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The bookies had Spurs down as favourites in this fixture for the first time in many a year, and so it proved. At the end of the match, I was left thinking, what a shadow of an Arsene Wenger team we are watching these days. Not only was the defending at times atrocious, the possession was so often slack. The Spurs side that beat Arsenal were nothing special, but they didn’t need to be.

There are some that ventured this might be Arsene Wenger’s last game in charge. If only it were so. Stan Kroenke’s words of support for the manager last week had some preferring he’d stayed silent. It made bleak reading for those fans aware enough to realize that change in the manager’s office is the only way to get the club out of its current malaise.

There was a stat in the Sky Sports build-up to the game that in his 15 years at the club, Arsene Wenger had made a net spend of £12 million in the transfer market. To achieve what he has with such parsimony is unquestionably a remarkable achievement, but the point is that time waits for no-one. Wenger has been a great manager for the club, but the same was said of Brian Clough, whose final match in charge of Nottingham Forest saw the club relegated. Sometimes, you can allow people to stay on too long because of what they have achieved before. It is an irony that Wenger does not do this with his players, with his contract rules for over 30s, but when it comes to himself, his decline in managerial ability sees long contracts with no decrease in financial reward. The man is a busted flush and the players he puts out reflect the reality that this is a team on the slide.

Even forgetting the collapse at the end of the last season, the league record this season is Played 7, Won 2, Drawn 1 Lost 4. The attendances at the Sunderland and Stoke matches will be announced as close to 60,000 as the club’s staff have to work like dogs to sell 12,000 non-season ticket seats to the general public given that they are certainly not going to sell out to silver and red members. But there will be something like 10,000 season ticket holders that paid for their seats who do not bother to show up. And many of them, next May, will decide against renewing. Arsenal will not make the Champions League, so missing out on the attendant revenue and the gap between them and the top three will become the kind of gulf that used to exist between Arsenal and Tottenham.

The grand plan of investing in youth has reaped the dividends it was always going to. Inconsistency and failure to win the matches that matter. Now, we have an emergency repair job in the form of cheap experience that could do a job in a prepared, professional outfit, but are unable to perform the kind of Red Adair rescue mission required at Arsenal. It’s all gone Pete Tong, and with a huge wage bill to boot.

The legacy of allowing the manager so much power without any restraint is that, by the time UEFA’s financial fair play kicks in - even if it has any teeth - it will be too late. Wenger will probably still be in charge in 2014 if Kroenke is still the owner, and the club will have settled into a kind of Everton/Aston Villa pattern of league achievement. The stadium will on occasion play to 35,000 fans, but will still sell out for the bigger matches. The club will sometimes, but not always, partake in the Europa League. Current captain Robin van Persie will be winning medals with a new club that prioritises trophies over profit. Even Jack Wilshere will consider fresh pastures.

The good times are over, the final nail in the coffin the departure of Cesc Fabregas, who made the team look like contenders for the first three quarters of recent seasons.

Yes, it is only an away defeat in the north London derby, but I ask the AKBs to look at the bigger picture. P7 W2 D1 L4 Points 7. Since the Carling Cup Final, P18 W4 D7 L7 Points 19. The club will not be relegated, but it is just possible they may finish in the bottom half of the table unless things start to improve dramatically. Is that good enough for one of the top five money generating teams in Europe?

At the Lane, Arsenal occasionally produced glimpses of what once made the team something special. Echoes of better days. The goal was well taken and a few other chances fashioned. But the negatives far outweighed the positives, and to claim the Gunners might have deserved a draw and that Tottenham’s first goal was a handball would be clutching at straws. Spurs were poor in my view, but the visitors did not have enough to beat them. What was most worrying is that a supposedly committed defender like Bacary Sagna could not be bothered to track Van der Vaart with any sense of purpose in the build-up to the opening goal. And therein lie the danger signs. The lack of concentration in the build-up to Spurs’ winner stank of an absence of work on the training ground.

It looks like the 2011 Shareholders Q&A event with the manager will never take place, and the reason is that the manager does not want to hear justified criticism of his methods, rather than a full dairy. It is believed he will attend the club’s October AGM, which takes place after the home matches against Sunderland and Stoke. If he does, he will tell the assembled what an achievement it has been to qualify for the Champions League for 14 consecutive seasons. And although he gambled with selection against Olympiacos, as this season will be his last attempt at the competition for the foreseeable future, expect all the eggs to be in the European basket from here on.

It’s a slow, tortuous slide into mediocrity, one that will run and run until enough people stop caring enough to pay stupid prices to watch average football. Some say, well who would you get to replace Wenger? My answer would be anyone, a change is what is required more than anything just to freshen the place up. The players are not playing for the manager anymore and I am struggling to recall a more lacklustre approach to a north London derby. The easiest option would be to simply install Steve Bould as a caretaker manager for the rest of the campaign, which many wrote off after Old Trafford, and at least allow him to consolidate the defensive side of the team’s play over the course of the next few months, so that things are healthier for the new man the board go for next summer.

But you just know Arsene will be in charge this time next year, living off the memories and the balance sheets. One day, of course, it must end. Arsene Wenger is not physically immortal. But as long as the board’s main objective is profit rather than glory, nothing is going to change until they carry the man from Alsace out in a wooden box.

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  1. Scott

    Oct 08, 2011, 14:15 #13978

    Until David Dein is re instated in the board room it doesn't matter whether AW gets the heave ho or not. The leadership at board level is non existent while the old boys like PHW and KF are just happy to be still involved. DD was the man who dragged the club from mediocrity in the 1980s and is directly responsible for the success of the last 25 years. The American influence at Arsenal is a joke and is going to end in tears. Like everybody else I have been amazed at the dip in ticket sales take up by red members. The club are reliant on too many fans who have only really known the glory years and who will not pay silly money to watch us get humped at home by the likes of Sunderland and who can really blame them. Over the next few years I can see a return to the Highbury attendances of 20,000 - 30,000 from the early - mid 80s! I wonder if our American friend wants to hang about then when the balance sheet starts to slide!

