The Renewal Hour

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The Renewal Hour

Gone With The Wind – Arsenal in 2012?


As midnight approached yesterday, thousands of Gooners up and down the country faced a big decision, to follow their hearts and renew their season-tickets or follow their heads and return it to the Denver Dough-Trouserer.

Through a night when we are dreamt of our money being spent on quality reinforcements and a title challenge, Mr Kroenke will have dreamt of his ever-increasing bank balance. The first of June each year sees the club in its richest position of the year, and Ivan the Terrible and his friends have two choices - bank it, or spend OUR money as we all want it to be spent. After all, it’s our club. We are the fans who have followed it through one-nil home defeats to Wimbledon and glory finals. We are the club.

We all hoped that, at renewal time, RvP would be tied to a new long-term deal, some quality reinforcements would have been brought in and fringe players moved on. As it is, we have seen the arrival of one quality signing in the shape of Lukas Podolski, but even that was an Arsenal special, a player who we could sign on the cheap with a year to go on his contract.

We are one of the richest clubs in the world and big-name players such as M’Vila still want to join us. We have the resources to sign such players but equally the desire to shop in the bargain-basement. On top of that, we are obsessed with doing business late. By the time we got to August 31st last year, the league challenge was already over. All this to save a few quid. It’s like going hungry all week and raiding the reduced-to-clear counter on a Friday.

To add to this frustration, it’s not as if it’s a new development. We all remember the bids for world-class players circa 2003 - £500,000 plus Sylvain Wiltord! This week, Chelsea’s capture of Eden Hazard is also another example of our scouting system being a total waste of time and money. Hazard is the latest example of a player we identified before anyone else but were too tight to go for the kill, instead settling for third-rate versions of the likes of Vela and Denilson.

I have spent the last week trying to convince a fellow Gooner to renew his season-ticket. The individual in question is a long-term committed supporter, yet he feels betrayed by the club he loves. He goes every week, pays into the club with the highest ticket prices in the land and all he sees is Mr Kroenke investing in a new car and a bigger swimming pool. I put it to him that it’s our hobby (we don’t collect stamps) and it’s like going to the cinema a few times a month. His response is simple. If he goes to the cinema, he gets to see superstars and the latest releases like Men in Black 3. When he goes to the E******s, he sees stars of yesteryear, promising youngsters and Gone With the Wind. When I continue the debate, he makes a compelling argument and one I find it difficult to argue with.

So do we go with our hearts and renew, or with our heads, and fire a warning shot westbound to Denver?


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  1. GoonerSince66

    Jun 05, 2012, 18:27 #23313

    I'm Islington born and bred and still remember when my dad took me to my first match in 66 (he was a season ticket holder for donkeys years)The highs and lows over the years have been memorable and this club is in my blood. However I now feel that the dream we we're sold upon moving to the Emirates has been nothing but a pack of lies and i am left totally disallusioned with the club i love. I've not renewed my ST and it breaks my heart to feel that i have been pushed into this decision by the current regime running the club. I'm sure that i will survive watching in the pub and having a craic with plenty of other gooners, the atmosphere and singing might even be better!!!!!!!!!Is it me or do you feel that people stare at you as if you have two heads if try to sing up in the bowl these days, Good luck to all who still enjoy giving their hard earned money away though.

  2. GoonerGoal!

    Jun 05, 2012, 10:49 #23302

    My wife was the one who put the whole thing in perspective for me about renewing my season tickets. “Why? You don’t even enjoy going anymore…”, and I realised she’s right. My family has supported Arsenal through four generations, but the past 7 years have been increasingly tortuous. To the point that with the exception of a couple of players, there is hardly a single thing I enjoy about Arsenal any longer. The whole corporate nature of the club sickens me. I am no longer prepared to hand my money over to people for whom winning trophies is a secondary concern. Wenger has become a cartoon figure held up to ridicule by everyone from Stoke fans to Match of the Day. Everything he does, from the post-match interviews to the announcement of the lucky programme numbers, has me cringing in my seat. What’s more, the bargain basement purchasing mentality is an insult to everybody who hands money to the club with the highest admission prices in the WORLD! So I have decided to act. I’ve had enough. I’M NOT GOING TO TAKE THIS ANYMORE! It is time to deny the Kroenke/Gazidis/Wenger triumvirate that which they cherish most of all, my money. I will not pay to attend another match while any of those three have anything to do with football club. Like others, I will place myself on the waiting list, but I will not take up anything the club offers me in terms of membership until Kroenke, Gazidis, and Wenger are gone...

