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RVP – Last game?


So, in the end, an improvement on last season’s league finish. 2010-11 saw Arsenal win 68 points, this time around they made 70, which was worth the extra place. It was interesting though that 49 goals were conceded this time around, six more than last season.

Presumably in response to the 3-3 draw with Norwich, Arsene Wenger dropped Kieran Gibbs and Aaron Ramsey, with Andre Santos and Carl Jenkinson coming in, and Francis Coquelin moving to Ramsey’s midfield spot. And the game that followed echoed the inconsistency of the season. It’s difficult to know what to make of it really. Arsenal did not play that well, but neither did West Brom. The tension of what was at stake carried it as entertainment, as I am not convinced it was actually a very good game. It is difficult to judge, with all the emotions you went through. Having said that, compared to events at Eastlands, this was almost straightforward, even if the goals came in the same sequence.

Once again, question marks about the Gunners’ defence were raised, but – largely thanks to injury to West Brom’s Ben Foster – errors by the Baggie’s stand-in keeper Fulop played a huge part in two of the visitors’ goals. Still, it was all about the result, and once Arsenal did manage to get back into the lead at 3-2, unlike last weekend, they saw the game out. Pat Rice had a happy goodbye, chaired onto the pitch by the players. Robin van Persie stayed out longest of all the players after the game and only time will tell if he was saying his goodbyes. At least now, the idea he might depart because he will not get Champions League football at his current club next season can be dismissed. He might claim he is joining another club with a greater chance of winning medals though.

And that is where Ivan Gazidis has to convince him it is worth staying put, with some swift transfer activity. I was told a story from a Dutch source that I hope is not true, but is especially worrying if it is. The story goes that Arsenal had agreed the terms with Jan Verthongen and a transfer fee with Ajax on May 3rd. However, subsequently, the club tried to change the personal terms with the defender who, as a consequence, has now said he will never join Arsenal. After the shambles of last summer’s transfer window, one hopes that lessons have been learnt when it comes to the consequences of penny pinching. If it is true, word will have also reached Van Persie, who might draw conclusions that the club’s ambitions might not match his own.

Pat Rice’s replacement, Steve Bould, having turned down the job a year ago, apparently had to be heavily persuaded to take it this time around. Maybe the former defender stuck his heels in to demand he actually be allowed to coach, because too often this season, the team’s defensive play has been very questionable indeed. The club has been crying out for some change on the coaching front to address the fragility that has seen the goals against total grow season after season, and it must be hoped that Bould’s promotion means a change for the better, because whatever the club were doing over the last couple of campaigns, improvement is quite obviously needed.

What the club – with the Champions League income guaranteed – must do is to also ring the necessary changes amongst the playing staff. Let us hope that Wenger’s comments before the game about not needing many fresh faces and his squad being as good as others is a smokescreen. Some of the disappointing results this season have been as a result of a lack of quality in squad depth, and the club undoubtedly have the finance to improve this situation. The manager also has to admit that certain of his buys have not worked out, and bite the bullet by taking a loss on them, rather than give them more chances to prove they were worthwhile. At least the process began last summer with Almunia, Denilson, Bendtner and Vela cast into the wilderness. There is a substantial list of candidates to join them.

The promotion of Steve Bould will hopefully address weaknesses such as poor organisation, complacency and concentration which have proved costly this campaign. Arsenal dropped 21 points to sides that finished in the bottom half of the table. They finished 19 points behind the champions Manchester City. Alex Ferguson’s side lost out on goal difference, but remain a demonstration that it is possible to compete and sometimes overcome teams with greater resources. Arsenal did achieve this by finishing above Chelsea, but so did Spurs and Newcastle with even less funding. The job now is to make the necessary changes to ensure they are challenging for first place rather than third next season. An announcement of RVP re-signing would be a big start, with the needed new faces joining him. It will mean offloading a number of first team squad players, but the indulgence must now come to an end. It’s time Arsene Wenger admitted to himself that sometimes, you have to be ruthless to win.

Arsenal finished third this season largely because of some big results with late, late goals –Sunderland away, Liverpool away and Newcastle at home all spring to mind. In the end, every single point mattered hugely. There were laurels on the club’s crest this season, but the achievement of finishing third after such a poor start should not mean they are rested upon. Now, for real, it is indeed time to say ‘Forward’. The financially profitable water treading needs to stop.

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  1. SilverGooner

    Jan 05, 2013, 20:09 #30428

    Consistency aside, Arsenal must be one of the easiest teams to play against. Predictable tactics, a suspect defense and a manager who is incapable of being able to change a game from his dugout. As for this transfer window, I would not trust Wenger to spend our money wisely. Oh but wait - Diaby is back in training and we could be signing Theo by offering more money.

  2. Wenger Out

    Jan 05, 2013, 0:51 #30410

    Please someone tell me what the point of this 'article' was? So Mr Rose has come to the insightful conclusion that Arsenal are unpredictable - and bored us all senseless stating the obvious. It is because of mealy mouthed people like Rose that Wenger and the Board continue to get away with failure year after year. As for the reference to the defeat against fourth division Bradford (“pish” – dear me!!), yes let's just sweep that result under the carpet like it was an injustice to the team. Really love the comment about "it felt so harsh in the ground at the time". In other words, "ooh look at me everyone, I am so loyal that I was there on the night cheering the boys on". Yawn! Get Wenger Out and send Rose with him!

  3. Ron

    Jan 04, 2013, 9:47 #30354

    Prepare for another Djourou, Fabianski, Cocquelin, Squillaci et al extravaganza at Swansea (think how 'tired' the regulars must be and how starined the handbrake on Sunday and even youre views on the Club Simon might just plummet to the same black perspective that many on here reached ages ago matey!! We ll see.

  4. Tony Evans

    Jan 04, 2013, 9:01 #30353

    Your final sentence amazes me, Simon. Arsenal and Wenger haven't known who they want or what they are doing football wise for the past 6 years and that is not going to change now. Hoping for something better is a complete waste of time until Wenger leaves and I can not believe you still think otherwise. It is far easier to accept the fact that Wenger and Arsenal have completely lost the ability / desire to compete and to resign yourself to it. In time it becomes much easier to deal with the disappointment games like Bradford give you when you are utterly resigned to it and expect nothing better.

  5. Paul

    Jan 04, 2013, 7:13 #30350

    This Arsenal team just isnt good enough.Not one player in the present team would get anywhere near the 2004 team.Thats what Wenger has done to us in just 8 years.And giving long term contracts to Jenkinson Gibbs and Ramsey tells you things are going to get worse.Wenger has to go at the end of the season but i pity the new manager with the dross he will be left with.This is all Wengers fault

  6. billthered

    Jan 04, 2013, 6:39 #30348

    We are THE ARSENAL and we are the best,but now we can get beat by all the rest.Whatever fans think FFP coming into force whenever that will be, we need players Ray Parlour like, who when going to away games in January or February rolled his sleaves up and put in a shift and was'nt intimidated by anyone,watch the old Man Ure games and watch him kick the Nevilles, Roy Keane and all the other Mancs who got near him.We need signings that want to play so badly for us that it hurts,not some of the dross we now have who look like they could'nt be bothered if they play sit on the bench or in the stands.Not good enough it takes most of us fans about two or three games to suss players out so what happens in training god only knows.It's got to the stage when the tranfer window opens we no longer get excited but worry who the hell is coming through the door next.One thing we can look forward to though is Ibrahimovich next season playing for us as I think he will be the leading scorer in France and we seem to sign them dont we.

  7. clockendpaul

    Jan 03, 2013, 20:57 #30339

    Simon you could have written that three or four years ago, gazidis must love people like you that can be walked over for so long. Pork chop and peas every tuesday is it!