  2. tpm

    Oct 04, 2011, 22:00 #13818

    what budget?? 2nd highest wage bill. even stan said there is money to spend. budget is a myth, yet again used by wenger defenders to shift blame from him. as for an alternative ancelloti, favre, van basten, hiddink, van gaal, any of th many germans, etc etc.

  3. Mike

    Oct 04, 2011, 10:26 #13767

    @A_Gooner- possibly the reason for AA not getting injured is he plays at 3/4 pace all the time. I am not happy with any of the defensive performances to date, but will at least like to see a consistant back four play for at least 5-6 matches together to form an understanding. At the moment there are four individuals playing. Hence the reason for saying I don't think Cahill or Samba will be the answer to the problems. Like yours, and yes it is a personal opinion, but I think that Walcott gives defenders more problems than Ashavin. Ashavin came to prominance in the European Championship a couple of years ago where he was inspirational for Russia, but he fell out of favour with his previous club team because of his commitment. The team will naturally be better balanced with TV and Wilshire back. Sagna again is a big blow - the back four have to be reshuffled again. And don't tell me its because of the medical team either. Sure, Wenger is accountable but not entirely responsible if you look at the injury list, especially in the defensive dept.

  4. Floyd

    Oct 04, 2011, 8:50 #13762

    yep thats a good idea, employ Steve Bould as caretaker manager for the rest of season that should do it. his credentials for this he is a ex player! championship manager this is'nt. he needs backing mainly financial, once he's gone you will see. no one can do what he does on the budget, be careful what you ask for..

  5. Mandy dodd

    Oct 04, 2011, 7:56 #13761

    Over to me? I am as fed up with our current form as anyone on here, I was not impressed that we did not get the likes of mata this summer nor am I especially pleased with how such errors have been allowed unchecked into our defending. But I defer to the likes of dein and keown who not only are intelligent reasoned measured men, they love the club and know what is going on behind the scenes, with players and finances, both are firm on the issue that losing wenger would be a disaster for the club. I do not trust everyone currently at the club but I trust these two on such matters. I also believe boycotts, protests and such things, however well intentioned will be counter productive to the team and will not influence the management. Wenger is at another rebuilding phase, which as usual will involve losing favourites and kids and bargains coming in. Like it or not, and I actually share your frustration here, this is they way the club will be run for a while, I just want to forget the circus, back the team and enjoy the football. I go with Alex Flynn, this season will be barren ultimately but we will challenge again from next year

  6. TheWineMouse

    Oct 04, 2011, 6:42 #13760

    The result was a big surprise to me i thought we would get hammered!With Sagna out as well i expect to have that feeling again,again and again.Time to support the team and see how far up the table we can get.We are so weak ive no idea how far up we will go though.Tough times ahead.

  7. Carlos Huezo

    Oct 04, 2011, 4:20 #13758

    I am an Arsenal fan (Arsenal fan in health and sickness)living in El Salvador, we get to watch eight live Premier League games here over the weekend. I am sick and tired of seeing such a great team play so disheartedly. I beleive the manager, Arsene, has stayed too long in the club. He has been a good manager, but its time for him to go. Please! As a 100% Arsenal fan abroad.

  8. Beerophile

    Oct 03, 2011, 22:36 #13756

    Ancelotti is available and wants to manage in the Prem - would be a good replacement for Arsene

  9. podgygooner

    Oct 03, 2011, 22:34 #13755

    Tony Evans, so the 'the vast majority of Arsenal fans' blame Wenger - what a load of old tosh. Thats nowhere the thinking of the majority who actually go, or have a beer before/after the game (from my vantage points in Block G and the Pins anyways ?!?)- just 'the vast majority' of those who still buy the Gooner I suspect.

  10. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 03, 2011, 20:59 #13751

    you are 100% spot on kev the spuds were nothing special they were there for the taking its sad to see how far we have fallen especially when you look at the prem table.I cant get the question out of my head what are we doing down there?

  11. A_gooner

    Oct 03, 2011, 19:12 #13745

    @Mike "it wouldn't be so bad if Arshavin kept on getting injured" What a stupid ass you are! This is one of very few top players in the team not made from glass, because he is not grown and coached by the Wenger physicists. Your chants about "lazyness" does not change this simple fact. Wenger forces him to play "tippy-tappy" wengerball, and still fans like you blame Arshavin for this. Is he lazy? How would you call the rest of the team then, yesterday? Are Walcott still "first 11" player for you? Whose defensive workout you were happy about? Oh, I guess. They all are world-class players, but nasty Arshavin spoiled them.

  12. Mike

    Oct 03, 2011, 16:35 #13738

    A guy breaks his leg and you question the commitment of the player? Funny. Talk about kicking a man when he is down. Lets talk fact. Ramsey was abismal. It would have been better if we played with 10 men and had him sent off with the amount of possession he gave away. Van Persie was in a position to score if Ramsey had missed. Praise him how you want to but the keeper was beaten by a shot from 40 yards out and was left flapping at it. He saw it all the way. The ball the should never have gone in. Sometimes a game is decided by a howler and that was it, despite making some brilliant saves. The first goal was hand ball. Can't argue against it, it was given. Carl Jenkinson is no replacement for Sagna. The game was fairly even throughout. Still don't think either Cahill or Samba or Jagielka are the answer. Look where their teams have been in the league consistantly. Don't know how it has gone so wrong so quickly - the team needs inspiration and there is no one to give it to them. Injuries are not helping either as KEY players are getting injured - it wouldn't be so bad if Arshavin kept on getting injured

  13. au revoir wenger

    Oct 03, 2011, 16:06 #13736

    It is not inconceivable that this Arsenal team could end up in a relegation fight

  14. dominick

    Oct 03, 2011, 15:17 #13732

    as ive said before, its all self-inflicted & both Wenger & the Board must take full responsability, profits over prizes is an objective for a team from the Championship downwards, not a big club like us. why is he selling our top players to rivals?? thats not what Barca or Real or the like do. I never in a million years believed we would be in this position, getting hammered by United & losing to Liverpool & the Spuds when we used to beat them for fun. Change has to come sooner rather than later or it will get worse.