  3. Mark rice

    Jun 04, 2012, 23:08 #23291

    Goonerdad ... So true ;0)

  4. The Noise

    Jun 04, 2012, 18:00 #23286

    Ahhh yes... The mystical 'Arsenal ST Waiting List' that all you Gooners claim have you over a barrel? Is this the same 'barrel' that's down to a 2 year waiting list? I heard of numerous people applying for a ST back in 2009 and being offered one this summer... And only last week, one who applied in 2010 and got one this summer... So, before you worry about never getting back to 'The Home of Football' again, perhaps listen to the amount of people being offered ST's within 2 years and the dwindling attendance levels at the Grove! Suddenly, that 'barrel' will look like a stepping stone! Don't be held to ransom by lies!

  5. Goonerdad

    Jun 04, 2012, 8:48 #23266

    Mark Rice - not forgetting the boys you sit with for the last 16 years............!!

  6. Mark Rice

    Jun 03, 2012, 23:03 #23263

    Yes I did .. See my mates at the tollington, chips with lumanus curry sauce, beers at half time, banter, beat spuds 5 -2 (example) beers a the Herbert Chapman after and abuse away coaches ..then out in Upper Street after.... I'm missing it already ...... Things aren't that bad everybody, yes it's frustraiting but the season has just finished lets give the management a chance before we all start to implode with doom!!

  7. Ron

    Jun 03, 2012, 19:59 #23262

    No. ive done. Not all Arsenals fault though. I dont reckon football generally is worth those prices and most the Prem players wages are obsene. Im not subsidizing the big SKY fueled rip off any longer. Oct 1964 first match v Orient. Last one was QPR 2011. Over and out. I do hope you young fans get the thrills and exitement from the Club that ive had. The low points and epoch s are all forgotten.

  8. Goonerdad

    Jun 03, 2012, 16:31 #23261

    I renewed my two - so there!

  9. Gee

    Jun 03, 2012, 15:28 #23260

    Everyone slagging off Kroenke but Wenger is given all available funds to spend on squad. The fact he chooses to use the money paying Djourou and Diaby £55k a week is not Kroenkes fault. Wenger is the one who f***ed about all last summer deluding himself into thinking Nasri and Cesc were staying. F***ing about and dilly dallying over if he wanted to pay the money for Mata. Eventually getting Mertesacker and Arteta on deadline day along with PArk and Santos. Buying Joel Campbell as back up striker when he had no chance of getting permit. Wenger has lost the f***ing plot! Yet still people say it is all Kroenkes fault! If anything Kroenke should be more demanding of Wenger and tell him we want to win the league so go and get the players you need with the funds available. It's Wenger who has the say in all transfers. If he thinks he has the squad he won't spend anything.

  10. reg new

    Jun 03, 2012, 13:36 #23259

    arsene said new signings by start of euro,s with all the players he,s signed we could win all four comps

  11. AFC not PLC

    Jun 03, 2012, 13:30 #23258

    @Bendtner wants a rise You are spot on.The club have the fans over a barrel.If you dont renew you go to the bottom of the 40,000 waiting list.What sort of a choice is that.We want our Arsenal back.I hate the manager the board and 70% of our players

  12. Andrew Cohen

    Jun 03, 2012, 10:01 #23257

    Have done so, but only because the seats are good and I don't wish to lose them. The tickets are quite near the front of our section and there aren't any synaptic amputees who wish to stand up all game obstructing the very expensive view. Their attention span doesn't last long enough to have processed Hillsborough or the Taylor report which followed it. I'm very grateful to them though, because they have reminded me of something I dislike and resent more than the prospect of what feels like Arsene Wenger's diamond jubilee in charge.

  13. Yoda

    Jun 03, 2012, 8:56 #23256

    Gone he is, Wenger consumed by the dark side of the force!

  14. fozzy's mate

    Jun 03, 2012, 8:45 #23255

    Mandy, nothing wrong with your admiration of Wenger, with this board he has kept us half competitive. But at a club of club of our size, stature etc. We cannot simply plod on trophy less selling our best players every season. Something has gotta give and it could be DDT selling to the Oligarch once the share price has reached the summit of everest. But if not and the status quo remains with us hamstrung by both DDT and OGL's insistence on giving the unproven deadwood huge contracts which no other club will come near to Wenger may have to give way. The boards reasoning for inflating prices in order to compete in the market are something they simply have not done. Our transfer fees paid against those received reveals all. The purchases in price and quality are in general second tier, while the sales are in the top tier. How many players have we sold for 15 million and well above without ever paying such a price? 13 years after selling Anelka for 20 million plus our transfer record paid hovers around 15 million. But back in the days of Anelka we were regulalrly buying at around the 10 million mark, yet 13 years on that is the level we are shopping at which given inflation is the equivalent of 3-4 million in 1999.

