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Arsene Wenger rarely has the humility to admit he has made a wrong decision, but the dropping of Andre Santos finally came before the game against Schalke last night. He would argue that Theo Walcott only started on the right side of the attack in place of Aaron Ramsey because of injury, and you know, were Ramsey fit, I believe he probably would have started the Welshman. Such is the stubbornness of the man.

Still, events conspired to improve Arsenal’s line-up with an attendant improvement in performance. That probably isn’t saying a lot after Old Trafford, but let’s be grateful for small mercies. The game against Schalke could have gone either way, but the point gained means that – if the German side were to beat Olympiacos when they entertain the Greeks in two weeks and Arsenal beat Montpellier at home – then qualification for the last 16 is assured. That at least prolongs the Gunners’ interest in the competition, although the defending last night did not raise hopes that they will progress too far unless there is dramatic improvement.

The first half was a mixed affair, with the home side initially dominating, but then Arsenal received a lucky break which allowed them to take the lead. Theo Walcott made good of Olivier Giroud’s failed one on one opportunity and the game turned. Key to Arsenal’s taking charge was the removal through injury of the Schalke right back Uchida. Jack Wilshere – on only his third game back – added drive and steel to the midfield, being prepared to take opponents on sometimes. There was more cut and thrust, something we had not seen a great deal of lately from Wenger’s team. Giroud’s well taken header doubled the lead, but it was a wet night in the west of Germany, and the visitors seemed to have the wrong studs on. Cazorla’s slip allowed an opportunity for Huntelaar to show what a lethal finisher he can be, and psychologically, it meant Schalke could start the second half in a far better frame of mind.

This slipping over thing happens a little too often with Arsenal. Perhaps it is an argument for actually training on the pitch they will be playing on the evening before, as most teams in European competition do. Instead, on Monday they would have done a training session at London Colney, flew out to Germany in the afternoon and relaxed in the evening. The idea is that every game is the same and the preparation for the game is exactly the same – no distraction, just complete focus. But, guess what? Every game isn’t the same. Every match, every opponent, every stadium has different facets, some of which can be anticipated with appropriate preparation – such as half an hour training on said pitch the night before the game. Rocket science it ain’t. I bet you that come the long awaited day when Arsene Wenger is no longer the manager, this practice of not taking the opportunity to try out the opposition’s surface will go straight out the window. Wenger has only been persuaded to go on pre-season tours because of the commercial benefits, after living in the dark ages on that one for over a decade.

As Jack Wilshere tired, so Schalke upped the pressure in the second half, and the equalizer came in the end. Arsenal defenders were too close to each other and not close enough to the goalscorer for both goals. Mannone had a decent game for a change, but the Gunners, at 2-0 up, were not able to take the pace out of this tie and control things. It’s a key aspect of success in Europe and one that has rarely been mastered. Even in the 2006 run to the final, there were times when the team was on the rack, but a more organized defence held firm. It’s a reason why, tactically, Wenger has always looked a little naïve in this competition. It was interesting to hear Glenn Hoddle talk about the lack of preparation for specific opposition when he played under Wenger at Monaco. Little has changed. Arsenal play their way, and let the opposition do what they will. And given that kind of invitation, they often will.

It was obvious how brittle the confidence of the current side is. The first goal seemed to transform them, and then Schalke’s late first half opener had the opposite effect. At Old Trafford on Saturday, United’s early strike suggested it was already game over, even though there were over 85 minutes left on the clock. A serious lack of leadership on the pitch is a huge factor in this. There aren’t really any strong characters with the exception of Wilshere, who at his age, should really be concentrating on his own game rather than having to cajole more senior players.

Despite playing poorly in recent weeks, Wenger’s team are in a good position in Europe and – assuming 4th place is the limit of their ambition – contenders in the Premier League. That’s Arsenal these days, doing just enough. And to anyone who swallows Ivan Gazidis’ words about overachieving under Wenger, they should read this.

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  1. Wengerballs

    Mar 30, 2014, 5:58 #48617

    blah blah blah....we'll win the F.A. Cup, get our fourth placed 'trophy, Kroenke will laud Wenger has having had a successful season, Wenger will sign his contract, and all will be rosey in Wenger's garden.

  2. anti wenger

    Mar 29, 2014, 14:39 #48607

    If muo had this arsenal squad, he'll still top the league. The one who has no mental strength is Wenger not the players. Players ve changed since 2004 but yet the mental fragility remains. This is because it's the same manager.

  3. Clockendpaul

    Mar 28, 2014, 13:46 #48560

    Simon you are one of the fans that have helped to make this club a laughing stock, totally lacking in ambition and an acceptance of what's happened over the last 9 years or so. You and your like deserve everything that's coming.

  4. Moi

    Mar 28, 2014, 1:01 #48525

    I doubt if we can win the FA Cup even with lower grade opposition in those who remain. This current Arsenal squad has too many good players but not enough GREAT players and after all this time I think Wenger has finally run out of Get Out Of Jail cards. I don't think he has the capacity to be able to manage a club with the lofty ambitions that arsenal with our stadium and finance can now provide. He is a dinosaur with predictable tactics that a half quality team can beat. Arsenal will never be the team they deserve to be whilst Wenger remains manager. He has too much power, the squad does not have enough quality and strength in depth, he concerns himself far to much about the financial side of the club rather than the footballing side. The majority shareholder Stan Kroenke is no good as help nor ornament and quite frankly the one shareholder who understands the modern game and the need to finance world class players is in has no position on the board to be able to do a damn thing. They have given Wenger carte blanche and that has proven a disaster no matter how much success we had with Wenger in the early years, putting aside three to four after building the new stadium, the club has been in the black for years now. You have to question the sanity of a manager who during the January transfer window signs on loan a player with a broken back! who only now is able to be chosen for selection if so required. Arsenal FC need a new manager we need a new backroom staff and a clearing out of the dead wood at the club and to buy key world class players.. striker, defender, midfielder and a goalkeeper... and for crying out loud get rid of Bendtner his is an embarrassment to the club and supporters and he is not the only white elephant they couldn't give away let-alone sell... what does that tell you about Wengers transfer decisions.. he is out of time, without a clue, heading nowhere but hopefully the exit door. I for one don't want him to sign that new contract.. he earns too much money and that is a fact.

  5. Van de Ed

    Mar 27, 2014, 23:04 #48513

    @RedMember - Martinez has no experience at the very top level fighting for major titles. And I think we can't afford another barren spell while he 'cuts his teeth' at the very top level. He could be our 'Moyes'!

  6. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 27, 2014, 22:43 #48506

    GoonerGoal, yes, fair play to you you've never gave up, even when some where trying to put you down, now even they can't argue anymore and see it's just around the corner with more coming on board everyday.

  7. Red Member

    Mar 27, 2014, 22:25 #48504

    We need to get Martinez NOW before United do

  8. GoonerGoal!

    Mar 27, 2014, 21:23 #48493

    You will know I have been preaching it for more than four years, but the Revolution I have been predicting all along is finally coming! It has been a distant thunder rumbling through the air, but it has been a rumble of a constantly increasing number of people refusing to act as cogs in the Wenger/Gazidis/Kroenke machine. Now that rumbling is beginning to truly turn into thunder, the lightning is preparing to ignite, and even as we watch, the cabal’s machinery is breaking down and releasing people who up until now have been happy to act as their simple cogs. Finally it seems, the vast majority of fans are furious, but we must ensure we ride the wings of that fury until the first and most strategic part of the Revolution is completed. Only then can we start thinking about achieving our ultimate goal! WENGER/GAZIDIS/KROENKE OUT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  9. Ramgun

    Mar 27, 2014, 20:46 #48492

    An article from a man who has been wrong for years telling us that he is always right.

