Arsenal’s Shambolic Transfer Policy

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Arsenal’s Shambolic Transfer Policy

Benayoun: What does his capture say about the club’s ambitions?


If Arsenal’s team-building policy is to replace the old with the fresh/new/youngsters, then along with that policy we must have a built-in mechanism that would keep those young players at the club, but with our wage structure and inability to win anything in the last six seasons, we have a doomed policy. Only a stark-raving lunatic would fail to see that a combination of no trophies, uncompromising wage structure and an awful lack of readiness for the transfer window can only lead to one conclusion: LACK OF AMBITION.

Years back, when footballers played for the local clubs where they were born and bred, and wouldn’t care much whether or not their teams won trophies or whether they could earn a bit more down the road, it would have been ideal to carry on grooming youngsters, but with today’s modern-day football, where players are simply mercenaries, and would kiss the badge of another club the very next day, it is simply a non-starter to assume you can command loyalty without trophies or sustained success.

Whichever way you look at Summer 2011, a few people at Arsenal got away with it, including Wenger. Fans were treated to several months of talk about ‘QUALITY’ players coming in, and then we had to wait till the final day of the window to get Benayoun? I have heard all sorts of explanations and recriminations from all sides, AKBs and AMGs, and regardless of which side you’re on, the whole scenario was a disgrace. Arsenal has become a club that lacks foresight: did Wenger think the same group of lads who collapsed following our tame capitulation to Birmingham at Wembley would have suddenly grown some balls over the summer to somehow challenge in the league in 2011-12? Did anyone on the board at Arsenal assume that the addition of Oxlade-Chamberlain to that tame squad was enough to turn it into a trophy-winning squad? The only logical answer is: LACK OF AMBITION. The Arsenal Board is resigned to having a team that works hard enough to finish in the top four, gets to the Champions League round of 16, makes each of them enough to end the year with a decent bonus and never mind what the fans want. Never mind what the folks who scream their lungs out at the stadium week-in week-out want.

There’s nothing wrong with having a youth policy and a strict wage structure, provided you accept the realities of modern day football and understand what it takes to keep those players. A club that fails to learn from its experience in the previous season is a club that lacks ambition. Arsenal used to have a core: Vieira, then eventually Flamini, had a successful season in that midfield bulldog role. It’s very possible that Wilshere will be able to marshal that role in years to come, but surely there should have been some foresight applied after Vieira left; we failed to keep Flamini and we failed to buy players who could give us that core. That isn’t rocket science; it’s simply lack of planning and no foresight whatsoever. It’s nothing to do with Arsenal not having money to spend; there are several inexpensive players we could have bought and tried in that role, and the same applies to what happened after the likes of Campbell, Keown and Parlour left. If someone came out and told us all that Arsenal is changing tactics and we won’t require such roles anymore, then fine. But that wasn’t the case, was it?

The January transfer window is about to open and I don’t think we need a crystal-ball to work out where Arsenal has been weak so far this season, and areas that have cost us in the past six seasons. Assuming we draw Barcelona in the Quarter finals of the CL, what do we have now that we didn’t have last season? NOTHING. So, how can we hope for a different outcome? WE CAN’T. That is what really annoys me about what Arsenal have become: A PREDICTABLY SOFT-TOUCH TEAM. We face Manchester City next week and already we know we would require a miracle to get anything out of that match (thankfully, the same applies to most teams in the Premiership this season and I expect Tottenham, Liverpool and Chelsea to drop several more points in unexpected fixtures). I don’t agree with blaming any particular person for our dilemma; be it Wenger or Gazidis, this is a problem that Arsenal as a club needs to work together to deal with. Someone needs to tell us what the long-term plan is, because - at this point - I can’t seem to see any. I don’t see players coming in during January to fill the obvious areas of weakness, and I don’t see any preparations in place to ensure that: we thought they had a game plan last summer, but it turned out to be a deadline day capture of Benayoun!


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  1. IrishGunner

    Dec 18, 2011, 0:09 #16030

    Oh c'mon man, geez. Are you sure your not a spurs fan in disguise? Would you rather we go and blow the family jewels for a little short lived success like city? When the like of mansour et al have found new toys to play with, we'll be in the best position to take advantage. Even before them were still the gunners, have a bit of pride in your club.

  2. Thumbs

    Dec 15, 2011, 7:16 #15993

    Don't agree. I remember Wenger telling supporters many times that until the financial fair play rules came in Arsenal could not compete. He has done better than I for one expected. Also, Benayoun is a class player with lots of experience.

  3. Delia ----Block112

    Dec 14, 2011, 16:58 #15981

    We had to qualify for the CL first before quality players could be persuaded to join our ranks.The second match at Udinese was not until the 24th August!

  4. CanadaGooner

    Dec 14, 2011, 16:47 #15979

    Ron, I'm sure if you go far back enough you'll get to a time when Man Utd didnt win anything for years and Chelsea werent even in the top division. What has that got to do with today's discussion? I've been going to Arsenal games for almost 30 years but again, what's that to do with anything? Maybe when I'm 60 years old I can post on here that I've been going to arsenal games for almost 60 years? so what? There's always going to be someone who's been a fan for much longer. I dont have a problem with Benny at all, what I have a problem with is a transfer system where we pay for scouts and are promised 'quality' buys only to wait till deadline day to get a backup player: my point is that if the club wants to buy players like benny, they shouldnt have to wait till deadline day and keep our hopes up! deadline day buys should be a coup and should be some spectacular player that they had had to wait for!

  5. Ron

    Dec 14, 2011, 15:51 #15976

    Canada G ........ you mention 'being without a trophy for this long'. All i can add to this thread is that its a good job you werent following the Arsenal from the mid 60s onwards till the Wenger years! If you had have been, im pretty sure you 'd have converted to Utd or maybe Tottenham even (in the 60s or for a good part of the 70s)We ve always lost top players. All Clubs do. Benny is the butt of your ire it seems. Hes far from a glamourous signing, but i wish we had about 20 more like him on the books. Hes a real quality pro, there to do a job and for the most part has done so.There are a few in that squad whove been with us for 5-6 years who cant hold a candle to Benny, on or off the pitch.

