No Thriller At Villa

Online Ed: Dour point in the Birmingham rain



No Thriller At Villa


At the end of my write-up on Wednesday’s Montpellier match, I wrote, “It was a performance - the goals aside - to forget, but the necessary job was done. Let’s see what visits to Villa Park and Goodison tell us about the ability of this group of players to turn things around and begin to demonstrate some much needed consistency of performance.”

Well, the news isn’t looking good. Granted, the conditions were far from pleasant, a real dog of a day, but there was nothing wrong with the Villa Park pitch, and looking at the home team’s line up, frankly, they were there for the taking. Even when Villa had better teams, Arsene Wenger has frequently won this fixture. I was astonished to learn the last time Arsenal were defeated away to them was the 1998 half-time parachuting Santa Claus game. In a sense the law of averages suggested Arsenal should eventually lose, but Paul Lambert’s current line-up, without Darren Bent, seemed unlikely to do that.

Arsenal, even though the passing was well below par, did manage to fashion enough chances to take all three points, but the finishing was poor, Koscielny’s probably the worst miss. And in fairness to Villa, on opportunities, three points could just as easily have gone to them. They probably deserved a draw for their efforts. However, they are a relegation zone side and Wenger’s team seem to drop a lot of points to such teams, part of the reason they have slipped out of contention for the Premier League title in recent seasons.

Is it the quality of player? Is it the tactics? Is it a lack of motivation? Whatever it is, the solution to this problem does not seem to have been found, and the travelling fans would have been justified in wondering if this was good use of their Saturday.

The yellow and maroon kit came out once again. This was the away strip for the 2010/11 season, and the third kit last season. Someone can enlighten us as to whether this two year old strip has been worn more often than the purple one this season. It certainly feels that way.

Still, the strip is the least of our concerns. What matters now is arresting the decline in Arsenal’s performances of late, as improvement will be needed if the season is to be turned around. Winning at Villa should not be dependent on the appearance of Jack Wilshere and Abou Diaby. There are enough players that are capable of being match winners that started the game. But it’s all gone a bit flat. Wins against Spurs and Montpellier should have sent the team into this match with an attitude to dictate matters and wrap the points up early. Instead, they were largely cancelled out simply by Villa’s energetic harrying, the quality of passing and crossing well below what it should be.

Another poor display at Goodison will add significant numbers to the Black Scarf March before the Swansea match next Saturday. They will protest about the direction the club is taking. A more immediate concern is the direction the team seems to be taking. Every side has the odd poor display, but Arsenal seem to make a habit of them, and don’t seem to win on such days too often either. Change is badly needed if they are to compete credibly again, but how that is going to happen with the current coaching set up is something this observer is struggling to see. I could live with failure if, at least, there was an attempt to do something different, rather than allowing the malaise to simply rumble on, because watching this kind of hapless display on a regular basis is purgatory.

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  1. ed enough....

    Dec 16, 2014, 15:36 #63515

    Pointless article.... Raheem sterling is a s*%t Theo Walcott. Conversation over.

  2. thatsimonrose

    Dec 15, 2014, 17:27 #63444

    Some fantastic comments as usual. I think some of you are just determined to stick an AKB label on anything I write! No point being the 623rd person to say we need a defender and a defensive midfielder. If you've read my Gooner piece from a few issues ago, you'll see I've written about that and how we need more than just a one-player magic wand, we need defensive organisation throughout the team.

  3. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 15, 2014, 0:05 #63395

    Socrates, it's even more amazing how much OGL likes little footballers.

  4. Unchives

    Dec 14, 2014, 19:08 #63375

    @ Jamie, great result, however I put the same question to you as Lee afc, after what's gone by over the last 8 seasons, what would be a great season for you...bear in mind, we have spent £80 million. Please tell...Lee didn't answer.Do you pay to go to the games?

  5. Socrates

    Dec 14, 2014, 13:54 #63351

    Sterling? It's amazing how little some people really understand about football.

  6. JAMIE

    Dec 14, 2014, 9:47 #63319

    Ha ha Ken.Just because everybody doesn't want to join your anti Arsenal dynasty doesn't make them a Tarquin or a tourist.Tell me Ken who are the Tarquins the fans who support the team through good and bad or the cry babies who only attend when the teams winning and victory parades.You people think you're so tough and proper Arsenal with all these silly catch phrases,go scarper off Ken Barbie's waiting.

  7. Ozzie

    Dec 14, 2014, 7:46 #63306

    ****e, we've got em singing his praises again. What do the authorities put in the water over there in England? It must be the fluoride that's affecting people's memories. Maybe it's the cell phones?

  8. Ken

    Dec 14, 2014, 0:49 #63305

    JAMIE- The fact that those Tarquins and tourists who make up the vast majority of matchday customers inhabiting the soulless bowl will forever adore their glorious leader has never been in dispute. You may get a very different response from the clearly thousands of fans who decided to leave their seats empty tonight.

  9. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 14, 2014, 0:34 #63304

    Bard 66690, good post, and as you can see it's no surprise it has sailed right over certain heads, but not unexpected.

  10. JAMIE

    Dec 13, 2014, 23:49 #63303

    Excellent performance with Wenger showing yet again how he's always one step ahead of his critics.Particularly liked the anti AAA chanting which like the old Ashley chants was not politically correct but highly amusing amd the chorus of 'there's only one Arsene Wenger' showed that the majority are still very much behind the boss.

  11. Th14afc

    Dec 13, 2014, 23:37 #63302

    Great result today and great performance,one of the only times this season that I have actually enjoyed watchin arsenal for a full 90 mins....unchives- I agree with u,we hav had this for 8 years of up & down so I'm not getting carried away....I did enjoy wenger getting his song sang by the crowd tho as i think it was out of order the abuse he took last weekend at the train station,basically abusing a 65 year old man,the most succesful manager our club has ever know it was a disgrace....jeff wrong,were u at stoke train station last Saturday?ha

  12. Bard

    Dec 13, 2014, 23:26 #63301

    Lee; that was a very funny post mate. My thought was more of the last man standing variety. Our injury list is looking close to crisis point. Im very excited, I sense I have a chance of making a debut as a s sub. What do you reckon Lee, I haven't pulled a hamstring or anything else in 20 years how good is that.

  13. DW Thomas

    Dec 13, 2014, 23:21 #63300

    Lets not get all misty eyed because we beat a poor Newcastle side with a 2nd string goalie. To be sure a great win, but lets analyze why. First, no plodding Ramsey in midfield. Ox and Cazorla played well. Santi is hitting form again after 25+ games with no goals. Ox will be a star given time. His driving with the ball was immense. Second, Debuchey was good, a true defender. And Bellerin was solid. Third, Giroud played better than maybe I've ever seen him. Two great goals. But can he do that when it really matters vs better defenders? Jury still out. Lastly, Sanchez as always a revelation. Wenger's team talk should simply be: follow Alexis's lead, play with his intensity and tenacity. We'll beat most teams if ALL our players play like him,his energy and effort. We have some big games coming up. I we can build momentum, get our best guys back, maybe we can compete for something. However, I have feeling wins like this only vindicate Arsene. In his mind he is thinking this is the Arsenal way, and he can win all games like this. We all that's not true. Tougher challenges ahead. Liverpool, West Ham, and Southhampton away soon. Win those and I'll start believing in this team again.

  14. Unchives

    Dec 13, 2014, 23:17 #63299

    @ Lee afc, we've had this for 8 years..up down..up down results. Are you a kid? As you know we won the FA CUP...Just. What would you expect as success or improvement this season after spending over £80 million. Stop with the wind-up comments and tell us what you would consider as success at the end of this season?...Please tell.

  15. Lee afc

    Dec 13, 2014, 22:55 #63298

    The old negatives are going to be quiet over the next few days. it's days like these that you wipe the anti Arsenal off the bottom of your shoe....eh Maguire, bard, hiccup, Jeff, jj, dwt etc.....

  16. Roy

    Dec 13, 2014, 22:35 #63297

    Best performance of the season I thought. Now we need to translate that into a solid showing at Anfield, whatever the result. If we can't do that, then it's all been for nothing as Liverpool are no great shakes, but also badly need the result and will be up for it. Huge 6 pointer for the 4th place trophy.

  17. Badarse

    Dec 13, 2014, 22:29 #63296

    By the way lads, JAMIE is on the helpline if you need a sympathetic ear, so as a reminder just ring: 018 41 41. Anyone for eggy soldiers?

  18. Badarse

    Dec 13, 2014, 22:05 #63295

    Well Bard, I guess I am a no-brainer, because as much as I loved Fabregas, and I still think he is a class apart, though some would disagree, I believed it was ridiculous to put up for sale a current player who was possibly an 8 out of ten man, burn all our bridges if it didn't happen,(he would have been a diluted player then had he been forced to stay knowing he wasn't wanted), to get a 9 out of ten man, who had a negative departure. The man may not have done it either; the old adage of never going back suits perfectly, also the principle was a factor, surely?. I do still think that there is a place for them, especially at AFC in a corrupt and dying society, though possibly they don't figure so high with yourself in terms of currency, (not that you don't have them, I hasten to add). Santi? Check your recent history. He has played really well in the last four games and am really pleased with him. As for Giroud not scoring against the top sides, well that's a point but only a tenuous one. Some sides set up to thwart a certain style of player, and top sides have a better deployment to make sure it happens. Some are just unfortunate and only score against certain teams, or do have weaknesses against a faster, more stolid defensive approach. Drogba netted a bagful against us because our style was prone to his remarkable ability. You also know much of what I post is a micky-take, so the, 'I told you so', was just a wind-up, as you well know. So, is that sunny side up?

