After the Lord Mayor’s Show

Online Ed: Back to earth with a bump v Marseille



After the Lord Mayor’s Show

Park: More time needed


‘It was a bit flat tonight,’ said one acquaintance. And I guess a goal-less home draw after an eight goal thriller only three days earlier is bound to feel that way. However, there seemed to be plenty of chances created, so I am not convinced the game was as dull as it felt to some, although I will admit that it struggled to ever really take off. Perhaps a goal for either side would have created that spark.

There was a feeling Wenger might select Park instead of the form horse Van Persie and so it proved. The Korean tried manfully, but the understanding his team-mates have with the normal front man seemed absent. Given how little game time Park has enjoyed, no-one can really say they are surprised. Wenger has a quandary because he has to keep Park fresh in case Van Persie befalls injury. Chamakh’s form has made Park the most likely replacement in that instance. However, in fairness, he is a long way from being the player the current Arsenal captain is. The ideal solution would have simply been to buy a better forward in the transfer market, and many believe Van Persie could serve the team even better in the Bergkamp role. Imagine if Arsenal had bought Benzema from Real Madrid. However, that would require a change in formation and the spending of some money, neither of which look likely in the immediate future. So let’s just hope the Dutchman stays fit.

When he did enter the fray, the team momentarily seemed to perk up, although the effect was not long lasting. The match kind of petered out, both sides able to live with a point each. It was interesting to see Koscielny relegated to the bench. One suspects, as with Van Persie, this was a case of the manager resting the player. I do expect to see some rotation amongst the centre backs. Defensively, a clean sheet looks good on paper, but Marseille will consider themselves unfortunate not to score at least once. Arsenal, for their part, have allowed an element of reluctance to shoot to return to their game, Ramsey the most guilty party. Van Persie’s attempt to chip the keeper was the best chance the home side enjoyed, but for once, glory was denied. If he had been on the pitch from the start, one suspects he would have had a couple more decent chances and probably scored at least once.

In a sense, after the dramas of the Bridge, this was always likely to be a bit of a damp squib. But the bigger picture is that Arsenal will progress from the group stage if they win their last home game v Dortmund. I’d expect the best players to start that game, given the unpredictability of the trip to Greece that concludes the group matches.

Credit to Marseille for upping their performance considerably from that we witnessed in the Velodrome. Last night, they showed that they are a much better team than that, and I would not be shocked if they did win the group. Obviously Arsenal would prefer to top the pile, but at the moment, their priority has to be re-establishing consistency in the Premier League, which is why last night’s selection was not the strongest.

Not a 90 minutes that will live long in the memory, but we’ve seen many a Champions League group game about which you could say that. It’s funny, given the amount of hype that surrounds the competition, how many relatively unentertaining matches there are in the group stage. In it’s purest form the European Cup was the straight knockout competition from start to finish in which every game mattered. That idea these days comes in after the turn of the year. But the group stages are a necessary evil for TV and the attendant advertising. Some call it progress…

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  1. Fozzy's mate

    Nov 05, 2011, 8:46 #14809

    Firstly good to see my old sparring partner Joe Fitzpatrick back on the scene- where have you been mate? Secondly I think we are the team most capable of beating Citeh. It might end up 7-6 or 9-8 but our brand of kamikaze all out attack may get em on the back foot. Either that or we will be 11-0 down at half time. Are we officially their feeder club yet?

  2. Ed from LA

    Nov 04, 2011, 2:43 #14781

    Great commentary, Kevin. Interesting they didn't field their best for Marsielle, but are holding back for EPL games. Let's hope they move up a few positions before New Year's. Cheers...

  3. PassCloud.

    Nov 04, 2011, 1:13 #14780

    Do not know why these english fans and writers are bitching so much against Chamakh. Chamakh's form is fine and he is a solid striker. The fact he is not scoring is due to him sitting in the bench behind an in form RVP. I have never seen so much hate and insults dished against a player. The only explanation I can think of has to do with the name.