  15. lee armitt

    Oct 03, 2011, 15:16 #13731

    Oh do shut up moaning thank god for Arseblog no moaning from him

  16. bigreddave

    Oct 03, 2011, 15:09 #13729

    Before the game I was chatting to a few spurs supporting mates and all of them told me they would only be satisfied with a win and nothing but, I on the other hand replied I would be happy with a draw or a narrow defeat, such is my expectancy of this current arsenal side, very disappointing watching this stuff these days.

  17. mark from aylesbury

    Oct 03, 2011, 14:07 #13721

    This is getting like a messy divorce with i reckon a majority wanting to hold on for old times sake and a minority like me thinking it should have have already broken up. I think the press will help in this, left increasingly isolated and friendless he must go. From our point of view we must boycott as Kronke will react to loss of income. Wenger out!

  18. Trevor

    Oct 03, 2011, 14:03 #13719

    I heard Martin Keown say on Talk****e this morning that Wenger was still the man for the job and has another 10 years in him comparing him with Fergie.What is wrong with Keown thank god for the likes of Merson Wrighty and McLintock who are not yes men and will not tow the Wenger is great party line.

  19. Old Timer

    Oct 03, 2011, 13:15 #13710

    Did you see Wenger's interview after the match? He looks terrible - stressed, haunted,almost physically unwell.Events since the Carling cup final seem to have taken a heavy toll on his confidence and self-assurance and who knows maybe his health too. If our manager is down and uninspired how is he going to inspire the players? And they have been sadly lacking in inspiration since March. Arsene is the finest manager the club has ever had. We owe him the opportunity to put things right this season but I really don't know where he's going to get his own fresh impetus from. I think the case for a change now rather than the end of the season is written in Arsene's face as much as in the league table.

  20. Stuart

    Oct 03, 2011, 13:09 #13708

    So, where do we go now? Truth be told, it's as bad as it's been since 1995. This is a team that doesn't know how to win, a team that doesn't go the extra yard to push themselves over the edge for the club, this is a team that looks like it has been pieced together the night before. There is no long-term plan, there are no tactics, no fight, no way out. Sad as it is, regime change is the only answer- about 3 years ago would have done the trick.

  21. goonergocarpfishing

    Oct 03, 2011, 13:02 #13705

    Mandy,we are already mediocre,what makes it stand out and harder to take and understand is how and why ? when i look back to what we were,how we played and who we had in our team it makes it a much more bitter pill to swallow.when at liverpool gio van b was sent off i still believed and was confident we would win yet this year at home i just prayed we would,not so long ago we beat and at times outplayed barca yet now if we got away with a home defeat by less than 3 id be happy.the thing is i dont see arsene going either way and so if he has any self pride and true feelings for our club he will spend and sort things out

  22. Paul

    Oct 03, 2011, 13:01 #13701

    @post 15223 Tony you hit the nail on the end.It has now got to the stage where i dont hurt when we lose even against the Spuds.I expected us to lose yesterday so it was no surprise.That is what Wenger has turned us into.8-2,conceding 4 at Blackburn now defeat in the NLD all blend into one and i have gone beyond caring.Arsenal are no longer a football club we are the toy of Kroenke and Wenger.I wish they would both **** off

  23. Ronster

    Oct 03, 2011, 12:41 #13698

    Kevin....listening to your co-author,Alex Fynn on the Robert Elms show,BBC Radio London saying the future is Arsene Wenger.How on earth did you two manage to bang out the book without coming to blows! :-)

  24. Tony Evans

    Oct 03, 2011, 12:32 #13697

    Mandy - It is not just the media and the internet that blame Wenger it is the vast majority of Arsenal fans. We don't need Merse or whoever to tell us that Arsenal are in a terrible state, we can all see that clearly ourselves. My definition of support is not just blindly going to every match and pretending everything is OK. If you care about Arsenal as a fan I think you have a duty to let the Board and manager know. Yes a mass boycott is unlikely to happen, and we seem to have plenty of cretins that will back Wenger all the way to the Championship but if enough of us said enough is enough it would make the Board sit up and listen. Your idea to just stick your head in the sand and do nothing is not going to achieve anything. As for 'podgygooner' I assume you were one of the idiots chanting 'there's only one Arsene Wenger'.

  25. JER

    Oct 03, 2011, 12:29 #13696

    That was a match we could and maybe should have won. But it would have only papered over the cracks. I feel we have the worst squad now since GG's final season and they are being badly coached and managed. AW seems unable to motivate the players now, some of them like Ramsey yesterday are so short of confidence. He stubbornly continues to play players out of position - RVP is wasted as a lone striker, Gibbs would be a decent midfielder. He could have bought Parker but apparently his technique wasn't good enough! AW looked haunted and broken after the match and I wonder whether he has the stomach for this much longer. He looks totally isolated at the club, partly his own fault of course, obviously his personal problems have taken their toll as well. Someone at board level has to step in soon for his and the club's sake. I would favour Ancelotti in by the new year, I think that is possible. When Spurs fans start taking pity on us then we are in a sorry state.

  26. Jason

    Oct 03, 2011, 12:03 #13695

    Wenger must be shown the door.Forced to resign.He's waiting around for the sack so he can get his money.Thanks for the memories,but its time for him to go.

  27. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Oct 03, 2011, 12:00 #13694

    I don't think people grasp the seriousness of the situation we find ourselves in. Arsenal are not in a false position in the league, that's where this lot belong. Yes Jack and TV will improve us when they eventually come back but not drastically. They won't make Gervinho less of a headless chicken, Theo won't all of a sudden be able to control a football, Ramsey won't just start tracking runners, Mertesacker won't take his calipers off. We really are this bad. I thought we done OK yesterday but that's only becuase I have massivley lowered my standards. RVP looked totally uninterested and the service to him was a disgrace. Someone needs to sort these bloody balls out as well, they need to fly true instead of like one of those old Shoot 99p plastic things. I found Kroenke stupid comments this week enlightening. Wenger has obviously hit his targets which is spend **** all and qualify for the Champions League. That's it, a nice tidy profit for the dimwitted Yank. It's a marrige made in heaven. The investor who is only interested in taking money out of the club and the manager who wants to indulge his ego project of not spending money and developing youth to show how good he is. The problem is Wenger is hugley over rated and some fans are starting to see through the spin. We are a club in crisis.

