Greek Tragedy Averted

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Greek Tragedy Averted


I have a recollection of writing about the trip to Montpellier recently and acknowledging that, ultimately, if you get the points, it doesn’t really matter how. Problems can be worked on. And looking at last night’s performance, this team is unquestionably a work in progress. Having had a look at Aaron Ramsey and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain as partners to Mikel Arteta on Saturday, Francis Coquelin was given a go last night. I’m not blaming the young Frenchman for Arsenal’s general lack of zest during the match, but he didn’t have an outstanding game by any stretch of the imagination. Then again, few did.

It was a tale of getting it right at the key moments and getting lucky at others. The visitors should certainly have scored more than once in the first half. However, two quality finishes from Gervinho and Podolski reaped the spoils. The Gunners’ third goal was so late, it was academic.

The game was a sell out, but as has become familiar on autumn Champions League nights, many season ticket holders had better things to do, or other places to watch the game. The physical attendance was probably around the 48,000 mark. It is a consequence of the gradual filtering down of the amount of quality matches in the groups. Remember the days when we had Barcelona and Fiorentina in the same group? On one level, it is encouraging that more genuine champions are taking part, but there is limited interest in seeing a lot of the names that make up the 32 teams in the group stages, especially if the stakes are not so high as they become in the knockout rounds. This is, I believe, the third time in four seasons Arsenal have faced Olympiacos at this stage. Weird how there are such a choice of obscure teams to draw these days and we invariably end up with the same team.

The goal that the visitors did score will have had Andy Carroll licking his lips ahead of the weekend fixture with West Ham. Per Mertesacker had flu and was watching last night’s match at home, making a return at Upton Park unlikely. However, the defensive solidity that the side began the season with has gradually evaporated, and when Olympiacos won corners, the familiar feeling of dread started to return. How much of the good defensive organization was down to Mertesacker is presumably a question that will be answered when he is picked again, but things did not look tight last night. Whether Abou Diaby is another factor in this is one for debate. It will be intriguing to see who is selected on Saturday. Emmanuel Frimpong hasn’t had a turn yet, and we are all obviously waiting to see if Jack Wilshere can make a successful return.

The third Arsenal goal was good to see, even if half the crowd had made for the exit by that stage. The referee had his whistle in his lips to blow for full time, but as the ball was knocked on, allowed the move to reach its conclusion. It would have been devastating if it had happened that way at the other end, although obviously the home side would have been defending deeper.

So a 3-1 scoreline looks respectable, and you can’t argue with six points out of six. It was not, however, a comfortable night. At times the team were sloppy, as they were against Chelsea. They need to pick their game up at West Ham as they will are unlikely to get away with it there. And as wonderful as Santi Cazorla is, he really needs to work on his finishing. He could easily be the club’s top scorer by now, given the amount of chances he’s put high or wide. Dare I suggest that Gervinho is more clinical? What a thought.

One final oddity about yesterday evening was that there was no clock, or team line-ups on the scoreboard. Strange. Maybe the computer wasn’t working properly. Or is that some new UEFA dictate?

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  1. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 21, 2013, 12:45 #37951

    Simon, players will be signed alright, (but not the type we were all led to believe from the out set well those that believed it anyway) now OGL has got himself in this mess (again) but it would have been very interesting to see what would have happened if we would have came out of the first game with a win and no injuries, especially if we win tonight,would it have been surprising if he wouldn't have bought anyone at all? to some yes, but not to others.

  2. thatsimonrose

    Aug 21, 2013, 10:14 #37922

    It makes me laugh when some here criticise me as an 'AKB'. I never have been, even during the Invincibles. I just support the club and try to stay optimistically realistic. All of Wenger's flaws have been obvious for years. For all the events of the last eight years, failure to qualify for the CL and/or sign quality players before this window ends feels like a pivotal, era-changing watershed. Would Wenger resign? Would anyone sack him? It's unlikely and we are somewhat powerless to affect change, but the pressure from the crowd might just force the issue if our season collapses like never before in the weeks ahead. Surely players will be signed?

  3. Clivus

    Aug 21, 2013, 9:23 #37917

    Unless an offer is unreasonably high I don't think teams are going to sell Arsenal their best players. AW has always done well bringing in talent from abroad, even if there have been some flops. But there's big money floating around now and maybe better scouting, so unearthing the gem is more unlikely. But it has to be said, that with all our rivals strengthening their squads, esp Spuds, this last minute biz, or lack of, is going to anger a lot of fans when ineptitude and injuries leave AFC in mid table when January comes around.

  4. Goonerwoody

    Aug 20, 2013, 5:13 #37772

    Why don't all fans stop talking about the very obvious deficiencies in the running of the club and TAKE MEANINGFUL ACTION? Someone who represents the fans in a position of authority (a reputable fanzine maybe?) needs to coordinate a boycott of a game or something that hurts the club commercially and doesn't involve booing the players or whinging on here.

