Don’t’ Forget about the Arsenal Way

Time to blend the style with substance



Don’t’ Forget about the Arsenal Way

Arsenal v Barca: Showed team’s capability


I watched the Man United vs. Stoke game after watching Arsenal defeat Bolton. While watching this game something of an epiphany happened to me. I have been very critical last and this season of the manager, players, and board. I am no AKB, but do appreciate all Wenger has done. Yet, I am one who believes no one man is bigger than the club. I will continue to vent frustration on this site until I feel Arsenal are playing by the standards Arsene himself set and the board starts acting like proper caretakers of our much loved club.

I never thought in my life I would become a fan of any team in any sport like I have with the Arsenal. I am infatuated with the club, like so many supporters become. I feel gutted when we lose and/or perform poorly. I look forward to each successive game not wanting to miss a single minute of the action. Often, I go back and watch old games on my DVR just to enjoy some of our outstanding displays. I remember the Aston Villa game a couple seasons ago when Cesc came on and changed the game with his free kick goal. The Barcelona home game last season was perhaps one of a few supremely satisfying games these past 5 or 6 seasons. Yes, Barca is the best on the planet, but on that night our magic was displayed in front of a home crowd. The build up to and the goal by Arshavin is one of my favorites of all time. What drew me to Arsenal as a former youth coach and player of now 34 years is their pure attempt at the true game. Passing to me beyond anything else is what football is all about. It is what separates it from individual sports and allows it to stand out above other team sports. The continuous flow of the ball, the skill and technique needed, the pace of the game, and the connection and focus the players of great teams must have to reach that level is what I believe Arsenal fans love about our team.

Watching Stoke play United I was struck by a thought that spurred me to write. Yes, Stoke has a few decent, skilled players, but each time I watched Delap dry off the ball to attempt the long throw they are known for, I was strikingly reminded of how much better it is to watch our team than theirs (or most any team for that matter!). Yes, results and trophies are important. I for one have blasted the manager and board for not winning anything since 2005, despite being so close so often. And, yes the players are at fault as well. But, let me ask you this. Besides Barcelona, what team would most world fans say plays the purest form of football? Let me rephrase. If you were not an Arsenal fan to begin with and stranded on a desert island, with only one team to watch for a season, and it couldn’t be Barcelona, who would you choose? Many fans outside of Arsenal supporters love this team because even when they play poorly, there is still some quality. And when they play well, it is like seeing a beautiful sunrise to a majestic day. Even the Man United game this year had its moments where it seemed we could come back and get a point or at least make it close. Watching Stoke hack their way to a tie against United I was reminded of our great club’s ability to play masterful football. You can’t tell me Stoke has a better squad to get a result against United. On our day, Arsenal would destroy Stoke. But that’s football, isn’t it?

In the first ten minutes of the Stoke game Chicharito was badly fouled and injured. Stoke committed at least 3 other poor tackles early on. We all know how they play, it is no surprise what they set up to do against teams of better skill and quality. But, for my money, I could never be entertained and love a team like them as I do the Gunners. Just think of any of their key players and compare them to any of ours over the current and past seasons. There is no comparison. I think this is true for most teams in the Prem., save the top four. So yes, even though we need to keep some pressure on as fans that Wenger and the team performs to their best each game, we must always remember that we are the Arsenal. We are the club who went undefeated for a season. We have been in Europe for 14 straight years (this counts even though I have made it known this is not my favorite positive stat that Wenger throws out constantly!). We have won doubles, cups, trophies galore. We have enjoyed talents like Seaman, Adams, Bergkamp, Henry, Viera, Pires, Fabregas, Van Persie, and many other world class players. And even though that past was great, and we know what we’re capable of, it is still no good to rest on our laurels. We must defeat the Uniteds and the Stokes to be champions again.

