but ultimately, the joke is that he was retained by the manager for so long. Mertesacker and Arteta had decent debuts yesterday, although the quality of the opposition means that Tuesday evening will tell us a lot more. It was something of a surprise to see Marouane Chamakh come on for five minutes at the end of the game when the new Korean striker could have made an appearance. If that is an indication of the pecking order, we are in genuine trouble. Benayoun looked busy when he entered the fray. It was genuinely refreshing to see the effort expended by both he and Arteta in contrast with the sometimes lacklustre or unimaginative displays of too many Arsenal players of late. There is no question that things needed freshening up and a glut of new faces will do no harm whatsoever in that respect.

Performance-wise, Arsenal played like a mid-table team, needing a goalkeeping howler to secure the points. But ultimately, points are what matter at the moment. Wins will go a long way to slowly restoring confidence. The team need to focus very hard on winning the games they would be expected to as a side with aspirations of a top four finish. That means beating those sides that are likely to finish in the bottom half of the table both home and away. They really have to stop conceding cheap points, which is always a danger given the questionable solidity of the defence. Kieran Gibbs looked shaky at left back, and I cannot imagine he will remain ahead of the more experienced Andre Santos before long. People mitigate his defensive displays by citing Andrey Arshavin’s lack of assistance, but Ashley Cole had Robert Pires in front of him. Gibbs is in need of the kind of coaching he simply isn’t getting to develop as a defender, so there’s no blame attached, it’s just a matter of fact. One assumes Santos can do better against the quality of opponent Gibbs was struggling against yesterday.

Arsenal have a run of games that normally would not concern them greatly. Dortmund away is the toughest, but the home ties in the Champions League are the ones that will determine the club’s fate. Then it’s Blackburn away, the Carling Cup home tie, Bolton at home and the visit of Olympiakos before the end of September. It is important that the team can build momentum from this point on to salvage something from the season. They will have to perform a lot better than they did against Swansea, but winning when you play badly is no bad thing, and it is certainly something that hasn’t happened enough in recent seasons. So although yesterday afternoon’s game will not live long in the memory, thank goodness the Gunners won it, by hook or by crook.


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  1. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Sep 13, 2011, 12:34 #12702

    Win AFC - thank god your not a betting man or yu'd have lost you house, wife and kids by now,

  2. Richard Ansell

    Sep 13, 2011, 8:51 #12697

    GoonerRon - I take your points, but still maintain the CL is a non starter as we are nowhere near good enough. We may even fluke a decent domestic cup run if the draws are kind to us. Also I am not saying a top four position is impossible, but the thought of scraping home 4th, or winning the Carling Cup and Wenger claiming another successful season is not a good one.

  3. au revoir wenger

    Sep 12, 2011, 16:44 #12687

    mertesacker was poor and Arteta ineffective and Ramsey aint worth a carrot .

  4. GoonerRon

    Sep 12, 2011, 16:29 #12686

    Richard Ansell - you say 'I am afraid we need a disaster of a season (which looks increasingly likely).' On what basis do you arrive at this conclusion? Was it us crashing out of the CL qualifiers? Oh no, that didn't happen despite all the doom mongers and media saying it would. We've had a poor start in the league but have had two difficult away games and have ended up with 10 men in three matches. OK, our own fault but it happened. Last time I checked the league season was 38 games long so plenty of time yet. I also think we are still in the FA Cup, Carling Cup and a group we have every chance of qualifying from in the CL. You also want us to avoid a top 4 finish as this would make everything seem rosy in Wenger's garden. On the basis that no one expects us to finish in the top 4 couldn't this be seen as success, relative to the money being thrown about in the teams who are expected to finish above us?

  5. Brigham

    Sep 12, 2011, 15:11 #12684

    We struggled to break down a team who reminded my of Blackpool last season and we managed to score at will against that lot. We are totally devoid of ideas, we lack any cohesion at all and don't even get me started on our 'tactics!' Good point by Kenny @ 1503 yesterday as I too thought Clichy had improved his crossing ten fold. Strange that eh? Makes you wonder what our lot actually do in training and my bet is they pass the ball to death and see how many ligaments they can strain!