  5. A Wenger

    Aug 20, 2013, 0:25 #37771

    I cant buy 6 players at 5 to 3.can we win the game with the squad we've got "i say yes". “Even if you go on the Eiffel Tower and you throw the money away, you play with the players you have.”Do you all understand me????.oh well I don't care what you lot think you keep paying my 7.5 million a year.

  6. AFCasap

    Aug 20, 2013, 0:02 #37770

    simon, ted (check your head), and others, your wenger depedent devotion is ridiculous....call yourselves ARSENAL lol now its Ashley Williams? what about titus bramble? richard dunn?...cloggers for the joke cl challenge...mega rich club run like a Ponzi scheme...now wanting the summer leftovers...the wenger stranglehold continues.....clinging on to his 7.5 mil (or is it 9 now) for dear life

  7. Dear Arsenal manager and board

    Aug 19, 2013, 23:33 #37769

    Please please give us our club back, you have held us for ransom far too long, and because we love arsenal so much we have been giving you our money in the hope that you give us our beloved arsenal back, but I guess you are typical of the world today, ruthless unemotional relentless business owners. Unfortunately we will keep giving you our money and you know it. I wish I had a solution, but that is the fact. Anyone out there with a real solution? We have all talked enough and all(99%) seem to agree. If they can overthrow a government with social media and demonstrations surely something can be done?

  8. Paulie Gualtieri

    Aug 19, 2013, 23:15 #37767

    Does anyone still listen to the two clowns? The first one is Wenger. The second, is his love child Simon Rose. Simon Rose, give up. You're like the tiresome rash that keeps on reappearing. Or should I say, the pesky diarrhoea that keeps coming back. Such is the amount of rubbish Simon Rose chats. Another article full of absolute bs. After 8 years of garbage, apparently Arsenal fans should be excited at the prospect of signing a cart horse like Ashley bloody Williams, and Michu. An above average striker ho our famed talent spotter Wenger, coulda signed for just £2 mil a year previously. Pathetic. Unnerving still though, is according to Simon Rose, the teams with new managers were at a distinct disadvantage apparently. Because yer know...they don't have "stability". The type of stability that eight years of failure and mediocrity brings. Strange then that Citeh's new manager saw his team okay breathtaking football and destroy Newcastle...Moyes, who apparently wasn't good enough to replace Wenger, battered Swansea away (and didn't that Ashley Williams look wonderful for all 4 conceded! Great suggestion Simon Rose!)...and Chelski new manager coasted to a routine home win. Meanwhile, Simon Rose's eternal flame, Arsene Wenger, was getting thrashed at home to VILLA. LOL. Simon Rose, you are an enormous clown son. Give up, Wenger is finished. And once he is finally disposed of, you might as well give up wr timing your love letters to him. It's just embarrassing now.

  9. Red Tav

    Aug 19, 2013, 23:02 #37766

    Caear, Ashley Williams, Micah Richards, Felliani, Willian, Michu....plus Cabaye of course, would be a decent haul...alternatively lets give bendtner a new £100k p/w contract for a laugh...bollocks

  10. Guess who!

    Aug 19, 2013, 21:44 #37762

    We are going to have even bigger problems getting a new manager. His paws have been all over the stadium. From the foundations to the roof,his image, quotes are everywhere, Thanks to his friends at RED ACTION.They are planning to display a huge banner at the Tottenham game. Can't imagine it will be anything to do with spending money, more in praise of him. Instead of designing wonderful posters praising the man, they should actually start criticising him for a change.

  11. Andy B

    Aug 19, 2013, 21:34 #37761

    As usual were buying average, not bad, Premier League players. Wasn't the idea of moving to a new stadium so we can compete ? and, as Gazidis said earlier we can now compete with the best so why the f**k is OGL going down the same path as always. You know what I would love is for us to do the same as Man Utd but bid £40 mill + for Fellaini and Baines. What a message that would send out. I know we aren't in desperate need for a left back but I for one think we could do better in nearly every position. PS yeh, I live in a dream world.

  12. SilverGooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 21:34 #37760

    Come on Simon - wise up mate. It has become apparent over the last few weeks that Wenger had no intention of adding to his squad. His comments and obvious delight after beating Man City in a meaningless pre-season friendly were proof to him (and him alone) that the squad was good enough to compete for the PL and CL. The fact is, our squad is average and is in desperate need of quality additions. Of the handful of players that we were linked with in the summer, we subsequently failed to sign any of them. Something is either fundamentally wrong with the team who are 'working 24 hours a day' on transfers, or Wenger is putting obstacles in the way to stop them happening. Transfers didn't seem that much of a problem when David Dein was around but now we just seem to be totally inept when it comes to buying players. There is no doubt that if we had an ambitious owner, things would be a lot different. And that, fellow Gooners, is where the real problems lie. As long as Kronke is the majority shareholder, we can expect little to change. In the meantime, the club shan't be getting a penny of my hard earned cash.

