Supply, demand, price

Are Arsenal moving towards the scalpers’ model



Supply, demand, price

The Stones – An inspiration to Stan Kroenke’s executives?


I was in the supermarket yesterday evening and indulged myself by browsing at the magazine section. There, on the front of the NME, I noticed the news that the Rolling Stones have announced some live dates. Investigating further, there are two shows at the O2 arena next month, although there were no details of prices.

Once home, I took a look online to investigate. At present, they are not available to the general public, unless you want to buy a box set vinyl triple album with your ticket for something like £600 odd all in. Ouch. Oh and American Express cardholders can pre-book. No idea if this extends to O2 phone contract holders as is often the case at shows at this venue. Anyway, I don’t care. Looking at the ticket prices (without the vinyl box set), the cheapest is over £100 and the closer you get to the stage, the closer it creeps up to the four figure mark.

I was interested to see some feedback to the prices on one of the official ticketing sites. Anyway I digress, because the point is, with the decision to re-band the prices of tickets in the stadium, Arsenal are heading this way. Ivan Gazidis makes a great play of the idea that the new price structure was reached after extensive consultation with supporters groups last season – including AISA and the Arsenal Supporters’ Trust. However, while the introduction of Grade C matches with cheaper pricing certainly came out of pressure from those that the club spoke with, the rise in prices for Grade A games did not. So there’s a half truth in Gazidis’ words, but his statement is somewhat selective to say the least. The man is wasted as a CEO of a football club, as the snakepit of politics is surely his natural home.

The club are well aware that the vast majority of their glamour games will sell out (last season’s Grade A matches were Spurs, Man Utd, Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Milan) and are resistant to price increases. So I can see these rising as long as they continue to sell out, as indeed Rolling Stones ticket prices have over the years. The Grade C prices – lower than have ever been charged at the new stadium - are a sop to the voices of protest, although it just so happens that these are the matches the club struggle to sell out. So prices are adjusted according to supply and demands, as they are by ticket touts.

Ultimately, making money – and increasing the club’s cash reserves for reasons unknown, appear to be the dominant ethos at Arsenal these days (as opposed to concentrating mainly on sporting success while keeping an eye on the bank balance to ensure unmanageable debt is avoided), with an economist as a football manager and a disinterested (in the sport) owner who attends a game or two each season as the most influential policy makers. The likes of Ivan Gazidis are ultimately doing their bidding, but please don’t insult our intelligence by telling us that the most expensive tickets in English football (up to £123.50 for a Grade A game in the ordinary seats) are a consequence of consultation with the fan groups.


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  1. Optimistic Gooner?

    Oct 23, 2012, 23:42 #27093

    I hear fans complain about the lack of money Arsenal spend on individuals. I hear fans complain about the amount of money Arsenal spend on individuals. The way the club is run is keeping Arsenal Afloat. We don't have a multi-billionaire backing us like the big spending clubs. We have to rely on our own resources and invest them well when we can. An example of this is Carzola, our big signing for the season, costing us a lot less then the big signins of our top 4 counterparts. Currently out performing most of the signings who cost a lot more, while still keeping us relatively in line budget wise. The current financial state of the world, this is the only way to run a football club unless you have the backing of a money tree as some other clubs do. I do not feel momentary success is a reason the backrupt a club.

  2. Gooner age

    Oct 21, 2012, 14:16 #26997

    Supply and demand. The prices for C games would have had to be lowered anyway because they were not selling. Creating cat A tickets to off-set any loss was not needed and could have been achieved by just remodelling 'cat c' prices. Unfotunaty we've created a structure where many of us will be priced out of seeing the 'cat A teams' . The evils of this will come to light when we're top of the league again. I predict that the difference between cat A and B will be much bigger than the gap between B and C, because we'll sell out every game whatever they do. Arsenal are again taking advantage of the fans

  3. fozzy's mate

    Oct 20, 2012, 23:46 #26952

    I'll say it again for the umpteenth time. 153 million in the bank and a ceo and chairman who say we must be more prudent. The highest ticket prices in the world bar none. 8 games in and who have we beaten, 2 promoted sides and a shambolic scouse shower. We can't beat Stoke, Sunderland or Norwich. How long can this farce go on, with keepers like Manone, Almunia, Fabianski? Look at City, Joe Hart makes a blinding save in injury time and they go up the other end and win it. The hapless, clueless OGL flapping on the side line. A real sorry tale in every way other than the bank balance and share price.

  4. Mad Max

    Oct 20, 2012, 21:46 #26948

    how much longer is anybody who really cares about our once great club prepared to tolerate performances like todays shambles at norwich,the time is long overdue for a new regime including the hopeless arsene wenger,new owner desperately required.extortionate ticket prices,un motivated team performances,its becoming oh so predictable and embarrasing.after watching chelsea rip the spuds apart earlier today,it dawned on me how far we have fallen.shocking leadership all round.selling our best players every season,it all seems so hopeless and pointless.there,s too many average foreigners no fight no spirit that,s not the arsenal way,all the while the tourists and johnny come lately,s keep filling the souless bowl nothing will change.only real protest will oust this blood sucking regime,oh for radford and kennedy.