  28. Mark

    Oct 03, 2011, 11:51 #13693

    Parker put Arteta's ability in its proper perspective. we bought 3 or 4 mediocre players in a panic and we will suffer for it now. we have no winners except robin. however i am pleased to say we have £millions in the bank

  29. Dave

    Oct 03, 2011, 11:44 #13692

    How much longer can this continue, I'm so glad I'm passed caring on all this right now till Wenger is sacked/resigns and preferably Kroenke clears off too. Worst team I've seen for 20 years, this is just not Arsenal FC anymore its become Arsene FC and I laugh at all the defensive gaffs now its makes the sad reality of what is actually happening so much easier to take.

  30. will

    Oct 03, 2011, 11:27 #13691

    Don't disagree with the analysis, but if Wenger is a busted flush let's have a debate about the alternatives.we need someone who can get us into the top 4 on a regular basis,unearth fantastic players like wilshre, play fantastic football and compete with for trophies with clubs who have billions more to spend that we do.An alternative list might put some perspective on the current collective angst.

  31. Chris

    Oct 03, 2011, 11:18 #13690

    The problem is not Wenger, the problem is the way football has now become - the 3 sugar daddy clubs now rule the roost. If one of them wants one of our best players, they will just offer 2 or 3 times the wages and off they go. Its just happened with Nasri, watch it happen with RVP and Wilshere eventually. For the same reason we cannot buy the best players so we have to make do with others cast offs like Benayoun and co. No manager can operate under these conditions, even Ferguson, if he was at this club, wouldnt be able to do it. £12 million net spend since Wenger joined? Its incredible really, but now the gap is far to big between the top 3 and the rest. We are now one of ''the rest'' along with Spuds, Everton and Villa, and at the moment they are better than us. Bar a sugar daddy joining us, I cant see it changing in the future.

  32. allybear

    Oct 03, 2011, 11:11 #13689

    Its now becoming the norm after games for articles like this.We all know the problems but unfortunately i dont think it will change. Is AW and his coaching staff stupid? Like a lot of other people i expected a performance like yesterday.My frustration made me scream at the tv&i have decided that i wont get upset at the mediocratey anymore because thats what we now have.One more point,how does Mertesacker have all those caps for Germany?

  33. BNG

    Oct 03, 2011, 11:00 #13688

    Very good and honest article kev.........but what is the point caring when you have utter morons who stand and sing "one arsene wenger".........surely this is the same as cheering on the captain of the Titanic as he hurtles towards an iceberg

  34. Ron

    Oct 03, 2011, 10:52 #13687

    Agree with all of that Kevin. The Spurs posters on here are about right too. The performance was just so lack lustre and disjointed in so many ways, i cant begin to tell all just to say that Walcotts performance summed the lot up! Hos did he ever get to become a pro footballer? Spurs deserved it, but they too are far from being a top side, just better than Arsenal now as many teams are. Neither have a hope of CL football next Season in my view.

  35. Mandy dodd

    Oct 03, 2011, 10:44 #13686

    Lol all this silly talk about boycotts etc, well you know and I know it is not going to happen, so, maybe a novel concept, but try backing the team and helping them out of this? Is that not what defines the word supporter? Wenger out, that is not going to happen either, stan made that quite clear. Usmanov is not coming in for the forseeable so instead of getting all hot under the collar, why waste energy on things that will not happen and start enjoying the game again, free yourselves from the Internet and media cult that blames wenger for the worlds ills. The team is in bad place at the moment but as arsenal fans , we above all should know these things are cyclical. If you want to surround yourselves in doom and negativity, your call but the world is a much better place when you step outside such things

  36. Matty S

    Oct 03, 2011, 10:27 #13685

    I agree, Wenger is like Clough... undeniable brilliant but has daded into mediocrity. I think we should get Unai Emery from Valencia.

  37. podgygooner

    Oct 03, 2011, 10:09 #13684

    Another lazy article from what used to be a very readable sartorical fanzine which has now descended into subjective mediocrity. 'Some say, well who would you get to replace Wenger? My answer would be anyone, a change is what is required more than anything just to freshen the place up.' - what nonsense, if you think there is a better manager available (which you obviously dont!) then name him, otherwise stick with Wenger. Wenger is not perfect and obviously should have strengthened the squad sooner if only to show the likes of Cesc, van Persie et al that the Club has some ambition. Hopefully (?) that strenghtening will continue in January and that the behind-the-scenes work is being done from now til then.

  38. Merse69

    Oct 03, 2011, 10:07 #13683

    I always thought that spurs fans would enjoy this column and here's some proof! Arsenal were edged out (no more, no less) by a great strike and a less great piece of goalkeeping (from the otherwise superb Szczesny). Outside misery towers, it's recognised that Arsenal dominated the midfield for long periods and were much improved at the back. We're missing key players (in Vermaelen and Wilshere, our best defender and midfielder) and Sagna's injury is only going to make things worse in the short term... This said, ticket prices are stupid, and it's easy to see why some fans might find something else to do than pay 40 quid to watch Sunderland and Stoke.

  39. HowardL

    Oct 03, 2011, 9:22 #13682

    Sadly Kev, an excellent analysis. Again we controlled large sections of the game without the finishing touch after SzCz kept us in the game. I'm sorry for Wenger after all he has given to Arsenal but I cannot see how things can improve with him there. They were still talking top 4 for Arsenal on Sky yesterday, which dropped down to top 6 when Smudger was asked for his view. From the look on his face I thought it was more like "bottom 6" going through his mind. Relegation? On this form it's not impossible. Ferguson has kept United at the top despite the Glazers, so the Board is not the complete answer to a club's performance on the field. Three clubs will go down at the end of this season. Without a Manager change now - Kev's right, anyone - one of those clubs could be Arsenal. And looking at earlier posts, even Spurs fans will miss the rivalry.

