Upton Lark

Online Ed: Vital Win at West Ham



Upton Lark

Giroud: Classic centre forward play


With 15 minutes on the clock, Arsenal came good and converted their superiority in this London derby into the much-needed maximum points. And yet, West Ham fans might feel justified that – on the chances up to this point – they could have won the match. It was the kind of game where Arsenal played wonderfully in patches, and woefully in others.

What it seemed to suggest is that the defensive discipline of the early fixtures may have been something of an illusion, because familiar errors have crept back into the Gunners’ game. The way Aaron Ramsey was dismissed for the first goal was shocking. And when Andy Carroll headed the ball straight to Vito Mannone from a corner, ‘challenged’ by Lukas Podolski, it was clear that nothing had been learned from Joleon Lescott’s goal a fortnight earlier at Eastlands. It was a carbon copy except for the finish. Conclusion – zonal marking does not work because it allows the opposition players to decide who they are going to attack for the ball. So you will get mismatches and concede goals.

Still, it could have been worse. Per Mertesacker at least made Carroll’s life a bit more difficult that Laurent Koscielny would have managed, when he had the opportunity to compete with him. The decision to start him was the right one and we can only ask ‘what if’ as far as his non-selection against Chelsea the previous Saturday is concerned. West Ham had other decent chances though, and Carroll’s near miss when he competed for a high ball against Mannone brought back memories of the home defeat to Newcastle in 2010-11, when Fabianski was the culprit.

But ultimately, it came down to the old story of – if our defence isn’t what it should be, we will simply outscore you. And that has been the story of Arsenal for a few seasons now. It’s one that has failed to secure trophies, and it’s one we want to move on from, which was the reason for such optimism after the season started with three clean sheets.

Going forward, the dominance at the start of the match was startling. Corner after corner, although the goal wouldn’t come. When the home side went ahead against the run of play, the balance shifted and it became a more even game. Wenger’s team gradually slipped into that over-ponderous mode where they lack the incision to play the killer pass or take a percentage shot, but before half time it came good with Olivier Giroud’s first league goal, created by an excellent cross from Podolski. It was the kind of ball we have seen played a good number of times in recent seasons, but without a traditional centre forward, they have often found no-one, except on occasion when Robin van Persie has not held back.

Giroud demonstrated the value of gambling on such a delivery, and it’s not the first time he has done so, but up to now has failed to convert. There are fears he is another Marouane Chamakh, and that both men have been top scorers in the French League suggests that this achievement is no guarantee of success in England. But let us hope Giroud proves otherwise. I know he has his critics in the Arsenal crowd, but my feeling is that he will come good, because he has always done the right things positionally, even if his finishing has gone through a bad spell. Do you score goals in the Ligue 1 if you can’t hit the target? Hopefully they will come regularly now.

Long term Upton Park regulars would have reflected on the performance of Santi Cazorla as the kind of display they would love to see from a player in a claret and blue shirt. With Big Sam at the helm, the notion of the Academy that produced the Hammers’ flair players of old has probably ground to a halt, although in spite of this, at times the home team did play some decent on the floor football. It wasn’t like facing Bolton in the old days when the midfleld was at times redundant, even if Andy Carroll was the main threat.

Ricardo Vaz Te’s injury looked like a classic example of karma to me. He failed to lift his trailing leg to avoid hitting Mannone in the face. A cynical act, but as a consequence he lost his balance and dislocated his shoulder. Don’t mess with Don Vito… (unless you’re Andy Carroll it would seem).

As the clock ran down, it seemed a question of fitness. Ironic given Sam Allardyce is a big believer in keeping his players in tip top condition, with a huge backroom team and all the latest equipment to analyse the players’ physical condition. But the gaps that appeared on the pitch favoured Arsenal and Theo Walcott, on as a sub, did what he does best and didn’t need to think when he beat the offside trap for the second goal. Just hone in on the goal and use the angle the keeper gives you. Theo could make a significant contribution to the team this season if he is used as a sub in this way.

The third from Cazorla was a lovely piece of icing on the cake, and killed any hopes of a Hammers revival. He had been guilty of missing a decent chance earlier, so it was good to see him put one between the sticks. Arsenal coasted home for the remaining minutes. It was strange to see them playing in last season’s away kit again, although by logic it should get one more outing when the team travel to Aston Villa.

12 points from 21 looks a lot better than nine going into a fortnight’s break, the nine points dropped in three draws and one defeat. It’s the defeat that hurts the most. At home to Chelsea, if the Gunners had taken three points there, they’d have 15 points to the 16 of Roberto Di Matteo’s side and be level with Manchester City in second. As it is there is a seven point gap.

Still, Arsenal must focus on picking up the points they should reasonably be expected to. This season, the only other failure to do that was at home to Sunderland, the first time the new-look team played together in anger. Norwich and QPR are up next before the visit to Old Trafford. It is imperative Arsenal go to Manchester with 18 points, and work on defending set pieces in the meantime, or United will smell blood…

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  1. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 04, 2013, 18:53 #40233

    Charlie Charlie, 18th August six weeks for some reason my memory is not as good as yours but thanks for pointing that out, i actually used that description more than once to describe the dross that the manager accumulated over the years now thankfully gone, with one or two more still hanging around. Also an apt description for the villa performance and i'm delighted to be proved wrong and they've come good, (but a lot of people knew that they would) and haven't had to use it since and hopefully won't have to again.

  2. BADARSE

    Oct 04, 2013, 14:31 #40225

    @maguiresbridge, that parade of a trophy is so inviting. I want to be able to get my young grandchildren to one some day. Next year would be a good time fella. You could heave a few out of the way for my little ones, ha ha. One point though, just remember people like James are really just defending the family honour as an automatic response. I bet he is a good lad too and could heave a few himself for my tiddlers.

  3. Charlie Charlie

    Oct 04, 2013, 14:26 #40223

    Maguiresgooner: A verbatim quote from your posting on 18 August at 14:59.

  4. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 04, 2013, 14:22 #40222

    Thank you, BADARSE but there's always one, yes together, together,together is the way we'll all be at the open top bus parade, even if some of us have to keep moving big boys out of the way for others.

  5. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 04, 2013, 14:12 #40221

    James, i usually wouldn't bother with your ilk but i have a bit of time on my hands at the moment. If you'd been in the trenches with me on numerous occasions you might have come to a different conclusion. As for open top bus parades i'm proud to say i've been at them all and looking forward to the next one, and in what way would it be good to have me around? my experience in the trenches? so i could move some big boy's out of the way at the open bus top party so you could see.

  6. BADARSE

    Oct 04, 2013, 14:02 #40219

    @James, I understand your frustration and irritations with many posters on this website. My biggest feeling of unease is the criticisms any article writers get, whichever, or whatever is written. An article no doubt, takes time to conceive, write and polish, before being submitted. I always thank every article writer, have a look back,if in doubt. I don't agree with maguiresbridge Gooner on a number of points, I probably align myself with you, but I try not to be rude or in any way let my real feelings bubble to the surface. I happen to think maguiresbridge is a good lad, and a definite Arsenal fan, just a bit different to us, perhaps I am different to you anyway. I stand in your camp buddy, but I shall temper things by also defending maguiresbridge. Here's to that open top bus parade. Have written the following once already today, but is more apt now as there are the three of us. Together, together, together.