  5. lee afc

    Oct 19, 2012, 20:44 #26947

    Go on ....hand in your season ticket and see how long it takes for you to get it back. Arsenal FC are supply and demand. A hundred odd thousand red members says all it says. If you cant go to the game then someone will take your place. Unfortunately, we are a sleeping giant that everyone wants to see. Do you stick with it or bail out???? thats the big question. I love this club but digging deep week in week out, year in year out is proving more difficult

  6. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 19, 2012, 17:19 #26946

    Fozzy,s mate, Ron, spot on.It would come as no surprise if it had already been discussed who was being sold next season unfortunately their going to have to wait to see who shines and becomes the biggest asset Cazorla ? Wilshere ? just don,t let your kids get their names on their shirts.

  7. Stevesam

    Oct 19, 2012, 17:11 #26945

    The most expensive day out in World Football ? When you factor in travel costs it is no surprise that the working man's game is now a plaything for the Rich & Famous. I am sure AW & Silent Stan are proud of this trophy !

  8. Ron

    Oct 19, 2012, 15:02 #26944

    fozzys mate - youre right. Its all 'smoke and mirrors'as you say. Youre also right to say that these player sales have all been pre planned, sometimes well in advance. I often think the player is in on the whole thing too, being instructed and agreeing to say things to the media when theyre told to so to deflect the ire of the fans from the Club. These deals are wrapped up between Club owners a long time before the fans get to know.To think otheriwse would be naive. Next one out? Wilshere - likely to United or if not Cazorla - likely to Barca.The Club would get a bit of respect back if they just admitted they have to sell to survive like the smaller Clubs do. Theres no shame in it.Arsenal now, in the greater euro scheme of things are a comparitively small Club. PS In the modern game Wenger wouldnt last 6 months at places like Madrid and he knows it. Hes seeing out stagnant time at Arsenal now and the Board love it, while 4th spot keeps rolling around.Fall from that and they would be forced to change things. It has to be accpeted that with the players hes had, regular CL football is some achievment from the bean counters viewpoint. Its what modern football is now. Theres no romance in it anymore.

  9. El Bodgeo

    Oct 19, 2012, 13:17 #26943

    'Ultimately, making money – and increasing the club’s cash reserves for reasons unknown, appear to be the dominant ethos at Arsenal these days..' Oh come mate, wise up. Our club has been sold to a businessman, a money-maker, not a supporter or even a fan. He wants to make money which is why he shelled out for AFC in the first place. He loves Wenger because he 'extracts value for the market' as he said himself. Why are you struggling with this concept. This is how it is now. It aint going to change for a long long time. If we stumble accross a cup or two along the way to keep us lot happy, thats fine but it is not the owner's priority. He loves money, not Arsenal. We love Arsenal, that why we cough up. When it hits £200 a seat, we will still stump up, which is why he wont be selling for years to come. I cant afford the Stones gig either but I guarantee it will be sold out & full. So will AFC v any Grade A, even at £200, £250 and rising. He's not a mug. That's why he's rich.

  10. fozzy's mate

    Oct 19, 2012, 12:57 #26942

    Frank - the club deals in smoke and mirrors. Every announcement is full of spin. Despite our recent announcement of having £153 million in the bank, Mr Self Sustainable says if we want to sign a player we have got to get another one out. Meanwhile the Old Etonian fart/fool/imbecile said pressure is placed upon us to be more prudent. Now when it is revealed that in general our ticket prices dwarf all others, further dorss is spewed by MSS. Suddenly reports appear that we have £35 million to spend in January but OGL may not use it. The accountancy firm will charge as much as it can full stop. Many season ticket holders around me regularly sell on ticket exchange and are replaced by far eastern tourists. They pay full price while the season ticket holders get back a reduced rate off next years ticket, so more revenue and cash flow to trouser. Many on this site have disputed the existence of the ever growing cash mountain. Arsenal is a quoted company so the figures have to be correct. OGL is quite happy with this arrangement as there is nil pressure on him to deliver anything to his bosses other than the annual profit in the transfer market and 4th place trophy. Given the evidence in fornt of our eyes does anyone actually believe the board did not want to sell, Fabregas, RVP, Song? all the wailing and gnashing of teeth is window dressing. OGL at Real Madrid? The white hankies would be out after 3 months when he tried to replace Ronaldo with Bentdner. This regime is doing a graet job in financial terms and MSS says the measure of financial efficiency is results against transfer spend. But what is the point of the cash everest if it is never invested in the team?

  11. jjetplane

    Oct 19, 2012, 12:30 #26941

    Saw hundreds of games at Highbury between 60s to 2000s and never felt any immorality in the experience. But on the question of the Emirates I have never been as I like many others have been priced out of the game. I think morals now play a great part and as much as I have loved Arsenal all my life, if I came into the funds now I would still not go. That is the truth for a lot of real fans. Supporting Arsenal is becoming as ugly as being a scheming tory ......

