Time for Action Not Words!!

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Time for Action Not Words!!

Fans: Will the ‘Wenger Out’ chants begin?


Having read and absorbed the Editor’s article as well as the other two submitted on Sunday, and read the long list of comments under these posts, it would appear a tipping point has been reached. I realize that pro-Wenger supporters probably did not comment for fear of being shot down by any number of angry contributors, but don’t doubt the few who remain will resurface once the dust has settled, and especially so if (that’s a big if at the moment) Arsenal beat Bolton and Olympiakos in the next two meaningful home games.

Should Arsenal happen to do well in those two games, the sting will once again have been taken out of the tail and will temporarily mask the reality of our true situation. Just like when we lost 8-2 at OT, when the panic buys appeased quite a few Gooners who then said “give these new players time”, or - in the extreme - I even read one contributor saying we would now win the league!! The point here is that we have to strike whilst the iron is hot, because, if we don’t, this malaise could drag on for months and months, and I personally don’t want to end up celebrating our 125thanniversary with a relegation battle, with the worst possible outcome not being unrealistic taking into account our current run of 16 points from 16 games.

So if the majority of us now all agree that change is needed, the question must be how do we get it? Clearly letting off steam via this website and many other sites won’t change anything, but direct action will. I think we all know our board have zero intention of changing anything as things stand, and hence we have to be the catalyst to force change.

Were we all to start singing songs like “Wenger out” and “sack the board”, this could be the initial salvo in our armoury. However I personally would be more keen on songs like “we want Dein” and, just as importantly, “we want Usmanov”. There is no question but that this would make Gazidis squirm and force him to report back to Kroenke that this time the natives really are restless and mean business. Who knows? It might even make Kroenke decide to cut and run, selling to Usmanov for a vast profit in such a short space of time, especially if the share price Usmanov had on the table for minor shareholders was offered to Kroenke. We would need to keep these protests up, however, even at the end of games we had won! The reason I say that is because, otherwise, the situation will simply drift on from a good result to a bad one, as we all deep down now know it will forever, until a new regime is installed.

Back in March I wrote an article entitled “Time to end this ourselves” and nothing has changed since I wrote that, other than that we are in a much worse situation now than even I could have envisaged when I wrote it then. Please, everybody, this time act decisively and start protesting in an organised way, because the alternative - if we don’t - does not bear thinking about, which in the very worst case scenario could mean us going to places like Vicarage Road next season.


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  1. dave bromley

    Sep 22, 2011, 11:39 #13185

    There is only one way you can protest in football hit them where it hurts in the pocket, ie no sold programms no beer bought ext, And empty stands on the television represents bad publicity what iam saying is stay away from the game day meet in avenell road have a proper debate with fans while the game is on just a thought???????????????????

  2. Rocco

    Sep 22, 2011, 4:25 #13181

    Agreed that times are tough and we've seen better days but to call for the head of the man that single handedly changed English football from the trapping, defensive, lull you to sleep style that it was into the aggressive eye pleasing, lets score some bloody goals spectacle we have the privilege of enjoying today is uncalled for and borderline treasonous after all he has done. City is (hopefully) done spending so if we miss do miss the Champions League this year you will see some serious money invested to bring us back into contention. Have faith Gooners... In Arsene we trust!!!!!!!!!!

  3. Big Dave

    Sep 21, 2011, 22:28 #13175

    Your die of old age if you expect the Gooner to organize a protest, keyboard cowards everyone of them gutless

  4. Noodles

    Sep 21, 2011, 22:25 #13174

    I've said it before .. We should pick a home game and boycott buying anything from to inside catering stands .. In effect it won't cost the club because delawear north pay a retainer but they will be the first to scream about profits to our head of franchise AFC and the message will get home a lot quicker ...... plus the tube home would smell less minus chicken balti pie farts [wink])

  5. Goonerpearty

    Sep 21, 2011, 21:29 #13172

    Well im at the emirates this sat like I was last nite and at Ewood last sat.All I can say is to hit the board in there pockets and just don't buy anything from arsenal.No shirts no scarf's no hats no drinks no food nothing.I mean £3.90 for a pint of carlsberg lol.It wont hurt em straight away but it will in the long run.I aint saying no to a protest either. COME ON YOU REDS.

