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Pre-season optimism?

Stapleton – Arsenal were a selling club before Wenger


I had to write in response to what I view as the consistent misrepresentation of the club by many who blog and comment on this site when they scream that they ‘want their club back’ and how Arsenal ‘has become’ a selling club.

Arsenal has not recently become a selling club it always has been. Frank Stapleton & Viv Anderson both went to Manure during the 80s and some may even remember a chap called Liam Brady who left for Juve! In fact there are only two non selling clubs in world football – Real Madrid and Barcelona and even Barca lost Figo to Real Madrid. Arsenal never has been and never will be the biggest club in the world which means that there will always be teams willing to pay bigger fees & salaries for players – why do people find this concept so hard to understand!?

Moving onto the ‘I want my club back’ brigade. Season after season the final standings reflect the cost in wages and salaries afforded by the clubs with the odd overachiever; the Spuds a few years back, the Geordies last season, Everton year after year and yes Arsenal 2002 & 2004! The clubs that overreach Leeds, Pompey, Rangers et al should need no further explanation. Arsenal has decided not to indebt the club (other than the stadium) with the tainted bi$$ions of Usmanov and has instead decided to go down the path of self sustainability and I am pleased that they have made this decision.

There is enormous criticism that many of the directors have made themselves rich from selling shares etc which is due to a number of factors; football’s meteoric financial rise, a brand new stadium in an expensive part of town (which took an enormous amount of expertise and financial savvy) and Wenger’s ability to get the team qualifying for the Champions League year after year. I can’t begrudge the directors their fortune, nor can I demand that they spend it (speculate) on buying players and I can only imagine that the majority of those who feel that they should would quite happily keep hold of the money for themselves were they in the same position. Arsenal is a very well run business which makes money year after year so if you were a director why would you jeopardise that in an effort to reach the ‘holy grail’? Especially when you see how fine the margins are as Man City demonstrated last season in only winning the title with the last kick despite spending zillions. In this respect I agree with the editor’s assessment (which is rare) that the club’s hierarchy is content with Champions League qualification and will not overstretch for more.

Whilst I can understand this stance and I can understand them not ploughing their personal profits into the club, after all even £100million will only buy you one Sergio Aguero on a 5 year contract, I do think that they have made a huge blunder in consistently raising prices, and especially that of the red and silver membership, as it comes across as pure greed and taking the hard core fans for granted. On this issue the board deserves maximum criticism.

Which brings me to the team. We do not have unlimited funds but we do have more money than we spend which is not due to the board but the manager. ‘Project youth’ was born of necessity but has been kept alive through obstinacy. Given the power of players, even young players (Daniel Sturridge is a good example), it is understandable that they are put on decent contracts (another criticism of Wenger) and we have to accept that it will not always work out. Unfortunately, we currently have a clutch of players whose wages far outstrip their talent which has given the ‘Wenger out’ posse plenty of ammunition - Bendtner, Denilson, Diaby (it makes you weep just listing them) - but there has also been Fabregas, Clichy, Kolo all on long contracts which benefitted the club as we received substantial transfer fees. However, frustratingly over each of the past 4 seasons it has been clear that had we bought just a maximum of three established players we could easily have won something and maybe even the title as the league winners in 2009, 2010 and 2011 were not of a particularly high standard.

As for this season I veer towards the pessimistic as yes we’ll have a good chance of finishing in the top four and yes we’ll probably qualify for the Champions League knock out stages but with just a few well placed additions we could actually achieve a trophy. Due to good management we have got this far but without breaking the bank we could hit the jackpot. With Song we’ll finish top 6 but with a player like M’vila maybe champions, Santos/Gibbs are top 6 players Baines is top 2. More crucially, and this is the main drawback of the project, you cannot keep hold of the class players you already have forever as they will lose patience and want to move on if you do not invest in some proven players as has happened with Percy & Nasri (and Jack?) which means you are forever rebuilding the foundations.

Cazorla would be a great signing, and would mean that we’ve replaced RvP, Park and Shakatak for Giroud, Cazorla and Poldi which when settled is a clear improvement but for me to really believe we need M’vila, a decent left back and a back up keeper. So close yet so far.