  13. Ron

    Aug 19, 2013, 21:29 #37759

    Northbank - You said it matey. Spot on. The greedy cow would probably have got her breeches down for anybody who was going to take them shares off her at the time.

  14. northbank123

    Aug 19, 2013, 21:05 #37758

    @All is not well........ She has no right to shoot her mouth off. Any Arsenal fan I know, whatever their views and outlook, would kill for the chance to be able to ensure the club kept on the right path. NBS married into that right and couldn't keep the $$$$$$ signs out of her eyes so it sticks in the craw that she pretends to care deeply about the club now.

  15. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Aug 19, 2013, 20:29 #37756

    I see from the BBC sport website that a £10m offer for Cabaye is described by NUFC (unconfirmed) as "derisory"....sheesh where have we heard that before.

  16. Peter Wain

    Aug 19, 2013, 19:56 #37755

    Cannot believe we are bidding for Cabaye We need a tough tackling 6 ft plus midfield player not some oe the same as WIltshire/Cazorla. I fear we are about to wats an awful lot of money om 3rd and 4th rate dross.

  17. TinyLovesTheArsenal

    Aug 19, 2013, 19:48 #37754

    *For God's sake STOP renewing season tickets* OR Shut the f..k up, trust Arsene and keep handing over the money.. No need for this emotionally draining conversation.

  18. Guy in Jersey

    Aug 19, 2013, 19:09 #37753

    Having checked his stats, I can now understand why we're bidding for Cabaye - he's got lots of Europa League experience!

  19. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 18:58 #37752

    I have said this before and i make no apologies for saying it again, the lambs were all taken in by the spin (hook line and sinker) OGL never intended for one minute to sign proper world class players the only players he ever intended to sign (if any) are the type we're going to see now,and continue his fantasy of trying to prove everybody wrong by winning something on the cheap. I was very tempted to insert a tee hee after the word sinker but the situation is to serious for that.

  20. All is not well behind the scenes

    Aug 19, 2013, 18:50 #37751

    do we now think that signings is the only problem at the club ? read the tweet of nina bracewell smith who rues the day that she sold here shares to Stan. reveals much more fundamental problems at the club which many fans have been sensing. all is NOT well behind the scenes.

  21. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 18:28 #37748

    Simon - Had you written this blog 3 - 4 years ago when the same problems existed I might have taken you seriously. Many people have for years been telling the so called experts that Arsenal is going wrong but we were derided, now the days of reckoning are approaching the so called professional bloggers are desperately trying to spin it in their favour. The game was up years ago and as Ron says it now needs a complete clearout and we need a very hard nosed coaching team to re-instate the true Arsenal standards.

  22. northbank123

    Aug 19, 2013, 18:25 #37747

    Ashley Williams is a carthorse. As much as we need to sign another centre-half he just isn't good enough. Although chances are we'll put in a £5m bid on 1st Sept.

  23. Tony

    Aug 19, 2013, 18:19 #37746

    Cabaye is out of the same box as Arteta.Not top class but will do a job.Thats what we are now, we sign players just below the highest level who will do a steady job and is why 4th will always be the height of our ambition.Only Cazorla and maybe a fit Jack would get anywhere near the Chelsea Utd and City starting eleven's

  24. declan burke

    Aug 19, 2013, 18:18 #37745

    Frankly it Doesn't matter now who we sign, This once great club will not return to a state of genuine competitiveness unless and until WENGER goes and several of the board with him - Urgently- the nightmare of course is how can that happen ? My only hope is that the increasing bitterness amongst the fans will continue until all hell breaks loose.

  25. CanadaGooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 18:07 #37744

    Clueless Wenger's began his traditional last minute stumble! we don't have a goalie, we don't have a defense; we're going after a midfielder, which is perhaps the only area we have some half-decent players! Wenger is DONE! I think he's made up his mind he will leave at the end of the season and as such, doesn't really give a hoot! I cant find any other explanation why someone who used to appear quite intelligent has now suddenly become the daftest manager in the league!

  26. GoonerGoal!

    Aug 19, 2013, 17:48 #37743

    Cabaye? Cabaye?? Why??? The man must be losing his senses! Which of our priority problems in goal, at centre-back, defensive mid-fielder, or striker would buying Cabaye solve? Talk about clutching at straws! Surely, I cannot be the only one who has reached the point where I’m almost starting to hope we fail to score, and lose by more than two goals on Wednesday, so that the tolling of the death bell may finally begin… WENGER/GAZIDIS/KROENKE OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  27. Arsene til I die

    Aug 19, 2013, 17:39 #37742

    And you have to applaud Le Boss's radical tactical innovation in rejecting the tired, so passé, concept of the 'holding midfielder' - even to the extent of shipping out of the club anyone capable of paying in that role. What next? Maybe get rid of the goalkeeper and play an additional forward in the 'hole'? (Ches's game on Saturday was a bit of a give away there really...) And if anyway questions Le Boss's credentials on the European stage, just ask them how many European Cups Sir Alf Ramsey won...