  10. Ron

    Mar 27, 2014, 20:39 #48491

    billthered - Very true. The atmosphere and the size of the challenge that night in 89 at Anfield would have seen this flaky lot off.Not only that, but Liverpool wdt have hedged their bets like they did, they would have just gone out and hammered this bunch of bottlers in a 20 min dash like they did to most teams that season. GG and his players commanded respect though. They were big guys, in character and physique, would fight and scrap and run till their feet bled and we also had players who could hurt a team too. Liverpool knew it and didn't want to take risks. I stick by my view and ive had the same view for all Wengers years that GG was a better Coach and certainly a better handler of men. Its arguable i know, but not for me. Never.

  11. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 27, 2014, 20:16 #48490

    billthered, good post how about taking wenger out now and putting Georgie boy back in even for the remainder of the season? i bet this current shower wouldn't know what hit when Gorgeous strolled in and got them on the training ground,i bet his old opo bouldy would have some smile on his face. And it could very well guarantee us the FA cup. Stevieo good one.

  12. Mike Walsh

    Mar 27, 2014, 19:57 #48489

    In an earlier comment Jim mentioned how much "he gets upset when people don't get their facts right" just wanted to tell him that "Fever Pitch" was written by Nick Hornby not Hornsby.

  13. Van de Ed

    Mar 27, 2014, 19:48 #48488

    He needs to win the FA Cup to guarantee himself a dignified exit this summer. As for replacements, Klopp or Diego Simeone are ideal candidates as they're young & very hungry for success. Martinez has no experience fighting for titles both domestically & in Europe; so he could turn out to be our 'Moyes' The aforementioned gaffers are ruthless, no-nonsense types who'll immediately shake off the apathy at the Emirates. Plus, they'll do it for half the money Wenger's on!! Heard it here first....

  14. Kenny

    Mar 27, 2014, 19:45 #48487

    Simon you could have written this article back in 2009.But no you were Wengers biggest supporter on here telling us to be patient everything will be ok.Even your articles at the start of the season had a smug "i told you Wenger would get it right".When any Gooner could see it was all going to fall in around us.The reason?Wenger A naive tactically clueless and stubborn manager.The question about whether Wenger should leave shouldnt even be up for discussion.At any other top club in Europe he would have been fired after 2 years without a trophy.Remember Chelsea was an accident according to Wenger.Yeah an accident waiting to happen.Wengers last 4 signings 3 were free transfers when we are in the top 5 richest clubs in the world.Its taken Mourinho and Scholes to say what our own fans wont say when they can see it with their own eyes.It was fiiting that his 1,000th game will always be remembered as the worst ever performance under him

  15. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 27, 2014, 19:23 #48486

    I forgot to add i seem to remember when Gary was leaving it was announced his cousin i think he is, was taking over and he was a top physio and we welcome him to the club bla bla much the same was said of the doctor that arrived from the Irish Rugby team. I'm not for one minute saying their not, or saying their to blame for the injury crisis or it's their fault in any way but where, and how many times have we heard that statement before.

  16. billthered

    Mar 27, 2014, 19:01 #48485

    Lets go back to about 2000 and Anelka announced that he wanted to leave for Real Madrid and OGL tried to make him stay. Then we get a cheque for 23 million or so and buy Henry for 10 or so. Was that the moment that Arsene thought he could buy a cheaper model and turn him into an Henry. We all know that was a one off as Henry turned into perhaps our greatest ever player. And to be fair to him he has bought some players and sold them for a profit but no one has improved the team like Henry. As I'm looking at times gone by let's take us back to 1989 and take Georgie boy out and put Wenger in charge do you think he would have played five at the back and kept it tight for the first half. No me neither I think we would have got beat four or five and history re written. Also I do wonder if OGL is thinking of winning the cup and foregoing fourth place and then walking away saying there you are a trophy but no champions league makes you think doesn't it.

  17. Stevieo

    Mar 27, 2014, 18:44 #48484

    Simon, why don’t you answer or give an opinion to some of the 200 questions you posed in that long winded sermon. In fact, the only offering you made in all that prattle, goes totally against the AKB mantra by actually suggesting a manager you would be happy with! Why don’t you tell us where does Wenger need to finish this season to prove he can still cut it? As things stand right now, do you still want Wenger? This season has been no different to the last five. So it begs the question why are you all of a sudden asking all of these questions when you’ve been more than happy for Wenger to carry on. The same transfer failings, the same capitulations and humiliations. The same clueless tactics and set up. You even admit we have been limited by our own ambition, so why would it bother you now? We’ve always had money to spend, but we don’t use it. Nothing to do with stadium debt or the oilmen. You’ve preached what an achievement finishing fourth has been. For such an achievement, I find it hard to believe why your support for Wenger seems to be waning? I clearly understand how defending Wenger is nigh on impossible when the debate is based on football facts. This article shows that, and it just sits on the fence. If you do want to remain pro Wenger but without anything reasonable to back your viewpoint, for your next article, just throw in a few random bookies odds and some quotes from Chaucer. This is the latest defence strategy used at AKB HQ, and you need to get up to speed.

  18. johnnyhawleylovinggooner

    Mar 27, 2014, 18:42 #48483

    I'm am sorry people,but there were times when we were really brutal and ugly to watch,we were a dead ball team we lumped the ball up to weighty because we had had an awful midfield. As either the gooner or 2-1 up said it at the time,where would we be with out him? Look through your old copies we were all saying it ,just as now we are to tippy tappy.with no top line forward and are brittle with confidence.yes there was a period when football was almost unwatchable and all teams played a long ball.however we had a poor style before Rich and then AW came.we coped by singing 1 nil to the arsenal and I loved it but it was hard to watch

  19. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 27, 2014, 18:25 #48482

    Ron, chris dee, said something similar myself way back is there a connection, and was there a reason Lewin bailed out? just like the players who went on to bigger and better things, could he see what was happening or what was coming? and it wasn't to his liking and didn't want a part of it.

  20. KC

    Mar 27, 2014, 18:21 #48481

    Don't we just want to move on, the real question is why has Wenger changed from in my opinion giving us the best team and moments in my lifetime supporting mid 70s onwards with power and pace to the style he now seems obsessed with and what does not work against top quality. Graham's teams were great early on but hey it went crap with Morrow, Jenson, Selley, McGoldrick, Carter etc. My hope is that we attract a manager that has a entertaining DNA but also understands flexibility and the importance that any great team must have a base to play from.

  21. KC

    Mar 27, 2014, 18:08 #48480

    @Gaz - Take the point but anyone with real football understanding can see through the vast majority of the comments. There is no explanation of why Wenger should stay just blind faith and devotion. What gets me me is there accusation that your not a proper supporter if you dare disagree with them. It's like a cult anyone even Wenger supporters of which I was one up to a couple of years ago would have to at least question him - But no not them......

  22. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 27, 2014, 17:24 #48479

    Your only realising now that mental strength is a figment of the GDL's imagination? that has been plane to see seasons ago. You can't convince players they have something they haven't and never will have. The GDL's greatest trick was convincing us he was a good manager. Regardless where he finishes with or without the FA cup his time is up.