  7. Mark T

    Oct 04, 2013, 14:02 #40218

    I don't see the point in articles which are a thinly-veiled dig at other Arsenal fans. Different opinions are just part and parcel of life. Whatever the rights and wrongs, we are in a great place now. Just a note on Ramsey - his form was transformed from the second half of LAST season not the beginning of this one. The major change this year is his goal scoring, but the all round transformation has been with us for longer. As for what he really thinks about the fans, I think he recognises that most fans gave him the time he needed. It's easy to knock the way players are treated at Arsenal but from my experience we're a more patient and supportive bunch than most. It would be good to recognise the positives rather than the faults more often. Onwards and upwards.

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 04, 2013, 13:45 #40217

    Thank you Croker, I call it as i see it, and not afraid to do, so if people don't like it to bad, but i also have no problem giving praise where and when it's due and deserved, to both the manager and the team unfortunately there hasn't been much cause for that for a while but that's certainly not the case now and long may it last and we can all have a day out celebrating at Wembley or/and the town hall.

  9. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 04, 2013, 13:31 #40215

    Charlie Charlie, please direct me to where i said anything of the sort about the team a few weeks ago? If i said anything like that it was certainly not to describe this team, if anything it was to describe some of the dross second raters that your messiah had accumulated over the years (and i doubt any would disagree apart from yourself)but now has thankfully got rid. No Charlie i'd imagine you'd hate the thought of people who spoke out against your messiah celebrating, and because of fan's like you, those fans will celebrate even more. It obvious your using to much of your own product.

  10. James

    Oct 04, 2013, 12:24 #40212

    I think we've all come to the conclusion that Canada and Maguirebridge are not the sort of Gooners you'd want in the trenches when times are rough, though to be fair there's many more of their ilk on here. Though when it comes to open top bus parades they come to the party and are very good to have around.

  11. Rocky RIP

    Oct 04, 2013, 10:22 #40203

    I suppose the point I'm trying to make is the slightly weaker side can win thanks to the weight of support and backing of a crowd. Chelsea were a better side than Liverpool in 2005. Liverpool fans will have known it, but it was their backing at Anfield that carried Liverpool across the line. (Across the line being an apt choice of phrase.)

  12. JAMIE

    Oct 04, 2013, 9:45 #40201

    Rocky RIP,I loved that song 'We'll win cos were Arsenal'.I remember as a young man singing in Copenhagen when there was 3 quarters of the ground full of Gooners with a few intimidated Italians behind one goal. Singing in the streets chatting up all those gorgeous Danish chicks. Then contrast it the following year in Paris singing the same song during the game only for it to end in heartbreak and those seats which were like Frisbees being launched onto the pitch by peed off gooners, tear gas sprayed by the French Police and the 1990's equivalent of the AMG's and AKB's coming to blows after the game. Some things never change.

  13. Rocky RIP

    Oct 04, 2013, 9:19 #40200

    @Jonh Gooner - fair do's. We all love Arsenal like a child and want what's best for it. Some show 'tough love' others back it in different ways. My beef is with the impact of needless negativity. @westlower - exactly where I came from in terms of my thinking. Continually saying 'we're dross' and 'we won't win anything' is self-fulfilling. Anyone who was in that street in Copenhagen in '94 prior to the match when about a thousand or so Gooners sang 'WE'll WIN 'COS WE'RE ARSENAL' should know what I mean. It was an awesome moment. The locals were looking out of their windows wondering what had hit them. It echoed down this long street, with tall buidling funneling the noise. Parma were a better side, but the moment we sang that song, there was only going to be one winner. We weren't going to let them beat us. Yes, this was reflected by the attitude of our players (eg. Bould and Adams) but it also relfects a self-fulfilling attitude in the crowd. If the crowd are backing the side 100%, it can push them over the line. If people continually say 'we won't win anything this year, mark my words' it has an equally negative impact. Us fans do have an impact with our positivity/negativity.

  14. Westlower

    Oct 04, 2013, 7:55 #40197

    If the atmosphere created on Tuesday was present at every home game AFC would win the PL doing handsprings. Contrast that with the normal silent majority who eventually get encouraged to sing their only song of 'stand up if you hate Tottenham'. If we are not leading by half time, anxiety rears its ugly head and we're into boo time. Is it any wonder our home form doesn't match up to the away form. Players feed off the crown responses and quickly become inhibited in their play. Until the Emirates is home to an enthusiastic vociferous unconditional support they'll always be a major doubt about AFC getting over the finishing line in front. It was heartwarming to hear the old Highbury songs on Tuesday, let's keep it going and make it the norm at the Emirates. Positive fans are the ones who really make a difference!!

  15. BADARSE

    Oct 04, 2013, 7:49 #40196

    @John Gooner, smugness my friend? No, not a jot. Observationally cutting? On some occasions, perhaps, when required. In this instance recognising some traits in other AFC fans which bump up against the line, no more. Those that cross the line need calling out. Yes we are different , but as an atheist it is quaint to be called holier than thou. We are all products of our environment and the understanding of our experiences, that makes people, not just AFC fans differently, wonderful. My response to a shared love of Arsenal is together, together, together. When that togetherness is threatened I pull away. Verbally that is all we were doing, just making a small demarcation line, no more, chum. Vive la difference! As Arsene might say.

  16. John Gooner

    Oct 04, 2013, 7:16 #40195

    Rocky, BADARSE, us Gooners are a big family, different people will follow the team in different ways. Let's not be smug holier than thou gits ay.

  17. BADARSE

    Oct 04, 2013, 3:46 #40194

    @Rocky RIP,I know exactly what you mean, the 12 Pins incident you speak of is a perfect example, buddy. I believe it to be something generic. An individual may already have stumbled blindly down a pathway of malcontent, and AFC, his team just attracts criticism, like most, or all other things in his life. You know when he gets up in the morning it goes a bit like this, 'Oh, sod it, it's raining again. Where's me other shoe gone? Other side of the bed, how did it get there? Bet the bus will be late again. Nothing to look forward to on TV tonight either with 'Strictly' being on last night, and I don't think Ann Widdecombe should have been voted off. I don't know why I keep the damn thing, it's not worth the licence money...bloody BBC. To top it all the Arse had a good win last night too, so it will be hairy on the Gooner today, with all the Arsene FC merchants braying, and taking pops. Oh sod it, me lace has snapped, bloody Arsene Wenger!' It is very difficult to change direction in life once the status quo has been established, even if that status only really exists in the mind of the individual. There is an old saying, often said when kids usually, or when adults too got the hump over something, 'Leave them alone, they'll come around without water.' I often think this is the best policy my friend.

  18. Jason B

    Oct 03, 2013, 23:59 #40192

    I was one of those who was calling for his head after the villa game. I am now eating a little humble pie. Didn't see the likes of Ozil and Flamini signing up, but fair play to the man.10 wins on the spin is fantastic.

  19. Croker

    Oct 03, 2013, 22:51 #40189

    Nicely summed up maguiresbridge. I moan and speak up when I can see something is wrong and needs fixing. For the past few years we've been a few players light of winning things and let down by some inept looking tactics and not enough leaders out there on the pitch. But I don't boo or slag off players and we should all be united in enjoying the good times. The lean years make them all the more enjoyable.