  28. Stevieo

    Aug 19, 2013, 17:32 #37740

    Simon, you sound worried in your final sentence. Without 3 or 4 quality players how can we meet our commitments until January? And what commitments would they be? Certainly not challenging for trophies. With such a threadbare squad and lack of quality, it looks like the main objective for the club now is just to get any 11 players out for each game and fulfil the fixtures. We have all the hallmarks of a badly run Sunday pub team that can’t muster anyone to play for. Ask that bloke walking his dog if he wants to play at left back. Anyway, what’s with all this negative sensationalism? We still have two weeks to seize this golden opportunity and strike while the iron is hot, as United and Chelsea look in total disarray with their new management regimes. Better to have the stability of Wenger running the show than new ambitious blood. I look forward to a more feel-good post with a positive vibe next time, on say how we can still catch West Ham this season.

  29. Greenwich Gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 17:20 #37739

    such a stale, decrepit smell around Arsenal now. No really good player would pick our circus over a decent alternative. We are about as dynamic and exciting as OGL's favourite crap puffa-coat. Stay away guys. Empty seats = Kroenke might notice. Playing a pointless game with my mate last night. Sack Wenger with 2 weeks to go still of the transfer window. Bring in someone (Mancini? Heynkes?), give them the same budget and see what happens. Fantasy football. Sanity check for anyone who still thinks Wenger has what it takes to manage our club.

  30. Moscow Gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 17:09 #37737

    Simon you have to understand that Arsene will only ever contemplate signing players who are better than those we have currently in the squad - a mere handful globally: Messi and....? And even then under our esteemed and much lauded financial model we have to land them for 25% or less of their market price. On that basis 'Il Maestro's' activities in the transfer market this Summer are entirely explicable. Remember: Arsene knows best - so shut the f..k up and keep handing over the money.

  31. allybear

    Aug 19, 2013, 16:31 #37736

    Bard i hope your right as that clown AW needs to go. No use going over the same old stuff except he has been held in high regard for too long by too many people. We all know that you shouldnt have to go on a supermarket sweep but this man is an amateur.

  32. Man United Killer

    Aug 19, 2013, 16:19 #37735

    Wenger's constant ditehering in the market makes for one big frustrating cycle.I think it goes like this; 1. Top teams in Europe (of which we SHOULD be one if we weren't so pathetically run) compete for the tier 1 world class material early in the season.We invariably miss out because Wenger won't pay for it or even try as it goes against his economic ethos.He will make a ridiculous bid however. 2. No significant activity (because it's extremely hard to find players for Arsenal) until transfer window draws nearer to a close and teams with target players do not want to sell to us so late in the window when they have worked on their signings and team chemistry all pre-season. 3. We miss out on first choice targets. 4. We switch our attention to second/third choice targets and still have to pay dearly for them in comparison to the talent we get.At this point we are desperate to add to the squad so we have to pay ridiculous prices and wages for second rate players. 5. Takes half a season for team to bond and we make fourth. 6. Celebrate fourth place. 7.New transfer window comes around 8 Go back to step 1 That is pretty much the cycle.Wenger is the only manager who has trouble finding players in the market. Make your voice heard with your wallet.BOYCOTT GAMES. *For Heaven's sake STOP renewing your season tickets*

  33. Quillie

    Aug 19, 2013, 16:10 #37734

    I think I'm going to start seeing other clubs.

  34. 1975

    Aug 19, 2013, 16:07 #37733

    For all we know, there may have been a fury of activity to sign good players but Im in agreement with RDT 4 and others voicing the same point. Why would ambitious top quality players come to Arsenal. Wenger is no longer the big attraction he used to be. 8 years of no trophies and more damagingly, the last 4 of those years have seen us fail to even compete. Doesnt really incentivise you to come. Top players are also drawn to a club because they want to play alongside other top players. You wont get that at Arsenal. All our best players have long gone. You dont come to Arsenal because you'd love to play alongside Arteta, Ramsey, Rosicky or Giroud. We therefore had to be bold, decisive and realistic to overcome that and go hard to bring in a crop of top players together. In that way you may be tempted to come if other good players are going. How have Spurs...yes that lot...been able to spend £60m in short order with very little fuss on what look like some good players (not Galacticos I grant you). Players that they paid good money for but not ridiculous sums beyond our budget. Perhaps they are basically completent and perhaps players are drawn to AVB as a young and developing manager. Wenger, very sadly, is worn out, out of touch and looking frankly inept. Players and their agents will have seen this. Why would you want to work with such a manager. Only if you were pretty average and no team was that interested in you. Lets look forward to a new wave of those kind of players joing up at the eleventh hour. The new cohort of pointless wasters in the class of Park, Santos, Gervinho etc Speaking of which I think we have not yet got rid of the last load of trash. Has Gervinho signed for Roma yet? Park still on our books? Bendtner...the world greatest...still an Arsenal player? Oh and of course we still have Diaby...an injured player who has brief episodes of fitness. Thats why I did not renew my ST. Done with going into debt to pay the club so that they can make a fool of me. It really will only change once Wenger is gone. Is Stan Kroenke a good business man? Im not sure he is? How is he allowing this very valuable and expensive asset that he owns to be gradually devalued by poor managememt and a lack of leadership.