  6. Tom

    Sep 12, 2011, 13:43 #12678

    "That is the quality of the coaching staff Arsene Wenger chooses to employ." Presumably the championships of 89,91,98,02 and 04 were all won despite the complete ineptitude of Pat Rice then? There is clearly a reasoned argument for Arsenal needing new blood in the coaching setup but frankly Kevin, the level you of disdain you show to a man who has devoted his life to our football club is apalling.

  7. greeneman

    Sep 12, 2011, 13:14 #12676

    Editor, you are correct about the medical team. Are there any stats available about proportion of players not available through injury ? I bet we would win it by a mile. Wenger, is a greatt and decent man. I predict he will go next summer after we fail to make top 6.

  8. Richard Ansell

    Sep 12, 2011, 12:29 #12670

    This season is going to be the biggest non-event ever. The huge gulf in class between ourselves and the top sides is all too apparent. I hope we don't scrape in to the top four as all that will do is convince the deluded prat (Wenger) that everything in the garden is still rosy. I am afraid we need a disaster of a season (which looks increasingly likely) to get the clown out and the Board to realise that they need to part with some of their cash.

  9. Merse69

    Sep 12, 2011, 10:33 #12661

    Positive headline, followed by the usual Wenger out campaign in place of a match report. Yes, there's some money in the bank, but a fraction of what Utd, City and Chelsea can spend. We can't match the wages of these clubs either, where 100k a week passes as a minimum wage for the best players. Get Wenger out and see what happens next....... yeah, great idea.

  10. Mike

    Sep 12, 2011, 9:40 #12652

    Watched Man Utd stroll past the much wanted Gary Cahill five times on their home ground on Saturday - he looked very very ordinary in that situation to me. Saw it a few days earlier when he was chasing shadows against Wales as well. This is what is touted to be a solution to one of the problems???? - he too is very mediocre - he would not improve the squad one bit

  11. Mark

    Sep 12, 2011, 9:39 #12651

    leedslad - i really disagree - this is the EPL it is not England and EPL british players play out of their skin for their clubs this is the well known conundrum for english football since salaries started their climb end 70's onwards. players care more for their clubs. Additionally a euroglobal pop team made up of germans, french, brazilians, dutch, poles, russians, ivory coast etc is great for widening out the fan base (dont you get it ?) but will NOT win trophies in England

  12. USA - Gooner

    Sep 12, 2011, 5:08 #12649

    Yeah ... I need better from you Kevin. The Anti Arsene go so far... talk about football, Analyze the game, Do something to make your rhetoric less tiresome.

  13. Wombledin

    Sep 12, 2011, 4:32 #12648

    As perfectly on the mark, eloquent and readable as always Kevin.

  14. Ronster

    Sep 11, 2011, 23:44 #12647

    If he stays fit,Arteta will turn out to be our best summer recruit by a country mile.Refreshing to see a quality player genuinely enthused about donning the red and white shirt for the first time.All too often our recent 'foreign' signings have strolled into North London as if they were doing us a favour.Arteta had a rip roaring first half where he did his best work in an advanced position,not disimilar to the new role Fabregas seems to have adopted at Barcelona. For whatever reason Arteta regressed ever deeper in the second half,but nevertheless always made himself available to receive the ball which went a long way to securing that first win.

  15. nugs

    Sep 11, 2011, 22:09 #12646

    Merse-10 even if wenger did not have any cash his tatics have been one dimensional and his clear lack of work with the defensive players on the training pitch is nothing short of disgraceful, and the less said about some the players he bought in over the last 6 years or so the better! You need to pull your head out of your arse my son. All this for 6-7 mill a year or whatever he earns, ****ing joke.