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 03, 2013, 20:08 #30336

    Trying to guess what arsenal's results are going to be these days are not all that tricky at all because more often than not we know what sort of arsenal we're going to get, complacent,mediocre,unmotivated,etc,.Villa are one of the whipping boys so i doubt very much we were unlucky to find them at their best.Yes Simon a good word to describe the Bradford debacle but i'd go even further, but at the end of the day regardless of the stats it just wasn't acceptable,i also think pish is a better word to use for the Southampton game.We all have a good idea what our true level really is at this time,we're ill-equiped to be competitive alright and have been for quite a few seasons and we all know who's fault that is.

  9. CanadaGooner

    Jan 03, 2013, 18:22 #30332

    Simon, if you look beneath the surface, this arsenal team is actually very predictable. Infact, they are as predictable as the teams we've had for the last 7 seasons: THEY WONT WIN ANYTHING. The rest is the same as any other team (Man Utd losing to blackburn, QPR beating chelsea yesterday at the bridge, Chelsea winning the CL and then failing to get past the first round this season). Football isnt an easily predictable sport. what has been very easy to predict by almost every pundit is that arsenal wont challenge for the league and we wont be winning any trophies anytime soon; if any weather forecast is that good, it'll be golden!

  10. fozzy's mate

    Jan 03, 2013, 18:21 #30331

    Simon - nothing will blow in. 3 days into the window and the usual smoke and mirrors have started. Well buy if we can find anyone better than what we have/diaby is back in training/walcott is our most important signing. Even with your Rose tinted specs on you can see that?

  11. Angry & Frustrated

    Jan 03, 2013, 18:15 #30330

    Good God Simon, are your rose tinted glasses finally losing some of their sparkle? This is the most pessimistic article you have ever written on here, and it's not even meant to be pessimistic to any neutral observer! Could I inquire whether you, like most of us, have finally had your fill of Wenger, and can take no more? If not, then at the very bare minimum your tone has changed somewhat from your usual positive "rose tinted" all is well at Arsenal outlook. If true, I dare you to say it - "Wenger out", go on you know you want to!

  12. Dan h

    Jan 03, 2013, 17:18 #30328

    Simon the buck stops with one man.He has assembled a squad so weak that he trusts barely 14 players when all are fit.There are upwards of 10 squad players on big money he does not trust to start a PL match shocking & of his own making.The regular first team players have no one pushing them for their places they play if we win spectacularly or fail so poorly like at Bradford.You need players to feel challenged to keep performing well & ultimatly by having players that can come in & if given a chance keep their place.If it upsets certain players good you either show you are good enough to play for this great club or not no exceptions.Tuesday summed it up one main injury Diaby our subs Giroud,Ramsey & Gervinho two of which are not good enough in my eyes for Arsenal.Mertesacker the only other player on the bench capable of starting.Shocking squad & thats before we talk about tactics,formations where OGL had world class players to bail him out we now have some good players we have really gone back into the pack.I suppose someone will no doubt mention petrodollars etc. Bradford starting 11 cost £7.5k.Simon we didn't have a shot on target until the 70th min Cazorla hitting the bar one thing Gervinho's miss another & to think the man in charge played him as CF this season bizarre.

  13. chris dee

    Jan 03, 2013, 17:13 #30327

    Oh dear oh dear. As long as we have fans who think losing to Bradford City was a matter of 'fine lines' and that we harshly lost in a penalty shoot out,those of us who want us to be consistently challenging for the title and Champions League,just as big clubs should,then we are wasting our breath. Soft,nicely,nicely,prim and proper opinions like Simons are music to the ears of the people who run our club,it means that they can continue to accept Arsenal being a 'quite' successful club. Man Utd,Chelsea,Barca,Real,Bayern Munich,AC Milan,Inter etc wouldn't accept 7 years without a trophy neither should our 'ambitious' board. And forget all the 'anyway we have never had consistent success since 1970 etc etc' nonsense.Now is the time to change that and become a giant in world football,we have the stadium,we have the support,we just need a some ruthlessness and naked ambition from the powers that be.

  14. Noz

    May 18, 2012, 21:54 #22596

    I dont believe a word Gazidis and Wenger say. Incompetence, at best, is shown time after time and I want them both out of my club. We will continue to penny pinch and Wenger's luck (and my word has that man been lucky this season!) will not last. The club has a mid table outlook and if we are not careful we are a Villa in the making. Wenger needs to go for the sake of the club.

  15. exiled&dangerous

    May 15, 2012, 18:07 #22389

    Writing this comment without reading any others yet, so if this is all repetition then apologies...... just a couple of points to make about off-field issues: A well-deserved retirement for Pat Rice, I respect and appreciate the length of service he has given to our club. You can't spend all that time in one place without having your critics, but ultimately he has been an Arsenal man throughout. Can't wait to see the benefit of his "replacement" - do you think next season we are going to see a steely defence, complete with centre-halves flying in studs-up from behind, severing the legs of the namby-pamby fancy dan prima donna fairies before mouthing "The Ball! The Ball!" at the ref whilst making a round air shape with both hands???!!!! Hope so.....

  16. Website Editor (i.e. Kevin Whitcher)

    May 15, 2012, 17:43 #22385

    ok - you can't do hyperlinks in the comments here, but just to point people in the direction of Javier Perez - and this was not my source by the way - google 'javier perez twitter arsenal' and then click on the link for the 10th may tweet where perez writes of the transfer situation. as i say, i did not get it from here, but maybe perez has a similar source.

  17. Peter Hughes

    May 15, 2012, 12:02 #22363

    Don't give up on RVP just yet.He is about to sign his last big contract in his football career.If he gives out signals that signing a new contract is a done deal maybe the club will think they can get him cheaper.You can't blame him if he wants to get the best deal possible.Having said that I reckon he could get more elsewhere but will still sign for us.He appreciates the loyalty the club have shown him during his many injury's.He also knows that it is the club that have given him the opportunity to become the world class player he is.You just knew Cole, Henry, Nasri and Fabregas would go.I think RVP would love to go down in history as a true Arsenal legend.Giving him the captaincy has shown a deeper commitment and responsability which he clearly takes seriously and enjoys.I am sure he is also relishing linking up with Podolski next season.

  18. Moscow Gooner

    May 15, 2012, 11:26 #22361

    Reference the comment above about the WBA fans staying to cheer the team on their lap of honour, the fact that 30 000 left the Emirates before our own lap of honour was a disgrace - and sent a clear message to RvP. Can we hope that these 30 000 f..k off now and let some real supporters into the ground? I can remember in the Terry Neil era nobody leaving the North Bank after an abysmal end of season games against Middlesboro', giving us a position of something like 12th in the league, until he came out to speak to us. Times change....

  19. RJ

    May 15, 2012, 11:22 #22360

    @Simon - well said. However, I think a lot of "Online Gooners" would be a lot happier in their misery if we had finished fifth or lower so they could carry on whinging... But, it is in the longest tradition that we are a miserable bunch, and I defend everyone's right to be glum if they want to be. Me - I am thrilled - I don't have to go to a Champs League game in August, mycup credit ca nbe used for a more meaningful game later in the season - I bet Wenger is in trouble with the owner for losing the club that revenue! For what its worth, my money is on Van Persie and the club announcing on Weds that he is putting the contract on ice for another year, and "will see what happens" - sadly, it probably means we then sell him at the end of the Summer. Arse-nal

  20. goonercolesyboy

    May 15, 2012, 11:10 #22359

    Still waiting for someone to point me in the direction of those supposed transfer rebuttals......Hearing the stories of both mancs wanting RVP leaves me angry....I have to seriously consider where we as a club are going if we sell to a rival and continue to be citeh's feeder club...if he goes to abroad then fair enough but to stay in England is a kick in the teeth to your club...I am 53 and watched Arsenal for 48 years and have 3 season tickets in the family...I have to decide whether to keep the faith and stay loyal as the players don't seem to, so why should I?....it is because I love my club...players want to win trophies blah blah but there are only 3 to win for most of them....how can you build a team when everyone jumps ship?

