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And then came the chance. After failing to convert a succession of half chances, with seven minutes left on the clock, the ball was worked to Olivier Giroud, leaving him with just the keeper to beat. He blasted it wide. The French striker is apparently left-footed, similar to Arsenal’s recently departed captain. However, one couldn’t help but wonder what might have been if Robin Van Persie had received the chance on his right foot.

Before the game, on the way to the stadium, new chants of hate about the departed Dutchman were being aired. At one point, I heard the chant about Sol Campbell winning the double. A captain who made unrealistic wage demands because he wanted to move to a club where he felt he had a better chance of winning something, in the process earning a huge hike in salary. He is hated by fans of the club where he spent the majority of his career, with vile chants sung about him. Sound familiar? The difference is that Tottenham received nothing for their departing skipper. Arsenal made £24 million. Aside from that, what is the difference? The best thing for Gooners to do when Van Persie lines up against their team in a United shirt is to ignore him. Use their energies to support their own players, but that isn’t going to happen.

So what of those that arrived over the summer? It was interesting to see Lukas Podolski picked as the centre forward ahead of Olivier Giroud, as it was widely believed Santi Cazorla would be the one on the bench of the three new boys, due to his long midweek trip to play for Spain. Gervinho’s pre-season form was rewarded with a start. Arsene Wenger certainly has options in midfield and attack.

Martin O’Neill’s side came for a point and were successful. Until they start giving zero points for draws, there will always be games like this. It was dour fare, but a means to an end. Sunderland will probably finish comfortably in mid-table as they will get results. There won’t be too many watchable games along the way. Still, Arsenal could learn from their industry when they are away from home. The visitors worked very hard to limit space near their goal.

With the majority of the possession, Arsenal tried to unpick the lock, but when chances came, the shots often failed to meet the target. It was a frustrating afternoon. Giroud eventually replaced Podolski, but as stated, when the best chance came he skewed it wide.

Defensively, there was little to test the home side. One of the two decent chances Sunderland had in the first 45 minutes was the result of Abou Diaby failing to track his man, and that kind of loss of concentration needs to be worked upon. Alex Song was sometimes guilty of such moments, and his sale to Barcelona has been confirmed. Presumably an announcement on the deal for Nuri Sahin is imminent, but it was ventured to me yesterday that it was not so much a case of Song wanting to leave, as Arsenal wanting to sell the player. Apparently his attitude last season left something to be desired, and it was felt that he did not work hard enough in his position, sometimes failing to cover ground when the opposition had the ball. Reputedly the idea going forward this campaign is that the team will zip the ball around faster, and be more incisive on the break. Cazorla is the key to this, which might explain his playing the full game yesterday. He is intended as the replacement for Cesc Fabregas, but Wenger had to wait a year to get him. There were certainly occasions last season when the Gunners seemed over-ponderous, and allowed the opposition time to regroup when opportunities for the kind of three pass move that set up a chance in the old days were spurned.

Song was capable of some glorious football, sometimes delivering exquisite through balls to team-mates, laying scoring opportunities on a plate. But there were horrorshow moments too. This observer always thought he was not quite good enough for the critical role he was given. It will be interesting to see how he performs alongside the likes of Xavi and Iniesta. Defensively, I would say Sergio Busquets is a better player, but time will tell.

As for Arsenal, the new players need more time to gel, for the understanding to develop. There were encouraging signs yesterday, but poor finishing undid them. The way Sunderland set up meant a goal was needed before we could see a real football match, and that we never got one was indicated by the game’s showing on Match of the Day, at the fag end of the show after Reading v Stoke. Next weekend will tell us a lot more about the re-jigged Arsenal, and especially the work that has been done to lessen the number of goals against.

Granted, a disappointing start, but one that should be no surprise. It’s a long season and Arsenal have plenty of time to make good. What is important is that they take something from their next two matches, which is easier said than done.

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  1. Glenn

    Mar 23, 2013, 14:06 #33538

    The FA Cup, the Champions League and the League Cup are all 'over' this season, Simon. You've just written an exhaustive article on how Arsenal can scrounge their way into 4th or 3rd, as if anyone actually cares that much. The season IS over for Arsenal regardless of where we finish and you need to take that as your bottom line. It's the direction a club is going in that is important and you can't fail to see that this club is going at best, sideways and at worst, down.

  2. Sir Sid James

    Mar 23, 2013, 6:41 #33535

    My jaw dropped when i read this article.We are supposed to be happy that we have gone 8 years without a trophy and we are clinging on to the hope of finishing 4th.If the views of Simon Rose are the views of the majority of Gooners we might as well give up and change our name to Fulham who will win as much as us as long as Kroenke Gazidis and Wenger are running our club.Finishing above Spurs is now more important than finishing above Man Utd.As others have said what is there to be proud of finishing one place above the Spurs when our wage bill is £50m plus above them?Forget we are 24 points behind a Utd team who are no where near Fergies best.When i read Simon Rose's articles i always think of Gazidis in his office thinking my work is being done by our own fans he doesnt even have to say a word for 12 months.Gazidis could have wrote this article.Gazidis loves fans like Mandy Dodd and Canada Gooner who will except mediocrity and swallow everything the club feeds them.Easy money hey Ivan?

  3. Wombledin

    Mar 22, 2013, 6:15 #33515

    Thanks Mrs Wenger

  4. Green Hut

    Mar 21, 2013, 20:58 #33513

    Canada Gooner- Yes I read the thread and I wasn't referring solely to transfer spend, rather all money available to strengthen the team, including wages. In any case, I don't disagree with your original principle re tottenham, just some people's (and maybe yours) perception of the size of funds that have been available to Wenger. Of course he doesn't not spend money for the sake of not spending, he just believes that he is still capable of building a team to win the big trophies without spending the big bucks. That's his way, always been from day one, and now football has moved on and left him behind, but he will spend forever trying rather than go down the 'financial doping' route that he so despises. Re your first question, well I guess until Kroenke sells his shares (which would be a first for him) or takes a dividend, no-one really benefits from Wenger's thriftiness, apart from maybe Gazidis getting an undeserved bonus. Whether the share price would be higher if we had more trophies and less money, I don't really know. Anyway mate, thought you'd come over to the dark side, hope The Cult Of Wenger haven't persuaded you to go back!

  5. Ando

    Mar 21, 2013, 20:38 #33512

    I thought we had established (on this forum) the futility of Cl qualification, outside of being a good earner for the plc.I mean come on, can anyone justify 7 mil plus for the last however long? could we not have paid someone half of that for as much return? Is this the limit of our ambition? do you all not remember the merry merry month of May? its been a long time since we have looked forward to that. Who remembers the spotted dog at neaseden May 1979? or any recent wembley or Cardiff trip. We kid ourselves that we should compete with the big boys, this is as likely as me scoring for port vale on Saturday.Money Money Money its all the plc cares about, and that includes 7 mil plus man.