  15. Bendtner wants a rise

    Jun 03, 2012, 8:05 #23254

    Most fans who have renewed are doing it with a gun to their head not out of choice.If they dont renew they go to the bottom of the waiting list.That is not a choice,its blackmail.No one who had a free choice would renew given the way the club is being managed and run

  16. Ronster

    Jun 02, 2012, 23:49 #23253

    Don't renew and send your money to Frank McLintock....he earnt the grand total of £90,000 in his entire 20 year career....

  17. Harold

    Jun 02, 2012, 23:40 #23252

    Mandy 'Dana Scully' Dodd- Re the 'circumstances' Wenger has faced in recent years, you mean like the one where he has had £50m burning a hole in his pocket since August? Or the one where Gazidis publicly stated that 'all the money we generate is available for Arsene to spend'? The only people at Arsenal enduring 'circumstances' are the fans when they have to listen to Wenger tell them that fourth place is a trophy and that he'd happily sign up for us finishing second for the next 20 years.

  18. james brown

    Jun 02, 2012, 19:34 #23251

    trouble

  19. Yanto

    Jun 02, 2012, 17:47 #23250

    Not only does it feel like we're being made mugs of, but the club don't care what we say or do, because they know there is a long, long line of people who will readily believe and support whatever they're told and stump up the wonga for ST's...and buy all the merchandise and concessionaries there is to be had. KERRRRRRCHHINNNGGGGGGGGGG!

  20. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Jun 02, 2012, 17:33 #23249

    I have nothing new to add to the debate....however, if anyone wants a laugh, check out Bendnter's miss when clean through, round about 68 minutes into the Denmark v Australia friendly. Comes complete with the vacant gormless stare and slack - jawed gum chewing we know and love. Cheers Nick!

  21. Brigham

    Jun 02, 2012, 16:49 #23248

    Been a season ticket holder for many years, but I have not renewed yet and not sure if I will. Most of that decision is more to do with the fact I lost my job recently and the new job I have is half the wage. That aside, I am fed up paying for steak and being served horsemeat!

  22. Gare Kekeke

    Jun 02, 2012, 16:31 #23247

    Did I renew my season ticket? Yes, but only because of my love for The Arsenal and not certain individuals. But that doesn’t mean to say that I trust Wenger and the money-orientated board led by the DDT. The ever increasing wage bill is worry for Gooners like me but there are some Gooners who seem to think it’s a myth that we have average players earning fortunes. For those who doubt the wage bill is extremely high, have a word with the AST and the Daily Mirror’s John Cross. It was Cross who revealed the real reason why Bendtner’s squad number went up and that the likes of Denilson, Diaby et al are earning fortunes and he’s a so-called AKB. Wenger deserves a lot of credit for what he has done for the club overall but I don’t think he will put on his magic hat and reproduce the glory of old. Go on Arsene, prove people like me wrong. The lack of trophies is not the issue with me but the fact that last season we didn’t even compete is what irritates me more. And when we had the chance to end the barren run against the relegation bound Brummie Bluenoses in February 2011, we still came up short. That should have been the realisation that changes were badly needed instead too many at the club saw it as a blip, a result that didn’t matter in the grand scheme of things. Actually it did because it took the players months to recover from that setback and the others that followed. I personally won’t criticise those who chose not to renew and in some ways I don’t blame them either. I see these people of supporters of The Arsenal, regardless of whoever the manager is and whoever is running the club. Sure there are those on the waiting list who will take up the opportunity to buy a season ticket but to me these people, and I could so easily be wrong here, probably think that Wenger & the board are doing everything right and that we have a squad that is at best 90% comparable with the Manchester clubs & Chelsea. There are things that those at the top do right but they also possess an arrogance that they are never wrong and past mistakes are through no fault of our own. Hence why those at the top make the same mistakes every year. Let’s see what summer 2012 brings us. Up The Arsenal!

  23. clockendpaul

    Jun 02, 2012, 16:15 #23246

    Have not renewed, 27 years i've had my ticket, fed up with being treated as if i'm stupid by the yanks and the bull****ing frenchman.