  21. ken

    May 15, 2012, 10:52 #22358

    Money,players,managers, whatever football is about a club being successful and we all know what that means SILVEREWARE yes it is fantastic finishing third in the pl but will we ever win it unlike Chelsea who will win it they also hold the fa cup, Man city WON the EPL,what about Liverpool they hold the carling cup. AS FANS OF AFC I BET ALOT OF YOU WOULD SUPPORT THE CLUBS ABOVE RIGHT NOW. LOVE WENGER.

  22. matt1202

    May 15, 2012, 10:15 #22357

    Wenger made errors in the summer in not offloading Fabregas and Nasri sooner, therefore of course he bears a lot of responsibility for the results in our first 7 games. My point is if he deserved the huge criticism he was getting then and in January, by the same token a bit of praise must be due for dragging a team that everyone had written off into 3rd ahead of a team supposedly having their best ever season in the PL (Spurs) and 2 more who have spent a sh!t load more on their squads than we have (Chelski and Lpool). If Wenger had been sacked after the Blackburn game in September and a new manager had led us to 3rd place, the praise would be running wild on here. Because it's Wenger, he's got 'lucky' thanks to the poor standard of our rivals and RVP staying injury-free and having the mother of all seasons. As if a striker that he discovered, signed and developed staying fit and doing well isn't anything to do with Wenger's management. The audacity of our star striker staying fit and scoring goals!!! Of course if Chelsea win the Champs League then we would swap with them, but they haven't won it yet and it is a difficult trophy to win. Ambramovich has moved heaven and earth financially to try and land it since 2003 and still hasn't succeeded. Man City and Man Utd, for all their dominance in the Premier League, got knocked out in the group stages and were dumped out the Europa soon after. I do feel Wenger needs to prioritise winning a competition of some sort rather than laying all eggs in Champs League (very unlikely to win) and the Prem. But this is the first season we have been out of contention in everything so early. 2006 Champs League Final, 2007 Carling Cup Final, 2007-8 in the title hunt, 08-09 champs league and fa cup semis, 09-10 in title hunt and last season we were fighting on 4 fronts before that terrible collapse. The real issue Wenger needs to face is sorting out the mentality at Arsenal that seems to see the players freeze as soon as they get to 'squeaky bum time'. Even in clinching 3rd this season we were far from convincing in the run-in, and for too long there has always been that sense of dread before a season-defining league game or big knock-out match. We have to use this 3rd place and a happy end to the season (aint had one in a while) as a stepping stone, learn from our mistakes, improve the squad and go again come August.

  23. Van de Ed

    May 15, 2012, 7:47 #22356

    Wenger, Kroenke & his lapdog Gazidis OUT!!!

  24. Arsene is a liar

    May 15, 2012, 7:22 #22355

    We are exactly where we were four years ago at the end of the season. A club with huge potential and resources with a team able to compete for big trophies with the addition of three or four quality players. Unfortunately those players will not come this year too and we will be where we are now next season and seasons to come.

  25. Mandy Dodd

    May 14, 2012, 23:34 #22354

    Agree Simon, unless there are things we do not know, it is hard to make sense of those alleged at one point done deals. I do think we need better coaching and organisation defensively but,do we need new personnel? , maybe stating the obvious, hopefully s bould has put his foot down on such matters, as I suspect he has. Only my opinion, but I think we need a creative, maybe something in M Suarez or gourcuff?

  26. Season Ticket holder and not sure for how long now.....

    May 14, 2012, 23:20 #22353

    Please wenger wake up and smell the rosse.....this 'squad' is very very poor....spend some money now or leave. It is that simple. We got out of jail by virtue of some very lucky performances....the only time we dominated a game in the whole season was against Blackburn. Spend big or get out as this torture simply cannot continue.

  27. Mandy Dodd

    May 14, 2012, 22:22 #22352

    Yesterday, i Thought we turned things around, finished third and qualified outright for the champions league next season, measured against expectations from many on here of finishing sixth or seventh, or below. Looking at some of these comments, i must be wrong

  28. Stevesam

    May 14, 2012, 22:21 #22351

    A nice touch at the end of the game by the players to bring Pat Rice onto the pitch and give him the bumps in front of the away support, which has been magnificent all season. I hope Pat has a long and happy retirement a true legend. So the away support are ecstatic and celebrating, I look around, is the ground half empty, no. The Baggie supporters have sat patiently while we have held our celebrations, almost every seat full, they have just finished 10th in the PL, their highest ever position, they are losing their Manager and have just been beaten by a team gifted 3 goalkeeping errors. They are waiting to show their team appreciation, I contrast this to our Lap of Appreciation after Norwich where the team walked around a half empty stadium. Do not be surprised if RVP waved goodbye at the Hawthorns.

  29. HowardL

    May 14, 2012, 22:04 #22350

    Well done Arsenal FC! From the Ashes of relegation to the heights of automatic Champions League qualification. I for one am not complaining; but there must be no resting on laurels - next season must start here and now.

  30. simon

    May 14, 2012, 21:58 #22349

    i don't get the widespread doom and gloom. What the heck would the site be like if we'd come fifth! Spurs chelsea and liverpool can't keep spending at the rates they are without CL football and I find it hard to see how any of them can net invest this summer so must sell to buy and they all need major change to their spines. City and United are financially miles ahead of everyone else but even city must slow down and sell to buy i'd think but given the money availability third is the best we can realistically get right now. Lets be honest, did we really think we'd finish ahead of chelsea and spurs? As to transfers, why do people honestly think we'd be in for the ajax dude at 10mill when we've got three 10m centre backs already? Sorry that's just unrealistic. Ditto the midfield dude-unless arsene gives up on diaby i can't see theres a space for a £17m man remembering with have (in no particular order) atrteta/wilshere/rosicky/song/le coq/diaby/ramsey (7 for 3 spots). If wilshere is finished sure i can see it or if song's off maybe but otherwise it just doesn't sound right. Arsenal's summer post the euros will be all about trying to shift the same deadwood they couldn't shift last year and some even duffer ones so i can see arsene being right unless that is, he loses a big player...

  31. Cornish Gooner

    May 14, 2012, 20:14 #22348

    What a pathetic season. Are we not supposed to be the fifth most valuable/wealthy club on this planet? Real, Barcelona,Bayern and Man U do not go for seven years without winning anything do they? No other manager has ever been allowed "carte blanche" as has our tarnished, fading supremo over the length of his reign. I honestly think fifth was what we deserved and I wish that was the end result - it made have have woken up the smug Americans running ArseMart. The self-sustaining model theory is just another City delusion. My advice, don't renew season tickets and start our own "shareholders revolt". SirAlex changes with the times. No Country for Old Men, monsieur!

  32. Mark

    May 14, 2012, 20:10 #22347

    Arsenal can clear most of their remaining debt with 1 or 2 big more sales so i would not be suprised to see them accept £30M for RVP to man city in summer. city will know RVP is in the better than Tevez and Djecko so be prepared to let them move on. nothing we can do about it. Nasri in the end will consider he made the right move

  33. goonercolesyboy

    May 14, 2012, 19:33 #22346

    I am curious as to the reliable source for the Vertonghen and M'Vila transfer breakdowns...? Please point me in the direction of where this is stated in writing? Someone mentioned Javier Perez in a post, excuse my ignorance but I don't know him but will look him up and then write again when I have read his statement and on what authority he writes. I do have a friend who works in the press so we shall seek this info out and seek clarification. As for yesterday, I could hardly watch the second half as soon as we had been gifted the third as we seemed to have no idea how to keep the ball and our defensive shape was lamentable. Gibbs did make a fantastic tackle but remember he had come on at left back and was missing when the ball was played through to their full back as he was wandering around the back line. We had a great view of the game behind the goal and I watched Song very closely to see his positional sense...it was appalling, at one point in the first half he was on the left wing when we had possession for seemingly an age and made no attempt to get back into his shape just in case the ball was lost. And when Gibbs made the tackle he was ambling back half way in our half when he should have been busting a gut...talking of busting a gut Benayoun was awesome yesterday and was knackered at the end of the match, now there is the sort of player we need more of, ok so some of his passes went astray but he made sure he got back and ran his socks off. I hope we keep him somehow and make the additions and offloads we sorely need before next season comes around.