  35. Tony Evans

    Aug 19, 2013, 15:46 #37732

    Ron - you have said it all there, mate, and I agree with your every word.

  36. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Aug 19, 2013, 15:41 #37731

    For those asking for Simon Rose to draw the obvious conclusion from what he can see as well as the rest of us, I'll pre-empt his response here: "Do I think Wenger will leave before the end of his contract? No. Do I think Kroenke will sack him? No. Therefore I see no point in calling for his head. We must wait and see what happens ..." etc, etc, etc...

  37. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 15:40 #37730

    Simon, wenger can't buy one player from a club without making a colossal mess of it how the hell is he going to buy multiple players. As i type this he's supposedly had a bit for Cabaye thrown out from Newcastle (i wonder why?). The fact we've needed a keeper has been discussed to death on here for years and it hasn't happened and it's not going to, because that would be like admitting defeat to the egomaniac that he got it wrong and that won't happen. We had a chance to sign proper top top quality players and wenger proved he wasn't up to the job, so we all know what kind are coming now. Old ground against villa? you don't want to dwell on it to much? really? it only happened hours ago but i suppose you've got a point as it's been happening for years now but lets just sweep it under the carpet again. The answer to your question is d)the managers not up to the job. In your last article you told us you had three categories of some sort i don't exactly remember what they were and don't have the time to go back and look, something/things you'd like to see fulfilled before the start of the season? or something similar i wonder where we'd figure in that now.

  38. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 15:36 #37729

    Wenger now seems to be firing off bids left,right and centre.Meanwhile anyone selling knows he's desperate and will force him to pay dearly for being so unprepared.The whole football world is now watching him crash the car in slow motion and are laughing at him and us. Who can blame them? What a shambles.

  39. jjetplane

    Aug 19, 2013, 15:17 #37728

    Did not make it past your name this time Simon. How many of you are in that bunker?

  40. John Gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 15:09 #37727

    State the obvious much? I notice you still won't blame Wenger. How long have you been sitting on that fence for? Are you waiting for the inevitavle supermarket sweep with enough average players brought in so that you can safely predict a top 4 finish again? All hail Wenger, the king of 4th place.

  41. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 14:59 #37726

    there are loads of players who could make a big differance to the squad simply because we have let 17 players go so now anyone is a plus. we have gone from a very positive end of season when players should of been purchased to a major crisis after one game.the responses to questions asked at the press conferance were really odd to me . granted AW is not a native english speaker yet the impression i got was they(manager,backroom staff and the board) did not know who to sign or what to do next.anything they will do will be seen as a reaction to a problem,instead ofa proactive move to progress the team. this is as bad as that day at old trafford. why is AW taking all the flack? is the board watching from behind the sofa like the rest of us now?

  42. Bard

    Aug 19, 2013, 14:22 #37725

    Simon your post makes sense but only in the context of a normal club trying to improve the squad. Arsenal is currently a dysfunctional organisation led by a manager that has lost the plot. Suarez or no Suarez he has shipped out something like 18 players and bought in 1. The squad is threadbare lacking depth and quality. The idea that he is thinking sensibly along the lines you suggest is laughable. If he doesnt pull off some quality transfers in the next week he's a dead man walking. One more drubbing at home will bring the fans down on him and in my opinion he'll throw the towel in. These are bleak days for us whichever way you want to spin it

  43. Martyn

    Aug 19, 2013, 14:16 #37724

    I hear that Arsenal have made a bid for Cabaye. Why did they not bid for him pre-season? Any signings will be because of injuries not squad strengthening. Cabaye is a good player but not the strong holding midfield player we desperately need. I'm convinced that Wenger intended not to buy players and stick with the current squad unless forced to do so. Time for change.