  4. Mike

    Nov 03, 2011, 16:28 #14778

    Jeckyl -if that was the case, RVP would only be scoring half the goals and people on this site would be saying how rubbish he is

  5. simon

    Nov 02, 2011, 21:48 #14766

    i think the worry is how thin our squad is of reliable quality in the attacking third. If RVP's out its awful, if ramsey's out we lack thrust, we rely on the inconsistent gervinho and walcott as arshavin's too lightweight and the Ox seemingly untrustworthy. If we didn't waste every corner and free kick it wouldn't be so bad as any normal team gets about a third of goals from set plays while we get one or two a season. I can't believe arsene won't spend on a goal scorer in january. As for Park, sorry but a 26 year old who represents his country surely should know which direction to run and how to control the ball. He was wretched imo in all his games and was fed 5 or 6 excellent chances by arshavin before finally taking one in his one "good game". Marsaille were excellent defensively though and our group remains a very tight one with nearly all games settled by just the odd goal. Dortmund have to win when they come and played us off the park so it ain't over yet friends...I just can't believe we pay this squad £120m a year in wages..its so lightweight its untrue.

  6. Mandy Dodd

    Nov 02, 2011, 19:45 #14765

    Joe, we reputedly put 4-5 million on Nasris fee so as not to have them investigated for tapping. As for Barca, they are above the law. We did take a couple of their finest kids for good measure though

  7. Peter Wain

    Nov 02, 2011, 17:51 #14761

    Another awful performance. The first 10 minutes was like Saturday the defence all at sea. The most worrying aspect is that all of the players bought on the last day of the transfer window are manifestly not good enough. Never has so much money been wated in single day by one man. At repsent we are surving and getting results becuase our opponents miss the chances we create. This cannot go on and when it stops e will be in great trouble. How a big club like Arsenal could leave itself with only one decent striker is beyong me. Yhere must have been better strirkers around than Park. We need to buy big in Janaury or else get rif of the board and get some one in who will invest in the first team.

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 02, 2011, 17:15 #14760

    good piece kevin.Its very refreshing that the editor comes out with his blog just a couple of hours after the match unlike other's who wait days sometimes a week, who tell you its because they want to calm down and get a better perspective of what happened then conveniently leaving things out to keep people happy.

  9. CanadaGooner

    Nov 02, 2011, 17:15 #14759

    @GoonerGoal - very inspiring. And if Arsenal win, you'll say Man City simply wanted to give us a break. Why dont you show some honesty and tell us the club you truly support?

  10. GoonerGoal!

    Nov 02, 2011, 17:05 #14758

    "I even have a sneaky feeling that we might beat CITEH in the Carling Cup"???? Odd that, given that both sides will play their different versions of a weakened team, I have a sneaky feeling that we could be on the receiving end of one of the currently fashionable Premier League scores of the 0-4 0-5 1-4 1-5 1-6 variety.

  11. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Nov 02, 2011, 16:41 #14757

    Conpiracy theory-"drawing City in the Carling was pre-ordained. it gives Viera some more time back at arsenal to have a few chats with RVP and whomever else he fancies to see where their head is at and be ready for January or next summer.equally the Boards can have dinner together and plot the next 3 or 4 transfers - Post No. 16363" Funny how Vieira was never charged with tapping up Nasri isn't it? How on earth did Barca not get charged over Cesc as well?

  12. Jekyll

    Nov 02, 2011, 16:34 #14756

    Mike, RVP isn't playing as an out and out striker now. He's just scoring a lot. He's like a support striker without the support, which makes his scoring record all the more amazing. So imagine if he did have an out and out striker alongside whom he could set up assists for as well as score himself. He's doing remarkably well given the hindrances of Wenger's formation.

  13. Gee

    Nov 02, 2011, 16:15 #14755

    Decent first half. Boring second half. Ramseys unusual hesitancy cost us a goal there. I really thought he was going to score that chance. Personally I can see us having to go to Olympiakos needing 3 points to quallify. Dortmund will be an even tougher task at home in 3 weeks and I wouldn't be surprised if they won that game. This is group is very much turning into the group of death. Funny how many predicted last night we'd be through this morning and needing 1 point from final 2 games to actually win the group. At this rate with some of the possible group winners (Apoel) it may be no bad thing to be runner up. It is down to luck of the draw even whem you win the group. For example we could win and draw AC milan

  14. Mike

    Nov 02, 2011, 14:37 #14753

    To all those people who keep suggesting that Van Persie should play a role as a support striker, I have come up with a better solution. Why not play him as an out and out striker and let him average a goal a game???? As for the comments about Santos - I think in the second half he was told to play left back because he seemed to stay there when compared to the first half. However all attacks from the left flank also stopped during the same period

  15. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Nov 02, 2011, 14:21 #14751