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  1. Rocky RIP

    Jul 31, 2012, 22:14 #24881

    I think you misinterpret the 'I want my Arsenal back brigade'. Their beef isn't all about the club selling top players. As you say, we've always been medium range spenders and selling top players is nothing new. (Although serial captain sellers is a poor show. It used to be an honour.)The cry to have their club back is based on the relationship between the club and its fans which has been eroded according to many. It's based on the club's identity. A classic case in point being the current crest and the ditching of THE away kit - yellow and blue - OUR kit. Things that make us proud of our great club. The art deco crest totally overlooked. (A design classic.) It's about feeling alienated by the club we love. Hardcore fans priced out and replaced by tourists, JCLs and fickle corporates. Some people look around and don't recognise the club they fell in love with. They want it back and want real fans back, people who live, breathe & sh*t Arsenal, with players who love Arsenal and a club run by men who are Arsenal fans as well as businessmen (eg. Danny Fiszman, RIP.)Maybe it's a symptom of modern football and not just us, but that's what people mean when they say they want their club back.

  2. RJ

    Jul 31, 2012, 10:38 #24866

    @Joe S - Given their fitness status, I think in September AW will be talking about Giroud and Podolski being like new signings. As to your comment about RVP - my view is that RVP this season would not be a replacement for RVP from last season - golden age over, great 18 months - thanks - but looked off the pace in the Euros (but i have never worked a day in football). It would be incredible if he got the same tally again - Messi, Ronaldo (and to a lesser extent Rooney) prove it season in, season out - RVP has not done that - and I think he knew the game was up, which is why he tried to force a lucratvie deal NOW rather see his stock fall over the next season.

  3. E5 Gooner

    Jul 31, 2012, 9:31 #24865

    You wanna forward this to the directors mate, you might get a job on the board.I know its rose-tinted but I like to think of us as a club still and not a business as you put it.

  4. Tony Evans

    Jul 31, 2012, 8:13 #24864

    Norfolk Gooner - As you say we certainly have been here before but Wenger goes blindly on and another season will be over before it has even really started.

  5. DW Thomas

    Jul 31, 2012, 3:40 #24863

    Chelsea, city, liverpool, united sell, but only in situations like Sivestre to guess who??? Bargain buying Arsenal, that's who. Until we buy real quality(not wenger's picks) or bring thru 10 jack wilsheres who aren't overplayed into year long injuries we will continue to be 2nd best. We still need an overhaul through the club. I would not have said this a few years ago. Now it is evident. U can lie to yourself as a fan but this team will not get close. 19 points to close down? No way. We need 3-4 good new players just to maintain.

  6. Joe S.

    Jul 30, 2012, 23:40 #24862

    RJ and his accolytes, if RVP isn't Messi then what does that make Podolski and Giroud; pub footballers obviously. I don't know how you guys see a game of football, but I guess anyone wearing an Arsenal shirt on the sacred turf automatically qualifies as a decent footballer.

  7. Mark Rice

    Jul 30, 2012, 21:14 #24861

    Egh? You defend the path we take then say if we add M'Vila vs Song we will come top!!! yes we probably would but we won't make the singing and will finish 6th thats why we're a selling club and will never get any bigger with the manager and board we are stuck with! PS are Man City and Chelsea selling clubs? And

  8. norfolk gooner

    Jul 30, 2012, 18:58 #24860

    @ Tony Evans, You can add Sagna and Rosicky to that list mate and with possibly no Rvp things are looking desperate.Do you get the feeling we've been here before!I bet we'll be at least 10pts behind United and City by mid October and therefore out of the title race. Happy F-----g Days!!!

  9. john hawley's boots

    Jul 30, 2012, 17:16 #24859

    Fine article. And that's the problem isn't it, for those of us who have fallen out of love with the game but still keep an eye on results? Arsenal's business model is working. Simple. we're kidding ourselves if those in charge will change anything. Wenger is a pragmatist and the devil on his shoulder (Dein) is long gone......

  10. Ron

    Jul 30, 2012, 15:11 #24858

    RJ - Totally correct. RVP isnt in the same bracket as the likes of those you mention. His injury record scuppered that and at 29 hes not going to get there either. In my view he never would have done, even without the injuries.Due to this, Arsenal (in my view) are on the quiet happy to sell him knowing full well that another year like last year isnt very likely. To be honest i reckon even Van P in his private moments knows that hes 'peaked'.

  11. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Jul 30, 2012, 14:42 #24857

    when we sold Brady and Stapleton we were set back 7 years. The proplem was we would not pay the going wage for the top players.we then wasted money on various players one of which was told by a top player of another club that he would not let him in his pub team.We got lucky with a good youth team that led the way for GG to do his stuff. I know city,chelsea and man u have changed the game with money from various methods,but we need to do things another way. Sofar this summer we seem to be

  12. RJ

    Jul 30, 2012, 13:55 #24856

    @billthered - Look at RVP average over the long-term. One golden season etc - yes, the boy is a talent, but he has had a golden period free of injury - and even the cash-swilling loons at City can see that he is not worth what he thinks he is. I hope we get a good fee for him, but I fear he (and you) believe his own propaganda and think he is a superstar - he is not a Messi, Ronaldo or even a Rooney yet.