  44. Ron

    Aug 19, 2013, 14:16 #37723

    Its gone beyond team building now Simon and 'spines' certainly arent built in two mins. The only way ahead now is a new Coach, new backroom and coaching staff and new medical staff coupled with a new CEO upstairs (at least). The horse has bolted from stable Wenger a long time since and theres no way back. His team building days are gone, at least at Arsenal. Youre just saying (keepers,spines etc etc) just what eveybody has been saying for 5 years now, except now the top performers we did have have all gone and whats left is a demoralised array of 2nd rate performers. 4-5 years back rendition of the old, 'we only need 2 or 3 top signings to make us title challengers'was persuasive and applied for sure. Not now. That sqaud now needs purging to cure multiple problems all over the pitch, but more than that, the chap whos there and paid handsomely to do it, isnt the chap whos capable of or who should even be trusted to do it as its him thats the crux of the very problems we have. His time has been and gone and his boat has sailed. His legacy is weakness, disarray, feeble uninspired and hapless players working in a Club ran for any by bankers and accountants riven with institutionalised lethargy,without passion, inspiration or plan. What more do you want to see before you post a 'Wenger out' label to your comments?

  45. chris dee

    Aug 19, 2013, 14:15 #37722

    Wow! There are people who actually believe our problems would be solves by signing second tier players like Michu,Vorm and Willams instead of players like Cesar,Fellaini,or even Papa Cisse. Fellow Gooners there is no hope with this type of attitude.Do we want to be up there with Real,Barca,United.Milan etc or forever be the English equivalant of Valencia and Roma? Good clubs but no gigar.

  46. Ramgun

    Aug 19, 2013, 14:05 #37721

    The Swansea players might want to remain with Swansea because they want to win trophies! You, quite rightly, point out that the summer has been beyond a joke from our club. Are you ready agree that the architect of this shambles has to go? Or would you offer a new contract to the egocentric snob that the ignorant Kroenke has invested all of his power in?

  47. RDT - 4

    Aug 19, 2013, 13:42 #37720

    If you're a top player why on earth would you want to come to the basket case that is Arsenal Football Club at the moment? A bonkers manager, an inept board,a bitter and divided fanbase, abuse from the stands, miserable teammates and virtually no chance of winning anything. Not a happy camp is it? A big sign on the door reading UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT is the ONLY starting point out of this mess.

  48. Guy in Jersey

    Aug 19, 2013, 13:37 #37719

    The lack of signings is a joke. Wenger suggests that it's difficult to compete with the top clubs for players (even though we're the fourth richest club in world football), but the likes of Wolfsburg, Fulham, Swansea, Spurs, Liverpool, Norwich and Southampton have all signed players who would have improved our squad. Also, his assertion that we only add "top, top quality" is shown up by some of the poor buys he's made in recent years - Gervinho, Santos, Chamakh, Park and Campbell being the latest flops. I won't discuss his tactical naivety and many other flaws as they've been aired often enough.

  49. CanadaGooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 13:26 #37717

    Yes Simon; and I cited the examples of Mignolet and Van der Sar last week. Mignolet saved a penalty in his dbut; and Wenger had a chance to buy Van der Sar when we had an appalling goal-keeping record (and Van der Sar wanted to remain in London and join Arsenal from Fulham), but the idiot (Wenger) did nothing and Fergie came cnd plucked Van der Sar. There are so many players out there, including Benteke, who are hungry to build their career, and would beg to join Arsenal, and perform much better than the current half-baked idiots like Walcott. Wenger has wasted the entire summer, and we will have the Squilaccis of this world popping up soon, as last minute buys. PATHETIC!!!

  50. Johhny Lynch

    Aug 19, 2013, 13:24 #37716

    Rose is back preaching

  51. GoonerRon

    Oct 05, 2012, 19:38 #26745

    @ nil21, In the context of Wednesday's game (the editorial of which we are commenting on) we didn't play great, including some poor defending, but won by two clear goals. To be honest the result was all important and we achieved it. In the interests of balance how many times have we dominated teams and not won and have people on here complain about it? Quite a lot I'd say. Clearly, we need to defend better and more consistently but we got the job done.

  52. nil21

    Oct 05, 2012, 13:02 #26742

    @ Goonerob the comments are based on seeing the same mistakes being made year in year out. Poor defending from set pieces etc. Yeah we may have 100 % record but we have no chance of winning the competition with this team and MANAGER anyway. You may live a fantasy world were you think defending like that is a blip. However the majority of arsenal fans have been watching arsenal closely over the past 5 years and we know those defensive blips will keep happening again and again thoughout the season like they have over the past 5 years!!!!. Look at the facts and prove me otherwise. And yes im still a fan and go to most home games. I dont have to be happy and support how our club is being run by the board an wenger. Arsenal existed before wenger and it will do after he's gone.

  53. GoonerRob

    Oct 05, 2012, 10:48 #26740

    Crikey - based on some of the comments it sounds like the apocylpse is upon us. Here was me thinking we have 100% record so far in the CL.

