No shows and never gos

Buying an option on the use of a seat



No shows and never gos

Paid for but not used…


In the Highbury days, I recall that at certain times of year – specifically, August and the Christmas period – it was noticeable that there were empty seats in the stadium. Not masses, but more than normal. These days, things have changed. There are always empty seats at Arsenal home games. Naturally, when the club upped sticks, an extra 22,000 people were able to attend matches, including a significant number paying the kind of prices only touts would dare to charge at Highbury (aside from the Clock End boxes and a limited number of ‘VIP packages’ that involved some food and drink before taking a seat in the ordinary stands).

Even when it is Barcelona or Manchester United in opposition, there are always some seats not taken. It is interesting to note that in club level – where many of the seats are sold to businesses – there are often more spaces at weekend matches than in midweeks. Such is the nature of hospitality. It is easier to get people along after a day at work than it is to get them to interrupt their weekends for a match they might not care greatly about. So if they are only here for the beer (and wine and prawn sandwiches) fed to them to butter them up, it’s little wonder that the atmosphere in the middle tier is rather on the polite side – even when it is close to full.

I was intrigued to hear a couple of months back that there are something like 400 season ticket holders in both club level and the ordinary seats that use their tickets only once or never each season. For those in club level, this means paying between £2,500 and £5,000 (not the exact figures, but around this) for one match, or if they never use it, the option of attending a match.

And although there are season ticket holders less guilty, there are still a large number that treat their places in the same way. It is an option to attend, a choice, and they often choose not to. It’s a mentality I associate with people with more money than they sensibly know what to do with, although I am sure this is not always the case. Either way, what they have bought may be a season ticket, but what they regard it as is an option. Something they might do if they feel like it. If that is their attitude, then if they at least bother to sell their ticket on the club’s ticket exchange or sort someone else to use their seat, then that is better than just leaving their place empty, but I suspect many do not bother to do this. The money is spent, the seat paid for. They don’t see it as throwing money away in their minds.

And although financially, the club only suffer from the add-ons the non-attendees do not spend their money on – drinks, food, club shop spending – ultimately, the seat is sold and the cash banked. It is not a priority for Arsenal, it just doesn’t look good.

The club took the decision to stop announcing official attendances – i.e. seats sold – at the end of last season. Partly because the use of the word ‘attendance’ when making the announcement was making a mockery of the word, partly because of what happened at the poorly-attended Aston Villa game last season. The crowd figure on the PA provided the catalyst for some abusive chanting from a large number of those that bothered to turn up to a home defeat that ended in an ignominious ‘lap of appreciation’ that was very awkward for everybody involved.

I suspect that if the club were to be more successful on the pitch, the problem of the no-shows would lessen a little, but I am convinced it is not going to go away. The culture of attending football matches has changed for many of those that now hold season tickets, and I don’t see it being turned around easily by anything the club attempt. It’s a damned shame, but something we will have to get used to.


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  1. Ron

    Apr 10, 2012, 12:06 #21034

    Ticket exchange needs to be altered to allow Club level seat holders sell at a price they find acceptable and not the price fixed by Arsenal. If they want to sell a seat for a tenner they shd be allowed to do so. People wont pay 75 to 90 quid to watch wolves blackburn bolton and wigan on a Monday night in January Additionally they cant sell them for CL games. Its barmy. The whole cost of football is mental anyway. The end of it is on the horizon im sure though. The quality of football is dropping like a stone. The TV fueled gravy train is creaking. Ive been going for 40 odd years but have now 'retired' from going. Those who want to carry on paying the wages of the Diaby's et al at the level they are at must be borderline certifiable to be truthful and Arsenal since that Stadium move are taking the p--s big time.They would sooner spend oodles of cash improving bars and restuarants to allow them to justify repeatedly uplifted Season ticket and Club Level prices rather than giving less focus on that rubbish and more focus on getting bums on seats at reasonable prices (and keeping those prices down) Many Club Level seat holders dont buy the drinks and dont eat the crap disgustingly priced food.

  2. Jock gooner

    Apr 09, 2012, 21:38 #21006

    Bumms on seats, with respect why are the club going to impose an attendance clause - they have the money in the bank and dont care if you turn up. I love all these passionate ideas but the club do not give a !!!!

  3. Rocky RIP

    Apr 09, 2012, 19:21 #20997

    HowardL - it's the attitude of some 'supporters' to not bother with the 'non games' that pervades the whole mindset of the club and is our downfall. Beat the big guns, everyone is up for it, high intensity games, etc. Slip up against QPR, Fulham, Swansea, etc. Everyone needs to be switched on, have the right attitude, focussed and pumped up for every game. They all offer 3 points, so is NO SUCH THING AS A NON GAME. Offering big time charlies access to box office games only stinks. It allows the sort of fans that made it to Paris in 2006 access to a game they had no right to be at. Many Arsenal fans had waited a lifetime for that, but were denied by people who could afford it. (The same people won't have lost sleep and just went back to other modes of entertainment the next week.)

