It’s all gone quiet over there

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It’s all gone quiet over there

Arsene: Right all along?


How I wish newspapers would re-issue previous editions and that Sky Sports would replace the silly screen that pundits stand next to showing replays with a replay of their analysis on some of their previous episodes and the comments made by their overpaid pundits in the first few weeks of the season.

What amazes me most is the fact that some of these pundits have been around since the Premiership started in 1992 and in those years we’ve seen several Liverpool managers come and go, each spending millions of pounds on players, none winning the Premiership and most not even getting them close. So, after last summer’s spending spree, Liverpool find themselves in 7th place (15 points behind the league leaders and it’s not even mid-season!) and I’m sure they will have piles of excuses at the end of the season.

The season has a long, long way to go and Arsenal has to step up to the plate when we play the teams that are ahead of us and those immediately below us. For those seeking to take credit for presumably forcing Wenger to buy players by continued negativity and turning their backs on the club when the going was rough at the beginning of the season, I would ask that you hold on till we find evidence that the players brought in have made a difference, because all I can see right now is the same old players Wenger had (RVP, Walcott, Verminator) and some of the supposedly rubbish ones he bought much earlier (Gervinho, Kos) who are doing the business right now.

Over the years, the inconsistency of what has been said is simply staggering and if ‘reprints’ were possible, it would make for very good reading indeed:

(1) Just as the recession started to bit hard across Europe, club owners were seeking to put a lid on crazy spending (right after the Ronaldo move from Man Utd) and every newspaper in the land plus TV Pundits were going on about how amoral football was becoming and starving kids in third world countries.

(2) A few months down the road, Man City began flexing their muscles and spent crazy amounts; with the old ‘big-spenders’ Man Utd having a moan about how clubs shouldn’t be allowed to spend such crazy amounts.

(3) A few more moons down the road, Liverpool spend £35million on a fellow who had been playing in the Championship and had only been in the Premiership a few weeks and the pundits spent weeks talking about how stupid Arsene Wenger is and how he should have done something similar by spending like a maniac.

(4) A few more weeks later, Arsenal had a horrific start to the season, got thumped at Man Utd, lost at home to Liverpool and the pundits were all about the superior LIVERPOOL approach to the season and how they have bought and will challenge for the title this year and will go all the way (somehow I just cant see that happening….)

(5) A few weeks later, Arsenal panic-buy and down came the pundits again about how stupid Wenger is and how the team can’t gel etc

14 games later, Wenger still has a lot to do. He should also start thinking about next season and how he needs to start off by thinking seriously about challenging for the title and not listening to Gazidis about his financial model and finishing 4th with a smile on our faces! Arsenal fans do not wish to look forward to 4th place; we want the club to invest shrewdly (the way we used to, some moons back with David Dein) and return to challenging for the league and other trophies

With the final Champions League group matches upon us, we can soon expect to see some clubs like Man City and perhaps Chelsea tell us that their main target for the season is the Premiership trophy and that the millions they have spent over the past few years is just work-in-progress. Again, it will be interesting to compare what was said by the pundits a few weeks back when the group stages were drawn and we were all asked to believe that Man City, Chelsea and Man Utd would make it through their respective groups with ease and that Arsenal will struggle and eventually fail to reach the last 16. And a lot of the comments on OnlineGooner would be worth re-printing as well…

Let’s not get into a debate about who’s wrong and who’s right, let’s see how the rest of the season pans out and if Arsenal can avoid the usual December/January collapse (used to be November, but the fixtures have been kind to us this November) and THEN, the ‘Wenger Must Go’ folks and the AKBs can re-evaluate and hopefully join the rest of us, the ‘Come on you Gooners’ group who simply want to see Arsenal do well and will support whoever’s in charge throughout the season and save our negativity for when it won’t hurt the team’s progress


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  1. Wombledin

    Dec 09, 2011, 8:01 #15789

    What Snout said. We finished 4th last season after a late season crash. We will probably finish 4th again this season after an early season crash. Same old same old, different ends of the season. Nothing's changed and Wenger isn't right all along. We are now just the Valencia of English football.

