The Good, the Bad and Gervinho

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The Good, the Bad and Gervinho

Gervinho: Er… heavily involved


Let’s make no bones about it, a draw is a fantastic result away to the defending champions. Along with the trips to Old Trafford and Stamford Bridge, Manchester City away is one of the fixtures that getting anything from is a bonus. And yet, there is a strange feeling of frustration because Arsenal could have actually won this game.

The main culprit was Gervinho, who returned to the serial misser of chances that we all know from last season. On one level, he is good enough to get into the positions to enjoy really promising chances. And yet, so often, there is no end product. Olivier Giroud was on the bench once again, and it would be a major surprise if he did not get the opportunity to break his duck in the League Cup game with Coventry on Wednesday evening. However, if he does not become an automatic first choice, the decision not to buy a more orthodox striker aside from Giroud may become one to regret, unless Gervinho develops a consistency in front of goal that has never looked likely.

Still, aside from that weakness, the Gunners matched their petrodollar-built hosts and more. They were hungrier in the tackle, and generally passed the ball around the Eastlands pitch more accurately, carving the opposition apart more than once. Yet the intensity of the clash meant that even Arteta and Cazorla played a few uncharacteristically bad passes. Some players who doubts have been expressed about proved their worth. Both Mertesacker and Ramsey had huge games and were key to Arsenal’s resistance. Koscielny came in for Vermaelen and performed creditably. Both full backs did their reputations no harm at all against difficult opponents.

City’s opener was a shocker though. Zonal marking has its critics, although it can work if players have enough aggression in them to defend their area and make life difficult. Lukas Podolski was poor in this regard and Vito Mannone was in no man’s land flapping at air like too many Arsenal keepers of late. There is work to be done here, although Mannone did recover to make two excellent saves over the course of the remainder of the match. But the cheap concession of an unnecessary goal undid all of the good work of the first half when the visitors ran the show, outnumbering City in central midfield.

As the heavens opened for the second half, one wondered what kind of response we’d see. It was a more even contest, but Arsenal clung on and created opportunities. Sadly, most of them fell to Gervinho, but the pressure told with a thumping strike after a corner clearance fell to Koscielny. City had their chances too, and I would say a draw was a fair result over the 90 minutes. However, that the Gunners could restrict Roberto Mancini’s men to one goal with a back four featuring two youngsters with a back up keeper between the sticks is a huge credit to them.

Nine points out of the first five matches is a fine return when you consider that three difficult away trips have been negotiated. The tough contests do not stop with Chelsea visiting next weekend, a different kind of test. One imagines they will be less open and that opportunities to finish might be more scarce. Aside from a first half free-kick, I am struggling to remember Joe Hart being really tested until Cazorla’s strike after over 80 minutes of the game had gone. At times, the words banjo and cow’s arse floated across my mind, and Gervinho was not the only culprit.

With Arsenal about to announce their annual figures, which will doubtless show a significant amount of money was available over the summer, this result was a timely one for Arsene Wenger and the board. Whether the decision not to spend some of that on further attacking depth will prove a costly one on the pitch, time will tell. But if we are relying on the Mekon-headed Ivorian to replace Robin van Persie, then I can already give you the answer.

Before I wrap up, a couple of extras I just need to squeeze in. Firstly, for those attending the League Cup game on Wednesday, if you buy the current issue of the Gooner (number 227), we will throw in a copy of issue 226 (the first this season, which was only on sale for one home game) free. So that’s two for the price of one, £2 buys you two different issues. This is while stocks last. Once they’re gone, they’re gone.

Next up, we don’t usually do this, but as a 15-year-old Gooner is cycling from Bristol to London for charity, then we’ll make an exception. Brodie Couzins aka Cockneygooner3 on Twitter is doing the ride for the Ben Kinsella trust and if you want to sponsor him, you can do so through justgiving here. Hopefully he’ll raise plenty of money for a worthy cause getting saddle sore.

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  1. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 21, 2013, 1:01 #35966

    Rocky RIP,hear what your saying especially with the naming of names but saying that, as someone else has already pointed out it hasn't worried fans of other clubs who have already made a tidy sum telling their stories. I'm sure there's still plenty of gooners who were there still about and it would be interesting to hear their stories ,and surely nobody holds grudges anymore especially the club.A lot of unsavory things went on back then alright and the last thing anybody wants is a return to that,and there's been a hell of a lot of changes since those days, but at the end of the day it's part of football history no matter what way anybody looks at it.But it might be more profitable to write a book than an article but a couple of titbits would be well worth reading.

  2. Rocky RIP

    Jun 20, 2013, 22:25 #35965

    maguiresbridge - I'd happily write an article, and I agree it's intriguing reading, but I'm not very well placed at all on incidents such as Liberties '85. Because I wasn't there! If I was I'd be running the other way too. Green Hut sounds far better placed and I get the feeling he knows a bit more than he lets on (in a good way.)I saw a few other incidents like most will have done through merely being at games. I'm also reliably informed by people who are quite honest. I'd happily read an honest account from someone who was there though. I'm also curious about where most people who were quite notorious in '84 are now. Are they still about? Not to glorify them, but out of curiosity and to sense quite how far the demographic at games has changed. I know the Bear died, and many got banned, but also know one or two that are still round and about the pubs. Is it fair to name people on here? I'm a bit scared to mention one in person, who I've never met, but is rather notoriously psychotic. I agree with Ron as well. There was a lot of terrible things going on, and football was a seriously dangerous hobby back then, but it was so much more exhilarating. Arriving at games 2 hours early and getting your spot and loving the build up in songs. We'd always 'warm up' with that clapping one (the same as the clapping 'Arsenal!' one, but no shouting.) Does anyone remember that? You'd come home with your ears ringing and throat hoarse, often bouncing from a win. The atmosphere is so sanitised now. Football needs to find a happy medium between the two now as it's gone too far in the other direction and lost much of its edge. Few would argue that they want all the danger back, but something went missing when they cleaned the game up, as they had to. Safe standing and cheaper tickets is the future in my opinion.

  3. Ron

    Jun 20, 2013, 21:54 #35964

    BADARSE - You've summed up Jon Sammels there perfectly. On your point of him being with big guns that sort of held him back, he was excellent when went to Leicester. He was a big fish there alongside Weller, Birchenall, Shilton, Nish and Co. Jimmy Bloomfield (RIP) sort of imported loads of londoners and they had a really good side for 2-3 years. PS I never got involved in the trouble, but had a few hairy moments avoiding it. Recall going to Stoke and their rabble giving Charlie G a load of stick, till he scored and then he gave them (the old mental Boothen End at the old Victoria ground there) the fingers just before the end. The fleeing run to the station at Stoke was harrowing to say the least mate. Ha. I've actually thanked Charlie personally for that. He remembered doing it and laughed his n--ts off!

  4. BADARSE

    Jun 20, 2013, 20:56 #35961

    Ron,you are so right pal.The passion washed all over you the moment you stepped into the ground.Atmosphere electric.Never raised a fist in anger,but did stop a bit of rowdy behaviour once or twice,with my words,not any aggression.Hope you Rocky RIP,and you too Seven Kings Gooner,are enjoying us two cannons firing broadside memories at each other,haha.Jon Sammels,was one of those guys who looked incredibly smart on the pitch,I know he loved Arsenal,and he looked like a model in our home strip,as if it was made for him.He was a very stylish ball player,and because of this was hounded by the boo-boys.I like to think it was due to the fact that his footballing skill was beyond them.A player who plays the ball away quickly attracts little criticism,if it finds it's man,whereas Sammy would hold the ball,look for openings,find them two or three out of five times,but be slated for the passes that didn't.He saw passes ordinary players didn't.A story from the team,after that Monday night's final whistle,at WHL in '71,he sat in the dressing room completely overcome with emotion that 'his' Arsenal were at last the champions of England.He used to glide across the pitch,an elegant Gooner.Had he not have been at AFC,with so many 'Big Guns'to compete with,he would have been one of the all-time stars at ordinary clubs.

  5. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 20, 2013, 20:52 #35960

    Rocky RIP, Green Hut, what about saving the nostalgia of your last two posts for an article, even though times have moved on would still be a great read.

  6. Ron

    Jun 20, 2013, 19:06 #35958

    BADARSE - Thats the goal mate. He was nearest to you in West stand when he got it, moved a bit and belted it. Sammels used to get unfair stick didn't he, but i rated him. He was one of Billy Wright's kids. BW laid most of the foundations for our double team in 71 didnt he. Hell of a shot on him as you say. Ive always felt cheated ever since not really seeing it properly!Just that the clock end net shook and the sane ones in the North Bank went mad and the insane ones just booted the few remaining Utd fans again. So far as i know the mancs never attempted the North Bank again. Spent my time ducking under crash barriers, looking behind me and shifting about to avoid it mate. It was really hot day, early season - Late Aug maybe. I know it was about half 12 to 1.00 when i was in the ground. Loved it. The crowd stuff was bad in those days, but i defy anybody who went to games regularly to say they didn't love the buzz and tribalism it gave. Modern stadia are all well and good but they're sterile places with no edge. Pity we cant get it back minus the braces, Doc Martens and faded jeans plus knuckle dusters and chains eh!!

  7. Green Hut

    Jun 20, 2013, 18:10 #35956

    Rocky RIP- That's the one mate, went off on Barking Road and then Arsenal went in their Main Stand lower tier where the fighting kicked off again, delaying the game. Police took the Arsenal out and walked them up to the South Bank where they got a round of applause from the travelling Gooners. Knew a lot of faces but not many names at the time only the obvious ones like Denton and Miller but as you say if you went often enough things just seemed to happen around you and I'm just saying what I saw. I believe that t-shirts were printed with Liberties 85 on them but only heard that years later not at the time. At tottenham that same year, apart from the fighting in the Paxton and the Shelf, Arsenal fans ripped 700 seats out of the Park Lane stand, one almost took my head off when someone decided to use it as a frisbee (they were solid wood in those days not the cheap light plastic ones used in later years). One of the tottenham directors said it was the worst ever damage done to their ground, and they had to close that part of the stand for their next game. When you talk about those times you can't really avoid sounding like Danny Dyer, but although the North Bank certainly had it's dark days in the mid/late 70's you're right that from around the time of the West Ham game in 82 no-one seemed as keen to have a crack. Re tottenham, as you say they're the masters at trying to reinvent history but they only got their act together once everyone else had given up doing it every week due to banning orders, section 60 and CCTV and I believe their book only talks about the 90's onwards. EIE Forever In Our Shadow FOYS.

  8. BADARSE

    Jun 20, 2013, 15:12 #35954

    Ron,how strange.That 2-2 draw with Man.U.I was there in the West Stand Lower.Odd coincidence was I saw a 1-1 draw against them 2,or3 years earlier.I went with different people,and for different reasons found myself in the same part of the stadium.I knew there was trouble in the North Bank,but it didn't register how serious it was,I've just learned of that from your post,nearly half a century later,wow!What I can goal do for you is describe Sammy's goal,(hope the memory doesn't play too many tricks here).He crossed the halfway line my side of the pitch,took about four paces with the ball at his feet,looked up,then banged it!He did not lob it!He hit it,hard and true.He had a really hard shot,didn't he?From then on we beat them convincingly at Highbury every season,until they were relegated five or six years later,(I wonder what that feels like?haha)Enjoy this one too Rocky RIP.