Wenger must achieve and soon. But, whatever happens to the team and manager over the next few months, we must remember who we are. The football we play is often other worldly. Now the time has come to blend together the style with the substance, and win games. Period. The Swansea, Dortmund, and Bolton games show that we can scrap out wins and even still pass like the Arsenal teams of old and get an end product. And I can take some losses too this season. Just not too many and no more like the Blackburn or Man. U results. As long as we win many games along the way. When our beautiful passing doesn’t work, we must adjust, and still get results. All great teams do this, even Barcelona. This season it is time. We fans have been patient, heard all the excuses before. Deliver Arsene. The club’s fans deserve it.


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  1. Irg

    Oct 02, 2011, 0:24 #13632

    Interesting that you have quoted nothing outside of the wenger years. Go on admit it - he is the greatest manager we have ever had. He has, as you correctly state - reinvented the club. He is the greatest manager we will ever have. Get very real boys and girls - the greatest manager we are ever likely to have. I'd suggest that we enjoy it while it lasts. Cut the crap and support the man. I was on the North Bank during the 80's. I've been to far worse places than this. If some one would offer me a repeat of the last 15 years I'd bite their hand off.

  2. Joe S.

    Sep 30, 2011, 12:43 #13607

    As an after thought to the Olympiacos game. Arsenal's passing game is now quite average while the defence is exposed as being full of holes and accident prone. Where to from here?

  3. Goonerwoody

    Sep 27, 2011, 13:44 #13390

    Seriously, what rubbish! It must have escaped your rose tinted vision that in addition to Sunday league defending, we have added a certain impotence to our attacking game? We certainly are not the pacey, powerful and clinical attacking force of a few years back that's for sure. Little or no decent wing play and a laboured build up through the middle. Until Wenger plays 442 dropping van Persie into the "hole", things are not going to change any time soon either!

  4. Jeff

    Sep 27, 2011, 12:18 #13389

    @Welshiesrevenge, Hmm, We're so obsessed by you are we? Then why are you on a Gooner website? Bit ironic me thinks. Oh sorry, you're a northener. Ask someone to explain irony to you, perhaps with some nice colour pictures...Mug.

  5. Ramgun

    Sep 27, 2011, 11:15 #13385

    Oh dear. Where to start? Bergkamp's team played great football. There is nothing great in taking 25 passes to reach the half-way line and another 25 to reach a good attacking position from which we refuse to shoot. Why the hell are you comparing us to Stoke? Read all of the lies the supporters were told when we moved stadiums to compete against Europe's best. The fact that a club with Stoke's resources just out-spent Arsenal in the transfer window and are likely to finish above us should mean that the whole dishonest bunch from Wenger down should be out. Style without achievement is what we have had for years. Our identity, so strong since 1925, has been dismantled by Wenger and replaced with a spoilt bunch of over-protected, dilittante ballet dancers. Wenger has recreated Arsenal as a balls-free zone. Please don't give me any more rubbish about how wonderful passing is. You seem unable to grasp the facts that we are not very good and that football is a competetive sport and, whenever it really matters, Wenger's team does not compete.

  6. bunch

    Sep 27, 2011, 11:07 #13384

    I think the headline message, get some substance with the style is right. What I don't like is the Wenger-ite view that there is only one right way to play football. It's one of the major failings in the way he sets the team up is that he doesn't adapt to the opponents or who we have in the team. Part of the "scales falling from the eyes "for me regarding Wenger is the way Chelsea and Man U adapt their play to counter us. The FACup QF last season was a perfect example of Ferguson's triumphant pragmatism. This "one right way" stuff leads to un-earned arrogance. Trophies are what counts and we don't got none for 7 years, a period during which Tony Pulis has taken a Stoke team that were also-rans in the Championship to established Premier League team with a sound self sustaining approach. Stoke earned a point against Man U whereas we had a different result. You talk about "our great club" as though we have always been purveyors of beautiful football. Have you forgotten "boring, boring Arsenal"? A team, by the way, that would never have let in 12 goals in two away games.

  7. HP

    Sep 27, 2011, 9:20 #13381

    There is no written rule in football about how teams should play, stoke at least know how to play to their strengths and can get good results due to that. This whole 'beautiful' football doesn't exist at arsenal anymore and never should have existed, champion teams adjust their playing styles to the type opposition (like utd). We were always known for our defensive solidity and physical power, so what if stoke have the same attributes? besides we 've had more players sent off they are physical but thats their style of football and its up to teams to develop a good counter to it.

