Under-rated over the Arsenal

Do Gunners receive the credit they deserve?



Under-rated over the Arsenal

Brady: Was Hoddle as good as him?


During the World Cup (remember that?) we had to put up with a lot. But one of the worst things for me was the Sky advert which showed Eric Cantona, over and over, trying to appear significant and important but actually looking what he is: an overblown, overweight, pompous and over-rated ex-Manc! It got me thinking of all the over-rated players there have been over the years and how many of our players down the years have not been given due credit when compared with them.

I’ll start with the afore-mentioned Mr Cantona, up against our own Dennis Bergkamp.

Cantona is often called the best Man U player of all time and the Premier League’s greatest foreign player (don’t make me laugh, but we have had to put up with this rubbish for years). Where did this myth spring from? Was it from the great success he had at Sheffield Wednesday on trial, Auxerre, Martigues (on loan), Marseille, Bordeaux (on loan) Montpellier (on loan) or Nimes? Don’t think so. Perhaps it was when he moved to Leeds United, playing 35 times, before moving to Manchester United in 1992 for £1.2 million. He played five full seasons at Old Trafford, but just take a close look at their European successes in that time! One would expect such a star to have had an outstanding international career. No, he played just 45 times and had retired by the time France won the World Cup in 1998. Throughout his international career his faulty temperament inhibited his ability to be recognised as a player of true world class.

The main reason I consider that Cantona was lauded so much in his English career was that he was a novelty in this country at that time. At Leeds he was surrounded at home and away with British players who were fundamentally conventional, so his continental skills, arrogance and style of play shone due to their rarity. When he went to Sold Trafford and helped them to win their first title for 26 years, yes 26 years, the Man U-loving media couldn’t get enough of him and the myth was born. Yet he had so many good young players running around for him that he couldn’t fail.

Dennis came to Arsenal in 1995, his third professional club, and stayed for 11 years. He had a great start to his career at Ajax but then made the mistake of going to Inter during the early nineties when Italian football was in one of its periods of “catenaccio”. Dennis was a revelation at Arsenal and helped transform us from a good team into a great one but also added a whole aura of “big time” which enabled Arsène to build on and attract other continental stars. He truly was the start of the revolution, changing boring Arsenal to scoring Arsenal!

As for his playing career, that is something none of us who lived through it will ever forget, and to think he ended his career with us! He truly was a legend and deserves all our gratitude for coming to us, changing other fans’ attitudes to us, and staying until the end. Come back anytime Dennis.

The other example I’ll look at is Glenn Hoddle against Liam Brady. Hoddle really got on my nerves but the English press loved him. I just thought those shorts were obscene! How did he really compare to the truly great Liam Brady? If you listened to the English press, TV and radio at the time you would think Hoddle was the white Pele. He was English though and we all know what a difference that means to our media. So what did he actually achieve at Spurs? They won the FA Cup twice and the UEFA Cup during his twelve years, oh and he was in the team that was relegated in 1977! In France he won the league and cup with Monaco, having been taken there by Arsène, so I suppose he wasn’t all bad! Meanwhile, Liam won the FA Cup in 1979, plus two Serie A titles in Italy, which at the time was the strongest league in the world, while the French league Hoddle played in was not comparable. Anyone who watched Arsenal through the years Brady played for us, 1973-1980, will recall that he, along with Stapleton, O’Leary and Jennings, carried the team, but it was Brady who made everything happen; just watch the 1979 Cup Final to see his influence on the team and a match.

I was living near Leicester in 1979 and was able to see all those third round FA Cup replays with Sheffield Wednesday at Filbert Street; Brady ran all of them. I recall being sat directly behind him when he received a ball on the diagonal between the touchline and the penalty area from a throw in, let it bounce past him as he shielded it with his body and volleyed it into the top far corner. Genius! I could hear the thud as he struck it! Again, at Nottingham Forest, European Cup winners that year, I saw him put a free kick on Stapleton’s head and his countryman did the rest. But what really set Brady apart from other midfield contemporaries was that he could dribble and beat people. He had a body swerve and feint to die for and amazing balance that separated him from the rest; remember the way he rode the tackle from Macari in the ’79 FA Cup Final before the right foot cross onto Stapleton’s head. He never seemed to lose control no matter how hard he was clattered. Yes, Hoddle could pass and shoot but how many times did he go past people before doing so? As a modern comparison David Beckham would be nearer the Hoddle mark, except for the work ethic, while Brady was more of a Messi. More than any other player in my Arsenal-supporting history Brady WAS the team, which is why when he left it took ten years to recover.