  6. CanadaGooner

    Mar 21, 2013, 19:21 #33511

    @Green Hut, but surely someone at Arsenal gains an advantage from Wenger not spending money? It would be preposterous to think he simply decides not to spend any money against everyone's wish at arsenal. The 'wage bill' debate has nothing to do with money spent buying players. if you read the comments above, you'll find that the issue is whether or not the size of a club's wage bill is an indication of what their acheivement has been (i.e. someone saying Spurs have a much lower wage bill than arsenal = spurs over-acheiving on a small budget); and I contend that the comparison should be arsenal's wage bill compared with the teams who have something to show for the wages they pay their players (i.e. man utd, chelsea and man city). otherwise the comparisons are silly: it's like comparing the wage bill of 2 relegated teams, what would be the purpose? they both got relegated regardless of what wages they paid their players (didn stop newcastle coming back up). neither spurs nor arsenal have anything tangible to show for their wage bills, so whether or not ours is higher or lower is a pointless comparison. however, if our supposedly high wage bill is peanuts compared to the teams winning the trophies, then there could be some inferences made from that (perhaps they buy better players who command a higher wage); but if our wage bill is same as for man utd, chelsea and man city; then the inference is that they know where to put their money and we dont.

  7. Green Hut

    Mar 21, 2013, 18:26 #33510

    Canada Gooner- A far more appropriate comparison in this case would be how much money Wenger has had available to spend compared with Ferguson etc. rather than the actual spend, I think the difference would be considerably smaller. It's much easier to spend less and achieve less, but it's not the lack of trophies that really gets me, it's the lack of ambition from the manager, and consequently the lack of hope for fans like me.

  8. CanadaGooner

    Mar 21, 2013, 17:06 #33509

    @Highbury Boy; the question is: How much did they spend getting there; and more importantly, How much more than us did they spend? (the fact that they all have Arsenal's ex-players still playing for them (as KEY members of their team) right now is usually a good indication of what's been going on!); and that applies to Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City, so, YES, there's nothing tricky about my question at all. whoever has those figures for comparison, kindly table it

  9. Highbury Boy

    Mar 21, 2013, 16:15 #33508

    @ Canada Gooner ,you are on very tricky ground if you want us to be compared with Manu,Chelsea and ManC as these are all teams who have WON something in the last 8 years.

  10. Mandy Dodd

    Mar 21, 2013, 15:40 #33507

    Where did I compare us with Spurs James?

  11. CanadaGooner

    Mar 21, 2013, 13:35 #33506

    You 'wage bill' folks are missing a very significant point in your comparisons with Spurs. Spurs punching above their weight? dont be ludicrous. Arsenal's wage bill is high because we can afford to carry plays like gervinho, bendtner and those type by selling players like clichy, nasri, van persie, adebayor, fabregas, flamini etc; mostly for much more than we paid for them. When Spurs begin to produce more players like Bale (for sale), they will stockpile more crappy ones like huddlestone and their wage bill will rise as well. For now, the only comparison that makes any sense is Arsenal's wage bill compared to the teams that have finished ahead of us CONSISTENTLY in the last 10 years (e.g. Man Utd and recently chelsea and more recently Man City); if you have those comparisons, feel free to share them as I for one would be interested in those and not the silly comparisons with Spurs

  12. Ed enough....

    Mar 21, 2013, 13:31 #33505

    And once again the fans have been drawn into believing that beating spurs to 4th place will constitute a "Acceptable" season.....Tosh...Its another potless pointless season wasted on dreaming and convincing ourselves that we are better than we really are....No point in playing CL football...we will never ever win it! Period!!! DEAL WITH IT!!! aaaarrrgghhhh...

  13. Green Hut

    Mar 21, 2013, 12:36 #33504

    Mandy Dodd- There's only one person more obsessed with tottenham (or spurs as you affectionately call them) than Simon Rose, and that's you. Anyone making even a mildly derogatory remark about The Nutty Professor is immediately considered a tottenham fan rather than someone who has studied the facts and come to a reasonable conclusion. Having listened to actual tottenham and Chelsea fans sing 'Arsene Wenger we want you to stay' in recent weeks I very much doubt whether tottenham fans would see the point in slagging Wenger. They know, as we do, that as long as Wenger stays, so does our malaise.

  14. Mark

    Mar 21, 2013, 12:27 #33503

    canada - yes it is £150mpa wage bill - if you google enough you will find the accounts. it is the 4th largest wage bill. Spurs is much lower i think about £80-90mpa. but if you manage yourself well enough even for 80-90mpa you can get close to the 150mpa big stadium guy. you can in fact get alot closer to him than he can to the so called BIG 3 above him. yes Arsenal punch below their weight and Spurs punch above it

  15. Absolved Failure Corporation

    Mar 21, 2013, 11:49 #33502

    The above mentioned change is much less likely to come if we finish 3rd, do you not see that? "Look at the reality" look at the points difference between us and United, that's the reality! And don't try to put it down to financial differences, because in spending terms we're not far behind. Please stop writing this self-vindicating drivel! I hope we finish 5th and Spurs 6th, I could never wish to finish behind Spurs, but one more season of Wenger-Gazidis and this club will have lost what little of its soul it has left.

  16. James

    Mar 21, 2013, 11:21 #33501

    @CanadaGooner The wage figures were announced last month when the profits were announced its not an official secret.You can also see Wenger gets paid £7.5m a year.Check it up

  17. CanadaGooner

    Mar 21, 2013, 10:53 #33500

    Where do you folks get these wage bill quotes from? It gets higher and higher everyte it's stated on here and each person seems to state it with such certainty! Perhaps you (Paul and co) you work in the arsenal accounting division (payroll office)?

  18. Gaz

    Mar 21, 2013, 10:17 #33498

    Of course if we'd beaten Bayern away 3-1 then lost the return leg 2-0 the majority of fans would be quite happy to suggest the poor performance was down to the fact we'd already won the tie and ultimately we went through which of course is the most important thing anyway.

  19. James

    Mar 21, 2013, 9:17 #33497

    Mandy Dodd stop comparing us with Spurs.We have a 60,000 stadium generating £3m a game plus a wage bill of £150m.Compare us to United.Spurs havent finished above us for 20 years.If finishing above Spurs is all you care about it shows how far we really have gone backwards

  20. Mandy Dodd

    Mar 21, 2013, 7:48 #33495

    I have never got the media spurs thing, can only assume a fair number of them are supporters.