  24. Jason B

    Jun 02, 2012, 14:13 #23245

    Yep,i've paid up.23rd year in a row.Misguided? yes.Insane? Yes.I could think of better things to do with my money,but i can't.Most of my friends and family support West Ham and envy us gooners!! Therefore,i'll be there next season.In fact,i was there before & i'll be there long after Kronke,Wenger,e.t.c have gone elsewhere.

  25. Gooner S

    Jun 02, 2012, 14:04 #23244

    Assuming one has the cash to spend then...... If your motives behind renewing were to see Arsenal win trophies then you shouldn't have renewed....there are no guarantees in life, neither in football. If you were holding out to see more big name signings then you shouldn't have renewed. If you don't like the manager or the board then why would you renew? If you want to see good football every other week, see your team win more games than they lose and be entertained then you should have renewed. I renewed. The only thing I thought closely about was the money. £1075 is a lot of money. But I do love going and as Er Indoors said "if you don't go you only be miserable wishing you had gone", "Go while you can".

  26. Mandy Dodd

    Jun 02, 2012, 12:11 #23243

    Fozzys mate, think you get me slightly wrong, I am no defender of Kronke - and yes, I would question his ambition for the club, nor am I advocating hoarding money if indeed this is what is happening, I just admire Wenger for keeping us where we are under the circumstances he has faced in recent years, and is probably still facing. I have a feeling those who want Usmanov involved will get their wish if Kronke really is all about acquiring money, but I have concerns about that as well, that would be short term glory but....possibly.. long term uncertainty

  27. Peter Wain

    Jun 02, 2012, 11:55 #23242

    I cannot believe this transfer window its just like last year. Big player Nasri year to go on contract won't sign so Wenger says we will keep him until his contract runs out. Upshot sell him in August and no adequate replacement signed. This year RVP won't sign Wenger says we will keep him until his contract runs out. August???? Why oh why did not Gazidis not draw up a contract last year for RVP so that we avert this problem. Why oh why is Gazidis still at the club he is a third rate performer at best. The same with Walcott. He will leave this year and no replecement. But dont worry we will keep denilson Park and Chamak. Never know he may add to hs goalscoring feat of last year. So yet again other teams go out buy players and we are left in August where we will be buying second rate rubbish at inflated prices just to compete for fouth place and when we finish third job done and we do not need major investment. Our management have learnt nothing in seven years and unless the ethos at the club is changed we will never win another trophy.

  28. Angry & Frustrated

    Jun 02, 2012, 11:22 #23240

    @Gooner Ron, the word detest is indeed a strong word to use in reference to how the club is run currently, and no I don't want the club to be run like Citeh or Chelski where throwing money about is the only solution to any problem. What I want is upfront honesty from Arsenal, not the current lying year in year out at this time of year just to get us to cough up our money. If they were honest and said yes you are being asked to pay the highest prices in world football, and no we have no intention of at the very least using all the resources available to us to try to compete but instead intend to continue to make profits from player trading knowing by doing this we will not have a cat in hells chance of winning the only two trophies we feel fit to try to compete for, then we would not be being led up the garden path! Instead we get the opposite year in year out and it's this that I detest. Most fans who are opposed to the way the way the club is currently run do not want us to go down the Citeh/Chelski route, but want the club as a bare minimum to use the resources available to them rather than the current situation of having circa £140 million in cash reserves. If as is the case they have no intention of competing in the transfer market why do they charge the highest prices not just for going to games, but also simply for the priveledge of buying a ticket via the membership scheme which is the price of one game on it's own? I can go on and on if you want me to, but many before me have already listed all the negatives about what's currently wrong at the club, but people like you always seem to think that we want a Citeh/Chelski model when we complain, and in most cases that's not the case. We just want to be treated with respect and honesty and be valued, rather than being viewed simply as a cash cow ready to be milked to the extreme, but given little in return, other than lies and finding new ways of fleecing a captive audience!

  29. Jackson

    Jun 02, 2012, 10:39 #23239

    Gave up my ST 3 years ago as i had had enough i could see what was coming and will continue to happen under Wenger and Kroenke.Sell our best players buy cheap rubbish to replace them.Every season is now Groundhog season.When 10 years ago we were disappointed if we finished 2nd i have now been told to be happy when we finish 3rd or 4th EVERY year because believe it or not its a trophy!!!.Why would i give the club nearly a grand to see them give losers like Diaby Almunia Denilson Bender Park and Chamakh £50k a week.