  9. Rocky RIP

    Jun 20, 2013, 15:09 #35953

    @Green Hut - West Ham '85? As in 'Liberties 85' ?! I wasn't there as I'm not a hooligan or particularly tough, but have heard the tales. West ham's older lot give Arsenal credit for being just about the only ones to manage this. Arsenal managed to go and sit in the seats which the ICF normally occupied? Right? I know the names of the legendary first 4 through the tuenstiles. That must have taken some organisation and balls. Didn't Arsenal have t-shirts printed up with 'Liberties 85' on them? I hope I don't sound all pwoper Danny Dyer, but anyone around back then couldn't help but notice and/or get tangled up with it to some extent. Which is why when you hear the nonsense people quote from books, it's annoying as you know they're re-inventing history, with tales of taking the NB with perfectly executed pincer movements. Laughable. The biggest lot for re-inventing history in their favour? Any guesses? They do it on the field (lasagne, Henry Norris, the elusive glory years, etc) and off the field (because nobody can prove results.) Incidentally, after the early 60s, when precisely were the glory years? Nobody can ever answer. One year will suffice if 'years' is an exagerration.

  10. Green Hut

    Jun 19, 2013, 22:37 #35928

    Ron- To be fair West Ham used to try and take EVERY London team's end! 1960s a bit before my time anyway mate but apparently late 60's/early 70's was a very good time for Arsenal on the terraces, even old Chelsea I know admit we took liberties in The Shed till the mid-70's. All went a bit quiet for a few years but Rocky RIP as you say in the 80's I saw Arsenal fans involved in so many incidents up and down the country, games at Coventry in 84 and York, tottenham and West Ham in 85 spring to mind. Unsavoury maybe but I'm sure most fans at the stadium these days haven't got a clue about Arsenal's place in the history of terrace culture. Ron, yes West Ham did have a good side around that time, so close to winning the league in 86, but when Tony Cottee left them he chose the wrong club didn't he!

  11. Ron

    Jun 19, 2013, 20:34 #35924

    BADARSE - It was mate yes. Trouble was, from where we were in the North Bank, crowd swaying etc and lurching forward we never realised what a corker goal it was. Was great being there though. just afore half time after we d been hammering em, Best got it at half way and cd see him approaching our goal and went through us like a knife and scored. He was brilliant. The straggler Utd fans who d stayed in the North Bank keeping quiet went mad and had their heads kicked for it. Atrocious really but id never felt atmosphere like that and not sure i have since. That Arsenal team was one emerging from 60s gloom and 2 years or so later we had the double. Im sure it was 69/70 season?

  12. BADARSE

    Jun 19, 2013, 19:57 #35922

    Ron,was that Man.U game the one where Jon Sammels beat Stepney from just inside their half?Scoring at the Clock End?

  13. Ron

    Jun 19, 2013, 19:48 #35921

    Green Hut - West Ham were in North bank every year from mid 60s or it always seemed that way! That Hammers team of early 80 was a good side wasn't it. They had been in Div 2. Parkes Devonshire Brooking and all them. Worst trouble i ever saw was in about 68-69 ish Man Utd at Highbury. We drew 2-2 after being 1 up, Sammels cracker was one of the goals and we had some youth in goal as Wilson got hurt pre match. Best scored, Recall that. Man U got in North Bank and got drove out too. Massive fights and the skinheads were having the boots flying. They just got herded across pitch to the South Bank. It was carnage. 60 odd thousand packed in there and yet gaps 20 feet wide opened up for the fights! Can anybody recall. I was about half way back directly behind goal and it was the real hub of the trouble. Scary. I was about 16/17 tops.

  14. Rocky RIP

    Jun 19, 2013, 19:24 #35919

    @Green Hut - Very true about the police question. I remember some Arsenal fan looking panic-striken but getting the answer right. I was just glad they didn't ask me (probably too young/angelic) as I didn't know who the Arsenal inside right was (or whatever the question was.) I think the guy's answer was Stewart Robson. I was very near the smoke bomb and one of many who fled onto the pitch in complete panic (I was 12.) I got led to the clock End and could see events very clearly from there and you are right. The police/Arsenal forced them to the back of the NB and surrounded them, possibly for their own safety. I'm no hooligan, but what struck me was it was the last time anyone came onto the NB with any degree of success. I saw plenty of attempts fail dismally and people like West ham just gave up, so from an ordinary fan's point of view it felt good to feel 'protected' from future attacks by our sizeable mob. Anyway, god bless the old lady!

  15. Green Hut

    Jun 19, 2013, 17:52 #35917

    Rocky RIP- West Ham got a shock that day, think they'd been relegated a few years earlier so hadn't been to Highbury for a while and thought it would be easy like 75/76 but all the Arsenal lads from that time had grown up and the ICF launching their smoke bomb was about as good as it got for them that day. Agree that having no fences helped those that wanted to move away (Upton Park also never had fences), but many didn't and when the dust settled the only group of West Ham I could see was about 50 of them high up on the right hand uncovered corner of the North Bank (as you look from the pitch) surrounded by police who were in turn surrounded by Arsenal for the whole game. And afterwards of course was the tragedy of John Dickenson. I remember for the following year's West Ham game police tried to stop a repeat by asking everyone at the turnstiles 'Who played right-back for Arsenal last week?'. I think the answer was Colin Hill.

  16. Rocky RIP

    Jun 19, 2013, 15:08 #35915

    I'm enjoying reading other people's nostalgia. I wasn't there, but the consensus of opinion from those that were is that the Fairs Cup win was the best atmosphere ever at Highbury. Which takes some doing as there were some absolute belters. I really miss Highbury, particularly its charm and class, and most of all the North Bank pre-seating. I'll be honest, I didn't fall in love with Arsenal, I fell in love with Highbury. There again, a not too fond memory is West Ham at home, May 1982. Pretty scary stuff for a young kid looking back. Thankfully, to Arsenal's credit they refused to put fences up so it was easy to spill onto the pitch. Anyone else got vivid memories of that day?

  17. BADARSE

    Jun 19, 2013, 14:58 #35914

    Yes Ron,am sure it was 1965.Peterborough Utd!We took so many knockout blows in those days,until Don Howe's coaching,and him linking up with Bertie Mee.

  18. Ron

    Jun 19, 2013, 14:38 #35912

    BADARSE - Ha Ha . thanks matey. Bit of nostalgia takes some beating doesnt it. Do you recall when Peterboro dumped us out of the Cup? I was taken to that by my old Unc! Cant recall why my Dad wasnt there. That was a low! When do you reckon? 1965 ish? S K G - id love to be able to say i saw the Fairs Cup win. Missed that one sadly. Awesome must have been to have been there. I was 16 before allowed to go on my own so ruled that one out. My first 'derby' was a 4-0 win at Highbury. Never to be forgotten. We hadnt beat them for a good few years. 1967 as i recall. Recall Graham scoring at least once.

  19. BADARSE

    Jun 19, 2013, 14:34 #35911

    We are brothers in arms,buddy.That night in the Fairs' Cup Final was without doubt,the greatest night in Highbury's history.I went to the first leg in Brussels,flew Dan Air,from Luton Airport.The pilots in those days wore goggles,and we heard loud shouts from the cockpit of,'Chocks away!'as we got underway,all good stuff and exciting,though the tail-gunner worried me a bit!The second leg couldn't have been scripted better.Eddie Kelly in the first half,let them know we were serious,then those two goals in quick succession in the second half made those marble halls tremble.Raddy,then Jon Sammels,and I'd still 'walk a million miles,for one of his goals'.You sometimes can't measure a man's worth,those special men.Frank was special.Nice memories to share pal.

  20. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jun 19, 2013, 13:48 #35909

    Badarse, Frank was, and always will be, my number Arsenal player, how he dragged that team over the line in 71 was amazing. However my fondest was the Fairs Cup Final, 2nd leg, just before kicked off he went round every player and told them their "life story" if they should fail their captain. Best night ever at Highbury.

  21. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 19, 2013, 12:37 #35905

    Tony Evans, no need to apologise your just saying what the rest of us think and know.

  22. BADARSE

    Jun 19, 2013, 12:35 #35904

    Ron,hold my hand youngster,come take a walk with me down memory lane.My heroes were firstly Jack Kelsey,on field player was Derek Tapscott.Then Joe Baker who was the shiniest star to me too.Then came an avalanche of contenders,Bob Wilson(the first professor),Big Raddy,Charlie George,Stroller et al,but head and shoulders above everyone,before or since,stood Frank McLintock.One of the many who cried when they left us.Sitting alone in his car,outside the stadium,in floods of tears.To me he will remain the everest of Arsenal Football Club,mind you Ron,keep working at it,your stock keeps rising in my humble opinion!

  23. BADARSE

    Jun 19, 2013, 12:24 #35903

    Seven Kings Gooner,welcome to a unique and exclusive club.Those at the game that day have dwindled dramatically,only a few of us left.This is one of the intrinsic beauties of football.You talk to a stranger,then find he was at the game in question,suddenly there is an odd,but almost tangible connection,I love it!We often took tumbles in the cup in those days,it was food and drink to a young developing Gooner(of course there was no such word in those days,I was proud to be a Gunner).The following season we lost to Man.U away,think that was the 5th round too.I remember sitting at my Dad's feet with the Telly on,and bizarrely the closing minutes of the game were shown.Again,a gluepot surface,us once more trailing 0-1.As the final whistle sounded I quietly began to cry.Big raindrop tears.For me,January,and another season over,as we were generally a mid-table side.I promised myself it wouldn't always be this way.How right I was!

  24. Ron

    Jun 19, 2013, 12:19 #35902

    S.K.G - Baker was my hero then and i reckon the only true hero i ever had from footie mate. We ve had some good forwards down the years right from Raddie (loved him)and the others who followed Joe, but none who ever felt so attached to as him. Terrible when they flogged him to Forest, though he was never the same there even though they did runners up to Utd as i recall in Div 1. He never saw those heady heights with us did he thanks to our joke of a defence.

  25. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jun 19, 2013, 12:07 #35901

    Ron, Badarse I too was at that game when Joe felled Ron Yeats, Yeats was still out cold in the centre circle while Joe Baker was sitting in the bath! I used to go down the front of the West Enclosure and dad's spot was the 2nd post in from the North Bank. When the game ended I walked back up to where he stood, naturally unhappy, but dad was laughing and smiling and I asked him why he was so happy - we had just lost. "We may have lost the football match but we bloody well won the boxing match" he said. Bless him - miss him like mad.

  26. Tony Evans

    Jun 19, 2013, 8:22 #35895

    I for one have reached a cul-de-sac with the situation at Arsenal under Wenger. I desperately want to see some real quality brought in but don't trust Wenger one jot to use the estimated £70M transfer pot wisely and buy genuine quality players and for the positions we actually need them in. Knowing Wenger as we do we know he would much rather still shop at the lower end of the market and any venture outside of his comfort zone will only be due to pressure from the board and will most probably result in a complete waste of the clubs money and set any new manager back even further. Sorry to be so negative but that is how see it at the moment.

  27. BADARSE

    Jun 18, 2013, 19:17 #35886

    Oh,Ron.I was there that day,when Joe punched Yeats.Muddy,greasy pitch,think it was a 5th round game,we lost 0-1.Yeats had given Joe a real hard time,he was the aggressor,and I think Joe slugging him shocked,as well as hurt.I was in the boy's enclosure beside the tunnel and remember looking up at my hero's face,as unbowed and unrepentent walked off.Heart of a lion.I have his autograph somewhere.He,George Eastham,Geoff Strong were a top first division trio,our defence very much a second division crew.Memories,fella.Powerful medicine.