  21. Paul

    Mar 21, 2013, 7:05 #33494

    Quick question Simon do you want Arsenal to progress or are you happy to finish 4th every season for the next 20 years?With are wage bill being £50m more than Spurs we should be 20 points ahead of them not looking over are shoulder at them.The whole loser culture at the club where we reward failure has to come to an end.And that means the architect of this failure Wenger must go.If we do srape 4th Wenger will say we dont need to strengthen we have achieved our goal that stupid 4th place trophy.Dont believe me just take a look at the last 8 years

  22. Gare Kekeke

    Mar 21, 2013, 1:04 #33492

    @ Lee afc; if you want to play the old line of ‘we ran them very close’ because of the 3-3 aggregate score line, then by all means do so. At home against a Bayern Munich side who are on the brink of another league title in their homeland (20 points clear at the top last time I checked), I saw an Arsenal side who were outclassed, out thought & out fought. And what did Wenger do about; typically nothing because he thought his great faith and belief in the players would see us through against an experienced Bayern Munich side that were very close to a treble last year. The second leg was good for our players because the pressure was off and typically we put in a decent performance. Where was it for the home leg? If you and others think that we were just simply unlucky, well, that’s where we agree to disagree. Also, ‘for the record’, Bayern Munich are still in this season’s European Cup and we are not. The aggregate score line was very kind to us. The Barcelona v Celtic aggregate score line in the European Cup this season was also 3-3, but does that mean Celtic are equal with Barcelona? Every football fan, including the most die-hard Celtic fan would say no. Sometimes, statistics can be misleading.

  23. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Mar 20, 2013, 21:42 #33491

    For f**k's sake - why the obsession with finishing above Spurs???? In 2004 we were unbeaten Champions! We should be worrying about finishing ahead of Man United and Barcelona or have we fallen so far under Wenger that our only ambition is to beat a team that will never be Champions?

  24. lee afc

    Mar 20, 2013, 21:36 #33490

    GARE..the so called annual battering this year in the CL by the mighty Bayern Munich was, for the record resulting in a 3-3 scoreline......hardly a walkover and battering.

  25. GG89

    Mar 20, 2013, 21:19 #33489

    At least we have something to talk about.... will they (spurs) won´t they roll over and die?... Wenger doesn´t look so worried now he´s out of all the cups... its all up to them not wenger and that suks...

  26. Treble Double

    Mar 20, 2013, 20:45 #33488

    ... oh when the wheels, come falling off, oh when the wheels come falling off, I want to be in that number, when the wheels come falling off...

  27. Joe S.

    Mar 20, 2013, 20:40 #33487

    Agree with Highbury Boy's comment that there was a time only two or three years ago when Spurs were only a minor footnote in what defined a successful Arsenal season. Then the only comparisons that mattered were where Arsenal stood next to Man. U., Chelsea and the top European clubs. That Spurs now matter is a sad reminder that Arsenal are willing to settle for fourth best.

  28. Carlos

    Mar 20, 2013, 20:02 #33485

    I'm hoping Spurs can go as far as possible in a European competition; better still I hope they win it, so that it can help our chances of getting into another European competition we have absolutely no chance of even remotely competing for.

  29. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 20, 2013, 19:43 #33484

    Highbury Boy, i couldn't agree more, there was a time when we used to swot the spuds away like a cow does when there's a fly buzzing around their arse,and they were so far off our radar we didn't even realise they were there,and it's there we should have made sure they stayed,with all the advantages we had,but we couldn't even do that,like you've said we've let all them advantages slip away (and we know who's to blame for that)instead we find ourselves in the position where fans are creaming their pants when they drop points and we creep that little bit closer in the hope we over take them,just to qualify for a fourth place that makes rich fat cats richer.And speaking of bonuses your also spot on about them, like i've already said in a previous post, maybe that's why the players have found this new energy and belief all of a sudden, that they know (or have been promised)a bigger bonus if they qualify for the CL than if they don't, or if they were to actually win something.

  30. CanadaGooner

    Mar 20, 2013, 19:27 #33483

    .....could also be 5th, or 6th, or even 7th (we're not that far above the teams currently occupying those positions). Yes, we all hope we finish in the top 4, if we finish 4th and Spurs finish 3rd, who cares? Finish above Spurs isnt our god-given right; we have to work hard to be competitive and finish 1st, failing which, we want a champions league spot (not sure why, but that is how it is), and where ever Spurs come into that mix is just a sideshow (they will need to finish ahead of us for the next 20 or so seasons for us to take them seriously)

  31. Paddy Stood Up

    Mar 20, 2013, 19:09 #33482

    Some people seem to want to criticise whatever Simon writes without actually reading it. He's not exactly saying that everything in the garden in rosey is he, but unless someone has a time-machine, we can't change the results against Bradford, Blackburn and Bayern Munich so we can't win a trophy this season (and by that I mean a real trophy, not some made up one). What we can do is to finish as high in the league as possible, which might be 4th, could be 3rd and there's even a slim chance it could be 2nd. Yes, I know that's not what we should be aiming for at the START of the season, but on March 20th, it's the best we can do. I also understand why some people might not want that because they feel it won't drive the change they desire, but for me (and many others) I will always take some pleasure out of finishing above Spurs and every other side we can finish above. That's been the way I am since I started going in the early 70s, so I'm not going to change now and I'm not going to apologise for it either. I have no problem if your view is different and respect your reasons if they are outlined clearly, which is what I've tried to do here and I think Simon has done the same.

  32. Paul

    Mar 20, 2013, 18:55 #33481

    So finishing above a team we have finished above for nearly 20 years is now an achievement.Grow up will you.Your petty lets finish above the Spuds is childish.Getting knocked out of cups by lowly Bradford and Blackburn and getting knocked out in the CL again in the last 16.This has been a godamn awful season.Last year we finished above CL and FpA Cup winners Chelsea and we all celebrated didnt we.At any other top club in Europe Wenger would have been sacked 5 years ago.If it was down to you Simon you would have 4th place finishes listed on the honours page.Wenger out

  33. Big Andy

    Mar 20, 2013, 18:24 #33480

    Good article - although the writer appears to be doing just what he is slagging off Sky for doing: making predictions. But I too always thought that Spurs would bottle it and finish outside the top four. The depressing thing is that a fourth-place finish might get Wenger a new contract - that would be a disaster.

  34. GoonerDave

    Mar 20, 2013, 18:22 #33479

    For the past 6 seasons it's been all over for us to win the Premiership at this time of the season!!!!As i,ve said before Simon,your as deluded as Wenger if you think 4th spot is victoriuos.We should be aiming to win the league and if we fall short because other clubs are better than us,then fair enough,but don't accept 4th place as our target because it simply is,nt good enough.

  35. John Abrehart

    Mar 20, 2013, 18:00 #33478

    I think that as the 'run in' to the end of the season hots up should concentrate on getting behind the team on and off the pitch and consider out managerial concerns another day. The BSM and others have legitimate concerns, particuarly about ticketing etc but we are the Arsenal and we need the best for the club and that includes CL qualification. It could just be that our 'new' defence, having two replacement full backs, central defenders in a new partnership and a goalkeeper who seems to have found his confidence and new form, have transformed the fortunes of the team. Incidently, I also think that the Sky coverage is crass and I tried switching switching off the sound and putting on the Radio 5 Live commentary. But then the sound was about 3 secs ahead of the digital TV signal, so I now watch in silence and find it much more enjoyable. I know who the players are and can form opinions of my own.