  6. Theo's Bikini-Line

    Dec 14, 2011, 14:32 #15971

    mark from aylesbury 13:08pm 14th Dec 2011: "Canada gooner and Mandy Dodd, is there something we should know?" lol. Was thinking the exact same thing after reading her post. Had anyone else written what CG did, there is no doubt in my mind that Mandy would have given the scoundrel swift rebuke!! Seems Miss/Mrs Dodd enjoys a little bit of flattery and responds likewise.

  7. CanadaGooner

    Dec 14, 2011, 14:23 #15970

    Tony Evans has said it all. Not much more to add. I cant recall any direct criticisms in my article other than that of a system that is letting Arsenal down. readers can make up their own minds what that system comprises of (wenger's ego or inefficient board) - the fact of the matter is that something isnt quite right or we wont be without a trophy for this long and our best players wont be so keen to walk away. While the season is ongoing my support for whoever the manager is and whoever's in the team is 100% and that's that. But that doesnt remove the need to discuss or debate some key issues at the right time and few would argue that December isnt the right time to talk about the transfer window or transfer policy fortunately I'm not stupid enough to think everyone would agree with my article nor to think 'Theo's Bikini Line' would desist from a pitiful attempt to antagonise anything I say even if I said Arsenal beat Chelsea 5 - 3 at Stamford Bridge, I'm sure he/she will still have an issue with that. I'm happy to agree to disagree as I have stated repeatedly and move on to the next topic. Come on you Gooners!!

  8. jerome

    Dec 14, 2011, 13:44 #15969

    having read some of the comments, I can see why people are upset with the article as we are playing well at the mo. but... fact still remains that we're still not good enough to win the title and that is the problem!! yes we shud get behind the team but we all know that's just to get champs league football and not the title!! plus we all know without van p, we wudnt be where we are so let's pray he doesn't get injured.

  9. mark from aylesbury

    Dec 14, 2011, 13:08 #15967

    Canada gooner and Mandy Dodd, is there something we should know? Have to say that your chilly blast from Canada has me completely confused. I thought you were a signed AKB, Peter Hillwood and Silent Stan fan club member!

  10. Brigham

    Dec 14, 2011, 12:25 #15966

    A really negative article and I do not understand your gripe with Benayoun as he has performed pretty well given his limited appearences. So have Arteta and Santos, so I fail to see why you write with so much negativity, particularly considering we are actually playing well right now.

  11. 1962er

    Dec 14, 2011, 11:37 #15965

    100% correct CanadaGooner. Arsenal's transfer policy is a total shambles, and has been for several years under Wenger. We are several players short of making even 4th place, and for the first time since 1981, are some way behind our North London rivals, who, I consider have a good chance of second place, though it grieves me to say so. Our last day spending was shambolic, and the next few weeks will prove this to be so as we play the better teams and slip further behind the top four.

  12. Bob

    Dec 14, 2011, 10:59 #15964

    Great article, spot on about lack of ambition. It is easy to be lulled into a sense of false security by the recent decent run of form, but the bottom line is that we are not likely to win the premiership or champions' league with the players we have assembled, and we are already out of the Carling Cup. For those who say "We're only Arsenal, why should we aspire to be the best"....man who challenged that mediocrity from top to bottom and did what it took to make us the best. Thank goodness Herbert Chapman didn't accept top four as the ceiling for a Club which had never won anything.

  13. Theo's Bikini-Line

    Dec 14, 2011, 10:50 #15963

    It's not what CanadaGooner has written that I take issue with. It's the fact that he has spent the past few months having a go at and insulting anyone else that dared to question our summer transfer policy and other aspects of the team and club. The irony, of course, being that they are exactly the same issues which he considered 'nonsense' and 'uncontructive' when raised by others.

  14. bunch

    Dec 14, 2011, 10:19 #15962

    There's no doubting that this summer was royally screwed up by the management of our club. On top of the recent history of mistakenly giving good contracts to average performers it has left us in a weak position. Don't forget, we are still paying for Denilson, Bendtner, Vela, Almunia, Squillaci and that piece of c**p number 2. However, of the "transfer deadline day five" we've seen that Arteta, Santos and Mertesacker have added much needed experience and quality and benayoun has shown the same with the chances he's been given. I like him. If we'd have got these players in June or July we wouldn't have lost the games we did becasue they would have had time to bed in. We'd have been up with Citeh and Man U already. A the muppets who equate critising what has been going on at our club with not being a true Arsenal fan need to open their eyes. Its the blind idiots who accept mediocracy that will ruin our club.

  15. Tony Evans

    Dec 14, 2011, 8:45 #15961

    I am amazed at some of the responses to this article. CanadaGooner is the last person to call negative. What he is saying here is a fair comment with the January transfer window coming up. I enjoy reading intelligent responses, either for or against, but sometimes I wonder at the IQ level of some fans after reading what they have written.

  16. Frank

    Dec 14, 2011, 7:20 #15960

    To all those calling this article negative ask yourselves where would we be if we had bought quality in July and not deadline day.We have a manager who had no planning of transfers in the summer.If he wanted Arteta why not buy him as soon as the window opened.If we had won a couple of our first 3 games would we have made all the transfer deadline panic signings?.And just watch what Wenger does in january.We dont have a back up keeper and striker.Will he buy?not a chance in hell.Only when we finish outside the top 4 will dopey Wenger wake up

  17. Matty S

    Dec 14, 2011, 6:10 #15959

    Sh!thouse article once again. How an editor who writes such good articles lets this cr@p filter through is beyond me. No the transfer window wasn't as good, but Benayoun is EXACTLY the kind of transfer we needed: cheap, experienced, quality backup. And like these other people say, support your club, support its players.

