Four reasons why Wenger should go

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Four reasons why Wenger should go

A perfectly decent upstanding gentleman


The first point I should like to make is that this is not a character assassination. It is not an attack on Arsène Wenger the person, who, I am sure, is a perfectly decent, upstanding gentleman. It is, however, an attack on Arsène Wenger the manager, and will hopefully serve as a comprehensive rebuttal to those who claim that he should remain in the job for the foreseeable future. For those who agree that he should go, there is the question of the board’s role in all of this, and it is my firm belief that its members are as much to blame as the manager for this great big mess we are in. However, that is a matter for another article. For now, I am putting forward four reasons why Wenger needs to go. There is no arbitrary reason why the number is four. It just so happens that these are the four things that have sprung to my mind whenever I have thought about the situation. So, in no particular order, here they are:

1: The 8-2 disgrace at Old Trafford.

Arsenal is a massive football club with a history of success. It is, in fact, the third most successful club in the history of English football. A team of that stature should not be conceding eight goals to anyone. Ever. Most, if not all teams will go to Old Trafford this season and not concede eight goals, and only one of those teams, Liverpool, has a more impressive history than Arsenal. Make no mistake: by allowing this to happen, by sending his team out without any noticeable tactics aside from ‘play your football and the opportunities will come’, without the new signings which should have been brought in before the start of the season, Arsène Wenger has brought shame on the club which will probably never be lived down. Even if we do become a successful club again one day, unless we somehow manage to put eight past United, their fans will forever be reminding us of what happened that day. Some, including Wenger, have said we were unlucky with injuries, and, as a result, had to play with a number of inexperienced players. To those people, I say: Robin van Persie: Dutch international; Theo Walcott: England international; Johann Djourou: Swiss international; Aaron Ramsey: Welsh international captain; Andrei Arshavin: Russian international captain; Tomas Rosicky: Czech international captain. Lack of experience was not a huge factor. It was the lack of a clear strategy to win the game or, at least, to come away with a draw, that was to blame for this result. Another manager might have had one.

2: Refusal to spend money.

Okay, Arsenal are not in the same position financially as Chelsea, City or United, and if there is one thing we have learnt from the Torres transfer, it’s that spending an obscene amount of money on one player is not always sensible. But we are not poor, and there have been various comments over the years from Peter Hill-Wood, to that effect - comments like ‘we have got more money than we have had for a long, long time, and we would like to spend it.’(Mail Online, April 16th, 2010); ‘we have plenty of money and enough to spend.’ (Goal.com, August 31st, 2008); ‘it is our policy that we give the manager a transfer budget, which includes the ability to use all the money from player sales.’ (The Guardian, May 27th, 2010). I will not go into detail about how much Wenger could have spent on new players following the sales of Fabregas and Nasri; you can do the maths for yourselves. I will make the point, however, that when Wenger did decide to splash out this summer, it was to the tune of £12 million on a teenager from League Two in the mould of most of the attacking midfielders we already have, when what we have desperately needed for the last season and a bit is another central defender, several of whom are available at around that price, with Premier League experience. He was also willing to let Samir Nasri run his contract down, which effectively would have meant us paying £23 million for him for one season. So the problem is not just that Wenger won’t spend the kind of money that needs to be spent and is available, but that when he does spend, it is on players we don’t actually need. Another manager might be slightly more astute in the transfer market.

3: Refusal to change the training methods.

Admittedly, I don’t have access to Arsenal’s training sessions, so I don’t know exactly what is going on behind those enormous castle walls, and it is entirely possible that Wenger is going to great lengths to drill the defence and get them playing as a unit. If this is the case though, there is not much evidence on the pitch that this is what is happening. Even if it is, whatever he is doing with them is clearly not working, and has not been working since the Carling Cup final defeat last season, so something needs to change. For most of last season, we were able to keep the opposition away from our penalty area with possession football, which was great, and for most of the season we had a better defensive record than United. But since that monumental collapse against Birmingham, possession football doesn’t work for us anymore. Wenger, however, seems to be too stubborn to admit it, and as a result, we have made a catastrophic start to the season and there is no indication that things will improve any time soon. Another manager might actually go back to basics and start working on the defence, instead of letting them make the same old mistakes over and over again.

4: There are several decent managers available now to replace Wenger.

An argument I hear a lot when I suggest that it might be time for Wenger to go is, ‘who will replace him?’ Well, how about Martin O’Neill? What about Carlo Ancelotti? What about Guus Hiddink? What about an as-yet, relatively unknown young, but talented manager, which is exactly what Arsène Wenger was when he first joined the club? There is a real danger that if we wait another few years, we might not be able to attract a top-quality manager on the grounds that we will no longer be a Champions League side. Surely it makes more sense to replace Wenger now, while we are still in the competition? If we wait any longer, when he does eventually go, the best managers might not be available to us.