  19. Westlower

    Dec 13, 2014, 21:51 #63294

    Given the circumstances of the past week it was a good performance. Szczesny making an important double save probably deflated Newcastle but we scored three smashing goals. Good to see Debuchy & Giroud back in the team. Another promising display from Road Runner Bellerin, what pace the lad has. Different test at Anfield next week. Maybe if we play to our attacking strengths we will come away with at least a point.

  20. Bard

    Dec 13, 2014, 21:09 #63293

    Baddie, I was just about agreeing with you until you came over all, I told you so. It was a really good performance but thats all it was it means nothing in the grand scheme of things. The fact that Santi had a good game doesnt wipe out the garbage he has been playing all season. The more relevant question to me is should we have sold him and replaced him with Cesc who has been playing brilliantly all season. That question was a no brainer if ever there was one. Incidentally if Giroud scores a brace against one of the big sides I will be the first up to admit I was wrong but suspect Im on good ground there.

  21. Ron

    Dec 13, 2014, 20:21 #63292

    Smashing performance by the lads. Pressed hard from the middle to protect the back line and they got back and kept their shape as and when needed. I did get the impression that the Toon didnt really believe they could win, but the important thing id that they were given no encouragement to think it. 4 excellent goals. The thing is and this is important, i would say this even had we lost 0-1. Why? because they fought, sweated, chased and harried, no shirkers and gave it 100% for their supporters and their Coach. A supporter cant really ask for more in my book win lose or draw. Well done team. Well done Arsene. End of. Nuff said.

  22. Badarse

    Dec 13, 2014, 20:12 #63291

    'And so this is Xmas, and what have we done? Just beaten Newcastle, by a score of 4-1!' Trouble with this Arsenal, they are boring by winning by the same score line in two consecutive matches.How I hate this tippy tappy, magnificent beautiful football, but all against top ten low opposition, just flat track bullies. Blame that on two pints of Abbot bitter, and for a tea-totaller it is powerful and dangerous medicine. Good old Arsenal, what a joyous evening in store. See I can still cut it, albeit with perhaps a blunter knife, ha ha. Good old Arsenal. Well done Arsene. Giroud a carthorse? You can't see true talent my friends. Santi needs dumping? He has played out of his skin since and including the Moan U game. Please try to absorb what is in front of you gentlemen. Your views and perceptions are interesting and no doubt worthwhile but try to stay on the pitch with your odd pronouncements. jj, you were right to pop to the shops to buy another two dozen eggs. Meringues, anyone? Ho, ho, ho.

  23. QuartzGooner

    Dec 13, 2014, 19:50 #63290

    I like Sterling; fast, tricky, positive, able to play across the front three and with World Cup experience. The Arsenal squad is overloaded with similar players, but Sterling is very good at bringing team-mates into the game, playing passes that create chances. If some of our similar players moved away in the summer, I would hope we would bid for Sterling if he was for sale. It is not impossible that Podolski, Campbell and Rosicky leave in the summer. And who knows if Ozil will be with us next season? Also, with Coquelin, Diaby, Arteta and Flamini all near the end of their contracts, we may see Wilshere play deeper, leaving more space in the squad for player of Sterling's type. It would give us a very competitive attacking and wide midfield; Sanchez, Walcott, Welbeck, Cazorla, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Maitland-Niles, Gnabry and possibly Wellington Silva? Of course though, our current squad cries out for a centre-back and a defensive midfield addition in the January window.

  24. Unchives

    Dec 13, 2014, 19:22 #63289

    Great performance by the lads.....and dare I say it, good at the back.COYG!

  25. Badarse

    Dec 13, 2014, 16:57 #63288

    Afternoon Ron, yeah Sky and all their assorted Bertie Bassetts. Quo, oh dear oh dear, cannot conceive of them figuring in a musical conversation of mine. DWT I am Asbestos man, and have been in the kitchen for the last two hours, (plus), preparing a huge Ruby dinner. We are going to watch the game at a relative's who came out of hospital yesterday and the family are helping out-cooking Indian food I do best, so a nice Ruby evening and hopefully a good performance from the lads. I do think you, and most others, misconstrue most aspects of the discussions and positions people take up. If it's not me getting an ear-bashing for spurious reasons it's dear young westlower. He mentions something and people look to jump on him, he must have had more on his back than Nijinsky. What a horse 24601? Colin Bell was a thoroughbred too, Ron, unbelievable engine too. Am with you jj, I think Robert Pires was one of the greatest ever, would have had far more acclaim had he arrived a handful of years after both the Iceman and Titi. I have many alter egos DWT, Fireman Sam springs to mind, so no problems with heat for me, and especially at this time of year, I shall be making a list of who has been naughty or nice, so say no more.

  26. Westlower

    Dec 13, 2014, 15:51 #63287

    Hiccup, Not having ever bet on a football coupon I can only believe that Bookies honour the odds as printed. The single markets I bet on are dynamic with the odds changing by sheer weight of money bet. The bookies react accordingly by adjusting the odds. As I type this no bookie is offering 7/1 Newcastle, the odds vary between 11/2 and 13/2 depending on the bookie of your choice. Once the game kicks off the IN PLAY odds change radically as goals are scored. So far this afternoon I've been able to back West Ham at 5.2/1, the draw at 2.8/1 & Sunderland @ 2.6/1 as the odds fluctuate to reflect the latest score. Whatever the final outcome I'm guaranteed to make a profit.

  27. DW Thomas

    Dec 13, 2014, 14:26 #63286

    Baddie, can't take the heat...get out of the kitchen? Your posts always make me wonder what a beer and conversation with you would be like. Interesting to say the least. I have anger only at one thing. Not real, deep rooted anger or hate. Just the kind that goes with being a fan of a team. My trouble is that our manager continues to spout off delusions of grandeur because he once in far far away land, a long time ago, won some trophies. The club allow him all control and power, yet his results are not good enough, at least for those of us who deem winning as the goal. To compete with the very best like Dortmund and Athletico have done recently. We are a club rich in history and treasure, in a great old historic city. Yet we can't ever compete? To the end? I do not wallow in my negativity, though might not notice from my posts. Even search my name on this site and you'll find many articles I wrote that didn't call for his removal. Love him or not, Arsene is past it. That I think would be my next title if I was bothered to submit another one. I just don't have the energy or desire to repeat all the points, facts, results, Wenger quotes that point/support the case for change.

  28. Ron

    Dec 13, 2014, 14:10 #63285

    Well, actually Baddie, i read only this AM that Rossi of the Quo is playing a new guitar, the first one for 46 Years! Seems his his 1956 Fender is headed for the great guitar rack in the sky. That could explain why hes only ever used 3 chords all these years and is this the Sky you speak of matey?

  29. Big Andy

    Dec 13, 2014, 13:46 #63284

    I think we should sign Sterling and play him at centre-half.

  30. Badarse

    Dec 13, 2014, 13:41 #63283

    Hello boys and girls. So much anger, rancour, vitriol and sugared peanuts, from so many posts. Fraud, senile, old, old, b.....s, and BS, hate him, hate them midgets, no bottle, overpaid and over here, way he runs, smiles, sneers, speaks, players and the manager all are full of tosh and hate each other-and I hate them, quite a lot. They will argue, rant, and complain. All deceit and smoke with mirrors. Overpriced, empty bowl, selfie fools, phoning JCLs and tourists, eating, drinking, leaving early. Too quiet, no atmosphere, hate it all so much. Oh how I hate TV especially Sky, and don't get me started on the pundits, talk radio is sh*te unless it's a halfwit complaining about all those that I really hate quite a bit, and all those ex player w....rs, feathering their nests, keeping it unreal, just to stay in line with the status quo, oh how I hate that quo! The Board are just planks. How I hate the owner and the food at that horrible 'never 6ok' stadium. How I really, really hate Arsenal. Now with that off my chest to the cat I think I'll put an insulting post on the Online Gooner.

  31. maguiresbridge

    Dec 13, 2014, 13:23 #63282

    DWT, good post we'll never be distracted from the real issue mate, and it/he will be continued to be discussed, debated, ridiculed, and won't be, or allowed to, go away any time soon (it's not that he's going to give us any reason not to ) and it will be the same tonight and tomorrow regardless of the result until this old has been of a manager does us all a favour.

  32. KC

    Dec 13, 2014, 12:57 #63281

    I am not like many fans on here so anti Wenger I see nothing positive in the man, I actually see a great deal and find many posts on here as screwball as many of the AKBs posts. But then along comes his press conference and I just seethe with anger, agreed I judge Wenger by actions not words but after all the so called disrespect this week I found his statement totally disrespectful. Our weaknesses are known to all and now he is pretending we may one day have a fully fit squad and we are judging him game to game. No no no the judgement comes from years of the same weaknesses, mistakes and goal gifting defence and to talk about a fit squad when we have so many injury prone not good enough players is plain stupid. Arrogant and deluded come to mind again and with such a belief no end in sight of a team with no base to play from hence never challenging.

  33. Jason B

    Dec 13, 2014, 12:18 #63280

    I'm sure Arsenal could sign him but he is not the solution to our problems at the back.

  34. Hiccup

    Dec 13, 2014, 11:15 #63279

    Westie, are you telling me that all the weekend football coupons in all bookmakers apart from William Hill have been replaced this morning with updated odds for the arsenal game? That's some major operation.