  12. Ron

    Oct 19, 2012, 11:13 #26940

    The Clubs have too high a wage/income ratio, hence the fans pay through the nose to meet the cost of less than average players in many cases. The choices are easy. Do you want to pay exorbitant prices to see the Chamacks, Ramseys, Mannone's and Frimpongs et al of this World or not. If not, dont go. Its a case of accepting the rip off even though you might enjoy it or not. The Club doesnt care. If you dont want it, theres always another mug who does (for a while anyway). Clubs will carry on bleeding the fan dry until the next mug fails to step up to take the place of the previous one. End of. Arsenal are on the crest of a wave since moving to the soulless bowl. A massive amount of those who were once the hard core support have given it up and the new breed have stepped up to fill the void. The new breed have a lesser bonding with the Club than the old had and dont really look for it. Many know their 'support' will only be short term. As Arsenal say, they are now 'customers'.As a result, fan 'culture' is totally different nowadays hence the dead atmospheres at all of the stadia. Footballs dying slowly as the primary spectator sport. TV ever losing interest will kill it stone dead. Roll on the death of SKY and then we ll see these rotten Clubs come grovelling back to what true fans are left (if there are any by then).

  13. Ministry of Information

    Oct 19, 2012, 7:26 #26938

    Your tickets are not expensive, you have simply been allocated an adjusted and justified loyalty tax. Criticism is treason. Fourth is First!

  14. Website Editor

    Oct 19, 2012, 1:35 #26937

    CB - email me your post again - this is an article submitted to the gooner? frankly, i am confused. once i know what is is you are talking about, i should be able to give you an answer. we love positive pieces so can't understand why i would not have run it

  15. Mandy Dodd

    Oct 19, 2012, 0:21 #26936

    Unfortunately, it is supply and demand. And playes demand more and more wages,,whether all are worth the as we know is not always a matter of debate. Man city have their cheap season tickets , and we all know why, like Chelsea and now, even QPR they could not exist in their current form without a rich guy holding their hand. Like it or not, arsenal have gone a different way, yes it can be expensive for the fans, but that is the price we pay for an existence not relying on the next oligarch, sovereign wealth fund, money launderer, or sugar daddy. I am not sure about stan, but his track record is not taking money out of a club, or LBOs, nor is he clearly just after the fast buck, he could already have had that. I can see the anger at prices, but I can also see what the club are trying to do and what they are up against. Out prices are very expensive, of course fans have the right to indulge ....or not.but not an easy choice for many for a variety of reasons.

  16. Website Admin

    Oct 18, 2012, 21:48 #26935

    @CB... Typically we only publish one article a day, so it might be that the editor has just held yours back until tomorrow or has just not had the time to put it online yet.

  17. James the thirst

    Oct 18, 2012, 21:27 #26934

    Highest ticket prices in the world to watch a fourth place team.Only mugs would pay that.Take a bow Arsenal fans.If Gazidis and Wenger sold hair-restorer outside the Emer****es fans would buy it from them.Time for a change of kit methinks

  18. Liam Stone

    Oct 18, 2012, 19:34 #26933

    And to make matters worse I've just been reading on your forum (which incidentally is a lot better than it used to be) that someone had asked the club if he could upgrade the two tickets he has for his kids to adult tickets for the game against Schalke as his kids obviously can't attend and the club have said no. In other words, they'd rather have two empty seats than two adults in them paying them a little bit more money. You couldn't make it up!

  19. JEFF WRIGHT

    Oct 18, 2012, 19:31 #26932

    The hoarding of cash is related to ensuring that Stan's shares that he borrowed money to buy keep their value. Making a profit on his investment in the long-run is the main objective for our current major shareholder - he's trying to what Danny Fiszman did and has the same manager to help him do so .If it will all work out is another matter altogether because things have changed since Dan's days.

  20. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 18, 2012, 18:19 #26931

    Tickets for the C games are cheaper alright general sale is not a nice term and nothing as bad looking as empty seats.Your right Frank politics surely beckons for the biggest spin doctor in europe it's obvious why he was employed in the first place nothing else.

  21. CB

    Oct 18, 2012, 18:10 #26930

    Interesting that my post which politely pointed out some strong arguments contrary to this article has not been put up. It wasn't rude, unpleasant or anything. I'm disappointed that you aren't prepared to allow any balance on this site.

  22. billthered

    Oct 18, 2012, 16:36 #26929

    I dont know if any of you are aware but AW interviewed Ivan the terrible for his job at the grove,I dont know of any employee inerviewing their boss for his position in any company and this cannot be right.We all know what AW has a degree in dont we.Anyway when we sell out grade A games and not B and C it looks like the deficit is made up and probably a bit more than when we cant sell the bottom end of the market.

  23. Ron

    Oct 18, 2012, 16:02 #26927

    The big difference is that The Stones are genuinely World class in dictating their prices, whereas Arsenal are nowhere near!