  40. Dan h

    Oct 03, 2011, 9:12 #13681

    The reality is AW will not be sacked why?Well i'll give you £20m reason's why a cash concious board will let him carry on they are all to blame manager & board.The thought of IG making the appointment of a new manager he would veto anyone looking to be given a reasonable budget so talk of Ancelloti etc. forget it.More likely Moyes or O'Neill who work with small squads/budgets not a football man amongst anyone on that board money men.SK will let it run it's course AW is here until he quits or 2014 at least his teams in the USA are not exactly known for being competitive.The AKB followers are right in that we can't compete with City,Chelsea or Utd but by using that argument the rest of the league baring Liverpool shouldn't be able to compete with us!We are an RVP injury away from totally collapsing this season you reap what you sow & the summer told us what lay ahead this year.It does remind me of the early 80's the difference being football was more even financially then so imo what is happening at our club now makes it even worse.The balance sheet is the most important facet of our club according to the 'custodians' of the board.Soon it will hit them where it hurts no real investment in the team & no CL football as a result time for a reality check of what lies ahead without change.

  41. Tony Evans

    Oct 03, 2011, 8:43 #13680

    What upsets me most is that I don't care anymore. I expected us to lose to the Spuds and we did! If the Board don't care that our great club is sliding towards mediocrity then why should we. When I say 'sliding towards' I think that should read already there! 45 years a Gooner and I have been through all the bad times before but have never witnessed such shocking lack of effort and defensive nous.

  42. Final nail in the coffin

    Oct 03, 2011, 7:31 #13679

    We can rightly point to the board and clueless Wenger for the shambles the club now is.But us the fans must take a long look at ourselves.This summer after the disaster of last season when everyone who wasnt thick knew Cesc our best player by a country mile and Nasri were leaving and the board raised ticket prices by 6.5%.But the fans didnt do nothing like sheep they renewed their tickets.That was a vote of confidence in the way Kroenke and Wenger are running the club.The only way to get the message home is to BOYCOTT games.Kroenke is a money man empty seats means less money.As Gazidis said its the fans who will decide Wengers fate.We had the chance this summer and we blew it while Wenger and Kroenke are laughing all the way to the bank.Unless the concrete bowl is half empty nothing will ever chance and as for the fans who sang 'one Arsene Wenger' hold your heads in shame.Wenger and Kroenke must go now

  43. DW Thomas

    Oct 03, 2011, 3:16 #13678

    We needed better and more players in August, at the latest. Our lack of depth showed. The most shocking was Ramsey today. Scores a goal but plays badly the rest of the game. We don't seem to have even 3 or 4 players who will pull for each other and take pride in the shirt. I am deflated yet pissed off too. How have we come to this? I fear like many other fans we are on the road to mediocrity. And sooner rather than later. It can be stopped, but how? Verm will be back, Jack eventually, but we desperately need top quality reinforcements in January. And not just attackers. Van Persie can score but what does he offer as a leader? He too has won nothing in 6 seasons. Just follow Wenger's comments for the next couple weeks and compare them to anyone else. He can't be taken seriously most of the time anymore. There can me no more passing the buck. Each player and the manager most importantly must stand up and be counted. Each and every game. We need new ideas, change.

  44. Shropshire Lad

    Oct 03, 2011, 1:38 #13677

    Time for Wenger to go ' upstairs' as Technical Director. Get rid of the two Amigos who run the first team coaching and employ a first team coach with the ability to give structure to the team and put the fear of God up the non performers. If you want to placate him take on the bloke he keeps recommending should succeed him Dragan Stojkovic. I wish I was as sure as you that we will not get relegated. The recovery from the slide after the Birmingham fiasco did not take place because there were no Men to take leadership when the 'children' panicked. Did we sign anyone to take that role? No we let the Spuds sign him - Parker - and why did we not sign him? Because apparently Wenger doubts his technical ability! Not like Gervhino, Mertsacker and the Brazillian winger (oops sorry, full back) then, they ooze f.....ing technical class along with the poor mans Fabregarse, Ahtitter!! If it wasn't so calamitous it would be funny. as Danny Kaye once sang 'The King is in the altogether.......'!

  45. Nozzer

    Oct 03, 2011, 0:53 #13676

    Wenger has consistently ignored the teams defensive failings and not dealt with them. That is poor management, pure and simple. The board are accountable bexause they continually sell our best players year in year out and we don't replace them. That combination has left us 15th in the premier league. What was the point in leaving Highbury because we are not competing with the bigger teams like promised. I think Wenger has had his time, he was fantastic but he needs to go and the board/owners need to go or change the way they are running the club.

  46. Jim

    Oct 03, 2011, 0:14 #13675

    I'm sorry, I was too distracted by the absence of Cahill and Jagielka to take anything you say seriously

  47. Ronster

    Oct 03, 2011, 0:11 #13674

    George Graham would spit feathers and vow to put it right on the training pitch on the rare occasions his back four had a stinker.A succession of clean sheets would inevitably follow.The current malaise at our supposedly model club beggars belief...it's now gone beyond a joke.

  48. Nick

    Oct 02, 2011, 23:57 #13673

    A great article. Ive thought for a while now that Wenger's time is up and todays game was yet another nail in the coffin. It makes me very sad to think about Arsenal without Wenger after all the great memories he brought us but head must rule heart. My heart wants desperately to believe that he can turn it all around in spectacular fashion and stick two fingers up to the lot of us but my head says the magic's gone and the situation will only get worse. Everything about the club just feels so flat these days and although I know it's the right decision I just don't want and never thought it could end like this. Wenger will always be an arsenal legend ....but it's time for change.