  4. HowardL

    Apr 09, 2012, 9:20 #20964

    There are so many "non-games" (though I know that we lose or draw some of those these days) that it must be a practical solution for some to buy a ticket with the intention of only attending the around 6 games + Euros. One solution would be for people to be able to use the ticket exchange type facility to electronically allow their seat to be re-sold right up to kick-off and then receive a proportion (say 50%) of the value. Not sure the safety police would allow it, however.

  5. Simon Timothy

    Apr 09, 2012, 8:35 #20963

    I have every sympathy with your view, but thank you for acknowledging that some "no-shows" have a little more sense than money. I live in Aberdeen purely because of work and was on the waiting list for a season ticket long before I moved up here. When the chance to buy one came along I did wonder if it was fair or sensible considering I could make possibly 6 to 8 games this season. In the end, as I am lucky enough to be able to afford it, I bought the ticket - the possibility of another few years of waiting was too much of an ask. I have used the ticket exchange with little success and we are all aware of the possible fate should we "dare" sell them on to friends! I hate seeing empty seats but until the club take a more enlightened view on "re-selling " tickets, this will always be an issue.

  6. Andrew Cohen

    Apr 08, 2012, 9:03 #20961

    I can see why some think that 75% attendance or lose it is a solution, but doesn't it feel a little bit like the supporter being strapped into a high chair, with his bib on, and Arsene Wenger spooning predictably disastrous football into the mouth, as the supporter vainly tries to spit it out. Compulsion is not the answer.

  7. Clockender78

    Apr 07, 2012, 20:30 #20960

    Long distance travel aside, i don't get "fans" who have a season ticket and don't go..i would gladly take it off of your hands and go to every game..bumms on seats, your idea about attending 75% of games isn't a bad one..

  8. Stevesam

    Apr 07, 2012, 15:02 #20959

    The best 'membership' at the moment is Silver, you can pick and choose your games and are almost guaranteed a seat, although not always in the same place. Perhaps the 'Club' should offer those Gold members, who do not wish to attend every game, an option of trading down to Silver to free up more season tickets and avoid empty seats. Alot of Gold members do not want to watch Wigan on a Monday night - Silver members have a choice!

  9. Gooner S

    Apr 07, 2012, 9:43 #20958

    There are many reasons why people can't attend, some of which are covered in the comments to your post. I go with two other season ticket holders and we always try to get our seats filled if we know we can't attend. What I don't understand is that when people do attend they turn up 10 minutes late, they then invariably leave 10 minutes before the end of the first half for a beer, they then pitch up 10 minutes late for the start of the second half and they then attempt to leave the game early, stopping along the way in the aisle. I see the same faces do this every home game. Why? There's a couple that sit directly behind me that regularly leave the game with 20 minutes to go. I was on the tube after the Tottenham game and heard 4 or 5 Arsenal fans saying that they missed our first goal because they was already on their way out of the ground when we were 0-2 down! Why do they bother? @ TheNoise - "if you charge opera prices you get opera fans". Leaving aside the assumption that you can tell what an opera fan looks like, a lot of what I observe is not by what you would consider to be 'Opera Fans'"

  10. mutleythegooner

    Apr 07, 2012, 9:36 #20957

    I have a season ticket in Block 6 but work shifts so can only attend 50% of games or thereabouts. My wife attends the games that I can't make it to. We have a baby due in September so after that she will be unable to take my seat when I have to work. I'll use the ticket exchange if I can but it is likely the seat may be empty at times over the season. I don't want to see my seat empty but I'm not prepared to give it up. Maybe the costs associated with fatherhood will change my mind in the coming years!!

  11. Andrew Cohen

    Apr 07, 2012, 9:20 #20956

    The problem, as highlighted above, is that if you do not buy your season ticket for a year, you lose it forever. This is even if you have a debenture. When the stadium changed, the goalposts were moved in this regard. At Highbury you could not take up your seat every year, so that it could be sold, game by game by the club. So that is one stagnation factor. The other problem, I am afraid, is the gentrification of football through pricing. Quite apart from the fact that paying teenagers telephone numbers spoils them and de motivates them, it will eventually simply kill football. The other pain in the bottom is the endlessly moveable kick off. Chelsea and Spurs will be playing their semi final at the new neasden lavatory facility at 6pm on a Sunday evening. How glorious and wonderful it would be if Daniel and Roman hired the Millennium Stadium and played the game at a time convenient to both clubs and the fans and left the appropriately named F.A. with an empty stadium on Sunday at 6pm. Sadly, they have simply acquiesced to the kick off time, however ridiculous. I'm looking forward to 4am starts for the far eastern tv market. I wonder whether the clubs and the fans will grow a pair then and fight back against this repulsive behaviour. Such a revolt would come as a complete surprise to football's administrators, who live in a cocooned world of expenses and moisturiser. Far away from us.