  35. Westlower

    Dec 13, 2014, 9:21 #63278

    Hiccup, You know me well, as once again I can update the previous figure of 53.5% to 57.7%. I've added in the returns for 2014 (my best year ever) since I posted yesterday. The bookies have lowered their odds on a Newcastle win and only William Hill offer 7/1. Newcastle have conceded no more than one goal in their last 6 PL games, so Arsenal will do well to win today.

  36. Westlower

    Dec 13, 2014, 9:04 #63277

    Is this team of unavailable players better than the team that'll play Newcastle? Ospina; Jenkinson; Chambers; Koscielny; Monreal; Ramsey; Arteta; Wilshere; Rosicky; Walcott; Ozil?

  37. Hiccup

    Dec 13, 2014, 8:51 #63276

    Westie, 53.5% is some return! Is that the confirmed figure, as your posts are usually followed with an amended correction that has still to be delivered?

  38. dirkus

    Dec 13, 2014, 8:25 #63275

    Yet another "tricky" English winger who flatters to deceive. Pennant, Lennon and to an extent Theo. Still waiting. Even at his press conference yesterday the deluded one said we don't need to sign one if everyone's fit. So in the 6-0, 5-1 and 3-0 defeats last season our defence was virtually same and he has replaced TV5. Arteta was bought as a poor man's panic buy when Cesc left and he's 3-4 yrs older and made club captain, Arsene didn't think Flamini was good enough in 2006 to give a new contract but now older and slower he's our saviour! The blokes a NUTTER!

  39. FPGooner

    Dec 13, 2014, 2:56 #63274

    An irrelevant article. Wenger despite his fetish and predilection for effeminate midgets in midfield, will steer clear of this dud. More insanity from OGL telling fans to ‘do their job’. Are we witnessing the final collapse into a shameful, quivering emotional mess of a once great manager? How do I put this simply, Mr. Wenger? We all have our jobs, albeit not paid anywhere near the princely amount you are paid and paid in part from our aforementioned jobs. Your job? As a start, start managing the club. Get some help by asking your wife to stick one or two books in your stocking this Christmas along the lines of ’Tactics for Dummies’ or ‘How to stop getting crucified by any football team in the top 6, in 24 Hours’. I may have not worked ‘one minute’ in football management but after 10 years in a row, I may start realising that players will get injured and it may be a good idea to sign some players occasionally, but ideally players not fresh from performing in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs christmas panto. Not sure if you remember a farcical match against Reading where we won 7-5. Two of our players chucked their shirts into the crowd thinking we had won and then humiliatingly had to ask for them back. Not sure if you remember those two brain donors. One was Chamakh, with whom you persevered with for so long, when it was painfully obvious, even to my mother-in-law, that he wasn’t good enough to be a ball-boy. The second brain of Britain that day was Coquelin, the same guy earmarked to put on an Arsenal shirt again (ok, he may chuck it into the crowd at half-time). Wenger, it is surely within your grasp to understand why other managers are being nice to you. They don’t fear or respect you, they merely humour you now.

  40. DW Thomas

    Dec 13, 2014, 0:54 #63273

    Sterling is kind of the poster child of spoiled athlete,for me. We should be asking why aren't we signing our own Matic? Wenger's comments re his 180 CL games and how Arsenal didn't play many before him coupled with comment saying Ramsey was near back to his form last season is agin evidence of his extreme arrogance and utter delusion. I am so sick of his self serving bs. He has now become the anchor keeping this club in Mediocre Bay! He has been left to long steering the SS Failure ship that is now OUR CLUB! All this talk of betting b..locks and running styles is just more distraction fom the real issues. We never compete anymore for real trophies! The club in 10 years have gone from being kings of the PL to has beens who are run by a stale old man. And some fans take it like mugs. When Arsenal fans stop fighting and all realize he has held and is holding the club back, things may change. Until that awakening we have to put up with his nonsense. Sterling? You're having a laugh!!!

  41. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 13, 2014, 0:18 #63272

    jw, indeed I guess the managers of other clubs are just like they're fans, they want TOF to stay too, like I said earlier he comes in handy. The love in won't last long either especially if we're beat after the big bad referee follows orders and gives the manager of the month some contentions decisions you'll definitely see a lovers tiff, and if it really goes tits up for us you'll see Pardew leading the call for him to get another ten years.

  42. Rose Tinter

    Dec 12, 2014, 23:34 #63271

    Usual utter guff from the secondary part of Arsene Wenger's rectum, aka Simon Rose. Fresh from his now-legendary article last year in preseason when he claimed Arsene would "strike while the iron is hot" whilst the major teams all changed manager (how'd that go then?)....the joker is back! Now what is EVERYONE that supports Arsenal debating? Answer: the incompetence of the overpaid Specialist In Failure. So what does Simon Rose do? Write garbage in a desperate attempt to distract, and change topic. It's pathetic. Wenger is THE major problem and we shan't rest until we force him out. Sterling? This joke manager could sign Aguero tomorrow and he'd still finish 4th

  43. jeff wright

    Dec 12, 2014, 22:48 #63270

    Hiccup ,I doubt that it will all end amicably between the odd couple ,the fact though that Wenger needs cretins like Pardew to back him says it all . What next Fat Sam inviting Wenger to the 'ammers xmas do ? As for the game it self I will be giving any betting on the outcome a swerve. Some things are best left alone.Que sera sera...

  44. exiled&dangerous

    Dec 12, 2014, 22:47 #63269

    I would have loved to have read the whole article and the ensuing list of comments but as soon as the author mentioned the "multiples of a thousand pounds a week" bit and started to try and justify it, well, I started to feel that little old blood vessel about to burst, so I flicked over to youtube to listen to "Sugarcane Jane" for a while. Everything's alright, now.

  45. Kevin Kong

    Dec 12, 2014, 22:46 #63268

    Liverpools Jermaine Pennant? No thanks.

  46. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 12, 2014, 21:26 #63267

    Just watched TOF singing let it go from Disney movie frozen (courtesy gunnerblog)on yahoo if any body hasn't I suggest you do, brilliant.

  47. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 12, 2014, 19:47 #63265

    Hiccup, word has it he's being sponsored by Bostic, they go out and squeeze some on his seat five minutes before kick off, and the longer he stays there the bigger his bonus.

  48. jjetplane

    Dec 12, 2014, 19:30 #63264

    MG softening him up for the slaughter. Wenger will love that poetry of having the Wok named after him. Bit like The Shard, calling it The Fraud. See Giroud sitting with Sir Arsene (you could not make it up) at a press conference saying 'Chelsea can be overhauled' looking every inch a top top (porn) star only needing the other to be wearing a seedy zip up and voila! I am just mixing the eggs in readiness for tomorrow evening. A rare ritual but one nonetheless. WESTIE's caution tells me Arsene fc will play them off the park. Crafty like that. Been there, done that, got the 'sheep'skin .... Good old Pardew.

  49. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 12, 2014, 18:43 #63261

    Thank goodness Pardew isn't under as much pressure for a win as he was weeks ago having gotton himself back in favour with the fans for a while anyway having got some good results and done something our supposedly superior manager can't and never has (and probably never will) put one over on Maureen. No doubt like all the other managers he had been scouring the fixtures saying to himself I need three points to help me get the pressure off and shut everybody up, then he gets to Sat 13th, ah Arsenal and dear old no tactics arsene and his one dimensional midgets who don't like it up em, he clasps his hands and says thank you God. Now on a roll and fresh from been named manager of the month, and showing TOF love he might be thinking differently and roll over and let him tickle his belly, or maybe not.

  50. Westlower

    Dec 12, 2014, 17:44 #63260

    @Hiccup, Your image of me is well wide of the mark but reality is that I make a good living from betting. Not too many can say that. I've made a profit every year for the past 10 years, averaging 53.5% per year profit on turnover, tax free. You may get a chuckle out of taking the piss but it's me who's laughing all the way to the bank.

  51. Hiccup

    Dec 12, 2014, 17:21 #63259

    Maybe so Ron, but the conflicting information between jeff and Westie is as muddled and confusing as a post match wenger interview. Ain't got the foggiest where to place my ten bob bet?

  52. David Baddiel

    Dec 12, 2014, 17:11 #63258

    See those girls who run like this ? That's you, that is.

  53. Ron

    Dec 12, 2014, 17:09 #63257

    Hiccup - Cut Westie some slack mate, hes probably tired. What with playing Bridge on Wednesday night and then biking home for half ten, his betting performance for Saturday is bound to be compromised.

  54. Hiccup

    Dec 12, 2014, 17:04 #63256

    Yes, looks like jeff is the man to ask in the future. Done a fourfold on the game: 0-15 mins wenger to have accomplished zipping his jacket up. 15-30 mins wenger to be manhandling the 4th official. 45-60 mins wenger to be in Pardew's face telling him to stop celebrating. Full time wenger not to shake Pardew's hand. 20/1. What you reckon jeff?

  55. Mike

    Dec 12, 2014, 16:50 #63255

    Newcastle have the same points as us which would back up Westies concerns with the odds

  56. jjetplane

    Dec 12, 2014, 16:50 #63254

    Did I just read a post where Jeff in so many words instructed WESTIE to fish out all his old back copies of the Racing Post and start from the beginning? Phew! That was under the radar. Now re the modern player being viewed as a slagggg. Know a few ladies who play, do combat, run and they also use terminology of 'runs like a bird who's drunk too much'. Funny enough my favourite Mr Pires ran like a duck as RON also pointed out once. Mind you, there are one or two 'old birds' posting on here .... HIcCup all eyes on the dug out - PPower should be on that like a rash.