    I though it fair to wait before saying anything about the clutch of late signings until they'd had time to settle in and prove that they can display the level of application and conduct toward the club and their fellow colleagues that should be expected at The Arsenal. Seems that Mr. Dos Santos is a bit of a jack - the - lad (no reference to Wilshere intended) off the pitch. Reports are of him being often late to training, and not particularly interested in improving his fitness when he does decide to show. Reminds me of what Adams said about Limpar's input during his second season, the difference of course being that Limpar applied himself sufficiently in his first season to help the team deliver a title. Dos Santos hasn't earned anything yet, time will tell whether he does something about that. With a nod to the fact that neither Arteta nor Benayoun's medical testing and clearance seemed relevant on deadline day, it appears that whoever was responsible for assessing and providing Dos Santos' background check didn't do their homework properly.

  16. CanadaGooner

    Nov 02, 2011, 13:55 #14750

    Good article. Very factual report and analysis as opposed to a lot of weird comments and articles people post on here. I dont see how RVP can feature in every match in every competition this season, so provided our defenders step up to the plate and we secure a clean sheet on those days RVP's left on the bench, we should be ok. Beating Marsielle last night would have been a clever move and perhaps Wenger should have played him in that home game from the start, to win and he can rest him in our final 2 matches as I would have thought 10 points should be enough to top that group (which we MUST, to avoid last season's disaster). Let's see what he does at our next 2 MUST win premier league games (West Brom & Nowrich) - but again, if chamakch, Parks and the other second options wish to cover themselves in glory, those are games they should be looking to score in and give RVP a deserved rest (unfortunately, we know we wont have a choice but to play RVP in both, as Gervinho's finishing really needs fine-tuning)

  17. Matty S

    Nov 02, 2011, 13:35 #14749

    IF Ramsey had put in the sitter, or layed off the other to ark, we would've won, Wenger wuold've been vindicated, and we'd still be happy. Its not a bad result, and I think a reality check is good now and then.

  18. Conspiracy Theory

    Nov 02, 2011, 13:24 #14748

    drawing City in the Carling was pre-ordained. it gives Viera some more time back at arsenal to have a few chats with RVP and whomever else he fancies to see where their head is at and be ready for January or next summer.equally the Boards can have dinner together and plot the next 3 or 4 transfers

  19. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Nov 02, 2011, 13:15 #14747

    First half was OK after we weathered their early storm and carved out two great chances for Rambo who should have done better. The second chance when he stuttered and tried not to shoot made me laugh. I bet Wenger loved him for looking to pass instead of sliding it into an empty net. After half time we ran out of ideas big time which isn't the first time but is understandable when you only have Plan A. For me we lack real quality in key areas. I quite like Park actually and see him as a proper centre forward who wants to run in behind but he needs early service from our midfield. Song's passing forward is poor. Ramsey takes to long, so does Arteta when he actualy touches the ball. In fairness we did look like our legs went a bit but they put a lot in Saturday so you can understand that. Why on earth do people at the club let Santos play like that. He's cheating big time and not even bothering to defend. Wenger & TV should have given him a right mouthfull. Totally disrespecful and irresponsable to play like that just charging forward all the time but no one man enough to pull him about it. Think we'll just about get through but don't fancy having to do it in Greece where our record is poor. Crying out for a left back, centre forward and a quality CM to say the least.

  20. will

    Nov 02, 2011, 12:45 #14745

    Realistic post. Some good performances but as some of comments suggest we are worryingly reliance on RVP and with his injury record it is only a matter of time before he needs time off. Theo was back to his frustrating best and Gervino's first touch is desprately poor for this level. Depsite the good progress the team still looks lacking in real quality.

  21. RJ

    Nov 02, 2011, 12:43 #14744

    The first game in - well - years - that I didn't sit on the edge of my seat biting fingernails everytime the opposition entered our half. Well played the defence. Offence - a clear hangover from Saturday. Park needs time - and the team need to try and find him more. I would rather take the foot off for this game to give us a better chance of beating WBA on Saturday. Come on you Gunners

  22. Harold

    Nov 02, 2011, 12:41 #14743

    We've got our Arsenal back

  23. The Meek Greek

    Nov 02, 2011, 12:33 #14742

    We are desperate for a top class striker to compliment RvP in January. Any successful team needs 4 decent strikers - we have one and two unproven ones - thats just not good enough when trying to compete on all fronts. Nothing that a cool £20m wouldnt solve....