  20. Charlie Charlie

    Oct 03, 2013, 22:50 #40188

    Maguirebridge Gooner - I just love the thought of you celebrating any success of a team that only a few weeks ago you described as a "bunch of losers playing for our club, undisciplined second raters who are simply not good enough or never will be". Loyal supporter!!!

  21. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 03, 2013, 22:32 #40187

    Charlie Charlie, so Canada Gooner represents all that's bad about a certain percentage of so called Arsenal supporters? no he does not, he represents a big percentage of True Arsenal supporters who weren't prepared to bury their head in the sand over the last eight years and counting (bad patch? what would be a really bad patch? sixteen years) and were prepared to speak out and weren't afraid to do so like a lot of others,while we were being humiliated by the likes of Bradford and Blackburn not to mention all the other embarrassments and beatings over the years by inferior opposition and every thing else that went with it over that length of time. We'll probably never know but just maybe it's because people did speak out during that bad patch that we are where we are today with one of the best players in the world. And i'm sure i can speak for Canada Gooner as well as myself and indeed others that when we do win something the people that did speak out and make their feelings known will not feel one bit guilty and celebrate like never before and enjoy it just as much as we used to all those years ago if not more.

  22. Rocky RIP

    Oct 03, 2013, 22:19 #40186

    Apologies to all. I'm being hypocritical. I called for an end to bickering, but am as guilty as others. I can't help thinking I've been drawn into it though. I thought after the superb Napoli win that there's surely no way we'll get the usual negative stuff on Online Gooner again and the usual forefighting from older voices of reason like BADARSE. (PS Cheers my friend, same again?) How wrong I was. So whilst I'm being hypocritical I'll make one last negative point myself. BADARSE - the 'supporters' you refer to remind me of the type (new breed of football fan generally) that watch in silence, don't applaud or cheer the good stuff, but are outraged the moment a pass doesn't go to feet. It's the only noise these people make. I was in the 12 Pins watching the Roma (away) game several years back. We were doing badly and some bloke roared 'get Henry off! He's f'ing useless!' A minute later we played an amazing sequence of passes and narrowly missed out on a goal. I turned to the bloke (a big lump) and said 'are you not going to applaud that? You only comment to moan, but when we do something excellent: no comment.' He couldn't see my problem. Anyway, Henry promptly scored and I turned to him shouting 'get him off!' By the time, Henry scored his hat-trick half the pub were shouting 'get him off!' to this bloke who looked more upset that he'd lost an 'argument' than pleased that Arsenal had won. Was anyone else there? It's strange to think that even back then Henry still had his doubters. A microcosm of the bigger picture in the daily battles on O.G? By the way Jamie, think again, I am considerably more of a fan than yow.

  23. JAMIE

    Oct 03, 2013, 22:15 #40184

    To be honest Badarse,most of what I say is just a bit of fun.I used to employ these tactics just to break up all the negative threads that used to be on here. Getting a good bite out of people like Ron, Marcus, Stroud and Canada was just a bonus.

  24. BADARSE

    Oct 03, 2013, 22:05 #40183

    Well JAMIE, you get my vote, for your modesty if nothing else. It's good to be a Gooner, ha ha.

  25. JAMIE

    Oct 03, 2013, 22:01 #40182

    I would say I was the greatest of all the fans on here. Because even when we were struggling and everyone was cursing Wenger and the team, I stood up for them and kicked the arses of all the AMG's because of my superior understanding of all things Arsenal. When Arsenal reel in the trophies this season as they have done in the past,I can hold my head up high and say I've never had a bad word to say about the Arsenal, and will enjoy the success far more than the whingers. Let us superfans get behind the team and roar them on to victory and let the complainers suck on their spud and manure teets.

  26. BADARSE

    Oct 03, 2013, 21:32 #40181

    I address this directly to Rocky RIP, as after his last post, were we together I would have no doubt, smiled, nodded, then gone up to the bar to get us both a top up. Rocky, the insulting term 'dross', as used in a negative fashion to beat Arsene with I see this way. Firstly, I think I can spot talent, and can measure roughly how far along in development a player may be. I have confidence in my judgement and am usually right. I am not unique as I believe there are many fans who operate within these ****eters. Many obviously do not! However I am conveniently making an assessment of those who have passed through a pretty exacting filter system. In other words looking at supposedly the cream and deliberating on how they are performing on the pitch. It is something quite different to spot, weigh up, then probably gamble on a developing talent. Players do not improve in a naturally smooth upwards curve. They suffer from setbacks of injuries, belief and confidence. Then, with the individual already signed up to a contract, his progress stutters and fails. Then come screams from the footlights, 'He is dross, you shouldn't have signed him, he is deadwood get rid! You don't deserve to be our manager!' To me, not only is this puerile, but it is unbecoming of a supporter, and counter productive. Yet more, it is so unrealistic as to be laughable. Sorry to use you as a soundboard Rocky, but I think you probably think along similar lines to me.

  27. Rocky RIP

    Oct 03, 2013, 21:17 #40179

    ... sorry, should have read 10 consecutive clean sheets, a record in the champions league. (Without a trophy, it doesn't count though, apparently.)

  28. Rocky RIP

    Oct 03, 2013, 21:05 #40177

    @Canada Gooner - Flamini played as a covering left-back in the Arsenal defence which went on a record unbeaten run of 10 games in the champions league in 2006. Culminating in a place in the final. I'd say that was more aligned to the word 'useful' than 'useless as f***'. Although because it didn't give you the trophy you seem entitled to as a fan (8 years and no trophy?!?!?!?! where are my trophies?!), I guess it didn't count. Anyone with half a footballing brain could see that Flamini, Ramsey and Giroud are gifted footballers, whose form may have suffered at times, but I've heard you slate all of them. Maybe you're just slow to spot talent? You call as you see it, I'm doing it now. Sorry if it's rude, but little convinces me you can see beyond trophies or no trophies = good or bad. Charlie Charlie, I'm with you on this one. It saddens me how negative some of our fans are. We can pick holes all day long if we have to. It's the easiest thing in the world being negative. The worst thing is it transmits to the players as Mikel has said recently. I repeat: there is so much grounds for optimism at the moment. Yes, much bigger tests await and we'll get a clearer idea in November of whether it's a false dawn, and we've miles to go yet, but can people need atleast ask a question as Simon Rose has done, without it descending into yet another debate about 'dross', 'nothing's been won' and 'Wenger is an UNFORGIVABLE war criminal for not delivering me my trophies for the past 8 years?'

  29. GoonerRon

    Oct 03, 2013, 20:56 #40176

    It certainly is an encouraging run and one that naturally gets the excitement going. I'm doing my best to just enjoy the moment but on one hand am struggling to not get over-excited and on the other am hoping that when a defeat inevitably occurs that our season isn't derailed. I think it's about time for people to stop point scoring over who is right, who is wrong, who is vindicated for sticking by Wenger/Ramsey etc, who should feel remorse for not supporting unconditionally, let's just unite and continue to create the atmosphere like we did on Tuesday. I've heard enough of 'I told you so's' for now.