  28. rON

    Jun 18, 2013, 18:44 #35884

    BADARSE - Blimey mate. Thats a shock - Geoff Strong. Just googled it. Saw many of his games as a kid. Very good player alongside Joe and Georgie Eastham et al. Pity that as quick as they created and knocked one in, Jim Furnell, Ure, Vic Groves and Jimmy Macgill and Co would let 2 in at their end. You might say, theres not much change today!!I for sure see similarities in Wengers teams to the mid 60s talented but brittle team. PS Joe Baker - Would have excelled in any era. Quality and had guts to spare, all 5 feet 9 of him. They didn't mess with Joe. Ask Ronnie Yeats, Shankly's 'colossus'. Wasn't so big and hairy after Joes bunch of 5s had landed on the big oaf.

  29. Ron

    Jun 18, 2013, 18:33 #35883

    S.K.G - Absolutely. Alonso, he who would have been with us perhaps a few Seasons back if not for penny pinching on the price. Still quality and still good enough. Arguably would be even better for his experiences in Madrid, but alas, over 30 in Wengerland makes you fit only for a walking frame.

  30. BADARSE

    Jun 18, 2013, 17:23 #35882

    I understand your point Ron,and your passion leaps out of the screen.Tesco?Yes they can adjust the course they steer,as can any,so in principle you are right.I would never bend a knee,or suggest to anyone they should either,but some organisations are easier to reach and to put pressure on.Generally,people become mobilised for personal benefit's,usually money.Especially if the strategy and procedure is simplistic,as in the craziness of the people who wanted a penny off a litre of petrol.Armies took to the road.It was a buzz for most,and a bit like shouting at the teachers through the school railings.A penny came off,the drivers went home,a penny was put back on!To change the fundamentals is a much more difficult job.What if you happen to think that tesco,and other supermarkets, within the UK,should be shunned per se?That would be a tad more difficult.AFC are much closer to Tesco changing course slightly,that's true,rather than outlawing supermarkets,but difficult enough.By the way Ron,I've just learned that Geoff Strong has died,Joe Baker's old strike partner.They plundered goals galore together.Another player,another era,another Arsenal.

  31. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jun 18, 2013, 16:57 #35881

    Ron - I think Alonso (Even at 31) would be able to find Benteke with his fine range of passing and could give us a couple of good years of solid performances and help get some steel back into the team. As for the goalkeeper I wanted Buffon years ago but he is never going to move now.

  32. Ron

    Jun 18, 2013, 16:26 #35879

    S K Gooner - Kompany. So would i mate ad we should have gone for him 5 years back. He s a type whos gone up in the World now though and aspires to the top as so he should do. Great player and sound man listening to him talk, but would look at what we ve got and want more. I d hate to be a top defender and be asked to play in front of Scezney and alogside the statues in that defence. He d ruin his reputation trying to improve things.

  33. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jun 18, 2013, 16:09 #35878

    Ron, I would like Baines at the club, a winger and a full back in one player! If I had worked "half a day in football" I would drive a truck load of cash up to the Etihad and pay whatever was necessary for Kompany. I think he wants to play for us and I think he is Arsenal!

  34. Ron

    Jun 18, 2013, 16:08 #35877

    Mike. Hi. Yes, youre right too mate. They might not, but they might give us heart, they might give us bottle and they might give us impetus to challenge again and make us connect to the Club in a way that the feeble bunch we ve seen for years dont really do (not sure they ever did) since 'project youth' was born. They might just propel the Club to improve to a point when they can genuinly look to aspire to have real Mc Coy stars. These players wont win CL s and might not even make us win the Cups either as you rightly say, but might give us some fight as we lose defiantly? New guys like these would change the mindset of the Club a bit. As i see it, despite dreary 4th spot each season. Arsenal are nowhere in the eyes of the fans. Theyre just looking up through the glass ceiling and not even asking to be let in. Theyre cosy and the vast majority of the squad are too. This lot know they wont win big titles. Bambi Walcott and his talk of aiming high? He ll never win a top tournament wherever he ends up. Hes a wimp with no heart and at a Club that tolerates it and his like. I just reckon the Club needs a jolt sideways beofore it can go upwards Mike. The reality as i see it, im firmly of the view that Wenger couldnt hack it at the very top now, hes scared of truly top players around him and the pressures of vying for top Cups is well beyond a guy whos not been there for the best part of 10 years and hes moulded a Club in his own image. I dont trust him to spend mega cash on new guys now. The types im suggesting would do until we get in a Coach who 'wants it' and creates a Club who do.

  35. Mike

    Jun 18, 2013, 15:52 #35876

    @Ron - I like your assesment and at least you put names to who you think should be brought in. But if you stand back and look at the list - Benteke, Diame, Nolan, Begovic - I guess they are solid players but wont set the world alight -Baines I like but we have already got two left backs. As for myself - I can't think of anyone off-hand who is availableso well done to you for putting some names down

  36. Ron

    Jun 18, 2013, 15:40 #35874

    BADARSE - 'Customer power' though my friend. That shakes things, like its shaking TESCO as we speak (so pleased - vile organisation). The customer is telling them, we dont much rate you right now, your format is stale, your products arent what they were, youre cutting corners etc etc . Result - over 1% drop in profits. Lot of money to them, a cash cow. Result - theyre changing things. Looking at what their customers are saying. We re 'customers' of Arsenal.They told us we are with their 'match day experience" Us who do moan about whats on the main course, should refuse to eat it as its stale, its old hat, its not nutritional any more. Im not saying go to a different reaturant. Im just saying eat at home. Orgs like govts as you speaak of are tolerated. We ve not much choice for some years other than to suffer till they die themselves or we boot them out, but a two penny halfpenny football Club is soon forced to change if fans adopt a common position. Its just that too many at Arsenal are as set in Wengerland as as are penguins at the South pole and think that the landscsape cant change. 'Fear' keeps the present regime there at Arsenal, generated via so many of the modern day fans knowing no other experience just like the fear of chucking the Tories out under years of Thatcher kept her and her cronies in cosy jobs as voters then had known no different for so long. Wenger out. Gazadis out. Kreonke out. Arsenal dont need the leeches.

  37. CanadaGooner

    Jun 18, 2013, 14:37 #35871

    @maguiresbridge goner; been at my annual golfing in the mountains to get my mind off footie. The excuses repeatedly tabled by the Arsenal management has become so tiresome, that I am actually considering a different approach this season. We know what the inevitable is; we don't seem able to change anything, so, sadly, it may be time to just put up with what arsenal has become and wait for that day when Gazidis gets shown the door. @ Stroud Green Road boy: yes, fair comment.

  38. BADARSE

    Jun 18, 2013, 14:31 #35870

    Stroud Green Road Boy,eight years?Is that all?You're having a laugh!Why when I were a boy,we lived in t' 'ole in middle of t' road.It's all about perspective buddy.We have to measure differently,obviously.How could we expect sympathy or understanding from the likes of Huddersfield Town,where Herbie Chapman came from.Where they bagged three titles on the bounce;those fans could never have dreamed on that day in May1926,that they would never win a trophy again!So it's obvious their view and ours would not,could not,coincide.It comes down to finer nuances for sure,but we can hold different perspectives within the same club,and we do.In your earlier post,which I promised to comment upon,you said that if the current modus operandi continues,then nothing will change.Well,it's very unlikely to,and you don't need me to tell you that.So the sour visage remains.You see in any walk of life,if by happenchance,or good strategy planning,you find a cash cow,generally,you milk it.Kroenke has his,AFC.Now despite titles or job descriptions,both Gazidis,and to a slightly lesser extent the manager have theirs.Probably the tealady does too.Perhaps it's endemic at the club now.To continue in this state is automatic once the mindset is established.It happens everywhere,and can be impossible to shake.Yet do you not see it all around you?In parliament the MPs are in a cosy,exclusive club,maintaining the status quo.Google,Starbucks,all doing what the rules allow,keeping their snouts in the trough.It's symptomatic in modern life,and people talk with forked tongues,(except when they are in their cheek),they trot out a palliative to settle the herd,then are off doing what they want to do.It's a time-honoured ritual.You know the USA have made some buccaneering statements recently,about curbing tax avoidance,yet right under the capitals nose,in the state of Delaware they have some of the most attractive and manipulative tax laws you might find.Hypocrisy laid bare.It is rampant everywhere,even inside those unmarbled halls.So we give up on hope?I think not.Take a realist's view,like the one I keep insisting I have?Only if you like,it get's me through the night,(thanks John),but probably not you.I guess you just have to buy another bag of acid drops,Gooner.

  39. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 18, 2013, 13:51 #35869

    Ron, a safe bet,and well put you can just see it and hear it already,so predictable.

  40. BADARSE

    Jun 18, 2013, 13:14 #35868

    Thanks Ron,a difficult one to answer when it's just tossed at you like that.You made a fist of it though.Of course what comes across loud and clear is the many convolutions,contortions and contradictions anyone of us would have, in a final decision.

  41. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jun 18, 2013, 13:07 #35867

    @ Badarse, after 8 years the fruit turns sour. @ Canada, surely though Wenger would be signing that contract long before the prizes are dished out, it wouldn't be left that last minute. My hope is he realises he should see how next season is panning out before signing, then when the usual slump happens he'll realise he can't sign a new one then, then it'll simply run out...

  42. Ron

    Jun 18, 2013, 13:04 #35866

    Macguire - i d lay odds on he ll wait till after the CL qualifier to try anything of note. Hes then got his excuses in first when he misses out ie "we've tried for ??? but it was not possible etc etc etc ". The 'mental strength of the team to get us through a deeffeecult tie, shows for sure our deeessirrrre to be focusssed and to win and Diaby has shown his increibbul strength and errrmmm , his errrrm poweeerrr in the meedddle of the peetch so maybe, we do not need to buy as you say erm...."

  43. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 18, 2013, 12:44 #35865

    CanadaGooner, was wondering where you were, yes nothing has changed still the same old rumors/spin as always, with plenty of talk and no action, and yes if there's to be any action worth talking about it will be at the death, i do believe the more the fans call for something or want something the less chance we have of getting it, and if he has no choice he waits and waits until the last days just to piss us off.

  44. Ron

    Jun 18, 2013, 12:22 #35863

    Its a tough question you ask regarding who would i buy, but i think we dearly need a real left back, so i would try hard for Baines. We really need a right back too, but we wont buy 2 full backs so Jenkinson will have to do for now. Great lasd, smashing tryer, but not near good enough for the long term and 50 odd games per season. A quality Goalkeeper is vital to ANY team. We ve not had real quality since Seaman was in his pomp, so id go for Begovic and pay the price for him, even if inflated. The clown we ve got has a game that doesnt match his mouth and is only 'back up' material sadly. We need a striker, a real one, not a Giroud type.Get a real one and Giroud will be good support in my view. Who? Ive no idea mate, none at all. Sorry,but Benteke comes to mind. Hes a had a season now in the Prem, but Villa would want inflated cash for him. Hes good, though i suspect hes the mind set of an Adebayor with future transfers in his mind more so. We need a strong midfielder to take the weight and 'look after' Jack W. If we dont get one, Hack will be burned out by Wenger just as Cesc was and he ll leave. Rightly so too, as he shdt be asked to carry the Diabys and Ramseys of this World. Maybe Diame of West Ham could fit the bill, but im not totally convinced just yet. My buys would cost a lot but peanuts compared to the Rooney, Higuan risk packages that we are being linked with. PS Laugh if you like as well but for good midfield back up (i said it years ago too) but Kevin Nolan is a good bloke to have in your sqaud. Id still buy him. Theres more to his game than many realise and hes a 150 per center who could tend to Jack s needs in games v the hoof it and hack brigade esp in away games in that PL. Its an average league now and we can afford to have 1 or 2 wholehearted types, who arent fancy dan and arent pretty in the sqaud accordingly. Wdt cost a packet either.