  6. Peter Wain

    Sep 21, 2011, 18:13 #13168

    Whislt I agree that we new a new direction and substantial investment in the club (never has £31 milliom bought do little) it is unrealistic to expect the board to make a chnage now. I think that this will be Arsene's last season and I hope thata new manager is appointed in May so that next yrear we can be big players in the transfer market. We need to buy top quality players not injury prone 29 year old whosae best days are behine them. I just hope that we do get into a run of form because I think relegation is a certainty with this squad.

  7. R Meade

    Sep 21, 2011, 15:53 #13159

    Andy i agree changing the manager would not guarantee instant success it never does. But managers have to change at some point and that time is now for Wenger things may get worse if that's at all possible 8-2 etc but may get better which would not be hard you don't get many teams let in four against Blackburn this is not a blip it's been coming for a few years now, far to many poor signings and tactics that just do not work anymore. I do also agree about changes at board level the old board have took there money from the club the new lot doing the same, as for Dein he did bring Wenger but i still have issues with him in regards to the bond scheme years ago many fans were lost to the club then but he is better than what we have now i'd like a complete clear out top to bottom it's all very stale at the moment and maybe we might even get our club badge and traditional away kit back? Not likely though hey.

  8. Jimmy

    Sep 21, 2011, 13:45 #13145

    Excellent comment from JackGooner (post 14575). I often despair at some of comments on this website - there is nothing wrong with having a different opinion from one another and that should be respected instead of people being abused for it. I'm (reluctantly) in the Wenger out camp, but we're all Gooners and the differing views are what make this site so readable in my opinion as they don't see to unnecessarily censor people.

  9. Carlos

    Sep 21, 2011, 13:20 #13144

    I've just read what Gaszidis and Wenger said yesterday. Obviously the CEO will not say anything contentious and must publicly back the manager, a manager who seems to be taking all the plaudits for 14 years consecutive CL football. Fair enough, but will he be in such a hurry to not only take the whole blame, as he often does, but to then take the appropriate action should this season pan out as many fans now fear it will?

  10. Mike

    Sep 21, 2011, 13:08 #13143

    @Ron -my point exactly - there is no credible manager in the market at the moment - the guys are in dreamland if they think the likes of Murinho (who is just as big a clown) Pep, Hiddink are going to drop what they have to coach Arsenal. Let see what Arsene can do - by the way the negative reports were on this site within hours of the game last week. We won last night and still nothing.....

  11. JackGooner

    Sep 21, 2011, 12:26 #13140

    Without wanting to receive the usual chastising from authors on this board for holding an opinion. I don’t think it is unfair for portions of our fan base to be calling for Wengers head, I am too and fro on it if truth be told, but don’t feel the need (like many contributors) to reel off for how long I have been a gooner, I feel secure enough in my support to not have to continually out-do my fellow fans on this point. However, I would say that it is naive for the authors to now assume that the "wenger out brigade" is now the majority feeling among the fans. From my experience (having been to every home and away, excl udinese) is that we are not yet at the "tipping point", warmongering is not unexpected and I understand it, but let’s hold off the hefty general assertions that are made on this site with regularity, you do not speak for all fans, and although we are in a crisis, I feel that AW has a few games left to prove to us that he can motivate these players and string together some wins, that said if results continue as they have been then I don’t see how he can remain despite what he has done for us. May I add finally, that if he does go, I hope that the majority of you will be carrying him out on his shield so to speak rather than toss him on the fire....he has earned that at the very least!!

  12. Ron

    Sep 21, 2011, 12:10 #13139

    Martin O Neill. Oh deary, deary me! Another mythical 'legendary' Coach if ever there was one. Its his media usefulness only thats somehow afforded him credibilty as a Coach, pretty much like Harry Redknapp.Tactically, hes a dunce. Arsene Wenger has earned the right to the chance to turn it around. OK, hes open to much of the criticism hes getting but its still been 15 unblemished years as an Arsenal employee and in the famed media fanned '6 empty years', hes been to a CL Final, 2 CC Cup Finals, several semis in both domestic Cups, 2 serious title tilts but top 4 nontheless each season during to so called 'barren' years. Lest we not forget. Have a dig at Wenger by all means and perhaps more the Boardroom, but lets not lose perspective.