  23. Martyn

    Mar 27, 2014, 17:08 #48478

    Well said Jim. I went to most of the home games under Graham and we usually thrashed teams . 5:2 against Sheffield Utd, 4:2 against Everton, 7:1 against Sheffield Wednesday, 4:0 against Liverpool, 5:1 against Southampton, all in 1991-2 season.......I could go on. Great times. On the subject of injuries, I see Ramsey today is described as weeks away after several quotes from Wenger long ago saying he was two weeks away. What to believe? These prolonged and sustained injuries have seriously damaged our season. I'm not saying we would have won the league but taking it into the last few matches was a realistic chance. The manager must take full responsibility for not adding to the squad. On a cheerier note, I was encouraged by Kalstrom's brief appearance on Tuesday. He seemed robust and ready to make some impact. Too little, too late but I hope he starts on Saturday along with Podolski. City aren't great defensively. Let's give them something different to think about.

  24. jjetplane

    Mar 27, 2014, 16:58 #48477

    Fever pitch was OK as a book but it was something written by an outsider. A nice middle class boy who found his football home during the more effective chapter of the Wenger years. That goes for a lot of the educated types who bought into the erudite Frenchman and his 'football of possibility'. All works pretty well when you have world cup titans pulling the strings on the pitch. Kinda sums Hornby up when he talks of having his scarf nicked. He is as far away from the lad that nicked it as he is from the rough and tumble of football being played on muddy pitches. I guess as was the case of George Orwell, the smells got right up his nose. I imagine there are no smells at the Emirates and a fart might be enough to get you thrown out. I guess as he was buying his very expensive house in Highbury so Wenger was having his mansion in the suburbs. Far cry from running a reputable house on the Cally road.

  25. Ron

    Mar 27, 2014, 16:41 #48476

    Chris Dee - Theres a link perhaps with Gary Lewin going and the present medical shambles? Maybe he knew some thing about what goes on there to make him haul out of the place?Dont write off the possibilty though that some players choose to stay 'injured' for a while longer when things have gone a bollock on the pitch like they have at Arsenal. Not accusing Ramsey and he doesnt seem the type who would, but its well known it happens.

  26. Ron

    Mar 27, 2014, 16:06 #48475

    I know mate. Isnt it a load of bollocks. Some of the dumbo s shd learn a bit of football history.Our 60s team up until we tightened it all up at the back in 68ish was a great attacking siade wasnt it. The poor old forwards just cdt score enough to keep up with Laurie Brown, Billy Mac and Co letting em in at the other end.

  27. Jim

    Mar 27, 2014, 16:00 #48474

    Ron,In the book Fever Pitch Nick Hornsby criticises Arsenal for being boring in the 60's which is ridiculous as Arsenal were very entertaining in the 60's yet had a poor defence. He finishes his book by labelling Arsenal boring in 1992 the year they were the leading goal scorers in the league and George Graham's most entertaining team. I hate it when people don't get their facts correct.

  28. chris dee

    Mar 27, 2014, 15:56 #48473

    Forgot to add that when Arsene walks he should take the whole f*****g medical staff with him. Latest from Arsene 'Ramsey is progressing well,we have to be patient for a few weeks'. There we have it,what we were told would be a few weeks is now turning into 2 months.

  29. WENGER OUT

    Mar 27, 2014, 15:18 #48472

    Some unfortunate person is impersonating me - I can make myself sound daft enough without your help thanks. Cheers Johnny Lynch, let's hope that day is soon.

  30. frankytheswede

    Mar 27, 2014, 15:10 #48471

    I feel tired after reading that lol good article simon but Ive heard it all before buddy. In fact I think we all have, blah blah blah blah blah supporting youre club shouldnt feel this bad should it. I knew we would lose to chelsea but by 6 wow god knows what city will do to us lol give us a fa cup arsenal we bloody deserve it cling on to top 4 and than lets see what happens in the summer ok guys be well all I feel youre pain. whats that bill murray film where he is a weatherman

  31. Ron

    Mar 27, 2014, 15:08 #48470

    Jim - Thank you. Saved me saying it! Does anyone mention boring Leeds, boring Liverpool, boring Everton, boring Villa or boring United amongst others, all who have had great sides but bored the pants of eerybody at important parts of their illustrious respective historys? No, Just Arsenal who bored and ground results out in 69/72 and then again in 93/95 as did many other Clubs and id also say its the only tie that Arsenal did it in their entire history. Yes, we ve had crap teams aplenty, but save for these periods never boring.Dont get me going on stadium 'atmospheres'. Theres not a stadium now that has one and i inc Liverpools which hasnt had a real 'roar' since the 80s. All very timid stadia in todays game im afraid.

  32. maguiresbridge gooner

    Mar 27, 2014, 14:57 #48469

    This old banger ran out of petrol years ago Simon, and every time it's been topped up after sitting still for years it's with cheap two star that has you chugging along, sometimes you'd get a smooth ride for a mile or two until the wheels fall off due to the nuts not been tightened or replaced. As for handbrake cables god knows how many it's went through due to been driven half on, and window wipers they must be in tatters because nobody can see out. The engine keeps conking out to many times as well, probably because of the old engine oil that keeps being used, and other parts keep breaking down also, over and over again sometime it's the same parts and when their sent to the shop for repair they take ages due to the repair men not knowing where the fault lies with the wrong diagnosis even with their fancy diagnostic machines and then not repairing them properly, only for them to go again this could also be due to inferior parts as the genuine ones for the old banger are apparently hard to come by even after searching scrap yards all over Europe. There's even been parts taken from the old banger and used else where even though they don't fit but their squeezed and hammered in anyway and used until the inevitable happens and you hear the bang.The seats must still be quite comfortable for their age because their used a lot even when the old banger is sitting still, and the radio still works because there's always plenty of rocking two and fro.The bodywork is in such bad shape it will take thousands to put right and many months of hard work for an expert body work man who knows what he's doing, there's dents and cracks everywhere you look all due to short term fixes and papering over cracks with cheap filler in the false hope it will look pristine but it never does it always looks old no matter what is tried. The head lights don't even work so no wonder it never sees anything and keeps crashing and having accidents. As for the interior itself well it's so old and out of date and cracked and crinkled it can't be brought back to life it's to far gone, you just can't put new up to date parts on an old banger they look to out of place next to these new and up and coming models with all the mod cons and far more acceleration who pull up alongside the old banger and snigger and laugh and sometimes even taunt him knowing they've got his number. This old banger has failed it's MOT far to many times and is a danger on the road as to many accidents have shown and not deemed road worthy any more. But there's still a career for the old banger if it wishes it's so old and out of date now it can be classed in the vintage category and go and do all these vintage tours and rally's around the country with all the other old bangers and allow all those enthusiasts that still worship it and think it's gorgeous and still think it's the same car that came of the production line in Japan all those years ago take photos of it all day long. Failing that the only other alternative is to have the log book taken away and be sent to the scrap heap as soon as possible.

  33. Jim

    Mar 27, 2014, 14:48 #48468

    Arsenal were never boring, it's just another stupid myth made up by stupid people because it was easy to sing and is basically just lazy journalism,the same as Lucky Arsenal again for the stupid. Yes compared to today's Arsenal they weren't as good but no other Premiership team has come close to Arsenal's style since Wenger took over. Another foolish myth was Highbury Library because it rhymed.

  34. johnnyhawleylovinggooner

    Mar 27, 2014, 14:31 #48467

    I know Busted Flush things look grim.But the worset team ever? We had a really bad team in the mid 70s,and after Brady departed ,well it was awful until GG took over.I agree it is a situation that must be dealt with,but if AW goes tomorrow he will have fulfilled his first brief which was to stop us being called Boring Boring Arsenal(yes we were that bad to watch).we have new training ground and stadium,while Liverpool,Spurs,Everton and West Ham have still not completed theirs,indeed some have not even broken ground.he will have left a tidy pot of money for a new guy to reshape the team.we are for from doom and gloom even if things go belly up in the FA cup and the league.