  24. dan

    Nov 02, 2011, 12:31 #14741

    You'd of thought we lost on saturday the way the team played,why doesn't this team gain confidence from gaining big wins,wenger has to go still.

  25. Bill

    Nov 02, 2011, 10:39 #14740

    No RVP no goal threat.Park did not to show he is nothing but a shirt seller to the Far East.The full backs were poor Jenkinson has an excuse he was a 2nd division player last year and is 19 Santos on the other hand is 28 and a Brazilian international.Santos just cannot not defend end of last night at Chelsea he got away with it.And can anyone explain why no one at the club hasnt put him on a diet.Our best player was Ramsey but Walcott was back to his old self.As usual Wenger rested players before the group was won.If RVP is going to be rested he should be rested completley not coming on trying to rescue us again.If RVP get his usual injury we really will struggle to finish top 6 as the back up is too poor to contemplate.New LB and back up stiker needed in january

  26. Merse69

    Nov 02, 2011, 9:53 #14738

    A match in which defences were on top. Not bad for a team that can't defend... and still favourites to top their group. The defence remains a work in progress, but if you add Sagna and Gibbs as first choice full backs, I think we're going to see a huge improvement compared to last season. Some of the group games can be a bit flat, but at least we're now spared the double group stage... If UEFA can get their financial fair play rules to bite, we might finally have the level playing field on which Wenger can be fairly judged. That would be progress!

  27. ed enough

    Nov 02, 2011, 9:45 #14737

    You seem surprised by last night's result and display....You don't honestly expect to win this type of game with your best player sat on the bench do you? The weekend's result has once again papered over the cracks. As good as beating chavski was, it just proved that without RVP, this current crop is ordinary in the extreme and when RVP picks up the enivitable injury playing for holland next week, we will see the results spiral downwards again...

  28. Andrew Cohen

    Nov 02, 2011, 9:25 #14736

    A bit dull and Marseille seemed to go through our defence worryingly easily towards the end. Vermalen cleaned up well. The upside of the result is that, as you suggest, the correct selection decisions will now be forced on Mr Wenger for the Dortmund game. I do love it when the iron grip of compulsion stops him making a prune out of himself.

  29. Chuks

    Nov 02, 2011, 9:16 #14735

    Good article. Last night's performance was largely workmanlike(not a term usually associated with typical Wenger teams I hasten to add)and in a perverse way it shows that we are getting round the idea that occasionally(not always) knuckling down and grinding out a result is a necessary evil. We are slowly on the up as a squad. The defence still needs to be bolstered and thank God for the return of the VERMINATOR who brings calmness to our backline. I EXPECT us to beat WBA and Norwich in the EPL and continue our steady rise up the table.I even have a sneaky feeling that we might beat CITEH in the Carling Cup(our cup final?)

  30. Ron

    Nov 02, 2011, 9:16 #14734

    In fairness, the result wasnt bad. I think the Club will be content to just get into the knock outs this time. Progress from there is perhaps unlikely leaving the major effort being focused on trying to get top 4. I honestly feel that top 4 is doable despite our start to the Season. We need it. New top signings wont bother with us otherwise next Summer i wouldnt think.

  31. John Evans

    Jun 26, 2011, 9:38 #9168

    Gooner Ron - Negative monopoly? I don't agree in anyway shape or form that my comments are negative, quite the opposite I feel. If someone has the balls to admit that things are not right and wants to try a more ambitious approach. How in any way is that a negative thing? Surely it is the people who want to keep burrying their heads in the sand and are happy to see the same old mistakes season in season out who are the true negative ones amongst the vast ranks of gooners we see on this site?

  32. dando

    Jun 26, 2011, 9:22 #9167

    lets hope we don't continue our last 12 games (relegation) form into the new season otherwise the games against QPR, Wolves, Stoke City and WBA could all be 6 pointers for the wrong reason.

  33. GoonerRon

    Jun 25, 2011, 23:13 #9164

    Thanks Simon for the article that at least breaks John Evans' negative monopoly on this site's postings. I'm glad there are other Gooners out there who have a glass that is still half full.

  34. Stuart

    Jun 25, 2011, 10:46 #9157

    Simon post 10031 you say if we screw up this summer is the time to react.How?It will be too late then.I agree with the other posts.You are just burying your head in the sand.We bought ****e last summer and look where we ended.This club is going backwards fast.Our best players are leaving the deadwood at the club wont go because no one will be dumb enough to pay them the sky high wages we pay them.Who is going to pay Denilson Diaby and Bender £50k plus a week like we do FFS.Get Given in if Blackburn want £15m for Samba and Bolton £20m for Cahill give it to them.If Madrid want £25m for Benzama give it to them.Are we a ****ing big club anymore?I very much doubt it.Whens the draw for the Europa league?