  13. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 21, 2011, 12:05 #13138

    I'm not in the category of any of the ridiculous groups ie AKB AMG OGL etc etc but judging by what my two mates who were at the match last night tell me and what i heard on sky of the singing of arsene wenger,s name the people who want him out are in a small minority.

  14. Mike

    Sep 21, 2011, 11:41 #13137

    @ real gooner - tend to agree with Mandy on this one - Realistically speaking Wenger will be gone at the end of the season, probably due to "contract reasons" rather than be fired. In my eyes he should be given till year end to turn it around. If you look at Liverpool, a team who supposedly now has the right manager, spent millions in the transfer market and has had a start thaat is not much better. In terms of available managers, in all probabilty you would end up with someone like Martin O'Neill because there is no obvious caretaker for the interim.

  15. Andy M

    Sep 21, 2011, 11:19 #13134

    Hi RMEade, I'm saying changing a manager right now, so early in a season and new squad members won't bring instant success. My personal opinion is that it's the board who have hampered his spending behind the scenes. Hill-wood has much to answer for, and I wouldn't particularly mind if Dein returned because he was passionate, which seems to be lacking - mostly on the pitch. Hopefully the more seasoned/mature players joining will move this on. I still expect to see honours under Arsene, and for the record I am a 49-year old north Londoner and have supprted since age 7.

  16. Ron

    Sep 21, 2011, 10:55 #13132

    A couple of you guys mention Alan Hansen. Hes best avoided in Arsenal context. In my view his biggest handicap where we are concerned is that hes never recovered from being outplayed and out fought on that great Friday night in May 1989. In fact i think he's still looking for our midfielders who strode past him like he wasnt there on countless occasions that night. Hes disturbed and so full of resentment still even today. I swear he is.Hes another of the punditry fraternity who sit there judging Coaches harshly, week in week out yet never having had the ba--s to try it themselves. He could be a good pundit if he wasnt so arrogant and wrapped up in Liverpool, who lets face it have been title failures 3 times longer than we have.

  17. CD

    Sep 21, 2011, 10:20 #13131

    @Mandy Dodd I found it interesting to see you chastise real gunner for his contribution, but made no comment at all about the thrust of my article. Does that now mean you are finally in agreement that Wenger should go? I think I already know what you will say to that, and you have every right to express your support for Wenger, but could you please do me a favour and go into the archive section on this site back to March 2011 and read my article entitled "Time to end this ourselves" and then read the vast quantity of hostile reactions to my suggestions, and then compare it to the reactions to this article. You will see that the tide clearly has changed drastically, especially when you take into account that I actually went further this time by advocating the possibility of singing "Wenger out" chants. The conclusion I have drawn from this is that your point of view is clearly now in the small minority, which of course does not mean your not entitled to hold it, but does indicate to me that the time is nigh for Wenger whether you like it or not. One thing I agree with you 100% on though Mandy is that the board are probably more culpable-for letting Wenger do what he has done which is to turn us into a defensive laughing stock. Any future coaching manuals and films about how not to defend will feature our current defensive unit very heavily would you not agree? In particular that certain game at OT will go down in history as the most inept defensive display ever seen on TV by a big club, and it was on your glorious leaders watch. He manages one of the most prestigious big clubs in world football, and I would like you to name me any of the other clubs that fall into this category who would not have sacked their manager staight after that game. Pleae don't say it's Wenger who has turned us into a big club, because we have historically always been one of the three biggest clubs in England (Man U & Liverpool being the other two) and in the 1930's we were the very biggest in the world.

  18. JJ Williams

    Sep 21, 2011, 8:54 #13129

    Wengers is way past his sell by date -possibly by three years. We are in this predicament because of the managers tactics, style of play, transfers, Stubbornness, blindness and now madness. Wenger and Pat Rice out. Gus Hidink as manager, David O'Learly as his number 2 and Bould and Keown on the coaching staff.

  19. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Sep 21, 2011, 3:52 #13128

    @real gunner - I admire your passion, when I read pieces like yours it makes me wish I was less jaded about club matters than I am right now. Only one other point to make - Alan Hansen finds it nearly impossible to respect anyone who hasn't played, managed, or worked the tea bar at Anfield...