  45. BADARSE

    Jun 18, 2013, 11:26 #35861

    I didn't expect you to let me down,Stroud Green Road Boy,I also half expected you to be spitting out lemon pips in your answer,so on both counts you came through.Dealing with players firstly,I would not argue with,or baulk at those three players/positions being filled.My one forlorn hope,for seasons now,is a hope of finding an Overmaars.I think a wide,attacking,crossing,scoring man would compliment our style of play(?).So we differ slightly on striker type,but in the same ballpark,I guess.I would like a Flamini,as was,in his final days.A Gilberto,an invisible wall.So slightly different,but again in a similar area of thought.New keeper?I would need to toss a coin on number three.We definitely need back up,an older head,that is invaluable to a developing keeper.My only dilemma is cover at centreback.If the Verminator came back strongly,problem solved,otherwise I am in two minds.Either way,again,one or the other,and I would feel contented.I shall respond to the other,tongue-in-cheek answers later.What with your tongue in your cheek,and your bitter lemon responses,you must be a champion gurner!

  46. BADARSE

    Jun 18, 2013, 10:38 #35860

    A response to the urbane Ron.Your last post spoke volumes in my humble opinion Ron.Who would you buy?It is so difficult.As an analogy,as a vegetarian I can look at a well-dressed table.Admire all platters,but then have to discount many as unsuitable.By the time I have decided on a mere handful I am aware I am losing that picture of beauty,which was the enticing spread of all.When I check out the cost,or what I actually fancy at that given moment, I am left with little.Then I take a gamble and hope it's cooked well enough,or hits the spot,tastewise.Welcome to the transfer market.

  47. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jun 18, 2013, 10:34 #35859

    Badarse, 3 places we need strengthening: tactics, attitude and preparation. But you said three men: Wenger, Gazidis and Kroenke. Ok, I know you mean players: need an experienced GK (e.g. Cesar). Need power in midfield (Felliani). Obviously need a striker most of all as there is only one at the club (Higuain). No controversial or original thoughts there. I don't think players is the main problem though and I don't think anything will change next season no matter who we buy if the current modus operandi continues.

  48. Ron

    Jun 18, 2013, 10:16 #35857

    Alsace - My thoughts too mate. An element of 'grab an expensive name when i see one' might yet creep in to the urbane Monsieur Wengers mind set yet and provoke a few panic buys to curry some favour. Then, after all the years of parsimony, we end up with a few expensive highly paid 'name' flops instead of highly paid no mark flops. I know we cant have it all ways ie moan when he spends and then when he dont, but the fact is that if hes going in 12 months, big cash wasted on flops now, who a new coach wdt touch with a barge pole could set any new coach back 3-4 years at Arsenal. I for one arent convinced that Higuain really has what it takes and Rooney (not that hes going to join Arsenal anyway)is a player whos on a downward direction as his mobilty fails while his weight spirals. Felliani is a good lad, but 23 Million quid? Not sure about that really.

  49. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jun 18, 2013, 9:11 #35853

    What would be the point of improving our team. The suggestion that Fabregas wants to go to another english club tells you all you want to know about any ariving players hope of success or development. I hope that none of the money gets spent, but lots of it will, on the equivalent of Glenn Helder and Chris Kiwomya.

  50. 1975

    Jun 17, 2013, 22:15 #35847

    Great news.... Marseille seem to be interested in Gervinho. Their assistant coach Franck Passi, according to London Evening Standard, believes Gervinho will improve their squad. "This is a profile that interests us, yes," Passi told the London Evening Standard. "We want flank players, with dribbling, passing and scoring and Gervinho has this profile." Franck...Franky baby....the Frankster...you are talking my kind of language. Just come on down to the Emirates...this is a deal that can happen. You can have Diaby for free and a £1m endowment to pay his medical bills for the next 4 years. Come on...work with me!

  51. johnnyh

    Jun 17, 2013, 21:37 #35846

    wishful thinking mark from aylesbury. why would wenger leave arsenal when he runs the club from top to bottom. where else would he be accountable to nobody and get paid around 7 million per year? sadly i fear this tactically clueless conman will be at arsenal for the forseable future. just watch the new 3 year contract being signed in october or november.

  52. CanadaGooner

    Jun 17, 2013, 21:00 #35845

    .....ex-Bank of England 'Chairman' not manager...

  53. BADARSE

    Jun 17, 2013, 20:08 #35844

    Well Stroud Green Road Boy,I'm back,and see a bit of dialogue between you and Richard.Well my friend,serious question,as I am really interested,which positions do you consider as priority strengthening?If you were restricted to three men,which positions would you buy for?Then if only two?Then one?

  54. CanadaGooner

    Jun 17, 2013, 19:41 #35843

    Well, back from vacation and it sounds like nothing has really changed in the past few weeks! Arsenal have now stepped out of the shadows to confirm we are indeed just a financial organisation (appointing our ex-Bank of England manager). Some noise of us signing the Real Madrid reject (Higuain), who is a player I actually do admire (but has he still got it? after spending so long on the Madrid bench). As always, Wenger wont sign anyone till the final few days, and then fail to close those deals. His position is again secure, due to the perennially short memory of the majority of arsenal fans, and I can guarantee you that we'll all be back voicing our anguish in a few months time. What a joke! As I've said often enough, our only chance of winning a trophy this season is if wenger wants to renew his contract and pushes hard to win something just to secure that contract

  55. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jun 17, 2013, 18:24 #35841

    Well, Richard, this God who controls my thoughts tells me not to believe in him. I'm afraid it's all to easy to dismantle your POV using logic, but if you're off see you in a few months, perhaps to discuss Wenger's summer acquisitions (as decided by God).

  56. mark from aylesbury

    Jun 17, 2013, 18:01 #35840

    A bit off thread but the Wenger PSG story is doing the rounds again this time for end of 2014 (James Olley Evening Standard). This rumour keeps on coming back. So who is doing the briefing? Just thinking back to when Wenger went mentalist during a press briefing over question about his contract. I reckon change is afoot. All conspiracy theories are welcome!

  57. Richard

    Jun 17, 2013, 17:56 #35839

    @Stroud, I like Carzorla and Wilshire's pretty good too, keeping it Arsenal related. Back to eternal issues everything you ever did and ever will do is controlled entirely by God, whether you go to heaven or hell when you die was decided by God before he created the world,(and their is only two destinations for everybody) otherwise he's not God. Every sinew every atom every leaf that falls from a tree is controlled by God. For the evolution theory to be correct which is a vile racist system, is impossible that's why they keep changing it every few years and brainwashing you through your tv with this billions of years nonsense. You claim that Arsene Wenger and the board have been hoodwinking the fans, well they are only doing what the rest are doing which is what comes natural to the natural unregenerate man. The real deception is how man is deceived by the false prophets who God sends out to fool the nations. I've got to go now and will God willing pop back in a few months.

  58. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Jun 17, 2013, 14:27 #35838

    well the transfers out are brill, and if the list to follow is true, is even better.the second team has also let go a lot of once thought highly likely to play in the first teamers,so we really do have to sign players.i would prefer to sign before selling and lets hope we are not haggling with everton and lessons have been learned

  59. Rocky RIP

    Jun 17, 2013, 13:54 #35836

    Christmas round at Arsene's would be interesting as the presents were being dished out. You'd be quietly hoping for present x, amid rumours that he'd been seen in the relevant shop asking penetrating questions. Sure enough, as the wrapping is torn asunder, you'd be left slightly underwhelmed by a slightly cheaper version of what you hadn't asked for. Clutching the receipt. And wondering what exactly it was he'd given you. How many times do you need to look a new Wenger player up on google/youtube because you know next to nothing about them? Which can work out brilliantly (and quite often not)but sometimes the latest Bergkamp '95 or Sol Campbell 2001 can be just what the doctor ordered to inject some genuine excitement and hope.

  60. Mike

    Jun 17, 2013, 11:10 #35835

    Kind of agree with your blog - at this stage Arsene would require a kitty of K500 million if you were to believe the news stories - what would be an interesting debate is who out of Rooney, Fellani, Higuain, Nani, Cesar,Payet, Jovetic, Wannamayer is worth the money they are being quoted for and who is actually really worth buying - out of that lot my, my answer is none

  61. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jun 17, 2013, 11:05 #35834

    Richard, no one or thing 'controls' me as such. I'm a product of evolution - a contradictory cocktail of instincts, impulses, self-will, a veneer of civilisation and Arsenal fan (keeping it AFC related). Wenger is a false God but I do not believe he is the devil (still keeping it AFC related).

  62. BADARSE

    Jun 17, 2013, 9:25 #35833

    Gary,where has this,'unknown African kids',theme come from?Who are they?

  63. Gary

    Jun 17, 2013, 9:17 #35832

    At the start of every transfer window expect us to sign players we have never heard of.Some unknown African kids and a couple of injury prone players.There thats the window sorted

  64. BADARSE

    Jun 17, 2013, 8:10 #35831

    Stroud Green Road Boy,I was on the 'hurry up',when I posted my gratitude to you,last night.What I didn't say was,your dig about Arsenal's results over recent seasons being predetermined,was quite funny.It did register when I read it,this morning it seemed even ironically,funnier.Good lad.I definitely owe you a beer...hang on,alcohol!??!Reckon if anyone tries to take that out of life's equation people like maguiresbridge gooner will want a say in matters.Here's an unconnected bone that I'll toss,I was at my adult daughter's for Father's Day.I have always rejected this USA,commercialised twaddle.I regard it as Father's Daughter's Day,which allows me to get my head around the whole concept,though I love any excuse for visits,and get-togethers.Anyone want to go off in this meandering direction?haha.There is a tenuous thread of connection with us though.At the time of it's inaugeration in the USA,we were seriously considering our move to Highbury,(and the nazis were growing strong enough to take on Europe in a short while).The most serious of the three was defeated,of the remaining two only AFC,with all it's sham,corporate drivel,branding and profit-obsession,counts as a real entity.Mouth open,both feet at the ready...

  65. johnnyh

    Jun 16, 2013, 22:49 #35830

    for the first summer i can remember i have no interest who wenger signs. he is the main problem with arsenal and until he leaves we have no hope of challenging for anything. no matter who joins us.

  66. Website Admin

    Jun 16, 2013, 22:03 #35829

    Richard - Please keep the posts on topic or at the very least Arsenal related. There are plenty of places on the internet to debate religious views, but the Online Gooner is not one of them. Cheers.