So there are my four reasons why Wenger should be replaced. I am not saying that he is not the greatest manager this club has ever had. He gave us the best football and some of the best players the world has ever seen, and for that we, as Arsenal and as football fans, should be eternally grateful. He introduced new training methods, new fitness regimes and new diets to help players perform better, and that has benefited everyone in the Premier League. But since then, other clubs have caught up, thrown money into the mix, and surpassed Arsenal. The longer Wenger hangs around, the more danger there is that people will push his successes to the back of their minds and remember him simply as a manager who refused to acknowledge that the football world around him was changing. If he goes now, voluntarily, he can do so with a shred of his dignity still intact. If he waits until the end of the season, it may well be too late.


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  1. Wombledin

    Oct 16, 2011, 21:41 #14260

    Ya daft sausage, you forgot to mention the two most obvious and important reasons to sack him - no trophies for 6 seasons and, more importanty, 19 points from the last 19 premiership games (with little chance of making the top four). That's fully half a season with relegation form points earned - if that's not a reason to sack him I don't know what is! A lot of fans believe we are going to suddenly transform from relegation form for half a season to top 4 form again. Forget it. We are going to finish 5th or 6th for sure.

  2. harlow gooner

    Oct 16, 2011, 17:21 #14255

    I think this whole argument can be won and lost with a single question, and I would love to see a pole of all our readers on this - forget money, forget the board, forget other teams spending, forget the stadium move and forget injuries. Could another manager, whoever that may be, get more success from the players we have had in the last, say 3 years? If the answer is YES which it would be from me, then wenger must go. Simple as that.

  3. Gman

    Oct 16, 2011, 12:58 #14254

    The only contender with any credibility for me would be Paul Lambert because of his success in the game both at home and in Europe. He contributed to Borussia Dortmund’s success in winning the 1997 UEFA Champions League: in the 1997 Final against Juventus he played successfully in midfield to quell the influence of Juve's French playmaker Zinedine Zidane as Dortmund won 3–1. Lambert also set up Karl-Heinz Riedle's opening goal. He became the first British player to win the European Cup with a non-UK team, and the first British player to win the Champions League since its inception. At Celtic he won four Scottish Premier League titles, two Scottish Cups, two Scottish League Cups and was captain of the side that reached the 2003 UEFA Cup Final in Seville. Just look at how Norwich City are playing now without spending much money, not too much different from Wenger's philosophy with the excetion that Lambert doesn't feed the fans with bull**** or platitudes.

  4. clockendpaul

    Oct 15, 2011, 11:13 #14243

    Spot on mark but you forgot reason 5, the lies, spin and bull****.

  5. Matty S

    Oct 15, 2011, 10:50 #14242

    Unai Emery... why not?

  6. HowardL

    Oct 14, 2011, 19:38 #14236

    I can add only one thing to this comprehensive debate. At the start of this season Arsenal were 750-1 with Paddy Power to be relegated. Today they are just 66-1. Have you ever seen a poor bookmaker?

  7. Dorset Gonner

    Oct 14, 2011, 15:54 #14226

    Agree with some of your points, but to be honest I blame the board more than Wenger. It's easy for PHW to come out every year saying we have all this cash for Wenger to spend.... but was the cash actully there! I don't think is was, and I think Wenger was put into a position where the board are telling us there is cash available and implying that Wenger was not spending it! Wenger's not going to turn around the to fans saying actually the board are full of Sh*t and I only have 10m to spend. So the board are essentially stitching Wenger up with the fans. Where I do blame Wenger is for this summers transfer window sham, we lost out on players because Wenger wanted to be 200% sure before signing... so we lost out on Mata and others. This really kills me but you can't help admire the way in which MAN U got all their business done early in the window meaning that all the new players played in all the pre-session games and were fully integrated for the start of the Prem

  8. JJB

    Oct 14, 2011, 15:34 #14225

    Another typically poor thought out article from this site. If you want to compile a dossier on why Wenger should go then you should try having a bit of knowledge about football and Arsenal. Typical pub fan thinking and I dont think anyone is taking you seriously with this predictable piece of trite

  9. Alan

    Oct 14, 2011, 14:51 #14223

    What a pathetic article, repeat, repeat, repeat. Obviously you must be the man for the job!! Arsene to stay for many years to come, success will follow, without a shadow of doubt.

  10. GoonerGoal!

    Oct 14, 2011, 14:33 #14222

    Lets examine Mandy’s four reasons why Wenger should stay. Overseeing a stadium move five years ago? Sorry, he wasn’t the first manager to have to cope with that, and even with his personal input on stadium design, that is no reason for him to hold on to his position in the face of five trophy-less years, culminating in an almost laughable Wembley defeat to a side on the way to relegation, and followed by 20 lacklustre performances which now see us battling to stave off the spectre of relegation. Competing with sugar daddies and dopers? Sugar daddies I get, but dopers? Well, she is correct, we did win solitary matches against United. City and Chelsea last season. But, she conveniently forgot to mention Wenger also oversaw losses to WBA, Newcastle, Spurs and Villa, plus draws with Blackburn and Sunderland at home during 2010/11. Not too many sugar daddy big clubs evident in that list. As for turning “bargain buys” into world superstars, yes he has managed to do that on occasions over the past 15 years, but that would be to totally ignore the far greater number of his “bargain buys” who looked and played like “bargain buys” from the very beginning to the end of their careers at Arsenal. In just one position, I give you Cygan, Stephanovs, Silvestre and Squillaci, and don’t even get me started on goalkeepers! So four reasons why Wenger should stay, or four more reasons why he should go? You decide…