  20. DW Thomas

    Sep 21, 2011, 2:39 #13126

    Been watching a TH 226 goals You Tube highlights. Can't believe we were this once great, dominant team with real stars and team camaradarie. Who is our Henry, Bergkamp, Viera, or Adams these days? Cesc was no leader, but at least he was top class. How many players do we have that can changed a game on their own? We are a shadow of teams past and Wenger must take full responsibility. Maybe if we were to win the title this season (dreaming in la la land, I know!) he could keep his job. But 6 years of the same old comments and excuses leaves us true fans demoralized and angry. And rightly so. We need to do everything we can as fans to bring back the character in our club, to make new wonderful memories like the teams of old. Vince Lombardi once said we should relentlessly chase perfection. We won't attain it, but in chasing it we will achieve excellence. All we want as fans is excellence, for a full 90 minutes every game. NO EXCUSES! If your job is to get fit, stay fit, play football, and give your all and you are paid incredibly well for it, you should have to listen to the fans complain and take it. Don't moan, don't quit on the club, a la Nasri, don't make excuses. Admit you have failed, but stick it out, improve, and get results. Period. If Arsene doesn't right the ship and very soon, we all know what should be done.

  21. Mandy dodd

    Sep 20, 2011, 22:48 #13125

    Are you really for real, real gunner? Somehow do not think so. You have not supported the team for very long but who cares about that. Hiddink, has just been offered a 66m contract to manage that Russian team paying eto 320g pw, don't think so. Jose, let's face it, these days, he could not do anything on wengers budget. Hope you are not one of those Martin o neill types, he has done far less than wenger and spent far more. If you are a real gooner, you really must do better, as I am sure even you would admit. But if you are trying to get the maximum amount of meaningless cliches in one post, well guess you deserve some respect on that front. E- Must try harder. Hope you improve things on your next post

  22. Jeff

    Sep 20, 2011, 22:28 #13124

    Richard, I know he meant it figurativly, I was just pointing out that it's a stupid chant. Regarding my need to think, I do quite frequently actually and despite what you may have infered from my post, I actually agree that it's time for Wenger to go and the board preferably.

  23. Wombledin

    Sep 20, 2011, 21:07 #13123

    Emotions are high but let's not overreact. I agree Wenger's time is up now, but we are not going to be facing a relegation battle, for goodness sake. The squad is not going to go from consecutive top 4 finishes to relegation zone in one season. Settle down.

  24. real gunner

    Sep 20, 2011, 19:19 #13122

    i've been a supported of ARSENAL since 1996/97, that's right wengers first season, i was like everyone else-a big wenger fan, who wasnt? he was amazingly intelligent,dignified,astute,a winner(not like fergie mind you,but a winner none the less),he brought us and the premier league a new dimension of world class players alongside gullit and vialli,but wenger also brought success with it,and a style of play,all pundits and the press respected him,i bet alen hansen respected him then too, but since selling VIEIRA,things have gone airplane crashing down! he has completely lost it! and been exposed for his complete inept lack of defensive,tactical and motivational nous,he has been left wondering in an empty field(2005) whilst fergie and the rest have already built houses in the new area(post 2005),wenger is in the desert trying to find his way back to ground, with the arrival of abramovics billions and a certain JOSE MOURINHO,and the makalele role! the premier league and football in general has changed if you think about it carefully,and teams need to place alot more emphasise on the tactical,focus,and physical side of the game more than ever,gone are the days of wenger finding an anelka and immediately he turns to a star,and if there are some out there, the rest of football has caught on, and wenger doesnt understand the criteria for success now is different to what it was in 2004, he cant win trophies even if he was given 200 million i guarantee that! he never had set piece nous,never had a plan b,remember how we lost the league in the last 5 games in 2003,why? cos we couldnt handle the north easts physicality,hand on heart u think fergie would have lost that? or mourinho? we lost the eufa cup final,yearly early cl exits,blaming everything including wembley being too big except himself,check his record,he did similar at monaco, INSANITY is repeting the same thing again hoping for a different outcome,in wenger i rust!!!!! if u fans have self respect,stand up for yourselves and protest during,before games,boycott games,leave early,put pressure on the entire board and wenger,and get them out,liverpool fans did it,other teams dont have a problem with it,we are the only ones who seem to love been oppressed,wenger has got us thinking we were fighting a relegation battle before him,need i remind u,we were 5th when he came,remember when we end up out of the top 5,that he has left us in a worse place positionally then he found us, he inherited a great side,there was only 1 rival,the times allowd for success to come,wenger is like milk past its expiry date,distasteful!!! whilst fergie is like fine wine,gets fresher and better with age,wenger and the board out!!!!!! bring in usmanov and bring back the real MR ARSENAL- DAVID DEIN, with hiddink or mourinho as manager!!!!!!!