  34. Mike

    May 14, 2012, 19:02 #22344

    If Man City had lost that game yesterday they would have spent millions rectifying something that wasn't broken. They might have fired the manager, got rid of some fringe players (Milner and Barry wern't even on the bench) and bought in new players. They now believe in themselves, where there were doubts before. IMHO for the next 2-4 years, Man City will be the torch bearers of the EPL and there will be nobody to touch them. (Man Utd included). Face it, there is just no team to touch what they have in resources. Even SAF knows that- his team punched way above it's weight this year and he will also need wholesale changes to be competitive - we have just entered the Man City era - If it is trophies we want, then look to the FA Cup and Carling Cup, because it won't come from winning the league - the quicker people realise that the better ...money, money, money

  35. nugs

    May 14, 2012, 18:36 #22342

    If wenger refuses to buy a decent holding midfielder then he is blinder then I thought, how he cannot see or just refuses to accept what a 10 yaer old kid can see is beyond me! Bar arteta and aoc he seriously ****ed up in the transfer market again and anyone who does not see the seriously overrated song as a liability should maybe take up another sport! Yes we finished above the scum yet again but if aw does not pull his head out of his ****ing arse and change his stance this summer I sense it will be the last time we finish above the scum for a while.

  36. Gee

    May 14, 2012, 18:31 #22341

    19 points, 10 losses and 49 goals conceded says we are a long way behind the top 2 and competing for the title. I don't think it is as simple as Wenger says in getting Diaby and Wilshere back, signing VP and adding Podolski. The squad needs a big overhaul and as many of the AKB on here say it is impossible to do as transfers are more complicated than people think. Yeah right. I think we all know we are in for a long drawn out summer with oodles of speculation and no substance. Kev, it doesn't surprise me in the slightest if that Vertonghen deal collapsed in the manner you say. I heard that we were very deep in negotiating with Ajax so to come out of that one empty handed continues to show how inept and impotent we are in the transfer market.

  37. norfolk gooner

    May 14, 2012, 18:30 #22340

    @ matt1202, Saying Wenger has over-achieved this season. REALLY!. Not replacing Cesc and Nasri with quality,the last minute panic buys,gambling on RVP staying fit, finishing 20pts behind the top two, nearly 50 goals conceded, taking only 3pts from the likes of B/burn Wigan Qpr and Swansea,Our heaviest defeat since time began,i could go on.Lets not forget this is Wengers squad not one he inherited mid season,so stop making him out to be some sort of superhero for finishing third.Early Wenger years top-players wanted to play for him,now every year they want to leave, what does that tell you! Also you said Chelsea have spent more money than us but only finished 6th,so then, if they win the CL you would'nt you swap their season for ours?

  38. greenwichgooner

    May 14, 2012, 17:39 #22337

    3rd flatters us. Never let Wenger cry about bad luck after yesterday's performance by the WBA keeper. (another lasagne moment?) Our defence is woefully organised. Midfield ordinary. Only one striker, who will quite probably leave: "whatever happens I will always love the club" sounds like goodbye to me. We may not have City's money but we are not exactly penniless either. Wenger does spend some money, but often on mediocre players. Nothing will change while he still stays in power as the Arsenal Dictator. Don't think Bould will make the slightest difference as you can't disagree with Wenger. We beat City but they are light years ahead of us (table doesn't lie) and will strengthen, as will Chelsea and Utd. Btw I'm as pleased for Clichy as I am repulsed by Nasri. Clichy's form turnaround has convinced me more than ever that the defensive coaching at Arsenal is non existent or very poor.

  39. JIm

    May 14, 2012, 17:21 #22335

    Hmm, last year you wrote that Steve Bould turned down the chance to assist Wenger because he realized that Wenger was a sinking ship, which you either made up, or was a scoop from one of your "sources", which is just a way for you to give credence to things you make up. To cover your tracks, now you say that Bould had to be persuaded. According to this logic, presumably Bould thinks Wenger has a brighter future now. Let's be honest, you make stuff up to support your warped views about the club. Why anyone would believe any of your sources after the Cahill and Jagielka fiasco is beyond me.

  40. LJB

    May 14, 2012, 17:09 #22334

    I heard that Vertongen story last week;it was on Javier Perez's site,which also mentioned a similar scenario had occured with M'Vila.Arsenal are getting a really bad reputation with other clubs regarding transfers and this is not good.The arrival of the americans is the worst thing to ever happen to this club and will lead to a decline which could be hard to reverse.

  41. CanadaGooner

    May 14, 2012, 17:03 #22333

    For a set of fans who complain about a club turning into an accounting firm, we all seem to spend a great deal of time comparing how much other clubs have spent, wage bill etc. Is it worth going back to a simple: DO WHATEVER YOU HAVE TO DO TO WIN scenario? Who cares how much Bracelona or Real or Man City spent, if they end up winning a proportionate number of trophies. For Man City, it's been a great deal of money spent over the past 4 - 5 years, to culminate in a premiership trophy, but after 44 years of waiting, I think it's money well spent. What I consider a waste is 120million net spend by Liverpool to win the Carling cup and finish with just 52 points in the league. If Chelsea fail to win the CL, I'm not sure they'll be happy with the FA Cup only to play unknown clubs in the Europa next season Anyway, back to Arsenal and WHERE TO NOW? --- This has been a truly WOEFUL season defensively. I began this season by saying our defense was no worse than the others around us (minus the 8 - 2 drubbing); but by mid-season it was very obvious why we will continue to fail to win any silverware. Yes, we had a lot of injuries, but it's the lack of fundamentals of defending that's worrying. Even park footballers and sunday league players have some basic aproach to defending. I'll close here as this isnt supposed to be an article. Wenger has a lot of work to do ahead of next season and he cant do it on his own (the last 7 years have proved that beyond any reasonable doubt); he needs a defensive coach, and MUST buy 4 or 5 players this summer. We MUST release 5 to 6 players this summer too. Still quite pleasing to see Spurs finish where they're comfortable finishing (behind the Arse-nal)

  42. Jack

    May 14, 2012, 16:20 #22332

    I keep reading 3rd was a good finish after an awful start.The awful start was all down to Wenger.If Wenger bought players at the start of July instead of deadline day we might not have had that start.Wenger has to carry the can.Shocking mis-management from Mr £7m a year.When are the AKB's going to realise their leader is a fake.We were never in the hunt for ANY competition this season.

  43. Quartus Concordia Crescit

    May 14, 2012, 16:20 #22331

    I'd dearly love RVP to extend his contract but but I wonder what he made of yesterday's events. Former teammates Clichy and Nasri clutching Prem winners medals while we fluked a win to clinch third because their goalie had the mother of all of 'mares. The league table doesn't lie but scraping in to third doesn't mean that we'll be a serious challenger for honours next time round. Our recent defensive performances strongly suggest otherwise . RVP will not have been favourably impressed. With his ability he deserves to win things and desperately wants to win. For sure he'd prefer to do it with Arsenal but is that a realistic aspiration given our current squad and spending habits? Time to cash in again I fear but heaven knows what'll become of us next season without him.

  44. Gman

    May 14, 2012, 16:19 #22330

    Kroenke and Gazidis, raise some money and put your hand in your f---ing pocket, get rid of the deadwood Arshavin, Squillaci, Fabianski, Mannone, Djourou, Santos, Ju Young Park, Chamakh, Vela, Bendtner, Denilson, and buy M'Vila, Vertonghen, Hazard, and Baines, then RVP will stay. Then we can challenge for the title next season

  45. Mike

    May 14, 2012, 16:06 #22329

    This is the Kevin who stated a week or so ago that Bould flatly refused Rice's job.....twice and would never take it no matter what.Here you go again with the rumours stirring where you can. Worst of all, they still swallow it hook, line and sinker

  46. Sweeps

    May 14, 2012, 16:00 #22328

    Same old same old. Wenger and the board have no ambition. What's the point?