  16. tommyb4

    Sep 11, 2011, 21:46 #12645

    Jesus, when will people give up with this 'AKB' nonsense. You expect it perhaps from idiots commenting online, but to hear it from the editor of a well-read, popular website is fairly poor. To label anyone who disagrees with the idea that Wenger has to go as simply a deluded fool is unbelievably arrogant. Hardly unexpected having listened to a couple of the Online Gooner podcasts I suppose. The contributors to this website are clearly fairly well informed, but this consistent self-important attitude is tiresome. For what it's worth, I agree that the performance wasn't great and that the win was the most important thing yesterday but your assertion that there was a lack of effort from the players prior to the 5 new signings coming in is wide of the mark in my opinion. I've seen a real difference in the amount of tracking back, etc in our play so far. The fact that the results are so bad is simply indicative of the sad lack of quality in the squad, and not attitude.

  17. Tookland

    Sep 11, 2011, 21:38 #12644

    Kevin you remain the voice of sanity amongst the sea of Wenger sycophants. Like me you support ARSENAL not a temporary member of staff that has made a laughing stock of our club. Ignore those utter c**ts that continue to spout the ****e that has allowed our club to nose dive. Let's hope when Wenger goes these fools do one with him. Arsenal for ever!

  18. LeedsLad

    Sep 11, 2011, 21:14 #12643

    @Mark, your comment caught my attention, get a grip mate, 'British' players is not the answer, i don't think so. looking at the English team i doubt that an English player is or would the answer. yes we should have some players with premier league experience but not just some block only because of his nationality..

  19. Sad but true

    Sep 11, 2011, 20:22 #12641

    Arsenal are on the verge of implosion - if you cannot see it then you are blind - wenger will not see out the season - we are on coarse for at very very best 55-60points and 6th or 7th place and we wont win the fa cup or the cl.

  20. afcmac

    Sep 11, 2011, 20:06 #12640

    Good points by dan h. Gibbs, Bendtner and arshavin have all been played out of position by wenger. Bad management simple. Arshavin is a shadow of the player that started with us. Has he had good things coached out of him? When he arrived he was shooting and scoring from outside the box. Has he been told to stop. He even said himself shortly after arriving that he was surprised that he was being played on the left. It is obvious he is best suited in the middle.

  21. win AFC

    Sep 11, 2011, 20:04 #12639

    It was not a great game yesterday at least ARSENAL won, Who knows this could be the tonic we needed i know its only Swansea, Iam not a betting man but i can see ARSENAL winning silverware this season. And NO its not a joke. I got a feeling.

  22. redboy

    Sep 11, 2011, 18:43 #12638

    Another shocking performance please leave wenger we need a fresh start and new ideals

  23. RED FRED

    Sep 11, 2011, 18:32 #12637

    Although i feel Kevins anti Wenger tirade a little tiresome, i agree with some of his points, also i agree with with the post from Phil about Theo, did anyone notice him shouting his mouth off again, Billy Big Bollox he has become i think, he needs to step up now.....he not Titi....

  24. allybear

    Sep 11, 2011, 18:08 #12636

    Fozzy's Mate how right you are re a mediocre shambles. Panic buys who only time will tell if its another AW mistake. This man has no idea of tactics and because of stubborness the team has regressed. We have been sadly left behind by the Manchester clubs and a terrible performance yesterday against Swansea was rewarded with a very fortunate win. After being a gunner for 40yrs im totally disallusioned and fed up listening to that man AW.

  25. Gee

    Sep 11, 2011, 17:41 #12635

    That is total BS re Steve Bould turning down the chance of taking on Rice's role. Banfield is Wenger's choice if Pat were to leave. Another yes man. Bouldy has never, ever been involved in the 1st team coaching. Ever.

  26. Danny

    Sep 11, 2011, 17:14 #12634

    clockendpaul-couldnt agree more.This season and next am just counting the days till Wengers contract is up.Unless Kroenke comes to his senses and pulls the trigger when we finish outside the top 4 which we will this season.The deadline signings were just to paper over the cracks.Wenger's biggest crime was not building on the Invincibles and putting his faith in youth

  27. johnnyhawleylovinygooner

    Sep 11, 2011, 16:40 #12633

    is it true a well known manager handled the santos transfer as reported in a sunday paper? if it is true then the boss must be a dead man walking. what effect wolld this have on the squad?