  25. R meade

    Sep 20, 2011, 18:47 #13121

    Andy M are you saying you are happy with Wenger? you have not moaned at all this season? losing 8-2 and you didn't moan about it??? Really. Managers players directors etc come and go fans are forever you support the club not the manager.

  26. Mickey

    Sep 20, 2011, 18:45 #13120

    "We Want Dein In"???? Just like when the North Bank sang "Dein Out" in 1991..... We cannot get songs going at Ashburton, let alone a protest, the modern Arsenal support has put an end to that. The only way they will listen would be if a protest would effect them financially. Do the math.....

  27. Loyal since 1980

    Sep 20, 2011, 16:07 #13114

    This has been coming for a while now, I'm no football manager, but I and thousands of others have said that 'project youth' is not working. We will not finish in the top 4, we will not finish in the Europa league. I will support this club until I die, but next season, we need to get a new manager in who can inject some fresh ideas into this club. When AW first arrived and then won that double in 98 I honestly thought we would dominate, how wrong I was.I am Arsenal til I die, but we need a change and let AW walk away in May with the words 'I have taken this club as far as I can,thank you and goodnight!'.

  28. Andy M

    Sep 20, 2011, 15:51 #13113

    To all those moaners who are baying for Arsene's head: call yourselves supporters? GET BEHIND YOUR/OUR CLUB. Everyone has great times and lean times. Arsenal will ride this out - history cannot be denied.

  29. fasthare

    Sep 20, 2011, 14:54 #13109

    Gazidis says Wenger stays. Then fans should no longer go to watch 3rd rate football at exhorbitant prices. Krooke is a businessman pure and simple and has no interest in sporting achievements for his clubs.Just check his other sports franchises.Selling Carmelo Anthony of his Denver Nuggets is the same as selling Cesc Fabergas.This man is not in love with Arsenal he is here to milk the fat cow dry.So why let him do so and in the process ruin our beloved Arsenal which is in dire danger of losing its status as the longest stay in the premier division of English football if that obstinate manager of ours continue to run our team.Stop attending matches and buy club jerseys and anything that adds to the coffers of the current owner.I use to worship Wenger but years of broken promises and lies have lost all my respect.Last year he said "Judge me in May" If you have anything call pride and self respect dear Arsene you would have resign after the end of last season. After all its not that you need the money.or do you? All those years in Japan didn't imbue in you some of the spirit of the samurai about honour and keeping ones word. I feel so sad that there still some lemminglike AKBs who still have not woken up to the spin and lies.I am 71 years old and have supported the Arsenal since 1950 and this is the first time i have told a manager to go!

  30. GoonerGoal!

    Sep 20, 2011, 14:09 #13105

    A little bit of history. I was around when former England captain and football golden boy, Billy Wright, was dismissed by the Arsenal board as Manager in the Summer of ‘66 after a season in which Arsenal had finished 14th, their lowest position in 36 years. Things came to a head that season when Wright controversially sold three of the club’s best players Joe Baker, George Eastham and Geoff String to Forest, Stoke and Liverpool respectively. Protests began and within weeks a crowd of just 4554 attended an evening league match against Leeds United on 5 May 1966. A few days later Billy Wright was no longer Arsenal manager. Could history be about to repeat itself?

  31. Ronster

    Sep 20, 2011, 13:51 #13104

    The club will not get a single penny out of me until a manager who has been found out and a board that could not fight its way out of a paper bag are but a distant memory.I suggest you all do the same as money is all that matters to these fraudsters.Ivan Gazidis' comments this morning confirm him to be a spineless,pathetic weasel...is this guy really South African? What an embarrassment for that proud sporting nation.Arsenal Football Club in its current state can kiss my backside.

  32. Luckytrev

    Sep 20, 2011, 13:44 #13102

    Wenger needs help, he needs an angry man by his side to give the players a rollicking. Hate to say it but take Spurs for example you see Harry shouting at his players and with his sidekick Joe Jordan who looks ready to rip anyones head off at anytime. Imagine Keown getting stuck into Arshavin for chilling on the ground after getting tapped or Walcott running off the end of the pitch. What does Wenger do when something goes wrong ? Kick a bottle of water, ooooh I'm scared to make a mistake again incase Mr Evian gets kicked down the touchline.