  35. Brigham

    Jun 25, 2011, 0:42 #9154

    Well said Tom post 10032 and a post I totaly support in more ways than one. WE are Arsenal, not Wenger, Kronke or any other who is there short term.. I have been a Gooner since 1969 and will die a Gooner.

  36. John Evans

    Jun 24, 2011, 19:06 #9147

    I too worry about people's health on here at times. But it is more the mental health of the blind that I worry about more so than the blood pressure and stress levels of the people that can see when they are being bent over again and again season after season

  37. clockendpaul

    Jun 24, 2011, 18:37 #9146

    I seem to remember we had a decent run in last year and still f**ked it up, won't matter who we play and when if we don't sort things out this summer.

  38. Colin

    Jun 24, 2011, 18:14 #9145

    Tom totally agree.Now is when the title is won.Its who you bring in.Look at the signings made last summer.The season was killed stone dead.A free transfer striker a novice CB who had one year in the French top division and a CB too slow in body and brain.Now is the time to have a go.Come September 1st it will be too late.Simon rip up the fixture list i can tell you now we wont finish in the top 4 come next May

  39. wenger out

    Jun 24, 2011, 15:12 #9134

    more dross from rose. he adds new meaning to the word dull. if you are daft enough to believe that the sequence of games we play makes any difference to the success or failure of this bunch of losers, then you are even more deluded than your very dull article suggests. How are you actually allowed to write for this site? Get Wenger out!

  40. Tom

    Jun 24, 2011, 15:09 #9133

    Simon wrote "If we screw up this summer, then is the time to react." No. We (the fans) are reacting at just the right time - the close season. Why react on September 1st when nothing can be done about it. Arsene said "judge me in May" so we have. He never said "judge me on September 1st." The time for the Club to react was when Chelsea came on the scene and raised the bar. Man Utd matched them while we sat back and watched. Not only did we watch that, but we watched the Spuds creaping up on us too. The time for giving him another chance has long since gone. I used to love the man, now I loath him.

  41. Tony

    Jun 24, 2011, 14:20 #9126

    Simon its you who are missing the point NOTHING will change next season or the season after as long as Wenger is manager.Once Wenger goes then we can look to the future as long as he stays nothing will ever change.Cesc and Nasri can see it why cant you.Your posts are just blind faith gone mad

  42. thatsimonrose

    Jun 24, 2011, 13:30 #9118

    Tony - so to paraphrase, our manager is still Arsene Wenger and I am failing to see this, and until I realise that everything is all his fault I am in denial? Exciting. Is a blog meant to include every single angle ever? Kev, where are we getting these people from? Some of you must have sunstroke.

  43. Tom

    Jun 24, 2011, 12:38 #9114

    Simon, I do support my Club, and bloody well. I do not, however, support the team (playing and management).

  44. thatsimonrose

    Jun 24, 2011, 12:37 #9113

    John, I take it you're not being serious. There is nothing deluded in the blog. Read it again. Do I say anywhere that we are wonderful and there are no problems to address? Seriously. I spotted the trends seasons ago and wrote about them then at various stages and in the last Gooner of the season. A "rant"? What rant? This blog is clearly no rant. "Add fuel to the fire"? Goodness me. The blog is just a calm analysis of our fixtures and what their order could mean for a team seriously capable of challenging. That is all. Sorting out our many flaws in order to be a serious challenger is of course our biggest hurdle. Which I acknowledged. Like I say, read it again, as it is, without pre-conceptions. There is nothing gained now by still banging on about last season and the groundhog seasons of the last few years. I would rather acknowledge them and move on in hope that Arsenal address the issues. I have no interest in working myself into a frenzy of certainty that nothing will change. I live in hope. If we screw up this summer, then is the time to react. I wonder about some people's health here sometimes. Their stress levels, their blood pressure.