  28. Fozzy's mate

    Sep 11, 2011, 16:36 #12632

    I agree and disagree kev. Agree that the result was desperately needed. However even after the unbelievably shambolic last 6 months as dissected pre game in the tavern yesterday, the lowest score prediction was a three nil stroll. Quite simply that was one of the worst displays I have witnessed in 30 years against a team who have not scored a single goal this season. This season will see a painful and sad end to the Wenger era as a guy once hailed a hero is ushered out with a show of sympathy. The biggest mistake the old fart/etonian and his cash grabbing chronies made was making a once wonderful manager who they thought as a non stop cash register, all powerful. As he said this week as long as he (arsene) is happy so are we. Says it all, complacency and arrogance by our pathetic board have led us to where we are today, a mediocre shambles.

  29. Dan h

    Sep 11, 2011, 15:28 #12631

    Arsenal play only one way posession of the foootball being the main aim.In years passed the ball was moved from back to front with speed not now.The way to play us is to sit deep & hit us on the break at the emirates everyone is now doing it.Instead of changing it up to suit the opponents we only play 1 up front RVP who due to the lack of support then drops deeper & deeper.The win was very welcome in recent years we have had some bad results at home against promoted teams but if memory serves me right we always seemed to create chances in those games not yesterday Vorm didn't have much to do.The positives are much needed experience added to the team we may just be able to see more games like this out instead of dropping late points time will tell.Just a point on Gibbs another player converted from his natural position of a left midfielder/winger to fill a gap in team/squad is it any wonder he struggles at times defensively?Bendtner for all his shortcomings played as a winger constantly baffling! Arshavin also played out of position it's no wonder we never see the best of some players.Ramsey will be fine imo at least he looks to get in the box & has a goal threat in him could be worse Deckchair Denilson could still be in his place!

  30. Kenny

    Sep 11, 2011, 15:03 #12630

    Looking at the left back situation I noticed Clichy playing for City has improved his crossing & positional play 100%. This must be due to coaching/training.At Arsenal I can't remember many good crosses,can anyone?

  31. DW Thomas

    Sep 11, 2011, 14:58 #12629

    What is most frustrating is looking at our competitors and their results. If you want to be a champion you must look at what it takes to win and do those things yourselves. United is obviously the bar we currently must measure ourselves by. Not too long ago it was the Invincibles team. How far we have fallen. Yes it was a win, but an extremely lucky one at that. I don't want to keep applauding performances like this all season. I agree 3 points no matter how achieved is a good thing. Yet, I couldn't help but feel we are far off even from a top four finish. And we won't be lucky every time. I think the team can and will gel, but I am annoyed at how Wenger has let this team fall to new depths. Look at our last 20 league games. Then look at United and City, not to mention Chelsea. I watched Phil Jones make a run into Bolton's box yesterday leading to a goal that I haven't seen an Arsenal defender make in years. Didn't we almost buy him? Hernandez scored one goal as a result of his genius of movement and good crossing into the box. Why don't Arsenal do things like these anymore? United look and act and play like winners. It is when I look at the real top four contenders that I am most dismayed. 18-3. United's goals to ours in the first four games. Yes, we must support the team, but it is a team that needs to give us the fans some results. If they don't come soon and consistently, we should as Arsenal fans continue to voice our frustration, cooly and intelligently without succumbing to vitriol. Because we want and deserve better. We love Arsenal, but the club is not one person. Where we are now could takes years to recover from. I say give Wenger a chance to make amends. But, let's keep a close eye on his actions and words. He must continue to get improved performances from this squad he says is improved over last season's. And please stop the nonsensical statements about how you suffered all summer monsieur. The fans don't want to hear it anymore. You need to start sounding like a real manager. A winner. Not a whiner.

  32. NutTiddy

    Sep 11, 2011, 14:55 #12628

    Ah Well. Another rubbish blog to knock off the list. What is it with so called Arsenal supporters who wish for the worse. Just go away.

  33. Mark

    Sep 11, 2011, 14:50 #12627

    i do not think we have turned the corner at all. mertesacker is going to find the ELP very hard. I maintain we would be in much better shape plus have a much stronger mentality as a team and a club if we had added more british backbone and paid up to secure Cahill and Parker at least. We should have secured Downing and moved out Arhsavin. I am convinced we will regret not going that.