  33. Mark

    Sep 20, 2011, 13:30 #13100

    Richard and friends - i agree the club needs a very serious wake up call and this decline has been going on since David Dein left the club because he would simply not allowed it to have happened on his watch. Dont forget he was the one who was lining up Usmanov as he wanted AFC to have a sugar daddy to fall back on and now we have all the evidence we need that David Dein in charge with Mr Usmanov support to dip into now and then, we would today be in so so much better shape. I am personally going to boycott a few matches as much as that hurts me i dont believe in blind blinkered support i believe in voicing one's concern when the club is so far off of the rails. Sack Gadadzis and Wenger but at same time staff the club with Arsenal lovers like Keown and get DD back please !

  34. Gman

    Sep 20, 2011, 12:49 #13094

    Get the banners out - F--K OFF YANK.. "WE DON'T WANT YOUR SORT AT OUR CLUB"

  35. SWOT Radical

    Sep 20, 2011, 12:34 #13093

    Give him until after the Chelsea match to take at least 11 more points with a goal difference of 0. "11 more by 11/11" If he can't then demand he, Rice and Primorac be shown the door. Hurts to mention Boro because I always admired him for his role in nailing Tapie but recent debacles leave me to doubt his coaching as much as Wenger's management. What then? I'd get Bould or even Vic Akers - both of whom have brought us silverware with the youth and ladies' teams in the last 5 years - to take over as caretaker. Siege mentality might just provide that extra motivation. See how the caretaker does while looking for someone like Hiddink. Promote committed gunners from within like we did with Bertie Mee. And do whatever's necessary to persuade Keown to return.

  36. Johnny

    Sep 20, 2011, 12:31 #13092

    Dave - the club can't afford to sack Wenger, he is the highest paid employee. Move him to the board and bring in a new manager (plus coaching staff) with new ideas/philosophy. And get rid of Gazidis - if his objective was to reduce Arsenal to mediocrity he has over-achieved.

  37. Perry G Forever

    Sep 20, 2011, 12:30 #13091

    I'm sorry to say, but as fans can shout all we like, but it'll be results on the pitch that will precipitate any change. The club will finish out of CL spot and the revenues will dip accordingly. That is when this spineless board and tactically weak manager will be exposed. Until then compadres, it's batton down the hatches, keep true to the club and wait for the change. Anything else will just give you an ulcer or heart attack...

  38. mark from aylesbury

    Sep 20, 2011, 12:30 #13090

    I seem to remember that when Don Howe was sacked one of the reasons was low crowd turn out. I think it was about 17000 and we were third?? Might be losing recall anyway dont turn-up, boycott reject tippy tappy football. Send a signal to the moneymen. Then you will get change

  39. Theo's Underpants Designer

    Sep 20, 2011, 12:19 #13087

    Alas it's not going to happen, Conrad. The truth is it seems Arsenal fans are just as apathetic as the Arsenal Board.

  40. Dan h

    Sep 20, 2011, 12:13 #13085

    I don't see a money driven board sacking AW any time soon the thought of a near £20m payout would put paid to that.What is certainly happening is people voting with their feet Bolton,Olympiakos & even the cheap night out in the cc tonight are not sold out.The club have cut their cloth accordingly balance sheet has been put before team sheet for too long no ambition,stood still & now going backwards.Any anger directed to AW & the board is long overdue all guilty.

  41. Dave

    Sep 20, 2011, 11:38 #13082

    Just heard on the news that that prat Gazidis has said that Wenger wont be sacked...FFS??!! How weak is that statement, so they're bascially saying that nothing is going to be done to avoid our beloved club being run into the ground? Surely he should have said something like 'he'll be judged on results' or 'no man is irreplaceable' - anything to put some pressure on Wenger. But no, once again they have proved that they are totally spineless. I can't take anymore of this garbage that we're enduring, I just want my Arsenal back.

  42. Richard Ansell

    Sep 20, 2011, 11:16 #13081

    Jeff - I imagine CD means this figuratively and it is you that should think a bit more. The club needs a wake up call and it is down to us supporters to deliver it. Perhaps we have an over-inflated idea of our importance to the current Board and manager, but we just can't sit back and do nothing whilst our team becomes a laughing stock.