  35. declan burke

    Mar 27, 2014, 14:19 #48466

    excellent summary. How can WENGER possibly continue if he is supposed to be the intelligent man we are all led to believe he is ? Can he not realise that he is in danger of destroying the love and respect he earned here ?

  36. WENGER OUT

    Mar 27, 2014, 14:19 #48465

    johnny Lynch. No you won't I'm a tea total puritan who never touches alcohol, I don't even go to the games anymore because of all those sinners.

  37. Gaz

    Mar 27, 2014, 14:06 #48464

    @KC: I think a lot of them over there are regulars to be fair. I just sat there shaking my head at some of the articles and comments in all honesty. You're right though they put the majority of blame on refs, injuries and City and Chelsea! Sadly theres a lot of them and if the Club believe they're the majority nothing going to change at this Club for a while yet...

  38. KC

    Mar 27, 2014, 13:51 #48463

    @ Gaz - That site is an utter joke, its like a site for 5 - 10 year olds. Its the refs fault, we had bad luck , the second goal was a foul, the refs all hate us so on and so on. People go on there who do not watch the game and blame the ref. the main contributors are more interested in refs than football. They are a passionless lot who if truly supported Arsenal would question where we are going, most probably don't even know where the Emirates is. They forget when we had a great team it did not matter who the ref was - Funny that.

  39. Ron

    Mar 27, 2014, 13:38 #48462

    R/K - Good points. Always loath to compare teams from yesteryear to today etc but yes, the team of late 70s to 81, with todays training and methods and conditioning uder Neill and the Don would dismiss todays feckless rabble without breaking sweat in my view.

  40. Johnny Lynch

    Mar 27, 2014, 13:33 #48461

    @WENGER OUT - I'll buy you a pint when Wenger f*cks off

  41. Bard

    Mar 27, 2014, 13:27 #48460

    Peter wain: good post mate. We all know roughly what needs doing but I foresee serious problems in the next transfer window which the boss will be overseeing once again. Arsenals performance in the last few windows has been dreadful. (Ozil aside) for a whole number of reasons. I honestly don't see him rectifying the problems for many reasons. He takes too long to sign a player, he won't pay the going rate. So while the others scrap over the big hitters we will be left with the Girouds and Kallstroms, good but not world class. The other issue is that all our other competitors will be lot stronger. This season may be as good as it gets for a considerable while

  42. Gaz

    Mar 27, 2014, 13:18 #48459

    Just had a quick look at Untold Arsenal. Quite depressing really the support Wenger still gets over there. Some of the comments are quite simply astonishing. Its always easy to rebuke the notion that some fans support Arsene more than they support Arsenal but 10 mins over at that barmy website and I'm really not that certain...

  43. Peter Wain

    Mar 27, 2014, 13:13 #48458

    the biggest mistake Wenger has made is not buying more players last summer. We have a real need for a pacey striker possibly 2 and a box to box midfield player together with a quality centre half. Now with Sagna leaving we will need a right back and also a goal keeper. Are we likley to buy all these players in the coming transfer window - not a chance. The best we can hope for is another striker and may be a right back and centre half if two players leave. What we will get from the manager is the top top quality maybe even super quality speech which will culminate in a free transfer or two. So yet again we will be blighted by injuries same old same old

  44. WENGER OUT

    Mar 27, 2014, 13:12 #48457

    As usual Simon Rose has been right all along. Getting seriously fed up with your constant 'told you so' attitude! Except this time you really can't claim to have known anything more than anyone else, you've been the chief AKB for a long while, the espouser of all things 4th place - I've got no respect for anything you say anymore... Somehow I actually managed to finish your 'article' this time and as usual it seems to be a whole lot of huff and puff for very little reward. I agree with you regarding Klopp and Martinez, they really are the stand-out candidates, but some of us have been saying it a lot longer than you (you may recall my response article to your 'Strike while in the iron is hot' nonsense). I'm sorry to attack you like this, I'm sure you're a nice guy and well-intentioned, but please drop the 'told you so' nonsense, some of us, most notably Johnny Lynch (who is always on the money), see right through it.

  45. jeff wright

    Mar 27, 2014, 13:04 #48456

    Hi Ron, you have hit the nail on the head there regarding the football scene in scouser-land against that of North London. It's amusing now though seeing the FAC, that was beneath us competing for to some suddenly becoming a successful season for Arsene should he win it. Although according to some he only has to show up for the semi to make this a forgone conclusion. He does have 4 previous wins in the comp though,albeit the last one was on a penalty shoot-out in Cardiff and Wenger has yet to win anything at the new Wembley. And from what I have witnessed of our teams antics lately unless some significant improvement occurs that could well continue to be the case. I have thought all season that 3rd or 4th place in the Prem was nailed on but 3rd spot looks unlikely now after we have squandered so many points lately, plus Liverpool's by comparison 7 straight wins giving them momentum for the run-in and a outside chance of nicking the title.. Also even 4th spot now doesent look like a shoo-in either. Wenger needs to try and be more pragmatic against City because if he goes out all gung-ho again against them them we could end up getting another spanking. I'm expecting Wenger though to carry on regardless because he has built a squad that lacks depth to change from the tippy tappy attack predictable malarkey to defending in depth type . So in a sense Wenger has made his own bed and will now have to lie in it. He doesn't need a duvet though because he's got that big sleeping bag with the dodgy zip to keep him warm.

  46. Ron

    Mar 27, 2014, 12:52 #48455

    Anfields12 man - Always enjoy a trip to Anfield mate and a few pints in 'the Arkle', even when we get a slapping which hasnt been often over the last 6-7 years.Well done on your Season efforts and progress.Im not totally convinced by Rodgers though, but time will tell wont it. Maybe need to see how he shapes up when the two Ss up front struggle a bit?

  47. jjetplane

    Mar 27, 2014, 12:51 #48454

    'It's too late baby/now it's too late/though we really did try to make it/something inside has died/and I can hide and I just can't fake it/oh no .......' What a tune! What a ****in' team!

  48. radfordkennedy

    Mar 27, 2014, 12:46 #48453

    Head of medical team......i disagree with your last point mate, he might not of been everyones cup of tea but i tell you this fella his team of Jennings Rice Nelson Talbot Oleary Young Brady Sunderland Stapleton Price and Rix would show this current shower how to battle, concentrate and defend anyone had to work bloody hard to beat us,Don took a lot of stick for being negative but i cant think of too many who could organise a defence like him

  49. Ron

    Mar 27, 2014, 12:38 #48452

    All sound stuff Simon. but AW isnt going anywhere yet. Cant see why posters here are having a go at Everton. What theyve achieved is excellent this year under a cracking Coach and its true what the Everton says, if he carries on like this, he ll fancy a shot at a 'titan' Club if the opportunity arises. I cant see him walking out on Everton after 1 season either. Hes a loyal chap as per his Wigan days. Everton will more than likely nail us at Goodison too and will be well up for revenge after the Cup loss, which was never a 4-1 really. We have a poster saying Arsenal 'pat Liverpool on the head'. Good grief mate, we re all p--sed of with things Arsenal right now but thats a barmy thing to say. 18 Titles and 5 Euro Cups and a recent 5-1 says so doesnt it? Liverpools football scene is thriving, unlike North Londons humdrumn offerings. Apologies are orffered up to the visiting scousers on here on behalf of my esteemed fellow posters. Cmon you Gunners, youre rubbish but youre our rubbish! Gunners 1 City 0!