  11. Graham Simons, Gooner, Norf London

    Oct 14, 2011, 13:55 #14221

    I think people are cherry picking certain points from this article and using them as a stick to beat the writer with. I don't buy that Wenger has simply refused to spend money. He certainly has very different methods in spending money - going for potential that he can mould rather than experienced hires but he does spend money when he feels it appropriate - Walcott and Chamberlain didn't come cheap. The problem we have and the reason I agree with the general gist of this article is that when things are going wrong, and let's not forget we are 15th, you have to stem the flow of goals conceded. Building on a good defence will get you the odd 0-0 in certain places you wouldn't expect to get anything and from that you can add home wins and build your tally. Our problem is I don't think Wenger does know how to build a proper defence. When we have had good defenders, it's almost as if Wenger's wanted them to coach themselves. Sol was a master of talking defences through games, and would Cole have been the player he has turned out to be had it not been for our legendary back four. Relying on the players to teach themselves is fine but once that knowledge has left the squad, it's gone forever. If the manager knows how to coach a defence properly then all his defences will have the ability to defend properly, regardless of the personnel. Stoke have a very different back four to the one that first entered the Premiership but in Pulis they have a manager that will ensure they won't concede the silly goals we have and no I'm not advocating Pulis for manager, I am simply pointing out the flaws in our own. We seem to have a defence that doesn't know how to defend and that isn't the fault of the players - it's the fault of the manager.

  12. Mick Appleton

    Oct 14, 2011, 13:19 #14220

    Goon 73, you just enthasised my point, we might not go forward with Arsene but the club will go forward & the Manure result will be forgotten.

  13. Gee

    Oct 14, 2011, 13:06 #14219

    Nothing will change until Wenger leaves. Sloppy defending, lapses in concentration, no idea what to do when out of pessession, small weak players, no vocal characters, no leadership, no one allowed an opinion, sideways slow football, no shooting, no trophies, loads and loads of cash.

  14. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 14, 2011, 12:57 #14218

    martin o neill ? as we say in N ireland when somebody is talking rubbish, catch your self on.I also like a drink please tell me what your on.

  15. Andrew Cohen

    Oct 14, 2011, 12:54 #14217

    @chrisy boy Those fans aren't at the games any more because when they started to go the entry price was less than one percent of their monthly earnings (£1.50 / £300 ?). Now it is probably 3% and 5% of their YEARLY earnings. That isn't sustainable and what makes the current state of affairs so much harder to take is the widening gap in monetary status of those who run and play for the club, and most of those who support it. Most of them are simply wasting our money and wasting our time.

  16. Bob

    Oct 14, 2011, 12:41 #14216

    It's time to go. Wenger is 'someone who was' (the title of the autobiography of that marvellous cricket commentator Brian Johnston). To say he was the greatest Arsenal manager ever is probably pushing it - Herbert Chapman took us from nothing to arguably the most famous club side in the world in the 1930s. But Arsene's contribution to our recent history is considerable, and deserves great credit. Now, though, his time has gone, the game has changed around him (not for the better, but it has changed nonetheless). Arsenal must adapt, from the boardroom down, and we simply can't do it while this man and his methods remain.

  17. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Oct 14, 2011, 12:31 #14215

    KJ & Tim - it's people like you two that are destroying ur club. KJ you seriously are a complete and utter bell end. Arsenal was formed in 1886 not 1996 although I would imagine you probaly came on board around the 2001 time? Get your self a histroy book and have a read about the 30's when we dominated English football for a decade. 19971 might be in there as well (that's when we won the double). We once had a manager called George Graham and guess what he managed to win a couple of trophies as well with memorable nights in Copenhagen and Anfield. We are a proud club with a great, and vast, history and set of traditions. All you Jonny come Lately's who have jumped on board since the move to the souless bowl need to go back to the theatre. Tim, you like so many other AKB's need to grow up with this tiresome "if you don't worship wenger then go and support spurs, or chavs or city". Honestly how pathetic.