  43. Der Projekt ist Kaput

    Sep 20, 2011, 10:50 #13075

    Sad to say that protests are probably the wake up call the club needs. We live in an age of 24/7 news, where networks (including, of course, sports news channels) need to fill airtime. Any demo will definitely get attention and be screened - probably globally. Have no doubt, such negative media attention will cause no small embarrassment for a certain American billionaire. If demos continue, action will certainly follow. It's up to us. Let's speak and act out - but with dignity and respect: The Arsenal way. Let's not only have images of Wenger being vilified and simply demanding a new manager. Let's make it clear that we respect Wenger for what he's done, but it's clearly time for change. We should also let it be known that we expect more from our great club. It is in real danger of not being run by great people. To the streets, mon ami's!!

  44. Jeff

    Sep 20, 2011, 10:47 #13074

    I love that chant "sack the board" Who's doing the sacking exactly? Is each board member going to look at themselves in the mirror and say "you're fired"? I wish some fans would think.

  45. tim t

    Sep 20, 2011, 10:14 #13072

    Life is full of highs and lows and the Arsenal is going through a low phase at the moment. But we can be assured the club will bounce back sooner than most people think. Some of our so called fans/supporters are so gullible and easily swayed by the English media who have a campaign against our manager (bad news sell better than good news!!) for quite some time now since we moved to the Emirates. Our soft bellied so called supporters/fans are glory hunters. SHOW SOME GUTS people, just like our servicemen and servicewomen did during the 1st and 2nd World wars. So support team through the low periods and let our positive vibes feed through to the players. We are the Arsenal...onwards and upwards.

  46. Cloggs

    Sep 20, 2011, 10:09 #13071

    Put up some big banners with "In ARSENAL WE trust" It's not offensive to anyone, it's positive BUT the message is there in between the lines.

  47. Gary Coulson

    Sep 20, 2011, 10:00 #13070

    I have been one of Wengers Staunchest allies over the last few years, but it really is time for change. Friends of mine that support other clubs have been saying that he has to go for a while, but I looked upon what they were saying as mere jealousy. I now feel like I have come out of a long term relationship, able to see clearly for the first time in years. After desperately clinging on to the hope that everything will be alright, now I see that I am better off out of it. Arsene Wenger was a magnificent head coach, credited with extending the careers of many players, but for some reason he has become a financial guru instead. Of course it is important that The Arsenal are not saddled with crippling debt, but we are in danger of losing out on Champions League money, which seems to be the main objective of Silent Stan and the rest of the board. We pay the highest ticket prices in the country, the price of refreshments at the ground is extortionate (and poor quality), and are basically wrung dry for every penny that the club can get from us. Then we are told that the club has to operate on a sound financial basis to ensure the long term health of the club. Well I for one have operated sound financial judgement, and have not renewed my season ticket this year. The experiment of using younger players has been nothing short of a disaster, one which in reality could have been foretold by anyone with a basic grasp of humanity. We have brought young players from all over the world, they are then discarded if not good enough, while the ones that are, are then expected to show incredible loyalty to us. Foreign players. Brought up supporting other clubs. Are expected to stay at The Arsenal, despite not winning anything, and other clubs being able to pay them far more than we can afford to? And what is the clubs reaction? It will all be fine "soon". Keep giving us money to watch the likes of Denilson, Arshavin, Bendtner, Squillacci, Eboue, Almunia, etc. And Wenger will say its all going to be ok. Dare to disagree with him, and you know nothing about football. So are we surprised he is surrounded by yes men? I dislike Sir Alex Ferguson intensely, but there is a reason he changes his number 2 frequently. Fresh ideas, and a lack of complacency keep him on his toes. Can we imagine Man Utd still employing SAF if they went more than 2-3 years without winning anything? AW had his chance in this transfer window to show that his philosophy had changed. Shay Given challenging/ mentoring Szczesney in goal. Gary Cahill, Chris Samba and Vermaelen challenging for 2 central defensive positions. Scott Parker, Juan Mata and Jack Wilshere in midfield. And a top class, world renowned striker (Benzema?) to challenge/ support RVP. All for maybe £10m-15m more than we got in for Fabregas, Nasri and Clichy. Instead we get untried, untested or players past their best. I was happy with Mertesacker, but without a defensive coach, he will be swimming against the tide. Desperate, last minute buys like Arteta (injured for a lot of the last 2 years, so what will our medical staff do to him?)and Benayoun (31? So we let go of Pires, and only give DB10 a year by year contract, but YB will save us?), only compound the impression of placating the fans with, not quite, big names. Carl Jenkinson? What happened to Wenger's idea that to bring in top players will only stunt the development of the young players he believes in? So its ok to stunt their development with cheap players from league 1? I have had the veil removed from my eyes, the curtain has been drawn back, and the Wizard of Arse has been exposed as a myth, desperately selling his ideas like an old wild west medicine show before being run out of town. Arsene, I have enjoyed the ride, but its time for you to go.