  45. Brother Noopsy

    Jun 24, 2011, 10:42 #9100

    I actually agree with Simon. I read this site every day and all it's been for the last few weeks is the same rants over and over again. We know we need new players. We know we need some different tactics. We know we need to sometimes change the formation depending on the situation. We know that some people want Wenger out and some want him to stay. It's getting incredibly boring. Wenger is staying and any transfer deals will happen after 1st July when the worldwide transfer window opens. I know we are all impatient to see what happens but get a grip people. Simon then submits a column that changes tack slightly and you're all slagging him off. One way or another we will have a different team line up. What ever you think Wenger is not stupid, or a moron etc. Even if you don't agree with some of his tactics etc, I know I don't, he still deserves some respect. Anyway, Simon, yes it will be good to get some of our hardest fixtures out of the way early on.

  46. Tony

    Jun 24, 2011, 10:22 #9099

    Simon,yes last season is over.But the manager is still the same.Thats the problem you fail to see.We can blame the players all we like but its Wenger who buys them and Wenger who picks them and Wenger who installs the belief that4th place is a trophy.Until you realise that you are living in deniel.As has been said in other posts on the forum Wenger set the standard but the other teams have caught up and left us behind and our manager is now clueless

  47. thatsimonrose

    Jun 24, 2011, 10:04 #9097

    'Bunch' - "Pretty low value post to be honest." What? Strange. Should I just slag everything off and bang on about last season, like most other blogs? Not my way. I don't feel it. Move on, look for positives. Tom - "Utterly pointless article. With this current squad and management team, we will never finish in the top 4." Utterly pointless article, Tom? No. Utterly pointless comment, Tom? Yes. Where have you been? We haven't finished outside the top four for a long time. It's getting to the stage on this site at the moment where people with rabid opinions are just slinging them at whatever content they find. Get a grip and support your club.

  48. Ron

    Jun 24, 2011, 9:50 #9096

    Good post The last few years have seen the media created myth of Arsenal playing so called brilliant, attractive football create in the players a mindset thay theyre better than they really are. This has led to many games being played at a half pace, almost strolling pace at times both home and away. The truth is that there is a mispaced and ill conceived arrogance amongst many of those bottlers in Wengers teams. Why is it there? Look no further than the Manager and players who've fallen for the myth. A great many of the fans have swallowed Wengers myth too. As the crappy song at away games goes ' youve only come to see the Arsenal'. What a load of cobblers!Arrogance in the extreme. I for one am glad the myth has been shattered and hopefully it will stay that way. Trouble is, with French arrogance at the helm of the sqaud, im not sure that it will. Even the media have abandoned the so called Barca lite likeness. The truth is that it never existed anyway. How often have Arsenal really took a team to the cleaners with exhillarating football, average or stronger teams over the last few years. Hardly ever i truth. The 1971 Arsenal pedigree must whince when they see this flakey rabble we have in the red shirts. As a fan who started being a fan in the late 60s, i sure do and very often too.

  49. John Evans

    Jun 24, 2011, 9:43 #9095

    "because we ended badly last season and I'd rather look forward, not dwell? John, last season is over. All we have is to look forward. Not with delusion, but hope." Why does the above sound so deluded then? You can't expect to keep repeating the same thing over and over again and expect somehow to get different results. It is madness. I take the criticism about the Cesc situation as yet nothing has not been announced but I must say personally I would still rather read about something a little more interesting than some pointless rant about the upcoming fixture list. We all play 38 matches and we all play the same teams as everybody else just in a differing order. The run-in we had last season and the results we gained shows in flashing neon lights that who we face in the final ten games of the season is meaningless. So I personally feel your article could have only been meant to add fuel to the fire as all it was ever going to get was the reaction that it has got.

  50. bunch

    Jun 24, 2011, 2:18 #9091

    Pretty low value post to be honest. As you said in your response Simon, there is, and always should be, hope before the season starts. My view is that supporters (especially at the Grove) and more particularly players need to stop thnking in terms of easy games. Every victory can only be foreseen through hard work. Every opponent respected. Every victory celebrated. Too often I (and I'm sure many) have walked away from the Grove after we've gubbed a Bolton or a Blackburn or a Wolves and thought "yeh but it was only Bolton/Blackburn/Wolves". Well no actually, every team has the capacity to hurt us (and our title rivals) so every victory is an achievement. All we'd then need would be for the manager to take every opponent seriously and work out tactically how to beat them, instead of just playing our game (which has now been thoroughly worked out by every team in the Premier League)

  51. Tom

    Jun 23, 2011, 21:51 #9084

    Utterly pointless article. If my auntie had b0110x she'd be my uncle. With this current squad and management team, we will never finish in the top 4. And usually when something is called "That" as in "That goal" or "That save" or "That foul" It is because it is something to remember. This blog offers nothing to remember.