  57. Hiccup

    Dec 12, 2014, 16:47 #63253

    Westie, looks like you're getting the excuses in before a ball has been kicked. For someone that uses bookies odds as gospel and as a source for all your arguments, seems strange that you would contend odds that put arsenal in a very good light against a mid table outfit?

  58. Westlower

    Dec 12, 2014, 16:33 #63252

    It'll be against recent trends if there's an early goal tomorrow. Arsenal haven't scored in the first half of any of their previous 6 PL games. Newcastle are the only team who haven't scored in the first 30 minutes this season. Odds on 0-0 at half time are 9/4. Arsenal have conceded a goal from the first shot on target in 7 of their 15 PL games. Against Man U they were a goal down (own goal) before the first shot on target made it 2-0. Fingers crossed Newcastle don't get a shot on target!

  59. jjetplane

    Dec 12, 2014, 16:27 #63251

    Stan here. Arsene is unhappy with some of the supporters and i for one can see why. Can't I? Anyway Simon, Hope you enjoyed Colorado and this just the kind of stuff we need to write more of. Takes the heat off what you, me and Arsene are here for. Supporters are just romantics. Give em enough pizza and they will go home happy. Good words Simon and give my son a call if you need anything. We could take this Stirling guy and maybe give them Jack or Theo. Well done!

  60. Barnaby

    Dec 12, 2014, 16:19 #63250

    Its quite simple really, we don't need sterling, what happens if Wenger reads this article and thinks sterling is the player we've needed!!!

  61. Hiccup

    Dec 12, 2014, 16:17 #63249

    Anyone got the available odds of wenger getting out the dugout this weekend?

  62. jeff wright

    Dec 12, 2014, 15:37 #63248

    Hi Ron, I'm expecting us to beat Newcattle as well ,they got lucky against the chavs last weekend at home with Maureen's crew not taking their chances.That's the only way I can see Pardew getting anything from the game against us if we do like wise.

  63. Ron

    Dec 12, 2014, 15:26 #63247

    Hi Jeff - The Toon dont travel well do they. I reckon the Arsenal will see them off quite easily. This run of the Toons is just a temporary and fortunate respite for Pardew. It ll end soon enough and it wont be long before Pards effigies are once more burning brightly in the Toon. Unless of course Westies 'tiredness'has some thing to say in the matter. Respecting that Turkey for a Wed night light training frolic occured and it's so far, far away in a modern, all needs catered for jet.

  64. jeff wright

    Dec 12, 2014, 15:14 #63246

    Westie, these odds are contrived for the weekend football coupon punters , doing perms and accumulators, they are worked out a week or so before the games are played . They don't take account of current form or injuries .That's why so many of these odds on bets can come unstuck . I can't see many big-hitters getting on us at 4/9 with single wagers and this suits the bookies anyway they prefer punters doing doubles and trebles or multi bets .With 3 poss results in every game played the bookies are laughing all the way to the bank .

  65. Ron

    Dec 12, 2014, 14:51 #63245

    CT - He d escape Rodgers and join the rest of the tattooed and burgeoning english fraternity at the N7 rehab and leisure Club wouldn't he?

  66. Unchives

    Dec 12, 2014, 14:42 #63244

    Wenger has already started back tracking regarding signings in January in his press conference. He said a signing is dependant upon the Injury to Kos. Just Unbelievable!

  67. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 12, 2014, 14:26 #63243

    TJ, good post and point, that was very conveniently left out and the fans unrest over ticket issues highlighted, what unrest would that be? are fans fighting with each other at games over ticket prices? are the fans holding banners over ticket prices? are the banners been confiscated over ticket prices? is the manager being booed and barracked because of ticket prices? whether some like it or not the only major issue at this club at this moment and time is the old fraud of a manager.

  68. Westlower

    Dec 12, 2014, 14:16 #63242

    @Jeff, I cannot believe the bookies have factored in the decimated state of Arsenal's defence. Possibly made up of 3 full backs + BFG or a rookie CB. At current odds AFC cannot be 69% (4/9) certain to win compared to Newcastle 12.5% (7/1). Throw in a weeks rest on top of beating CFC a bet on Newcastle is a great insurance bet if it goes tits up. @Badarse, I always back a filly than shows a graceful action. Coquelin has been recalled from loan at Charlton, possible starter tomorrow?

  69. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 12, 2014, 14:10 #63241

    The young English talent we have mined hasn't exactly set the place alight, and if he's been talking to any of them i'd imagine he'd stay where he is or go somewhere else. But if all he'd have to do is get it at least reasonably right then TOF and his followers would be happy (yes that would be about right). So before we talk about mining more we'd be better off getting a manager who can coach them properly and can and would get the best out of them and make sure they do it 100% right or better.

  70. Ron

    Dec 12, 2014, 14:02 #63239

    R/K - i just find Walcott annoying per se mate, even more so when he gives his spiel to the media and esp so when he speaks of his 'mates' 'Wayne' and 'Stevie', who the former, im fairly well convinced thinks Walcott s not a lot of use based on how he never fails to pass to others and not Walcott unless its absolutely unavoidable.

  71. CT Gooner

    Dec 12, 2014, 13:57 #63238

    I do like Sterling as a player, but the point I'd like to hear others view on is "why would he sign for Arsenal?". To me, Arsenal does not represent much of a change for him. Another club struggling for 4th, some CL group stage games, occasional cup run. No, if 100k a week is the price, he can pick from any of the clubs you mentioned. And recall, Arsenal are the club who like to take the Real and Barca rejects, paying them similar inflated salaries to their previous owners. So even if he was the right player, and the price was right, he wouldn't came to Islington....

  72. Ron

    Dec 12, 2014, 13:49 #63237

    Baddie - True about Bergy mate. I also used to appreciate the sublime way he would gently glide his elbow into Savage's and Ruddocks teeth as and when required or anybody else who 'qualified' for his tender mercies for that matter. Ooh how i miss Bergy. Loved him Baddie. What a mix of skill and cynicism he had. Italy served him well in that regard on his own admission. We should employ him as our non flying 'cynicism Coach'if nothing else. We have a few players who if they had it, their game would improve by 25%. Its vital in all sports, not only football to have in one's locker.

  73. Peter Wain

    Dec 12, 2014, 13:34 #63234

    we have better players than Sterling so why spend money on him. OGL has now decreed that if Kos is fit we don't need to buy anyone. I think he must be joking. We desparately need at least a defensive midfield player (preferably two) and at least one centre half. Other wise injury or not ( and with our record the chances of injuries is a certainty not a possibility) we will continue to lose to Swansea and Stoke. Wenger just does not learn any lessons in defeat. Wenger will not change tactics or invest in players and he should be sacked now.

  74. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 12, 2014, 13:33 #63233

    There's a player touting himself about at the minute a hell of a lot cheaper, and right up the old frauds street and would be more like it, i can see TOF licking his lips now, Emile Heskey.

  75. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 12, 2014, 13:23 #63232

    Well the fact he's now been mentioned and talked about will make sure we never see him in an Arsenal shirt, remember if the fans want some thing (player, position/positions filled, etc), they'll definitely not get it as the old fraud listens to no one or takes advice from no one, and would rather do the opposite just to show he's boss.

  76. radfordkennedy

    Dec 12, 2014, 13:05 #63230

    Ron..Torbay..it's that bloody jog that Theo does coupled with that sneer of a high born sioux chief that irritates me...as for Ramsey I feel for the lad,I've never known a player who needs so many games maybe 10 or 12 to recover after an injury and regain sharpness.

  77. Badarse

    Dec 12, 2014, 13:04 #63229

    Well done Ron, for what it's worth I am really into aesthetics and complimented a young Norwegian runner recently. She is in her thirties and runs very reminiscently of how my daughter ran, such feline movements. As in all sports or disciplines when I see a naturally controlled or graceful action I am in awe. It really is a form of poetry in motion to me. Like Bergy gliding across the pitch and delicately rolling a carpet-slipper pass into the run of a teammate. Pure joy. Simple things for simple minds, eh?

  78. Ron

    Dec 12, 2014, 13:03 #63228

    How many of those of repeated absentees will be genuinely missed? Walcott and Wilshere have been totally or mainly off the scene for two years nigh on. Gnabry, never an established player anyway and has disappeared anyway and unseen since lord knows when, Rosicky? Do i need to comment? Monreal, Ozil and Arteta? Have their respective performances over the last 12 months really made you wary when they're not available? Surely not.Its so easy to reel off names like that but the practical effect is minimal. Where s Diaby's name. His absence is as relevant. Kos, with all of his inbuilt liabilities is the only genuine miss.

  79. Ron

    Dec 12, 2014, 12:49 #63226

    Ha Baddie - point taken. I do and have for years run frequent Halfs and the odd Marathon (bi annually) though mate, more often than not for The Heart Foundation or my local hospice. Wasnt intending to be sexist at all and have every respect for women's sports but as Torbay points out, that drag queen run aka Lennon and Co annoys the hell out of me.

  80. jeff wright

    Dec 12, 2014, 12:46 #63225

    Sterling has shown nothing special this season at a time when Liverpool needed him to do so.I don't see him as being a player that we are crying out for. So it's 4/9 on for us to beat Pardew's foreign legion ! We probably will do but that is still a mugs bet. Ramsey deja vu last season injured at a vital time he is another lightweight who is always injured .This season though his absence can't be used for an excuse because,wonder goal against Galatasaray or not, he has been mediocre in the Prem.