  8. Mark

    Sep 27, 2011, 8:53 #13380

    red and white observer - wiltshire's injury is a ware and tare injury. at 19 ! no one can tell me otherwise. wenger was desperate last 10 games last season when he knew wiltshire was on his knees not even training and yet he played him. dont tell me AW is not a tyrant because he is. he is selfish, talks endlessly about himself in the press when no one is interested, let the grass grow under arsenal's squad's feet and now we are well and truly on the back foot as a group of players. he cannot even get theo or rvp to sign long term contracts now. this is all of his making

  9. Joe S.

    Sep 27, 2011, 7:57 #13379

    To Welshiesrevenge,enjoy the high while the going is good. At least during the off season your boss tried to build a stronger team.Wegner would have been happy with being losing finalists and sat on his laurels even though he needed to be much more ambitious. Most arsenal fans may not admire the football but we do admire the pride in the shirt and the hometown spirit at Stoke. Unfortunately with Stoke's shoe string a few injuries and you could come crashing down to Arsenal's level.

  10. DW Thomas

    Sep 26, 2011, 22:55 #13378

    Interesting to see some Stoke fans on this site. Can't figure out why you would want to be on an Arsenal site if you're a Stoke fan, though. Regarding the passing, I will try to be more clear if I wasn't already. Yes, Arsenal displays incredible style at times, but I do not like their passing as of late most games, either. When I referred to passing I mean passing with end product and that does not mean 15 passes or more before a goal every possession. If you look at my example, the goal by Arshavin vs. Barca, we won the ball and put together 5 or fewer passes before the ball was in the net. I prefer that, passing with substance at the end (a la the Invincibles) to the last few seasons of tippy-tappy. I think we last had it in 07-08. I agree, not all Arsenal teams past played this way, but that is what we are now known and loved for by many fans. As far as the Stoke result and comparing that to ours vs. United, remember two things. First, Rooney was out at Stoke and I believe he scored 3 against us. Also, Chicharito was injured early on by a definite push by Woodgate into their keeper and United should have had a penalty in my opinion. I too would prefer some steel like Viera and Petit to toughen us up. We haven't had that midfield enforcer since Flamini left. And, I can't believe no one came to Van Persie's defense immediately when 4 or 5 Bolton players got in his face. We need more tough players all over the pitch. I do admire the way Barca press all over the field to win back possession. When we did this last season against Chelsea we got a great result. Yet, comparing Stoke to Barca because of defensive effort is Peter Pan land to me. Maybe Stoke plays that way because that is how they are coached and how they have to play to get results against technically superior teams. Make no mistake-I agree full out effort is always good even when you have a talented squad. Let's see how the season plays out before we say our defense is really that bad. I think the Arsenal players will eventually get that they have to play the full 90 minutes, fully focused, with consistent effort, always, to be champions--in one game or for a season.

  11. The Red & White Observer

    Sep 26, 2011, 22:16 #13377

    Mark 19:55pm 26th Sep 2011 "Wenger. he was so desperate second half last season that he over played Wiltshire. fergy never does that to his 19 year olds. Wenger is a tyrant, does what he wants, is accountable to no one, has the status of a god with the arsenal board and it is all wrong ! and will do nothing but harm to arsenal - Post No. 14840". I am always perturded by these diatribes/ comments. A tyrant, a God, No Accountable. Arsene is not a tyrant nore a God, and he is accountable to the fans and the Board ( really). When JW19 was playing during the 2010/11 season, many a supporter wanted him on that pitch, including the England supporters. SAF did exactly that... he was and still called Wayne Rooney. So much so he was emotionally exhausted and was sent of in the Euros ( remember). We always forget to remember... on well such if life. I hope JW19 takes his time and return in March for the semi finals of the CL, and Euro2012, and be part of the Great Britain Team for London 2012. Only one winner in this saga... England.