  67. BADARSE

    Jun 16, 2013, 21:47 #35828

    Stroud Green Road Boy,I am indebted to you.Let me explain by using a real life situation.It was to do with football,playing,that is,more years ago,than I care to think of.We'd finished training,team announced,and a policy voted upon hadn't been implimented.I remember the circle of guys.I alone spoke out.My mouth has always been big enough for both my feet,at any one time.There was silence.It was like a gunfight.We both stood poised,me and my adversary,hands at hips,safety catches off,ready to draw,and shoot the other.We stood down,but had an uneasy existence from that day on.A close buddy of mine stayed quiet.Afterwards,I asked why he hadn't spoken up on my behalf,as I knew he,and pretty much all the rest agreed with me,on this point of principle.He said that he knew I could handle myself in any debate,so saw no need.I told him he'd failed me,as a few words,like,'I agree!'would have vindicated my actions,and diffused the personalised situation,which now existed.That's what you did for me fella,in your latest post.Thank you.

  68. Richard

    Jun 16, 2013, 21:46 #35827

    @Stroud. Reference deleting my last post you should see what the religionists do when I debate with them they literally go white put their fingers in their ears and run away. Atheists like Dawkins are a piece of cake to any mature male Christian, it's the same with catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and charismatics. The evangelicals, Calvinists, reformed are tougher as they appear to know the truth but a closer look at their beliefs shows them up as God haters. Also Stroud if God is not controlling all you do, then who is. If you say yourself then you have believed the devil's lie and made yourself a God. I do find most football supporters tend to be atheists (antinomians) or humanists and will normally at least hear what I have to say unlike the religionists who think they know it all.Ps I liked the joke about Wenger and find some of the humour on this site very amusing, something I feel other Arsenal websites lack.

  69. David

    Jun 16, 2013, 20:02 #35826

    What's clear about AW is that he has his way, and it isn't buying big name players. I like to think this is Gazidis' way of giving him an ultimatum. If AW sticks to his guns, (he is a remarkably stubborn and inflexible chap)and buys a bucket load of second rate second division French pap, then, in the words of the Hoosiers, it will be goodbye Mr A.

  70. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jun 16, 2013, 19:23 #35825

    Badarse, well I'm certainly with you 100% in your 'debate' with Richard. Looks like the moderators here have just deleted his latest offering declaring Dawkins is 'wrong' for using actual evidence, which is rather cowardly of them. There again if we are to take Richard at his word, your debate is in fact with God. There again again, God is also controlling everything you say, so the debate is actually between God and God. Though at the same time you're not a member of God's 'elect'. It's all very strange. Despite all this, I do still feel Richard is on to something by saying Arsenal's results are 'predetermined' - at least the seasons are whilst Wenger is in charge.

  71. Block G Gooner

    Jun 16, 2013, 17:59 #35824

    Ray, you sir are an idiot.........

  72. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 16, 2013, 15:08 #35823

    JM - LONDON, spot on even with all this so called new money we'll just do what we always do sit back and let every body else have first pick then when their finished we'll haggle over what's left. I agree Fellaini would be a good buy and if rumors are to believed he'd jump at the chance (but as we know that won't make much difference to the powers that be, only the cost)but even if he were to arrive there's still another factor to take into consideration,where would he end up playing.

  73. BADARSE

    Jun 16, 2013, 14:00 #35822

    Richard,you are nothing,if not persistent.Kind of coincidental that you share the first name of a hero of mine, Richard Dawkins.Now he is someone I listen to,sorry pal.

  74. Richard

    Jun 16, 2013, 13:18 #35821

    @Badarse. You say you won't follow my path which is exactly what I used to say. Man is not made with a freewill to decide what he does in life, every action you do is controlled by God, if it wasn't God wouldn't be God. Despite what the religionists spout that God wants to be everybody's friend and man has the ability to turn to God if he requires that is just nonesense. The true God of the bible is only interested in saving a few ie his people (the elect) who he draws in his own time. The rest being the majority he hardens for destruction. This may seem tough to someone who claims to be an atheist and you will continue to be an atheist unless you are Gods elect in which he will draw you sometime in your life. As far as Arsenal are concerned every single result is already predetermined so as I said in an earlier post getting upset over Arsenal is futile.

  75. BADARSE

    Jun 16, 2013, 13:04 #35820

    John Gooner,thank you for the compliment buddy.May do that one day.Meanwhile can you think of any signings we celebrated at the time,over the years,only for the bottom to fall out of our world,and their's, within a short span of time?

  76. John Gooner

    Jun 16, 2013, 12:26 #35819

    Spot on Andre Santos Chef! Although I disagree that Koscielny will leave this summer, I imagine that he will leave after groundhog day next year. Felliani would be perfect for this team, providing some real muscle and presence in the midfield, but I can't see him coming to Arsenal without some serious reassurances that other signings will follow and that we are actually serious about competing. BADARSE, please write an article! Clearly you have the time and the ability to do so; I think I would enjoy reading it. It seems that you may be one of the few AKB's (sorry for that) that might be able to put up a valid sounding defence of OGL. Food for thought...

  77. GG89

    Jun 16, 2013, 12:22 #35818

    If the point of AW´s transfers policy is to make money or get more for less then we´re way behind Oporto who are masters of that... Any English club pays more than the going rate for transfers between clubs than in other leagues... why else would the players move to the UK... rain, bad food, Xenophobia and Eastenders, yuk!

  78. Andre Santos Chef

    Jun 16, 2013, 12:16 #35817

    @noodles One player i left out of my list of summer signings was Joel Campbell yes the mighty Joel Campbell who has played less games for us than Park.And the player Dick Law was trying to sign while letting Juan Mata slip through our hands.Good work Dick

  79. Andre Santos Chef

    Jun 16, 2013, 11:58 #35816

    This is the club which has signed Silvestre Chamakh Squillaci Santos Park and Gervinho in recent summers and we are supposed to believe Wenger will change his ways and spend big money on world class players.ST renewal is over time to get back in the real world.This has been proved by Felliani a player who we could get for £23m tomorrow but now we are baulking at the price.I still believe Sagna Koscielny and Podolski will leave this summer

  80. BADARSE

    Jun 16, 2013, 11:14 #35815

    Stroud Green Road Boy,thanks for the response.My answer was directed as a courtesy to you,for anyone to read or comment upon of course,but to convey in some clumsy way that I am not a neanderthal,just repeating a mantra.Let's see what the season brings,we shall have to anyway,as no other option,at the moment,is on the table.Things constantly evolve,moving and changing,though we often see life and things as stationery.We are in the mix already for this season.Screaming protests in a vacuum will not be heard,therefore not acknowledged.It's good to be able to disagree,whilst recognising the core values we both share,Gooner.

  81. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jun 16, 2013, 11:05 #35814

    @Badarse, good long response there. I understand people have an attachment to Wenger due to his successes of the first half of his reign. Not sure how many years in a row now people have been saying 'this year is a decisive one' at AFC, 'give him this year'. Suspect we'll be hearing the same this time next year. Personally I don't think Wenger - in his mid-60s and a decade after his heyday - could or would even want to change his modus operandi to do what's needed in a game that's changed in that last decade, no matter how much money was thrown at him.

  82. BADARSE

    Jun 16, 2013, 10:42 #35813

    Thank you for your candid response Richard.I am glad you have found your path,I shan't travel it,but wish you a pleasant journey.May your god go with you.

  83. Richard

    Jun 16, 2013, 10:19 #35812

    The reason I stopped attending Arsenal games is that I started to look at Arsenal as an idol I didn't need anymore controlling my life. I've always believed in God so felt that the football, music and women which all played a huge part in my life had to go and I've been far better of since. When I say I believe in God it doesn't mean I attend those ridiculous places of worship on Sunday's that the religionists like to attend. To me they are all synagogues of Satan and even though I will only fellowship with true believers I far prefer the worldling and atheist to the ridiculous religionist.

  84. BADARSE

    Jun 16, 2013, 8:17 #35811

    Morning Stroud Green Road Boy,wow,you stay up late posting!OK,in most things in life I try to take a balanced view.I try to read any natural information I can, to arrive at a sensible judgement that I make.I don't mean whispers on grapevines,though I take note and store these scraps of information as they may be relevant at a later date.I have said on here before I never read newspapers,beyond the Guardian and Independent, I see others as right-wing 'rags' anyway,so not to be trusted to tell the truth.We as a society are quite media-led,so any sportswriter with an axe to grind can,and do,warp their articles to tear down anything Arsenal,and the readers often just follow.No,my approach is often based on nebulous aspects;human nature,vibes,throwaway comments by players or other respected individuals,people I personally, hold in high regard.I am a keen follower of politics,interested in world affairs,and an avid and extensive reader.I am an atheist and I a clear-thinker,this isn't to say my assessment is correct,just that I automatically discard trite and meaningless dross and heresay.I try very hard to stay focused when deciding on issues,and always find myself reassessing aspects,as I always listen to others,even the young or very young.To the crux.A man at the helm needs the support of his superiors,whoever they are,or whatever their objectives.Arsene Wenger undoubtedly has that.He needs the loyalty of his players,he also has that.The players who rise to the top of the group,like cream,do pull away.Another trait of human nature.He needs the core support of the fans,and despite the vitriol in these posts unequivocally has that.The owners,the shareholders,want stability,profits,and an enhancement of their asset,AFC.They get that,with brassknobs on!Yes his influence,or ability, has shown a visible decline.The whole thing that is Premier League football, has changed significantly.Others have learned and caught up.Think,he took a wayward,ghetto kid,Nicholas Anelka,made him a star,and gave the club a huge profit.That profit bought our state of the art training facilities,where it is known as the Anelka ground,as a compliment to the manager.That one aspect alone would cover three years of his contract.Employers like that!He also gave me a period in my life that I never thought I would ever see.My team playing football from another planet.He has flirted on occasions with a similar style,without complete success,it's true,but we can all see how close we have been at times,hence our frustration that he cannot,or will not, push us over the line.I know he has flaws.His stubbornness is legendary.Guess what,people do have failings,all of us.Being a football manager doesn't exclude you from that group.I think the interpretation he has of the board's desires and objectives,allied with his personality's characteristics has brought us to this tipping point.I believe that he may step up to the plate this close season,then again he may not.My reassessing will continue under such terms.We as a club may be on the threshold of a dream,we may slither into the slime and ooze of mediocrity.This season may be a decisive one.These are my reasons.Long-winded,but sincere,and for better,or worse,they are thought out,and evaluated.Not a blind allegiance.Those who share my view will relish what I have written,no doubt.Those opposed,who do not share my view will fall into two main schisms,those who begrudgingly accept that I at least have Arsenal's interests at heart,though am misguided,and those who would just like to reduce me to an acronym.

  85. Ron

    Jun 16, 2013, 1:21 #35810

    All this jokey talk of Almunia prompts images in my mind of not only 2 afro french nobodies plus Diaby being the new signings, but a last minute swoop by Barca for Koscielny as they seek bench back up at CB and Gallas coming back at Wengers 2nd Sol type return fix. Not realistic or likely many may squeal, but id say its more realistic than Rooney, Fellaini Higuain and Co being seriously on Wengers radar.

  86. noodles

    Jun 15, 2013, 23:24 #35809

    This is the same management team that ...didnt sign Alonso. Couldnt sign Mark Schwarzer the ageing Fulham keeper for £2 million because Wenger dillied about and then compleatly cocked up the Mata signing! Do you honestly think that Wenger would have signed David Platt and DB? It was David Dein that got Sol Campbell and that's where the main problem lies when we now have Dallas based "Dick" - I've sign 100s of players - Law poncing about on our behalf reporting in to Wenger who wont pay Fellainis release clause as he things it's too much but will happily draw £7,000,000 a year for himself .... You couldn't make it up sadly.