  50. Danny

    Mar 27, 2014, 12:35 #48451

    Guys, we can debate and counter debate, but unfortunately the fan base is split. I want to see Headlines now, Wenger Sacked! for incompetence and tactical clueless We need to do this now: Try and get Simone as coach. He is like Maureen, desire, passion and coaches properly With him, the big beast COSTA will come to us Get rid of the lazy turk OZIL and see if we can swap him Pogba. Get Bender from Leverkusen Areta, Podolski, Carzola have to go also.

  51. underacheiver

    Mar 27, 2014, 12:13 #48450

    Wanted manager for top football club, renowned through out the world, with history and tradition second to none. Located in one of the worlds greatest cities, in one of the worlds best football leagues in one of the worlds best football stadiums. Salary offered up to 8 million pounds a year. Job description: Bring this sleeping giant back to life, show ambition and utilize all resources available to you and give 100% in making the team as successful as possible. Managers will be queuing up. The major risk is in the boards ability to choose well.

  52. Laughing at Rose

    Mar 27, 2014, 12:00 #48449

    So Simon Rose. Monsieur AKB. What on earth happened to your pre-season prediction about Arsene Wenger proving his doubters wrong this season hmmm? What happened to this 'other teams changing managers' nonsense you peddled as the excuse for your idiotic optimism? Mind you, I suppose it was petro-dollars that stand in poor ol Arsene's way eh? I mean look at Liverpool and Brendan Rodgers, spending a King's ransom on...oh hold on, Rodgers is just managing to a hig level and improving his players! If Liverpool win the league how retarded and even more incompetent will Arsene look? FA Cup or not, WENGER OUT. Enough of this farce already.

  53. Bard

    Mar 27, 2014, 11:56 #48448

    Norsegooner: he's had his chance to buy and build. Its done, it's over. He will in all probability stay on but the club need to look elsewhere. I don't know that there are 10 alternatives but Arsenal will be an attractive proposition for many of the top managers. I'm not knocking what he has done but unless you've been on another planet you will have noticed the sides disintegration recently. He messed up big time last July window and did nothing to rectify matters in jan. The argument that buying players is difficult is true but we seem to make it doubly difficult. Chelsea bought Matic in jan for 25m and what a buy he has been. If you never want to pay a penny over your valuation then yes it's impossible. Anyway mate this debate's been done to death over the last few months. You need to read the back posts to get up to speed

  54. Johhny Lynch

    Mar 27, 2014, 11:55 #48446

    @Simon Rose.. You've had ample opportunities on here and in The Gooner Magazine to call for Wenger's head and like the Editor you did nothing .. Granted , not many people take you seriously but still, as a regular contributor to the magazine you had a priviliged platform that others did not.. You've sat on the fence pontificating for so long whilst proper Arsenal Grass and Roots supporters have seen the road Wenger has been leading us down at least four years ago. You are full of sh*t mate

  55. Unchives

    Mar 27, 2014, 10:59 #48444

    Simon we haven't heard from you since your last blog, when we had won the title after ten games! Wenger must go whatever happens as this squad has been together too long and gone stale together. Both your choice of replacements are good,I prefer Martinez as he now knows the premiership. Fail and Pep Guardiola would then be available.As for the FA Cup, we deserve it just on the teams we beat already, however there's no Guarantees. Our record this season against the top challengers is not that bad or yet complete. Liverpool..two wins from three. Spurs...three from three. City to still play at home, and a draw with Chelsea at home when they came to park the bus. As for Man Utd....im sure they would swap with us now. So the picture is not as gloomy as we like to convince ourselves.COYG!

  56. ApolloGooner

    Mar 27, 2014, 10:45 #48442

    Well written as always Simon but if we're writing off our title chances before April has even begun can we even call that a title challenge? Its not my idea of one. Far from it. 1999 and 2003 are my idea of a title challenge. Also, I notice you say the faults that have ruined our chance this season are the same as the ones that have ruined previous seasons. Exactly right ... which is why so many of us never believed we were ever serious contenders. Yet I'm sure you were among those who were criticising that negative (some would say realistic) view and I seem to recall you slating most of the pundits earlier in the season for not saying Arsenal could win the title. For all the ridicule it got, time had proved that there was a quirk in the fixture list. Throughout the calendar year 2013 we didn't play any of the best sides away from home so our results were enhanced over the year. But other than better defensive displays against the lesser sides, nothing has really changed.

  57. Norsegooner

    Mar 27, 2014, 10:36 #48441

    @Bard. You cannot in all seriousness have spent the last 10 years expecting us to compete with the 3 rich teams? And you seem to think the top 10 managers in the world are standing in line to take over for Wenger? Both of those reveals wishful thinking and optimism bordering on diagnosable illnesses. And still you didn't answer.

  58. Jack

    Mar 27, 2014, 10:28 #48439

    TL:DR - No need to be writing such convoluted stuff Simon! If you need this many words to make a point then maybe blogging isn't for you...

  59. chris dee

    Mar 27, 2014, 10:16 #48438

    Beginning of the season a top four finish and winning the FA Cup would have been accepted.So we now have to forget,however painful, the last 8 months and see if that can be achieved. Fingers crossed we do that,then I believe Arsene's gonna walk away anyway. And Simon 'I was the lone voice extolling the virtues of Robert Martinez' really?Come on me old mucker every man and his dog have been praising Martinez since his Swansea days. And remember Simon self praise is no praise at all.

  60. Edmund

    Mar 27, 2014, 10:12 #48437

    I like the attacking football Wenger sets his teams out to play and he has been trying to play a tactical game but on Saturday afternoon against Chelsea he, his team and the ref must have been smoking pot or someone slipped them the mickey. Same thing repeated with no improvement.

  61. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Mar 27, 2014, 10:07 #48436

    Well the cat is out of the bag, Wenger either walks now or in two years time. So we either indulge him for two more years or make the change now. Two years of speculation by the media,anger fron the fans and procratination by the board. What a boring waste of time for us all,sitting in the waiting room with no prospect of the club moving forward.Better to let him retire gracefully now, keep his ego intact, leave the AKB's wanting more and for the rest of us the prospect of the club trying to compete again.

  62. Bard

    Mar 27, 2014, 10:02 #48435

    Norsegooner: what about 10 years? That's about the timeframe he's had so far. Why not give him another 10. I think I've heard posts like yours from the club on many an occasion. It's called spin or b******t if you like. Finding another manager won't be difficult. There are plenty out there who would jump at the chance.

  63. ozzie

    Mar 27, 2014, 9:35 #48434

    arsenal need a coach thats ambitious,who is hungry for success, who will understand that Geroud is not a toptriker needs the whole game to score a goal who will understand that the team is not competitive as yet. put simpler a coach who will strengthen with world class players in all the departments

  64. Norsegooner

    Mar 27, 2014, 9:32 #48432

    Good piece and a lot of good questions. Tbh I have no idea whether booting Wenger or not is the answer, but what I DO know is that picking a new manager is significantly more difficult than finding a new player. So let me add 2 questions of my own; Given that shopping for a new player is not like shopping at Tesco like most idiots seem to think, neither when it comes to availability or guaranteed quality. And given that we HAVE gone through a period of tight budgeting. And given the fact that we have been struck hard by the number of defections during the budget years. And given the fact, like spurs have shown, you can only add a small amount of players each year. And given the fact that there has been actual attempts, and successes, to strengthen the squad. What would be a reasonable timeframe or a reasonable number of transfer windows for Wenger to rebuild aforementioned budget squad? How long are people willing to wait for a new manager to build HIS team? Does anyone in their right mind believe that players like Arteta or Giroud would have been bought for the roles they have ended up occupying if we hadn't gone through defections and budget seasons?