  36. 6OONER PETE

    Mar 20, 2013, 17:08 #33477

    A lot of us have thought it was all over since 2008! Unfortunately we have been proved right!!!

  37. Robert Exley

    Mar 20, 2013, 16:47 #33476

    It may not be over 'til it's over and no doubt Spurs will get their squeaky bum time. However it's up to Arsenal to capitalise on that. For a team that couldn't beat Bradford or Blackburn we can't be 100% sure of that now, can we?

  38. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 20, 2013, 15:15 #33474

    The spuds,the spuds,the spuds,the spuds,whats your fascination with them Simon ? you've mentioned them 23 times (i can't believe i've counted them either)as a lot of posters have already said when commenting on other articles (myself included)is this really how far we've fallen that we've become so preoccupied with the spuds and finishing above them ? yourself being the biggest culprit mate, with your predictions, and like i said you've mentioned them 23 times.Don't worry about that shower mate, when we balls it up ourselves we all know we can always rely (no predictions needed) on them to step up to the mark and help us out.Of course i would rather finish above them than not,purely for the bragging value nothing else, and if it doesn't happen so what ? I'll not lose any sleep over it, it's been coming now for a few seasons anyway with our constant decline, last season the perfect example.Like you've quite rightly said CL qualification is not a triumph (and it will not make any difference anyway)only real trophy's have ribbons not imaginary ones.It's a real pity ogl and the players couldn't have found this new energy and belief earlier on in the season when it actually mattered and maybe we would have had a real triumph and a real trophy to put ribbons on.

  39. Inspector Clueless

    Mar 20, 2013, 14:59 #33473

    even if we scrape 4th i still think we have been short-changed as fans and i still think 100 mistakes have been made at the club since DDein left and it makes me like the place alot less.

  40. Gare Kekeke

    Mar 20, 2013, 14:52 #33472

    I agree with you Simon that we will finish ahead of Tottenham, but only for fourth place. I’ve seen enough from Chelsea recently despite their turbulence both on and off the pitch to make me think that they will finish 3rd, maybe even 2nd given Man City’s regression from last season. For me however, another top four finish would only ever paper over the cracks that are being exposed time and time again. In my view, Wenger has had his day and FFP from the Premier League & UEFA won’t save his bacon either. His unwillingness to change would be his undoing and to an extent would destroy the great legacy he has built for The Arsenal. We are going the same way Liverpool did in Rafa’s last year and under Hodgson and it will take years for us to recover. I’m certain of that. I’m hoping to be wrong but that’s just my feeling. But with the Kroenke, Gazidis & Wenger triumvirate still strong at the club and their supporters believing their nonsensical spin, we will continue our status as also-rans, with those supporters deluding themselves into thinking that renewed glory is just around the corner. The wage structure is wrong, the elite players won’t come to us because of our lack of trophies and the better players we do have will at some point grow disillusioned and eventually leave e.g. Van Persie. Glad you have pointed out Simon that European Cup qualification should not be seen as a triumph. Fifteen consecutive seasons in that competition under Wenger and in truth we have been at best average. Not good enough for a club for our size and stature. As you have mentioned in a previous article Simon, we are only in it for the money, nothing else. Our record under Wenger hardly suggests we are hardly serious players in that competition. Nothing great about being battered annually by the likes of Barcelona, Milan & Bayern Munich every year.

  41. Brigham

    Mar 20, 2013, 13:04 #33471

    The very fact that we are worrying or looking out for the Spuds results speaks fathoms about how much we have slid down the pecking order. Since 1996 we have finished above them with consumate ease, albeit a couple of seasons, but we have 'celebrated' it each and every season since that year. In the early Wenger years we were not able to celebrate finishing above them, but also the fact we had silverware to gloat even further with, including two doubles. Since our move to what was supposed to have been our money inducing and transfer home, we have regressed, big time! It is not going to get any better in the very near future, of that I am certain. As others have already alluded to, what is the point of qualifying for a competition we have no chance of getting past the last 16, let alone actually winning it. The final of 2006 seems a very long time ago right now. Of course I want Arsenal to finish above that swamp dwelling lot up the road, but all said and done, it will only mean another season of being also-rans once again unless there is change at the club and that dear fellow Gooners is very unlikely to actually happen!

  42. CanadaGooner

    Mar 20, 2013, 12:48 #33470

    Let's not get carried away Rosie; we are still behind Spurs right now. Although, like yourself, I prefer relying on facts and the facts tell us Spurs always bottle it and I'm sure they won't disappoint this season also. The SkySports thing has always been a mystery and a constant source of annoyance to me, and I'm sure it's all deeply rooted in money: they hate the arsenal model as it preaches the conversion of cheap unknown players, while Sky prefers the hype and stories generated from bringing in the best known players in Europe to the premier league as that is where they (Sky) get all the pomp and pageantry and the glossy headlines they need to keep making their money. To them, Arsenal is a cancer and if they praise or encourage that model, the premiership could return to those dull days of over-hyped English players without the bergkamps, Henry's, Ronaldo's and those foreign players that brought global recognition and interest to the premier league and with it hoardes of international subscription for Sky. I can't see any other logical explanation for their open hatred of anything arsenal: from the start of almost every season we're told on SkySports just how inadequate arsenal is, and why we won't make the top 4; and each and every season we've ended up in the top 4. You would think by now Sky would relent and change their tag-lines? No Sir! They drone on with the same crap. The only thing they and almost every other pundit on TV have been right about (which isn't really that difficult to predict) is that arsenal won't win any trophy, and they will continue to predict that correctly until things change at the club; starting with the manager and most essentially, the much needed sacking on Gazidis

  43. Gaz

    Mar 20, 2013, 12:46 #33469

    @Highbury boy: When I questioned 'our facination' with the Champions league I was talking about the supporters. Obviously I realise the boards only need for it is the money it brings in and nothing else.

  44. Red Member

    Mar 20, 2013, 12:20 #33468

    so we are relying on Spurs having a good run in the Europa League (which they are capable of winning) so that we can qualify for a tournament that we have no hope of winning. the bizarre logic of football in 2013

  45. CT Gooner

    Mar 20, 2013, 12:02 #33467

    You said it many times Simon, Groundhog Day. I feel our great club should be striving for more, and a good manager would too. As for the table doesn't lie, I agree fully, we'll be at least 20 points off top place. Can we blame that on referees, the press, or anything else for that matter??? I know some one who will...

  46. Highbury Boy

    Mar 20, 2013, 12:02 #33466

    It's very sad that most of Simon's article is devoted to Spurs. It's just a few years ago that our only real competition at home came from Manu while abroad we looked at Barca,Real Madrid and ACMilan as rival clubs. Our style of play,regular CL football and new state of the art stadium which increased capacity to over 60,000 should have consigned Spurs to also-rans alongside West Ham and Leyton Orient. We have allowed all our advantages to slip away. And to Gaz and others the "fascination" with the CL is easy to understand. It's all about the money. It's worth around £25m to the club every year and of course for the players who say "We want to show our skills against the best players"etc it also means more money is on the table for their agents to argue over. Arsenal players will see a reduction in their wages/bonus payments next season if there's no CL qualification.