  30. Trevor

    Jun 02, 2012, 10:25 #23238

    Gooner Ron you are joking arent you?We were always told Abramovich would get bored and walk away.Well they have just won the CL his dream.Yet they have bought Hazard and will buy Hulk as well.Thats what we need an owner willing to put his money where his mouth his.I hate it that Chelsea are now the Champions of Europe and that they have won ten trophies since are last won.We are never ever going to win anything under the Kroenke business model.Without money you cant buy the best players(Hazard or Gervinho????) without the best players you wont win trophies

  31. Fozzy's mate

    Jun 02, 2012, 10:24 #23237

    I think detest is taking a bit far and think that given the funds he has spent Wenger has done very well to keep us in the top 4. But now is the time to capitalise on the solid base by giving him more to spend and pushing onwards. Otherwise frustration will continue to build. One or two more decent signings to go with Podolski and RVP signing a new deal will excite people and relieve some of that anger and frustration! Especially if the Ox becomes the star of the euros he may well do. But if we are conservative this summer it may go the other way.

  32. Jock Gooner

    Jun 02, 2012, 8:35 #23234

    Our Russian shareholder has £6bn more than the chavs owner. He goes to games, he is pals with Dein, he probably understands the rules of the game. I'm not advocating a chavs style approach but the Russian with Dein to handle the money side of things would leave AW to concentrate on the team. Dein brought in Bergamp and Platt and sorted the money before AW came in, all AW had to say was yes or no to the player. Can we get back to a similar arrangement soon as please. Bottom line is until the board start suffering some verbal abuse at games they are happy enough with the way things are! No change. They know the fans are sheep at the end of the day......every body say baa!

  33. Moscow Gooner

    Jun 02, 2012, 8:20 #23233

    It would be helpful if the club followed Villa s lead and reintroduced standing areas - at lower prices. One positive feature of last season was that we seemed (in the middle of the North Bank) to be standing through the whole of many games without stewards running up and down trying to make us sit down...

  34. Unbeaten 03/04

    Jun 02, 2012, 0:27 #23231

    Don't renew and buy yourself something nice to make you happy for a a few month or few days :)

  35. JackL

    Jun 02, 2012, 0:24 #23230

    What a dilemma! I love Arsenal and my professional and my family life revolve around them-I've renewed our 5 season tickets (wife and 3 kids), and I've been going since 1963. But I'm so frustrated as each year we are almost there but falter towards the end (usually), and it's because of a relatively small bit of miserliness, not spending a million or two extra to make the difference. Remember not buying a centre back in January 2 seasons ago, etc etc . I guess, finances permitting, I will always renew as I love AFC, but I have given thought to not renewing for the first time, and I do wonder if I'm changing from an AKB to an AMG (horrible terms). Perhaps it will take a new manager to make the difference, one who can stand up to the board (but then one like that wouldn't be appointed in the first place). Is AW just a mouth for the board and doing just what they want (ie just a top 3 or 4 finish)? If not he should stand by his principles of trying to at least realistically challenge-if the board do not cooperate then threaten to resign? Just to add that I don't feel we get the rub of the green with referees-we all know those who are 'unfavourable' to us-and with those extra points (and penalties), we could be having a different conversation....

  36. fozzy's mate

    Jun 01, 2012, 23:12 #23228

    Thorpy - a decent stab but for me their is no choice attending every game at the soul less bowl and highbury before is as much part of me as everything else. As the man who coined the phrase Denver Dough Trouserer my feelings have always been clear on these pages. The likes of Joshua and Mandy May attack but look at the figures. Our dough will be trousered again as the cash reserve rises yet higher. Accept it or go crazy. Even Joe Fitzpatrick and Mr Exley the previously defenders of Kroenke, Gazidis and OGL have seen the light. The published accounts don't lie. Podolski as the rvp replacement was obvious from day open as has been the fake shock expressed when a myriad of players have been declared out for the season the day the window closes. But its either pay up or trail round tescos on a saturday.

  37. jjetplane

    Jun 01, 2012, 22:47 #23227

    I gave mine up 2004 and it was the perfect move cause I aint missed much and E.......... s does not do it for me though I am Holloway and thereabouts originally. Now watch occasional other division football and listen to the radio as in wallpaper.I was there when it was mental and fun! - 71 et al You know what my advice is - stop going until they become a football club again.