  49. Nick Bowler

    Oct 02, 2011, 22:50 #13671

    A question for the pro Wenger brigade, I won't call you AKB's cause you'll get all defensive. When does this situation become a crisis? Wenger has to go and if the board and owner want to go as well even better

  50. jjetplane

    Oct 02, 2011, 22:33 #13670

    You know your in the graveyard when Spurs fans join up with Ferguson saying 'what a shame about Arsenal'. It really is over and you can hear the pins drop ....

  51. Fozzy's mate

    Oct 02, 2011, 22:18 #13669

    Mandy, please open your eyes. Todays display was devastatingly predictable in its outcome. Lacklustre, careless and at the end gutless. Chesney although at fault for the winner saved us from humiliation which like the Blackburn game is unbelievable as we controlled considerable periods without any real direction or purpose. To describe our back play as defence is a misleading statement. Oh and Mandy, in Silent sickly Stan we have found somebody more in love with Wenger than you. In his love letter in the telegraph he gave the reason for his love as that Wengers ability to "spend money and extract value". Am I alone in looking at the performances this season and the end of last and fearing a relegation scrap. So far we have faced 3 teams who will be top 5, 1 (newcastle) who will be mid table and 3 relegation strugglers and have a tally of 1 point a game. In the next 2 games we host 2 teams who we must now consider our equals. And Mandy now Mclaren is out of work, I agree the mugs at the top would probably seek him if Wenger were to fall on his sword due to his ability to extract value!

  52. Lee

    Oct 02, 2011, 22:18 #13668

    SACK THE BOARD!!!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! WE DONT CARE ABOUT F****N PROFITS! WE WANT TROPHIES!!

  53. AFC1989

    Oct 02, 2011, 22:14 #13667

    Totally agree. The experimental methods have gone wrong, and the consequences of no champions league dont bear thinking about. There are too many players now that are being paid good money for poor football and wont stand up and fight when things are bad. We should have bought British defenders when we had the chance instead of moaning of the extra million or two, and opting for a Squillaci or a koscielny, ligue 1 defenders cannot cope with the pace of the British game and Wenger persists in signing them. I am hugely greatful for the distant past in Wengers reign, but the time has come for change in manager. We need discipline in defence more than ever, and nothing will ever change under the current manager.

  54. Viking

    Oct 02, 2011, 22:13 #13666

    There is so much wrong with the team right now, it's tough to know where to start. Every individual in the back 4 are capable of making a mistake at any time, and today it was the goalie, and Pers ( consistently ). Our perceived saviour centre back is useless, he looks clumsy, slow, gets beaten on the deck and in the air and does not look like the authorative figure we are looking for. Bad panic signing. This from a defender who is mature and has over 70 international caps! Gibbs played well, he gets a lot of stick on here, but remember he is a kid, and he has jokers all around him. Theo does nothing, his new party trick is to cross the ball every time he gets it, not only are crosses to no one in particular, they are usually poor too, very rarely does he ever beat his full back. But don't worry, we have Shava on the bench to change the game and scare the opposition!! And Park too!!! And even Chamakh - what an absolute joke. Wenger has built this team, and it is him who should be held accountable. Our football now is slower than before, still tippy tappy, except there is no longer the tappy, as we cannot string too many passes together! I fear for us this season, we should of at the very least have signed Cahill, Samba and Parker. All players that would have made a difference, given us heart, steel, passion and commmitment. But no, we have Benayoun, Park and Pers. How many saves did our keeper make today, and how many times did we work Brad?! Not enough. We need goals, as we can't keep them out at the other end. We always look vulnerable, I just can't understand what is going on in training. The one player who could have made a difference had he been on the bench was the Ox, at least he can beat players and make something happen. But he was discarded in favour of Arshavin. I'm so fed up! Tactically inept, one up top? Why?! Utd, Liverpool, Spurs all play 2 strikers and go for it, why can't we?!!!

  55. ian

    Oct 02, 2011, 22:12 #13665

    Are the club and wenger the only people who can't see that we are falling from grace at a alarming rate!! in 38 years, this is the worst squad we have!! Thanks for the memories Wenger but time for you to go!!!

  56. Gooner SA

    Oct 02, 2011, 22:11 #13664

    Why shouldn't we make a point of the handball? Van Der Vaart CHEATED to score a goal in a 2-1 victory. A manager who thinks that finishing in the top four is success rather than an actual trophy has lost all ambition and self respect. Defensive coach? I am the magnificent Arsene and I do not need any help (except for finding my marbles)!

  57. Ramgun

    Oct 02, 2011, 22:01 #13663

    Well done Mandy. You have finally spotted the fatal flaw! Until the dead hand of Wenger is removed there is no hope of Arsenal re-emerging. Just as in 1966 the only way forward is to empty the stadium. And before any AKB Muppet comes on here and and comes out with the usual brainless twaddle, the 1966 boycott led directly to all the success that followed, so don't bother with 'Go support Spurs/ Man City' or ' support the team no matter what' or the most stupid one of all 'Who else could manage Arsenal?' as if the club which pre-dated Wenger by 110 years will have to be wound up when Wenger dies! I hate to think how low we are going to have to fall before Bob Wilson, Hill-Wood, Gazides, Kroenke and the chanting, banner waving Wenger-zealots see that their king is wearing no clothes and, what's more, has been stark naked for years!

  58. Mark

    Oct 02, 2011, 21:53 #13662

    Daniel Levy in June 'Modric will not be leaving this club this summer' Wenger in July 'Nasri and Cesc are staying' sums up the direction both clubs are going.RVP and Wilshire will be the next to leave.I wish it was the useless Walnutt but who would buy him.On todays game Szczesny kept the score down again.Arteta and Ramsey were shocking.Arteta looks what he is a last minute panic signing.Replace Cesc and Nasri dont make me laugh.Gervinho looks what he is a good player in the French league and like Chamakh cant handle the prem.We are a team of average players with an average manager

  59. Andy W

    Oct 02, 2011, 21:45 #13661

    Fact Spurs have a stronger squad than us and can field a better playing 11, what a sad state of affairs and just sums up the current situation.