  12. Mark

    Sep 26, 2011, 19:55 #13373

    Wiltshire out for 5 months and 1 person to blame for that. Wenger. he was so desperate second half last season that he over played Wiltshire. fergy never does that to his 19 year olds. Wenger is a tyrant, does what he wants, is accountable to no one, has the status of a god with the arsenal board and it is all wrong ! and will do nothing but harm to arsenal

  13. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Sep 26, 2011, 19:42 #13372

    Ok. Cruyff created and implemented the current Barcelona style, for which he imported the basic blueprint from his Ajax days and then tailored it accordingly to suit the technical abilities of Barcelona players at all age levels, and designed tactically with the requirements needed to succeed at both domestic and European level. For some reason Arsene chose to try and replicate that almost from scratch about 6 years ago, which is baffling considering the near - perfect balance he had developed within the team between finesse and power from 2001 - 2004. Last time I was anywhere near Stoke, i'm pretty sure they had both electricity and access to t'internet, so why not save up between themselves to buy a computer and host their own fan's website? Perhaps name it something specific to the club, but with a sense of humour, as the best sites invariably do - my suggestion is "Ryan Shawcross - Best And Fairest". They could host a charity raffle, with a prize going to the Potter who correctly predicts how many matches Jonathan Woodgate will play this year. The prize could be a DVD of Rory Delap's 100 greatest throw - ins. Maybe they do have their own site but find that trolling our site is simply more interesting. I've never felt the need to go anywhere near a Stoke site so I wouldn't know for sure, maybe theirs is dead dull so that's why they're on here. One thing is or sure - in the past we had proper hard blokes in our team who would have dropped a mug like Shawcross on his clacker like the sack of **** that he is, nowadays I struggle to find one....

  14. Mike

    Sep 26, 2011, 17:22 #13370

    Don't forget the 6-1 defeat to Man utd in 2001? They were also playing the Arsenal way then with a much stronger team. Having said that they won the league the following year

  15. Paul W

    Sep 26, 2011, 17:06 #13369

    Not one of the better articles here. You are suggesting you are somehow more privileged than a Stoke fan. Well some people support Stoke not necessarily because of the style of play, but because that's where they live. I grew up in Basingstoke so I have an excuse for supporting Arsenal :) But I have seen some diabolical technique over the last 12 months from my team. I would love it if we had someone who could throw the ball as good as any corner.

  16. win AFC

    Sep 26, 2011, 16:56 #13368

    Stoke got a draw against utd so what, who gives a dam. I'M ARSENAL TILL I DIE. I dont care about any other club. As long as Arsenal win iam very happy.

  17. CanadaGooner

    Sep 26, 2011, 16:38 #13367

    ....if you go back in time you'll find that we stopped winning trophies when we started playing the way DW Thomas described in his article above. "The Arsenal Way"? This isnt the Arsenal Way ast all. Glitzy football with zero trophies is the "I an Wenger and I'm so great and Arrogant " Way. The Arsenal Way was when Veira had tackles flying in and Keown was in Rudd Van Nistleroy's face and Henry scored all kinds of goals with Bergkamp (so classy ones, other rugged ones when need be). Let's not be deluded here. I suspect DW Thomas only started following/watching Arsenal Games in 2005? The Arsenal Way, my friend, used to be THE WINNING WAY - whether it was boring, boring arsenal - or classy, classy Thiery - it was all about winning and challenging for trophies. Barca only play the way they do because it's won them everything.... We cant continue to allow Wenger to remain delusional! You cant outscore every team; certainly not the decent ones (you'll open yourself up to an 8 - 2 thrashing time and time again!) God help us at the Lane on Sunday if we try to play DW Thomas's "The Arsenal Way"! Gooner for Life!!!!!!

  18. Ron

    Sep 26, 2011, 15:21 #13364

    Knocking Stoke wont get you far however agricultural they are. Arsenal have needed some of their spite that you describe for a few years now and pre 2005 had it in oodles with any Arsenal team i can recall.