  65. Tony

    Mar 27, 2014, 9:26 #48431

    No disrespect Mikey Davies. I always thought the likes of Everton, Spuds and even Liverpool were plucky little clubs we'd pat on the head and pretend they were better than they were, while pretending Arsenal had problems to make them feel better. Martinez would jump at the chance to manage Arsenal rather than the managerial merry-go-round of some classless club like Barca.

  66. Fozzy's mate

    Mar 27, 2014, 9:15 #48430

    Simon I am almost in tears. What you now preach you dismissed 4 years ago. Back then your optimism almost bordering on delusion was admirable and offset miserable pessimistic sods like me. When even your Simon Rose tinted glasses are broken whe truly are in a bad place!

  67. Head of Medical team at Arsenal

    Mar 27, 2014, 9:07 #48428

    The King of the Rosetinters comes out of his bunker.Did you know while you were in there we had our annual collapse which was predicted by most of us while you were writing your we can win the league articles before Xmas.The truth is even if we win the FA cup Wenger has to go.He is a busted flush.Playing Flamini and Arteta v Swansea yet just playing Arteta at the Bridge to get chewed and spat out by Matic and Luiz were the actions of a manager who doesnt have a clue.But our weak board with no knowledge of football will give him a undeserved £24m contract.This reminds me of the late 70's and early 80's when we won one FA cup when we had a clueless manager

  68. Scholes was right but...

    Mar 27, 2014, 8:53 #48427

    well said 12th man. I spent a time in West Derby in the early 90's and I know the Liverpool supporters generally had a respect for the Arsenal. Must be the old long time rivalry thing since way back before the super rich and old bacon face came on the scene. If anyone is going to win from the top three I hope it is your team.

  69. Bard

    Mar 27, 2014, 8:46 #48426

    Simon mate you've got too much time on your hands !! Seriously don't disagree with the thrust of your post. But as Ron and others here have said he isn't going anywhere for at least a year. My view is that we are already consigned to exile wherever we finish, quite simply because of the war that will go on on the summer transfer window. So many big clubs need to strengthen Man u need 6/7 players for a start, prices will go through the roof and our beloved boss, doesn't/can't those sorts of deals. Having Giroud as your top striker and your only striker tells you all you need to know about both the bosses ambition and his attitude to finances. ItI may well be transitionary year next year but by the end of it whoever takes over will have a mountain to climb.

  70. Anfield's 12 men

    Mar 27, 2014, 8:44 #48425

    Great article Simon. I think it unwise to underestimate the Pool at home versus Sh**ty, & Chavski. We were only narrowly beaten away there anyways. We're not Arsenal remember! Anfield is not the Emirates anyways, with respect teams really genuinely fear Anfield. This will be in our favour as the run-in kicks in. We scousers know that our fellow contenders will fear steppin' out into that marvellous Anfield atmosphere. They will get a lump in their throat and weak at the knees knowing that the Pool's 12th man is at work. We will all find out in due course whether this Liverpool side is a bluff, or the real McCoy. At the moment though we are better placed than everyone bar Chelsea. As you know, they're not our favourites. I've been speaking with a few Gonners lately, and I get the impression many of your people favour a Pool success in the title hunt. We at Liverpool hope that that is true and welcome Arsenal peoples well wishes. You know of our admiration for your great club Arsenal. In fact around the Pool circles we rate you the highest. There is a growing belief at Anfield that we can see this through and make it a victory for ol' times sake. Can you all hear the sweet song of the lark..... YNWA

  71. Mikey Davies

    Mar 27, 2014, 8:40 #48424

    Hi Mate A toffee here ...... Don't think Martinez will leave for a averge club... Personally I think we are a very lucky stepping stone and I expect Barcelona :). Good luck, don't think we have the top 4.. think it's yours but I whole heartedly agree with your comments on Wenger.... If I was your board... I would try and go for a anceloti... Not your style of play but your will definitely be more efficient attacking and defensively

  72. Scholes was right but...

    Mar 27, 2014, 8:35 #48423

    PS was right in his assessment, but where he said Wilshere has not developed since he was 17 could could be mirrored by the development of the skills of his manager. Wenger himself has not progressed since he put together a team of super athletic, self motivated, skillsters at the turn of the century. That team were the best I have ever seen on a regular basis and could often win a game even with 10 men. But even they were tactically deficient and at times most notably in Europe were found out. Yet when Keown came back to assist, we almost won the CL, creating the record for longest run of clean sheets in the process. Not bad considering the opposition of the day. Wenger has developed as a businessman though, and kept a big concern going during difficult times, even improving the global image by playing attractive football. But to win trophies.."mental strength" is a mantra being used in recent times,I don't recall it being used before the Eduardo/Birmingham nightmare, the time of our first genuine collapse. It has been trotted out so many times since, whenever I hear it I know there is a catastrophe about to happen. Yet, where was this elusive stuff during the final against Birmingham, 4-4 at Newcastle,8-2 at OT, and the spankings of this season? Mental strength is what Chelsea have,and City to a lesser extent. Why? Because they know what they are doing at different points in the game, at different scorelines and against different opposition. In that knowledge comes certainty. Where is the club captain? On the bench! Terry, Kompany and Gerrard do not sit on the bench. If they are fit, they are first to play. Players like Ozil, who is a marvellous talent I feel, will only flourish in a team that has a discipline, and it is no coincidence he is at his best in a German shirt. Discipline and tactical awareness give you - a) firm foundation - b) mental strength - c) confidence -. On another note, Yaya Toure. Every time I see him I wonder "how did he get away?" Kolo even told Wenger, "he's much better than me". When you think of all the raw, unproven talent that we have accumulated, and discarded, ( or even kept !!!) it makes it even more galling. Ibrahimovic also,and Ronaldo ! Was it not possible to see the talent at an early age ? Or crucially, did those players only become so good because of the manager/ coach they played for? You are right. Cahill was one that should never have been allowed to get away. But he has improved, because of who he plays with. But with us, he might not have got in the England team.

  73. brucegrove

    Mar 27, 2014, 8:35 #48422

    Personally i'm not sure what's worse..playing with the handbrake on or off

  74. BUSTED FLUSH

    Mar 27, 2014, 8:34 #48421

    Wenger is taken us down the swanny. George Graham, Bertie Mee, Terry Neil, Don Howe, Billy Wright they all competed for the title every season they weren't interested in 4th. This is the worst Arsenal team ever. Wenger is clueless the defence is a mess, no creativity in midfield, the only good thing is our strikers. Time for a change.

  75. john

    Mar 27, 2014, 8:04 #48420

    Wenger should just leave,we are suffering from heart attacks as a result of watching Arsenal routed by bigger and smaller clubs recently,should bring Klopp or Harnenkes both Germans.

  76. Its up for grabs now

    Mar 27, 2014, 8:04 #48419

    Oops, that should read war and peace, typo error!

  77. Dandy Modd and the Clangers from my Arse 'n' all

    Mar 27, 2014, 7:56 #48418

    Oh but come on now, Arsene only buys, trains, instructs, effuses, instills, and man to man manages them. He cannot be held responsible for them when their on the pitch, surely. Arsene, is many things to many people, but he's not omnipresent now is he. He has done ever so much for our club now hasn't he? He can still do much more for Arsenal if he was given the (life)time. I can't believe that some fans think of him as some managerial omnipotence who will conjure up wine from water so to speak. Well...what more can one say. There's gratitude for you. As you will all likely know now, my thoughts on these matters. I cannot for the life of me forsee a future without Arsene, good god no! As always Dandy.