  81. Hiccup

    Dec 12, 2014, 12:45 #63224

    Sterling signing for us because he can earn more money, by AKB definition, makes him a mercenary, non? Now from what I've learnt on here from the AkB's, players moving away from arsenal for bigger wages, makes them unloyal scum. Is that the type if player we want? Be interesting to see what Jamie has to say on this? Actually, scratch that. It wouldn't be interesting at all!

  82. Badarse

    Dec 12, 2014, 12:33 #63223

    Oh Ron, 'run like schoolgirls', such a sexist statement buddy. You do so well, then the medication wears off and here we go again. It's obvious you haven't been anywhere near running clubs or seen top female runners training, even the youngsters. Why even Arsenal Ladies are there for you to witness. The 'effeminate' style talked of is a man-made phenomenon. We have subjugated and brainwashed females into being the images we as men expect, running like Jerry Lewis, (no young Guns, not Carl), is the ultimate idea of being female foisted on the girls. Any who run naturally are vilified, in the kindest and subtlest, but sly fashion, they are 'Tom Boys'. At our sledge runs in the last snow there were two girls-perhaps ten or eleven who squealed non stop. They clearly believed it somehow endearing and their daft male adult chaperone smiled benignly. I would have had a word. It's where it all goes wrong. Now a bit of genuflecting on your part and the season of goodwill continues-only kidding fella, difficult to teach an old dog new tricks, but you were advising me the other day to get up to date. I can't stand Drag artists by the way, unless they are being dragged along by their wigs.

  83. foxinthebox2001

    Dec 12, 2014, 12:17 #63222

    If we sign Sterling it would mean one of the current players would be out of the picture, barely getting a game, and on too high wages to ship him out to a club who would not offer him half as much. Now that sounds familiar.

  84. Westlower

    Dec 12, 2014, 12:14 #63221

    News coming through that Ramsey could be out until the New Year with a hamstring problem. Add to that Kos, Monreal, Arteta, JW, Ozil, Rosicky; Gnabry, Theo + Chambers suspended, tomrrows team will be along the lines of: Szczesny; Bellerin; BFG; Debuchy; Gibbs; Flamini; Ox; Cazorla; Sanchez; Giroud; Wellbeck. Coming off the back of a trip to Turkey it ain't gonna be easy? Hard to believe the bookies have AFC at 4/9 & Newcastle, free from a midweek game, at 7/1?

  85. Charlie George Orwell

    Dec 12, 2014, 12:12 #63220

    Why don’t we do a double swoop for Sterling and Lambert? Then Sterling can be used as a makeshift Centre Back and Lambert can slot into a defensive midfielder role. Vive L’Anglaterre!

  86. AMG

    Dec 12, 2014, 12:09 #63219

    I'd also like to point out that Joel Campbell is a more accomplished player than Sterling, he can't get a look in. More Joel, less Cazorla please.

  87. Mikey59

    Dec 12, 2014, 12:02 #63218

    Usual rubbish from Rose tinted. Sterling certainly fits the Arsene profile, lightweight, headless and gets very tired. As someone's already said an article just to wind us all up.

  88. Ron

    Dec 12, 2014, 11:27 #63216

    Torbay - a few of them do that running style. Robin Van Persie is another. He invented it! It does irritate but so much about football and so many of those in it are as effeminate as Danny La Rue nowadays so they may as well run like schoolgirls.In fact Danny La Rues wigs are better than some of the hair styles. - im talking to you Sterling and the selfie taking goalkeeper at Arsenal (whose name i can never spell and who isn't worth the time and effort of checking it)

  89. Badarse

    Dec 12, 2014, 10:51 #63212

    Quite a balanced article, despite the clamour of AKB drivel from some posts. Personally I think he is just a shooting star, which will burn out very soon. Not my type of player, and no chance thankfully, of coming to Arsene Wenger Stadium. Sorry lads, it's just the devil in me.

  90. Torbay gooner

    Dec 12, 2014, 10:48 #63211

    Sorry Simon, as others have said he is not the type of player we need, Walcott is better. He also runs in an rather effeminate manner a la Aaron Lennon, which I find strangely irritating!

  91. AMG

    Dec 12, 2014, 10:37 #63209

    I'd like to see him at Arsenal, but in truth he's no better than Oxlade-Chamberlain, not in the same league as Alexis and is only 2 or 3 Wengeries away from being Theo Walcott. We need at least 4 defensive players in before we do anything as stupid as blowing our wad on more attacking midfield players - Nice idea Simon, but nowhere near what we need or should be doing. Manager out, defensive players in - Sorted!

  92. Tony Evans

    Dec 12, 2014, 10:12 #63203

    Sorry Simon as others have said what the hell would we want Sterling for? Defenders - mean and nasty ones please in spades. Not that that will happen with Wenger in charge and I expect he is already busy getting the scales and tape measure out to make sure any new signing in January is not more than 10 stone and over 5'8''. Not that there will be any new faces in January anyway, as of course Diaby will be like a new signing!

  93. TJ

    Dec 12, 2014, 9:14 #63200

    Typical AKB drivel from Rose... Why not focus on the fact that there's a major split in the fanbase over your beloved leader, Simon?

  94. Seven Kings Gooner

    Dec 12, 2014, 9:07 #63199

    As Arsene said to Ray Parlour "Raymond are you making a joke with me"

  95. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 12, 2014, 8:58 #63198

    Simon - you've written this to provoke us haven't you? We need another diminutive, athlete-that-can-play-a-bit who labours under the illusion that he is good because he plays for England, like we need another overpaid, arrogant and out of touch manager. Screening midfielder, Central defender and goalkeeper are what we're screaming out for, as you really know.

  96. chris dee

    Dec 12, 2014, 8:57 #63197

    As we have sorted out our defence this would be a fantastic signing.A tricky midfielder/forward is just what we're crying out for as we are short of numbers in that department.Good idea mate!

  97. Ron

    Dec 12, 2014, 8:48 #63196

    Hope not. Another wildly overrated and brainless english hype job. Walcott mark 2. If Liv have any sense they ll get a big offer and get shot.

  98. 50+yrs supporter

    Dec 12, 2014, 8:17 #63194

    Hope you do sign him, He is hopeless.

  99. Unchives

    Dec 12, 2014, 7:59 #63193

    Just what we don't need. Too many technical lightweights and not enough power and height. Ticks all the tick-tacka boxes for Wenger though.Like Liverpool FC, a one season wonder. I see you slipped in the Wenger Spin "Buoyed by the boosted matchday revenues of a 60,000-capacity stadium, over the last 8 ½ campaigns, plus Champions League football every season since 1998-99" How much are Wenger PLC paying you?

  100. julesd

    Dec 12, 2014, 7:43 #63191

    If Liverpool wouldn't sell us Suarez I doubt if they would sanction Sterling moving to Arsenal. What happens to Theo, Ox & Gnabry if Sterling joins u?

  101. Camgooner

    Dec 12, 2014, 7:40 #63190

    just a shame he just isn't very good.

  102. Jason B

    Nov 27, 2012, 21:51 #28680

    Played 3 games last week.Won two and drew the other one.The two we won were more important than the drawn one.

  103. Roy

    Nov 26, 2012, 21:06 #28609

    Brilliant post from nugs. Everyone go back and read it again. Then if you don't understand, read it once more. Then, if you don't agree with it, p*** off and leave our great club alone because whatever the future holds, it will be easier to move forward without you.

  104. Gooner age

    Nov 26, 2012, 19:21 #28582

    Wenger's major problem is the way he is trying to achive things more than one goal in a similar way to brian clough. Clough was determined to win in a beautiful way and wanted to leave his mark on football in this way. wenger shares this vision and I belive the midfield three of arteta, Wiltshire and santi is wengers preferred option -although it's very lightweight with no recognised defensive enforcer. Also the economic vision is wengers and has been to the detriment of the team. Fair play to wenger the legacy he leaves football should be his to control. But that should only be at our club if the fans are in agreement. the fans have to make it clear that at least in the short term it's results we want and passion from the team. it is then up to arsene if he stays to deliver this or takes up another job elsewhere. Many people remember Brian Clough fondly and his vision for the game but only their forest fans cared about forest and the direction their club was taking at the end of Cloughs time with the club.

  105. Green Hut

    Nov 26, 2012, 18:26 #28577

    Ron- Wenger may be silent on team investment but Gazidis certainly isn't. He constantly states that there is money available, often with Wenger sitting beside him, and even Kroenke said at the AGM that he's never refused the manager money. Yet when the transfer window again slams shut and we've got a pile of cash gathering dust in the bank despite having a team clearly not capable of challenging for the trophies that matter, many fans still blame the board and see Wenger as some kind of poor, put-upon £7m a year soul who gets pushed around by Kroenke/Gazidis and keeps quiet in a bizarre act of loyalty to 2 men who have only been at the club 5 minutes and to whom Wenger owes nothing. You couldn't make it up.

  106. Message to Adidas seconded

    Nov 26, 2012, 17:07 #28576

    Peter Wright- I agree. Having lived through some genuinely poor Arsenal teams, this one still seems fantastic by comparison. Even amid the disappointment of Saturday, there were some quality touches. Poles apart from Hillier, Carter, Mcgoldrick, etc. Mike - I also counted the comments after a very pleasing win, and those after a disappointing draw. People come out in their droves to moan, but stay silent when credit is warranted. I regularly see some of our fans sit in silence as a fantastic move is in progress - no acknowledgement for a brilliant pass with a small clap even - but then immediately become vocal when a move breaks down. Outrage that the 48th pass is narrowly short of its intended target.

  107. can people do some research..