  54. DW Thomas

    Oct 05, 2012, 3:13 #26736

    Judge me in May he says for 7 years now. 4th last I looked is still not a trophy. And that is where this team looks headed AGAIN! We ask for quality to replace the top old guard, and we get average replacements or boys. Sure Artetais solid, Jenks and Gerv are starting to play well, but what have any of them won? Santi is top drawer but our finishing as a team looks like little boys who just learned how to shoot. The defending still--STILL needs work! Wenger has been past his best for a while now,maybe since 2008 when it was there for the taking and we crumbled. It just seems like it is too comfortable for everyone in the team. A coach should play the best in form players always...no ifs or buts! Wenger is the opposite. Give chance after chance to mediocre ones who are always "young and developing." We need new people at management level who kick ass and are ruthless with poor displays and lack of effort. I for one will never feel sorry for a player losing time or getting dropped. Even our benchwarmers make more in a week than I do in a year. That alone disintegrates my sympathy for them. They are paid to perform. You don't like it? Get a different job. Same for Wenger. I am sick of the spin and b.s. always coming out do the club. Cesc, Clichy , Nasri, and RvP saw it too. And yes they are Mercs as well, but look at what they have won or will win!

  55. mister chubbs

    Oct 04, 2012, 20:21 #26735

    Kos and The Verm were a total embarassment and both could easily have seen reds. Maybe one of them could do a job in the midfield. Are Johan D, Miguel and even the dreaded Sqill really that hopeless? The growing optimism I had felt up to the Chelsea game has finally evaporated. Same old, same old.

  56. MarkH

    Oct 04, 2012, 19:11 #26734

    'Weird how there are such a choice of obscure teams to draw these days and we invariably end up with the same team' Its written in UEFA law, Manure must get the whipping boys every year.

  57. Mike

    Oct 04, 2012, 15:48 #26733

    I think Gervinho will probably be the most important player this year - five goals in five games, he might be on to something -the Ox is not as impressive as he is made out to be - looks like another Theo -the team is defensively better with Diaby. Jenkinson and Gibbs might be the future England full backs. A win is a win -I hear that Rosicky, Wilshire and Sagna are all nearing fitness - try and work out your top eleven when thay are all fit - it is a team that can challenge for any trophy

  58. Ron

    Oct 04, 2012, 14:47 #26732

    Our defence is still poor. Why are people trying to convince themselves otherwise? Onn the points about Jenkinson, hes living testimony to the view that this Club needs some 'Britishness'(i accept his isnt total). Graft, endeavour, heart, application and some skill. OK, if we had a Club load of just that the Club wouldnt win the big prizes, but then we cant with a Club full of foreign mercenaries either, at least not of the level/type we recruit. The team might just get a link with the fans again via such players. Well done Jenky!I wished the Club had a few more like you rather than hyped up shrinking violets. PS Vermaelen is as average as the rest of that back line. Hes another who seems immue from criticism. He s lived off those goals he scored 3 years back! Rubbish defender, better as an anchor midfielder, but what do i know? never had half a day working in pro football - Thankfully!

  59. billthered

    Oct 04, 2012, 14:46 #26731

    Those of you that have read my comments on TV5 will no doubt start to agree with me that the best position for him is centre midfield.I advocated signing a CB at the start of the season and move him there I think with every game I have a very reasonable point.

  60. WHL87

    Oct 04, 2012, 14:27 #26730

    As Joni Mitchell said, "you never know what you've got til it's gone" - and Big Per has been missing for the past two games. The much maligned (on here last season) German is a far better player than people give him credit for and he doesn't panic. It says much about him that both Vermaelen (who was awful in the first half last night) and Koscielny (who was awful on Saturday and not much better last night) look far better when playing next to our Teutonic totem pole.

  61. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 04, 2012, 13:34 #26729

    Certainly not a match to text home about the points were secured and i suppose thats all that matters.Thanks to mertesackers sudden illness (very handy this flu)kos kept his place nothing much changed in this department with the usual mistakes of late although they didn't cost us this time they certainly need to get their act together before the weekend or like last saturday we could get punished again especially if merts flu clears up and he picks up a mysterious niggle your right ED what has happened to this defence since the start of the season.If the game was a sell out a hell of a lot of fans didn't turn up there was empty seats every where.Yes when all said and done a respectable scoreline and six points out of six and thats all that matters but still a lot of things to get right.

