Kroenke's US teams’ performance

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Kroenke's US teams’ performance

The track record Stateside - and he cares about these sports


Amid the debate of how Arsenal is run and what influence Kroenke, the Board or Arsene Wegner has on the overall approach I thought it would be interesting to see how Kroenke’s U.S. teams have performed during his ownership period. The results are very disturbing if we expect to see a meaningful change in direction at the club.

Kroenke has material ownership of four teams in four different sports; he also owns a Lacrosse franchise which I have omitted from this review. Three of the teams are based in Denver, Colorado, the Avalanche in the National Hockey League (NHL), the Nuggets in the National Basketball Association (NBA) and the Rapids in the Major Soccer League (MSL). He also owns the St. Louis Rams in the National Football League (NFL) in St. Louis, Missouri.

Kroenke purchased a 40% interest in the Rams in 1995 and bought the balance in 2010. He acquired 100% ownership of the Avalanche and Nuggets in 2000 and subsequently has turned over the ownership to his son as the NFL does not allow owners to hold a majority stake in any other sports franchise. Kroenke purchased the Rapids in 2004.

How have these teams performed over the last 12 years? The answer is not very well. The table illustrated shows the regular season ranking. North American sports are organized into regional conferences and divisions; teams play an unbalanced schedule, i.e. they play more against teams in their division and conference, therefore the ranking is not a true league table as we know it, but still present a very good indicator of relative performance. Playoff games are ignored for this purpose.

The general conclusion is that all of Kroenke’s teams have been mediocre at best. The Avalanche and the Rams have been some of the poorest teams in their respective sports over the last seven years. The Rapids and Nuggets have been “mid-table” and have never challenged the top. The only success his teams have had, were the Avalanche in 2001, Kroenke’s first year of ownership and therefore he had little influence and the Rams in 2001 when he was a minority owner.

There of course of lot of other variables at play, Denver and St. Louis are “small market teams”, 19th and 21st sized cities in the U.S. the equivalent of Wolverhampton and Stoke in England. However, North American sports are designed to have a more balanced field of play. Every year in each sport, a draft of eligible players is established where the team with the worse record picks first; in the NFL especially a team can build a successful team through the draft. The Rams with nine years of high draft choices have failed to do so.

Also in each sport the leagues have a salary cap, i.e. there is a limit on how much you can pay players, and there is revenue sharing. It is the equivalent of Financial Fair Play, it varies enormously by sport and the rules are highly complex. Like FFP there are loopholes but combined with the draft process it is designed to give teams from smaller markets with lower revenue a chance of success.

Kroenke’s teams have not been successful under his ownership and nor is there any apparent effort to change that. We do not know the financial story but in Denver he developed and owns the arena and football ground in which his teams play and the local TV station that broadcast their games.

At the recent Arsenal AGM it was stated that the Board run the club and not Kroenke; I’m sure that is true but what is obvious is that the majority owner, the person who puts up the money and takes the financial risk determines the direction and the strategy of the organization and typically he then delegates the day to day affairs to a Board or a management team. If Kroenke’s record with his American teams is any indication he does not put playing success as a top priority, four teams over the last ten years not even close to winning anything. Why would we expect anything different at Arsenal?


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  1. Joe S.

    Nov 21, 2012, 10:37 #28434

    From my knowledge the Rams were not so long ago a team going places but have since stagnated while the other franchises have always been souless units compared to the Boston and New York teams which regardless of form have always had passionate support. let's hope Kroenke sells out of Arsenal before the rot has truly set in.

  2. Harold

    Nov 20, 2012, 20:26 #28418

    When I hear Wenger say there's no money to spend on players, I'll start blaming Kroenke. I won't hold my breath though.

  3. Rob

    Nov 20, 2012, 20:05 #28416

    Nice succinct post Mike. Does not make happy reading. The big concern would be if he starts to take some money out by 'consultancy fees'. He Won't do it by shareholder payments as that would invite Usmanov to reject the taking and allow him to claim the moral high ground. The only hope appears to be that Kronke has borrowed heavily to buy the Arsenal shares and might look to sell up if there was enough profit and enough pressure for him so to do. But how long before that happens ? Ten years ?? At this rate the 1953 - 1970 hiatus is on course to be surpassed.