  87. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jun 15, 2013, 23:24 #35808

    Badarse, I enjoy your posts, but still not clear on what your argument for the retention of Wenger is, beyond someone else may do no better? Genuine question, that's all I've seen so far, may have missed a post. Many seem to argue 'we don't know...' this and that as if the default deduction from that is stay with the incumbent.

  88. JM - LONDON

    Jun 15, 2013, 21:21 #35807

    Didn't even read the article (sorry Simon) because I think I know exactly what it says!. I've been saying as much for some months now, especially annoying when it's being generally put around by IG that we have loads of money to spend!. We won't sign anyone of note, no Rooney, Ronaldo or Fabregas. When chelski and citeh have signed who they want then we will compete for the rest. Lets see how much is acually spent over and above what is made in player sales??. Fellaini looks a good buy though, but I reckon that if we do get him then thats the biggest name coming our way this summer.

  89. John Gooner

    Jun 15, 2013, 21:13 #35806

    So Simon is telling us to be good little supporters and lower our expectations and Richard doesn't give a toss and can't understand why we do? The close-season really does some funny things to people! I read every Arsenal-related article and every Arsenal-related blog going, I endure every painful minute of football we play and defend our interests home and away because I AM OBSESSED. I know it's not healthy and I know my obsession may well be symptomatic of some major personality disorder, but I cannot simply abandon my support and no longer care what this club does. It is for this reason that I want Wenger to leave now or leave at the end of next season (if he fails to come good on his promises of the last 8 years). For AW to stay beyond next year, we must compete as a minimum. I don't care whether we finish next season trophyless in 5th place as long as we compete on all fronts and the club do everything possible to improve the team. What is not acceptable is finishing next season 4th, 20 points off 1st with £70m in the trading account, talking about how we played a 'little bit with the handbrake on' and how we couldn't compete with the riches of Swansea and Wigan. No excuses next season! Sadly, while some fans view 4th place as an achievement and call Wenger an over-achiever, we will never move forward and my support will continue to give me grey hairs and frustration.

  90. jjetplane

    Jun 15, 2013, 20:25 #35805

    I think the real spin will come when they repackage Wenger himself and sell him once again to his most appreciating audience who probably use their loose change to buy a season on lunches and business deals while some poor souls will actually turn hoping for er football! Oh ye of ever decrasing options. Now where was I - Blue Sq with a bit of Ryman on the side - ahh Football. Almost like being on the north bank at 1 o'clock. Remember that!

  91. BADARSE

    Jun 15, 2013, 20:10 #35804

    Richard,I can understand your position.Synapses and neurons are transmitting different interpretations of messages,to each of us.They say no two people are the same,what they mean is,no two brains are the same.What puzzles me is your inability to understand that others are wired differently.I cannot see sense in many things people say,or do,but I do respect their privilege in having the liberty to hold,or express them.'Some fans can enjoy it for what it is'Then what is it?Do you arrive at a conclusion by plain reduction?It's just a game of football!In fact it's just twenty two people kicking a pig's bladder around!In fact the players just run around,rarely kicking it!How far do you go with this?Sorry to hit hard,it's not malicious pal.I just see such craziness on odd occasions in these posts.Not people taking it too seriously,that's being passionate.I mean not understanding,or considering that others may hold a different view of things.So many post that they want Arsene Wenger to go,I don't want him to go.Simple opposing views,generally both sides back them up with sensible arguements.Fine.It's the I don't,or won't understand that is soul-destroying to me.Rant over.No hard feelings ex-Gooner?

  92. nas

    Jun 15, 2013, 18:54 #35803

    @richard: what's d point following a club if u aren't putting your all into it? It may be unhealthy, but its the only way its worth it. If I don't take it seriously then I may as well stop watching and go for picnics on the weekends

  93. 600NER PETE

    Jun 15, 2013, 17:09 #35801

    Richard, sounds like you are now a "nominal" supporter and yes, unfortunately it is unhealthy trying to get any enjoyment from following The Arsenal lately. It's made me feel decidedly ill for the last 6 or 7 years!

  94. 1975

    Jun 15, 2013, 17:00 #35800

    I felt a sudden quickening of the pulse when badarse mentioned alminia and a twitch of my left eye. Some of you may remember how this used to happen to chief inspector dreyfuss when he mentioned clouseu. Badarse....its a good thing you also didn't extend your joke by adding the names eboue and Silvestre. It would have been nervous breakdown time.

  95. Richard

    Jun 15, 2013, 16:35 #35799

    Actually I haven't been to a competitive live Arsenal game since Paris 1995 went every week home and away from 1980-1995 then stopped completely. I never moaned when I was attending games just enjoyed the experience. Moved from London to Suffolk in 1995 to live in the country and just never went to watch Arsenal again except the odd friendly with Norwich. Some fans can enjoy it for what it is while others take it all far too serious and let it take over their whole life, which in my opinion is not healthy.

  96. Gaz

    Jun 15, 2013, 15:44 #35798

    @Moscow Gooner: Absolutely spot on mate.

  97. Moscow Gooner

    Jun 15, 2013, 14:33 #35796

    Richard - 'nominal'? That's funny! I don't call following Arsenal home and away since 1968 'nominal'. I don't call coming away from most games without a voice, 'nominal'. I don't call boycotting games until we get our football club back, 'nominal'. I think those who sit on their hands and hope for the best, whistling in the wind, may be the true 'nominals' here: they seem to have elevated their support for AW above their love for the Club.

  98. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 15, 2013, 13:39 #35795

    Richard, so what your saying is, if you give up your season ticket (for whatever reason)your not allowed to still have an interest in the club/transfer market ? and your only allowed to moan about spending/lack off, if you go out and spend yourself ? TKOS and OGL must really love fans like you.

  99. Stevieo

    Jun 15, 2013, 12:56 #35793

    Great advice offered there Simon. I think this advice of not expecting anything can also be extended to the pitch when the season kicks off. I think most fans are at this stage anyway. Obviously there are those who raise the bar and hope we finish above Spurs, which is always worth a street party or two.

  100. BADARSE

    Jun 15, 2013, 12:56 #35792

    Yes Gaz,it is tempting fate,you are right enough!The Real World,a hole in one!

  101. Bard

    Jun 15, 2013, 12:55 #35791

    Ray was that a joke? If it isnt how about goalkeeper, right back, defensive midfielder, decent striker for starters.

  102. The Real World

    Jun 15, 2013, 12:14 #35790

    The only time you take a transfer report seriously in the news is when its accompanied by a picture of the player standing next to the manager with his Arsenal shirt and squad number.

  103. Gaz

    Jun 15, 2013, 11:59 #35789

    @BADARSE: Wouldn't joke about Almunia coming back if I was you. I mean Wenger made him our no 1 for three years AND made him captain so anythings possible...

  104. BADARSE

    Jun 15, 2013, 11:24 #35787

    Haha.1975 your anguish is tangible,hang in there dude,I foresee a bumpy ride ahead for us all,haha.Just heard we are thinking of resigning Manuel Almunia...only kidding!Stick with it pal!

  105. Richard

    Jun 15, 2013, 9:22 #35785

    I thought most of the nominal Arsenal fans had given up their season tickets because of lack of trophies. So why the great interest in what Arsenal are up to in the transfer window. Why moan about Arsenal not spending when your not willing to spend yourself. Sounds rather hypocritical to me.

  106. 1975

    Jun 15, 2013, 9:21 #35784

    Terrible news this morning. Borussia monchengladback are not interested in bendtner. Come on eintracht Frankfurt. Take a punt on niklaas. It's a great deal. Other demoralizing news. Santos is coming back from gremio. This is killing me.

  107. patrick luke

    Jun 15, 2013, 8:44 #35782

    There is an array of people who's job is to plan pitch and negotiate transfers at the club. Each and everyone of us has challenges in our work. Toif arsenal once again fail to invest using the money I and other supporters invest in the club each week, they will be incompetent. Again. Ofof course deals are complicated. But we have not signed a number of players recently because of poor negotiations and a lack of being prepared to pay market rates. We only Ned one or two players. In each position.

  108. Gaz

    Jun 15, 2013, 5:49 #35780

    Sadly all this talk of big name players signing on is simply a load of old bollox designed to push interest up in ST's. Wenger has generally NEVER bought really big anyway and when he has they've usually not quite worked out (Reyes and Arshavin). As was discussed on another article he's being pushed into a corner which means he'll be even more determined to prove everyone wrong. So forget Fellani, Rooney and Higuain and expect more players we've never heard of in the 9/10m price range. And the saddest thing of all is there's an army of fans out there willing to back him all the way...

  109. Steve H

    Jun 15, 2013, 0:22 #35779

    Well said Tony re the lack of super top top quality signings - apparently Wenger is stalling over the transfer fee for Fellaini - he is haggling over 2 million difference in the transfer negotiations - its like Alonso all over again, and probably means that we will miss out and end up with some French div 2 player who breaks down after 45 mins of his first match. Whats the point of getting excited about the rumours as Simon says - its all spin from the board and the manager - pathetic frankly

  110. Ray

    Jun 14, 2013, 21:03 #35776

    We don't need any signings our squad is strong enough as it is. Tell me where could we strengthen.

  111. nas

    Jun 14, 2013, 21:00 #35775

    Yet man city have signed a couple of brilliant players, barca have got neymar, but with arsenal its "players r on vacation" and "players can't relocate their families" that doesn't fly anymore. We'll probably c a couple of mediocre signings by the end of August and that'll be that. Wenger will proclaim a returning Diaby as a '? signings' as usual and the supporters can shout their heads off for all he cares

  112. Ron

    Jun 14, 2013, 20:09 #35773

    1975 - Thats brilliant. love it mste! so true.

  113. Alan Aylesbury Gooner

    Jun 14, 2013, 18:06 #35769

    Unfortunately I have to agree with everything 1975 found it a very amusing piece. Only thing that took the shine of all this activity was the news that Wenger might be around for another 4 years, fingers crossed that it's paper talk. Just a shame we can get rid of more of the deadwood out the door, probably have to wait a while for that to happen though.

  114. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jun 14, 2013, 16:59 #35766

    Simon, there's no need to tell us, we never do, we never have,and are not going to start riding any transfer roller coaster now, we've heard it all before, (there's enough fans already doing it),we don't expect anything from this manager only more of the same as the last eight seasons, and that's what's demoralising. I doubt transfers are as complicated as you make out they only become complicated when you have a manager who won't pay the going rate for the proper player/players and wants everything on the cheap (but has no problem paying over the odds for rubbish)and when a player or players are signed regardless of their class the fact their pampered to the last,with everything they would ever want for themselves and their families as well as the incentive of the 70,80,90,k a week they'd be earning would certainly smooth over any complications that were left.If us mere mortals were to be offered and received the same incentives and perks for changing employer it wouldn't be very hard at all to relocate.But at the end of the day it depends if their wanted or not, and if the manager is prepared to pay their worth instead of haggling that's the stumbling block.

  115. Ron

    Jun 14, 2013, 16:17 #35764

    Fair points, but in Arsenals case the only way to deal with it is to expect nothing. To do otherwise, is to waste your time and energy. There will be the odd skinny afro/french kid and Diaby to be a new signing of course, but nothing of significance is going to happen. Concentrate on the cricket Simon!