    Nov 26, 2012, 16:48 #28575

    Harold - I'm not Red Member! Fair enough with what you say. I've followed the BSM virtually since they began. My main point is that they didn't start as an anti-Wenger group and have constantly said they are not. If half their members are anti-Wenger then so what? So might, say, REDaction's, but that isn't why they exist. My concern is that all the good they stand for and are trying to achieve for match-going fans will get lost in something that is hijacked by people using it as an angry anti-Wenger vehicle. If people read their objectives on their website, who could possibly disagree with atleast 90% of it?

  108. Harold

    Nov 26, 2012, 16:10 #28574

    @Can people do some research and get their facts straight about the BSM?- I was responding to a post by Red Member (probably you) which was purely about on-field matters and ended with a promotion for the BSM, so I don't think it was me that was missing the point. But I repeat, the reason most people are angry at the moment isn't because they want away fans moved to the upper tier, it's because of the dross we see most weeks on the pitch, and in the absence of any sustained anti-Wenger campaign, they will join the walk on Saturday. I am a member of the BSM and obviously agree with their objectives, and I also realise they want to be around as a pressure group long after Wenger's gone so they're not going to make that their main aim. But I also post on the messageboard that the founder members post on, and many of them want Wenger out hence the 'proper allocation of funds' objective. It may officially not be an anti-Wenger walk, but many attending know that although the board may be guilty of compliance, it's Wenger that decides spending policy and consequently is by far the biggest problem at our club.

  109. billthered

    Nov 26, 2012, 15:46 #28573

    Why was Jack on the bench AW said he was injured and needed a break and he was only there if we were struggling,well hello we wer'nt exactly cruising were we.A few weeks ago my doctor told me I needed a rest so I sat indoors with my feet up it worked wonders.

  110. Tony Evans

    Nov 26, 2012, 14:51 #28572

    Mike - that is because fewer and fewer supporters are being taken in now by the odd decent result and simply can't be bothered to comment.

  111. Message to Addidas seconded

    Nov 26, 2012, 14:49 #28571

    Highbury belonged to the fans. We had ownership. The Emirates feels like a cash cow, where it's about bums on seats and giving the club our money. This seriously needs to change. Block 5/6 is the rare exception. We need to feel like the stadium belongs to us. Giving us back a 'real' Clock End would be a fantastic start. For this reason the BSM get my support. Not because of results or Wenger.

  112. Ron

    Nov 26, 2012, 14:46 #28570

    I think that the perception problems with BSM, is down simply to the fact that nobody outside of the corridors of power in the Club can truly distinguish between the Board and AW. His silence on team investment for so long suggests hes the Boards puppet and content with it, but it could equally mean, hes not really supporting the Board but keeps stum on things until hes ready to retire from what is a nice cushy highly paid job, with little pressure to achieve things i e going through the motions. Who knows!! Its hardly surprising therefore that some people think the BSM is an anti Wenger vehicle. Leaving Highbury has certainly created belated change and ideas on the Clubs 'culture' that nobody ever thought possible, yet perhaps the Board did envisage it? Maybe Wenger did too? Its a mystery.I would say though that when mates, other supporters and i talked about things in 2005 ish many of us said then that it might be a decade before we saw trophies again. What we never saw coming was a toothless, de energised, shadow of previous Arsenal teams down the decades, whos hallmark in all my years was the willingness and abilty to scrap for every point going. Thats what 'my Arsenal means'. Nothing else. We re just cosmopolitan softies, who play when it suits. That is a terrible indictment on Wenger. He controls the dressing room and training pitch events, not the bean counters. BSM should be tolerant of 'AW out' protesters as the agenda by definition is and can only be a cloudy one.

  113. Brigham

    Nov 26, 2012, 14:26 #28569

    A dismal, dire and inspid display on Saturday evening with many fans crowing for the head of the main man. Anyway, that is enough about X Factor! We were awful against Villa, truly awful. We lacked any fight, we lacked inspiration from our captain (who was it?) and we sure as hell lacked any idea going forward. We have become more and more laboured going forward and its almost as if we want the opposition to be given a chance to get their defence sorted out in plenty of time to repell our weak attack. Wenger is becoming more and more like Inpsector Closeau with every passing week and his arrogance towards the away boys because they dared question his substitutions beggers belief. I am another who totally agrees with the adidas message, I WANT OUR REAL COLOURS BACK!

  114. Ron

    Nov 26, 2012, 13:57 #28568

    I suspect that the yellow shirts were worn so to ensure that the players could see each other on a dull, drab, dark and wet afternoon. Made sense. Pity it never worked. They need specsavers by the look of it, not brighter shirts perhaps!Those purple ones wouldnt have been seen last Saturday night, but then they never 'turned up' anyway did they.

  115. El Bodgeo

    Nov 26, 2012, 13:36 #28567

    We need a brown kit.

  116. Can people do some research and get their facts straight about the BSM?

    Nov 26, 2012, 13:33 #28566

    Harold - it's hard for Wenger to be absolved from all the BSM stand for, but if you think it's an anti-Wenger movement then you clearly miss the point. Read the 'about us' our campaigns, etc. It's about protecting the interests of long-term, core supporters and the club's indentity safe from a greedy board. (The only bit where Wenger is caught up is the re-investment of resources back into the squad and even then, who really knows?) Wenger could win the title and people would still have the same beef with the club over certain issues. In fact, they might even get worse as the club becomes more exploitative (eg. ticket prices, core supporters being marginalised/priced out, loss of club's identity - kit, crest, stadium atmosphere, etc - the corporatisation of our club in favour of people who live and breath Arsenal, etc.)Stuff such as ditching Elvis, re-introducing a real Clock End, introducing Safe Standing, (giving us back our yellow and blue away kit should be in there too) have nothing to do with the manager. Their beef is with a board that seems content for Wenger to make them a profit whilst they rinse the fans year after year, pushing their loyalty to the limit.

  117. mike

    Nov 26, 2012, 13:13 #28565

    Montpellier Match report (win)- postings 31 Villa Match report (Draw) - postings 60 and counting

  118. Message to Addidas seconded

    Nov 26, 2012, 13:07 #28564

    Declan - This is what the BSM are about. What they propose are tangible changes that would help us rediscover the Arsenal we fell in love with. Others may hijack it as a chance to protest about Wenger, but that isn't their agenda. If Wenger went, we wouldn't suddenly have our Arsenal back. Far from it. When confused people say 'what Arsenal do you want back?' (which isn't to be confused with the BSM either)the answer is the Arsenal that had a yellow and blue away kit, a real clock end, a proper crest, a club that had genuine class and had mutual repsect with its fanbase built around a love of the football club, etc, etc.

  119. SilverGooner

    Nov 26, 2012, 13:02 #28563

    Wenger is still going about things the way he did 10 years ago. All well and good if he had a squad of world class players like he did then, but the bunch of players he has had for the past few years is well short of that benchmark. A world class player like RvP may well have earned us 3 points on Saturday with a goal out of nothing. And does Wenger not realise that we must be one of the easiest teams to play against with our predicatable tactics, defensive fragility and lack of any Plan B? Villa did their homework and got themselves a deserved point. Everyone else can see where it's all going wrong and it is no surprise that so may supporters are frustrated with the way things are going. I honestly believe that Wenger has completley lost the plot and has no chance of turning things around.

  120. danalovAFCXI

    Nov 26, 2012, 12:53 #28562

    financial fair play will save us....wont it.....please god let it save us.

  121. declan burke

    Nov 26, 2012, 12:41 #28561

    RE:''MESSAGE TO Adidas seconded'' Absolutely spot on. This club has completely lost it's heart and soul, it's identity, SAD SAD SAD. In fact This club's character died the day it left HIGHBURY.

  122. Harold

    Nov 26, 2012, 12:17 #28560

    Red Member- The only objective on the BSM agenda that directly relates to what happens on the pitch (which, lets be honest, is what everyone is REALLY unhappy about)is clearly aimed at Wenger. They want to keep Cult Of Wenger members like yourself on board to make up the numbers but they obviously know where the real problem lies. Keep banging the drum though mate.

  123. Not Jack

    Nov 26, 2012, 11:50 #28559

    This 'Jack' guy must be a wind-up, right? Evidently someone who is happy with mediocrity (at a push) and passionless, soul-less football. We had 18 men in our squad for Villa and Giroud was the only centre forward. Is this really how to spend the fans money? The supporters were right "You dont know what you're doing".

  124. chris dee

    Nov 26, 2012, 10:19 #28558

    Another mind numbing,lacklustre performance that is slowly but surely sucking all enthusiasm from the fans until we are becoming almost indifferent to results. Do the board realise that the fans will not accept 4th place (if we get it!)and no other silverware this year? And although Arsene is right that none of us have managed a club for even 1 minute,we have the right to show our strong feelings about our lack of success.All this ignoring of fervent committed fans with the 'be satisfied with what you've got' attitude epitomised by Hill Wood and backed up by Arsene and Gazidis is slowly taking it's toll with supporters and it has become 'us and them' situation.Not good. Again,I believe its not all about 30 million signings' it's about installing attitude,commitment,organisation and character into the team by the manager. If Arsene can't do that now,even if he has managed 9 million matches,the all is lost. I have never wanted Arsene to leave the club,and we now have a chance of a first trophy for seven years, but if we reach the semi finals or final of the Capitol Cup and we play a weakened team,with Djourou as captain!flapping around at centre half then that it's for me,I will agree it's time for a change.

  125. Red Member

    Nov 26, 2012, 9:30 #28557

    Terry, the current UEFA rankings show Arsenal as the 6th best club in Europe. It is likely that from the PL only Arsenal and Man United will qualify from the group stages this season. This is what the board is looking for, they are not too interested about what happens on a wet night in the Midlands. If the board were interested in winning trophies then Wenger would not still be in charge. They are the main problem here and the BSM have successfully identified this.