  47. James

    Mar 20, 2013, 11:26 #33465

    I watch all the games I can of the top teams and this is how I view them.Man Utd-Very surprised by what I see of their play how they can be so far ahead.Seem to scrap and scrape their way through games their often second best in.Though as an ex ref myself It is very clear they are aided by outside influences.Man City,Chelsea and Arsenal-.I see very little between these sides which is a shame as going back a few years Arsenal were well ahead of the former two.All are very comfortable on the ball.Each one capable of dominating games each one capable of errors.Arsenal and Chelsea look strong at the moment,City are starting to fade.Tottenham,Everton-Two physical sides dare I say too dependant on the long ball and both would look very out of place in the champions league.Because of their poor ball retention both can look very ordinary against lesser opposition.Liverpool-Look the same as last season just ahead in ability of the chasing pack.

  48. Red Member

    Mar 20, 2013, 11:24 #33464

    Groundhog day approaches again wake me up if something changes

  49. Bard

    Mar 20, 2013, 10:54 #33463

    Spot on Peter Wain. I hate the idea of finishing below Spuds but if we get that 4th spot i am convinced it will vindicate Wenger and his methods and condemn us to another season of mediocrity. The summer Pantomime called the Arsenal transfer window will see us playing hardball to sign the likes of Campbell from costa rica,dithering over major signings only to lose out to other clubs and having to listen to more tosh about mental strength and quality in the squad. No Wenger needs a catastrophy to wake him up. Its sacrilege I know but we need to take a big hit to change things. It goes without saying that finishing 4th is only ever about the money.

  50. Gaz

    Mar 20, 2013, 10:19 #33462

    I think what you actually mean is don't protest until the summer when theres absolutely nothing we can do to make those protests heard. Then we can all go 'oh lets give Wenger yet another chance' and this whole sorry saga continues. And just what is this facination with the Champions League? All it ammounts to is six really boring group games against sides we should beat (but still sometimes dont) leading to a knock-out game that we usually balls up one of the legs in making it impossible to qualify. Does it help us sign better players? Not really. And considering we've had fifteen years of this 'money' coming in we're hardly miles ahead of sides who are hardly ever in it. Tbh I'm so bored of it I hope we dont qualify.

  51. billthered

    Mar 20, 2013, 10:09 #33461

    Well I wondered how long it would take before we actually turned into the spuds,it has happened within the last two seasons and now it is fully blown.We are looking at their games and hoping they get beat and wondering if we can finish above them,what next will we be wearing shirts half Arsenal and half whoever they might play in the Europa league final,remind you of anyone?

  52. Peter Wain

    Mar 20, 2013, 10:02 #33460

    The only problem with us getting 4th place is that it gives Wenger the excuse to say how strong this proves we are. All summer we will then be linked with a number of players buy none and in August be told by the manager that it is difficult to buy better than we already have. When we do invest we pannick buy over spend on fees and wages and buy total rubbish. Santos, Gervinho and Park are three that come under this heading but there are others too many in recent years. What we need is a total clear out of the dross which infects the first team squad and to buy top top quality players not fat overweight Brazilian full backs. To do this we also need a new owner, ceo, board and manager. Also need new scouts because whoever thought that Santos was a professional footballer, Gervinho could play or Mertsacker could run needs help. We also need to review our academy which is showing signs of being in need of new direction.

  53. Don

    Mar 20, 2013, 9:53 #33459

    4TH PLACE IS NOT A TROPHY.WE ARE A SO CALLED BIG CLUB.BIG CLUBS WIN TROPHIES WE DONT.THE HEIGHT OF OUR AMBITION EVERY SEASON NOW IS FINISH ABOVE THE SPUDS.AND OUR WAGE BILL IS £50M MORE THAN THEIR'S

  54. Ron

    Mar 20, 2013, 9:43 #33458

    There does remain the view though that failing to qualify for an unwinnable tournament at the hands of the spuds carries longer term benefit for the Club? Many now subscribe to that view. Im not so sure. Its only the missing out at the hands of the spuds that bothers me though, not missing the tedium of the CL thats gets worse each season as we scratch and fart about getting through groups, containing tireseome Clubs before collapsing and losing to the first real opposition we meet!

  55. HowardL

    Aug 20, 2012, 9:57 #25527

    What a pile of negative posts! I'm with CanadaGooner; it's far too early to make such harsh judgments on a team which is still learning to play together. No goals against a Sunderland side who 'parked the bus' has happened before and it will happen again. I was an AMG for much of last season and I'm certainly a long long way from returning to an AKB, but what can Wenger do against the sort of money that is flowing around the top of the Premiership? Saturday - first game - lovely weather - nice ground - 60,000 crowd - good atmosphere - a couple of beers. Glasgow Rangers v E Stirling, anyone?

  56. Paul

    Aug 20, 2012, 9:55 #25526

    @Graham spot on.We are in a fight for fourth place.Once we can get used to that we can enjoy the season.Forget the title forget the CL.We are a team that are in a mini league behind the two Manchester clubs and Chavski.We wont win the league again under the present manager and ownership.We have to face facts

  57. Leo Zis

    Aug 20, 2012, 8:51 #25521

    Good bye Robin Van PURSE!

  58. Joe S.

    Aug 20, 2012, 8:41 #25520

    Chelsea are going to win the Premier League and the only time that can stop them are Sir Alex's mob spurred on by the twin strike force of Rooney and our ex captain. City will be there abouts but I'm not so convinced they can repeat. As Canada G said " we are where we are" which unfortunately is not in a very good place. Hopefully we'll make a good fight over the crumbs to beat off Liverpool, Newcastle, Spurs and Everton.

  59. Bmth gooner Pete

    Aug 20, 2012, 7:49 #25519

    On the whole a good article but a littlet too forgiving. had we secured Mata when we should and hazard when we should we would no doubt have retained our lost stars... But they have gone. santi is an exciting player and i look forward to seeing him with Jack. giroud is a french bendtner, did we really need another. Podolski another arshavin, we are just going sideways. I was very dissappointed to see bartley go while retain djourou and pace target meatstacker. Well i am ready for another tough season, one where i might not make a game and a few will be on the telly and i wont see them...... If AFC cant be bothered why should I? Please drop me a line when we buysomeone who can finish....Ba.? Even saints scored 2

  60. BP

    Aug 20, 2012, 6:36 #25518

    I thought the game was a bit lackluster due to fact that we couldn't score a single goal to open up play. We had chances. Let's see what happens next week. A while back, I traveled to London from the US to watch Arsenal play. Diaby, Song, and Wilshire were in the starting line-up. Diaby was most influential player on the pitch that day. Wilshire was red carded. Song played well. The problem with Diaby is his health and the fact he isn't a DM. Otherwise I think he will surprise this year if he stays healthy. I don't have a problem losing Song as Diaby can play just as well and neither are excellent defenders. Where is the loss really? Podolski seemed as if he was unfamiliar with the central striker role. I've only seen him play a wide position for country and he played it well. I'm not confident that a central role is a good role for him. Sahin's transfer is imminent and he will create more excitement. We need outside backs. I'm not sure why we do not loan Ramsey. He really struggles; he lacks vision and slows the team down. I can't imagine us doing well if Ramsey gets playing time. Though I don't like that we transfer so much quality every year, selling Van Persie was good business. It's not likely that he will stay healthy an entire season and Arsenal were able to sell high. Too bad we sold him to ManUtd, but I don't think it will matter in the end.