  18. mark from aylesbury

    Oct 14, 2011, 12:16 #14214

    What gets me is why is it the sole ambition to finish top 4. We get more gate receipt money than most teams. Abramovitch is increasingly isolating his spending to one off splurges. Man city can spend what they like but are they a team? Reasonable spending on premiership proven defenders and a centre forward could really could have had us taking on united. I find the lack of ambition frigging bizarre. The only voice connected to Arsenal who seems to want it is Usmanov. Kronke and the current regime are doing a very bad job of convincing us that they have the ambition or the means to achieve success of any sort

  19. Tom

    Oct 14, 2011, 11:41 #14213

    One person can replace Wenger and one person only - Pep Guardiola. He will be leaving Barcelona in the next year or two and he is a perfect match. He's a young, amazing coach who will get the most out of the players we have.. he's the natural successor

  20. Harold

    Oct 14, 2011, 9:58 #14212

    5 reasons why wenger should go: 2006-07 2007-08 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11

  21. Ron

    Oct 14, 2011, 9:24 #14211

    Enjoy the struggle. Its Wengers first in 15. Hes worthy of being allowed to try and turn it around for that reason alone. He has his faults, they all do but we just dont know enough about the dynamic of his relationship and terms of working with and under this Boardroom to realy be sure what is best for the Club. Those of us whove been around for years arent panicking about being 15th ..... yet.

  22. Joe S.

    Oct 14, 2011, 9:12 #14210

    Can't believe the amount of flack the writer of this piece has recieved so far. What is this blind stupidity in support of the W. in aid of anyway. There is no silver lining in this cloud . It's all there in the board, the management, the present squad and the rubbish football that has been played this year. No wonder Joe Fitzgerald has been silent. With fellow supporters like these - what's the point.

  23. Glad Gunner

    Oct 14, 2011, 8:57 #14209

    Sami had 1 year on his contract and we got 23M and you want more astute! "Another manager might be slightly more astute in the transfer market?". Harry Redknapp anyone? You want to change the training methods but don't actually know what they do! I had to check if it was April 1st! LOL!

  24. ed enough

    Oct 14, 2011, 6:11 #14208

    Martin O'neil??? Have a day off mate.....Gus Hiddink??? if Chavski could'nt keep him, what chance us? Dreadful blithering rubbish again!!!!

  25. chrisy boy

    Oct 14, 2011, 5:06 #14207

    if wenger had joined Arsenal football club at the start of 2011 would he still be in charge now ? No i think not, back when he did join in 1996 Arsenal had a larger amount of what i call hard core fans. You would go to every pub close to highbury and see nearly the same group of fans most games both in and outside those pubs ( i for one do miss those days ). For a number of reasons a lot of those fans dont turn up anymore or maybe only a few times a season, my point being is and im not having a go at any new fans is that if wenger had the start to his Arsenal career like he has had since the turn of the year the abuse and anger coming from the terraces would have made the board act. So if you want any action against wenger we need to make our voices heard. I for one would not sack wenger and keep the current board if one goes then both have to go along with several players and the current medicle team. Pep guardiola i do think may be available sooner or later if we can wait that long, or louis van gaal who i know got the sack from bayern but look how strong they are this season with players van gaal has brought on over the past few years ( get a few quid on bayern as an each way bet for the champions league i did at 20/1 ). I expect us to beat sunderland, stoke and bolton at home over the next 2 weeks and to get a draw in france next week, followed by a defeat to chelsea i just dont know if those sets of results are enough to save wenger anymore.

  26. Mandy Dodd

    Oct 14, 2011, 0:30 #14206

    Four reasons why wenger should stay Has seen us through the stadium issue Competing with sugar daddies and dopers, beat them all last year Turns bargain buys into world superstars Trophies and top 4 over the years all on a shoestring Who else could do that in his circumstances?

  27. Andrew Cohen

    Oct 13, 2011, 23:04 #14205

    We may not be privy to the boardroom, or the true extent of the budget or to Arsene training methods, but we do know what 15th position in the league means. We know what a porous, clueless defence means. We know what the good players going and the poor players staying means. The war of words (inside the boardroom and outside it) is an important one because every day that our manager stays in his job makes recovery harder and longer to achieve.

  28. nugs

    Oct 13, 2011, 21:33 #14204

    @gazza unfortunately theres plenty of plums like kj following our club these days, he prob thinks herbert chapman is best known for being a boozer on the holloway rd!

  29. Shayan

    Oct 13, 2011, 20:32 #14203

    We lost 6-1 against ManU in 2000-01 season.according to your first reason,he should have been sacked,but he had remained and won the double next season!Other reasons,without comment!

  30. JM - LONDON

    Oct 13, 2011, 20:28 #14202

    Arsene Wenger, total respect. But I have to agree with all of your 4 points, although I'm still convinced he would spend if it was actually really available (you cant tell me he would have turned down Wesley Schneider to replace Cesc if the £50k budget had been put in place to secure his services?). And your dead right about the 8-2, an absolute disgrace, but one that was just waiting to happen. 'I'll put it right' are just very shallow words, in due course we will will no doubt beat Utd in some competition other by a 1-0 or a 2-1 but not until we turn them over say 10-0 will justice and 'putting it right' ever actually be done - and I'm not holding my breath.

  31. Goon73

    Oct 13, 2011, 20:22 #14201

    Mick Appleton: We lost 2-6 in the League Cup to Manure in 1990/91. The reason it was forgiven & forgotten so quickly was because we duffed the mighty Scousers 3-0 four days later, live on ITV and went on to win the league with ease, including a 3-1 win over Manure to clinch the title. Unfortunately these things won't this year! What has happened to this glorious club?!