  47. CT Gooner

    May 14, 2012, 14:51 #22326

    Another sloppy Arsenal performance. Gervinho did nothing again, though he did track back a couple of times, and what on earth was Theo up to??? I also feel jenkinson is a liability, he needs to be loaned out for experience. And colquin, what was he doing for their second goal? But we got lucky, as their keeper was shocking! So is it good that we're in the CL, not IMO. The club will get the revenue from punters stupid enough to drink the cool aid, but I don't think Wenger will give us a squad capable of competing. Sorry to be so negative, but I'm not feeling real meanful change is on its way. I sooo hope I'm wrong

  48. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 14, 2012, 14:32 #22325

    An improvement on last season but at the end of the day we crawled over the line again but for some woeful goalkeeping from fulop and a great tackle by gibbs at the end it could have been much different a couple of the usual suspects showed us that big improvements are required next season and i would say by the way arsene was up and down and fidgeting he knew it as well.Steve bould has some serious work to do on the defence and like you say kev lets hope he is allowed to do it. Gazidis certainly has to get the finger out and start earning his salary on the RVP front the announcement that he's staying and signing a new contract would be massive and a great boost for us all as would a clear out and two or three more signings i hope the Jan Verthongen story isn't true but would it surprise us if it was.Yes we're in the champions league again a chance to compete for arsenes and the boards holy grail but without massive improvement and signings can we really win it ?.Three points were all that mattered yesterday and we got them and it was great to get p****d last night while having a laugh at the spuds. But no matter how we enjoyed last night at the end of the day it's still another season another year without any silverware not good enough big changes are needed.

  49. Highbury Boy

    May 14, 2012, 14:29 #22324

    As you say Kevin "Phew!". That was mighty close. I just hope that AW thinks long and hard and says to himself "I don't want to have to go through that again". And he doesn't if he takes an objective view of his squad.Not look at them as how he sees them in training or the potential they showed when he signed them as teenagers or whenever. Look at them now,how they have been playing recently if indeed they have been playing. Also forget how much he thought they were worth in the transfer market last year. If he does all that there should be a massive clear out which will hopefully lead to real new quality signings not just the LANS (Wilshere,Diaby,Mertesacker,Arteta,Sagna,Frimpong) and keep RVP. Don't just complain about the size of the squad preventing you signing new ones,Mr W,but do something about it. Arshavin,Vela and Denilson all played for their teams at the week-end so perhaps we can off load them after all with only NB coming home. Then there's the other 15 loanees to be dealt with including Bartley,Lansbury and Miyaichi. Quick decisions please. Let's get the squad sorted early this time.

  50. johnnyhaeleylovinggooner

    May 14, 2012, 14:11 #22323

    3rd after a very bad start of which the board and the manager must both take full blame. if your friend story is true then, then nothing has been gained from lastyear. GG once after a so-so season said replacements would be made, this is the talk and action we need to here. No more the sguad needs a bit of work rubbish, major action is reguired,and we need the boss to say he will do it.

  51. Gare Kekeke

    May 14, 2012, 14:03 #22322

    Credit to Wenger and the players for the win and the 3rd place finish or rather ‘trophy’. Yet again, defensively we were a shambles but had Marton Fulop to provide us with a poor display of goalkeeping comparable with Almunia. Kieran Gibbs, take a bow son. As for the third place finish, you can look at it in three ways. One; Wenger has maintained his flawless record of finishing above Tottenham. Credit to him for that. Two; our weakest team since the mid-90s was still too much for Tottenham’s best since the mid-80s. So much for ‘mind the gap’ in their favour. Three; despite finishing 3rd for the fourth time in Wenger’s reign, this year we have been the best of an average bunch such as the decline of quality in the league apart from the top two (and even this Man Utd team is weak in comparable to other successful teams in the Ferguson era). This 3rd place finish has seen us finishing a whopping NINETEEN points behind the champions and runners-up, who themselves who were only separated by goal difference. And unlike the previous three, we weren’t title challengers to boot. 3rd in 1997 was built upon with the glorious campaign the following season. In 2008 and 2010, we finished just four & eleven points respectively behind the eventual champions. But Wenger’s failure to build on either of those seasons had seen us regress in each of the following seasons. So one can only hope that lessons have been learnt come the summer. I’m more bothered that we didn’t compete for silverware this year which is totally unacceptable. Is it also too much to ask that next season’s European Cup campaign hints or gives us an actual triumph (at Wembley) rather than making up the numbers and plenty of cash? The usual progress through the tedious group stage only to be ripped apart by the first decent side we can come against in the knockouts is tiresome to say the least. A squad overhaul is still desperately required. Whether it will happen is another matter because other clubs in the top seven/eight circle will look to improve. Wenger is in no position to stand still and hope for the best with what he has already got. Here’s hoping too that Steve Bould will have input in terms of how we defend because to concede a goal short of a half century in a 38-game season despite the high finish is a joke. Also good luck to Pat Rice in his retirement. A true Arsenal legend who deserves respect from every Gooner unlike some of the players who have played for us in recent years and bizarrely earned themselves cult status with some fans. Up The Arsenal!

  52. ATID

    May 14, 2012, 13:58 #22321

    A fair summary. With the only change in management being the promotion of Steve Bould I can't see any advance on third place next season. Wengers comments over the weekend were omininously familiar. Remember Einstein's definition of insanity? To repeat the same experiment and to expect a different result.

  53. West Upper

    May 14, 2012, 13:27 #22320

    Third place represents a decent return on the season bearing in mind how we started it. This summer is the time to clear out the overpaid rubbish and use their wages to attract decent squad players. We're not miles away, but our lack of strength in depth has cost us. The subs bench available when we were 3-0 up against Milan and ready to put them to the sword should have told the manager all he needed to know.

  54. Merse69

    May 14, 2012, 13:26 #22319

    Finishing third after losing our three most creative midfield players of last season (Fabregas, Nasri and Wilshere) is the best that could have been be hoped for. Wenger is unlikely to be given much credit above the line, but without him the Arsenal may now be just another faded giant of English football. Either desperately trying to get back into the European elite ( like Spurs), or having more or less given up the ghost (like Villa) Of course the Gooner is entitled to criticise the manager. That's actually the point of a fanzine. It's not the negativity that's the problem, it's the amount of criticism and the complete lack of balance. This isn't about just accepting 3rd or 4th place. It is about recognising that finishing in the top four isn't easy. Just ask Liverpool... The manager deserves respect for delivering this season after season. And for doing it with real style. Keep RVP, let Bould coach an already improving defence, add Podolski's goals and we could really challenge City next season. In the longer term, we all need UEFA's financial fair play rules to level the playing field.

  55. Angry & Frustrated

    May 14, 2012, 13:14 #22318

    The stat which I find the most compelling from this season is the 49 goals conceded one. Their was once a Wenger team which went 49 games unbeaten! What the hell has happened in the period between those two 49's???

  56. fozzy's mate

    May 14, 2012, 13:10 #22317

    Kev - I think all in all if the club did not make its own crisis out of the Cesc and Nasri debacle, the heiarchy could take more credit. It was obvious to everyone except OGL as it was obvious that Wilsher would not figure significantly or as it turned out at all, given his injury and our record for managing injuries. What is clear is that we cannot afford another debacle in the transfer market. Our form in the early part of the season caused by said debacle really ruined our season so far as the hunt to end the trophy drought was concerned. Act now, if players nearing the end of their contract want to go, sell them this week. Then spend the incoming funds plus the unspent transfer pot quickly, not at 1159 on 31 August. Another summer debacle and horrendous start is simply unnaceptable. Despite being anti those who run our club I wouldn't believe any rumours either way. after all on these pages kev, you assured us last summer that we had signed cahill and Jagielka. One thing I do agree is that RVP's solemn and totally non committal demeanour re his future is not good news. But If the inevitable is to happen, please lets accept it flog him now and move on by signing the next RVP!