  4. Mandy Dodd

    Nov 20, 2012, 18:37 #28414

    Very true Ron, but do not think we are so desperate that we have to take such a gamble at the moment, but if say stan started taking money out, possible a different matter. Maybe true Canterbury,although not aware roman has been charged for anything or even under suspicion. But just say, a money launder came in, spent a fortune on a club, trophies galore, then he happened to get shot, improsoned of a victim of an Eu law applying much more scrutiny on such things......then the club could cease to exist that very day. Surely self sustainability, if indeed that really is what stan is about is the better option, even if there is a bit of pain for a few years? And before any lawyers get onto me, I am not suggesting any current club owners are money launderers or criminals...but possibly, only a matter of time

  5. Highbury Boy

    Nov 20, 2012, 17:11 #28410

    Interesting article. Lewis (post 30984) I don't know what sort of return you get on your money but I think that Stan invested in Arsenal between 2007 and 2011 at varying prices and perhaps an average price of £10,000 per share. I am sure that when the new commercial deals come on stream in the next couple of years he can get AT LEAST double that price;probably even get that now if he wants to give Usmanov a call. Pretty good when you get 1 or 2% at your bank

  6. Canterbury Gooner

    Nov 20, 2012, 15:07 #28401

    @Mandy Dodd, I suspect Roman Abramovich is also in possession of a less-than-clean track record! Don't think it would affect the realm of sports that much though.

  7. I am the Denver Nugget

    Nov 20, 2012, 14:10 #28399

    Just because the Denver Nugget SK is clearly not the answer, it doesn't mean that Usmanov necessarily is either. It strikes me that on his deathbed Danny Fiszman (who I believe cared about the club profoundly) sold his shares to SK as a safer, lesser of two evils option. It's a very unhealthy situation having an indifferent majority shareholder with no vision or grasp of our rich heritage. Football clubs need more fan representation and ownership. Stan's attitude to fanshare stinks. It's OUR club you leech! We need to reclaim our club.

  8. Alsace Lorraine Du Totteridge

    Nov 20, 2012, 13:32 #28398

    Oooooooh, is there a clique? Is there an initiation ceremony where one chants the mantra, "I wish he had never come and I wish he was dead?". I do hope so. More seriously I'm actually with Mandy Dodd on this occasion. There are some truly terrible owners out there. Kronke would look a lot more acceptable if we could simply get rid of the manager. His support of the luckiest man in football is the only thing which really worries me about him other than the following:- The reason why we are in the present ownership is because Danny Fiszman who effectively owned the club, or at least controlled it, very sadly left us. When he did a buyer for his shares had to be found. When Kroenke goes the same way, where will his shares go? The value of the club is now so enormous, that it isn't easy to find someone with the necessary wedge and a love of the club. Our salvation, if there is to be any, is for the value of our club and of others to be slashed. That can only probably be achieved through the demise of the television contract and the consequential need for administrations amongst all 20 clubs in the premiership. Imagine simply cutting loose our dead wood and having players paid wages which were related to what we brought in through the turnstiles or which we could acquire through ..... winning something.

  9. Red Member

    Nov 20, 2012, 12:40 #28397

    I have been aware of this for about a year now. It is good that more people are also now becoming aware about him. There is no desire from Kroenke and there never will be to win anything at Arsenal. Hopefully the BSM march will be the first step towards the removal of the board which is slowly destroying the club

  10. TheManOnTheTube

    Nov 20, 2012, 11:32 #28396

    It's confirmed - the reason why this fat cat is so 'silent' is because he's embarrassed at his absolute incompotence! Kroenke OUT. Gazidis OUT.

  11. Aaron

    Nov 20, 2012, 10:09 #28395

    There is no correlation between US sports performance and English football. The Glazer owned Tampa Bay Buccaneers have been awful, whilst Manchester United have continued winning trophies. Just because the NY Giants won 2 of the last 5 super bowls, doesn't mean you'd want John Mara to buy your football club

  12. Ron

    Nov 20, 2012, 9:36 #28393

    Mandy - Fair comment and youre right. Having to take 'a better the devil you know' approach rarely reaps dividends in life though does it, in whatever context it occurs.