  32. BRING BACK DEIN

    Oct 13, 2011, 20:00 #14198

    BRING BACK DEIN BRING BACK DEIN BRING BACK DEIN BRING BACK DEIN BRING BACK DEIN

  33. gazza

    Oct 13, 2011, 19:49 #14197

    at KJ wenger made this club !!! what did we do it the previous 110 years TWAT

  34. Ronster

    Oct 13, 2011, 19:40 #14196

    Were Bertie Mee,club phsyio and George Graham,cutting his teeth at Millwall obvious candidates for the position of manager of Arsenal Football Club? Their subsequent achievements certainly merit a bust alongside the premature one of Wenger.Martin O'Neill has a hugely impressive record both as a player and manager and has earnt the right to have a shot at a top four club.To those coming on here making cheap comments about some of O'Neill's purchases,look at the French dross Wenger has imported in abundance since 2006.

  35. C4

    Oct 13, 2011, 19:39 #14195

    Written by an idiot with an emotional age of about 12, max.

  36. kedar patel

    Oct 13, 2011, 19:04 #14194

    just stop talking expelling arsene..i consider it bogus in any form.

  37. Ken

    Oct 13, 2011, 19:00 #14193

    As much as he played a role in our demise, he's not at fault for everything. 1. We lost 8-2 mainly because we had several players out. We'd never lost 8-2 to United because we had never faced them with such a depleted squad. Replacing Arsene before the season end will do more damage than good. I'd rather have Pat Rice as interim if he decides to leave now. The players are used to his style and very few bosses play the Arsenal way. It's going to be hard for players to adapt into a new system.

  38. nugs

    Oct 13, 2011, 18:40 #14192

    @divingrooney haha yeah hilarious:| so you are obviously a master on training and tatics so can u enlighten us on why we suffer so many injuries, why we play the same tatic regardless of opposition and personel and maybe you can give us your view on wengers questionable decisions in the transfer market and regarding players contracts. yes the board need to be questioned more than wenger but he buys the players picks the team, chooses the tatics or should i say tatic, and trains the players, but hey he helped move us to souless corprate bowl just so the board make more money and pay his 6 mil a year salary and he was successful in his first 6 years!

  39. Goonerpearty

    Oct 13, 2011, 18:24 #14191

    Round of applause for that post mate.Just the first reason is good enough for me to get rid of the deluded old fool. COME ON YOU REDS.

  40. Danny

    Oct 13, 2011, 18:10 #14190

    E3xcellent article except you spolit it by mentioning Martin O'Neil. Personally do not want him Unfortuately we still have too many AKB around, and think the sun shines out of Wenger's Ass. The sooner he goes teh better, as i do not belive he is pro-active in refreshing his ideas and his team We just have to wait and suffer, until he leaves P.S. if anyone has shares, please sell them to teh Russian and get him on the board fast. Its the only way things will move

  41. Chris

    Oct 13, 2011, 17:29 #14189

    "it was to the tune of £12 million on a teenager from League Two in the mould of most of the attacking midfielders we already have" - Are you referring to The Ox? Since when was Southampton in League 2? And anyone can see that was a sensible buy. Your article is littered with factual inaccuracy and poor arguments / judegments. Your O'Neil suggestion confirms that you are not the brightest when it comes to football. Anyone who listens to you needs their head testing!

  42. KJ

    Oct 13, 2011, 17:03 #14188

    Rubbish. The club will collapse without AW. He made this club. It's the owners, Hill wood, Kroenke, they're stopping all the transfers! It's better spending on a good foreign player than an overpriced English player anyway.

  43. Taskov

    Oct 13, 2011, 16:53 #14186

    I agree with you that its time for Wenger to leave the club. If he delays his exit, he wil only be doing the club more harm than good cuz he has lost touch with reality and obviously has nothing to offer the club. *** GO WENGER GO****

  44. Jessica

    Oct 13, 2011, 16:52 #14185

    Yep, I agree. The thing is I feel that the arsenal board are happy with a manager who saves them money, so wenger fits the bill. By replacing key players with cheaper, lesser quality players we have not been competitive since the invincibles against the likes of man utd who continues to strengthen to remain competitive. As a result arsenal are now not a threat to anyteam much less to win the title.

  45. allybear

    Oct 13, 2011, 16:48 #14184

    I see today that Wenger is happy with his spending on the new signings!He feels they will be very important come March or April and that they will add experience! He now believes that we have the squad to challenge for honours and that it could happen! This is what this man honestly thinks, worrying times for the club!