  13. John Lynch

    Jul 30, 2012, 13:47 #24855

    You need to get your facts straight mate . Liam Brady sat down in 1980 with the board, he sought an assurance that the club were going to sign new, quality players , such as Bryan Robson and / or Mark Lawrenson to strengthen the squad. He was prepared to NOT sign for Juventus . No such assurance was forthcoming and the rest is history. We had a chance to retain the best player in the world and we let him go. So, get it straight when you're talking about our legends.

  14. billthered

    Jul 30, 2012, 12:18 #24854

    When RVP signs for citeh we need to sign someone who can get 30 or more goals this season just to stand still,not move the club forward and the last time I looked RVP was the top scorer in the premiership last season so there is no one there who can replace him,so perhaps Messi or Ronaldo is on his way to the Grove and Wenger is keeping it a huge secret.

  15. Tony Evans

    Jul 30, 2012, 8:17 #24853

    Podolski and Giroud not fit to start the season, Wilshire out until October (so that's January at the earliest)and already Wenger is saying Wilshire and Diaby will be 'like two new signings'. I think this all adds up to pre season pessimism.

  16. Moscow Gooner

    Jul 30, 2012, 6:22 #24852

    I love the comment on Usmanov s 'tainted billions' - a convenient excuse for the board failing to fund the business properly, but quite why they re 'tainted' as opposed to Kroenke s billions is never made clear. Watched the team in Hong Kong yesterday drawing 2-2 with Kitchee: OK a meaningless friendly but all the trademark problems were there: over elaboration in the build up; reluctance to shoot; sloppy defending; poor distribution from the keeper etc etc. But as a comment on the business model...when I was there in 1994 to see Arsenal play, fewer than 10 000 in the stadium, and only a few hundred Arsenal supporters in evidence; yesterday a 42 000 sell out with about 30 000 wearing (new) Arsenal shirts.

  17. CountVonRothchild

    Jul 29, 2012, 21:43 #24851

    Don´t get it... Why should football be the only thing that shouldn´t go into debt? You have to spectulate to accumulate. Are the Gooners so holy that everything has to be purer than pure? The money for Nasri, henry, cesc, adebayor, clichy etc has contributed to other clubs debt and now lines the pockets of Kroenke et al is that clean money? It´s like a big fish tank, all the clubs in there together feeding off each other... so are the Gooners the only ones not peeing in the water? Don´t think so.

  18. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 29, 2012, 16:55 #24850

    Good shout Wombledin thats all we want and have wanted for quite a while pity the powers that be don't feel the same.

  19. DW Thomas

    Jul 29, 2012, 16:39 #24849

    I think i finally fully realized what Wenger's main issue is. U can't polish a turd! Meaning, he tries to make a winning team out of players that just don't have the talent or character. Denilson the perfect example. We buy average to decent players, not top quality, and hope they come good. When they do they're looking for the exit door. It is totally obvious how overwhelming Wenger's EGO is to the club's success. Just look at whi Chelsea bought this summer, and they just won the CL! Hazard and Oscar, two of the best young talent in the world! I love Jack Wilshere, but he is out till Oct, had one really good season , and was overplayed by our over the hill manager. And people r still saying Wenger has mojo? U r having a laugh!

  20. GoonerGoal!

    Jul 29, 2012, 15:36 #24848

    @Seven Kings Gooner … I understand perfectly, but we must ask, WHY are we so defensively inept in every situation? The answer is really simple - Wenger! At the other end of the scale, why do we so rarely score from offensive corners and free-kicks? Once again, the answer is simple - Wenger! I am told that the team spend virtually no time on the training pitch working on offensive set pieces, or any defensive situations at all. If he really was any longer all about the football, Wenger would know that “failure to prepare is preparing to fail…” but these days he’s only about the money. How else would you explain spending more time in the air than on the training pitch over the past eight days, just two weeks from our opening Premier League fixture? From what we've seen so far, it's likely to be a long slog of a season. VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  21. MRMROD

    Jul 29, 2012, 13:55 #24847

    Aware at all times that its "about fitness" at this stage of the season but two shambolic goals conceeded against KitChee (who?!) and for talks sake, 4 out of 9 points on a 3 match pre season (marketing!) tour of Asia does not inspire one with confidence...hope this isnt a sign of things to come. Miguel, Bartley, Aneke, Afobe, Ryo, Blah, blah and blah will probably join the ever growing list of simply- not- good- enough before being shipped off elsewhere. I say get quality in now the form of Cazorla (this week!) AND with Wilshire out until October and a Diaby injury inevitable we should get M'Villa in too. I still believe we should also acquire Hugo Lloris seeing as he's up for grabs, and let Flappyhandski and Mannone go the way of Almunia...its a cynical Sunday.