  57. danalovAFCXI

    May 14, 2012, 13:04 #22316

    Bloody hell you lot cheer up! at least we topped the spuds again. Agreed another empty season which could have been avoided if wenger had got his act together sooner and spent some f**kin money. Who knows he might spend some this summer (yeah right). But lets look at the positives we finished 3rd no annoying qualifiers this year for us. Also it will be mildly amusing if the chavs win the champions league and stop the spuds qualifying. On the downside it will be rank to have the chavs as the only southern team to have won the European Cup. We got Podolski and erm maybe some of the crap will leave. Er actually i feel a bit depressed now.

  58. Tony Evans

    May 14, 2012, 12:53 #22315

    Dreadful season and the last ditch CL qualification should not hide this fact. Defensively we are still all over the place, we still have far too many overpaid, deadwood players that are crippling the club and we still desperately need at least 3 or 4 quality signings. I am sorry to be a doom merchant but I really can not see Wenger dealing with any of these issues, judging from the last 7 years and I am sure RVP will feel the same.

  59. Nod !

    May 14, 2012, 12:51 #22314

    Beautifully summed up sir !

  60. Yanto

    May 14, 2012, 12:47 #22313

    I have three very good (Gooner) mates - we go to the games together, and for the past three seasons they have all been calling for AW to go, I have resisted joining their call, arguing that he would eventually 'turn it all around', that financially his hands were tied by a board he (AW) was reluctant to confess were the one's telling porkies about how much there was for transfers. However having seen the money spent on such failures as Gervinho, and the likes of Park - who hasn't been given a chance, whilst keeping the likes of Diaby, Djourou , Fabianski and Almunia instead of getting rid - they would all find it difficult to get a place in any prem team (Yes! they are THAT bad. And now having signed Podolski ( to most peoples approval) he now seems intent of adding to the wage bill by not ditching the afore mentioned (okay so the Spanish Waiter is leaving - at last!) rather than off-load them and use their wages to get a world class holding mid-fielder. There was a rumour we were in for M'vila, but that appears to have died the death. With the fitness and availabilty of Jack Wilshere still no where near certain, we need a HMF, another CB, AND a Goalie - as Shez has begun to make too many mistakes and needs to be challenged. And now I have to admit that as much as I (all four of us) Love AW for what he initially did for the club, I have to say I am coming round to their point of view, and if he diesn't make the necessary buys and improvements I just don't see us finishing in the top 5 next season, all other top 7 teams will improve their quality etc, if we don't then it IS time for AW to go. ps: HUGE "Thank-You" to Pat Rice, enjoy your retirement mate!

  61. chris dee

    May 14, 2012, 12:24 #22312

    With a bit more realism regarding Arsenes strategy of 90 minutes all out offence we could have had many more points. Hopefully old stone face Bould can persuade Arsene that defensive organisation is allowed during periods of a game when all is not going well.After all, if you can't win then don't bloody lose! Arsene is rightly proud of 15 years of Champions League qualification,but he would,and we would ,be much prouder if we actually won the frigging thing.And no Arsene, it still doesn't feel like winning a trophy. Defensively again against W B A a total shambles,but we have seen defensive displays like that for the last 5 years so we'll next year if the penny has finally dropped.

  62. JER

    May 14, 2012, 12:16 #22311

    We've done well to get third after the awful start but it must be emphasised that this has been a poor league. And that is despite what Sky tell us and the last day excitement. We have an awful lot of work to do to catch up with the Manchester giants and surely Chelski and Liverpool will be better next season. We will do well to get third next year, that's the best we can hope for I fear.

  63. ollyarsenal

    May 14, 2012, 12:14 #22310

    Give credit when credit is due.Had no Fabregas,Nasri,wilshere all season and went from the relegation zone in september to automatic champions league qualification in may. Well done Arsenal! Top team in London!

  64. Joe S.

    May 14, 2012, 12:06 #22309

    Yes, I also forgot to mention the brightest spot in yesterday's game which of course was Kieran Gibb's goal saving interception. For a player who has had so many injuries to put his body on the line like that is an inspiration. Let's hope it's a turning point for him and helps inspire other injury prone players such as Jack, Diaby and Ramsey to battle on.

  65. GoonerRon

    May 14, 2012, 12:01 #22308

    The more I assess it, the more I think we’ve performed quite well in the circumstances. The main frustration for me is we never gave ourselves a chance to be in contention for the league. I hope the club have learnt a valuable lesson in preparation, the noises are encouraging with Podolski signed etc. You’ve also got to think the likes of Santos, Mertesacker and Gervinho will be better equipped next year to add value to the squad. We also shouldn’t underestimate the evolution of younger players like Gibbs, Jenks, Coquelin, Ramsey, Ches, AOC and even Theo. Obviously getting Wilshere back to his pre-injury best will be key. More experienced players like Rosicky have become genuine options again as opposed to an unwanted squad player at the start of this season, whilst Arteta has morphed into a ultra-valuable member of the first team and not just a panic buy as some said when he came. I sincerely hope that Steve Bould can provide us with a defensive edge that we’ve not had for a number of years – if we have a more solid platform to work from we’ve still got very dangerous players. With two more top quality signings I honestly see no reason why we can’t push for the title next year.

  66. Stevo

    May 14, 2012, 11:53 #22307

    There is always an underlying negativity to your posts!! There have been fundamental errors over the last few years and this season must go down as the worst under Le Boss. However, we have come ahead of a Chelsea team with no budget and a Tottenham team who have their best ever season!! And we came behind 2 teams who have spent a fortune. Not bad going really... We would have something to moan about if we were Liverpool fans or Blackburn fans believe me. I’m not satisfied with 3rd but I am a realist. We have conceded 49 goals yes but we are 3rd and for what that brings, that is huge for us in our current position. All in all, we have had a tough year but we are entering the financial fair play era having moved stadiums and having battled through transition. The teams around us will struggle to move stadiums financially, and we are light years ahead in terms of our foundations. Yes mistakes have been made but we have got over the line this season and we wouldn’t have imagined this after the mauling at Old Trafford. We don’t have to play a qualification for the champions league tournament and this guarantee’s revenue and makes us more attractive for players to join us. Let’s judge Wenger from the great platform we have tripped our way to. This season may not have been the worst thing that could have happened to us and hopefully the backroom shake up may just kick us in the right direction. I believe you had a part to play in a fantastic book, “The makings of a modern super club”….. Just remember who that was written about.

  67. Joe S.

    May 14, 2012, 11:48 #22306

    I watched the German cup final on Saturday night and who was ominous in the crowd? none other than Sir Alex. This is the day before a possible premiership winning game for his Reds. It says a lot about the man's hunger. Whatever happened the next day was history and he was only interested in the coming season scouting /clinching Kagawa or any other available talent. At Arsenal we have Wegner struggling for superlatives to describe his team's achievments and more depressingly the nonsense about how the current squad only needs some tweeking. The bull**** detector is already in overdrive.

  68. AugustusCaesar

    May 14, 2012, 11:44 #22305

    Didn't Kevin also say we're about to announce Neil Banfield as our number two so I don't know how much credence you give the Verthongen story. Maybe you should say nothing until you know for sure as "AKB"s like myself will start to think it's propaganda. After our dismal start we have to be pragmatic and view 3rd as an achievement of sorts. This season could have been a whole lot worse. We have been a little fortunate with Spurs hitting the wall as they did, the surprising demise of Chelsea (in league terms) and, to a lesser extent, Liverpool, but we capitalised and hit form at the crucial period. Crucially, we have something to build on for next season. A new coach, a new signing already in place, Wilshere returning and a pre-season free of CL qualifiers and (hopefully) no protracted transfer sagas will give us a far better chance of improving on last season.