  2. Nick

    Dec 08, 2011, 14:00 #15765

    Last season wenger did not buy in january even though he knew and lied about knowing that vermallen was out for the season thus putting far too much pressure on (forgive me i cant spell his full name) kos, who had shown glimpses of the form he is producing now, this season he will not, buy in jan when it is obvious we have GLARING defiecencys in cover for both full back positions and main striker his tactics are questionable he is ALWAYS reactive with substitutions not proactive and his stubborness in keeping faith with players ie almunia, sqillaci, diaby, chamack,and so on whilst insisting on playing people out of position ie arshavin is guaranteed to keep certain players underperforming the man has been brilliant in the past probably the best manager ive seen at the club in 50 years of supporting arsenal but his stubborness with spending and on backing his judgement when a project has clearly failed will in the end be his and our undoing i hope he proves me wrong and stuffs my words back down my thoat id willing choke on them but it is becoming increasingly difficult to trust a man that has continually led us up the garden path

  3. GoonerGoal!

    Dec 07, 2011, 22:06 #15744

    Shoule AW buy? Let's see, we have no reserve fullbacks available, reserve strikers in name only, and judging from their past performances and particularly the way they played in Greece, no reserve goalkeepers. The future looks bleak if we lose Szczęsny, Vermaelen or Van Persie to injury, but will he do something about it? Probably not...

  4. Gooner S

    Dec 07, 2011, 17:35 #15732

    A well balanced article, with views clearly put. I agree with much of what you write. I think you'll find that most Arsenal supporters are in the ‘Come on you Gooners’ category!

  5. Gare Kekeke

    Dec 07, 2011, 1:48 #15690

    Fair article CG. I am still a Wenger critic but credit to him and the team for the upturn in results. But the proof of this so-called 'revival' would be proper hardcore silverware. Finishing 4th without even a domestic cup should not be seen as major achievement. I agree with Jonesey. I too am amazed that a lot of our fans will happily accept mediocrity just as long as Wenger remains as the manager. If any of you are bothered to study the history of football and not just concentrate on the present day (and many of you refuse too), we should not be afraid of change. Sure it has backfired at many clubs but has worked elsewhere too. Big Ron Atkinson may have won two FA Cups for Man utd back in the 1980s but unlike his successor (some chap called Sir Alex Ferguson), he couldn't deliver the league title. Much as we hate it, Tottenham are better off with Redknapp than they were under Ramos. But I suppose because Ramos won the Carling Cup against Chelsea (stuffing us in the semi on route to Wembley glory), Tottenham shold have stood by him eh? If we fall falt on faces again this season, and I personally think we will, let us not be afraid of change. And the board have to change too. We are not the paupers they and Wenger make us out to be. David Moyes at Everton has f*ck all to spend at Goodison. He has Liverpool literally down the road and across the East Lancs road, the big two from Manchester, but he gets on with it. Wenger, sadly on the other hand, bitches, moan and whinge about how Man City & Chelsea are 'financially doped'. And he is the only manager as far as I'm aware of in the world to do so. Yes, I agree they are, but retaliate in a sensible way not the complete opposite of what they are doing and trying to prove a point, even if it goes t*ts up which it did with us. Come on you Gunners!

  6. win AFC

    Dec 07, 2011, 0:25 #15688

    I think Wenger as taken on a lot instead of just dealing with the first team. Let some one else that care of the transfer dealings and other matters concerning the club. UP THE GUNNERS.

  7. Mandy Dodd

    Dec 06, 2011, 22:23 #15686

    I didn't see it, as you can tell, most true Gooners do not worry about spuds, in our shadow and all that! Fifty years, nothing major.....

  8. Alan Hansen

    Dec 06, 2011, 22:07 #15685

    Mandy Dodd.Thanks for the mention....was just in the middle of polishing my 3 European Cup,8 League Title,2 FA Cup and 3 League Cup winners medals.Night,night!

  9. Ken Dodd

    Dec 06, 2011, 19:04 #15683

    By jove,by jove,what a beautiful day to take Mandy Dodd out to lunch at Spudulike and declare: ''plenty of fake spuds for you to get your teeth into here love!''

  10. CanadaGooner

    Dec 06, 2011, 18:42 #15682

    @ I didnt See it: my objective was to compare over a period of time, not just one season. If the Spud could swap their only Carling Cup win for what Arsenal has won under Wenger, I'm sure they would trade an arm for it. Also, perhaps you forget it's only a few seasons back when they should have pipped us to CL spot only to lose out on the final day to West Ham. When the Spuds have won 3 premier league titles, a few FA Cups and play in the CL for 14 consecutive years, I may begin to make some comparisons with them. Thank you to all AMG & AKBs and anyone else who have commented on this article so far; even the usually negative folks saw the logic to what I was trying to say, and the comments have been very fair, constructive and to the point. If we carry on in this manner, putting ARSENAL first and our opinions about Wenger second, I think we will give the team the support they need and hopefully things turn out for the best at the end of this season. Perhaps we can even get back to winning ways (trophies and not 4th place)