  46. Mick Appleton

    Oct 13, 2011, 16:25 #14183

    I want to start by saying I think Arsene's time is probably over but I have to take issue with some of the points you have made. In 1991-92 we lost 6-2 at home to Man U with a full team out and George Graham as manager & then as now people said that we'd never live it down blah blah blah but within 6 months people didn't mention it again. No one wants to concede 8 goals but I expected 5 or 6 before kick off when I saw the team we were putting out so 8 wasn't that much of a stretch. I'm never embarrassed to be an Arsenal fan, especially not based on one result. No one asked for GG to be fired & he went on to win 3 more trophies in the next few seasons (not that I think Arsene has that in him anymore). This summer we tried to sign Phil Jones & Juan Mata who both went for close to 20m but lost out due to wages & the ambitions of the 2 respective clubs. We can compete on transfer fees but our wage structure is holding us back & will never be abandoned under the current regime. Arsene woke up to it but far too late to put it right & we are now paying the price. Lastly Arsenal will always be a big enough club to attract the best managers, should we miss out on the CL this year & Arsene be fired in the summer, there would be a queue around the block of top quality managers keen to take over but Martin O'Neill would want to spend loads of money so would Mourinho and our board would never employ them based on that & that in a nutshell is why they will keep the status quo until Arsene's contract expires. As much as we need new coaches, a manager & players we need a new board board more with different ideas which include putting trophies in front of profits, which after all was the reason we move to the new ground in the first place.

  47. GoonerGoal!

    Oct 13, 2011, 15:53 #14182

    I do hope Mandy Dodd is reading this, because right now there are many more than just a few excellent managers available to replace Wenger. Never mind Martin O’Neill, who for me would be a dreadful choice. Also currently available are Carlo Ancelotti, Guus Hiddink, Marcello Lippi, and Louis van Gaal. Plus, Ottmar Hitzfeld and Frank Rijkard are both currently working in the wasteland of international football, with Switzerland and Saudi Arabia respectively, and could possibly be open to a challenging offer. But I actually want Wenger to see out this season before moving on. Why? Because at the end of the current season, based on his previous statements and reports out of Spain, all the signs are that one Josep “Pep” Guardiola plans to make himself available for a new challenge in a less pressurised environment than Barcelona. Can you think of a more financially secure club with more potential and more talent available, where the Manager gets complete control of all team affairs, and up to five years before pressure for success is applied?

  48. gerald basy

    Oct 13, 2011, 15:38 #14181

    the guy must go for loosing hope of our legue tittle this season we need trophy funs we pay our money to get tittles not to loose every season he should step aside so that we get some thing at the end of this season

  49. Mandy Dodd

    Oct 13, 2011, 15:34 #14180

    Personally, I hope Usmanov does open up the books so things can be cleared up once and for all. Not surprisingly, a lot in there I do not agree with. I would be amazed if Wenger let Na$ris contract run down deliberatly, afterall, he was more than willing to lose this player for nothing next summer. I believe Nas had been tapped and the negotiations were nothing more than a diversion to his true plan, but of course I cannot prove that. Refusal to spend money - may have some validity at times, however it looks as though he made big bids for the likes of Hazard, Gotze and others this summer, but there clubs were not willing to sell. Mata - who really knows what went on there. It looks as though spending restrictions have recently been lifted, but again, we just do not know what restrictions he has been working under over the last few years. Defence, you have a point, I for one hope that is now being addressed. New managers, I am sure there are some out there who give it a good shot on the day Wenger departs, however we cannot afford Gus, Carlo was shamelessly touting for Wengers job recently, the board will despise him forever for that, and Martin O'Neill, just cannot see him as an Arsenal manager

  50. mark from aylesbury

    Oct 13, 2011, 15:25 #14179

    I wouldnt go for O'neil myself but considering as soon as his name is mentioned a slating takes place. Would he have done worse than Arsene over the past two seasons with the current team? There have been grave weaknesses within the team that have not been addressed. I do wonder if a different manager would have got better results. Either way teams have got our number and we appear unable to grind results

  51. Wengerisalegend

    Oct 13, 2011, 15:23 #14178

    Totally disagree. Wenger has done wonders for Arsenal for the last 15 years. This is a period of unanticipated changes, so it is natural that Arsenal is struggling momentarily. Give the team time to find its feet

  52. Noop

    Oct 13, 2011, 15:06 #14177

    Like OGL himself.

  53. Tim Ncele

    Oct 13, 2011, 15:04 #14176

    This is all a load of rubbish. Clearly the author has taken a liking to Tottenham and is trying to gain favour with their fans. Wenger is going nowhere and he will steer the ship back to success. Haters like you will eat hunmle pie.

  54. leo zis

    Oct 13, 2011, 14:55 #14174

    Pretty much agree with certain parts of the article but also feel it is too far reaching in some conclusions without proper defense/support. For instance, yes that was an unforgivable defeat to Manure and Wenger/the lads must work their soaks off if they are ever to be forgiven. However, while admitting my doubts in Wenger now, i am not so impressed by names of Managers who might not thrive under the so called "self-sustaining model" of Arsenal...because dear friends, that "Model" will be with us for a long time. Any new manager after Wenger must have ability to thrive under it and now...(say) Martin O Neil...he might not last either...sigh!