  22. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jul 29, 2012, 12:33 #24846

    I am going to try one last time to get this message across to my fellow Gooners : I can put up with the dozen or so players that no one wants, I can tolerate the endless spinning about finishing fourth being "a trophy" and I can even accept buying younger players to sell on for a premium a few years later. I can, on one of my better days, laugh at the phenomena of our captains leaving every year! I cannot however cope with our pathetic lack of proper defensive coaching. I have lost count of the number of times we have lost the ball over the last few seasons and I have turned to anyone listening, to tell them "thats a goal", only to be proven right. Our defending sends me nearly insane at times and today's 2-2 draw with Kitchee was just another example of our lack of understanding at how we should play when not in possession of the ball! Until this faultline is closed we will never win anything! Do you all now understand?

  23. Joe S.

    Jul 29, 2012, 10:08 #24845

    Agree totally with Nekuhan that Arsenal's recruiting policy is failing, the deadwood and last Summer's last minute panic rush are testimant to that. also outside of Jack Wiltshire where exactly is the golden generation of youth to set us on the path to future success. The players Nekuhan highlighted were not at that time going for exorbitant sums, and it was either bad judgment or fiscal short sightedness which possibly led to Arsenal missing out. On the other hand we did get Park, Charmack Cyngen,Squillaci.. Judging from his recent comments Arsene appears the whole business of aquiring and seeling players distainful which puts his club at a severe disadvantage in the long term.

  24. Any Old Iron

    Jul 29, 2012, 1:01 #24844

    @Nekuhan Very good stuff fella! Can I add Micah Richards-a childhood Arsenal fan. 2-3 years ago when his city career was in the doldrums, a good bid would've secured his very versatile services. Nice work Wegner. Ashley Young-trailed for ages whilst at Watford, another childhood Arsenal fan. Villa had the bottle, then red nose the guts. We know the rest. We are on skid row!

  25. Wombledin

    Jul 28, 2012, 23:29 #24842

    Who really cares if these arguments within arguments are correct or not. All that the fans expect paying the highest prices in the land and having the newest large stadium is to be competitive again for top honours, which we no longer are. This is not a reasonable expectation given the history of our Club. That's what we mean by we want our Club back. We want an Arsenal that is feared again by Man U and our normal rivals, not fodder for 8-2 thrashings by Man U and a feeder Club for Citeh. It seems this is too much to ask for the Wengerphiles like you.

  26. martin wengrow

    Jul 28, 2012, 22:36 #24841

    Arsenal were the biggest and most famous club in the world between the 1930's and approx 1955 and the advent of the European Cup with Real Madrids amazing success in it.

  27. martin wengrow

    Jul 28, 2012, 22:13 #24840

    You state that Arsenal "never have been the biggest club in the world" but you are wrong. Between the 1930's and approx 1955 are were unquestionably the biggest and most famous club in the world, this ended with the advent of the European Cup and Real Madrids success in this competition. You really don't know your Arsenal.

  28. MRMROD

    Jul 28, 2012, 17:23 #24839

    @Maguiresbridge Gooner - i wasnt clear - when i say 'over the odds' my point was that we don't (can't!) bow to th out of this world/ insane £150-250k plus per week demands of, say, a Zlatan, Yaya, Ronaldo or Aguero etc. However, i take your point re paying £50k plus a week salaries (which is relatively speaking over the odds) to all of the aforementioned dross that we've acquired over the last five years. Admittedly you're right; getting them all out is going to be problematic. If i was in there shoes i wouldnt want to leave either!!

  29. SLG

    Jul 28, 2012, 15:47 #24838

    Under the current regime wenger will always have a get out of jail card for failure, the repetitive line of "we can't compete financially with the likes of man city, chelsea and united". If usmanov took control of the club and gave wenger millions to spend he would be on that level playing field and then pressure would suddenly be on him to deliver trophies. I wonder how he would fare!

  30. Angry & Frustrated

    Jul 28, 2012, 9:56 #24837

    Fishpie I didn't see the game, but it's hardly shock horror news to discover our defence still resembles the keystone cops. Your analysis re defence is so accurate, and so many of us have been highlighting this aspect of the game under Wenger these last 7 years that it's become utterly predictable, and ensures we will win nothing again, except perhaps Wenger's infamous 4th placed trophy! We haven't worked half a day in football, but we continue to have a manager who has worked at our club alone for 16 years, and yet he can't/won't see something so obvious to the rest of us that it's become beyond embarrassing now. How can anybody be paid so much money, yet be so incompetent and blind at what is afterall 50% of the game of football?