  11. I Didnt See It

    Dec 06, 2011, 16:04 #15679

    Canada i have read your article twice but no mention of the Spuds(must have slipped your mind) who are 3rd.Who spent LESS than us this summer.You are not slow to compare us with Liverpool but not the Spuds.The truth is which a lot of Gooners wont admit was they kept their best two players.While we continue to be a selling club.If we finish below the Spuds that should be the death nail for Wenger

  12. andy

    Dec 06, 2011, 15:47 #15677

    This site is soo sujective When were doing great its like "I told ya" When where doing bad this site is more negative than any tv show You had atleast 10 articles like Arsene must go I have lost faith in this manager Blah blah Baised people

  13. gee

    Dec 06, 2011, 15:08 #15676

    Liverpool are hilarious this will be 6 years with no trophy yet they never say a thing about it. They laud moyes for making everton compete on peanuts yet he's never won anything. Wenger has better net spend than moyes yet has won 3 pl title. Problem is we can't compete financially until 2014 when we can maximize sponsor revenue, additional 40m a year. Objective is stay in cl until then and then boomtime

  14. Jonesey

    Dec 06, 2011, 15:03 #15675

    OK so the media are hypocrites. We know that. But you're asking us to judge Wenger in May. Again. The man himself told us to judge him last May, although for me the season was over when he didn't buy defensive cover in January. Most of us knew what would happen thereafter, but the man who is paid £6m a year to know, didn't. And incredibly, you still believe that Gazidis dictates the transfer budget! I know it's much easier to blame a new board for our problems rather than a man who has done so much for the club in the past, but Wenger calls the shots, and if he was told what to do he would walk. Just take a few minutes to look through the club accounts and try and tell me that he uses all the financial resources at his disposal. Part of the problem is that we must have the most unambitious set of fans in football. So terrified of the brave new world without Wenger that they put up with failure every year, accept the same excuses over and over again, and then pay ridiculous prices to watch more of the same. Ronaldo said he loves playing at Real Madrid because of the pressure to succeed there, god only knows what he'd think of the acceptance culture at Arsenal. Yes this current team is much nicer, they all work hard (except Arshavin) and they're quite capable of winning the 4th place 'trophy' but if that's all a club like Arsenal aspires to, what's the point?

  15. latesignings

    Dec 06, 2011, 14:57 #15674

    Park, Mertesacker and Santos are not great additions but Arteta's been a terrific signing- and the most expensive: speculate and u will accumulate methinks.

  16. Croker

    Dec 06, 2011, 14:51 #15673

    True all that, CanadaGooner. Keep all that constructive wordsmithing flowing on to these pages.

  17. johnnyhawleylovinggooner

    Dec 06, 2011, 14:21 #15672

    all true .however we are still in the situ wereby we sell rvp for £50 mil and add it to the money in the bank,then buy 4 £20 mill+ players. or we can keep rvp and get into debt and buy 3 £25 mill players just to slightly improve on the squad form last year. we now have to make this call because of our buss model. that does not make me pro or anti arsene or the board it is just the way it is.we really have no progress untill we know what the plans are.

  18. David Stewart

    Dec 06, 2011, 14:07 #15671

    The real sad thing is how so many people hang on every word the pundits say and the journalists write even though on deeper analysis it's seldom little more than speculative guesswork. This has been evidenced by much of what is repeated on this site over the last 12 months.

  19. Mandy Dodd

    Dec 06, 2011, 14:00 #15670

    Some very valid points. The fact is, the team are turning things around, the fans at the games are clearly behind the team, as are increasing numbers on the blogs (Fake Spuds aside but they are quite easy to spot). The pundits are behind the times, they wrote this team off, almost in unison (Tony Woodcock - "This team are in a relegation dogfight") and now they look stupid....very stupid. As for Alan Hansen, it was a long time ago, one day, you will have to get over it!

  20. Ron

    Dec 06, 2011, 13:27 #15668

    Clough used to call pundits 'the failure squad' He was right. He usually was. Its great having no Sky tele (all football coverage on the TV is awful anyway in my view) and i havent bought a paper for 5 years.Theyre simply not needed.