  30. Terry

    Oct 03, 2013, 20:34 #40175

    Those who have been calling for Wengers head tend to be the simpler fan who as Badarse said swallow whatever the media feed them. If you look back through history people always follow what is fed to them. The Wob's tend to be the more base of fellows who tend to be moved by their emotions rather than the facts. Luckily at Arsenal we have have a large section of fans who don't have knee jerk reactions and are quite forward thinking so the club doesn't fall into the sensationalism others do and why we have had numerous managers in the past who are given a good chance to build.

  31. Charlie Charlie

    Oct 03, 2013, 20:19 #40173

    Usual level of argument then Canada Gooner. Surprised it took you so long!

  32. CanadaGooner

    Oct 03, 2013, 20:16 #40172

    Charlie Charlie, Mommy's calling: time to brush your teeth and go to bed..

  33. Stevieo

    Oct 03, 2013, 20:12 #40171

    A very negative post by your standards Simon.This time 12 and 24 months ago, you wrote with your positive mindset articles stating that after our terrible starts, we would turn our seasons around and would finish 4th. And we were told to rejoice at this achievement of jumping above Everton and Spurs. This time around you are riddled with doubt – it might not last so enjoy it while you can. It seems to me that if you’re pro Wenger you can make a rational claim that this run might not continue, and go on preaching what super fans you are. Can you imagine the slaver an anti Wenger fan would get if he came on here with the same rational thought that our form could dip? The best thing about our great start is that we don’t have to read anymore AKB drivel about waiting to judge the team in May. The judging has all been done in September. In fact the judging was all wrapped up after the signing of Ozil by the looks of things, so what the significance of this magic ten game mark is I don’t know?

  34. Greg71

    Oct 03, 2013, 20:04 #40170

    @charlie charlie what is a bad patch and how long does it last compared to a good patch ? surely at the end of a season with a trophy or even two ! Arsenal are a famous club with a longer history of success than most,the last 8 ground hog years have included other false dawns,lets not forget it. i admire your positivity and hope you can post similar in May 14 !

  35. John Gooner

    Oct 03, 2013, 19:56 #40169

    @ Charlie Charlie... 'bad patch'? Ha! Are you for real? Was your post genuine, or were you just trying to wind people up?

  36. Wilson

    Oct 03, 2013, 19:45 #40167

    What short memories some of our fans have.Suarez was our main target all summer and if we had bought him and lets be honest we were more desperate for a striker than a midfielder Ozil would not have been signed.Flamini will turn out to be the signing of the season

  37. Charlie Charlie

    Oct 03, 2013, 18:42 #40165

    Sorry Canada Gooner but you represent all that is bad about a certain percentage of so called Arsenal supporters. The club went through a bad patch following the move to Emirates and all you could do in recent years is criticise rather than giving full support. Easy to to cheer on a team when they are doing well. A bit tougher when they are struggling. If the Arse do win anything this year, you won't enjoy it as much as many others because you will hopefully feel racked with guilt about contributing to the negativity surrounding the club at the beginning of the season.

  38. unchives

    Oct 03, 2013, 18:26 #40164

    We have been excellent so far, even after our injury list has grown....However WHY can you not wait before writing an article like this, with an international break(possible Injuries) Chelsea, Liverpool & Man Utd coming up! SIMON.....why cant you just wait! I think the Editor is setting you up for a fall so he looks good, but you cant see it. Got your article ready Kevin? COME ON YOU GOONERS!

  39. CanadaGooner

    Oct 03, 2013, 18:00 #40162

    Sorry to disappoint you JAYJAY & co., I dont associate with any of the groups (WOB or AKB); I simply call it as I see it. If we win a trophy or even all trophies available this year, it doesnt answer the question as far as what's gone on in the past 8 years go. Will we all celebrate those trophies (when they come)? ofcourse! Same as we spend all the money going to the games each week. If you think fans who spend heaps going to games, do not derive satisfaction when we win, then you need your head checking.

  40. JAYJAY

    Oct 03, 2013, 17:30 #40161

    I bet CanadaGooner won't be happy when we still on top of the league at the end of the November.Many Wenger Out boys hiding out now and not very happy current performance because their Wenger Out hatred is so deep that they can't even enjoy our great show.Sad really.

  41. Croker

    Oct 03, 2013, 16:55 #40159

    @CanadaGooner. Are you having a bad day at work? Flamini "useless" ? Fair enough, he manages his contract terms to suit himself but which player does n't do that nowadays? Flamini distinguished himself covering for Cashley and as part of the record breaking Arsenal side that got to the Champions League Final in 2006 and his performances and commitment to the Club run long in my memory. What I have forgotten though is whether he lost on a place in the final through a hamstring injury or was harshly dropped. Not for one second do I claim to have foreseen his mighty influence on the side since his return but you do him a serious injustice. I like a lot of your thoughts on these pages but Flamini was an unsung hero in his previous spell and watching his partnership with Cesc was worth a sizeable chunk of the extortionate ticket prices for the Grove. Sorry for coming over all Ed Milliband but I don't want to see Flamini rubbished, he was / is one of my favourite players, even had he never returned.

  42. 1971 Gooner

    Oct 03, 2013, 16:40 #40158

    Well-written piece Simon. I certainly didn't see Ramsey's form coming as I couldn't actually be sure what role he was intended to fill in midfield. As an aside, if Theo was a cool as Rambo when presented with a goal scoring opportunity he has to think about he'd double his tally for the season. I am delighted by our current form but share the concerns of those who think talk of a new contract for AW is premature. The Ozil effect on other players is clearly there - even in my club cricket days when we got a new player in who was clearly a quality batter or bowler it made the rest of us who were not quite so good lift our game.

  43. BADARSE

    Oct 03, 2013, 16:23 #40155

    JJB, very wise words, I would offer this though. You say most fans with half a brain would know what the pundits are like. Actually, many feed off everything they say, especially a certain type. Those that swallow the trash reported as news in the Sun, swallow the spiel that 'experts' spout. As the Sun is the biggest selling daily you know a few must be Arsenal fans. I have a buddy who watches MotD with the volume off and has advocated I do the same. I have tried but I have to hear their bigotry, just to help convince me that I am heading in the opposite direction. I also skim through the Sun occasionally, providing I am wearing gloves, or can wash my hands soon after, just to find out how the many are being influenced. I know one fan who has a constant diet of SKY and the Sun. When we see each other, I give my version of events and I feel I am purging him of the detritus he has accumulated.

  44. Rocky RIP

    Oct 03, 2013, 16:13 #40154

    @JohnGooner - 'I don't recall anyone being unhappy at Flamini returning to the club' - in fairness, when the idea was first suggested there were plenty who weren't keen. 'F*** him, f*** him in the ear' was the reaction from one well know fan group's twitter account. Another (with thousands of followers) also said he didn't want him back as it reperesented as step backwards. For the record, and I've said it on here plenty of times, my initial reaction was 'extremely sensible squad addition'. Anyway, he's back and he's been a HUGE difference. I really wish people would stop bickering and point scoring and 'I told you so-ing' whenever a result backs up their pro/anti-Wenger stance. Let's all delight in the here and now, (as The Flaming Lips sang, it's 'all we ever have') with cautious optimism for the future.