He is still revered at Juventus after winning two scudettos as the playmaker and scoring the clinching penalty in the final game of the 1982 season cemented his place in their history. He was so unlucky to be replaced by Platini, but that was the type of player Juve were coveting at that time. He played in Italy for a further seven years, absorbing the culture, language and lifestyle. I admired him for that, especially when you heard how Ian Rush thought Italy was like a foreign country!

Brady of course played for Eire and never got to a major national championship; he also came up against Jack Charlton’s management style, which was more Allardyce than Wenger! So he never got the international recognition he deserved. It’s great that he’s back with us and running the youth side of things.

Hoddle’s international career saw him end up with 53 caps but he never quite found his niche as an England player and went through a series of managers who didn’t really know how to use him to their best advantage. But he was never in the Brady class!

Now, who else could we compare? How about Van Nistelrooy and Thierry?

That really used to annoy me!


NEW! Subscribe to our weekly Gooner Fanzine newsletter for all the latest news, views, and videos from the intelligent voice of Arsenal supporters since 1987.

Please note that we will not share your email address with any 3rd parties.


Article Rating

Leave a comment

Sign-in with your Online Gooner forum login to add your comment. If you do not have a login register here.

26
comments

  1. slj

    May 03, 2012, 17:19 #21871

    Liam is still the best player i have seen at AFC,i watched him home and away on poor pitches, he was never given the credit his talent deserved, Kenny Burns won "footballer of the year" when Liam was the outstanding player by a mile,its all you need to know about the mentality of the press

  2. Pteer Wain

    May 03, 2012, 15:39 #21870

    Hoddle was at his very best an average player with a lack of pace and bottle when things got tough. Great player when you are 5-0 up to a bottom team but unable to perform at the highest level as evidenced by his lack of England career. The french men was fortunate to player in a good side which gave his limited abilities a veneer they did not merit. Again his international career was patchy at best.

  3. Joe

    May 03, 2012, 14:46 #21869

    Great article - bit different and very informative. The same can be said about Zola, he gets mentioned all the time as a great but never lead Chelsea to the title and never performed for Italy. Everyone goes on about his backheel goal v Norwich (then a lower league side) and forget Kanu did it years earlier v Middlesborough. Seems that Robert Pires is another forgotten Arsenal great compared to the likes of Zola, Juninho, Klinsmann

  4. Stevesam

    May 03, 2012, 14:34 #21868

    We as Arsenal supporters can all name our favourite players and pick our top ten, probably dependant on age and era's, they would be slightly different. If you are talking about truly underated players then my top 3 would be, Peter Simpson, Kevin Richardson and Gilberto. None of these 3 got the credit they deserved by the media or other supporters.

  5. Andrew Cohen

    May 03, 2012, 7:46 #21863

    @Dan. I love the Mancs. Always humble and down to earth. AJP Taylor at the end of WWII wrote a pamphlet about occupying British troops and how they might find the Germans. He stated that Germans believe that their rivers are wetter, their mountains higher, and their trees more tree like than any other nation. Manchester United supporters have that same ubermensch quality. Here's the truth. Cantona was a Roy of the Rovers type footballer, who could win a game all on his own. He was also a player who attacked the crowd because he couldn't control himself. Dennis Bergkamp was a brilliant footballer who through subtlty and through throwing the occasional elbow at morons attempting to remove his legs will live long in the hearts of Arsenal fans. I know who I would rather invite round to have tea with my mother, and I know who I would rather have had playing for Arsenal. There were whole seasons where he stunk the place out, but he was a genius, and he loved the club. Keep your Cantona and your rhetoric. If you want Manch players to look up to, Charlton, Law, Sparky and Schmichael fit the bill much more easily.

  6. Joe S.

    May 03, 2012, 4:28 #21862

    Don't agree with everything here unless my memory has left me. In only five years Cantonna left a host of amazing memories to justify his legendary status although why Manc. fans have rated him above George Best in their all time rankings is obscene. Could you imagine GB in this modern era where skillful players are better protected from the leg biters of the late 60's and early 70's such as Peter Storey and Norman Hunter. With the saturated media cover of today Best would be as revered as Messi. As for Berkamp and Brady, they are Arsenal icons so who gives a stuff what others think.

  7. ppp

    May 03, 2012, 1:26 #21860

    Great stuff. Wrighty was easily the best player in the premier league for a while but the majority of scum journalists (both broadsheet and tabloid) considered David Hirst a better player - which was, of course, hilarious. If Henry had played for Liverpool, Man United or Spurs he would already be considered the best player in English football history.

  8. Greg71

    May 02, 2012, 19:43 #21857

    Brady played when the pitches were mud baths thru november to march,and bone hard with no grass to the end of the season,tackling was allowed from any angle and height yet he used to glide with with the ball have a great first touch,deliver pin point passes and score goals ! To see him was a privilege that will never fade,its a shame that brady in his peak didn,t get the exposure that players with half his ability get in the sky age.