  34. Alan

    Sep 11, 2011, 14:28 #12626

    Gary i agree with your every line, so happy to see a gunner who thinks the same thing

  35. Gooner70

    Sep 11, 2011, 14:01 #12624

    How funny some of the comments are: Depending on the position of the writer, either you are on drugs for calling that an improvement (I'd call a 1 nil versus and 8 - 2 defeat an improvement - I'd like to know what drugs you're on). Others called it Wenger bashing, etc: Surely even the blindest most faithful AKB must surely see that in the wake of recent performances both team and managerial, that A does n't KB anymore. But let's not split hairs. Arsene has been a brilliant manager, but his pet project has failed, but lets give him some credit, initially it was very close (an honourable failure it might be termed). Unfortunately, when it was clear it has failed, I'd say 2 years ago, he clung on too long. - I don't blame him totally, the board and their policy re:wages has been a disaster, and will court more disaster if they cling to it. -- (They need Dein back, a man who knows football, the football business, and has Arsenal in his heart. I digress. Lets get back to yesterday, the performance was poor (Very poor) and we got lucky (Very lucky), but - we won, that was the most important thing. -- We were coming back from the most horrendous result in well over 100 years. The confidence was rock bottom, we still had suspensions and injuries, we had to incorporate new players, and a number of players out there have played 2 intense games a week for club and country. In those situations, particularly with regard to confidence, I'll take a lucky scrambled poor display of a win and put it in the bank. -- Teams, and anybody to that fact, who's confidence has been shot to bits, have to work hard, and have to scrape wins for some time. It may take a while to get back up and running in the wake of the awful start and Man U, in the meantime I believe all Arsenal Fans need to stand together and support the lads, and not slag-off their efforts.

  36. CD

    Sep 11, 2011, 13:43 #12623

    @ Merse-10. You criticise the website editor for telling it like it is, how can you possibly not agree with his fair and accurate assessment of yesterdays game, and the overall current situation at our club? Unless of course you can only see what you want to see, which is exactly what your hero has been doing for the last six years!! We could just as easily argue your pro Wenger stance continues, the difference is we have all laid out the evidence and reasons for our view that Wenger is simply past it, whereas people like you tend to only use the ridiculous argument of "who would you replace him with" or that highly inteligent contribution of "f**k off down the lane if you are not happy". I have yet to see a well presented step by step reasoned argument why Wenger should remain at the helm from any of you in denial pro Wenger supporters. I am looking forward to reading your article doing just that to prove me wrong, but please don't state the truth will come out eventually because we prefer (as Benitez once said) to deal with actual known facts, not wishful stabing in the dark thinking to defend Wenger and the board. Facts just like the one the website editor came back at you with re the 10% difference in wages/transfers compared to Man U who have won something like 8 trophies (pure guess) since our last one. The balls in your court!

  37. clockendpaul

    Sep 11, 2011, 13:11 #12622

    Different faces same ****, this season is over in terms of winning anything, all we are doing is counting the days down til that deluded, lying fool goes.

  38. Phil

    Sep 11, 2011, 12:53 #12621

    Hanging on for a 1-0 at home v a team that will be back in the championship next season sums up where Wenger has taken us.To hear some say how well Mertesacker played,he was playing against a guy who was at Watford last year FFS.Arteta faded after a good start but look who he is playing alongside in midfield.Ramsey is a passenger.Has Walcott taken over from Bendtner as the new Billy Big Bollocks.He thinks he is better than he is.When is Wenger going to realise at home you play 2 upfront.Watching the Man utd game the commentator said Hernandez cost £6m half the price we paid for Chamberlain.That tells you the difference between Wenger and Sir Alex Trophy Winner

  39. Jekyll

    Sep 11, 2011, 12:36 #12620

    I think what was most concerning about yesterday was how easily Swansea - nigh on certainties for relegation, you'd have to say - negated our play. We'd never have scored without them gifting us one. It's the same old predictable 4-3-3, even though the reason for it, Fabregas, has left. Nothing has changed. We cannot expect Gibbs to perform well as a full back because we don't have full back, we have wingers who don't cross pretending to be full backs. Gibbs spent most of the game halfway up the opposition's half of the pitch. Swansea were unlucky to not get a draw at least and looked more dangerous than us when they did counter attack. The problem continues to be the formation and tactics (or lack of) and that's not going to change whilst the manager is in situ.