  18. DW Thomas

    Dec 14, 2011, 3:18 #15958

    Wenger has convinced many fans that his policies and dealings are always the right and only possible thing to do. We could have had Mata and for whatever reasons (wages, transfer cost, etc.) it fell apart. He has been brilliant for Chelsea in their team and system and I keep wondering how great he would have been for Arsenal. I am tired of hearing "We will only buy if the player is super quality" b.s. We could have bought any number of top quality players if only the padlock would be removed from the wallet. Arsenal always have injuries and lose key players. The difference is other teams usually have quality back up. We don't, plain and simple. Wenger's ego says he can do no wrong. I refuse to believe he would have bought anyone this summer had we not had the shellacking from Man United. He never learns or grows and is stuck in an old world where he dreams about building a squad. Problem is, talent will leave if trophies are not won. Make no mistake, all our good players will go if no rewards are reaped. Arsenal have been so close to greatness and have only needed a few more players to round out the squad, yet Wenger never buys. It's almost like he refuses to buy the finished article just so he can mold some young talent into great players so he looks good. Problem is too many of them never pan out. For every Jack or Cesc there's Denilson or Senderos. If Gotze or Hazard are available and he does nothing again, it is dereliction of duty once more. Arsene is ultimately responsible for our success and failures. How long will he be allowed to lose despite his glowing chances to win if the right squad with depth had been put together? A super signing would show intent once again and say Arsenal want to win and will do whatever they can to get there. Sure, be financially sound, but spend all you can to be the best you can. Arsene should do the things he's best at and let a Dein like figure deal in the transfers. Speculate to accumulate.

  19. HypocrisyThyNameIS....

    Dec 14, 2011, 2:01 #15957

    CanadaGooner you've really let your self down. On another article you tore into people who were criticising Wenger saying they knew nothing and were just bloggers. Well one of the contributing writers on here shared a quote from an interview with the chairman where he said Wenger was allowed to use ALL the money generated from transfers for purchasing new players. It's Wenger's choice and you are just a blogger as well so don't undermine people whose opinions differ to yours- you could at least do some research.

  20. AFCasap

    Dec 14, 2011, 0:00 #15956

    yeah i'm confused....i've read some of your previous and pegged you as a full on wenger lover/don't rock the boat merchant....now this???...make your mind up....nevermind

  21. Harold

    Dec 13, 2011, 23:42 #15954

    Mandy Dodd- A year after we signed Hawley and Hankin we spent big on Tony Woodcock, a year later we spent even bigger on Charlie Nicholas. No sign of historical cautiousness there, and I wish it only took Wenger a year acknowledge his mistakes. Canada Gooner- Your lack of self-awareness is the most entertaining thing on this board, keep them coming mate.

  22. Tony

    Dec 13, 2011, 23:28 #15953

    Given the manner in which the season began and the corresponding, nonsensical talk of relegation, why not be pleased with the club’s current ascent in the table? Unless, that is, the author’s goal is to incite and resurrect negativity among supporters. If that’s the case, job well done, mate. I certainly want to see the club strengthened next month to plug obvious holes, but the truth of the matter is that spending money guarantees nothing. Citeh spent billions for Europa League football. Absolutely hilarious.

  23. CanadaGooner

    Dec 13, 2011, 22:38 #15952

    Looks like we all agree on one thing: Arsenal needs to improve to win a trophy. GREAT. I'll take that. It's funny someone asked why I said "if we draw Barcelona in the Quarter Finals" : we cant draw them now as they topped their group too (I would have thought anyone would know that eh?). Come on Arsenal! Come on Wenger! Come on RVP! goodluck and Citeh - hopefully we compound their misery Excellent comment by the way Mandy (Dodd)

  24. Tristan

    Dec 13, 2011, 21:58 #15951

    So I might be a hopeless, naive romantic but I take issue with the article author's assumption that all footballers are mercenaries. Sure, there's a lot of them out there these days but there are some exceptions and these are the true class players. People like Henry, RvP and even Fabregas. They are not soulless mercenaries, hunting for a bigger paycheck. They play for something bigger, for their love of the beautiful game. Also, the areas we've had problems with this season? I'm pretty sure they are not the same as they used to be 5 years ago. Goalkeeper? Nope, Almunia has been replace with the polish wonderkid. Centreback? For once, we have the luxury of choice. Squillaci haven't even played a game in the league.. Up top, I hope I don't even have to remind people what we've got. By the way, somebody mentioned that we had a lack in the attacking midfield? Um.. Ramsey, Wilshere, Rosicky, Arshavin, Benayoun? How much cover do you want, cause you do know that we're only allowed a 25-man squad, right? And when critizing our development project, you might wanna take a look at the kind of finished products we've gotten out of it? RvP, Fabregas, Song (one of the best defensive midfielder, with two hungry up-and-coming youngsters on his heels), Szczesny, Gibbs (though injury-prone), Walcott, Wilshere, Ramsey etc. None of these would have gotten through if we'd been buying ready-made products (and keep in mind that these are not guaranteed to succeed either). We can take Felipe Melo as an example. Arsenal was supposedly interested and every "fan" with an internet connection was saying that it was a no-brainer, and not signing him would be idiotic. He signed for Juve for €25 million euros, picked up a prize as the worst footballer in Italy. We saved some money, but more importantly we're now standing with a wealth of quality DMs, no? As for Barcelona, had it not been for a ridiculous yellow card and Bendtners inability to receive a ball, we probably would have gone through. Don't forget we played a very inspired second-half against them in the home-leg, probably better than any Real played against them that season, and we were closer to beating them than Man Utd. ever were, for sure. But I guess the bottom line is this: Do you want Arsenal to continue playing dazzling football at times, giving us dramatic matches against top teams, and develop top class footballing geniuses, every season having a small, maybe vain, hope for the title or do you want us to become one of many to sell our soul to some shady sugardaddy, in the hope of slightly increasing that hope. Remember there are a lot of clubs trying to buy their way to glory out there, but there is only one Arsenal FC!

  25. Joe S.

    Dec 13, 2011, 21:57 #15950

    OH my God, the AKB's are alive and well, talk about you only sing when you're winning. Hey Robin. Canada Gooners commentary is a spot on analysis of Arsenal's terrible transfer policy, As others have also commented we always seem to be three quality players from having a top class team. Sure it's been a good run thus far, but Arteta is 30 yearss old,we'll be looking for a replacement within two years, Santos is an unknown quantity, he could flop or he could turn into something good. As for Benayoun and Park they were merely stop gaps bought to plug an emergency. What future prospects do these players offer Arsenal? From the above comments I gather that anyone who puts on an Arsenal shirt should be beyond critisicm. Yeh! Whatever.