  13. AFCasap

    Nov 20, 2012, 4:13 #28391

    as kevin whichter so succintly said...oh so true brother by the way.... there is no way an excessively rich man can have got his billions without a lot of others getting screwed (in reference to usmaonv)...righteous words mate...you are not wrong...so so bloody on

  14. Unbeaten 03/04

    Nov 20, 2012, 1:28 #28390

    Kronke won't leave!!! Therfore, there's only one solution don't attend the games and don't spend any money on Arsenal!

  15. GG89

    Nov 20, 2012, 0:07 #28389

    You are missing the WalMart figures on that list... They are in first place every year... He´s not greedy,he´s a collector and never sells... Nina Bracewell Smith, PHW and DF have well and truly fuct us by selling to this Yank, THANKS FOR NOTHING and PHW go now like you yellow bellied ex directors... And all for money.... YUK...

  16. Mandy Dodd

    Nov 19, 2012, 23:24 #28387

    Fair enough questioning stans record with his sports club, but shouldn't aspects of usmanovs life and career and aims for the club be subject to similar scrutiny before wishing as the owner of this club? I have read things that scare me far more about usmanov than anything you have put in here about kronke. I am not saying there is anything wrong with usmanov, as i do not know that there is.....others on the internet say there are issues that would make you question whether you want him running our club..but then again, lots of terrible things were said recently and wrongly of a certain tory grandee so we should not believe all that is out there...but I do know all that glitters is not always gold. It could be that usmanov could be the greatest owner we could possibly have, but it seems many on here are accepting that as a matter of blind faith. Be careful,which owner you wish for, you may not like stan....and cannot say,I am totally sure,on him, but get the wrong owner and you could lose the club, nothing about stan suggests that would happen under him

  17. Big Andy

    Nov 19, 2012, 21:13 #28385

    This article confirms what we've all known for some time now. We will never win the Premier League or the Champions' League with this American owning our club. The tragic thing is that we will not get rid of him while we are still a top-four side - and he will soon begin to take money out of the club. Our only hope is, sadly, that we have a couple of bad seasons (i.e out of the CL qualification. That might force him to sell to Usmanov.

  18. Lewis

    Nov 19, 2012, 19:57 #28382

    Whilst I'm not going to defend Kroenke, don't know enough to do so, I'm going to point out it is highly unlikely he owns sports teams for "greed". As far as money making businesses go even the "cash cow" Arsenal does not produce the same returns he would get from properly investing his money.

  19. Dan h

    Nov 19, 2012, 19:51 #28381

    @Mike with respect comparing markets that deal in transfer fees to trades/drafts really isn't a gage for future performance.Av's average the Rams very very average.NBA team the Nuggets looked competitive what happened the franchise player Carmelo Anthony got traded.The DDT compares OGL to Billy'moneyball'Bean that sadly for people that want to see us push forward is our immediate future.I only hope for us that Mr.Kroenke invests in a baseball team & in doing so sells us at a decent 'moneyball' profit the only sport in the USA he hasn't got his 'tache in.

  20. Wombledin

    Nov 19, 2012, 19:34 #28380

    If we were going to be majority owned by a billionaire, why couldn't we have got one with some balls, like Roman Abrahmovic, who actually wants his hobby team to be the best and gets excited when his team wins. Instead, it seems we've got a remote plastic yank with no love or ambition for the game whatsoever. Have we sold our soul to the devil?

  21. Theo's Bikini-Line

    Nov 19, 2012, 18:58 #28377

    Mike Read: "The only thing that may prevent his plan is the clique on the OG Forum." If that's the case then for the good of Arsenal Football Club (established 1886, for those in doubt) let's all hope that the Online Gooner Forum 'clique' get their wish then!!

  22. Stevesam

    Nov 19, 2012, 18:29 #28376

    " We don't want that sort here " the only wisdom the Old Etonian and ' Merchant Banker ' has got correct.

  23. Mike Reid

    Nov 19, 2012, 18:19 #28375

    Kroenke is a shrewd investor who sees the unlimited potential of Sky money increases along with the soon to be re-negotiated commercial contracts. Being in London Arsenal has an in-built advantage. Add in a brand new stadium and he can't really lose. The only thing that may prevent his plan is the clique on the OG Forum.