  38. GoonerRon

    Jun 01, 2012, 21:25 #23225

    Angry & Frustrated - you 'detest the way the club is run?' Very strong words indeed. Would you prefer a Leeds, Rangers, or Pompey business model? Or perhaps the Chelsea method of spending £100m of your season ticket money on poaching then sacking (translated: a succession of wrong decisions) a whole host of managers, or how about the Man Citeh model where we spend more on wages than our entire turnover whilst posting unsustainable losses that COULD collapse the club on the whim of a single persons desires? I personally prefer the approach that the long term future of the club is protected because we aren't reliant on one person to keep us afloat, where we are ambitious and brave enough to build a new stadium in one of the most expensive cities in world, funded ourselves and with debt quickly (relatively speaking) paid for by short term (relatively speaking) prudence in transfer spending. All underpinned by an absolute confidence in a manager who has kept the team competitive in cup finals, semi finals, league run in's and CL qualification during a time when net transfer spend has been the lowest of almost every premier league club, allied to reckless and unsustainable spending from a number of other clubs who are trying to get exactly where we are. I guarantee you that every club with the possible exception of Man U would swap place with our infrastructure and financial position. We aren't perfect and we need to adjust the playing squad and ensure the coaching changes already made can improve the defensive balance of the team, but I believe our approach should be applauded not criticised.

  39. lee afc

    Jun 01, 2012, 20:57 #23224

    sorry thorpy..your negativeness sums up many a gooner these days. Don't renew..its as simple as that..if you are not happy then allow someone else a chance to give their hard earned to the board. its a fact that there will be many takers...... just take a look at the figures..man city, chelsea, villa, liverpool making pre tax LOSSES of a combined £375million. our wage bill stands at fifth highest in the premier league. we cannot touch chelsea, city, utd and spurs in the transfer market (combined £270million)...money tells you where our league position is.

  40. JM - LONDON

    Jun 01, 2012, 20:28 #23223

    Odd that a few still seem keen to hang onto thier ST in the 'hope' and misguided 'belief' that we will actually start acting like the global club that we really are and start winning and dominating again. I see absolutely no strategy in place to do so whatsoever. Typically with the season over, and particularly with last seasons farce (8-2, Fabregas, Nasri etc), all our loanee, underperforming players are still with us, we have secured just one new signing and again look more and more likely to lose our start player and Captain!. Renew your season ticket? - thats exactly what I've done!!:)

  41. cj

    Jun 01, 2012, 19:21 #23222

    I got fed up with the nonsense a couple of years ago and gave back my season tickets of 35 years.Now I have silver and can still get tickets when I want. I enjoy it more when I go and dont regret it for a minute.

  42. Taxi for Wenger

    Jun 01, 2012, 18:35 #23221

    Dont fret Tight-arse Shambles has been found not guilty for a bit of touching no doubt he'll be linked to Arsenal on a free and he can single handedly shore up our defence. Although he'll need 60k a week to help pay his legal fees as he is a bit of a toucher just what our manager likes and he can be our 2nd world class per-season signing.

  43. son of the rebellion

    Jun 01, 2012, 18:18 #23220

    How about an online petition to show STAN K that we are not powerless to his miserly ways,I suggest name and season ticket number,Silvers and red,threats of a mass boycott or else!how many would put up or shut up!i think the majority are not happy!lets find out?shouldnt be too difficult what with forums and fanzines getting involved TOGETHER WE ARE STRONG!let the online gooner lead the way forward i say!

  44. Big Andy

    Jun 01, 2012, 17:45 #23219

    I wonder if they've asked Van Persie to wait until after 1st of June to announce that he's leaving?

  45. Gooner Tom

    Jun 01, 2012, 17:17 #23218

    My heart won this battle, but it was close this time, my love for the arsenal won againts my dislike of Mr Kroenke and what they have turned our club into. What could follow now deadline day has passed, is us selling RVP, with us already having his replacement mr Lukas Podolski, and a nice £20 mill profit for the american fella? I really hope not, but sadly this seems to be the arsenal way now! Arsenal4life.

  46. Ealing Gooner

    Jun 01, 2012, 15:42 #23217

    Some good points made, but I doubt whether giving up your season ticket will affect Kroenke too much, I would guess there's still enough people on the waiting list to make up for it. At the end of the day, all the money men at Arsenal care about is that the season tickets are sold, they don't care who buys them (whether they have supported AFC for 50 years, or if they've never been to a game in their life) and they don't even care if they actually turn up because they will still announce a 60,000 "attendance" at every game, only when the waiting list reaches zero will they start worrying.