  19. Moose

    Sep 26, 2011, 14:08 #13362

    If you REALLY thought Stoke 'hacked' their way to a draw on Saturday, God help you. You are more deluded that I thought!

  20. Mark

    Sep 26, 2011, 13:59 #13361

    the culture of our team is wrong. there is no natural fight or defending mentality. thats why it was essential to secure Cahill and Parker. not because of value for money but to help change the culture among our players just the way Adams, dixon, keown influenced viera, petit, berkhamp. there is no winning mentality in our current squad of players and when the going gets tough, as it did not do on saturday, i will bet £100 every time we will capitulate

  21. Rarely

    Sep 26, 2011, 13:29 #13359

    I dont really see our passing being that amazing anymore to be honest. Kind of hard after the team is so different (players that is). I prefer the way United play- they're like a basketball team with loads going forward and loads going back. I was at Bolton and it was good to watch some of the passing which was nice and do like that style a lot but it feels like a pale imitation of the stuff a few years ago or barca now. Another commenter was right to mention Sagna though- he was incredible vs Bolton. Your articles also doesnt mention Arsenal off the ball- we need a LOT more committment and strength.

  22. Gunner666

    Sep 26, 2011, 12:23 #13357

    Think AJAX invented the Total Football well before we started under Wenger. Madrid and AC also played awesome footie before a tag was placed on us. We use to play "attractive" football but we've never been style setters or world beaters. I think some gooners live in a fantasy world of their own making. My two favourite moments in my gooner memory are Charlie George laying flat out at Wembley after scoring a screamer and Micheal Thomas doing that weird breakdance after scoring at Anfield. ALL BEFORE WENGER...........We were good then as well its not all about Wenger and the teams he's produced.As for Stoke, the excitement their fans feel and generate is a credit to them .The team must be doing something right, you never hear that kind of support at the grove, draw your own conclusions there. I do believe they play a bit like GG's team of the nearly unbeaten season, so they must be doing something right, and beating the scousers and drawing with Manure is doing us a favour I believe.Still as long as you believe in our beautiful passing and us being one of the greats perhaps we will win the championship on planet zog.

  23. leverage

    Sep 26, 2011, 12:12 #13356

    so now RVP has come out and said he is in no rush to commit his long term future to arsenal. i for one not blame him one bit given what has gone on at arsenal last 9 months. the manager and the board are to blame. dont be fooled by one result against a poor Bolton. AFC is in turmoil right now.

  24. Mike

    Sep 26, 2011, 12:11 #13355

    And Stoke has won what since the inception of Football? Hats off to thier fans for supporting them like they did on Saturday

  25. Jack

    Sep 26, 2011, 12:09 #13354

    Ferguson has got it right.Utd play great attacking but defend as a team.We play pitty patty football but we can defend.We have manager who is tactically inept.And that is why we will continue to be trophyless.If only football was like ice dancing and they awarded points for artistic content we might win the league

  26. chrisy boy

    Sep 26, 2011, 12:05 #13353

    DW Thomas, next time you visit the stadium take a look below the top tier and you will see a list of trophies we have won and in what year we won them, since the 2005 FA cup win i have not seen a trophy added to that list for tippy tappy winners 2006, 07, 08, 09, 10, now im all for watching great football but there has to be an end product, wenger needs to look at this way of playing as it has become so easy to defend against, do you remember the 2nd goal we scored at ****e hart lane when we won the league there, vieira's goal came 5 seconds after there corner with i think 3 or 4 touches of the ball by Arsenal players, now that goal no team could defend against, great goals dont always need 30 passes, can wenger see that and more importantly is he willing not to change his ideas on how the game should be played but just to mix it up a bit and change tacticts and methods now and again. Im not sure !