  55. RIP Arsenal FC

    Oct 13, 2011, 14:50 #14173

    i am the point where i dont care how we do it but we have to get wenger out and we have to change the make up of the board.

  56. GDH

    Oct 13, 2011, 14:50 #14172

    Bongo - We lost 8-2! thats 8 goals conceded, that would be embarassing for Sunderland let alone us! Its Wengers Lies and our players constant apologies that get me. How many times are we going to hear "We will bounce back next week" or "that defeat has given us the determination to kick on" Sort it out AW!

  57. Gee

    Oct 13, 2011, 14:38 #14171

    Wenger is the greatest manager we have ever had. But to turn this statement on it's head if he doesn't win another trophy between now and the end of his contract in 2014, we'd have gone 9 years without silverware. 9 YEARS!!! I think his historical successes will actually be replaced by his latter leaner years in terms of peoples memories of him when he does go. A career of two halves is most definitely how I will remember him. First 9 years were incredible, but the last 6 and possibly 9 would be season after season of missed opportunities and poor management

  58. A Real Gooner

    Oct 13, 2011, 14:38 #14170

    You are talking rubbish I'm afraid. Your first point is ridiculous - sacking Wenger because we got battered by the Champions when most of our players were out injured? Don't be stupid, it was ONE GAME. You know nothing of the training methods and finances (and long term planning), so don't try and use any of that to make your point. None of the replacement managers you have mentioned are capable of coping with Arsenal's current (and future) budget. Arsene has kept us in the top four for years, and it's only now that other clubs are spending silly money, getting themselves in massive debt, that we are starting to slip. It's still early in the season, we won't win the title but we'll be ok, whoever does win it will have BOUGHT it - probably causing some long term damage to their business. Hopefully. We'll be fine with Wenger. Your reactionary bull**** just doesn't add up.

  59. Soforeal

    Oct 13, 2011, 14:22 #14169

    This is a very shallow article. O'neal? Anchelotti? I have no idea who the writer is but having one game as your first point is childish. You probably would not have become an arsenal fan if it was not for wenger. Follow everything and you will realize that wenger is not the problem. Kroenke and the board are the problem.

  60. will

    Oct 13, 2011, 14:15 #14168

    Can't take that post seriously. O'Neil,Ancelloti, talented unknown you must be joking ! We're not going to win the league this year and neither is wenger going to be sacked so let's wait and see whether he can get us back on track. Too many of these posts seem to be from Gooners who have been too used to success and don't remember the darker days before Wenger came.they need to show some backbone.

  61. legolas

    Oct 13, 2011, 14:06 #14167

    bring back david dein and see the good results how it comes.

  62. Easterngooner

    Oct 13, 2011, 14:06 #14166

    And I suppose in your manifest wisdom, you have thought up how to deal with the Man Citys and the Anzhis of the football world. And you have worked out how we are going to pay 200,000 per week to our players. And i suppose like magic, appointing Carlos Ancelotti or Guus Hiddinck will make all these problems disappear.

  63. T1

    Oct 13, 2011, 13:41 #14165

    This article is from a fan who doesnt really know what is happening. You think Wenger has money but he doesnt want to buy great players, please..... Thats exactly what the board wants you to believe, then as the season moves and we start winning then fans will be fine. Wenger is doing exactly what the boards wants him to do, "TO QUALIFY FOR CHAMPIONS LEAGUE EVERY SEASON". Its business, not Wenger. Even if you give Furgeson the current team he will not do anything

  64. nazreen

    Oct 13, 2011, 13:40 #14164

    firstly, you suck. Ancelotti? lol. He's only good with most of the old players. Look at Milan and Chelsea for example. Second, do you think that a new manager can repair the damages that have been haunting Arsenal all this time? Lol. The probability of the damages getting worse is higher than the probability of the club getting better. I must admit, I do get frustrated and disappointed at Wenger. But, only Wenger knows Arsenal inside out. Last season, we were challenging for all four cups but then, injuries struck. And please don't blame Wenger. Blame the players for not performing well enough. It's not like Wenger is either the striker or the goalkeeper. Blame the midfielders for not supporting the defenders. Blame the board for not giving Wenger enough money to spend. Sometimes, modern fans are so naive. And for your information, Real Madrid is waiting for Wenger. So, that proves how good he is. And not to forget, Arsenal is the only english team that managed to defeat Barca. Think about it. In Arsene I trust.

  65. utuumee@gmail'com

    Oct 13, 2011, 13:40 #14163

    I completely agree with your article.The manager has left his good days behind, he should go ...

  66. Unbelievable Belief

    Oct 13, 2011, 13:29 #14162

    I would add a fifth dimension - a total lack of tactical nous. Too many times we have lined up against Drogba, Rooney etc as if we have never heard of them, with predictably catastrophic results. This season has been the culmination of several warnings from years gone by, but I think even the most die-hard fan must now surely be having some doubts over the direction the club is taking.