  26. CJ

    Dec 13, 2011, 21:30 #15949

    Gazedis is the problem, David Dein needs to be partitioned back by the fans for us to pick up the right players at the right price like we used to. I dont agree with everything above but it RVP leaves it will be down to what youve said, just like why Fab left. Why keep Chamakh when hes going to the African cup, sell him Bendtner and Arshavin and you have Gotze price tag almost in the bag. We wont though Jan will be a disappointment and RVP will no doubt leave, frustrating. But i will never change my view on the club or ever stop supporting them.

  27. Mandy dodd

    Dec 13, 2011, 21:29 #15948

    Thanks canada g! Interesting article, enjoyed reading it. Since I have supported arsenal, it seems we have always been inclined to let top players go without immediate like for like quality replacements. Out Brady, Stapleton, George, mclintock, Anderson, in Hawley and hankin, not to even mention more recent losses and replacements. Our board have always been untra cautious on the money front, you cannot for instance imagine the likes of ken friar pushing to bring in an expensive superstar. Our manager to a degree seems cut from the same cloth, he makes superstars, does not buy them. Some believe dein could cajole him to abandon his cautious instincts. Yes all this can be frustrating for supporters, as was last summer, maybe frustrating for players as well. Wenger believes in marathons, not sprints, he is steeped in Japanese philosophy. Maybe the board have told him to be more urgent. If the recent alex Flynn based article is true, the present board may to a large degree depart in the spring, to be replaced by less cautious individuals. As I say, supporting this team has its frustrations. Some believe the stadium and a dein less board have given wenger too much of a free hand. I do not know the answer to these conundrums, nor do I know what the club did last summer. Are we hit by lack of money, lack of ambition from the board or manager, wage caps, dithering, players wanting to move elsewhere and not sign for us, did wenger hold out to keep nasri even to lose him for nothing as he could not be replaced on our wages, did wenger believe barca would not be able to raise the money for cesc, knowing he would turn down bids from citeh, Chelsea and real of £45m, who knows? But for those who blame wenger for showing lack of ambition, remember this sort of thing was going on well before wenger. Maybe wenger could have forced the boards hand more, maybe he needed the likes of dein to do so, who knows. But whatever happened last summer, to me , this team looks more solid than it has for a while, despite losing out three best creative mfs. Some of the signings have done very well, I also thing there is more to come from them. I am of the belief that wenger punches above his weight considering the hand he is dealt, lack of ambition, the club have shown it historically. Maube the stadium will change this. But all that aside, this team are doing well and deserve our backing, wherever you lie on the spectrum of goonerdom.

  28. Naz

    Dec 13, 2011, 21:17 #15947

    @ Canada gooner. The only reason why you dont consider your criticism to be negative is because you agree with it. Now after administrating some criticism yourself your on the receiving end of your own injustice. I agree to a large extent with your criticisms, I think it is ridiculous that having an opinion about improvements in the way the club is run means your not an Arsenal fan to some people. Whats more I cant understand why people think we dont have any money, the board announced they had all the money in the world at the start of last summer. Now it suits them well for everyone to think arsenal is broke, so we dont question the lack of spending on key players. Whats more I dont understand it from the boards end, the greater success achieved on the pitch the greater the commercial revenues, the greater long term profit prospects. Success truly brings more success. Perhaps I am incredibly wrong and Wenger and the board, believe this is a squad capable of challenging for the CL trophy and PL title, but I think not. Its a dangerous business strategy o just sit still, if you dont try to move forward you inevitably start going backwards. As a fan I dream of seeing us dominate like Barca has done, be the undisputed best club in the world, I dont expect to see these dreams realised, but I wish we had a board that felt the same way as I did and could see the profit potential if such ambitions are realised. But yes the team is playing well, Wenger has seemed to achieve a solid mentality that has been lacking. I hope so much that this team keeps playing so well and we get back up where we belong (not fourth... first). I hope Wenger buys a really awesome forward/attackin mid/left winger in Jan... I hope we avoid another RVP injury and the traditional late season collapse. I highly doubt all this happening, but I hope and will always do so.

  29. Gee

    Dec 13, 2011, 20:15 #15946

    In the seasons where we were successful in terms of trophy count David Dein was the man on the board who made sure we had a winning team on the pitch regardless of what the board thought. He was the driving force behind many a purchase and he made it his mission to ensure we had a winning team. Now we have a pretty much redundant board with the bumbling Hill-Wood and the outdated Friar, Keswick and HArris. Gazidis and his execs run the club now. However they are good administrators and nothing more, they care only about the balance sheet and revenues. They will not tell Wenger to spend the money available, whereas Dein was always driving to improve the squad. Dein would never have allowed this summer to drift. Mata would have been signed and sealed alot earlier. No way on earth were Mertesacker, Arteta, PArk and Santos our primary targets. They were desperate late purchases as they allowed other targets to go elsewhere with weak negotiating and dithering

  30. CanadaGooner

    Dec 13, 2011, 19:31 #15945

    @Harold - finally someone who pays attention. isnt it funny that some fools have come on here to label me as 'negative'? I've spent weeks on end condemning how negative this site is, and I still believe fans must support a team 100% when the season is ongoing and I'm 100% behing the team + wenger right to the end of the season. But ahead of the January transfer window I felt it was fair to examine how we got it so wrong last summer and prior. But alas! some fools have decided that's simply a topic not to be touched and I'm now an arsenal hater! ha ha. very funny indeed I've been reading Mandy Dodd's comments for weeks and I know she's smart enough to understand my points and whether she agrees or disagrees, her comments will be factual, intelligent and will be 100% for arsenal as always

  31. Harold

    Dec 13, 2011, 18:57 #15944

    Canada Gooner- Are you trying to get yourself a bad boy reputation? After weeks of happy-clappy blind optimism we suddenly get a mad rant against the club. Be careful, Mandy Dodd will stop talking to you. Of course, you stop short of blaming Wenger, in fact you don't blame anyone directly but do you really believe that Wenger takes orders from Gazidis re our transfer policy? Gazidis was Wenger's choice as MD and Kroenke has only owned the club a few months. Arsenal have a very manageable mortgage at a low interest rate and still have property money coming in to compensate for the relatively low commercial revenue. We have no financial problems, and so there are no reasons why we should make yet another transfer profit this summer when we lost 2 of our best players that needed replacing with equally high quality, especially after the disgrace of last season. Wenger is all powerful at the club and you can try and spread the blame if you like but if he didn't get his way and his principles were compromised, he would walk away. The lines in the sand that he draws are unneccessary but there is no-one at the club to tell him he's wrong, and press and angry fans are dismissed as trouble makers. Maybe history will judge his last few years at the club more kindly, but right now he irritates the hell out of me.