  116. Bard

    Jun 14, 2013, 15:46 #35763

    Not quite sure what the point is of this post Simon. We all want the club to buy some top players but we also know they won't. They might buy another Gervinho or, god help us, another Santos but top players you must be kidding. We aren't a top club anymore so the idea that the transfer window is stressful for us is fanciful at best.I couldn't give a flying ****. Sorry Simon but I don't know where you've been this last 8 years if you are still clinging onto the idea that we are big hitters in the transfer market.

  117. CT Gooner

    Jun 14, 2013, 15:44 #35762

    Careful Stroud Green Boy,the Arsene FC fans will be slagging you soon for not believing the Clubs intentions. Remember we haven't regressed these last 8 years!!! I am happy to see some dead weight moved on, but when I see others around us getting stronger (a la' Chelsea and Liverpool), our need to improve the squad is only compounded.

  118. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Jun 14, 2013, 15:42 #35760

    Remember how we felt when Charlie Nicholas signed in 83? Or Dennis Bergkamp in 95? Or Sol Campbell in 2001? Signing players like that gives us such a lift and has everyone excited as the new season approaches. Sadly those days will never happen again until Lord Wenger departs as he is so obsessed with proving that he is right. Surely all fans can see that recent talk from Wenger and Gazidis is spin, designed purely to sell season tickets - as they do in every transfer window. If Arsenal sign Rooney and Fellaini I'll bare my arse in Harrods window . . . . . . . .

  119. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jun 14, 2013, 15:26 #35759

    I agree, no point in having expectations. Yes transfers are difficult but they seem especially so for Arsenal. Other clubs do manage it in a fairly timely manner, as we're already seeing this summer. But then other clubs don't seem to use the transfer window in quite the same way that AFC have the last few seasons - as a lure to renew with promises of strengthening, then actually weakening the squad.

  120. Paul Adams

    Jun 14, 2013, 15:17 #35758

    I don't care how you dress it up Mr Rose I want us to spend the £71 million on improving our team but failing that have £50 million or so put back in the Club to reduce Season ticket & admission prices, & how about some sensible food prices at least we would have better value for our reducing quality on the pitch. PS I'm only a Red Member, cannot afford anything else!

  121. 1975

    Jun 14, 2013, 15:07 #35757

    Keep up the writing Simon. To be honest I have been getting more excited about who is leaving the club. I keep an eye on the web with eager anticipation of more clearing out. I was kind of jumping for joy when I heard about the end of the road for Denilson, Squilaci and Arshavin. I saw an article on BBC football that talked about 14 Arsenal players leaving the club. I was gutted when the list included these three, a bunch of reserves BUT no Diaby, Djourou, Park, Chamakh or Gervinho. I felt much better a few days later when I read in the papers that Bendtner had the option of signing for 5 clubs and he just needs to decide. I keep a daily watch to see if he has decided. Its so nerve shredding! Hurry up Nick! I really cant take much more. So in line with your expect nothing approach, I have disconnected completely and have no expectations from the 'who will we sign' drama. For me the excitement and anticipation is around who we will finally be rid of. Thats why I was so excited when one of your previous articles talked about Gervinho going to Turkey. What Gazidiz should have done to really push up season ticket renewals was got rid of Gervinho, Park, Chamakh, Diaby, Djourou, Bendtner, Santos by the renewal deadline day. Cue euphoria and the buzzing of phone lines with credit card numbers! Order more prawns....the club level is filling up again. I guess this is what I am reduced to now as a gooner. Where did you say Gervinho could be going????

  122. BADARSE

    Jun 14, 2013, 14:48 #35756

    Thanks Simon,enjoyed that.Many years ago,an old stager that I used to travel to Highbury with told me,'Don't take any notice of the newspaper rumours,when they mention Arsenal,it sells papers,nothing more.'Well the world has cranked on quite a bit since those old flatcap days,and we have many contenders for which club names would sell most papers, with a transfer story.The point is still valid though.Their job is to fan the flames,or even light the tinder themselves,just to sell their stories,true or not.Many years ago I stopped buying newspapers.Not because I couldn't believe the transfer sagas played out throughout the close season,though that would be reason enough,but I just couldn't be bothered to read prejudiced and poorly written pieces.Now we have talk radio,internet,and a multitude of people 'in the know',willing to bend our ears.I have nothing to do with it,any of it.I pick up our interest in a player by well intentioned friends texts,or remarks.I am sanguine in my consideration,but with a large teaspoonful of disbelief.As the story perhaps picks up speed I switch onto it,otherwise I keep it at arm's length.I preserve my ever-decreasing sanity.I have friends who are always acting as if they were on the edge of extinction.Frantic.Lifted.Dashed hopes.It can be painful to witness,and trying to guide away from the rocky shores of promised transfers is a hopeless task.My friends need it like a drug.During close season,especially of the last few years or more, the volume on players moves has been deafening.In my circle,I alone remain aloof and sane.Now I am going to crawl back into the cupboard under the stairs,and try to make my ears pop.

  123. Mat Black

    Jun 14, 2013, 14:47 #35755

    So in other words, be a true Arsenal fan and have criminally low expectations. Sad indictment of the way our club is going, as it is clearly dragging the standards of the clubs fans down with it

  124. Tony Evans

    Jun 14, 2013, 14:38 #35754

    Wenger will not sign any player of note and if there is still anyone stupid enough to think otherwise then Gazedis and co will be very happy and will say job done for another transfer window.

  125. Gervinho

    Sep 25, 2012, 19:11 #26566

    Why the picture of the Mekon? I'm RICK JAMES, BITCH!

  126. West Upper

    Sep 25, 2012, 12:58 #26553

    "another one of Wenger's endless follies. Do I really need to name them". Yeah you do as it goes Goonergoal. Expecting a manager whose been in charge over 16 years not to have made a clanger or two in the transfer market is totally unrealistic - get some perspective

  127. Ben

    Sep 25, 2012, 10:18 #26537

    Zonal marketing - is not the problem. Man City used this system most of last year and in the match against us and didn't seem to have a problem. As someone earlier said, if your keeper comes and doesn't get the cross it will cause a problem. As for Gervinho, he has played 2 games in that position and already we are deciding he is not the right person for the job. Need I remind people Henry and Bergkamp took more than 2 games. I am not suggesting he is as good or that he is the answer, but be patient. Arsene might struggle with defending but he seems to get the attacking bit right more often than not. We should be encouraged that City who have spent upwards of £500m to compete and we still were the better side.

  128. Gooner89

    Sep 24, 2012, 22:54 #26536

    As an AMG even I am surprised at some of the negative comments after yesterday. Mannone made a mistake but he wasn't solely culpable for the goal. Also give him credit cause he made three top draw saves. Maybe we do need a top goalkeeper but for a goalie to come in with virtually no top flight experience and concede only a couple of goals is pretty good by my book. I do agree that Gervinho needs to do better but lets take yesterdays result for what it was. A great result

  129. Bard

    Sep 24, 2012, 20:01 #26535

    Grounds for optimsim a good result but should have won it. The teams still a work in progress but none of the others look much cop. Man U were piss poor and only got a result once Liverpool lost a player. What's interesting is that on the one hand we're berated for not having won a trophy for 7 years but now we've flogged many of those losers, we're still berated for selling our so called best players. If they were so good how come they didn't win anything. The spine of the side has been weak for years ( think Birmingham ) but despite weaknesses this side looks really solid and if Wenger can solve the goalscoring problem we might very well be in with a shout.

  130. CanadaGooner

    Sep 24, 2012, 17:41 #26534

    Kev, I really liked your caption and the analogy: AWESOME. However, I can guarantee you that if Gervinho had scored, the match would still have ended a draw or Man City winning. Until we have a realibale goalkeeper anything can happen. But what has really improved this season is that guys like Podolski having done so much with the German National team, they have a winning mentality and they want to be successful at Arsenal as he wasnt really going to be winning loads at Cologne was he? I said last week that if we get a draw away to City, I will join those optimistic folks who think this season could yield a trophy of some sort for us. I do believe we can definitely get something this season due to healthy competition for key positions and the desire and hunger of some of the new players we brought in, who unlike the walcotts and diaby's of this world, are not content with top finishes! COME ON ARSENAL!!!!

  131. RichardS

    Sep 24, 2012, 14:51 #26533

    Considerable criticism of Gervinho, which I believe is unfair. I am not going to defend his finishing which was poor yesterday, but his movement was exceptional at times. He must be a nightmare for defenders, not knowing which way he will turn. (mind you, i'm not sure he knows where he is going sometimes!) He also has pace, forcing defenders to drop off him, load up 2 or 3 to try and take him out, thereby creating space for others to exploit. I think it was for these attributes that Wenger preferred him to Giroud. Will he be able to develop the killer instinct of an Henry.....who knows? But he should be given more time. Arteta....class act again. A real leader. Jenkinson put in a tremendous shift and it was good to see Ramsey regaining some form. I think it is unlikely that this side will win the league, but I am much happier watching this side than some of the dismal fare that we have been served up in previous seasons. I see real commitment and spirit in this side. I do wonder how much the loss of Song and even Van Persie has contributed to a better team spirit. Looking forward to going to the Coventry game and seeing some promising youngsters show their worth.

  132. Paul

    Sep 24, 2012, 14:41 #26532

    @RJ Home to Southampton away to City Giroud was on the bench what more evidence do you need?

  133. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 24, 2012, 14:40 #26531

    It's been a while since we can come away encouraged about a draw it was a good result alright and i agree with wenger when he said we're pleased about the draw but disappointed we didn't win.And the culprit was the forehead himself the back pass to hart was inexcusable as was his miss late on he's got the first touch of a four old big improvement needed.We certainly matched the superstar mercenaries if not bettered them our defence was once again solid with mertesacker having a great game with numerous interceptions apart for the goal where they stood still and let lescott have a clear header whats with this zonal marking surely it can't be bouldeys idea.Your right ED the forehead wasn't the only culprit yes flappy mk 2 played a big part punching one fisted at air and has cost us (whats new) and will continue to do so as will the whole keeper situation until properly addressed when ever that will be.That was the best haystack i've ever seen for our goal celebration although there is still a lot of work to be done and more tests to come the result will do confidence no harm at all going into the game with the chavs.

  134. Ron

    Sep 24, 2012, 14:29 #26530

    Kendall - Ive never advocated 'spend spend spend', but the Club have been able and should spend big on a strker. They can afford one big buy and striker is as good as anywhere to do it. If not there are and have been others whove been ignored or have been alllowed to slip the net while Wenger has stuck by his rubbish 'prospects' instead for so long. Now hes got the makings of a team, the ignorance of the need for a decent keeper for 10 years and the failure to keep or acquire adequate strikers is coming back to haunt him. A guy like Defoe would have downed Man City on Saturday for sure, as would Bent and one or two others. Just 2 egs of players who can score often enough, so spend spend spend isnt the only option. Even Michael Owen would have easily bagged those chances Gervinho spurned.PS I can see Wenger throwing a strikers chance to Walcott once Wilshires back and Gervinho will be out. Ill leave it to you to ponder that less than attractive prospect!

  135. Rocky RIP

    Sep 24, 2012, 14:03 #26529

    A very pleasing display. I find it a little odd you pick out Arteta for misplaced passes. He made 106 passes, 100 of which were completed successfully. That's fantastic! He's a huge player for us this season and his reading of the game is very good. A very good footballing brain. As for Cazorla... well, this guy could be immense for us. Whilst it's right to point out any negatives - Gervinho and an utterly pointless corner to concede in the first place - there does always seem to be a disproportionate emphasis on the negatives over the positives. The positives by far outweighed the negatives, yet let's all mock the be-foreheaded one!