  31. Carlos

    Jul 28, 2012, 9:41 #24836

    Fishpie. And exactly how many top level games have you managed to be so bold as to criticise our manager?

  32. UTU

    Jul 28, 2012, 1:05 #24834

    Arsenal FC are a Feeder club to Man City and Barca. FACT. Cashley Cole has won Eight Trophies with Chelsea, who are also London's first European Champions. The Arsenal have won nothing in that time but charge the highest prices for season/match tickets in world football. I have followed The Arsenal for over 3 Decades, when we sold Stapleton and Brady it only cost £ 2.00 to stand on the North Bank. The Arsenal never spent money like Man U but we still ambition on the pitch. George Graham won 6 trophies in 8 yearts. The Arsenal won't compete untill Wenger and Kroneke are gone.

  33. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 27, 2012, 22:48 #24832

    MRMROD your delighted we don't pay over the odds but thats exactly what we have been doing and continuing to do (djourou improved contract) with the shower of dross that you mentioned and thats why we can't get shot.No other club or manager is silly enough to sanction the same money their already on except the club their already at.

  34. Reg

    Jul 27, 2012, 21:22 #24831

    @Fishpie. You are so right. Defence is a joke & that's nothing to do with self sustainability, selling club, project youth or any of that. It's to do with lazy, undisciplined football and the manager and coaching staff have allowed it to fester over too many years! Defensive coaching? They talk about it but does it ever improve? I don't see the signs! Wenger's judgement on defensive players? Cygan - too slow to catch a cold, let's play him as an emergency left back in front of a little midfielder (remember that?)! Doesn't learn tho so he buys Mertesacker (bigger, slower and can't head a ball!) Let's try Djourou at full back because he doesn't learn! Stepanovs, Squilachi, Senderos, Eboue! Gibbs is gonna be our left back (August 2011), didn't dawn on him he hadn't played 3 games in a row without getting injured! Santos - everywhere but where he's supposed to be! The list goes on. Song - decent defensive midfielder but he wants to go forward, so away you go son, no discipline needed here! Will never win a thing with that approach and it's nothing to do with money.

  35. GoonerGoal!

    Jul 27, 2012, 21:04 #24829

    In the style of the GoonerRon nitpick… Actually, Arsenal have been one of the world’s biggest clubs, if not THE biggest, although admittedly it was 80 years ago. But, by the very nature of the business of football, ALL football clubs are selling clubs. The difference being that not all clubs are FEEDER clubs, providing those they always considered their nearest rivals with the kind of quality that will ensure they blow the feeder club out of the water when it comes to winning trophies! Usmanov’s billions are “tainted” are they? Do you have provable facts to back up that statement, or are you simply a member of the “well it’s obvious” brigade? Making insinuations without factual support is the act of a scoundrel. If you have facts to back up your statement, I’m certain many of us would like to be made aware of them. If Arsenal really was a well-run club then the evidence would not only be on the balance sheet. If that’s all that matters to you then you are well satisfied, but the majority of us are not happy. We want to see it well-run as a football club as well, with the profits viewable on the pitch and in the trophy room. Unfortunately, I sense the time for that has passed. The way things are going with Wenger, even a UEFA Europa League spot may be beyond us this season, and if that is so then the gaps in the crowd that were witnessed last season will only grow larger, and as we already know the three/five year season ticket waiting list has virtually disappeared. We’ve already had the so-called “good” times; things are going to get much worse before they get better, unless we can shift Wenger/Gazidis/Kroenke out, and that my friends IS within our power. All we need do is cut them off from the only thing they truly value… our money! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  36. JM - LONDON

    Jul 27, 2012, 20:35 #24828

    Nice try, but I'm still not buying. The team almost went into a free falling laughing stock on a number of occasions in the last couple of seasons, most notably 8-2. The reason - a shortage of decent players and gross under or mis investment in the team. I hear every year re the 'few well placed additions', but dissapointingly they never materialise. I have no time for these directors, they'll be charging us to go to the toilet next.