  52. thatsimonrose

    Jun 23, 2011, 20:31 #9082

    Some very funny comments! Proof once again that despite many people complaining that The Gooner is too negative, if you find a positive angle people will still complain! Proof too that people don't read your words in isolation and take them for what they are, when their head is too full of pre-determined opinions. It's bizarre how people seem to think you should include every single argument and angle going. It's a blog, not a book. 'Rose' tinted? Ho ho ho. John - "I completely fail to see the point of this article", because we ended badly last season and I'd rather look forward, not dwell? John, last season is over. All we have is to look forward. Not with delusion, but hope. What else can we do? Considering your predictions about Fabregas, which others have ridiculed (somewhat unfairly I think, the summer is still young), it might be better not to suggest to fail to see the point of others' articles at the moment.

  53. Dan

    Jun 23, 2011, 18:45 #9076

    Another mad post by Simon Rose.Does he write Wengers scripts?.If we were top of the table and were playing the bottom 10 teams in the premiership in our final 10 games we would still throw away the title.Why?Because we have a C**t as a manager and a bunch of bottlers in our team.Get real Simon its NEVER going to happen while Mr Magoo is our manager.The penny will drop in your world one day.Wenger has to go NOW

  54. BNG

    Jun 23, 2011, 17:47 #9072

    lets hit the ground running ( sorry I meant ) sideways passing and never shooting or being able to defend corners.....that will confuse the opposition.....I can hardly wait

  55. Ron

    Jun 23, 2011, 17:13 #9071

    The way the games fall doesnt really mean a thing, especially with Wengers teams mindset for the last few years. They can bottle it anywhere frankly. Look at the so called 'decent run' in last Season. What did that do for them? A good side takes on anybody at any stage of the season and wins tough away games v top and bottom teams. Its been quite a few years since the latter day flakey Arsenal have done that consistently. Too many lightweight, foreign butterflies who are pretty to look at from time to time, but dont cause strong teams to lose very much sleep.

  56. The Baron39

    Jun 23, 2011, 16:48 #9070

    Hmmm a kind of glass half full optimism from Simon Rose with a few 'ifs' and 'buts'thrown in for good measure. And who's to assume any team we face in the last two months will be in a relegation battle? In the early part of last season we lost to newly promoted West Brom at Home! So not away and not difficult! (or so we thought). Also our away form last season wasn't too shabby. It's not the fixtures that are no good, it's the team. When the fixtures came out in 2001/2002 no game home or away seemed difficult! oh! how things have changed. Arsenal have not scored more than 1 goal in a League game at Old Trafford since 1986!(in a defeat)if Utd score first we can expect to drop points then. Liverpool? we can't beat them with 3 milliseconds left to play out. Newcastle away? stony silence. My prediction is "far to much emphasis placed on the champions league qualifiers". Resulting in dropped points in all of our first 3 league games and a points gap never to be made up.

  57. John Evans

    Jun 23, 2011, 16:15 #9067

    Simon - We had a great looking run-in of games last season and with three months remaining stood in a position where we should have won the league. As we ended that campaign a full 12 points adrift and in fourth position I completely fail to see the point of this article. It does not matter who you have left to play when you repeatidly fail to beat the likes of Blackburn at home when under any pressure whatsoever. It isn't about the teams we face, it is about the mentality of our own playing squad and until that obvious fault is addressed then for me looking ahead to the fixture list is a pointless waste of time.

  58. au revoir wenger

    Jun 23, 2011, 15:55 #9064

    is your name simon rose tinted glasses? this squad will do well to finish top six next season and thats only if cesc stays

  59. Pink Panther Strikes again

    Jun 23, 2011, 15:31 #9060

    so to recap. Fixtures are fine. money is in the bank. we have a world class stadium. We are in London. We are well suported. so we have everything right ? except a fired up manager + board and a bunch of fired up raring to go top bunch of players ! Clouless cant focus on buying new players because he is trying to put out the fires in his present squad as all the best players want to leave ! why because of him and his bloody stubborness

  60. GunnerZim

    Jun 23, 2011, 15:24 #9057

    I have never been one to attach too much importance to the way fixtures are lined up. Arsenal have the capacity to mess up even the most straighforward looking fixtures. All we need is to have the right players in place, the right mentality and the right tactics by the time the season kicks off. I wish I shared your optimism!