  61. AussieRussianGooner

    Aug 20, 2012, 1:38 #25517

    Very good read. For what its worth, Van Persie missed a very similar chance to Grioud (on his left mind you) at home against United last year. Before he actually scored one. I feel we will start to collect points regularly this season. I just hope that will start to happen before we let the leaders open up a 10 point lead on us.

  62. CanadaGooner

    Aug 20, 2012, 0:29 #25516

    very good start to the season Kev (a fair article). to the doom-mongers on here, the season has started! as i always say, i'll have my moan pre-season, once the season starts, what we have is what we have. let's get behind the team! Giroud wont get better through slating! give the lad a chance! once again we have a team that's several players short of a premiership winning side, but we are where we are!

  63. gnasher81

    Aug 19, 2012, 23:01 #25515

    It is alledged that there are 'other' reasons behind the departure of Song, more to do with the players personal life than football ones. I agree with Wenger though, this is our most populated position with Diaby, Arteta, Cazorla playing on Saturday, and with Ramsey, Rosicky, Wilshere, Ox and most likely Sahin all ready to play there. I for one can see the more disciplined Arteta making the holding role his own, with Cazorla and Wilshere the creative force in front of them.

  64. Don

    Aug 19, 2012, 22:48 #25514

    A work in progress.The Pyramids took less time to build.Arsenal havent won a trophy since London won the bid to stage the Olympics.There's more chance of Jason Statham making a good film than us winning a trophy.Progress means improvement we are not improving 19pts behind the top 2 is not progress

  65. Graham

    Aug 19, 2012, 22:24 #25513

    Online Ed have you turned into an AKB during the summer?Not even Wenger would come out with a work in progress comment.Because its so far wide of the mark.There is no progress.How can there be when every summer our best players are leaving the club.Progress when poor players like Diaby and Feo are still at the club.Please Mr Rodgers take Feo off our hands.We wont finish top 3 this season not a hope in hell.City United were light years ahead of us anyway and Roman has put his hand in his pocket to stop a repeat of last years 6th.So its a good old fight for 4th place.Maybe thats what you meant by a work in progress.

  66. Red Tony

    Aug 19, 2012, 22:02 #25512

    Well done Kev "A Work In Progress" is up there with "we are only 1% behind Man Utd" and "If Cesc and Nasri leave we cant be called a big club" as stupid sayings.When will this work in progress bare fruit 2025? However you try to find positives Kev there are none.Next season you will be saying" Be patient we are getting there"

  67. Stevesam

    Aug 19, 2012, 19:48 #25511

    Can anyone solve the mystery of Henri Lansbury. He has been at the Club 5 years, signed an extension to his contract a year ago, has captained England youth at under 16 & 19, been on loan 4 times. Is he injured ? No squad number. Has he been 'killed' again by Diaby. I would like to see him get his chance, but like Bartley I fear the worst. Still we have got Squillaci, Bendtner, Arshavin and Park, so much for 'project youth'.

  68. Deja Vu

    Aug 19, 2012, 19:28 #25510

    financially it was a good day - a full house and lots of money taken as it was hot and we sold lots of drinks, new shirts etc. moving to the less important part of the day, the team looked ''new'' again ,a bit like they didnt all know eachother (they dont) and like a work in progress (again). THIS IS THE YEAR THAT THE BOARD'S STRATEGY COMES CRUMBLING DOWN AROUND ITS HEAD. WAS MEANT TO HAPPEN LAST YEAR BUT RVP SAVED US. IT WONT HAPPEN THIS YEAR. 5TH OR 6TH AND 65 POINTS AT BEST

  69. Moscow Gooner

    Aug 19, 2012, 18:49 #25508

    Lord Froth: get real - who would put money into the Club - or any business - without any say on how it s to be spent??!! At the current rate it would just go from Usmanov straight into Stan s back pocket!

  70. Martin

    Aug 19, 2012, 18:39 #25507

    A couple of comments: RVP - I thought he was pretty much ignored yesterday, one minor chant which never picked up. The sol Campbell some must have been misheard, sol's name was replaced by mo farrah, so no issues there. Can all posters who call for AW to go please name his successor. Yes the board should move heaven and earth to line up Pep Guardiola, but unless di Matteo provides further miracles, I have no doubt he will be at CFC next year. 4th is not good enough for some but getting beyond that in a league with the Russian, sheiks and mufc.'s buying power is still some achievement. Some stability will help but is going to be difficult with players, coached to the top of their game by AW all too willing to move on.

  71. jj

    Aug 19, 2012, 18:32 #25506

    I thought it was very pre season yesterday. Several players were finding their fitness For me Diaby is a five a side player who can't play in bigger spaces and we need another player in that position. After the game I thought the atmosphere was flat and if Wenger doesn't get some decent results in the first 10 games I sense the crowd will be quick to turn on him this time around. I just got the feeling that the vast majority are on cusp of having enough.

  72. Joaquin

    Aug 19, 2012, 17:46 #25505

    Give the lads a chance to bed-in and get properly fit. Nobody played a full 90 minutes in any of the team's pre-season matches. There are still 111 points available. I remain cautiously optimistic about this group. Up the Arsenal.

  73. allybear

    Aug 19, 2012, 17:15 #25504

    Johnny your spot on. How many seasons have we had to put up with excuses from Wenger about players wanting to leave. Why is it always long drawn out? The answer is BAD management&no matter what some might say AW is well past his sell by date. I have been saying this for quite some time and i really hope that he goes soon or Arsenal will never progress.

  74. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 19, 2012, 17:01 #25503

    Another season another work in progress how many times every season have we heard that if he'd stop letting our best players run their contracts down in order to flog them for a profit maybe some season the work might be complete.I was beginning to wonder was it a new season at all as things looked familiar a team comes for a point home team has plenty of possession away team defends well and gets their point.There will certainly be bigger tests for our defence in weeks to come but overall big improvement needed.

  75. Peter Wain

    Aug 19, 2012, 16:46 #25502

    Did anyone see that the under 18 side lost 5-1 to Bolton. Not much hope for young players then.