  9. DB10 and TH14 - Arsenal's finest

    May 02, 2012, 19:00 #21856

    No, Arsenal have never got the full credit they deserve. The media doesn't trumpet Arsenal or dress them up in sexy football packaging. (A lot of time they are airbrushed out. The Citeh v Yanited game was billed as the biggest in PL history, with words like title decider used. NO MENTION OF ARSENAL CLINCHING THE TITLE AT OLD TRAFFORD IN 2002 IN A BONA FIDA HEAD TO HEAD TITLE DECIDER.) It tends to re-write history unfavourably for them too. For those who want to see Bergkamp's unparalelled first touch, look up 'Bergkamp artistic one touch' on youtube. It doesn't feature perfect examples of moments which highlight this like the goal v Argentina, or the flick to set up Tony Adam's volley v Spurs, but it's still a very good compilation. Much as I love the others, Dennis was our most gifted player. The touch. The vision. The awareness to play the perfect pass on a plate for a lucky onrushing striker (or Freddie!)Legend who doesn't get enough credit along with all things Arsenal in general.

  10. Dennis's first touch

    May 02, 2012, 18:43 #21855

    I genuinely can't name a player with a better first touch. If you can, please let me know.

  11. AugustusCaesar

    May 02, 2012, 17:47 #21853

    My old man purrs about Liam Brady the same way he does about George Eastham (another underrated Gooner perhaps? - I wouldn't know). Brady was a bit before my time but maybe he's a little bit overlooked. He was highly rated obviously and he always looked like he had great poise and balance on the ball but was still able to run quickly with it. Is there something of Brady in Jack Wilshere perhaps? The low-ish centre of gravity, good dribbling ability, good vision and awareness etc. Only some of the older Gooners may be able to confirm that. I remember reading an article about Brady's penalty to win the scudetto for Juve. He already knew at that point he was about to be moved on for Michelle Platini but he behaved with great dignity and professionalism by all accounts and is something of a minor legend in Turin. He did look like a great player. You could make a case for Dennis Bergkamp being underrated only because he was so astonishingly good you can't praise his talent enough, but he's never been overlooked by critics and the media to be fair.

  12. Nick

    May 02, 2012, 16:14 #21850

    Dan you take the biscuit mate , i guess you adore his poetic talent as well , you know seagulls following trawlers and all that, cantona was a very good player yes , but as good as DB10 NEVER, the iceman was in a different league, and quite frankly if cantona had played for anyone else apart from manure he would probably have been banned for life for his antics at selhurst park, which i think he should have been anyway, christ you get a 3match ban for merely talking to the ref after a game these days, Bergkamp was internationly respected while cantona was mocked as being two coupons short of a toaster, and from reading your post i would imagine you are too.

  13. Thomas

    May 02, 2012, 16:13 #21849

    To me Brady is the greatest ever Arsenal player.I say that because of who he had around him.DB10 and TH14 had great players around them.Brady only had O'Leary.Fans who never had to pleasure of seeing Chippy wont realise how much he would dominate games.Sadly he had to leave to achieve winnings titles(sounds familiar).But make no mistake he easily gets into any greatest ever Arsenal team.Cantona great player but i would take Keane and Scholes before him from Utd

  14. Lord Froth

    May 02, 2012, 14:02 #21847

    Dennis Bergkamp has given me some of my greatest memories in football but I am a bit curious about some of your points regarding Dennis and Eric Cantona. Most polls (even including neutrals and fans of other Prem teams) rightly point in favour of Thierry Henry being the greatest ever foreign player in the Premier League and there was even a whole programme on TV a couple of years ago about the 50 greatest foreign players in the prem and Thierry topped that too. Your point about Man U not having European glory when Eric was there also rings true with us. We've had no European glory even when the team was chock full of World class players under Wenger including David Seaman, Tony Adams, Robert Pires etc. I did enjoy your article but I think it might make you look a bit bitter I'm afraid.

  15. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 02, 2012, 13:43 #21845

    Good piece Dave remember brady well and what can anybody say about dennis that hasn't already been said give me them both over hoddle and cantona anyday your right about the media they have their little darlings and very rarely do they include an arsenal player except when it suits them they even have their lovey dovey managers and their nose's have well and truly been put out of joint over that one.You mention brady's dribble and swerve well he's still got it he was walking around the emirates a couple of years ago with his wife while we were waiting for the gates to open and a couple of young lads were kicking a ball about after signing a few autographs he joined in amid the cheers he showed the young lads how to dribble and swerve.What price a twenty seven year old liam brady or dennis bergkamp today.