  45. Mike

    Oct 03, 2013, 15:58 #40153

    I think it was documented somewhere that Flamini doesn't want to be sold off with a price tag because he has a notion it equates to slavery hence he wanders from club to club on free transfers - quite how he ended up training with Arsenal is a bit baffeling to me. However, Robert Pires is there every now and then showing that old players are used to impart experience on the younger guys. As for RVP coming back - well for seven years the club stood by him whilst he had injury after injury - he has one good season and hes gone - not too sure if I would want him back. I think he is one of the people the devided the team

  46. Westlower

    Oct 03, 2013, 15:40 #40151

    Terry, AFC will buy the right player at the right price if they are available and if they have a desire to join us. Hopefully Marco Reus will be that man in Jan. Demanding fans simply don't enter the equation. Yes, I'm enjoying the great football being played en route to the inevitable trophy(s)!

  47. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 03, 2013, 15:36 #40150

    It's shaping up to be Simon but we've all been here before so lets not get carried away as a lot already are, we've won nothing yet. The signing of Ozil and Flamini are working a treat alright they've certainly transformed the club,it's just a pity the like didn't arrive much earlier and maybe we could have avoided all the humiliations we had, and maybe would have had more treats in the form of silver ware. Another one or even two of the likes of Ozil would push us much closer to that goal that's for sure. RVP for example would he be welcomed back the same way Flamini the traitor was? Flamini is certainly no traitor now, that's if he ever was, and the same goes for RVP if he were to come back and started knocking in the goals with the help of Ozil it would no doubt be seen as a great piece of business and i doubt he'd have the Poznan done on him. When we reach the twenty match mark you talk about, we'll know better where we are, and if there's a chance of success or another disappointment. And i would imagine we all want success no matter what our views and lets hope these treats we're getting on the pitch at the moment are turned into that in the form of real silverware and when it does come we'll all celebrate it deliriously, because there's been enough disappointments in the last eight years,and they're still remembered even though some have conveniently forgotten.

  48. Ron

    Oct 03, 2013, 15:33 #40149

    Pundits? Sky? TV football comment/coverage? Its all garbage. All you have to do is not subscribe guys for heavens sake! Once its gone, you ll not miss it. Gteed. Jimmy Hill used to do as good a job on his own as did Brian Moore. Its al you needed. A dose of "heres the game or the highlights, make of it what you will". ITV started punditry in the 1970 WC, with the odious and drunken Pat Crerand, daft Derek Dougan, the quiet and pointless Bob McNab (sorry Bob, i know you were in my fav Arsenal team 1971 but as a pundit you were useless mate) and that big headed arrogant ponce Malcolm Allison. Its got worse each year since!

  49. Terry

    Oct 03, 2013, 15:23 #40148

    @westlower Fans demanding Trophies and sky high transfer.Bit like the club demanding sky high ticket prices.Are you telling me you are not glad we spent £42m on a world class player? If the fans had not demanded spending money would we have got Ozil.World class players cost big money not £5m.We now need to spend big again in january on a striker.Spending big money on quality players and improves the chances of actually winning something.Who wants to watch great football when there is no trophy at the end of the season

  50. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Oct 03, 2013, 14:19 #40143

    The general standard of persons who appear talking about football on the television is not great. Perhaps not surprising given that we aren't talking about having the emeritus professor of cunning plans at Balliol College on the box are we? What winds me up is when these people decide upon the evidence of 6 games that MUFC cannot possibly win the league or that AFC are going to. This also happens within a game where commentator and pundit agree that they "can't see" where an equalising goal is coming from. I suppose the truth is that you have to go on there and try and say something intelligent, and some of the thought is going to be partially formed or simply wrong. I would generally prefer to hear from M.Keown or L.Dixon who don't generally open their mouths without something vaguely coherent to say. In a completely different context I also enjoy it when C Nicholas and P Merson (and if you are really lucky F.McLintock) are on Sky Sports News when Arsenal Score. Does anyone else here press the "mute" button when they are interviewing Mr Wenger?

  51. JJB

    Oct 03, 2013, 13:26 #40140

    Canadagooner - Calm down mate before you do yourself a mischief. I really don’t understand why certain fans, of all clubs to be honest get so bothered by what so called football journalists and pundits say or think? Most of them are buffoons, and ex-players like Jamie Redknapp who has never played at Europes highest level or won anything of note are the worst of all, but I don’t listen to what he says because I don’t care, it’s just white noise. Most of the pundits now seem to be ex Liverpool and love nothing more than to blow smoke up the backside of a club that has been in the gutter for the past 2 years, can you imagine the reaction if Utd or Arsenal had acted as they have? There are a few journo's who write decent stuff but on the whole, the football media in this country is a joke, and most fans with half a brain know this and just make the judgements based on their own in depth knowledge! I’ve been a season ticket holder for 20yrs, I don’t need some ex mid table a***hole telling me about my club, I find it funny. Martin Samuel even as his own column where he "cleverly" answers the fans back with pithy one line comments, how big of him....how clever to have a "debate" with his readers that he has total control of. The fact is he is an overweight clown who loves nothing more than a sensationalist headline with such limited knowledge of most sports you wonder how he gets paid! But this is the same paper that has given ADRIAN DURHAM a platform to espouse his idiotic buffoonery, I read his column because it is hilarious.....and people who react to it are stupid because he is clearly mentally challenged, or was bullied badly at school and needs to be centre of attention. I just say to you and others, to just chill out! Enjoy what the team are currently producing because it can’t last all season, but we may get a trophy out of it and that is all I care about.

  52. cyril

    Oct 03, 2013, 13:23 #40139

    Mr Rose, can I ask whether all those fans who criticised Mr Wenger are still allowed to go to the matches ?

  53. jjetplane

    Oct 03, 2013, 13:19 #40137

    Picked a random sentence and no change there. Some of us may not think remotely like you but that does not mean you have some monopoly on enjoying the now. A 'kick up the arse' never hurt anyone and judging dear Arsene's currently bemused expressions I would venture that he read the critisms more carefully than the conservative austerity football line ....

  54. Flaminator 2

    Oct 03, 2013, 13:15 #40136

    Of course we are enjoying our current form but when were trophies handed out on the 3rd of October?.Its this short-termism that is killing our club.Talk of giving Wenger a new contract while forgetting the last 8 years is just plain stupid.Ozil hasnt joined us to just compete he wants to be in a trophy winnig team and the fans want to see a trophy winning team.Is that really asking too much?Looking at our league fixtures all the teams we have played we beat in the same fixtures last season

  55. Westlower

    Oct 03, 2013, 13:14 #40135

    Fans DEMANDING trophies & sky high transfers (shades of the pantomime that is Newcastle United). AW's execution now generously delayed until November, March/April or end of season. The overpaid manager who wouldn't know a good player if he p...sed on his shoes. Now the controversial bit: This current squad is one of the best in Europe so put your petty issues behind you and enjoy the feast that is being rolled out in front of you. Success tends to creep up without people being ready for it. Update your brains before it's too late as you'll miss all the fun!!