  136. Rob

    Sep 24, 2012, 13:39 #26527

    Was most impressed. Thought we bossed the first half, let a sloppy goal in and could have folded but stuck with it and as you say, could have won in the end. They only dropped two points at Eastlands all last season. That's how good a result it was. Have to beat Chelsea next weekend though. If we do that then I really will start to believe again.

  137. Neil C

    Sep 24, 2012, 13:36 #26526

    Mekon head, mop head. I'm as frustrated with Gervinho as anyone but lets leave out this type of abuse and concentrate on what he does or doesn't do as a footballer on the pitch.

  138. Kendall

    Sep 24, 2012, 13:24 #26525

    @ Ron et al Its all well and good bemoaning he lack of a "top top striker"... but how many goals did Man City's mega expensive front line score yesterday? Or in our last encounter? What about Agueros miss? Is he a proper striker?? I was screaming at the last miss as well, and I think the subs were poor as well and too late... but lets keep some perspective. Spend spend spend its moronic

  139. Gee

    Sep 24, 2012, 13:20 #26524

    Take a point up there without doubt. To lose would have been a bit of a confidence whack. However, if we had a top class striker we'd have beaten city no problem with the chances Gervinho squandered. Clearly Giroud is not fancied in front of Gervinho , that in itself tells you all you need to know about how good the frenchman is. I do not see us winning the league and again it will be frustrating with the funds we still have available. However we have some battling qualities and on our day could beat anyone. Maybe this is the year we can win one of the domestic cups. I'd be happy with that

  140. David the Price is right

    Sep 24, 2012, 13:15 #26523

    Yes, early days/doors, but a rather dark horse has appeared in the paddock this season. If we can keep relatively injury free we can unseat some riders!

  141. GoonerGoal!

    Sep 24, 2012, 12:56 #26522

    What exactly is the point of Gervinho? He's just another of Wenger's endless list of follies! Do I really need to name them?

  142. Theo's Bikini-Line

    Sep 24, 2012, 12:53 #26521

    Agree with Anon. In the four previous games and right up until the concession of the goal, the defensive play was solid enough. However it seems that 'Zonal Marking' is the new innovation that the old pro's in the media don't like and thus any set piece goal conceded is automatically attributed to the system's flaws. As I saw it the goal was down to three factors: a) a poor clearance from the previous possession which allowed clichy to put a cross in; b) carelessly giving a corner away; and c) Mannone not claiming the corner from within his 6 yard box. All of these things happened BEFORE the goal and were NOT down to zonal marking and it's so called deficiencies!!

  143. RJ

    Sep 24, 2012, 12:32 #26520

    Good game, would have taken the draw before the game, but left slightly disappointed. Some of the diehard pessimists on here crack me up - Gervinho - give him a chance in the new position and set up please - he is showing signs of development, long may it continue - @Paul "Wenger has lost confidence in Giroud already" - hilarious - on what basis you crazy comedian. @Silver Gooner "I couldn't help thinking is RVP was in the team...." He isn't, and he never will be again - that boat has floated, no point worrying about @Ron "We haven't got a 25 goal striker" - Podolski should fit that bill, and maybe Giroud if we give him a chance - there are not many of them out there, I think one of those guys MIGHT do it. Overall - we are five games in - let's not get carried away in any direction - but I would rather the start to this season than last season. Another stern test coming up this weekend - COYG!

  144. Tony Evans

    Sep 24, 2012, 12:28 #26519

    Very good performance and my only gripes now are the lack of real finisher and more importantly an experienced keeper. The fact that we have conceded only two league goals so far is great and Wenger's defensive blind spot hopefully is no more thanks to the better late than never contribution of Bouldy. Of course both goals have been down to keeper errors and that is the Wenger blind spot which is going to really cost us.

  145. JER

    Sep 24, 2012, 12:26 #26518

    Just a word about Arteta, he has been immense this season in his new role, he can play this way for years yet. I liked the way, as captain, he got the team around him in the warm up and made some points. A proper captain. We have some real leaders in this team now. Early days I know but promising signs within the club.

  146. Ron

    Sep 24, 2012, 12:23 #26517

    mike - No, not 'running out of things to criticse' at all. Just being realistic as i always try to be. The difference perhaps between you and me is that i dont see criticism as being a bad thing, especially as we have a coach who hasnt accepted any criticism (fair or not)for years. It wouldnt do for all the supporters to be as myopic as hes been and still is (in my view) - his latest is the week end comment that 'this squad is the best hes had'. One wonders what hes on frankly!. Ive no problem with you gleefully accepting everything he and the Club dish out to you though on and off the pitch. Its your privelige to do so as its mine not too. PS We played quite well at City, however its my view that we werent as dominant as some have made out and the finishing was appalling as befits a team with no true quality striker in its ranks. The Club has needed 5 chances to score once for years and so it continues. In big games v the top Clubs it basically doesnt and never will suffice.

  147. Stevesam

    Sep 24, 2012, 12:07 #26516

    Great performance and should have been 3 points. BFG was outstanding with Ramsey a close 2nd. Although I believe it was a good all round team effort, Diaby seemed to be out of his depth in the centre of midfield against top opposition, he was caught in position too often. Santi, Arteta and Ramsey have the ability to move the ball quickly, Diaby cannot make positive decisions. Most of the support around me in the away end was calling for AW to bring on the OX, but we got Wally who looked dis-interested. Gibbs got into some great forward positions in the first half but then wasted them with poor crossing. Jenks is getting better with every game and one tackle on Sinclair in the first half reminded me of a young Pat Rice - fair and hard. The squad looks stronger than last season, although with Wally, Diaby and Gibbs on the field at the same time, it looks like an accident waiting to happen ! Giroud put himself about again and put Lescott and Kompany under pressure, they did not look as comfortable. Let's hope we carry on with the WIP against Chavski.

  148. Andy M

    Sep 24, 2012, 11:38 #26515

    Shame that the old Gervinho turned up and banished the imposter we'd got used to seeing this season. Otherwise, great team performance. I would have preferred it if Poldi had been a bit more combatative - not his best game, but we outplayed the 'Champions' in the first half and came close to nicking it. Very encouraging and we're still unbeaten.

  149. Rickthegooner

    Sep 24, 2012, 11:34 #26514

    Gervinho was terribly wasteful, I agree, but so was Podolski. I see an improvement in Gervinho already this season. He puts in a shift, running to close people down. He is a tricky player, he just lacks a bit of composure at critical times. I say stick with him for a while. As you said he does get into those situations !!! If Theo wasn't being a greedy p***k he might get a run at a more central attacking role. It's a position that many see him ending up in. Sign the deal offered Theo !!!!

  150. mike

    Sep 24, 2012, 11:24 #26513

    @Ron - see you are running out of things to criticise great draw - were the better team for most of the match

  151. Paul

    Sep 24, 2012, 10:51 #26512

    It is clear already Wenger has lost faith in Giroud.Two league games in a row he was benched.Gary Neville hit the nail on the head about Gervinho when he said he is 25 he should be a better player than he is he.The miss in the first half was criminal .As for Walnutt once again he comes on and was absolute tosh.Did you see that cross he put in? Jenkinson can cross a ball better than him.He will be no miss when he goes.I thought Ramsey had his best game for a long time

  152. billthered

    Sep 24, 2012, 10:38 #26510

    I thought it was a good performance and before the game I actually thought we would win but there again I always do and I'm not that crackers.The substitutions I could not get my head round cause I thought Podolski should have been put in a more forward role and lamphead should have been pulled,also the Ox instead of I want 100 grand Walcott,but I suppose a point is more than welcome and quite a few questions answered and now we welcome the chavs and lets send them packing come you reds.

  153. Anon

    Sep 24, 2012, 10:36 #26509

    I'm no defensive coach but the zonal marking seemed to be working quite well up until Lescotts goal. I think we conceded a lot of goals from set pieces over the last few seasons cause the defenders couldn't stay with their runners. I know they can be outjumped but in principle there should never be a free header with zonal marking. It must have its positives cause loads of teams do it. I'm just pleased that were obviously working on defending set pieces. Good performance. Mertesacker and Arteta very impressive. Should have bought Arteta years ago to play WITH Cesc not to replace him.

  154. SilverGooner

    Sep 24, 2012, 10:32 #26508

    Really pleased with the teams performance but couldn't help thinking that had RvP still been with us, we would have taken all 3 points. With Gervinho clearly misfiring, how come Wenger didn't replace him with Giroud after 60 minutes?

  155. Give peas a chance

    Sep 24, 2012, 10:05 #26507

    Spam head was turd last season and nothing has changed this season. He has scored 3 goals against totally crud teams. ( 2 tap-ins ) Why is he favoured over the OX or even Giroud ??? We should of won yesterday instead mop head played for virtually the whole game what does Arsene Wonger see in him ????? We could still be playing now and he wouldn't score only a few fans in row z might off been killed by his shots. Bin him now and move on.

  156. chris dee

    Sep 24, 2012, 9:54 #26506

    More than deserved the point. Jenkinson continues to show a hunger,determination,passion ,team ethic,will to win,a love of the club and no little skill at right back.

  157. Clive the Gooner

    Sep 24, 2012, 9:45 #26505

    Great team performance but like you say we could have won if Gervinho knew where the goal was. My worry is that this will cost us again as you need to be clinical to win trophies. Also zonal marking. When did we ever see Bould Adams or Keown marking space? The keeper situation could prove our downfall too why didn't Wenger buy someone with experience to help fetch on the keepers? They don't command their area and again this is what we need to win trophies.

  158. Ron

    Sep 24, 2012, 9:30 #26504

    A very good performance. Got lucky on a couple of occasios but we re due a break here and there. Trouble is that there is no 25 goal striker at the Club. That and a clutch of chronically hopeless goalkeepers will prevent the Club building on such results as this over the course of the season.3rd beckons though.

  159. dave

    Sep 24, 2012, 9:29 #26503

    Very happy with the result. Our defence has been great but can't we just buy an older, experienced and solid goal keeper.

  160. Dan h

    Sep 24, 2012, 9:19 #26502

    Zonal marking?I still havn't heard a decent argument for it.The performance all over the pitch was excellent kept at it & heads never went down even though to concede before HT was a blow.To go to the champions & control the game was heartening big Per had his best game in an Arsenal shirt the organisation at the back improved by Arteta not leaving the defence exposed.Cazorla looks top class would have nearly 100 Spain caps if it not for Xavi & Ineista ahead of him his passing off both feet exceptional.Well the money is there no reason not to get a real top striker in january to replace you know who competition for places will only improve us.

  161. HowardL

    Sep 24, 2012, 9:02 #26501

    Excellent all-round performance by Arsenal. Worth the win really I think. Gervinho - oh, oh, oh,oh; if only?

  162. GoonerRon

    Sep 24, 2012, 8:59 #26500

    I would definitely have taken a draw before the game, but the manner of the performance is what really encourages me. We stood toe-to-toe with them and if Gerv had carried through some confidence from his three goals in two matches into this game it could have been three points. To do this without four absolute first team shoo in's (although Jenks might have something to say about Sagna coming back) is very impressive. Early days but very encouraging progress is being made.