  27. Stoke Are The Dustmen of the Premiership

    Sep 26, 2011, 11:51 #13351

    "I think he is one of these people who is a voyeur," said the Portuguese coach. "He likes to watch other people. "There are some guys who, when they are at home, have a big telescope to see what happens in other families. He speaks, speaks, speaks about Stoke" - says a Stoke fan voyeuring on an Arsenal forum

  28. Theo's Underpants Designer

    Sep 26, 2011, 11:29 #13350

    How long have you been watching Arsenal? We didn't always play the way you wax lyrically about. Indeed, we hardly play like that now. Funnily enough, the thing that watching that same Stoke/Man Utd game brought home to me was how hard the Stoke players worked when they didn't have the ball, and the defensive discipline their players showed - particularly the attacking ones who ran their nuts off. The contrast with the effort our players put in when they haven't got the ball was striking!! Also to answer the author's question about which other team I would watch, that's easy - Man Utd. Exciting, attacking football mixed with character, discipline and getting the fundamentals of defending right. The truth is that the fantastic and exciting football associated with Arsenal under Wenger hasn't been there for a good couple of seasons, bar the odd performance. Unlike with his earlier teams, they are the exception, not the rule nowadays.

  29. Jekyll

    Sep 26, 2011, 11:15 #13349

    Trouble is that 'beautiful brand' of football is seen rarely these days, increasingly rarely. And the defence is always bad, that's not good for an AFC fan to watch (neutrals is another matter). I have to disagree that passing is what football is about. The supreme entertainment, surely, is seeing a move that ends in a goal. Not passing in itself. That's just frustrating. All foreplay. Certainly if football were all about passing and possession stats Arsenal would win the league every year. Perhaps in Wenger's world we do.

  30. Mandy dodd

    Sep 26, 2011, 11:13 #13348

    Most amusing, arry a better manager than wenger, he spends a lot more than our manager, achieves a lot less, and eventually leaves clubs in severe financial trouble. Please quality that statement Mark?

  31. Barry

    Sep 26, 2011, 11:02 #13347

    I'm Arsenal but this is a load of bollocks. I'd rather boring boring Arsenal again and to win trophies thanks

  32. leo zis

    Sep 26, 2011, 10:29 #13345

    Your article sir, reeks of some Wenger arrogance...Yes...Yes we played it beautiful in the past and what did we achieve..."Henry and Viera leaving Arsenal in disapointment over market inactivity" which could have turned our team into a truely Barcelona or Real Madrid-like machine. On your comments on Stokes...i was really impressed by their tight pressing game...Football, sir, is about adaption to the best survival skills to overcome a rival...Stokes illustrated to us "8-2"s how it is done. I love the Arsenal passing game, but i have heard it said so many times that Arsenal do not have a Plan B when the going gets tough...So please, give Stokes their due respect for bullying Red Face's team off the park on Saturday. Arsenal need some of that steel!

  33. allybear

    Sep 26, 2011, 10:10 #13344

    DW i enjoyed your article&no i would never want to support a team like Stoke but i must admire their heart and fight which is sadly lacking a lot with Arsenal.I have to disagree with you about the OT game as this was the biggest humiliation i have seen in 40yrs as a fan.Absolutely destroyed and as i have said on this forum before Wenger has presided over the heaviest defeats in Arsenals history.Please dont make this man out to be more than he is,he was good one time but he has been there too long and needs to go. I for one would forsake "pretty" football for some trophies and to see the back of Wenger.

  34. Welshiesrevenge

    Sep 26, 2011, 9:53 #13343

    God you Arsenal fans are obsessed by us.Good greif just because your on the slide it doesn't mean ,that you can pick us as rivals...Man u,City and the Ski play much better football than you and even Spurs will eclipse you this season. You seem to be repelled by Stokes style of football..we have other fish to fry,as Saturday showed we have lost our fear of the so called big teams and this can only be a good thing.We usually tonk you at the Brit anyway...get ready for us takeing points off you on your own patch...as the song goes'your not famous anymore'. The Baggies are a model you should be aiming for at least they have learnt that they need substance to go with there style.TBH you always compare yourselves to Barca....ooooh how they must laugh down the Nou Camp when they hear your fake claims.Egos the size of Texas and no end product EVER.The days of Bergkamp,and Henry have long gone,and if your board had any bollocks so would Wenger be. STOKE AND OOOOH SO PROUD [wink]

  35. Ronster

    Sep 26, 2011, 9:33 #13341

    The ''substance'' and the trophys disappeared once Graham's boys hung up their boots.It will soon be 11 trophyless campaigns out of 16 for Wenger.I'd rather put on the European Cup Winners' Cup Final DVD 1-0 victory over Parma any day of the week.