  56. Kenny

    Oct 03, 2013, 12:59 #40134

    Simon Wenger has to be judged on trophies won at the end of the season not a run of wins at the start of the season.We have been there before in 2008,10 and 11 when we have blown up in the home straight.If Wenger fails to win anything again that has to be the end for him we cant keep saying give Wenger one one season

  57. Bard

    Oct 03, 2013, 12:58 #40133

    Fishpie: I can go along with your critique to a certain extent. However There is a huge gap between competing and winning and thats why I'm reluctant to go overboard right now. Has Wenger still got it when the heats on. Recent history would suggest he hasn't. Birmingham, Bradford, Blackburn to name but a few. I would love to proved wrong.

  58. BADARSE

    Oct 03, 2013, 12:40 #40132

    Thank you Simon, a first class article. There is one person here enjoying the moment, everyone should be, you never know when any moment will be your last.

  59. John Gooner

    Oct 03, 2013, 12:36 #40131

    O great, Simon Rose returns at his preachy best! So as per usual you alone saw it all coming and everyone else was wrong? I don't recall anyone being unhappy at Flamini returning to the club, I'm not sure which idiots you've been talking to? I also don't recall him once being called a 'traitor' and I read almost every post on this website and others. A good run counts for very little when it spans part of 2 seasons. If we're still top (or even second) in February, then I will start to believe. Until then, let's not jump the gun and - to use an old cliche - take one game at a time. COYG!

  60. CanadaGooner

    Oct 03, 2013, 12:35 #40130

    I'll tell you all, what really does infuriate me these days, is the pundits that are paid by the various cable or TV stations: Jamie Rednapp has become such an annoying tw*t with his comments about Arsenal, and the most annoying for me, was when the Champions League group stage draws came out: it only takes one stupid pundit to say "oh, Arsenal's got the most difficult group" to become news, and suddenly all the newspapers and Tv channels are reporting the same crap! Based on what? Every year, we qualify for the champions league [who's to stop us? crappy wannabe teams like Spurs?] and then we always tend to make it to the knock-out stages anyway [who's to stop us? teams from the crappy weak leagues like the french or italian league? - the days of AC Milan, Juventus and Inter dominating european football are long since passed! The german and spanish leagues are the only ones posing a threat these days, alongside the english premier league]. I can understand it if a Tv Pundit were to say it will be difficult for Arsenal to do well at the knockout stages, then one could say, well, perhaps. But to keep hacking on year after year, about how difficult or impossible it will be for arsenal to finish in the top 4 or get to the knockout stages of the CL etc., is based on WHAT??? bunch of overpaid vultures calling themselves TV pundits! pathetic!!

  61. CanadaGooner

    Oct 03, 2013, 12:10 #40129

    @Benny2 - if I dont enjoy the games I wont be going week in, week out as I do. I cant recall saying anything overly negative about the current nolstagia being shown by some fans, but yes, I would like to see where we are at the end of November before I start falling all over myself. For you early revelers, feel free to continue rejoicing in the successes even though nothing's actually been won yet, it's your perogative.

  62. Benny2

    Oct 03, 2013, 11:38 #40127

    CanadaGooner - I don't doubt you love Arsenal, but for heavens sake! Can you not for one moment enjoy being an Arsenal supporter, enjoy our league position, enjoy the squads obvious happiness and enjoy Wenger's smile. Whether or not you like him, I have news for you, he'll be here for a long time yet.

  63. ex akb

    Oct 03, 2013, 11:05 #40126

    Great point about Flamini appearances for Milan. The media here are so bloody lazy. Tony Cascarino the other night ,said he never played at milan. Over 120 appearances in five seasons and a league tiitle. One of those seasons he was out for nearly the whole season. Another classic is the dismissal of Viera's record in Italy. Just the four titles and played in another world cup final.

  64. Red Mist

    Oct 03, 2013, 10:42 #40125

    I don't see any negativity in demanding we win a trophy this year. It's time the team delivered.

  65. Fishpie

    Oct 03, 2013, 10:30 #40124

    I've been critical of Mr. Wenger for some years now and basically agreed with AST that it was premature to offer him a new contract without any evidence to suggest he could lead Arsenal to trophy success. But to be fair to him my specific criticisms of him have started to be addressed: 1) Over 5/6 seasons he couldn't resolve ongoing defensive problems; well the last 3/4 momths have seen better, more resilient and disciplined defensive performances. 2) Over the last 5/6 seasons we turned up to play in too many games against "lesser" teams with the wrong work-ethic attitude; well our current and pretty long run of form now has been built on preparedness to work, fight and battle against such teams 3) Arsene's eye for a good player seemed to have deserted him accumulating and persisting with a series of players (both youth and experienced) who have been frankly terrible; most of those players have now been moved on and replaced with generally better and sometimes significantly better players; 4) Arsene's restricting and wasteful socialist wage structure has been blown apart by Ozil. He is capable of spending big. So I see much better signs. There is a pragmatism to the way the team is set up, it isn't all about just keeping the ball. Our off the ball football is better. So sure it's not perfect and its just months old but yes, because of all of these things, I feel I can allow myself to hope that something of substance is emerging. I'm certainly enjoying things more. And Mr. Wenger deserves the credit for changing and creating a new momentum. Can he maintain and take it further? Ozil will have asked some questions of him too (I hope). And anyway guys, you read the Mirror Kreonke interview, Mr Wenger will be offered a new contract regardless.

  66. Mike

    Oct 03, 2013, 9:37 #40123

    Ozil was convinced by Wenger to join the club -didn't Man Utd also want him and they ended up with Fellani (another favourite on this site). Everything is going good right now. I can't understand why people are still negative - This team is now playing for each other - no more devisive ego's a la RVP, Nasri in the changeroom - and they are enjoying their football. It a long time since we've seen that. They were largely criticised fro the way they celebrated at Newcastle last year - but the fact they did showed that there was a team comeraderie developing long before Ozil arrived.

  67. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Oct 03, 2013, 9:36 #40122

    The title is possible if everyone stays fit (which is a big ask)because the opposition isn't that great. The big obstacle is Chelsea and in particular their manager. He will demand of his team the sort of defensive strength that we are currently exhibiting in every game. He will not make many significant errors on or off the pitch. In our favour we have a heavily motivated side who are sick to the back teeth of winning nothing. It is possible but unlikely. If you know your history however, you will know that most successful teams, at least at Arsenal, has an small initial success (eg Fairs Cup 1970, League Cup 1987). Frankly if we could win the League Cup or the F.A. Cup this season, that would be the start of a way back. Being in contention for real, rather than in the wild imaginings of the delusional, is simply good fun and a massive change.

  68. CanadaGooner

    Oct 03, 2013, 9:26 #40121

    @ Simon Rose --- "we messed up sorting a contract extension for Flamini?" --- WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???!!! Flamini was useless as fu*k for several seasons (very similar to Walcott) but when his contract started to run down, he stepped up and played out of his skin in his final 18 months at Arsenal, by which time, there was no fu*king way we could have kept him, as he knows he can leave on a FREE and whoever buys him will be willing to pay him a huge signing bonus (and ofcourse, his agents as well!). It's like saying we should have extended chamakh's contract just in case he decides to play really well in the final season of his current contract, so that we dont lose him?. I have been, and remain VERY CRITICAL of Wenger for his stubbornness in the last 8 years, which left us with no trophies over that period, BUT it is ridiculous to blame anyone at the club, for what happened with Flamini. Anyway, he is back now, and surprisingly, he's been a solid re-addition to the team. Come on you Gunners!!!!