  47. Angry & Frustrated

    Jun 01, 2012, 14:52 #23216

    If you genuinly want to see change, and an end to the current happy to finish fourth regime, and also witness further unheard of bargain basement transfers from the French league arriving, then don't renew. If you on the other hand still somehow believe that next season things will be different (God knows how anybody with an ounce of intelligence would think that) then go ahead give Stan his money, but don't then bitch all season long about the direction the club is going in, as you are one of the very people who has ok'd that direction. Simple choice really, and for the record I stopped attending or giving a single penny of my money to the current regime 3 years ago. I do still love the club with all my heart, but detest the way it's run, where coming in potless year after year is celebrated in the board room. Hence I am not a hypocritical moaner, but someone who is prepared to follow his convictions. These are that by starving the board of money is the only way to enforce change, as it's the only language they understand. More importantly it's the only thing they are interested in, and hence why I don't give them any of my hard earned cash for them to simply bank and increase the already overflowing cash reserves!!

  48. Preston Gooner

    Jun 01, 2012, 14:47 #23215

    Go with your heart. If you don't renew then someone else will take your seat. The Ameriacn knows this and that's why he's not worried. You'll still be watching Arsenal long after he has gone. Keep the faith, the good times will return. By the way, I'm just a red member, but I will always renew because as you pointed out WE are the club.

  49. Highbury Spy

    Jun 01, 2012, 13:44 #23211

    Good post Thorpy. Like your friend I am wavering and have had a season ticket since the early 1980s. If we're not going to compete with Man City and Chelsea (and Man United)what is the point of forking out £1,395 a season to finish at best in third or fourth place? Until Usmanov takes the club over, and we do genuinely compete, we are stuck in this never ending spiral of groundhog day when third is seen as a trophy. The Denver Dough Trouserer hasn't put a penny of his own money into the club and until he does or sells out to Usmanov it will never change. Hands up now those who still think Stan was the better option? I got slaughtered in the Gooner for suggesting the club would stagnate under his chairmanship, and it has.

  50. Eton Old Boy Network

    Jun 01, 2012, 13:38 #23210

    Look here, you disgusting affront to all that is good in humanity – what the devil is all this utter bilge regarding the possibility of not renewing those season tickets? Have you any idea of how much it costs to kit out a new wardrobe at Gieves and Hawkes? And what on earth is all this scurrilous babble about that splendid American fellow, Mr Kroenke? A finer, truer gentleman would be impossible to find. Why, only the last time this country was graced with his presence (actually, now I think about it – the only time, but no matter) we all in the Board met up over a not too disagreeable lunch at the Ivy where he sat and listened to the thoughts of my distinguished colleagues. Finally, over a not too shabby pawpaw sorbet, he leaned forward and said to me in that marvellously refined drawl of his, ‘You’ve been very quiet up until now...anything you think I need to consider?’ Although admittedly I had taken advantage of a rather fine 1970 Fronseca vintage Port, I replied quick as a flash ‘Never wear brown shoes when wearing formal wear. Awfully bad form.’ I could tell immediately that he was impressed at this pearl of wisdom by the way he looked at me in complete silence. Unfortunately, he must have had a bout of wind at the time, judging by the pained look on his face – poor chap! Now get the old folding stuff in the post tout de suite. Reprehensible riffraff.

  51. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 01, 2012, 13:26 #23209

    Well the denver dough trouserer has got my dough and no doubt a lot of other fans as well.The cheques have been cashed already and the dough sitting nice and comfy in the bank. The chances of our money been spent the way we want it is very slim indeed.Having RVP signed to a new deal this early was wishful thinking by us all as for more quality in and the dead wood out it's early days yet of course and as usual we'll have to wait and see we've all become very good at that over the years.A good point about our scouting system it was said at one time it was the best in the prem thats not the case anymore.

  52. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Jun 01, 2012, 12:50 #23208

    I would love to fire something to Denver!!! A nuke for a start

  53. Gazza

    Jun 01, 2012, 12:41 #23207

    not while the online booking and ticket office is not working you couldn't make it up

  54. Resistance is Futile

    Jun 01, 2012, 12:31 #23204

    I decided not to renew but ultimately it's meaningless- there will ALWAYS be 'fans' prepared to step in and take your place if you don't want it. Most people are sheep I'm sorry to say.

  55. Tony Evans

    Jun 01, 2012, 12:21 #23202

    Easy short answer from me - no!