  32. Andrew Cohen

    Dec 13, 2011, 18:38 #15943

    Spot on. There are some really good responses to this article (for and against), and the problem is on one level immensly complex. On another it's quite simple. Arsene Wenger isn't infallible. He makes mistakes. Much of what he does he does well, but there needs to be someone there to stop him when he's doing something daft. For example. We have a good goalkeeper. The only reason he is in goal is because others got injured / stank the place out. Wenger could not spot that he was our first choice goalkeeper. Lots of others could see that he was. We have no back up if that goalkeeper gets injured. Should we complain that we have no back up or meekly (and silently)trust in Arsene? A person who doesn't know all the answers but won't get help with what he doesn't know is a liability if not corrected. The present run will unravel if one or possibly two of our key players get injured. Goalkeeper, Vermalen, Song, RVP. We need to buy sensibly in January. We don't need to be very rich kids to win. We are in fact rich kids. We have recruiting and organisational problems. Let's fix them, or is that sentiment Arsene hating heresy?

  33. ppp

    Dec 13, 2011, 17:49 #15942

    whoever write this article is either an idiot or a spurs fan - or both! Haven't you been watching the football this season?? The new Arsenal side looks good you fairweather fool. Get behind the team and stop you ridiculous and embarassing moaning!!

  34. Josh

    Dec 13, 2011, 17:44 #15941

    I think it is more of a case of arsenal deciding to run their club in a sustainable way, exiting young players with bags of potential. I would much rather have or club competing the way it does than paying Uuu rediculus prices for over rated players.

  35. James

    Dec 13, 2011, 17:37 #15940

    Spot one. Wenger will do **** all in January. He is always behind the curve. Van Persie will get injured and the team will fall to pieces as always and Wenger will come up with his usual daft excuses. How ****ing lucky is he that Van Persie is in such form, without him we'd be screwed. Wenger's neck always manages to dodge the chopping block, because he never goes far enough in making the team ultra-competitive. Even when we won things he rested on his laurels, unlike Alex Ferguson who was brutal and had a winners mentality Wenger could only dream of.

  36. win AFC

    Dec 13, 2011, 17:35 #15939

    @canadagooner Good comment i agree. But you never know we might still win a trophy this season? GO GO GUNNERS.

  37. CanadaGooner

    Dec 13, 2011, 16:53 #15938

    @Ozil - they can grow all the balls they want and get better: question is: will they stay? I'm sure Ashely Cole has won some trophies since he left and arsenal havent. I'm sure Fabregas will win some at Barca while we're still waiting for youth to grow. You think RVP isnt clever enough to think about that? even the likes of clichy, nasri, toure and others now probably have a better chance at winning a trophy. The simple fact is that you can nuture youth all you want, if you dont win anything, they will leave (if not for that, they will leave for the money). so, back to the drawing board? (nuture some more like the feeder team we're fast becoming?) Wenger is and was a visionary, but unfortunately, today's reality (with the billionaire owners etc) makes his vision a little stale. He needs to adapt and all will be well

  38. CanadaGooner

    Dec 13, 2011, 16:40 #15937

    ha ha! I have to laugh at posts from 'ed enough' and a few others. Myself and a handful of others are the only few anti-negativity commentators on this site and now I'm being accused of being negative? very funny. Criticism is good and necessary, when it isnt 'blind criticism' e.g. WENGER MUST GO (when? now?) or slagging off our key players while the season is ongoing. Criticizing the system that has left us with ZERO trophies in 6 years and a bunch of players that are so heavily reliant on RVP, when we pay out so much each week, is a timely criticism as we approach another transfer window. Arsenal needs to go back to proper scouting and keeping a lid on our plans and working out which players to buy way in advance, and if they turn out to be unknowns, at least we know they havent paid the scout thousands of pounds for a trip on the tube down to west london to buy benayoun. And this is no criticism of Benayoun as a player, but the system that gets us to a last day panic buy(s). A lot of folks on here have just read a line or two and then post whatever springs to mind. I am totally against blind criticism of the manager, especially by ignorant pundits and press. But some more thought does need to go to how we prep for each transfer window or we will not win anything for several more years. If this is construed as negative or unlike a supporter, then one would have to question the level of intelligence on here.

  39. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 13, 2011, 16:34 #15936

    There are always some good interesting posts on here worth reading no matter if you agree with them or not this one is not.Why ? its simply because you have wasted all our time as well as your own telling us something we all already know and have done for quite a while.

  40. Ozil

    Dec 13, 2011, 16:20 #15935

    "Arsenal has become a club that lacks foresight: did Wenger think the same group of lads who collapsed following our tame capitulation to Birmingham at Wembley would have suddenly grown some balls over the summer to somehow challenge in the league in 2011-12" Did you not think so? Strange. Do you not think that young talented players cannot grow some balls over a year or 2? Look back at that squad you that lost CC, at what level they're playing now? Fab's level is hugely improved now that he's 24, you would say because he's at Barca? then, look Theo's and song's exponential improvements this year coz they're older. And what about Kos, Chezz? In addition to that lot we have now a fit and fighting verm and Van persie? Now you see that our young less talented players improved a lot I have no doubts that with Fab and Nas in this team we'd much better team than last season. Don't talk about ambition or lack of it at Arsenal you can only be ambitious as your wallet permits. Arsenal have ambitions but cannot go and spend huge amoounts of money on quality players like city, chelsea or even man u. and They're not stupid to spend money on average players a la Liverpool. It's strange how you don't offer any substantiated argument but just the usual assumptions thrown out by lazy writers.