  126. Tony Evans

    Nov 26, 2012, 8:44 #28556

    I have wanted Wenger out now for ages and I can't believe we are still going through the same agonies with our team as we were back then. Nothing has improved, in fact we are going backwards each season and yet Wenger still presides over our club, seemingly untouchable. As someone else has said I can live with failure but the lack of hope (with Wenger in charge) for better times ahead is something I find very hard to deal with.

  127. Ali

    Nov 26, 2012, 6:29 #28555

    No surprise there and no major concern, Arsenal will be top four at the end of the season.

  128. GG89

    Nov 26, 2012, 0:48 #28554

    The chant "you dont know what you are doing." aint working... "spend the effing money" seems more appropriate... Com'on the BSM...

  129. Green Hut

    Nov 26, 2012, 0:04 #28553

    Gare- And bring back the red socks! I realise we've worn white on and off during our history but the iconic, inspirational Arsenal home kit is 1971. Too much white in our kit looks weak, it looks shandy, it looks tottenham. Red Member- I know it's getting impossible to defend Wenger with any kind of coherent argument but lay off with the wind ups, it's very obvious and very boring. As for the game, well is anyone surprised anymore?

  130. Wombledin

    Nov 25, 2012, 22:55 #28552

    We're only 5 points off 4th spot and only 3 behind the same stage as last year, but fixture by fixture we are slipping behind week by week compared to last season. And Wenger knows it, you could see the visible tension as he stood there in the rain on the sidelines, even swearing at his players the camera picked up! It's like a replica of last season but somehow it feels worse this time, the confidence and belief is not quite the same. Are we experiencing Monaco in slow motion? Is this the season the chickens finally come home to roost? The faith of the AKB is still there but crumbling rapidly before our eyes.

  131. Ealing Gooner

    Nov 25, 2012, 21:36 #28551

    Wenger's post-match comments were embarrassing, a reasonable question about Giroud's substitution was met by an arrogant and contemptuous answer, he should remember that when he speaks to the media, he is also speaking to the fans. Mind you, I've never worked one day in football so what do I know? His explanation that Wilshere didn't come on because it was wet and windy defied belief, maybe Michael Fish should join the coaching staff? Instead he brings on Gervinho, whose first touch was to predictably run the ball out of play. As for being tired after Wednesday, we bang on about how many years we have been in the Champions League, yet apparently we still can't play 3 games a week. As for Jack's comments (31123) I detest Morgan and anyone who works for TalkS***e and I don't read the tabloids or listen to Sky's pundits, I base my judgements on what happens on the field, and for the last 7 years it hasn't been good enough. Still, as long as we cling on to the Champions League gravy train, Wenger will collect his £7m a year, Ivan will get his bonus, the G & T in the boardroom will continue to be well stocked, and the club can save on buying silver polish or hiring open top buses.

  132. Greg71

    Nov 25, 2012, 21:00 #28550

    I have seen the post match interview and saw a man totally stumped by a simple valid question,Wenger has finally revealed himself as the mad emperor ! Forget the transfer window and new players,can he really be trusted to pick ones of use from lique 1 ? expectation has long gone,worst still is that without hope we have nothing,the bell is tolling ever louder and the nails are adding up !

  133. GOONERDAVE

    Nov 25, 2012, 20:43 #28549

    I gave up my season ticket 3 seasons ago,the main reasons were thus:I was,nt willing to pay top dollar for mediocrity and lining crap players pockets with my hard earned cash and the fact that i felt that Wenger had lost the plot tactically,the case being as i,ve stated on this site before, the Champions league final when he took off Pires who could and would often influence the outcome of the game and left the totally inept and non scoring Hleb on the pitch.From that day on my respect for Wenger was on the downward slide,now i wish he was no longer Arsenal manager,i personally feel he has nothing new to offer regardless of whoever he buys or system he chooses to use,he's a busted flush and is taking us all through the motions.Whenever i see him in interviews he strikes me as being a man who is bored and does'nt have any interest anymore,he's happy to make excuses and blame every circumstance available to him i.e lack of confidence,feeling tired/jaded,,fixture congestion,injuries,all but the truth,he's simply not good enough anymore.

  134. Peter Wright

    Nov 25, 2012, 20:38 #28548

    Too many of you guys are too young to remember the bad old days. Years and years of David Hillier. Moan about ticket prices, players on a different planet from us, media ****e but we are good even on a piss poor night in Birminham I promise you.

  135. ex-pat clockender

    Nov 25, 2012, 19:49 #28547

    Kevin - you should have continued with your use of popular chants as a head-line. The Villa fans had a good one - du-du-du-du - f*****g useless.

  136. Ron

    Nov 25, 2012, 19:43 #28546

    On a bad day generally, i actually thought Ramsey played quite well. He worked hard. Hes no goal scorer admittedly, but he tried to prompt and create openings. The Club is in a sorry state though on the pitch. No escaping it. Very tired, devoid in artistry and ideas and woefully lacking in drive and energy. I feel that there are many players in that squad not putting it in for Wenger. Disgraceful when you think what they earn. Villa's work ethic was far superior. A good job they have many awful players in key positions.

  137. Terry

    Nov 25, 2012, 19:25 #28545

    @Red one of the top clubs in Europe? No titles in nearly 9 years,no trophies in 7,one CL final ever.We are miles behind the top clubs in Europe.How many 4th place trophies have Barca Madrid Bayern and Utd ever won?

  138. Steve H

    Nov 25, 2012, 19:17 #28544

    Typical display with no so called spiwit from Arsene's team - after match comments from him pretty much sum up the current malaise - questioning why supporters think he doesn't know what he's doing and he is above any sort of criticism - the current inconsistencies and lack of trophies will continue with this sadly arrogant deluded man in charge

  139. Message to Adidas seconded

    Nov 25, 2012, 19:04 #28543

    Gare - 'A message to anyone from Adidas reading this, The Arsenal’s away kit is YELLOW SHIRTS AND BLUE SHORTS! That’s what Gooners pre-Wenger like me have grown up with'. Totally agree. When people say they want their Arsenal back, it's things like this and a proper crest they miss. (The classy Art deco 30s crest given disgracefully small billing in the whole Arsenalisation process. That crest IS The Arsenal - History, class, tradition...not the cartoon drivel.) Not just the stuff on the pitch. PS. I wouldn't pin this one on Wenger as well. The Invincibles played in yellow and blue away from home. A co-incidence?

  140. mark from aylesbury

    Nov 25, 2012, 19:00 #28542

    This is now the 2nd or even 3rd time that the away support have called him out. meanwhile back at the emirates season tickets are being rented out left right and centre. I think this is the end stages starting to play out. If i were Arsene Id go at the end if the season.

  141. allybear

    Nov 25, 2012, 18:43 #28541

    The team reflects the manager! How long must this go on? Well AW will be in charge for a few more years yet so more of the same then! I think its ridiculous to even think about bringing back Henry who is like the manager,past it! Another crap season thanks to that French prat.

  142. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 25, 2012, 18:06 #28540

    DW Thomas good points on wenger living in the past, change, adapt,when asked recently about Fergie's achievements and why he's lasted so long he replied it's because he has the ability to adapt and move with the times.It's a pity he hasn't the ability to do it himself.

  143. It's not Sir Chesney

    Nov 25, 2012, 17:26 #28539

    As my mate said in the first half- they move the ball forward faster in American football than this lot do.

  144. Jude Jolicoeur

    Nov 25, 2012, 17:21 #28538

    Ramsey in for Jack was never going to work yesterday. He was effectively ineffective, as usual. Jack's return actually highlights how rubbish Ramsey is. The lad doesn't have any attacking ideas, but he's mastered the sideways pass and the back pass. Oh, and he tries really hard, too. Can't underestimate the value of that.

  145. Red Member

    Nov 25, 2012, 17:00 #28537

    I remain confident that this team will finish in the top 4 again this season. you have to remember that the big game of the week for the club was against Montpellier this week to secure CL knock out football once again and to secure our status as on one of the top clubs in European football. In fact Ivan Gazidis has had a fantastic week because as well as that he managed to secure a great commerical deal too. The Villa match in the grand scheme of things was very low down the list of priorities. I don't agree with that but just trying to see things from the club's point of view

  146. DW Thomas

    Nov 25, 2012, 16:38 #28536

    Watched the second half with an eye on the passing and off the ball movement. It was painful to watch. Only Cazorla and Ox seemed to make a difference. At least they take players on and try to make things happen. Ramsey just doesn't cut it. I like the guy, but he needs to justify his selection withs goals and forward passing that makes a difference. He misses too many chances. Watch Wenger's post match when they grill him on why he took out Giroud and the away fans jeering him. He looks empty of ideas and was very defensive, although the press wouldn't let it go. If only he would change things up, spend some real money on real class (bring in a Fab or RVP type player), and get some tactics. He makes the same mistakes again and again! How is he so blind? Is it the arrogance that came from so much success in his pomp? He is a know it all that is living in the past. Either change, adapt, or move on for someone with fresh ideas. And no, not someone new for one season. If a new manager comes in, he must be given time and money. Shift out the players that don't show effort. Rebuild with winners and a never say die attitude. Wenger seems to have lost it. No more comments about being tired, spirit, blah blah blah. Get results or step aside.