  69. Seven Kings Gooner

    Oct 03, 2013, 9:17 #40120

    Simon : Had the fans not shown their disgust at the lack of real signings do you think we would have landed Ozil? The team are performing better and that is great, however I think we should leave talking about titles until March/April next year. If we are still in the mix then, I will get excited. IMO the squad still has serious shortcomings that hopefully can be resolved in the January transfer window.

  70. CanadaGooner

    Oct 03, 2013, 9:03 #40119

    We will see at the end of November....

  71. thatsimonrose

    Oct 03, 2013, 8:51 #40118

    Bard, "Sorry you couldn't resist a dig at those on this site who have been critical of Wenger." I do make it clear, as I have many times, that I have no problem whatsoever with anyone being critical of Wenger. As I say here again, there are long-term gripes. I have never been shy of pointing them out, no matter what some here lazily try to claim. But I make a very simple point: it is completely unnecessary for people to insult Wenger as a person. Some have gone way overboard. Whether he should still be the Arsenal manager or not, he doesn't merit that.

  72. Mark from Aylesbury

    Oct 03, 2013, 8:37 #40117

    With Bard on this one, I love Arsenal playing like this. But no trophies at end of season and it is time to say goodbye to Arsene . 10 years is simply too long. But never fear trophies or not Arsene will be offered 8 million a year anyway, I think you will find that most people can actually divorce their Arsene from their Arsenal whether they like him or not. What has helped in my eyes is the killing of the Colney crèche. In one swoop Mezil points the way to us acting as a club of our status and a new striker in January will further our standing. All most of us ever asked was that te board / manager reflected the proper standing of the club. Looks like they are finally catching up with the ambition of the supporters. .

  73. Tony Evans

    Oct 03, 2013, 8:26 #40116

    Simon - I would be amazed if any of Wenger's detractors were not enjoying this current run of good form. I have been a major critic of Wenger for a good while now, but if he can finally get it right again and move on from the Project Youth / sod the defence years no one will be happier than me. I am sure other Gooner critics of Wenger would feel exactly the same, after all we are all Arsenal fans and obviously want the team to do well.

  74. Bard

    Oct 03, 2013, 8:12 #40115

    Simon a far summary of our season so far. Sorry you couldn't resist a dig at those on this site who have been critical of Wenger. In answer to your question I feel exactly the same way about Wenger now as I did at the start of the season. If we win something he should stay if not he should walk. A decade without winning anything is long enough. I am of the view that we are where we are more by luck than judgement but I really don't care. The first 20 mins against Napoli was as good as I have seen for many a year and long may it continue. I do think we will be undone by our failure to sign a striker and another centre back but if we get to the january window there or thereabouts and Wenger buys we might be in with a shout.

  75. Jack

    Oct 03, 2013, 7:31 #40114

    Fact of the day: In his last 34 league starts for Arsenal Flamini has been on the losing side ONCE. He is the captain without the armband

  76. Jason

    Oct 13, 2012, 17:45 #26889

    Good to read a report on the game which set the record straight.We were never really threatend after half time.Most other reports including some from their fans claim they were unlucky not to get a draw! Nice to see the return of the yellow '3rd' strip.But like you say,need to get maxium points from QPR & Norwich before the return to our theatre of nightmares from last season!

  77. TK

    Oct 09, 2012, 15:02 #26798

    it was actually last years third kit, making it in use for 3 years - arsenal have missed a quick buck on a third kit this year!!

  78. Rocky RIP

    Oct 08, 2012, 16:04 #26785

    GaryFootscray - I also agree. Yes, our defending scares me too, but do people realistically expect to go away to West Ham, play an Alladyce side containing Andy Carroll and not have a tough game? We were always going to get severely tested and almost came unstuck, but we won and several players were excellent and one was magnificent. No mention for Arteta in the report? He's such a big player for us this season. Also, people who had already written off Giroud need to get a grip.

  79. goonercolesyboy

    Oct 08, 2012, 14:07 #26781

    I completely disagrre with your comment about them not being like Bolton reincarnated; if you went then you would have seen it firsthand...Jussi in goal hoofs it up to Carroll or Nolan who flick it on to someone, then Taylor came on and did the exact same thing, except from a wider area..they will trouble a lot of teams as their "style" like Stoke is difficult to combat but the longer the game went on the more balls we won in the air, so that was comforting and the BFG actually jumped to win headers. Cazorla is a revelation and Dowd should have given the most blatant penalty I have ever seen with the trip on Ramsey when the score was still level. And I agree with Mitchell about the myopic views of fans on here who I guess don't travel and spend their time on here moaning for the sake of it...the atmosphere is just so much better away than at home.

  80. Ron

    Oct 08, 2012, 10:32 #26775

    Any win at the Hammers is a good win. Tough place to go and always is. The usual defensive lapses now arent worth debating any more. They wont go away and will cost us v the top teams. Cazorla the difference.Hammers will be OK though. Decent side. Cant stand the coach though!

  81. Mitchell

    Oct 08, 2012, 10:29 #26774

    Wow, I think these many of these comments show that none of you are away supporters! the atmosphere amongst the faithful was superb at the Hammers and there was little back biting or searching for negatives after the game, unlike on here! Some of you really are sorry excuses for "fans"

  82. bunch

    Oct 08, 2012, 7:51 #26767

    Yellow was actually two season's ago away kit. Last season was the Wycombe Wanderers knock-off.

  83. Dan h

    Oct 07, 2012, 20:18 #26766

    @GoonerRon spot on about Dowd the song 'your not fit to referee'could really have been invented for him.Struggles to keep up with the play he done us at Newcastle & yesterday blatant penalty turned down & they should have been down to 10.Forgot to say the pass Cazorla put through for Giroud at the end was eye of the needle stuff looks like he has ran our midfield for years & nice to see a player with a smile on his face 16m absolute steal in the modern market imo.

  84. HowardL

    Oct 07, 2012, 18:46 #26765

    I think you're being a bit hard on us Kev. Arsenal are fantasic to watch when they are in this mood and whilst there were a few defensive errors they were mostly nothing like the frequent heart-in-the-mouth situations all last season. This enthusiastic bunch need all the support we can give them. And since it's the Beatles' 50th Anniversary, all I have to say is "We can work it out!". Only time will tell if I am right or I am wrong.

  85. TheFonz

    Oct 07, 2012, 18:18 #26764

    @GaryFootscrayAustralia - Completely agree with you mate, its such a shame that so many on here almost sound dissapointed that we didnt lose! Luckily its the minority and they love to gather on this site!

  86. Greenwich Gooner

    Oct 07, 2012, 18:14 #26763

    At least we were in yellow. Chuck that purple rubbish in the recycling bin from whence it came.

  87. Smee

    Oct 07, 2012, 18:00 #26762

    Another season started. Doesn't seem a year ago everyone on here was saying Mertesaker was a waste of money and slower that Adams statue. Surprise, surprise, Mertesaker now seems the best thing since sliced bread. Perhaps it is Giroud who isnt going to be given chance to settle into playing in England and will be critisied on here until next season when he could be one of our best players. WHO DO WE PICK ON NEXT??