  56. kenny

    Jun 01, 2012, 12:17 #23201

    Like the Gooner above I thought hard & long regarding renewal,not this year but last season when they humped another 6.5% on my ticket.With the extra cost of ticket & travel I opted to loan my ticket to another Gooner.When the August debacle occurred I sighed with relief.I've done the same this year as I'm unable to take the stress watching live.At least its not so painful at home watching as I can turn it off.I can't see any quality,mature players coming to Arsenal until there's a monumental shake up on the coaching staff.Fans weren't turning up two years ago in the stadium,remember the jeers when the capacity total was announced?"60 thousand one hundred & thirty or some such figure."When looking round empty seats were glaringly obvious.My money won't be going in until changes are made,if ever.

  57. goonercolesyboy

    Jun 01, 2012, 12:13 #23200

    I will again stump up the cash, haven't done it yet, but for the first time in a long time I just wonder whether my investment in this great club is completely justified. I have said many times on here to support your team through thick and thin, good times and bad times so will continue to do just that, support my team but I do hate the fact that there is that minute doubt in the back of my mind....

  58. Leo zis

    Jun 01, 2012, 12:00 #23199

    Cry the beloved Club... :(

  59. Judge Fred

    Jun 01, 2012, 11:36 #23197

    Decision made here: no renewal. £3k for 2 season tickets is just not worth it any more. I would be happy to pay the highest prices in world football to see the best players in world football but I am not even seeing the best players in London. I have been lied to by the club who promised me that we would be competing with the best teams in Europe as a result of our stadium move. In fact, we have gone backwards and whilst doing so, I refuse to line their pockets.

  60. Fozzy

    Jun 01, 2012, 11:13 #23196

    Being in the enviable position of regularly standing (we don't sit) between Thorpy and Fozzy's Mate, I have this feeling we will all be back again next year. The alternative is not worth thinking about. It fills me with dread having to try to watch on some dodgy webstream or having to listen to that obnoxious little twat on Five Live. Even when we are treated to the game on Sky, up pops one of the original Ugly Sisters who has gone from the weak link in the ManUre team to being a world expert on the game. For all the Thorpy's out there in the same position of making a decision of whether to cough up or not, I suppose the halfway stage is to go silver and take what comes.

  61. Mike

    Jun 01, 2012, 11:13 #23195

    I know hundreds of people who will take your ticket, myself included - As I said before, Hazard has a very short CV for the money that was wanted - also it will be very interesting to see if there are (hopefully not) any big time players with injuries after the Euros -I would suspect that RVP will ask to see that contract again if he picks one up,

  62. Ramgun

    Jun 01, 2012, 10:52 #23193

    After 57 years support, the last 35 of them as a season-ticket holder, the answer to your question is NO.

  63. James M

    Jun 01, 2012, 10:24 #23192

    Its like buying a car without an engine.Thats what your are doing throwing good money away.You are just buying into Wenger's failed project.Once the season ticket money has come in RVP will go.Its obvious to anyone that Podolski is RVP's replacement.Hazard M'Villa and Gotze your having a laugh

  64. DGooner

    Jun 01, 2012, 10:17 #23191

    Problem is if you give it up, you lose it. If you want a new ST (when the club picks up) then by then the waiting list would be growing again. I opted to renew mine, but this is last chance saloon. If I see no improvement to the squad this summer then next year I doubt I'll renew. Also in the back of my mind, next year will be the year my ST (currently £985) will go over the £1000 mark - having not increased the price for a couple years I feel they definitely will next year. TBH it's daylight robbery, our cheapest ST is more expensive the Manyoo's highest - work that one out!

  65. Christopher McGivern

    Jun 01, 2012, 9:56 #23190

    I've let mine expire, £2k is too much for such mediocrity and I can't bring myself to watch from steerage where you need binoculars. Having said that I will be going straight back on the waiting list where I hope to be offered a new ticket in the next 3 - 4 years when the club might have changed direction.

  66. Kenny

    Jun 01, 2012, 9:53 #23189

    I gave up my season ticket in 2009 and havent regretted it.The board and the manager take the fans for fools.Highest ticket prices in the world for a top 4 finish.Slash the wages of players who are average and slash the ticket prices by at least a quarter.Remember its through your ticket prices that Denilson Diaby Bendtner Almunia Chamakh and Park are pocketting £2.5m pounds a year each

  67. Chris

    Jun 01, 2012, 9:48 #23188

    Just about bang on I'd say.