  37. Nekuhan

    Jul 27, 2012, 19:46 #24827

    Hi everybody. Arsenal is not only 'selling club', it is also 'Not buying correctly club' too. Just think what Wenger could buy ... Zlatan Ibrahimovich - Coming from Malmö with the permission to leave for GBP 5.5mil, Ibrahimovich was in our club Arsenal FC for a test. They told him to jog and practice = no football matches!? He felt so pissed that he went to Ajax. Since then he won 9 national championships in a row with 5 different clubs (Ajax 2, Juventus 2 but revoked, Inter 3, Barcelona 1, Milan 1, plus various Cups, Super Cups and individual honours. Joe Hart – Could have come from Shrewsbury Town, but our scout for goalkeepers had judged him in 2005 “…not good enough for Arsenal…" !? Next year, he went to M.City and today he is …?? Phil Jones – Was ready to come for GBP 10mil., but Wenger was looking for a bargain. M.United offered EUR 14mil and young, versatile player signed for them. Vincent Kompany – Could have come from Belgium, but Wenger did not really want him. He went to HSV Hamburg for GBP 8.25mil, then to M.City for GBP 6.7mil. He just signed the longest contract in history of M.City. Jose Enrique – Was scouted and ready to come in 2011-12, but Wenger did not want to stop Kieran Gibbs' development. Today, Arsenal still has a problem on the left back, Liverpool not any more. Xabi Alonso – The best friend of C.Fabregas. Could not get along with Rafa Benitez and was already on his way to Arsenal. It seems that a difference of GBP 1mil put Wenger off. You know … our salary structure! Smart move. Could have one of the best defensive mid-fielders and probably keep C.Fabregas as well. Yaya Toure – Wenger's biggest mistake. In 2005 was with his brother Kolo in London, had a test and even played a game for Arsenal against Barnet. Nobody wanted to take care of his working permit, although the price was zero, zilch, 0, nada, rien. Went to Olympiakos, Monaco, Barcelona and M.City. One of the world's best mid-fielders. Viva Wenger! Juan Mata – Wenger was bargaining on GBP 1-3mil with Valencia for months. But Roman Abramovitch and Chelsea took him without hesitation. Wayne Rooney – Coming from Everton, he was with Arsenal and in the Training Centre in Colney, but Wenger offered so little compared to M.United. Good decision Mr.Wenger. Cristiano Ronaldo – When nobody have heard of C.Ronaldo yet, Arsenal offered GBP 4.7mil to Sporting. The club accepted, but Wenger was dragging negotiation on personal terms with the player. In the meantime, M.United played a friendly against Sporting in Portugal. C.Ronaldo gave them such a game that players asked Red Nose A.Ferguson to buy him. GBP10mil did the job for Sporting, the player, Red Nose and M.United. Good hesitation Mr.Wenger. Do not want to talk about 'dead wood' Mr Wenger DID bought. It is well documented on this and other blogs. have a nice summer. Come on ARSENAL !! Come on Gooner and Online Gooner!!

  38. Peter Wain

    Jul 27, 2012, 19:19 #24826

    Total garbage, The fact that our two shareholders are the among the richest in the planet and according to Forbes we are the 12th? largest brand in the world make it ridiculous to say we are not wealthy. I agree we are a selling club but I would argue that is because we are badly managed. Look at the scum Modrich wants to leave but their maanagement is controlling the situation. Would that our directors could stop counting the money they made on their shares to be as determined as Levy. As for the rest we definitely need a left back and a quality centre half creative and defensive mid fielder as well as a replacement for RVP. Will we buy them? The manager always talk about new signings but this is beginning to feel just the same as last year so look out for the last day of the transfer window when we panic buy rubbish. As for finishing in the top four I think that with the current squad less RVP it is most unlikely.

  39. Fishpie

    Jul 27, 2012, 18:29 #24825

    Now I know I shouldn't comment on your very fine piece Arjan just after we've lost 2-0 to City in China; a friendly, a young squad, many of our best players left at home etc I know. But.....there for all to see (again) is the single biggest reason we haven't won anything in 7 years: WE ARE JUST HOPELESS AT DEFENDING. Once we lose the ball (often by just giving it away) anything can happen. We look lack a bunch of circus clowns; falling over, diving in, running in opposite directions, it's mayhem. I agree with you Arjan that lack of success hasn't been about not having or keeping our best players. Or not having enough money etc. It's simply that Wenger has failed for over 7 years now (7 years for Christ sakes) to build a good defensive unit at the back and he's failed to instil any kind of defensive ethic/responsibility in his midfield formations. Champions know how to defend, close down and track back. I appreciate the RVP situation has meant he has had to look for more attacking options this Summer but we've not even been rumoured to be looking for better defenders and there appears to be no urgency from the club (and possibly no interest) in finding a strong defensive midfielder who sits and wins the ball. We can buy all the attackers in the world, we can have a clutch of promising young stars coming through, but we will win nought until our off the ball football is sorted out. Wenger, for all the greatness he undoubtedly possesses, is woefully incompetent as a coach from the defensive perspective. IT'S THE DEFENCE ARSENE FOR FXXX SAKE!!!! (Jesus,it was just a friendly, I'm ill, I'm not going to last a fortnight when the season starts. There's a bottle of scotch in the house somewhere...)