  88. OldHammer

    Oct 07, 2012, 17:23 #26761

    A good balanced report. Thanks for recognising that we are not early Bolton MkII. We have been playing well this season but we just froze for the first 20 minutes and let you dictate the play completely. I must admit that Arsenal scare me every time we play them at home. You attack as a team and have the confidence to all get back and defend as a team if the attack breaks down. I always think that we're going to get an embarrassing 0-6 defeat because you attack so well. We settled down once we had scored and it became quite an even game until half-time then we forgot our discipline and begun to play like a cup game. We had a few forward when an attack broke down and you broke and scored your second and effectively ended the game. We haven't got the players and manager that you have and we didn't get back like the Arsenal team would have. Still, It was nice to see us have a go for a change even though the outcome was the same. We know that it isn't going to be the ten games against the top five teams that will determine our fate. I'll be happy if we continue getting points from teams that will be in our 'league'. See you Boxing Day for the return.

  89. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Oct 07, 2012, 16:44 #26760

    I enjoy a good laugh reading the comments of those focusing on the negatives when the team wins. I wasn't aware that going to the Boleyn Ground means getting an easy result, accompanied by a flawless performance.

  90. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 07, 2012, 15:42 #26759

    It is worrying that errors and old habits have crept back in of late for what ever reason and there is still that nervousness where the keeper is concerned they have to be eradicated or they eventually will start costing us again. But class told in the end with a good result and some good displays mert had a good game with some well timed tackles and interceptions good to see he got over the flu.Giroud got his goal and could have had another with better finishing and if some of the opposition players hadn't been lucky enough to see his shot deflect of them.Theo got a goal if only he could do that every match will arsene bow to his wish/ultimatum and play him as a striker ? I agree we have to start picking up the points we're expected to if we're to achieve anything but we know what has happened in those situations before.Anyway it's always good to get one over the walrus and all his backroom staff and hitec gadgets didn't do him much good yesterday.Exellent summary ED.

  91. Gare Kekeke

    Oct 07, 2012, 12:32 #26758

    Good article. Credit to Wenger and the players for the win. For me having Mertesacker in defence brought much needed stability. He might the type of centre back Wenger doesn’t like but he’s the type of centre back every good team needs. So what if he’s slow and lacks technical ability, as long as he reads the game well and has a natural instinct to defend then that’s fine with me. Wenger’s better defenders (i.e. Adams, Keown, and Campbell) were proper defenders, nothing else. It seems as if the old bad defensive habits have crept back into our game recently which is worrying. We may get away with it against mid table teams but as we found out against top teams like Chelsea, that won’t be the case. Good to see Giroud scoring. He deserves time to adapt. After all, Liverpool’s greatest goal scorer Ian Rush couldn’t hit the preverbal cow’s backside with a banjo in his first year and look how he turned out. Wenger deserves praise and criticism in equal measures. As a Wenger critic, I’ll state that one thing he doesn’t deserve is the sickening songs he gets from some opposing fans. So I hope those West Ham fans who called him a ‘French Jimmy Saville’ rot in hell along with those from Tottenham, Man Utd & Chelsea. Lastly, Bolton’s Marvin Sordell has claimed that he and his black team mates were racially abused by Millwall fans. If this is proven, then I hope severe action is taken. I say this as a black man who is half Nigerian and also because one of the Bolton players alleged to have been abuse is our own Benik Afobe. But then I live very near The Den so I’m not surprised. Sorry to end this on a sad note but I just had to bring these matters into public attention. If you’re Norwich bound like me soon, I’ll see you there. Up The Arsenal!

  92. Gooner Paul

    Oct 07, 2012, 12:29 #26757

    On paper it looks an easy win but it was nothing of the sort.Until we broke their hearts with the 2nd goal it was a tight game which could have gone either way.Even with Per Mert back in the side the defence struggled.We wont get away with the chances we gave Nolan against better opposition.If Wenger doesnt bring in an experienced keeper this january he really has lost the plot.Szczesny is not good enough yet Manonne just isnt good.

  93. Rob

    Oct 07, 2012, 12:01 #26756

    That's a difficult place to get three points so all credit the win. Positives - Goroud's goal, Walcott's best for a long time, Cazorla's all round show, ditto Arteta, Per's commitment and Ramsey's. Negatives - Couldn't handle Carol, any dead ball into our box leaves you clutching the upholstery, Ramsey's distribution is just not good enough, Vito coming for a cross and Gervinho's lack of end product. Still fingers crossed, we don't get the usual plethora of injuries in the Interlull.

  94. gaya

    Oct 07, 2012, 11:55 #26755

    with regards to the defensive part of our game, you say zonal marking doesnt work. Like John Barnes said on ESPN goals like from set piece are also scored against man marking. Do you also think it would take one training session for our defense to be solid? i think it would take months

  95. Martin

    Oct 07, 2012, 11:36 #26754

    Good win but not a great win which a lot of gooners are saying it was.West Ham created too many chances for that.Nolan could have scored 3.The defence looked dodgy at times not helped by Mannone he got away with Carroll beating him in the air and as LeGrove said for their goal he was going down while the ball was going into the roof of the net.Cazorla was brilliant.Forehead was back to his old form he really is hit and miss while it was good to see Lee Chapman scoring at last.I am not joining the Walcott love in.Yes he scored a goal but this bollox that it now means he should start games and as a striker are way off the mark.Walcott is an impact sub no more

  96. Dan h

    Oct 07, 2012, 11:23 #26753

    Pretty fair assessment for me vital points three very good goals but some real heart in mouth moments especially when Carroll headed wide he won pretty much everything in both boxes.Hopefully Giroud will relax now infront of goal burden lifted.Cazorla scored a beauty last season of his 9 goals for Malaga 6 were from outside the box something we have needed for a while special talent.Sagna is nearing fitness but he should be made to fight his way back into the side Jenkinson has really stepped up so far.Finally Wilshire is on track to return for the Reading game in the cup will be a welcome sight.Midfield of Arteta,JW & Cazorla will be very competitive against any opponents.The only negative again zonal marking 12 points so far decent start.

  97. Glitch33

    Oct 07, 2012, 11:14 #26752

    I agree with all you have said Kevin. I thought the performance demonstrated that Giroud needs to be in the starting XI. Defence still needs some work but seems stronger with Mertesacker in it. Hopefully Chesney will return to form and give us more confidence at the back.

  98. GoonerRon

    Oct 07, 2012, 11:11 #26751

    I thought on the whole it was a very accomplished away performance, full of (when required) poise in the ball, fight and energy. Carroll is virtually unplayable in the air so I was pleased to see (although not surprised by its ommission from the editorial) that we worked incredibly hard to sweep up the second balls, which we did very effectively for the most part. Also, a quick comment for Phil Dowd - **** YOU - you did you best to help West Ham win it (like Newcastle during the 4-4) but even you couldn't stop us.

  99. Camgooner

    Oct 07, 2012, 11:07 #26750

    Good article: the defence does look better than last season but can't quite keep focus for 90 minutes week in, week out. Noticeable that the defence improved at half time in the week when Bouldy gave the team talk, but didn't seem to at Upton Park. Of course that could be down to opponents too...