  69. Joe Fitzpatrick

    May 14, 2012, 11:39 #22304

    If that story about Jan Verthongen is true then we are going to be looking at him alongside Juan Mata and Van der Vaart as the ones that got away. Why are our transfer dealings always such a shambles?

  70. Barry

    May 14, 2012, 11:31 #22303

    Here's a stat for you Kev in 1974/75 we finished 16th in the league in a 42 game season.We conceded 49 goals.This season we finished 3rd and conceded 49 goals in a 38 game season.In Szczesny we have a good young keeper in Sanga Kos and TV we have good individual defenders but as a unit they CANT DEFEND.Why? because our manager doesnt coach defence.Defence doesnt exist in Wengerland.All they do in training is play tippy tappy 5 a side football.The defence should be drilled on defence every single training session.Song is an absolute joke as a DM.Yes we have moved up one place but the table shows the gap between the top two has grown as big as ever.Every season that goes by Wenger's reputation is more tarnished but the deluded AKB;s,yes you John Cross will tell us finishing 3rd this year is Wenger's greatest achievement.Yeah better than two doubles and an unbeaten season!!!

  71. Kevin

    May 14, 2012, 11:12 #22302

    An "improvement" on last years finish.Yeah right last year we finished 12 behind the Champions this year the gap has grown to 19 points.I cant see that as improvement.We lost more games and conceded more goals.Wenger dodged a bullet by RVP staying fit.Chamakh has been an un-used sub all season and Park has been seen less than Lord Lucan.Man Utd 8-2 and Milan were shockers but the game at Swansea summed up our season.Totally outplayed by a team promoted in last years play-offs over 200 passes more than us.Wenger was out-Wengered by Rodgers beaten at our own game..We didnt do the double over the bottom 4 teams or any of the promoted teams.Teams dont fear us anymore.Players of the season 1.RVP 2.Kos 3.Arteta. Garbage of the season 1.Gervinho 2.Ramsey 3.Song

  72. Nick

    May 14, 2012, 11:04 #22300

    I thought yesterdays game was a microcosim of our, season ,it had it all except for a goal from Robin, it even had bizzare but this time not costly substitutions , i dont know about anyone else but i was screaming for the Ox to come on for the patently useless Gervinho, and then OGL sends on Gibbs , in the end a stroke of luck, but i still fel kind of flat now, it was good to finish above the scum but 19 points behind the top two ?, and already the sound bites from Wenger are ominous we really , really need to show ambition this summer but i fear that we wont , that RVP will move on to end his career with silverware , while we get another big cheque to line the yanks pocket, Wilshire and Diaby will be new signings and we will only buy if we can get better than we have , bloody hell in some cases it wouldnt be hard to achieve that, if we have another dull summer and dont challenge next season i may never forgive the Frenchman.

  73. Ron

    May 14, 2012, 11:03 #22299

    Gooner Ron - RVP s fitness for the season has been lucky whichever way you look at it. Hes never managed it before and as hes been the only consistent scorer as well, thats good luck in anybodys book. Had he have been fit and only scored about 10 goals, we would have been fighting in the bottom half for the entire season id say.Hes had maybe the best 'purple patch' he ever will have to exactly coincide with his fitness and we ve been the beneficiaries of it.Hes effectively peaked at a time when Arsenal needed it most. Call it what you want, thats luck. He never 'owed' Arsenal anything (as some have argued) as result of the Club having chosen to stand by him for so long. That was their choice. Arsenal are good like that (too good in fact). I would say though that Wenger now owes RVP. He owes him some good players to play with if he wants to keep him.Wenger made Fabregas play with clueless donkeys for too long, expecting him to carry the team on his own and deserved to lose him. The same applies to RVP unless he radically improves that team. Ill say it again. Its the worst Arsenal team since the mid 60s.

  74. Graham Simons

    May 14, 2012, 10:58 #22298

    The problem isn't the defence - it's the coaching. Wenger could have Vidic and Kompany at the back and we'd still have a defence as useful as a catflap in an elephant house. We conceded 49 goals this season - 49 goals! These players turn out for their international teams - even Djourou will this summer. Andy Linighan never won any caps for England. The problem is the coaching and unless Bould is allowed to coach this defence properly, it will be the same old rubbish next season.

  75. Adrian Wagenaar

    May 14, 2012, 10:55 #22297

    A good summing up as usual from our Ed - RVP said on the MOTD "whatever happens I will always love this club" (or words to that effect) so will the club run down his contract or get one last big bucks deal from the new champions? To make a statement we need 3 world class signings to create competition for places in our team that will punish poor performances by any player with a long stint in the stiffs! However after our start and the 8-2 debacle, to get third spot is an acheivement.

  76. lance peters

    May 14, 2012, 10:47 #22296

    wenger said quite summer. what more do you people need to hear. van persies expression says he is leaving. there is no hope again for next season. wake up guys stop dreaming.

  77. Dickie

    May 14, 2012, 10:40 #22295

    That story from your Dutch source makes for uncomfortable reading. Sad thing is it wouldn't surprise us if it's true. No wonder he wants to join Sperz! I am grateful for finishing third, now let's take advantage of the CL place and get out there and buy the players we need, not only to persuade RVP to sign up, but to challenge for the title. If Dick Laws (or whoever) has been doing their job, it should just be a case of dotting the i's on deals with the likes of M'vila and (hopefully) Vertonghen. If we lose out on some of our main targets, so be it, but let's get the transfer business sorted as soon as possible. That includes RVP's contract. If he is not going to sign i'd rather we cashed in than let a historically injury prone player tip toe through next season. And no Henry style, paid up front, signing on fees followed by 38 testimonial performances and departure one year later. The deadwood needs to be moved on to clear squad places for non-homegrown signings, even if it means lowering our valuations. I ran out of patience with Wenger's transfer policies years ago. He got out of jail this year due to our competitor's short-comings. Let's hope he takes advantage of this chance to remind us what a good manager he is. I'm glad Bould has agreed to become Wenger's assistant manager, mainly because I loved him as a player. I am sure he will have a positive influence on the team. Out of interest, has anyone watched enough youth football to judge his coaching ability? Gibbs being the highest profile graduate in recent years does not appear to be a well drilled defender. There are clearly tactical and coaching deficiencies with the first team, but the biggest issue for me is the lack of quality in the squad. Wenger, get it sorted.

  78. RJ

    May 14, 2012, 10:33 #22294

    Folks - this is the time to chill and enjoy it - Champs League => Wenger can do some good business in the transfer window => maybe RVP stays. Steve Bould coaching the backs - they are not useless, they just need organisation (as we have all been saying_ now is the time and the chance. Look forward to next season with some joy, otherwise there is no point. Well done the boys - I am happy to take three goalkeeping howlers in our favour for once after the rank stuff I have seen from Flappy and Almunia over the last few years. When next season starts, we WILL be top of the table - even if only alphabetically.

  79. George Knew

    May 14, 2012, 10:33 #22293

    Never been so underwhelmed by finishing 3rd This has been an awful season in which we recorded our worst defeat in 115 years and our worst ever CL defeat.You ask will things change.Of course they wont it will get worse.Wenger will use 3rd place as an excuse to carry on his mad project.He has already said he will only make 1 or 2 signings and that Wilshire and Diaby will be like new signings,you couldnt make it up.RVP will go.He aint going to hang around for the next four years and win nothing.Over the whole season only Kos Arteta and RVP can hold their hands up and say they had consistently good seasons.As we have been saying as long as Wenger remains we can write off every season.

  80. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    May 14, 2012, 10:31 #22292

    Thank god its over. What a dreadful season that evveryone saw coming except the person that matters. Now more pain to come as teams around us show ambition and sign players while we have to listen to Wenger going on about what a big squad we have and having Wilshire back will be like a new signing. Things wont get better until someone see's through the Emperors clothes that is wenger.