  12. maguiresbridge gooner

    Apr 06, 2012, 21:05 #20955

    You have a perfect heading to your article frank i know one guy personally who has a season ticket and he goes to three maybe four games a season and he's been doing this for years i could never understand why have a season ticket if your never going to use it i often thought this unfair to people on the list who would make good use of one but couldn't get one.I can understand people moving abroad who don't want to give it up and not get it back but things have changed now tickets have become plentiful with games going to general sale people i know who do put them on ticket exchange cant even get them sold i haven't checked the exchange lately but i'd be surprised if there weren't plenty for the city game although the deadline is probably up now like you said if we would have been more successful in the last four or five years that wouldn't be the case.Although i haven't done it for quite a while and i'm not sure they still do it if your ticket was not going to be used and the exchange not available you could donate it back to the club they in turn donate it to a charity and they use your seat for the game surely better than an empty seat and you got a thank you letter from the club and a poster or the team that was at a time when tickets were hard to come by which is not the case now.

  13. bumms on seats

    Apr 06, 2012, 20:46 #20954

    All the club has to do is introduce a condition on each ST holder that their renewal is subject to review if they don't "attend" 75% of the matches they've paid for (and by that i mean that either they pitch up to the match themselves, or get someone else to do so, whether it be via the club, or even by methods that get fanzine editors in trouble). This will force people who don't attend to at least make sure there's a bum on their seat, or risk losing the ST come renewal time... I hear there's 20000 people on a waiting list for a ST. Of course, the club should then also look very seriously into making it a painless process to allow a ST holder to inform the club that he/she won't be attending a match and thus allow someone else to occupy the seat.

  14. The Noise

    Apr 06, 2012, 17:57 #20952

    You charge opera prices, you get opera fans... Football is reaping what it sows... It decided to rob & mug off it's life long hardcore support by pricing them out... Now they are shocked and horrified when fans don't turn up or just get on the player's backs with their first misplaced pass! Until the greed is gone in football, it will only get worse my friends!

  15. Rocky RIP

    Apr 06, 2012, 17:47 #20951

    I agree with the sentiment of the article, but was expecting some kind of suggestion for a solution to it. Plenty of people still can't make games, so something is clearly wrong if there are people willing to go, but seats sitting empty. My brother gives his away for free rather than leave it empty. I find the attitude of buying a ST and only deigning to turn up once in a while soul destroying and quite frankly disgusting. Similar in some ways to rich people buying holiday homes in rural villages and rarely ever being there. All the while denying a local the chance to live there. It erodes the fabric of supporter bonding/community ties. Treat people like customers and charge top dollar and you get the 'support' you deserve. Half-hearted fans have priced real fans out, they dilute the passion and I seriously wish they'd f off.

  16. StuartL

    Apr 06, 2012, 17:16 #20950

    Fair comment Frank, I agree with a lot of what you have written, however football has changed an awful lot since I had a season ticket back in the late eighties and early nineties, back then most games were on a Saturday afternoon with the odd Sunday one. You could commit to a season ticket knowing that bar 4 or 5 matches it would be Saturdays that were your football days. Nowadays, we have matches virtually every day of the week and at various kick off times over a weekend, so naturally people who have things going on their lives be it family commitments, work, playing sport themselves in teams etc just can't always get to every match, even if they have paid for it in advance. In addition there is always ilnesss, travel problems, etc, etc. The amswer of course as you have already stated is to make sure that any unused seat is passed on to a fellow gooner - through the proper channels and the stadium is as full as possible. For those who buy the corporate seats but fail to attend are clearly "glory hunters" hoping to get cup final tickets or to impress a big client shoudl we ever get back to our previous lofty heights.

  17. Peter Hayhoe

    Apr 06, 2012, 17:02 #20949

    I would dispute that the atmosphere in Club Level is "rather on the polite side". A lot of us have forked out for season tickets there as the only way to get in to every match and Block 47 where I sit has been compared to a bear pit by family members who normally sit in the Lower North and Upper West. I haven't seen a prawn sandwich there in 3 years , but there's always plenty of passion.

  18. Chris66

    Apr 06, 2012, 16:49 #20948

    I am one of the guilty ones, having kept paying for my season ticket since 97 when I moved to the US. Ridiculously I have only been the The Emirates once (0-0 vs Sunderland) and so dare not calculate the real cost over the years. I do so for a reason you don't cover - because if I give the seat up I will never get it back. I have the seat next to my 75 year old Dad who goes to every game. You see it isn't just "seats" but specific seats that keeps us paying. My nephew uses the seat when he can and I live in hope that one day he will take over paying for it (but from what I hear of his school grades it may be a long time). Other times my Dad gives the tickets to the people who sit around him who want to bring young kids to see the Arsenal. I see this as my little bit of bringing on the next generation. Yes I'm lucky to be able to afford to pay for a season ticket for 15 years without using it ut the reasons for doing it are a lot more family related than it seems on the outside.

  19. CanadaGooner

    Apr 06, 2012, 16:15 #20947

    Frank, the club level situation cant be solved. A lot of those seats are corporately owned. At my last 2 jobs in London my employer held 6 club level seats which I used to take clients to the home games, but I also had a personal season's ticket, so for the weekends that my invited guests cancel (and usually ithin short notice) there are 6 empty seats as I sit at my own usual seal; and that happens at least every other game or so, and I'm sure it's the same for some of the other corporately owned seats as you cant pass the tickets on or just hand it out to your mates (or some busy bodies will start moaning at work). so, with the high numbers of corporate seating in club level, there will always be a significant number of empty seats there