  40. MRMROD

    Jul 27, 2012, 18:04 #24824

    I couldnt agree more and echo your sentiments particularly in relation to the proposed acquisitions of M'Villa, Baines, Cazorla (and Lloris for me)...The situation is what it is and I for one am delighted that we dont pay "over the odds" (£130k plus per week) on salaries to overrated mercenaries, even though it seems to transpire than we fall short of winning trophies. However, it also irks me that we still have more than half a dozen deadwood squad members on excellent contract contiuously draining our resources: Sqillaci, Bendtner, Djourou, Ramsey, Diaby, Denilson, Fabianski et al...and if AW made a concerted effort to get shot of all mof the above and 3 quality players in it would make a world of difference!

  41. Highbury Boy

    Jul 27, 2012, 16:40 #24823

    "So close yet so far" could have been applied to a few seasons since we last won a trophy. Anderson was in his 30s when he left for United. You have picked Stapleton and Brady as examples but who else during the 40 years before Wenger? David Herd perhaps. No it's under Wenger and despite his loyalty to the players,a new stadium and CL football we cannot keep our best players. It was easy to get Almunia and Benayoun off the pay roll when their contracts expired. That freed up squad places for Giroud and Podalski. However it's proving nigh impossible to remove the other 10 who we all know are available for transfer. "To gain experience" according to the official site we have loaned Denilson yet again and it looks like we will have to do the same for most of the others. With Arsenal picking up a good chunk of their wages for playing for someone else or just doing nothing it's a huge waste of resources and a dire indictment of Wenger's policy of rewarding average players with above average wages on long term contracts.That has nothing to do with Man City's or Chelsea's immense wealth.

  42. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Jul 27, 2012, 16:37 #24822

    Never mind about recent departures like AdeMafia, Nasri, Fab & VP, my dad is still filthy about the club selling Joe Baker!

  43. Nick C

    Jul 27, 2012, 14:09 #24821

    "I can’t begrudge the directors their fortune" Mmm i can when they charge us highest ticket prices in the world for a load of broken promises and NEVER wanting to challenge for trophies. clubs exist to win trophies, not rip off their fans and line their own pockets. Pointless article glazing over the lies they have delivered for years. Wake up gooners, why do we put up with it?

  44. Dave

    Jul 27, 2012, 13:44 #24820

    You fail to address the issue of ticket prices. City, Chelsea and Man Utd all charge significantly less for season tickets. Maybe the club was never ours to "take back" but i could always afford to be there and felt i belonged.

  45. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jul 27, 2012, 13:37 #24819

    Final standings also reflect how clubs are catching us or how we're regressing with just a dogey keeper to thank we weren't playing in the EL next season.The reason our club is being run like a buisness is why the club will never fulfill it's ambition as well as arsene's of winning the holy grail(CL).I don't know about project youth been born out of necessity more the managers pet project of trying to prove everybody wrong by winning things on the cheap something he's still trying to do.I certainly don't think it's understandable for young players especially unproven ones to be put on decent contracts and thats the reason as you quite rightly say we have so much dross cluttering the place up that we can't sell and can't even loan out.Some players have certainly benefited the business with their substantial transfer fees not the team as they haven't been replaced.I agree we'll probably finish in the top four again this season and qualify for the CL and the business will be happy.

  46. RJ

    Jul 27, 2012, 13:23 #24818

    Arjan - remove pin, count to 3 and lob. Nice work. I did like the little joke about Baines being a #2 player - you crazy kidder! I think Santos and Gibbs are not all that bad personally - they are luxury wing backs who need support from midfield to do their thang - both better than Baines going forward IMO (but then I am an accountant, not a football manager) IF we get Cazorla (which I do not believe for one minute) and get rid of RVP, I do believe we have the makinds of a title winning team and I am really jazzed about this season - but then this is the time of season I can be! Looking forward to reading the usual mix of horrow and anger at your piece.

  47. Stround Green Road Boy

    Jul 27, 2012, 13:21 #24817

    @Gooner1, Baines is one of the top 2 left backs in the league, so that is fair comment, unlike your response. Disagree on the whole with the author though. The whole purpose of the 'self-sustainability' project is simply to enrich a select few individuals, nothing more. And surely the purpose of a football club is to try and reach the 'holy grail'. You have fallen for their spiel.