  41. smee

    Dec 13, 2011, 15:54 #15934

    Big Dunc I have supported this club through thick and thin. As an old git, I have been around for some thin times(lol). I have never stopped supporting the club and never will do. Does this mean i cant have any oppinions and certainly not allowed to express them. I have said things on here which can be regarded as negative, But i will be a commited gooner till i pop my clogs.

  42. Conor

    Dec 13, 2011, 15:01 #15933

    Supporters like you nearly got wenger kicked out, look at the bigger picture, id much rather be in the position we are in now than be a liverpool supporter watching their team capitulate, be taken over by a club icon who buys carrol for £35m and henderson for £16m. at least wengers got a brain unlike you!

  43. neville thompson

    Dec 13, 2011, 14:50 #15932

    The wage structure is a mess. But its because we pay mediore players big money. Bendtner, Almunia, Denilson, even Diaby, players earning 50 grand a week or more, who are difficult to sell on because noone's daft enough to pay them that much. JUST IMAGINE THESE GUYS EARN MORE THAN MODRIC. Look at the wage bill, for a club that's supposedly tight our output is pretty high.

  44. DJM

    Dec 13, 2011, 14:42 #15931

    It would appear that only Wenger did not k now that Nasri & Fabregas would leave!!!!Did their form over latter part of last season not give a clue.If Wenger was running a Corp,as I have done in the past,he would have been fired for lack of forward planning.

  45. Mark

    Dec 13, 2011, 14:33 #15930

    chelsea showed their mettle. i maintain we have the 6th or 7th strongest squad this year so lets see if we punch above our seeding. i still think not. its gets much harder hereon in and i think wed hv more chance if we added 2 more senior peformers in jan. Is Diaby still on the beach ?

  46. Dan h

    Dec 13, 2011, 14:28 #15929

    We seem to target players who have around 12-18 months left on their contracts as we believe we can drive down any transfer fee.We refuse to pay the going rate for players of higher quality i can't see us paying anything near what is quoted for the likes of Hazard,Goetze etc or any player above £15m we have the money but not the ambition.Sometimes what can seem expensive works out cheaper in the end our lack of really going all out for the players we really want has meant us settling for the cheaper option.Mertesacker,Gervinho were targeted because of their contracts running down Santos because of Fenerbache having to sell.Cahill we thought Bolton would also cave in due to his contract expiring.AA before that at Zenit & look at how we haggled all that january to get the price down & the following season playing without a forward for weeks on end because Chamakh was coming on a bosman!Podolski has been mentioned as we need another striker contract running out can play all accross the front line he ticks all the right boxes but will we pay the going rate?Kalou from Chelsea who can also play along the front becomes a bosman in the summer who do you think we are more likely to go for as he is also being touted about?Arsenal can pay better wages when they choose Henry & Fabregas were on massive money before they left for Spain.Arteta who has helped steady the ship took a cut in wages to join us & as the deal was done so late in the window there was no time for negotiations so you can see a policy of sorts a very flawed one!We can only hope that we learn from the summer of 2011 if not we may not get so lucky next time.

  47. Fox

    Dec 13, 2011, 14:26 #15928

    Please follow this logical sequence: 1. Arsenal owe a lot of money for the stadium. 2. Arsenal therefore can not throw money around. 3. Finishing in the top 4 is critical to sustain even where we are now. 4. By waiting until late in the window we probably got £10m more for Fabregas and Nasri and saved £5m on the incomers. Total £15m. 5. Once again Wenger has made a silk purse out of a sow's ear by expertly coaching a bunch of kids, journeymen, has-beens and crocks to an 8 match league unbeaten run and top of a very hard CL group. Incredible stuff! 6. Expecting anything more is unrealistic. If that is not good enough for you then suggest you reappraise the team you claim to support.

  48. andyanastaz

    Dec 13, 2011, 14:22 #15927

    What a ridiculous article, Flamini was never good enough as were many others and I didn't realise we had made it to the Q-Finals of the Champions League yet? Don't you realise we can't compete with Man City, Chelsea and other european clubs financially! No one could have foreseen that we would lose our best player from last season for 5/6 months. Yes I agree that business was done really late despite the promises, which has totally thrown our season, yet the team has come back and shown great spirit something that we lacked in all the past teams. This time last season people moaned about goalkeepers, central defenders and defensive midfielders. We now wouldn't replace Szczesny, have four decent central defenders and one top class defensive midfielder with an emerging backup. Gervinho is better and less selfish than Nasri in the wide position and Theo is producing his best form. What we lack is a creative midfielder and a back up to RVP (who has one of those?). Sunday will be the real test of our progress and I am getting behind my team win, lose or draw!!

  49. Wayne King

    Dec 13, 2011, 14:07 #15926

    Benayoun was clearly backup to our young midfielders who are already kicking ass and only going to get better. I mean Wilshere, Ramsey & Song - class midfield right there. And you have the likes of Coquelin & Frimpong on their way up too. Gervinho was a great buy and is great on the wing. Been really impressed by Walcott this season and his partnership with RVP. And again Miyachi and Chamberlain look like ones for the future. Our defense when not injury ravaged is pretty good. And we have one of the best young keepers in the world in Szczesny! And while i'd love to see the likes of Gotze, Podolski & Vertonghen join in Jan to reinforce our team the truth is we already have an amazing young team that's been doing well despite lots of good players being out. So how about getting behind them for christ sake. Arsenals plan for the future is developing right in front of your eyes!

  50. Northbanksy

    Dec 13, 2011, 14:02 #15925

    CG...I think you make some fair points but there are important issues that you have overlooked. First, both Chelsea & Liverpool have spent far more over the last 2 transfer windows & are hardly currently better off than Arsenal.Most Gooners would have been purring at the signing of Torres or Mata.However, though big spending might give the appearance of ambition it clearly doesn't guarantee success. Second, for the youth policy to have any point, the young players must be given a chance to play first team football & if necessary make mistakes doing so. By buying in established players that expect to start every EPL game this is never going to happen. We have some amazing tallent & for that to develop they have to play. You're entitled to your opinion of Benayoun but I think you're being unfair. He's a class player with a lot of top level Premier League experience.It's not just about how they kick the ball (& he kicks it pretty well), but also how they influence the rest of the squad, on & off the pitch. As for the rest of the summer signings I think they're doing really well, for "nobodys" that many wrote off before they kicked a ball. Oh, as for Flamini...we failed to keep him because like Nasri, he was a gold digger.