  60. Any New Iron

    Oct 02, 2011, 21:32 #13660

    Once again Kev, succintly put. Arsenal FC are in their death throes, and all who love Arsenal will hurt. Wenger's barmy carousel continues, and an alternate course is not even on the horizon. Those who believe a turn of fortune is upon are deluded. This 'sustainable model' is unsustainable! A top 10 finish is now equatable. How we have fallen. Wenger out, again!

  61. chrisy boy

    Oct 02, 2011, 21:28 #13659

    the fact that stan came out and gave wenger his full backing speaks volumes for the ambition of the current board, we need a clean sweep at the club, a new owner who attends every game ( usminov ) a new manager that has no loyalty to this bunch of very poor players and a new medicle team, ( bet we dont see sagna now to next year ). The only way we will get these changes is through us as fans, so lets start the ball rolling at our next home game. I want my Arsenal back

  62. SilverGonner

    Oct 02, 2011, 21:27 #13658

    It wasn't that Spurs played really well good today - it is just that were better than us. Which just goes to show how low our standards have fallen. Does anyone else find all this is getting really tiresome? You know, the same BASIC mistakes being made game after game. Normally I would be thoroughly depressed after todays result but the truth is I am not. The sad fact is that until Wenger goes it is going to be more of the same.

  63. Gee

    Oct 02, 2011, 21:24 #13657

    Get him out and install Ancelotti. At least we'll have a team who will be organised and get the best out of our frontline. No one has a clue what to do without the ball and simply instructing them to "keep possession" is no longer enough to ignore the defensive side of the game. We haven't won 3 league games in a row since we beat Stoke in Feb 4 days before the Carling cup final.

  64. nck

    Oct 02, 2011, 21:24 #13656

    covoteapot is right, the basics of defending are completely lacking and if we spend all our time in training on technical passing play, why the hell did we give the ball away 100 times with passes straight to the opposition?

  65. Steve H

    Oct 02, 2011, 21:22 #13655

    Agree entirely with your summary Kevin but what is really worrying me is that I'm starting to not care any more. I have been a season ticket holder for 30 years and this is truly the lowest I have felt. It is clear that the only way we can get Wenger to resign is through fans action & protests, but this seems so unlikely to happen that we will probably have many more years under Wenger's management. Did I really hear 'There's only one Arsene Wenger' being sung by our fans today !

  66. Cuba

    Oct 02, 2011, 21:08 #13654

    At the end of mighty Keith Berkenshaw's tenure, Spurs were in the abyss, except for a short period of EL Tel's reign when we had Gazza & Linekar, for years we suffered. Occasionally we earnt a draw against the Gooner scum but nowadays we seem to always do them, even when we don't play that well! Several weeks ago before Spurs went onto 4 wins in a row, there were Spurs fans online calling for Harry's head. Let's not get carried away, Arsenal just need character and some attitude in their ranks. Wenger is the best thing to have happened to the Gooner scum, so why bite your noses to spite you're ugly faces>?

  67. blowin in the wind

    Oct 02, 2011, 21:06 #13653

    busted flush..games up arsene!!!!!rubbish signings have come home and bitten us in the bum..the youth policy is gone we now buy in players who only 6 years ago would have been shown the door as old uns.why did we not buy a back up keeper in the summer?so still in the wings is flapianski.and why over the last 6 years have we bought only two quality defenders sagna and the veriminator?..bottom line this team is very very poor,we cannot expect the new boys to bed in only after a handful of games,but our squad looks very weak....i think wengers got until january....for the first time in 15 years the list of players who should be moved on appears to be over half of our squad...they are just not up to the job...relegation??????????

  68. Nick

    Oct 02, 2011, 21:04 #13652

    We had a chance to establish ourselves as a genuine, permanent bulletproof european superpower but instead of buying top quality players every transfer window with the lure of champions league football, we've kept the money in the bank and we're left with a squad of nobodies with no footballing brains. robin hood in reverse, wenger,the board and the players all very rich at the expense of the fans paying top dollar for substandard fare.

  69. IMAC

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:57 #13651

    Well said Kevin. Wenger is not going to get sacked while he is making money for the club. I can see us finishing around 8-10th at best. The manager may go. His replacement will come in and be told we have to sell players because there is no european money coming in and we have to get the wage bill down. This will mean the best players are sold then we will decline further into mediocrity. Some people will then probably blame the new manager. Tough times ahead.

  70. leo zis

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:45 #13650

    The Arsenal goods days are gone...sigh! I watched some moments especially just before the Arsenal equilizer and just after were glimpses of the old team floated on my screen...but it wasn't long before i was brought back to earth again...Arsenal is not in a crisis...we have gone beyond that stage now...we were in a crisis when we lost to Birmingham last year...Now, with a dose of transfer stubborness, we are in free fall...Look out below!!! (sigh!)

  71. berty bassett

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:40 #13649

    Looking at spuds the other week against liverpool they were nowhere near their best today and still had enough to beat us (had the more and better chances too!) very worrying. Wenger has to go unfortunately

  72. Carlos

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:39 #13648

    We played like what we now are, a middle to bottom tier Premier League team, and were beaten by the odd goal in three by over confident local rivals who did the bare minimum required to win, completely closing the game down after they took the lead. All with a wage bill "only" 15% below Man Utd's. Where did Wenger get his much lauded degree in Economics?

  73. afrix

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:35 #13647

    kevin I do not understand why they AKBs still believe wenger can change things, hence I believe it's also the fans who give wenger so much power & licence to continue with his destructive ways. I hope soon they will speak with one voice in wanting wenger to leave and should he defy that as expected then vote with their feet, simply not attend matches while Wenger is still around.

  74. Sad

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:33 #13646

    Agree with the article. So many negatives at the mo, where do you start? Looks like we missed our chance to be a top club. Foreign owned, faceless foreign players, weve lost our Arsenal FC.