  40. Gary

    Sep 11, 2011, 12:32 #12619

    No difference at all by this team even with the new signings.But for a wonder save,the crossbar and a shocking miss Swansea a poor poor team would have snatched a deservered draw.Can you imagine Sir Alex playing one striker at home v Swansea well thats what the useless Wenger did.Gibbs found out again.He cant defend.Ramsey looks like Eduardo mark 2.Walcott i hate him.No end product now he has an arrogant streak which he thinks he is better than he is.Drop him.But at least at last we have a quality keeper to finally replace Mad Jens.But a injury to Szczesny and we will have one of the two clowns back between the stick.I cant see us even finishing 4th.Watching Utd and City only one player would get in their starting elevens and that is Szczseny.That is how far we are behind them two.And we all know they will only get better

  41. Website Editor

    Sep 11, 2011, 12:31 #12618

    Merse-10. Machester United have spent about 10% more than Arsenal on net transfers and wages since summer 2004. in that time, Arsenal have won an FA Cup. United have done better by way more than 10%. The way the manager has chosen to use the funds he has available to him has resulted in six years without a trophy. I wish the AKBs could get their head around the fact that Diaby is not worth £60k a week and Bendtner was never worth £50k a week. We would have done much better for our money with a different policy. We did not have to go down the Project Youth path which has now been revealed as a complete waste of five seasons.

  42. Website Editor

    Sep 11, 2011, 12:00 #12617

    arsenal4ever - ok, stating the obvious maybe. but i don't want to go overboard about a home win against a newly promoted team. granted, the performance was no great shakes, but at this stage, be thankful for small mercies. the club are in purgatory at the moment. first league win of the season is improvement, however you look at it.

  43. Merse-10

    Sep 11, 2011, 11:59 #12616

    The anti Wenger stance continues...how tiresome. I admire the way you write tings as if they are fact when in fact they are not. You choose to over look facts to suit your own agenda and try to make everything suit your own view. One day, hopefully, the truth will be revealed and you'll realise just what a hard job Arsene has had and just exactly what he has had to deal with.

  44. arsenal4ever

    Sep 11, 2011, 11:52 #12615

    how many drugs took you? Improvement? You cant be worse as the 8-2 trashing. It was a lucky win cause Swansea had good chances. top5 with this time not more.

  45. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Mar 08, 2011, 12:27 #2981

    Great piece, really good stuff here although I feel that scoring Two Goals over there would be nothing short of an amazing feat.

  46. AugustusCaesar

    Mar 08, 2011, 10:28 #2972

    If we can get to half time at 0-0 I fancy us. The belief will grow and they'll get more desperate and we may be able to pinch one on the counter. It's going to be really tough and we'll have to play out of our skins. Obviously.

  47. Long term Gooner

    Mar 08, 2011, 10:23 #2971

    Wow, with supporters like this, we dont deserve to go through, pathetic, now wonder our "fans" get mocked.

  48. Kenny

    Mar 08, 2011, 7:53 #2970

    It would sum this bunch of tossers up.Lose a cup final where they are hot favourites then go and beat Barca.Then lose to an English team as usual.Typical Arsenal under Wenger

  49. RD

    Mar 07, 2011, 20:54 #2967

    NO. There is no gurantee that 2 goals puts us through. I think we may knockout Barca but the game will be entirely unpredictable. It may end one nil for either side or we could have an absolute goal fest. Barca will attack and you can expect Villa to be on the pitch for the full 90 this time. Our opportunities will come from the counter again. It's a shame we don't have Song but we're still capable. Come on you Gooners!