  76. DW Thomas

    Aug 19, 2012, 15:19 #25501

    Ok. We all agree Cazorla is class,but why? Cause he zips the ball around, has sublime skill and vision, and is more direct than say Diaby. But he needs others like him, in a similar vein. Walcott especially is a one trick pony,nothing but speed and inconsistency. Giroud looked good I thought, solid on the ball and strong. I do want Diaby to do well as he has the talent, but he dithers too much on the ball. At least he shoots from distance though! If he played more 1 and 2 touch passes he would dominate. Can't believe Ramsey and Arshavin Cameron to win the game. Ramsey I like but he still can't shoot and why oh why is someone like Arshavin still at our club? He is exactly the type of player that is the poster boy for the club these days. Not enough work ethic and hot and cold. We still badly need new signings to replace both RVP and Song and we know it's not likely to happen. How on earth do you sell 4 key starters in 2 years (2 world class in Cesc and RVP) and not replace? By the way what is up with Park and why is even still at the club? He looked decent at the Olympics and had a great work ethic. We only hear half truths and spin these days from the club. Sure, Wilshere is great, but by the time he returns the season's title challenge could well be over. The signs already are showing. Do you think City or United will drop points at home like yesterday? no chance. Each year we hear the same things from Wenger. And each year he fails. Just tired of it.

  77. AFC Finance Department

    Aug 19, 2012, 15:11 #25500

    Plenty of positives from yesterday. A full house to go with all the pre - season tickets already sold to our loyal customers, plus new season merchandise flying off the shelves at The Armoury! The conclusion to a fantastic day on the trade floor was the post - entertainment announcement of a second inflated asset sale. The first quarter profit projection has ascended well beyond our expectations. A great bottom line, er, I mean "result", for everyone! On a side note, even the football department posted a one point gain, which means the business only requires the football department to gain two more points to rise to our pre - term prediction of fourth place in the Premiership Index! Enjoy the rest of your week everyone, your brand is proud of you. I'm off for a few lines and a Filipina masseuse with all the trimmings. Thanks for covering that, by the way.

  78. halfempty

    Aug 19, 2012, 15:11 #25499

    you've taken too much notice of the akb's giving you a hard time. the responsibility for choosing, and changing, the players on view and the way they play is down to one man- le boss. gibbs, diaby, mertesacker, and especially diaby were all guilty of dwelling on the ball and generally making no effort to move the play forward with any incision. and yet they came out after halftime playing exactly the same way. for all his faults, at least ramsey tries to open up defences with forward balls, and had managed a shot within a minute of his appearance. gibbs merely takes the space needed by gervinho and invariably fails himself to attack the fullback- santos at home is a much better option. and only one lone striker. we're winning nothing this year, just get used to the idea everyone.

  79. Lord Froth

    Aug 19, 2012, 13:26 #25498

    Why do people think that Usmanov is the saviour. There's nothing stopping him putting money into the team now if he wants. Why does he need to be on the board? Also, we've only played one game and didn't lose. Why not give the new players a chance to bed in before spitting out the dummy. Everyone moans about Wenger but other than Chelsea, Man City and Man United, two of which have unlimited cash and one is richer and a far bigger club than Arsenal, which team in England is doing better than us, Liverpool, Spurs, Aston Villa?

  80. Joe S.

    Aug 19, 2012, 13:17 #25497

    Sounds like our Ed. had to work hard to keep this post as positive as possible to appease a certain group of fans.

  81. dartford gooner

    Aug 19, 2012, 12:20 #25495

    Poor game again from theo. To many side passes that gave sunderland time to get 10 back behind the ball.I can't believe the stick jenkinson is getting, when you think back at the hero worship a certain crap right back got the mind boggles.I am a bit confused that people are saying that Sahin will be a great buy? how many people have ever seen him play? We must get another striker in because the cover we have is just not good enough. Cazorla looks good but the other two signings need time to settle.Fellow gooners call van persie what you like but please don't pretend he will not be greatly missed.

  82. Talkin bout a Revolution

    Aug 19, 2012, 12:19 #25494

    2006: Work in progress 2007: Work in progress 2008: Work in progress 2009: Work in progress 2010: Work in progress 2011: Work in progress 2012: Work in progress Wow. Arsene Wenger must be the only manager of an elite club in the world who has almost ten years to complete a 'work in progress' but keeps progressively standing still or going backwards! Gosh wake up. I find it laughable/scary that Arsenal are going to rely on two dodgy players like Podolski and Giroud for the attack all year. Cash being made on transfers as usual. Selling club. AW showing he is a tactical retard, playing one up top at HOME to SUNDERLAND. Jesus Christ. Still. I suppose a manager on £7.5 million a season is entitled to spend the best part of 8 years on a 'work in progress' eh? When we moved to the Emirates did the fans know it would take 8 years for a 'work in progress" to come good? And did they know it would cost them £1300 a season!!! Which club charges that for a 'work in progress'?? It's like being charged £300 for a half-cooked meal!!! Crazy. Still. I suppose soon a load of apologists will instantly revise their original goals for the season and claim 'we can get Top 4'. Yep. 'Top 4' trophy again. AMAZING. WOW!

  83. Vanpire Persie

    Aug 19, 2012, 12:18 #25493

    The difference between this team and one capable of challenging for the title: Nasri, RVP, Fabregas.... The new players may come good, but they should have strengthened the squad, not patched it up.

  84. Jackson

    Aug 19, 2012, 12:01 #25492

    You cant keep selling our best players every summer and expecting things to improve.We are a feeder club with no ambition.Thats the truth the evidence is the last 7 years.I feel sorry for Cazorla undoubtedly a quality player but like Cesc and RVP before him will be asked to carry the dross.Cazorla has played alongside Xavi Iniesta and Cesc well welcome to Diaby and Ramsey.

  85. Larry Shaw

    Aug 19, 2012, 11:40 #25491

    Ivan Gazidis can sleep soundly tonight : £40 million in the bank with RVP gone & Song about to go ,our 2 best players last season : for the 2nd season in a row our 2 best players sold & now a team that could not score in a brothel ! well done Ivan. James Olley in fridays standard says 4th place is our minimum expectation : he is wrong it is our maximum expectation we are now the nursery club of Europe a laughing stock that will continue until Usmanov is allowed to join the board

  86. Johnny

    Aug 19, 2012, 11:39 #25490

    I think everyone is missing the point about Song.There is no way the new manager and coaches at the best club in the world havent asked Cesc what he thought about Song and whether he could do a job for Barca and asked about his attitude.What Song will do though is win medals at Barca.Its strange isnt it that whenever a player leaves Arsenal its always the players fault never the manager

  87. Kenny

    Aug 19, 2012, 11:27 #25489

    And how long is this work in proress going to take Kev?Another 7 years?.Is this Wengers new project.After yesterdays game in the pub we were saying whats going to happen next season when we wont have any big players to sell?We are running out of them. Unless Cazorla leaves when we fail to make the top 4.Its going to be a long old season

  88. Colin

    Aug 19, 2012, 11:17 #25488

    Work in Progress.Never was a headline so wrong.There will not be any progess while Wenger remains.Last year Wenger was saved by RVP never in a million years would we have made the top 4 without him.Arsenal are trading water until Wenger leaves.Some fans think that will be in two years but dont rule out Kroenke giving our serial loser another 4 year contract.The nightmare continues.Some good news though was told yesterday Walnutt has been offered a 70k a week contract and wont sign it and will be sold before the window shuts.So some good news at last

  89. GoonerRon

    Aug 19, 2012, 11:09 #25487

    Kevin - I have sometimes criticised your editorial as focusing on the negatives too much, so in the interests of balance I think your latest offering is spot on. Fair play.