  51. Naz

    Dec 13, 2011, 14:00 #15924

    Some people are insane. The only thing people are negative for is because they have a desire for progress. Because they have ambition for the club they love and want to express those concerns and ideas. Criticism should be encouraged and debated because inevitably if listened to, it will enlighten. So when people bemoan fourth position ambitions for yet another season, and perceived daft decisions or ineptitude its because they dream of titles, because they love arsenal more than anyone in it, or anyone else supporting it for that matter. When the team is playing we are all behind them all craving victory and glory, being unhappy when that glory is denied is perfectly acceptable. Arsenal is bigger than Wenger, bigger than RVP, bigger than the board, and bigger then Kroenke and and hence none are beyond criticism. I want Arsenal to have the glory and pride, it deserves and to take its place amongst the top clubs in history, the things that hinder this happening I will bemoan until the end of time. If the glass is always looked at as half full, why fill it? Anyways on to lighter notes... I feel that we should try Arshavin out as a central attacking midfielder. I cant help feeling that hes lost huge amounts of pace over the past year (watch replays of that liverpool game and he used to be rapid!) and has hence lost the ability to beat a man down the wing. But he can still be fiddly just in front of the centre backs and pick a pass. Funnily enough if we look at the positions we seem to be short of quality at (striker, left wing and attakin mid) one player can play all these positions and play them well: Tevez (never ever coming, I know! but i can dream). What about a second striker, since ive lost all hope in chamakh. Any available quality strikers people can think of at a reasonable price? (Probably no new signings coming in Jan, but its fun to dream that we have a board half interested in titles and the pride of the club).

  52. Big Dunc

    Dec 13, 2011, 13:58 #15923

    I'm sooooo bored of this site! I took a break for a few weeks but it's full of the same rubbish stories... Everyone knows how to run a Club better than those who do it, you have to be AKB or AMG to count and it's full of negativity. I know everyone is entitled to have an opinion but jesus... Support the Club through thick and thin or jog on!

  53. Rocky RIP

    Dec 13, 2011, 13:55 #15922

    The Summer was a shambles and the jury may be out on certain signings, but I'm not sure why you focus on Yossi B. He's a good squad addition. Do you not think Arteta and Gervinho are excellent signings, to say nothing of The Ox? If Gervinho can sharpen up a few areas of his game, such as his composure in front of goal, we have one hell of a player on our hands. Players such as Bobby Pires came in to little fanfare and were underwhelming at first, but anyone with a brain could see the talent. Arsenal have so rarely bought ready made world class stars off the shelf. Dennis being a rare example. Proven players at reasonable rates like Sol are a rarity. Even TH14 was fairly low key/unconvincing when we signed him. We made him the player he was. It's how we do it. Even whilst winning doubles and going unbeaten, our signings at the time weren't marquee signings. You surely don't expect that to change? Although I agree it would be hearteningly to make a pulse racing purchase this jan, for a change. Hazard and Gotze? At best it'll be the 'medium range'aquisition we are used to.

  54. Afro Gunner

    Dec 13, 2011, 13:55 #15921

    De Gea 21m - Szecny groomed Clichy 7mil - Clichy groomed Kun Aguero 40mil - van Persie 7mil Cahill 22mil - Vermalean 10mil etc --------------------------- Captains Benayoun Rosicky Vermalean Ramsey Park Chamakh van Persie Are they not top performers international or you place value on the negotiated price rather than performance

  55. Judge Fred

    Dec 13, 2011, 13:54 #15920

    Quite rightly some supporters are worried about what may happen in the new year. We lose Chamakh and Gervinho in Jan and (possibly) Feb, and then what? What if RvP gets an injury - are we prepared? Every successful club needs 4 strikers on their books. All the other top Prem teams have 4 strikers. In January, we will have only RvP and Park....and still Wenger will claim the squad is strong enough. Finally, just because a fan may have a negative view of something, doesnt mean they support the club any less than the AKB's.

  56. John

    Dec 13, 2011, 13:51 #15919

    It's alright all these people getting on you're back now but if we don't win anything for a 7th consecutive year then we are in trouble. Ok, one of our own was the answer to the ongoing Fabregas and Nasri question, but if we lose Robin as well we can't gamble we've got another one in the pack. Wenger needs to make sure that these players have a reason to stay. That isn't negativity, that is positivity. Looking for an excuse to be better and move forward. Its going well, but in modern football, 'well' isn't always good enough.

  57. steve

    Dec 13, 2011, 13:45 #15918

    Completely insane. Call yourself a supporter? I think that we have got one of the best spines in the league and look at how much we paid for it. Van Persie, Song, Vermalen and the polish wonderboy. we have not had a spine like that in a long time. Now look at Theo, playing the best he has ever played, Gervinio still needs a liitle bit of time. Arteta has been a great addition to the team and will only grow in stature. Sangna (when he is back) is one of the best right backs in the world. Koschelny has been a great back up when he has played. The 6 ft 6 german giant i will admit had a SHOCKING start to the season but since he has been put in with vermalen he has come on leaps and bounds, also not forgetting that any person that has got over 70 caps for germany cant be too bad. Then we have the right backs. Gibbs (mr Glass) when he does play he is great. but we have a brazilian international that stands in for him. we all know that brazilians are not the greatest defenders but is he any worse that cliche? looking at the man city v chelsea game yesterday, i really dont think so. I Really think that we will struggle with the league this season but i can definately see us finish in the top 4. I am an avid supporter and have faith in the team that we have. You all need to keep your chins up. it will work out. you will see. Thanks for reading guys. Have a good day.

  58. Musselman

    Dec 13, 2011, 13:41 #15917

    Some valid points here and there but all I hear is whinge whinge whinge... Exactly what the doctor did not order. Next...