  50. bunch

    Mar 07, 2011, 19:51 #2963

    This Arsenal team may just win against Barca. After the high of the home leg, the mediocraty of Orient and Sunderland and the embarassing low of the Carling Cup final, this bunch may well take us back up the emotional curve by winning the tie. But then what will be the next let down? The Baggies doing the double over us? A cricket score at OT? Who knows

  51. stewie griffin

    Mar 07, 2011, 19:01 #2961

    got to admire your confidence simon and i sincerely hope you are right however i think the loss of walcott will count against us as he was the one player that would genuinely have frightened barca,but we live in hope.

  52. Mark B

    Mar 07, 2011, 17:21 #2958

    I was in the Camp Nou last season and believe me Barca took their foot off the gas in the second half i think they were playing Real the following week.If they hadnt they could have scored 6.We are not a bad team its Barcelona are a fantastic team.In a way getting knocked out while Manure stay in the competition will help us win the league.My prediction 4-1 Barca just like last year.Villa hat-trick

  53. thatsimonrose

    Mar 07, 2011, 16:26 #2955

    Proof - if proof were needed (not that it is) - that no matter how positive a piece you write someone will always come back with negativity and if you don't write something positive someone will slate you for being negative. That's why I don't blow with the wind: I write it how I perceive it, how I feel it.

  54. Peter

    Mar 07, 2011, 14:46 #2951

    Reasons to be positive re: second leg 1. Song was woeful in the first leg. His head isn't right at the moment so its no great loss. 2. Scjksjskny doesn't appear to have lost any confidence after Birmingham fiasco 3. Sagna was suspended after first leg, he will play tomorrow night and he is in cracking form 4. Walcott tends to fade in the big occasions, so, again, his absence may not matter in the final analysis. 5. Nasri was only just back after injury in first leg - now he must be much more match fit. 6. Arshavin showing more and more of his old brilliance 7. Wilshere and Fabregas will play!!!

  55. chris dee

    Mar 07, 2011, 14:38 #2950

    Never mind Never Never land Simon 'I can't see Barca scoring more than 3 goals'and we can definately score 2 eh? Blimey! The bottom line is that we get a collective backbone, a game plan,not arrogantly thinking we can outplay anyone,try and pinch a goal and the players run themselves into the ground defending Szczesny and our lead. And most of all,show everyone that we are not a bunch of chokers and see if we really do have this mystical 'mental strength' that Arsene tell us the players have in shed loads. If ,and if is the longest word in the dictionary, we get thru,we have a great chance of a trophy this year.

  56. Whinger_OUT_NOW

    Mar 07, 2011, 14:27 #2949

    injuries are no excuse. end of At the end of January, Whinger boldly declared that he needed no one. He MUST be held accountable for his words and deeds. As a manager with nearly 25 years of experience, did he not know about injuries ESPECIALLY his delicate, snood wearing proteges? He still went ahead and got no one in. The blame is his. ALL HIS. STOP MAKING EXCUSES FOR WHINGER. He gets 6M a fucking year to get things right.

  57. Trevor

    Mar 07, 2011, 13:28 #2948

    The only way to beat Barcelona is to play like Mourinho's Inter and we havent go the tactics or defence to do that.And Inter had a two goal lead to defend.If you attack this Barcelona team they will batter us.Everyone seems to forget last season Piquet and Puyol didnt play and neither did their heartbeat Iniesta.The whole game will be down to how much ball we can get.But in all honesty i cant see us creating much.Sadly Bender and Chamakh are no RVP.3-0 to the home team and then the questions will be asked about Wenger fucking up not winning the group when we won are first 3 games.Arsene Knows again

  58. zayru

    Mar 07, 2011, 13:21 #2946

    In most blogs I'v read that puyol and pique will be missed,but now has mentioned anything about guardiola missing the match. Last I heard was he might miss the match because of a back injury and that will work in our favour too. Has there been any news on this.

  59. Steve

    Mar 07, 2011, 13:16 #2945

    Simon - where do you get your drugs from? This lot will freeze on the big occasion. Again.

  60. Howard

    Mar 07, 2011, 13:16 #2944

    Barca will murder us.They are just a brilliant attacking force.If Newcastle can score four against us in 20mins Barca can.I think it will be 4 or 5-1 to Barca