  48. Ministry of Information

    Jul 27, 2012, 12:53 #24816

    New Bulletin: Renew your Season Ticket, buy the merchandise, consume, do not criticise. FOURTH IS FIRST. DOCILITY IS STRENGTH!

  49. Tony Evans

    Jul 27, 2012, 12:51 #24815

    A very fair reflection of where the club is at the moment. I have never subscribed to the 'Arsenal are now a selling club' and the 'I want my Arsenal back' brigade as my critiscism has been and still is reserved for Arsene Wenger. I can not fault what you have said concerning OGL and share your frustrations. Yes he has done an amazing job keeping Arsenal top four but I weep when I think what might have been had he addressed the teams defensive problems and not persevered with so much dross. Even now we are contemplating starting the season with a right and left back pairing of Jenkinson and Santos or Gibbs; a young keeper that is all too prone to making gaffes (with no decent cover either if out injured); in central defence the figure of Djourou is still lurking on his new long term contract and as for defensive midfield we have Song and the newly fit for 5 minutes Diaby - need I say more. Granted the transfer window still has some time to go but do I trust Wenger to sort these issues out? NO.

  50. John Gooner

    Jul 27, 2012, 12:38 #24814

    What a terrible article! Are you one of the shareholders referred to above?! "Their personal profits" from the pockets of relatively poor FANS, fans who want to see their team win silverware! This entire article is a waste of time... you start off by defending the frugal stance of the board and then U-turn to say that just a few small signings (signings that the fans you're attacking are asking for) would make all the difference between 4th and 1st. Why did you write this?!!

  51. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Jul 27, 2012, 12:37 #24813

    I'm glad your a happy bunny but i think you have missed the point. If we continue with a self substaining business model then no one wants us to plunge into debt. However, we also don't want to see a huge bank balance when there are massive gaps in the squad that urgently need addressing. Alternativly, it has now become blantly apparent that no one is taking any notice of the FFP rules and therefore many believe we should Usmanov loose, myself included. We are already under foreign ownership so that wouldnt make a difference to me. On one hand you have someone that wants to make and take money out of the club for the sole benefit of himself. On the other hand you have someone that seeming wants to plough fortunes into the club with the aim of winning trophies. Its not a tough choice however unpalletable. Times have already changed. If you cant beat them, join them but dont kid yourself you can have it both ways.

  52. The Noise

    Jul 27, 2012, 12:28 #24812

    What garbage! All throughout the 70's, 80's, 90's & 00's, do you ever remember Arsenal selling 5 captains in a row? I OF COURSE players are going to come & go! No one is thick enough to think we'll ever not lose players to other clubs, but it's the sheer rate in which they are running for the exit door! THAT’S why people are now labelling us a selling club! Yet another AKB downplaying expectation levels, when they should be looking at the fact we pay the highest ticket prices in the world, the most successful team in London & the 3rd most successful team in English Football. Why don’t you want more??? As for your defence of the board... utterly, utterly disgusting! They have done absolutely NOTHING but show utter contempt for us fans by pricing out generations of Gooners with farcical ticket prices & false promises, then issuing statements calling us all 'fools' for daring to want more from our buck… Don't care how long you have been going down Arsenal, you are no Gooner in my eyes! Shocking, shocking article.

  53. Croker

    Jul 27, 2012, 12:27 #24811

    Good post but beware of criticising our portly Red & White Holdings shareholder in print. I think the people who "scream" on this website can all see that season after season, Arsenal are consistently at least 3 quality signings from winning trophies and hopefully this looks like it is being put right this summer. A new holding midfield player who can carry the ball from defence and feed our atackers is a must and although we already have Arteta who does this well,we need another. We also need someone who can unlock packed defences with a turn of speed (in the right direction - Theo take note) or a killer pass so it's not just a matter of tightening up the defensive side of things. Anyway, it's great to have some genuine in bound signings to speculate about this summer instead of just waiting for a drawn out departure or two.

  54. Canterbury Gooner

    Jul 27, 2012, 12:14 #24810

    How many Invincibles were sold during their their peaking time and not at an older age?

  55. Graham Simons

    Jul 27, 2012, 11:52 #24809

    Lots of fair points but I think you'll find that in the 1930s we were the biggest club on the planet - Lokomotiv's colours and our sovereign's support is testament to this.

  56. Ozi

    Jul 27, 2012, 11:40 #24808

    Why do we need a back up keeper? Fabianski was unlucky with injury which led to losing the top spot to Szczesny. Let's not be too unnecessarily demanding

  57. Gooner1

    Jul 27, 2012, 11:23 #24807

    Baines a top 2 player? Not gonna be reading your crap anymore.