  48. aj

    Sep 20, 2011, 9:54 #13068

    @ Sarf Lunden The difference between a Russian investor and an American one is that Usmanov wants Arsenal for personal credibility,to gain status and profile in the west.That's exactly what Abramovic got.He realises that buying Arsenal and making it successful is the cost of this.It would be the best pr he could buy.

  49. Marky mark

    Sep 20, 2011, 9:51 #13067

    the chickens are coming home to roost. The club has been falling apart for the past 5 years with no correct investment in the playing or back room staff. We have not replaced either world class or even very good players who have left the club with players of equal or better ability - standing still in industry is regarded as going backwards, so make of our lack of good business what you will.I am so sad to see the state of our club, i would really like to know what is going on, it is so obvious that we are not going to finish in the top 4, mid table could be a struggle with our present squad and relying on the injury prone players we have, do we really expect a player of Van Persies ability and ambition to sign a new contract. Wenger said judge me in May, i did and found him guilty but the only thing that has happened since then is the sale of two of our best players thjat every one knew was going to happen except Wenger by the sounds of it. He said that iof we let them go we cannot be considered a big club any more - one of the more true ramblings he has come out with recently. We need to know what is going on at the club, is it Wenger or the board who need to be lined up and shot for what they have done to our once proud club.Other people have covered the new signings Wenger made and i do not want to dwell on them too much as they are not worth my time, but i must give a medal to my father who watches German football all the time, and when we bought Mertasaker warned me that he is the German equivalent opf the great Igors Stepanovs, i went to a gentlemans evening two weeks ago, whee the guest speaker was one of our more recent title winning ex players, and if you could have heard what the squad thought of Stepanovs whilst he was atr the club, you would break out in to a cold sweat now if he really is comparable to our new super centre back. Having said that we couyld have bought Bains and Cahill during the summer, but with the style of defending we employ ie no style i think we wouls still be shipping goals !Something must be done in January, but i cannot see it happening with our present manager and board still in place.

  50. Fred

    Sep 20, 2011, 9:50 #13066

    The only way that this board is going to wake up is for people to protest the game and not attend. No money spent will wake them up. Look at the amount of protests during the Iraq war to see the amount of good a protest does. You can protest all you want, but real change is when people are hit in the pocket.

  51. Richard Ansell

    Sep 20, 2011, 9:50 #13065

    CD is absolutely spot on with his comments and I know he does not make them lightly as he goes back as far as me (1970) in his support of Arsenal. Also I want to emphasise that he is not saying don't support the team, what he is saying is direct all your anger at Wenger and the Board. We have all been more than patient and it really is down to us as our supine Board and arrogant, stubborn manager will just carry on regardless until it gets even worse.

  52. Puneet Raina

    Sep 20, 2011, 9:30 #13060

    Defense needs to improve. Arsene should stop making excuses on behalf of the players.

  53. Sarf Lunden

    Sep 20, 2011, 9:22 #13057

    Dein is a personal friend of Wenger so hardly likely to put him in a room with a loaded pistol, a bottle of Whiskey and a cheery "au revoir". Usmanov is an investor. He, like Silent Stan, will want a dividend paid on his shareholding. So either chant isn't going to help. Maybe a massed roar of stay in line at the back four might be more use.

  54. nostra-damn-us

    Sep 20, 2011, 9:19 #13056

    Ive said this over the last 3 months and i repeat it again.AW has lost it.He is just too stubborn and i think we got our club taken over by an idiot in stan kroenke. We need to get our club back. We need a new manager....mark my words.... AW will get the sack.