  24. Time For Usmanov

    Nov 19, 2012, 18:15 #28374

    Kroenke is a loser who rewards losers.Wenger unbeliveabley £7M a year Gazidis unbeliveabley £2.3m a year for what? For getting a team to finish 4th thats what.4th best team yet highest paid manger.And you yes you the fans are too blame.Kroenke Gazidis and Wenger get such an easy ride from you its unreal.We pay Harrods prices for 99p shop goods

  25. Ron

    Nov 19, 2012, 17:51 #28373

    Im not sure American sports performances can be sensibly compared to the Prem Lge footie mate. Its a very persuasive argument you make though.Perhaps Arsenal have been bought so to throw a few more '4th places' in his reportore. Looks like K has had to leave the States to bag a few of the esteemed 4th's!! Perhaps Wenger will have to go out on secondment to lecture and manage a few of his franchises in the US on 'mental strength' and 'desire' and teach the yanks how to soar to 4th more regularly.They seem to be lost on how to do it. Are they not aborting enough worthwhile other tournaments perhaps?

  26. Bard

    Nov 19, 2012, 15:38 #28370

    Terrific but disturbing post. An extraordinary lack of ambition is at the heart of the article and that's with the equivalent of financial fair play ! I still think its possible to get rid of him. Liverpool got rid of Hicks and co. It's up to us to make the difference. I don't think Arsenal fans will tolerate endless mediocrity. If we don't make the top 4 this year the protests will increase inside and outside the ground.

  27. Mike

    Nov 19, 2012, 14:08 #28368

    The avs and rams are both known as talented but young teams right now. The rams just hired a well respected veteran coach in Jeff Fisher and made a huge trade deal with the redskins last year that loaded them with early draft picks for the next few years. They made some major player acquisitions over the offseason. If Fisher can get his old pal and defensive genius Greg Williams to St Louis next year (which probably will happen), the Rams will definitely be a top-tier contender in the years to come. Also, under kroenke the rapids have opened the largest outdoor soccer complex in the US and were MLS champions in 2010. They missed the playoffs this year but a lot of that can be attributed to a salary cap purge due to back-loaded contracts, a problem that arsenal wouldnt have to deal with under current rules. Then again, it is hard to compare the success of teams in parity driven, revenue-sharing leagues like the NHL, NFL, and MLS (you got the name mixed up in the article) and the insane 'owners' pissing contest' financial model in the prem. salary caps and playoff systems make much harder to guarantee or predict results. Injuries to key players can have bigger impacts. One thing i will say, is that in the leagues over here that are constrained by financial caps and limits (as ffp will do in the future), teams who are well run at the top, have a certain identity or system that they are known for playing, and identify and develop players to fit this system tend to be more successful in the long run (the Pittsburgh Steelers come to mind) Extensive analysis of metrics and in depth statistics have become key for identifying talent and it is catching on in the football world as well now and I'm sure the gunners have a couple lads whose only job is to analyse such thigngs.

  28. vjs

    Nov 19, 2012, 14:00 #28367

    True....very true...

  29. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 19, 2012, 13:57 #28366

    There can be only one reason one man has his snout in so many sporting franchises greed.

  30. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Nov 19, 2012, 13:20 #28365

    Interesting article, confirming what many of us already suspected. I wrote an article in the last issue of The Gooner magazine in which I said that Kroenke is possibly the worst possible option as owner of our Club. His track record is mediocre; He has clearly invested in Arsenal just to boost his portfolio; He hardly ever attends matches; He never communicates with us; He puts profits before trophies; And we seem to be stuck with him!! I sincerely hope that the BSM Protest on 1 December lets him know that most of us are far from happy with the way he is running things.

  31. Der Projekt ist Kaput

    Nov 19, 2012, 13:06 #28364

    For those of you who are satisfied with Arsenal (formed in 1996) being simply a cash cow for the elite, to be milked and milked until dry and then abandoned to its fate - fine. For the rest, I urge you to refuse to accept mediocrity and the line that making up the numbers in competitions is regarded as success. Protest, demonstrate and stand up if you love your club.

  32. Gunner_ace

    Nov 19, 2012, 12:56 #28363

    Its not all bad, I counted two fourth place trophies in that list.

  33. Santa

    Nov 19, 2012, 12:52 #28361

    Best aticle I have seen here in a long time. Being an ice-hockey fan I was aware of the gradual demise of he once-mighty Avalanche under Kroenke, but the information you have collated speaks for itself. Kroenke out!

  34. Tony Evans

    Nov 19, 2012, 12:45 #28360

    Seems to confirm our worst fears.