  67. Wolfgang

    Oct 13, 2011, 13:27 #14161

    Wenger has a short time to turn things round. tactically he has lost his way. Most if not all teams how the gunners play.Yet Wenger doesn't want toc hange his tactics. If he is fired,he shoul not blame anybody but himself .

  68. jack

    Oct 13, 2011, 13:23 #14160

    Your article is full of contradictions!!

  69. divingrooney

    Oct 13, 2011, 13:18 #14158

    1. You dont know anything about our finances 2. You dont know anything about our training methods 3. You dont know anything of what separates great managers from good managers. In short, you know nothing. In the vast infinite universe, you are smaller than a peck of dust. And yet you have the courage to write about an institution of football, and its greatest manager ever. Maybe you can put your insignificant existence to some better use, and don't put pressure on infinitely small brain, it might burst...

  70. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Oct 13, 2011, 13:15 #14157

    Mate there is no one on the planet even remotley capable of taking over form Wenger. Fot a start look at all the European Cups Wenger has amassed in his twenty odd attempts with not just Arsenal but Monaco too. Then there's the paltry wage bill the manager will be expected to work with, even the manager himself has to survive on peanuts nevermind pay the mortgage. The board always interfere and never let the manager make decisions like leaving £50M in the bank or picking his own coaching staff. And besides we are a club on the up with a young team. The problem is all the others keep being nasty and spending money and kicking us and the officials don't understand that we are special and should have better protection. Look at what we have achieved since moving to the Emirates. We are now a serious player involved in all the big transfers. In fact I think we supporters are getting away lightly and I hope that they put the prices up again next year becuase what Wenger is delivering no one else could possibly do. And if anyone doesn't agree with me then they don't support Arsenal and should go and support the Chavs or City!!!

  71. g clarke

    Oct 13, 2011, 13:13 #14156

    8-2 was 3 points arab russian money tipped in for wages with no thought of getting it back cant be beat you know nothing about arsenal training new manager would set team back years

  72. northernbof

    Oct 13, 2011, 13:11 #14155

    But most of all he has brought humiliation on us and reduced our great club to a joke.

  73. colesy

    Oct 13, 2011, 13:08 #14154

    agree totally with this post, well written and points made in a thought out manner (no child like name calling- but sure enough to attract such puerile comments from the AKB brigade!) In Arsene We Rust!!

  74. Bongo

    Oct 13, 2011, 13:07 #14153

    How can you criticise the manager for the Old trafford debacle when three days before he won our biggest game of the season- Udinese away. Worth: up to 100 million if we win the Champions League this year but fail to gain 5th. Played in: a tad under 100 degrees. As for your comment that Martin O Neill could be manager of our groundbreaking club YOU LOSE TOTAL CREDIBILITY! Sometimes modern fans just exasperate. HAhHA

  75. mark from aylesbury

    Oct 13, 2011, 13:06 #14152

    I think Usmanov needs to get that 30% of the shares. No doubt he will then start shouting and screaming about the accounts. Perhaps then we might shed some light on this perplexing built to fail strategy that Arsene and the board have been following. Interesting times ahead i feel

  76. Nave

    Oct 13, 2011, 12:57 #14150

    Wont comment on top three reasons as it will take too much space :) as for last reason. Yes there are good managers around, but you are missing one major point here. Any new manager coming in would ask for money, loads of it to get the team sorted. I bet you are not saying the team is so good that it doesnt need any new additions. You really think PETER HILLWOOD would be happy to release money required by new manager ? The problem is not the manager, its the BOARD and specifically Hillwood.

  77. aj

    Oct 13, 2011, 12:49 #14149

    The lunatics have taken over the asylum!! Martin O'Neill ??? Really? We would be the envy of the world - NOT!

  78. Terry

    Oct 13, 2011, 12:43 #14148

    Great article Mark. I just wish someone with some clout at the club would be reading it. Mind you who that would be I have no idea as the board are just as bad as Wenger is. I agree with your every word and have been praying for a change of manager for the last few years. The situation is worsening every year Wenger remains in charge and all the reasons you give why he should go are bang on.

  79. Adam

    Oct 13, 2011, 12:41 #14147

    Silly article. Selective nonsense all rounded up with the name of Martin O'Neill. Please. Why waste your time?

  80. keeming

    Oct 13, 2011, 12:37 #14146

    Martin O Neil? What have you been drinking?? The manager who only knows how to spend on overpriced englishmen? Fabian Delph 6m anyone? Warnock for 7m? And other rubbish englishmen that slipped my mind at the moment. gimme some of what you are on. (btw, im in the Arsene-should-go-or-we-kick-him-out camp. I just cant stand the suggestion of O neil. You might as well suggest Big Sam)

  81. John

    Oct 13, 2011, 12:34 #14145

    Satire?

  82. Gooner30

    Oct 13, 2011, 12:33 #14144

    Couldn't agree more. Arsene thanks for the memories but it's time to go. We need some British Spirit in there rather than 2nd or 3rd Division French Players!!! Arsene was good years ago but since 2004 we have been a team in decline and changes need to be made