  16. Mike Walsh

    May 02, 2012, 13:34 #21843

    Van Nistelrooy and Thierry now that really is like comparing a "horse" and a thoroughbred! A great article.

  17. JER

    May 02, 2012, 12:05 #21838

    Chippy is my all time favourite player. If he was playing today, Sky would be drooling over him. It was pathetic how we let him go for the sake of a few quid.

  18. kilkenny cat

    May 02, 2012, 11:56 #21837

    Brady king of Highbury,my boyhood hero,and still the greatest ever in my opinion.Bergkamp is the modern day equivalent. both dominated games and were the hub of the team. both were sorely missed too, as no one in each of their eras were any where near as good. totally irreplaceable and the team suffered for years after.

  19. Gare Kekeke

    May 02, 2012, 11:10 #21836

    Fantastic article Dave. Kudos to you. Agree with you 100% on the Cantona debate. I’m no Man Utd lover by any stretch of the imagination but to hear Man Utd ‘fans’ claim he’s their best player ever is an insult to the likes of Best (God rest his soul), Charlton & Keane. Cantona never did it on the world stage, Bergkamp did. Remember Dennis’ goal against Argentina in France 98? For me, that was a better than Michael Owen’s against the same opponent. Bergkamp’s time at Inter coincided with the club struggling in Serie A even if he did help them win the UEFA Cup. And he wasn’t the only big name there at the time not to fulfil his talent. I’m with you 100% on Brady too. Yes, I’ll concede that Hoddle was arguably the most gifted player of his generation but the Italy thing, which is a stronger league than France tips it in Brady’s favour. The fact that Giovanni Trapattoni initially had Brady involved in the Irish set up says it all. Is Hoddle still revered in France in the same way that fellow Englishman Chris Waddle is? (Oh dear I’ve just thought of ‘Diamond Lights’!) The general point I’m trying to make is that many of The Arsenal’s great players over the years are always seen as inferior to their counterparts at other clubs even if they are more gifted and that we are not a ‘sexy’ club for most neutrals. To this day Henry is still admired and respected by most neutrals. Very few with the exception of the most biased Man Utd fan would favour Van Nistrelrooy. With the exception of Man Utd & Liverpool, can anyone name me a bigger football institution in England than The Arsenal? Nah, I thought not. Up The Arsenal!

  20. Judge Fred

    May 02, 2012, 11:04 #21835

    Dan is right: Eric inspired a generation - of plastic-London-based-Mancs who bought every trophy they ever 'won'.

  21. VerifiedGooner

    May 02, 2012, 10:55 #21834

    I really love this article, though I don't really knw this players but I really gotta commend you for putting up such an article. Keep up the good work

  22. Dan

    May 02, 2012, 9:31 #21833

    Bitter and deluded fellows. Cantona beauty was far more than his football ability. It was about a man with flaws but shone through them. That is why You guys are still there after 7 years wallowing in self delusion and pity party. Dennis did well but Eric inspired a generation. Open Your eyes and wake up

  23. Ron

    May 02, 2012, 9:29 #21832

    Great article. Brady was arguably the best or close to being the best ever player for a Club like Arsenal. Hoddle wasnt at the same level for a Club like the Spuds. That should settle that debate as to who was better! Cantona shouldnt even be spoken of in the same conversation as DB. No contest. DB achieved far more in his career. PS The very mention of DB and Brady makes underlines how mundane Arsenal FC have become.

  24. Judge Fred

    May 02, 2012, 9:10 #21830

    Liam Brady was the first player that I ever saw that seemed to play in a different manner to every other player on the pitch. He always seemed to have time on the ball, he was never hurried - he played the game at the pace he wanted and therefore dictated from midfield. He also had the most beautiful left foot - an artist of ever there was one. Never, ever compare this midfield maestro to the under-achieving, Eileen Drewery-obsessed, ooooh-I've-got-one-FA Cup-medal, handicapped-person-bashing Hoddle.

  25. Melvyn

    May 02, 2012, 8:41 #21829

    Great Article - and i remember so clearly going to all five games with Sheff Weds - Pat Jennings being pelted with snowballs at the kop end at Hillsboro - Bradys last minute equaliser at Highbury and three trips to Filbert Street in the snow in one week when another cheating ref Clive Thomas conspired to bring Sheff weds back into the two games he reffed. It was worth it when on a sunny day in May we beat Manure 3-2 - Good old days :-)

  26. Tony Evans

    May 02, 2012, 8:36 #21828

    Good article which I agree with. The media always have their favourites and very rarely will they be Arsenal players. Give me Dennis and Brady over Cantona and Hoddle any day and that is said without my Arsenal bias hat on. Talking of Brady I will always remember being behind the goal at ****e Hart Lane when we stuffed the Spuds 5-0 and Brady scored an absolute cracker.