  90. Gare Kekeke

    Aug 19, 2012, 11:05 #25486

    The game against Sunderland was no different to what we have seen in recent seasons. One good thing I did notice was that we didn’t have the ball; there was a willingness to get it back where as in recent seasons there was a lazy attitude when we didn’t have the ball. A Steve Bould tactic perhaps? The clean sheet does not fool me (although very pleasing) as Sunderland offered very little on the attacking front. The real test will come at Stoke next week, a fixture Wenger probably loathes with a passion. Excellent debut for Cazorla, Podolski & Giroud would have to improve but they deserve the time to adapt to the rigours of Premier League football. I won’t shed a tear for Song’s departure and I think the club have done well to get £15m for him. For a DM, he sure knows how to leave a leaky defence exposed but then maybe Tito Vilanova would instil a disciplined role in Song that Wenger couldn’t or wouldn’t. A bit of a shame as for a couple of seasons, Song was emerging into a good player but thinks he is better than what he is. But we shall see on that. Whether it’s Nurin Sahin or someone else, we need a proper DM urgently as Coquelin & Frimpong are relatively unproven and personally I think Frimpong is a big-time Charlie. Four years have passed since the unnecessary sales of Diarra & Gilberto and to this day, none of them have been replaced. Denilson & Diaby? They may have ‘killed’ their own Arsenal careers rather than an experienced DM. No need for panic stations yet for The Arsenal. It could be worse. You could be a fan of QPR, Norwich or even Liverpool. Up The Arsenal!

  91. He Shoots He Misses

    Aug 19, 2012, 11:03 #25485

    Kev i think you are being very kind.Nothing really has changed over the summer we have brought in a top class player in Cazorla but lost one in RVP.I dont buy into the hype about Podolski and Giroud.In fact i predict Giroud will be the new Gervinho banging in goals left right and centre in an average French league but found out in the prem.How is Diaby still starting games for us? Thats tell you all you need to know about Wenger mark my words he will get injured in the next few weeks and miss the rest of the season.£60k a week!.Walcott looked like a player who cant wait to leave no loss there.Clint Dempsey a proven prem player who has averaged 15 goals a season should be sanpped up but we all know we wont it would kill Diaby and Ramsey.Another season but no change

  92. Dan h

    Aug 19, 2012, 11:03 #25484

    Not for the first time O'Neill has set his team up at either the emirates or even Highbury to play this way & more teams have worked out to defend deep against us.Cazorla showed plenty on his debut picks a lovely pass & also if nothing is on will shoot from distance which we have needed for several seasons.Giroud & Podolski will take longer to bed in & like many i have not seen enough of the former either for France or Montpellier.With the Song sale we are again in surplus for incoming fees Sahin may well come in.Song is replaceable imo the problem we had with him again no competition for his place AW would pick him regardless of form we really need a sitting DM.The attitude rumours are true to the point things came to a head in Germany between Song & Steve Bould who was raging at his lack of application & attitude.Will more be added to the squad by 1st sept we will see again i will mention Walcott if no deal can be agreed on the managers own words we cannot allow an international player to go for free.Mr.Gazidas & the DDT will be satisfied with matters to the point the player trading account is added to as it stands.It certainly looks like money in the PTA is being held you all have your own views on this but if we were ever going to invest a decent amount in the team surely it would have been this summer?Anyway things will be clearer by the end of august!

  93. aws

    Aug 19, 2012, 11:03 #25483

    Agree with your article in the main except for the comment that the match was at the fag end of MOTD. Arsenal matches are generally at the end of the programme. No bnias of course!

  94. Ando

    Aug 19, 2012, 11:03 #25482

    The loss of concentration you mentioned will be repeated and a better team will make more of it.We managed to sell the only player we had who knew where the net was. Alas it was all too much of a plod from overated average players, It would be nice to see some anger or urgency, but you wont find that from a set up that has encouraged you not to win anything in recent seasons. 4th is 1st, where does 5th get you these days!

  95. Gary

    Aug 19, 2012, 10:44 #25481

    Put a big sign outside the Emirates "WORK IN PROGRESS COME BACK WHEN WENGER LEAVES".Watching Arsenal yesterday was like watching every Wenger team since 2006 with the exception of the 2007/08 with Cesc Flamini Helb and Rosicky in midfield.We are a team who have tons of possession but are ponderous with no cutting edge.We got away with the deficiencies last season because we had a world class striker.When i saw that line up yesterday with garbage like Diaby Gervihno and Walcott starting i dispaired.And then playing one striker at home v the mighty Sunderland.Yesterday we saw once again that Wenger is tactically bankrupt.Why doesnt he makes subs at half time instead of 70 mins and why doesnt he go three at the back when the opposition are only intent on defence.Wenger is too set in his ways to change and we have an owner who wont put him and us out of our misery.Its 4th place at the very best this season.That should keep TV and Cazorla at the club next summer

  96. Au Revior Wenger

    Aug 19, 2012, 10:24 #25480

    How much longer are we going to say its a work in progress Kev.I think you have gone very easy on us.It was the same old Arsenal loads of possesion but no cutting edge.It isnt helped by our clueless mangager who continues to play with a lone striker.Yes do it at OT and Eastlands but at home to Sunderland c'mon.With have too hit and miss wingers and surely Walcott will be sold before the window closes or else he goes for free next summer.And mark my words at the end of this window we will be in profit on transfers.I said before the start of the season we will finish 4th but we will finish about 15 points behind the top 2.I think i was being optimistic.Same manager same results

  97. MRMROD

    Aug 19, 2012, 10:23 #25479

    For the most part this article is spot on. Rather predictably, Giroud's aforementioned miss was greeted with 'RVP would have put that away'...but who cares. RVP *spit* is history and the club is £24m better of for it. As for Song, most honest Arsenal fans will agree that we can take or leave him. He was incredibly frustrating and very unconvincing at times. Sahin could be a better, quality replacement but only time will tell. Barca dont normally sign tubes so they have seen something in Song but i'd imagine ultimately he'll be picking up plenty of splinters alongside a significantly larger salary. On a positive note a defence with Jenkinson and Mertesacker kept a clean sheet; Diaby remained injury free, Cazorla looked amazing and Wilshire is a game closer to a much needed return.

  98. Danish Gooner

    Aug 19, 2012, 10:04 #25477

    Work in progress going on 8th season now,fire Wenger he will never live it up.