  21. Jekyll

    Dec 06, 2011, 12:58 #15667

    There is something in what you say - it's too soon for some of the reverence we've seen return for Wenger, and certainly not the time for outright condemnation of him either. I do feel that some changes were basically forced on him though, not by outside pressures because I don't think he listens to anybody, but by circumstances. Finally, if the good run continues the rest of the season that means we may grab 3rd or 4th. It really wouldn't be that amazing an achievement for a club of our stature and represents no progress from the last few seasons, but you can be sure Wenger would be hailed to the heavens for it. There is a component of our fanbase these days who just want to see him in charge, no matter what, and that's not any more healthy than mindlessly shouting WENGER OUT.

  22. Tony Evans

    Dec 06, 2011, 12:21 #15666

    I can't argue with any of that. I am overlooking what I see as Wenger's faults at the moment, which are: persisting with players that should be shown the door e.g. Diaby and not having enough good squad players in ALL the key positions, and by that I mean the spine of the team. At least this way I can get behind the team properly and just patiently wait and see what pans out this season.

  23. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Dec 06, 2011, 11:50 #15665

    Hansen predicts Liverpool to win the league every August. Silly twat.

  24. Dan h

    Dec 06, 2011, 11:24 #15664

    Liverpool 5 years themselves without silverware but never mentioned in the media make of that what you will.If you have £50m burning a hole in your pocket & spend £35m of it on an unproven striker that for me is the real definition of a panic buy.Agree with most of the article but i believe the buys late in the window have made a difference.The experience has helped on the pitch & off it the spirit in the squad is much improved from recent seasons.You rightly point out the impact of too much negativity in the fanbase can affect the team well you can treble that if the squad themselves are not pulling together.This current squad may not be the most talented of our recent history but when AW says the spirit is excellent amongst them he is spot on.The team are more together i have been told don't go overboard after a victory and likewise not the silent recriminations after defeat.The senior players brought in are a lot more constructive in their views the team is certainly gelling on the pitch & good to hear more together off it.

  25. Hamza Ali Baksh

    Dec 06, 2011, 10:16 #15662

    Not directly related to Arsenal, but remember how the pundits went bananas last year when Chris Houghton was sacked at Newcastle and Alan Pardew was named the manager? Hmmm... Just realsied that it was exactly one year ago today! I think alot of their fans would take the team and manager they have now over the team and manager they had a year and a day ago.

  26. Snout

    Dec 06, 2011, 10:09 #15660

    CG At the end of last season when we finished 4th i said Wenger should have quit.This season we are playing for 4th place.So why should i change my opinion? If Spurs win their game in hand they will be 8pts ahead of us.A fact a lot of Gooners are ignoring.Is that something to celebrate?.We all know that snake Gazidis and Wenger are happy to finish 4th every season but should us the fans?Of course not.Come the summer RVP and maybe Walcott will leave because they have ambition.Wenger has taken us as far as he can.But we all know if he stays nothing will change

  27. CB

    Dec 06, 2011, 10:09 #15659

    Great article. The gap between an AKB and an AMG started off very small, in fact there probably was no difference in 2003/4, we all loved Arsene. The gap has grown but the point made in the final paragraph is right - we all need to get back to being supporters rather than being in two separate camps. Our team would probably have a better chance then as we all cheer on the Gunners.

  28. g clarke

    Dec 06, 2011, 10:09 #15658

    the attacks by sky sports its rag the sun were to my mind business dammaging in other walks of life this would be sueable why not football? if manager was forced out it would have taken at least a season to get back to where team is prob more

  29. Matty S

    Dec 06, 2011, 9:56 #15657

    OH MY GOD A WELL-BALANCED ARTICLE!!! Thank you sir, also backing up my experiment that I have yet to meet a bad Canadian. Great article, no mention of media conspiracies, no mention of Wenger having to pack his bag, buy Carlos Tevez or that we should never dare to question him as he's done so much for the club. Take my hat off to you, COME ON YOU GOONERS!!!

  30. matt

    Dec 06, 2011, 9:56 #15656

    exactly.I think about this all the time. Those pundits are only pundits because they would be rubbish managers.Jokes.Hansens been getting away with it for years.They are cowards really.Give every manager the same amount of money and i know who my money would be on!

  31. faizal

    Dec 06, 2011, 9:50 #15655

    Spot on my man. Too many johnny come lately's in our fan base. They all make me sick. Its good to have folks like you sticking up for what is right.keep it up my man.

  32. jason

    Dec 06, 2011, 9:40 #15654

    Judge Wenger in the january window.If he doesnt sign a striker i want the AKB's to say the man has lost the plot.And even if we do finish 4th Wenger should go.We are not progressing 4th is standing still