  78. Its up for grabs now

    Mar 27, 2014, 7:39 #48417

    After reading that war and piece article, I will keep this succinct. Whether we win the FA Cup or not, Wenger's time is up, he has had so many chances, but nothing changes, and nothing ever will under his management/philosophy.

  79. GoonerGoal!

    Nov 09, 2012, 0:41 #27849

    @Chris... at the end of this season it is likely that we will not be in the Champions League, and maybe not even in the Europa League, at which point your endless points of arguement will begin to become superfluous. Did I just hear a cry of "Hurrah!"?

  80. Chris

    Nov 08, 2012, 10:42 #27807

    @Greenhut - personally I would rather Arsenal qualified for the CL than won the Carling/whatever or even FA Cup, so in that sense I do agree with him. By any metric other than trophies, I stand by what I have said - we have the best record of turning money into sporting success of any top PL club. Instead of calling it 'pathetic' and 'nonsense' why don't eg 'RVP was right' or 'Arsenal fans get..' try to make an argument to show the opposite, instead of simply listing some players who are have either not lived up to the hopes for them or have bad injury records? If it's all about trophies, then fine, you are all right - but personally I don't think it is. At the moment, you are all sounding like anti-Wenger sheep. Baaa....

  81. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Nov 07, 2012, 23:30 #27779

    I'm nitpicking through what is generally an accurate article, and I'm going to sound a bit pedantic here, but.....that was Mannone's second good game in a row, I think Arteta and Mertesacker are strong characters, along with Wilshere, and one of those two senior players really should be captain. Speaking of which, I'm aware that Djourou gets the armband for cup matches, but I truly believe that for matches where the squad players are fielded, that responsibility should be given to Jenkinson.

  82. Green Hut

    Nov 07, 2012, 22:53 #27778

    @chris- Please, enough of this nonsense. How can you possibly contend that pound for pound spent we are 'doing better than any other club' when we don't win anything? Tottenham and Birmingham have both won a trophy in recent years whilst spending less than us. Your rationale can only be based on agreeing with our deluded manager that finishing fourth is a 'trophy'. Which it isn't.

  83. Bard

    Nov 07, 2012, 19:10 #27770

    To be honest it doesn't really matter where we finish first or second in the group. It only matters if you have chance of winning the thing and we clearly don't have cat in hells chance. I though Jack looked rusty that was to be expected and there were neat performances from others. But the much lauded spirit in the team is weak. The stupidity of giving the goal away before half time was schoolboy stuff. These basic errors at crucial times have been evident time and time again. The team have lacked a ruthless streak for years. Wneger doesn't have it and teams reflect their manager.

  84. Arsenal fans get the club they deserve

    Nov 07, 2012, 18:51 #27767

    Chris- Man Utd get much better value for their spend than us, but leaving the obvious aside, Gazidis has publicly repeated to the point of nauseum (even Silent Stan said it at the AGM) that Wenger always has money to spend, and Wenger never disputes this, but the money sits in the bank gathering dust because Arsene knows best. That's why people get annoyed at the sub-standard performances we've been paying a huge amount of money to watch over the last few years.

  85. RVP was right

    Nov 07, 2012, 18:42 #27765

    @chris Pathetic.We pay the highest ticket prices in the world our wage bill is over £130m we have Mannone Flappy Djourou Squillaci Santos Diaby Ramsey Arshavin Gervinho and Chamakh in our squad and you tell me we are doing well.What makes teams great is trophies won not large profits.I want to support a football club not a bank.We want our Arsenal back now

  86. Fozzy's mate

    Nov 07, 2012, 18:39 #27764

    A decent result but poor display. Unfortunately re the down sides its all been said before. How many times under Wenger have we lost a lead of (at least) 2 goals? Giroud in terms of his ability when bearing down on goal could be rightly compared with Lee Chapman. But his goals v west ham and last night show when crosses are whipped in early he can be effective if crude. Unfortunately such crosses are few and far between as ogls only tactic is pass,pass,pass no matter who is in his side or the opposition. Walcotts speed makes things happen more than any other of our current strikers, so given the total lack of speed elsewhere he must play. Even the stubborn man from Alsace must now see this. I dunno about this particular pitch but TV in particular looks like a contestant in dancing on ice half the time. Is he wearing skates or studs? If and when Walcott has joined the mass exodus in order to further build the eurozone bail out fund, I shudder at the use of another favourite OGL phrase "internal solutions". At least we don't hear the old dross of great spirit and mental strength trotted out these days. Instead we hear that the players want to do well!

  87. Dan h

    Nov 07, 2012, 17:25 #27756

    @Stroud you make a very good point about small details.It comes down to choice of the manager some would go mental if they didn't train on the opponents pitch the night before a CL game.Last week it seemed at least two of the players didn't realise we had to play extra-time against Reading.Giroud was quoted in the evening standard as he thought it was going to a replay bizarre.

  88. ppp

    Nov 07, 2012, 17:25 #27755

    We're still in it - unlike man city - who have spent close to a billion pounds. We're doing okay. The players need to step up their game and we can still win things. Having a go at Wenger shows a real lack of character. I always judge people (not just Arsenal fans) on their general view of Wenger. It's very revealing of someone's personality.

  89. Chris

    Nov 07, 2012, 17:07 #27754

    @arsenal fans get the club they deserve - yes I did because pound for pound spent, we are doing better than any other club as has been repeatedly demonstrated, to the point of nauseum. @arsenal wisdom - do you mean the ironically named 'Arsenal Truth' blog that presents a made up Arsenal wage bill as if it's real?

  90. RJ

    Nov 07, 2012, 16:42 #27751

    I seem to remember Gibbs slipping to allow the 1st (or 2nd?) Utd goal in the ECL Semi-Final a few seasons ago. At the Emirates. A pitch they were probably used to playing on. Whilst I agree that getting to know "the performance space" is very important, I am not sure that this is why players slip - it could be that they are clumsy, it could be that we use the wrong studs, it could be that we notice it more because they are our boys. Do Opta produce any stats on this? be an interesting comparison "most slippy back 4 in the EPL" - maybe that is a sixth trophy we could go for.

  91. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 07, 2012, 16:36 #27750

    Agree Ron the Ashton article summed the club up very well.

  92. Carlton

    Nov 07, 2012, 16:18 #27748

    Kev we are in a good position in Europe for what to get knocked out in the first knockout round?.Barcelona Real or Bayern await and its Goodnight Vienna

  93. Martin

    Nov 07, 2012, 15:54 #27745

    Think you are being kind Ed it was an awful performance both are goals came against the run of play and our only shot on target in the 2nd half was Feo's miss.We only survived because Schalke took their foot off the gas after their 2nd goal.The defence even without Shirt-swapper was poor again.The midfield and especially Cazorla was overrun for long periods.Our quick passing game has died a death.As usual we will just about qualify in 2nd played then its over for another year

  94. Arsenal Wisdom

    Nov 07, 2012, 15:03 #27741

    PLEASE read the blog 'ARSENAL TRUTH'. Everything you need to know about Wenger's incompetent mismanagement of Arsenal is there. The club is an absolute disgrace form top to bottom and Wenger is the biggest one of all. It's sickening and I will not pay a penny to see a thing until AW is removed and Gazidis buggers off with him too.

  95. Rob

    Nov 07, 2012, 14:34 #27740

    'The problem is not how the money is spent' - Chris are you serious with that comment ? It doesn't matter that we hand out sky high contracts to players we can't get rid of, loan out and still pay a huge chunk of their wages ? Bendtner and Denielson ? That we have players like Arshavin, Djourou, Chamakh, Rosicky and Diaby, all on sky high salaries and contributing next to nothing ? If we waste our resources as we do, we are in no position to bleat about City or Barca'. Then there's the whole question of a squad, thoroughly devoid of motivation, who look and act like whipping boys every time they come up against a quality team. Ask yourself who is responsible both for the attitude - wretched - and the money - often mis-spent. There's one answer to both questions.