  81. Judge Fred

    May 14, 2012, 10:27 #22291

    Given how poor we have generally been, 3rd represents a satisfactory position. Once again I reiterate, what disappoints me most is that at no stage this season have we been competitive - never have we looked like winning (or being close to winning) anything. Not winning trophies I can handle but not competing for trophies is inexcusable. Oh and Kieron Gibbs - thanks for that brilliant last-ditch tackle against WBA - you prevented a VERY unfortunate situation from arising. You may also have saved your bosses job.

  82. Rob

    May 14, 2012, 10:20 #22290

    Just as I was feeling a rad optimistic Kev, you come out with that Vertongen story. And it has the horrible ring of truth to it and demonstrates that the Club is as ineptly run - post Dein - as it ever has been. This has been a horrible season with some truly shocking performances and a few good matches. But every season throws up a few of the latter. It did even under Bertie and Terry Neill. So that straw should not be clutched too gleefully. I do hope you are wrong on Vertongen but it would explain his pro Spurs utterances of late. And I do hope you are right about Bould getting to grips with the defensive side of things. I really couldn't take another summer like the last. And I don't know too many Arsenal fans who could.

  83. adrian

    May 14, 2012, 10:18 #22289

    So they have dodged the bullet this time. It does not disguise the fact the squad needs surgery. That leaky defence is not going to be winning trophies any time soon. A proper defensive midfield player would also help. The big question still remains as to how they will compete next year with the 'Big Spenders' at the top of the league.

  84. chrisy boy

    May 14, 2012, 10:14 #22288

    what is sure under the current financial restrates at our club getting above man city yet alone the likes of man utd and chelsea is going to get harder as each season passes, but games are not won or lost on how much money you have in the bank , to a large extent its all about the players and there lies our problem. Of our 25 man squad you have to name 7 or 8 of those have as much chance of making it at Arsenal as me. I agree kevin, wenger must admit defeat on those players and replace them with 4 or 5 quality signings. Maybe next season we can at least be in a position to push city and utd.

  85. GoonerRon

    May 14, 2012, 10:10 #22287

    I am sick and tired of hearing no balance when people comment on our injuries. People say we were 'lucky' that RVP has stayed injury free this season as a reason for us 'scraping' 3rd place, yet offer no mitigation that we may have been struggling slightly at times because we've been unlucky to not have Wilshere for one single minute this season, and to lose all four full backs for at least 3 months each.

  86. Theo Jensen

    May 14, 2012, 10:09 #22286

    According to 'sources close to the player' RVP wants to stay for another year and see how do we do. This is from the BBC sport website and they're usually well-sourced with these things, I just wish they'd actually name the sources. In America journalists are apparently obiged to do so. Great to have third though- for having two less games as much as anything that will really help with the other campaigns.

  87. Dan h

    May 14, 2012, 10:09 #22285

    Just pleased the season is over we have secured CL football so no excuses to not strengthen if the lessons of last summer havn't been learned we won't imo be so lucky next year.The big question over RVP's future will no doubt be discussed this week he will be offered a massive contract but i stand by what i said last year he wants to win trophies.If AW has the same discussion as last year with our skipper he will be off.The club will not hold him to the last year of his contract & will cash in imo.The fact the club stood by him through injury will not be a factor in an ideal world you would think it would hold some sway it doesn't.RVP can rightly turn around & point out his goals this year have more than paid it back CL football is worth 40m+!IG has gone on record & said 'we have kept our powder dry for future transfer windows' well if we don't use the resources we have this year this summer we lose our talisman & what does it tell the other players?To concede 49 goals this season lose 10 matches & still come 3rd is sobering statistics sorry to be negative but those numbers are frankly shocking.It will be interesting viewing saturday night whatever the outcome i still hope Bayern win don't know how others feel about it!The events of yesterday were dramatic to say the least watched the highlights on MOTD Gibbs will never make a better interception in his Arsenal career.Just a few words for Pat Rice a real Arsenal man enjoy your retirement.Would also like to say Benayoun won't be with us next year we will not be taking up his contract from Chelsea.For a loan signing & squad player he for me was an unsung hero this year & really popular amongst the staff & players to the extent the players used to tell him to have a word with the manager for not playing him more!

  88. Peter Wain

    May 14, 2012, 10:09 #22284

    If the transfer story is true this is incredible. Talk about not learning from your mistakes. Gazadis is just a snake oil salesman and should not be in any position in our club. Once again Wenger is lucky that WBA's goalkeepr was useless. At fault with all of the goals and the two we conceded show how little has been learned over the last seven years about defending. Clichy who I was an accident wainting to happen looks a totally different player at City. Very pessimistic about this window.

  89. Martyn

    May 14, 2012, 10:06 #22283

    I've always thought that the Podolski signing was to replace RVP. Let's face it, City can buy whoever they want and it will come as no surprise if RVP ends up there. Nasri has got his winners medal and it will send a big 'come and join me' message as I can only see City getting stronger next season. RVP has been very loyal to Arsenal, unlike Nasri, and deserves a shot at some real silverware. Don't be surprised if that big cheque is sitting on Arsene's desk right now. The question is, what will he do with it?

  90. John Abrehart

    May 14, 2012, 9:46 #22281

    A very good summary editor. It was pleasing that Arsene was not too cocky about obtaining third spot, it must be remembered that we enjoyed considerable good fortune in some vital matches and the implosion by Spurz was also a big factor. We crept over the line (again)and the same old problems need to be addressed. It was therefore disheartening (as a recent post also pointed out) that Arsene said in the press that all we needed was a fit Wilshere and Diaby and we had the desired squad. What? I sincerely hope that Jack proves to be what he has promised but it is worrying that his injury has kept him out all season whilst players with broken legs in this campaign have returned. As for Diaby, without knocking him I think that he has played three bits of matches all season without one start. We really cannot rely on those two as the nucleus of our mid-field, so a playmaker must be one of the minimum of two purchases we need; the other being a top class centre back. Finally, as for the debate about the manager, he will not be replaced now so we should get behind him and hope that lessons have been learned and with the inclusion of Bouldy we will at last address our problems and become stronger. Well done to the team for getting us through the last few weeks and achieving St Totteringhams day once again!

  91. matt1202

    May 14, 2012, 9:42 #22280

    Bit unfair to compare our failure to compete with City with United's ability to do so. The starting line-up they sent out at Sunderland yesterday was more expensive than City's. Many valid points but I think a little bit more praise justified. Considering where we found ourselves after 7 games, losing last season's most influential player, our best player and captain, as well as Wilshere and Diaby out all season, 3rd is an excellent achievement. Dalglish has wasted 100 mill plus and finished 8th. Chelsea spent on Mata, Cahill and Meireles to add to the 75 mill they spent on Torres and Luiz in January 2011 and they finished 6th. 3rd considering Arsenal's expenditure not to mention circumstances of losing almost the entire midfield from 2010-11 season (the strength of that team) plus the general turbulence, is an over-achievement. I seriously dont think any other manager bar maybe Ferguson could have achieved that with this squad amidst all the upheaval of this season.

  92. Wombledin

    May 14, 2012, 9:41 #22279

    You hope its a smokescreen that Wenger said not many fresh faces are needed? I know you're not stupid enough to really believe that. You heard him the other day: "Its going to be a quiet summer for Arsenal" he said. Have we signed any defenders yet? You really think the financially profitable water treading is going to stop now? Dream on my son.

  93. Ron

    May 14, 2012, 9:31 #22278

    Not many are too exited about it frankly. Entry into a tournament that brings with it the usual mullering at the first point of good opposition. The seasons finished, The pain is over. Be ready for more next time around. That team is chronically poor. Wenger got lucky in that the Premier League isnt of the highest standard at the moment overall and they were also lucky to scratch wins in that 7 game unbeaten stretch. Most of all, they got lucky in having RVP stay fit for long enough to drag them along, week in, week out. His acknowledgment to the fans yesrterday suggested to me it was his 'goodbye' and who could really blame him at this stage of his career.