  62. Mark T

    Oct 04, 2012, 13:01 #26728

    The really good news is that we won a game that we could potentially have lost. Luck is definitely on our side at the moment. It's important to try to be positive as there are lots more twists and turns to this season. There are a few watchouts though. Coquelin and Oxlade-Chamberlain (again) had poor games. The Ox just doesn't seem the same player that we first saw and loved. Where has all the enrgy gone? Where are all the bursting runs? My worry is that it's being coached out of him. I hope I'm wrong and it's just a temporary loss of form. Koscielny and Vermaelen together are worrying. Kos has gone back to the headless chicken days and is far removed from the much improved player we saw last season. Vermaelen has lost some of his composure and needs to take a step back and concentrate on doing the simple things well. As for Gervinho - i just can't get my head around him at all. The fact that he's scoring goals says more about our 'success stories' this season so far than it does about him. On that note, Arteta has been immense; though he isn't a defensive midfielder. He's actually playing more of a sweeper role much of the time. Cazorla has been wonderful but he needs movement around him and he doesn't always get this. Podolski is everything you could want in an Arsenal shirt - committment, drive, passion and a keen eye for goal. I'm not sure that sticking him on the left wing is the best use of his skills though. I'm sorry to say it but I love watching Arsenal when Walcott isn't playing and, for me, that has been one of the bonuses of the season so far. All in all, we're in an ok place. But sterner tests lie ahead.

  63. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Oct 04, 2012, 12:58 #26727

    In my opinion that was Yao Gervinho's best performance since Udinese away in the same competition last August. Good on him. Full marks to Jenkinson as well, amazing progress by him in the past twelve months. Proof of what can be achieved with effort, nous and application. I was watching the match via Sky's overseas internet feed, and Niall Quinn was the co - commentator. He would have spaffed in his red and white striped club undies watching Giroud's aerial pass to Ramsey's feet. The luck in front of nets has to happen for Giroud sooner or later, he's working hard enough for it. I'm not touching the arguments about the defending, by the time my comment is up I'm sure there will already be a slew of theories on that subject.

  64. GG89

    Oct 04, 2012, 12:40 #26726

    Think the gooners lost a bit of confidence after the chelsea game... So to play a Greek side at home in a CL group game was a welcome distraction. Surely the BFG and TV are the first choices at the back... Kos is good backup but I like the former two together... A bit more scary perhaps... With JW back ASAP, hopefully we can expect a bit more control in the centre, MA mopping up behind... The gooners are PDQ thats A1 ok for the PL but need a bit more TLC with the IQ in the CL... Can AW get an OBE if he's french...

  65. Jason

    Oct 04, 2012, 11:52 #26724

    Cant agree about the first two goals being quality finishes.The first was near the middle of the goal and should have been saved the second went through his legs(the only worthwile thing Podolski did all night).Now the third goal a beauty.The defence still looks rocky from crosses into the box.But Wenger has boxed himself into a corner by making TV his captain.Now it looks like a straight shoot out between Kos and Mert for the 2nd CB spot.Can i just say a word about Jenkinson for a player playing for Charlton just over a year ago his crossing is so much better than Wally Walnutt who has been nearly 7 years at the club

  66. Callum

    Oct 04, 2012, 11:22 #26723

    Ed we do the same thing every season we qualify for the knock out stage then get knocked out by the first half decent team we play.Last night we were sloopy with the captain the worse offender.At the moment he is our 3rd best CB Wenger wont leave him out because he is the captain(surprise surprise).Manonne and TV did there best to get the Greeks back into the game.It now looks like Feo is going and once again against tired defenders he flattered to decieve.The more i see Giroud the more i see Chamakh like a fish up a tree

  67. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Oct 04, 2012, 11:21 #26722

    Please please please can we stop saying Arsenal are better organised and more solid this season becuase clearly they aren't. A couple of clean sheets do not make a summer and we now conceade a goal a game wether its against a Chelsea or a team like Coventry and rubbish Greek side that don't travel at all well. T.V. needs dropping until he realises that defending is his priority not joining in attatcks. He was miles off his man for the goal. Yet again another goal conceaded to a header from a cross. Another problem that has been appareant for years but Wenger doesn't or can't address. Why do we have the same problems year in year out? Surely a managers job is to identify areas of weakness and address them. We don't. We have had the same issues for what seems like forever. Like the goal keeper for instance. Typical display last night. Slow boring pointless football that is predictable and one dimensional litered with bad defending. Long live Wenger. Afterall, who would replace him!!!!!!!!!!!

  68. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Oct 04, 2012, 10:16 #26721

    The defensive solidity of the first few games looks a bit of a mirage now. There are the same organisational and concentration issues that have been there for years and years. It looks to me like Wenger just still isn't giving the time in training for this, so it's difficult to see how much Bould can do without that time.

  69. Graham Simons

    Oct 04, 2012, 9:20 #26720

    Gervinho isn't more clinical - he works his nuts off and reaps the rewards. The same cannot be said of the defence. That wayward pass by Vermaelen before the Greeks got their goal was unforgiveable and I hope Bouldy let rip at him at half time. Jenkinson is being considered as an international due to his workrate - so called internationals like our captain could learn a thing or two. This is still largely the same defence that conceded 49 goals last season and they need a massive kick up the backside by Bouldy or should be shown the door.