  75. Covoteapot

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:29 #13645

    How many more times am I going to scream 'Pick them up!' at Arsenal's players when I watch them sleeping at corners, throw-ins, free kicks etc? How many more ****ing ****ing times?!! It does my ****ing head in. The basics, yet again, not being done. Its getting beyond a joke. No-one in that team screams at each other to mark players. Sandro given the freedom of White Hart Lane at a throw in and it leads to their second goal. Why aren't these basic flaws being rectified? Why the **** not? Frustration doesn't even begin to sum it up. Rant over. Until the nxt game.

  76. GoonerGoal!

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:24 #13644

    Welcome to the time of Attrition, a time not seen since the final months of the reign of GG. When watching Arsenal becomes a duty rather than a pleasure, and when you know before-hand its going to be bad, or at best ordinary, with only the odd spell of magic thrown in to tease and remind you of what you once took for granted. I once took it for granted that every Arsenal team knew how to defend, but those times have long since passed. Now we have a manager whose legendary poor eyesight has extended to not seeing what is clearly obvious to everybody else, while declaring that, “Arsenal do not need a defensive coach…” How did the gathered journos prevent themselves from greeting that statement with loud guffaws or falling around laughing? Anyone fancy a quick chorus of "One Arsene Wenger.." after yet another defensive debacle? No I didn’t think so…

  77. PaulP

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:20 #13643

    Spurs fan here. I think you'd be wrong to sack Wenger now. He deserves at least until the end of the season, given everything he's done for your club. Thought you played well today. I was expecting us to beat you a lot more convincingly. Thought we were poor, but I put that down to Redknapp playing Defoe, VDV and Adebeyor together. Sandro should've started, and then you wouldn't have had the ball us much as you did. If Van Persie stays fit, I think you'll still finish in the top 6. If not, you'll be in the bottom half.

  78. Kirky

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:19 #13642

    Wow! I'm a Spurs fan and can't believe how harsh your views are towards Wenger.

  79. stevus

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:18 #13641

    As an attending fan of 35 years standing, it's sad to see the side revert to the early 80s model, when an away league victory - anywhere - was like a long lost friend. A coherent pattern of team organisation and defensive discipline is woefully absent every week...and mediocrity is rewarded. In 1983 I consoled myself that the future was Tony Adams and I was right, but it took the appointment of GG in 1986 to make the squad's talented ingredients work - through bloody hard graft and a winner takes all mentality. We need the man who will deliver the success that Wojciech, Jack and Ox's talents will surely one day warrant - and it isn't Wenger, great though he once was.

  80. sdarko

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:17 #13640

    I'm impressed that you can compose such a sober analysis when you must be hurting. I'm a Spurs fan but I'm not here to gloat, not at all. I am bewildered by what has happened to Arsenal. They seem to struggle to get their best players on renewed contracts and, as you point out, they seem to keep getting the basics wrong. As for Spurs, the truth is that they won today without playing well. Spurs have of course improved but they've not become title contenders. If the 'power' in north London has shifted, it is partly to Spurs' credit but it owes most to Arsenal, seemingly intent on flattering their neighbours by being simply dreadful.

  81. Bob

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:17 #13639

    Arsene Wenger's new nickname should be 'Limbo'. How low can the bar go? We have relentlessly lowered our expectations over the past five years. The only thing which has not been lowered of course are the sky-high prices charged at The Emirates. Chickens are slowly but surely coming home to roost, with more and more matches going on general sale. The trickle of Club level non-renewals will become a flood next summer, and season-ticket holders, many of whom have resorted to sharing, may decide they can no longer justify spending even half of the extertionate amount to see the increasingly desperate fare. It will end in tears, of course, but if Wenger had gone at the end of last season he could still have been largely remembered for his significant contribution to our recent history. Now, month by month, he is slowly but surely tarnishing that legacy. As a proud man, he will surely look back and regret that he stayed on so long, just as Clough did. Cloughie's excuse was that he was under the influence. Wenger seems simply intoxicated with his own failed methods.

  82. Dan

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:13 #13638

    Should we not be targetting the board with our anger? They seem to be getting off scot free from any blame or anger, I am not removing blame from Wenger at all but it starts at board level and finishes at board level. I'd love to see a large protest against the board.

  83. Mandy Dodd

    Oct 02, 2011, 20:13 #13637

    But if the club become as mediocre as you say in the long term, there will be no profit, so if you are correct about the boards motives, surely this approach would be self defeating?

  84. Gooner4life

    Oct 02, 2011, 19:56 #13636

    agreed...had enough of wenger and his methods..making us look like a laughing stock now..players not good enough dont work had enough done care enough need i go on ? and i agree I think wenger has lost the dressing room..walcott and arshavin need outing.,and whats with all this playing one up front crap ? it aint working..WENGER OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!

  85. StuartL

    May 01, 2011, 18:03 #6087

    It's probably due to the fact that we don't practise defending those exact circumstances (corners and free kicks) why we are so poor against teams who rely on those opportunities to score from - Stoke, Bolton, Blackburn etc We are not organised enough which constant practise would instill into us and perhaps make us less panicky as we could be on auto pilot as opposed to ****ting a brick anytime its in our own box. not difficult but requires some hard graft and repatition not doing the technical side of the game, which Wenger appears to be over reliant on.

  86. Evan

    Apr 30, 2011, 12:48 #6041

    Wenger thinks defence is what goes around his garden.Every night Wenger should get down on his knee's and thank George for leaving him the best back four ever.Wenger's CB signings Stephanovs Cygan Senderos Silvestre Squillaci and Koscielny.Wenger hasnt a clue

  87. Dean

    Apr 30, 2011, 12:27 #6039

    We're not particularly bad at free kicks that are close to the box (fabregas, RVP and nasri all have good free kicks) but free kicks that are far away, throws and corners are where we need to improve. Most teams (even smaller ones) are able to defend against us because we don't have one towering player. Hopefully the verminator can fix this.

  88. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Apr 30, 2011, 12:05 #6038

    Very simple isn't it Simon? But if we can all see this what are Wenger, Rice and Primorac being paid big money for? Keep up the good work and I look forward to your article in the Gooner tomorrow.