  36. chris dee

    Sep 26, 2011, 9:26 #13339

    My my 'our football is often other worldy'. Yep,in never -never land we rule supreme with Peter Pan. Supporters older than you can remember winning doubles,cups and European trophies while our football was 'down to earth'. So please enough of this Arsenal P R induced strange mystical,surreal,spiritual,good karma football that is so heartwarming and inspirational that fans don't give a s**t about trophies. It's all about trophies,it's about celebrating while the team do a lap of honour,it's about adding dates around the Emirates,it's about remembering good times. That's what big clubs do. If we want to join the big boys,like Barca,Real,A C Milan,Inter,Man Utd,Bayern Munich.Liverpool etc then it's time to stop living in this fairy land of the Arsenal 'brand'and start delivering what big clubs are all about.Trophies.

  37. Matty S

    Sep 26, 2011, 9:17 #13338

    Total football requires a brilliant team of individuals, akin to The Invincibles, or Barcelona now. The only player in our team that is the equal of his Invincible counterpart is Sagna, who is underpraised still. He may be even better than Lauren, but none other is close to this target. Maybe RVP on his day, Szczesny in the future, but for now, lets try winning in any way we can. No rule ever said the only good football was Barcelona-style.

  38. Mike

    Sep 26, 2011, 9:13 #13337

    At last some perspective. I posted earlier how we have been spoilt for the last 10 years in watching the beautiful game as it should be played. It hit me whilst watching the Bolton game in which it was a game of two halves. The first half basically aimless and the second half back to the penetrating incisive passes we are used to. I echo your comments about Barcelona, they have managed to perfect what Arsenal invented. I will watch the tippy tappy type football over the side to side long ball stuff anyday. Anyway agree with your post 100%. Arsene's youth project has failed due to the bigger spending clubs. I believe he tried to build a young team around Fabregas but lost too many key players either to bigger spending clubs or to injury at the wrong times, but one thing you can't deny is that Arsenal's brand of football when played correctly is lightyears ahead of anything else in the premier league.

  39. true gunner

    Sep 26, 2011, 9:01 #13336

    i'd rather watch man united unfortunately because their passing is also top nothc and they are more direct , stronger and faster...

  40. Dave47

    Sep 26, 2011, 8:58 #13334

    You must really love watching that joke of a defence you have. Football is not just about going forward it also involves being able to defend. Which Barcelona do. To mention Arsenal in the same breath is heresy. Arsenal are half a team. You just burst out laughing when you see them trying to defend.

  41. Mark

    Sep 26, 2011, 8:57 #13333

    if we finish mid table (current liklihood if wenger stays) do you honestly think RVP is going to stay next summer ? not a chance in hell. he isnt stupid. take him out of the current team and they are borderline relegation standards. everyone needs to hold onto their hats for saturdays result against spurs as i think we will get well sorted. Harry is a much better manager than AW and their CEO/Board are much more pro football results than bank balance

  42. Andrew Finney

    Sep 26, 2011, 8:49 #13332

    Dear God, who writes this rubbish. I'm a Stoke fan, I equally love my club. We love not being beaten 8-0. We play our way and we don't drag you lot into after match comments. Always quick to discuss how dirty Stoke are...you are the biggest bunch of Hypocrites I have ever come across. How many sendings off so far this season?? I detest you southern arrogant tossers, see you at the Brit, thats the loud stadium where we support our team for 90 minutes!!

  43. Pete

    Sep 26, 2011, 8:47 #13331

    "I think he is one of these people who is a voyeur," said the Portuguese coach. "He likes to watch other people. "There are some guys who, when they are at home, have a big telescope to see what happens in other families. He speaks, speaks, speaks about Stoke."