  96. Ron

    Nov 07, 2012, 14:34 #27739

    RJ - ive no time for the Daily Mail usually either but i thought the Ashton article sums the Club up well. Indeed i suspect many posters on here would agree with the thrust of the piece hes written. He was never an Arsenal basher for the sake of it when i had SKY and used to watch him on that Sunday morning prog with the late Brian Woolldridge.

  97. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Nov 07, 2012, 14:02 #27738

    The lack of specific preparation for specific games is a sign of monumental arrogance. Clearly Wenger believes that if the players just play according to his 'vision' we will win every match regardless of opposition, stadium, etc etc. This would also explain why he seems so detached from bad performances. He really doesn't see it as his fault. This failure to focus on the minitiae is also totally out of date thinking in top level sport these days. Look at Team Sky in cycling, focusing on the little things to add up to a cumulative impact.

  98. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 07, 2012, 13:49 #27737

    Yes ED he was finally dropped but maybe it was to save him from a backlash from the fans after the shirt incident more than anything else.Of course Ramsey would have started wengers as stubborn as an old mule.We done our best to grab defeat from the jaws of victory but a point was good enough and we should progress we got a lucky break with our first goal but it was a good finish by walcott and as usual he couldn't wait to be interviewed and tell us all about it although he wouldn't tell us about his contract negotiations good play for our second as well and well finished by giroud but then the inevitable and our customary og how further we progress after this group is any ones guess especially if we don't cut out silly mistakes and stop giving the ball away but it could be worse we could be in the position the blue mancs mercenaries.

  99. Arsenal fans get the club they deserve

    Nov 07, 2012, 13:43 #27736

    Chris- Did you really mean to type 'The problem is not how the money is spent'?

  100. Gooner SA

    Nov 07, 2012, 12:52 #27730

    Teams with ambitions of winning the European Cup don't give away two goal leads. Carzola's error for Schalke's first goal handed them the initiative and they took it to get a point :(

  101. Red Member

    Nov 07, 2012, 12:44 #27728

    yet again we will miss out on topping our CL group and this will result in an impossible last 16 match. but by then in March Wenger will probably be pleased with this scenario as he can plan for the main aim of the season - to get back into the competition. and the cycle goes on...

  102. Ron

    Nov 07, 2012, 12:37 #27723

    Decent result. Sadly, its all academic. The Club will qualify now for the KOs and lose. Its what they set out to do and no more.I suppose thats 'success'in modern day parlance!

  103. RJ

    Nov 07, 2012, 12:32 #27721

    Mr Ed - lost a huge degree of credibility linking to an article in the Mail - I am surprised it doesn't point out that Arsenal either cures or causes cancer (queue comments about "the cancer" at our club) Otherwise a fair assessment of the game - not too many positives, Theo continues to frustrate - IF he had taken that chance in injury time, then Wenger would have had little choice but to pick him. Worrying me at the moment is "what has happened to the Podolski and the Cazorla who showed up for the first few games of the season, and what is wrong with TV5 at the moment?"

  104. HowardL

    Nov 07, 2012, 12:28 #27719

    I also wondered why the Arsenal players seemed so unstable on their pins. I saw a programme some time ago on TV where even top, top stars would visit the empty concert venue in advance and imagine the crowd as part of their preparation for the real thing. I didn't realise Arsenal didn't do that. Crazy, it's not as if it has never happened before, but as you say, the man in charge is as stubborn as a mule...

  105. Fozzy

    Nov 07, 2012, 12:23 #27718

    We got out of jail last night and really should have been buried. We were in trouble for the whole of the second half having criminally gone to sleep after being incapable of seeing out two added on minutes before halftime. Very strange that Schalke stopped playing once they had equalised. Unlike the opposition, we were slipping about all over the place throughout the match. Did the bloke who always seems to sit next to Wenger forget to bring along the bag containing longer studs? Has Giroud received specialist coaching from Lee Chapman and Barry Bender? Still, at least he appeared genuine by refusing to thrown himself over in their penalty box, unlike Ebouseless-in-a-syrup who spared us from watching him through injury. Please move over Rosick-note and Diabolical so we can pay somebody else £60,000 per week to lie on a treatment table all day. No decent subs to bring on, Wenger, in the 70th minute last night. Poor old Happy Jack was on his knees at the end. Whose fault is that? You've got no option on the bench because you never bought anybody half decent. All you will end up doing (again) is overplay Happy Jack and that will make the treatment table even more crowded. And so it goes on.

  106. scorp_nib

    Nov 07, 2012, 12:21 #27717

    excellent point about the footwear..not many are reporting it. i didnt see any schalke player slipping throughout the game (i could be wrong), but it was alarming to see how frequently some of our players lost their footing yesterday.. where's the preparation for a big match wenger? at old trafford you could see a casual attitude in the tunnel when the players greeted van persie.. they never had their game face on..after the third minute, it was obvious they were never going to turn up that day.

  107. Dan h

    Nov 07, 2012, 12:09 #27712

    We were lucky to get a point in the end they dominated the 2nd half some decent saves from Mannone.The team certainly looked more balanced with the changes.Giroud took his header well he needs service into the box fine cross from Podolski.Walcott provided some pace from out wide his reaction to a question after the game about why he isn't starting to me makes it clear odds on he will be off in january.The link provided isn't really telling us anything many of us have been saying on here for years.The only thing it will do is make more people wake up to the real goals of the 'people'running our club.Cue stories in the next few days of 'money available to strengthen''super quality signings' etc.etc.We have seen & heard it all before actions speak louder than words & my god do OGL & MSS talk a good game.Where the club has been clever is to get some regular bloggers onboard with regular contact again this is totally my opinion what would i know eh??The media dept do keep an eye on what is written about the club instead of mainstream media i would be more concerned about the growing realisation that many people are waking up to what's really going on at the club.Balance sheet over team sheet the number one concern put out whatever stats you want that is the bottom line!

  108. GoonerRon

    Nov 07, 2012, 11:58 #27710

    A fair assessment overall, although using players slipping over as a way to bash Wenger is just utterly ridiculous. Don't the players warm up on the pitch before the game? Isn't the time before the match the best barometer of the prevailing conditions and therefore what boots to use? Players slip over all the time and unless Opta have started monitoring the numbers, it is nonsense to insinuate our players slip over more due to Wenger! 'Mannone had a decent game for a change' - Decent? Is that all you're prepared to give him? He had a very good game from what I saw, including a one-on-one save from the aforementioned 'lethal finisher.'

  109. Chris

    Nov 07, 2012, 11:46 #27709

    The Article by Ashton that Kevin links to is incorrect re the wage bill - not all the figures are out for 2011-12 yet so he must be comparing Arsenal's 143m with the wages of other clubs from the previous season. Doesn't take account of inflation. This article is just as much spin as Gazidis spouts! What's the point of listing revenue of CL clubs when eg Chelski and Man C spend what they like, irrespective of revenue? The problem is not how the money is spent, it's how much is spent...

  110. Clockender78

    Nov 07, 2012, 11:44 #27708

    Valuable point last night, but I thought it was a poor performance for most of the game. Mis-placed passes, poor defending, seeming lack of organisation. You're right about wilshere, he was one of the few to actually drive at at the opposition and bring some urgency. Wenger said in the press conference after they he thought we played very well..