  59. Mark from Ashtead

    Dec 13, 2011, 13:32 #15916

    Hear your pain and passion, and agree that there's a general question to ask regarding ambition. Can't accept your specific rant about Yossi though as a. he's manifestly a class player who always puts a shift in, b. can play in offensive and defensive roles, c. is apparently as good off the pitch in using his experience to help our youngsters and d. with players like him, plus Per, Arteta etc we would certainly have had the Carling Cup in the trophy cabinet, and may even have gor over the line in the league race during the season where we sadly lost Eduardo to injury. I for one don't care if we got here somewhst accidently. For me the team is slowly transforming, with the much needed addition of more experience and nous. I do however agree that AW needs to break habit of a lifetime and speculate to accumulate (a bit) during January, although I (like you) won't necessarily be holding my breath on that (I'd like to see Gotze and/or hazrd, plus a CF, and yes I know I'm dreaming...!)

  60. ed enough

    Dec 13, 2011, 13:30 #15915

    Not sure why you bother supporting Arsenal mate....You clearly hate everything and everyone connected to the club...so my advice to you is...JOG ON!!!!

  61. Simon

    Dec 13, 2011, 13:13 #15914

    Yet more moaning. Give it a rest, the job Wenger has done rebuilding the team in a short space of time has been remarkable. The reason we waited till the end if the window is pretty obvious. Look what happened when we had a deal agreed for Mata?

  62. Jekyll

    Dec 13, 2011, 13:10 #15913

    I think there was a plan though, and it was Wenger's youth project. For example, Flamini was replaced with Denilson. When we lost 3 defensive midfielders in 6 months in 2008 none of them replaced because Wenger wanted to replace them with young players he was nurturing. We all saw the consequences of that and they reached their apotheosis in the summer and the start of the season, leading to the panic buys. But of course, not of a quality that would mean a hefty profit wasn't once again made. Basically the plan for Wenger is/was to 'grow a team together' which as you have stated, is naive in the extreme. The plan for the board/Kroenke is to finish in the top 4 and make a profit in the transfer market in each year. Wenger's been doing that for them whilst trying to realise his own private ambition, that's why they love him so much.

  63. Deecee

    Dec 13, 2011, 13:09 #15912

    All very fine arguments but article seems to fail to recognise the reality of the Prem situation for most clubs without millionaire backers who can pour in unlimited cash that, even then, does not guarantee trophy success. The miracle is what Wenger has done without huge cash gifts and on a decent, sane wages policy. The long term policy would seem to be to continue playing the best possible football with the best affordable players and also remain a successful business while paying off the stadium loans. That may not deliver the longed-for trophies but is a viable business plan. There do not seem to be many alternatives when you watch the performances of Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea whose huge money backers may or may not bring success.

  64. Ron

    Dec 13, 2011, 13:01 #15911

    Arsenal cant buy the top level, top marque players. Youre quite right. Arsenal dont have the same ambition as Man City or Utd or Chelsea even or at least they might have, but the intensity of the ambition is diluted by cash constraints and hence reality. Like it or not, our place in the Sun under Wenger between 1997 and 2004 has gone and isnt coming back unless we go down the owner/plaything route. Get real. Arsenal have to be pragmatic now. There isnt a defined long term plan other than to be competitive with what theyve got. The image of the Club with the grand stadium and grandtraditions has duped the modern day fan into thinking we can challenge every season for the title and the CL. We cant and more so, if you check our history we never have. Our purple patches of success come in little bursts. Nothings going to change in the short term. Live with it fella. Most of us sre doing so who get to the games, though we share some of your frustrations.

  65. Akira3333

    Dec 13, 2011, 12:51 #15910

    Agreat article...but because Arsenal are winning at the moment- youll get slaughteredd for it...but your article is all true- come the end of the season it will be trophyless....5 mediocre signings,,,,there where players that couldve been bought.....Cahill, Samba, Parker, Ashley Young, Phil Jones, Hazard, Mata refused to join us, we didnt even put a bid for that Dutch winger Elia....Arsenal are just a ridiculouly run club....we struggle to win home games..thats a disgrace- I cant rememberthe last time we played well at the Emirates- think its well over a year and a half....

  66. Tony Evans

    Dec 13, 2011, 12:49 #15909

    Top stuff Canada - I agree entirely. This blame game that we all seem to play - is it Wenger's fault or Gazedis or Kronke or whoever is masking the real issue which is Arsenal failing for whatever reason to make the step up from nearly men to the finished article. I wouldn't mind so much if it appeared that Arsenal were trying. I know some fans will say we can't compete with the big spenders but that does not mean that we have to persist with the likes of Bendtner, Diaby, Almunia etc, etc and it also does not mean that we can not afford better players than some of the dross we have on the books, and have had for more years than I care to remember. Therein lies the biggest issue for Gooners like me and many others. We have been so close for so long and when I look back at some of the recent seasons gone by all I see is a wasted opportunity and a virtual gift wrapping of the games top prizes to other clubs by not investing in talent properly and giving under-performing players long, lucrative contracts and keeping them well past their sell by date.

  67. Peter

    Dec 13, 2011, 12:48 #15908

    The only logical answer is: TOTAL NEGATIVITY

  68. arsenal1234

    Dec 13, 2011, 12:46 #15907

    What?? How can you write this with the form we are in? Arsenal will beat man city and show 'supporters' like you what you really are. Take a long hard look at yourself and ask why it is you support arsenal. The teams togetherness this season hasn't been seen in years. Not to mention the mighty Wilshere is still to play. Clueless.com

  69. Glad Gunner

    Dec 13, 2011, 12:37 #15906

    Apart from Oxlade-Chamberlain and Benayoun we also signed Arteta, Gervinho, Park, Santos, Mertesacker and Jenkinson!

  70. CB

    Dec 13, 2011, 12:35 #15905

    Too negative again, Online Gooner. Benayoun is exactly the sort of experience that we need as back-up, and he is exactly that. Perhaps there is a plan and they just haven't told you, hence you not seeing it. And perhaps in real life you have to adapt plans as time goes on, which we have seen evidence of.

  71. Robin

    Dec 13, 2011, 12:28 #15904

    Learn to respect first of all. You're an Arsenal supporter, first and foremost get behind the side you support and give them the respect they deserve. Benayoun plays for our club, he has done very well in the few opportunities he's been given so instead of moaning like a gloryhunter, back him and back the club.