  147. Marwoodonthewing

    Nov 25, 2012, 16:01 #28535

    Arsene is a great man and deserves a bit more respect from us the fans and the media and this website. He gives everything for the club and doesn't do this job for the money. He never has so I wish people who don't know how much he earns bang on about the alleged £7 million a year. Read the biography on him which mentions the sparse flat he rented while at Monaco. He's still young enough and healthy enough to go to a club where people might actually appreciate what he does. I just hope the moaning fans on this site are in the minority otherwise it would be very sad indeed.

  148. Itstartedin1975

    Nov 25, 2012, 15:54 #28534

    We dont have the players to make a title challenge but there is enough quality there for this team to be better than it is at the moment. Leave Kroenke and the executives aside. What happens on the pitch is Wengers responsibility and its clear that our great managers best days are in the past. It has been clear for a few seasons now that the tactics, organisation, ideas, coaching and motivation are not there. Its almost as if these essential elements of any successful side are everyone's business and nobody's business. Wenger and a core of senior/experienced players made this happen in the past but his powers are now diminished and we dont have a core group of experienced, capable players that we once had. You can see no other result at Everton other than defeat. Everton are a more in form capable team than us. Swansea at home next week could be very difficult. I foresee a draw. Then WBA at home....that seems to be shaping up as a bit of a top of the table game in the way that games against Utd or Chelsea were. WBA look in good shape. Sharper, confident and playing good football. That could be a home defeat unless we get some luck in the way of an early sending off as per Spurs game. We should all be clear that Wenger will not be sacked. His departure will be his decision. We can only hope that he, as an intelligent man, can see that the best way out would be to step back and float up to the Board. I may get insults hurled at me but I would hope that Arsenal represent something classier in the game and I would rather see our most successful manager continuing to be part of the fabric of this great club rather than forced out, only to end up as the French national coach or in some sort of FIFA administrative role. This really does depend on him. Thatcher and Blair come to mind. Both of them the most successful leaders of their Parties in modern time but ended up being pushed. Arsene....its OK...you have done an incredible job for us...but its time...step back....let someone else takeover...stay with the club and you could just about hold on to the respect and admiration of the Arsenal public. Stumble on adamantly and its going to end up acrimonious and most of all, the good work you have achieved will disintegrate. That is no legacy you would want to be proud of.

  149. Lee

    Nov 25, 2012, 15:43 #28533

    There used to be a time where if I heard Wenger speaking, I'd turn the tv up and tell everyone in the room to shut up. Now It's reached the stage where I'll either mute or switch to another channel.

  150. dazzy 90

    Nov 25, 2012, 15:30 #28532

    More woeful gutless stuff from an Arsene Wenger 'team'. F-cking piss poor. Leadership missing on and off the pitch. No tactics, no plan a, b, or c to change any game. No passion effort or desire shown from enough on the pitch. These failings of the last 4 or 5 seasons, the same gutless clueless performances are all driven by the same clown not the piss poor playing staff, the players have changed over the years but still perform at the same level. Also a mention about our Scots - what ether f&ck are they doing? They get us the likes of chamak, gervinho etc but look at the 3 forwards Wigan had yesterday! They were brilliant, put it in for the team, worked well together, and knew where the bloody goal was! Why can't we find players like that anymore?!

  151. Gooner SA

    Nov 25, 2012, 14:45 #28531

    Poor result & performance. Purple away shirt v Stoke, Liverpool & Man u, yellow away shirt v West Ham, Schalke & Villa. Worth the £42 eh[??!]

  152. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 25, 2012, 14:34 #28530

    After the spuds game the questions were being asked (yet again)can we build on this and push on now and challenge.Well after not turning up in the first half against a poor Montpellier side in midweek and doing just enough in the second and after yesterday we have the answer (yet again) Another poor performance and points dropped to relegation fodder whats new ?.We had chances as usual and as usual couldn't take them yes Koscielny the biggest culprit as Mr arsenal himself asked in the ESPN studio,what was he doing there in the first place ? How do we arrest the decline kev ? it's a question that has being asked over and over again for seasons now.Addressing the three questions you ask in the third paragraph would be a damn good start and i agree it looks like it's not going to happen with this current coaching set up.

  153. Bard

    Nov 25, 2012, 14:03 #28529

    Am in complete agreement with Fozzy's mate. The very minimum expected of an Arsenal player is to give it everything. Yesterday was half arsed. They played like a team that couldnt give a toss. Too wet, too cold and too disinterested.Wenger came out with the usual excuse that they were jaded but why not change the side around? He cant because he's bought a shed load of rubbish and they cant be trusted fill in against a crap side like Villa. Santi is heading for a spell on the treatment table as Wenger plays him week in and week out. I read that Wenger was shocked to here the chants, Really, what planet is he on. Still its reassuring to know we have plenty of money in the bank. With luck we can buy another shedload of mediocre players and look forward to more of yesterdays dross.

  154. dartford gooner

    Nov 25, 2012, 13:20 #28528

    Jack or is it really Mandy? have some class? .Were you there yesterday? Where was the class shown by the team. Never mind class ,what about fight and guts. Its time for change, Arsene has done a great job but the game moves on and so must our great club. Just how much longer do you want to give him to get things right, another 5 or 10 years?. Read what Van Persie and Fabregas said after they left,they wanted to win things and could see it was not going to happen at Arsenal. I doubt if either of them had the minds made up by morgan or robson.

  155. DECLAN BURKE

    Nov 25, 2012, 12:58 #28526

    There is no chance of a top 4 finish SO this will be a trophyless season EVEN IN THE BOARDROOM ! Wenger told the media on friday that we must become consistent, Why are we Inconsistent ? because we lack sufficient quality players. Can the same players suddenly become consistent ? - NO. WHY? Because they don't have the quality required. WENGER is going around in circles and ARSENAL F.C. is going into permanent MEDIOCRITY.

  156. Stevesam

    Nov 25, 2012, 12:54 #28525

    Kev you seem to have fallen into the AW trap and think that we miss Diaby. He has never been a top player for us, His record of 87 starts in 7 plus seasons is woeful. I can only remember one match where Diaby truly dictated a game and that was against Liverpool away this season. I am more excited about an injury free Rosicky returning to play with Santi, Jack and Mikel than a mentally weak Diaby. Rosiky is a winner and makes things happen. If he was available then I feel he would have started ahead of Ramsey, but having been at Villa Park, I could make an argument that Ramsey was our most effective midfield player. Santi and Mikel looked tired and Podolski and AOC were poor. We also missed Sagna. AW’s interview after the game, as one journo put it, 'was disrespectful to the travelling fans', who again were magnificent. Loved the ‘your ground is too big for you’. Are we the next Villa waiting to happen.

  157. Rob

    Nov 25, 2012, 12:52 #28524

    Really I think this is the norm' and the Spurs result the exception. It's all eyes on January and nothing we can do until then. Although I tip my hat to the boys of the black scarf movement for their noble efforts. But if come January Wenger does either or both of 1/ Resigning TH 2/ Bringing Bendtner back because he's "like a new signing !" - then I sincerely hope tempers boil over amongst even our more supine followers. And as for the 'players we want aren't available' excuse - don't even mention it. If money is not spent in January it won't be in June either. And for all Gazedis's waffle we will know that this money is being ear marked by Kronke to pay off the debts he incurred buying the shares to take control. Then the battle lines will be well and truly drawn. So it's up to Wenger. But one thing is absolutely certain - the 'poor Arsene he doesn't have any money to spend' argument is now dead as a door nail. So his 'apologists' are going to have a very hard time of it, if he continues his inaction in the transfer market.

  158. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Nov 25, 2012, 12:40 #28523

    Good article Kev but even you sound weary now. It's so difficult to find any positives in these same old, same old performances. And as for the comment by JACK "Have your own opinions and stop following like sheep the same phrases and opinions held by the gutter media. Have a bit of class." Why do AKB's have to be so abusive towards those that seek change at our great Club? Maybe you could take your own advice JACK and "stop following like sheep the same phrases and opinions held by Arsene Wenger".

  159. nugs

    Nov 25, 2012, 12:37 #28522

    jack you sound as arrogant and single minded as our deluded manager, show a bit of class???? if any REAL arsenal fans (you know the ones the ones who actually care about the way our club is being used by others the ones that when football was less fashionable and more affordable to the working class man were following the club week in week out and have now been brushed to one side) truely love this club they will be on the march sat end of.

  160. Joe S.

    Nov 25, 2012, 12:29 #28521

    You've made a very perceptive analysis of all that's wrong with Arsenal FC JackNow that's really socking it to the AKBs.

  161. Joe S.

    Nov 25, 2012, 12:14 #28520

    Five games out of thirteen where Arsenal have remained scoreless. Make what you will of that. For me it suggests too much ordinariness as well as the lack of an X factor. I'm with the editor in that stagnation is looming and this type of result has all the makings of a mid table team. It also might suggest that a certain person has been in charge too long and that like all businesses the CEO needs to be changed every 10 years or so. On the player front is anyone really looking forward to Rosickek's return as a way forward for the club?

  162. Tony

    Nov 25, 2012, 11:57 #28519

    I have for the last 3 seasons thought Wenger will turn things around and we need to stay patient, but now i know this is not going to happen, we dont have the players and we are not going to get the players to win trophys. Against Villa summed us up over the last 5 seasons. Who can blame the best players we have leaving for Man City and united. the spitit has gone from the players and now there are few supporters with any spirit left. It is not just Wenger i blame but the board as well. we need a new start , i dont mind waiting a couple of years for a new team to be built by a new manager, as long as we can see the improvements each year.

  163. Jack

    Nov 25, 2012, 11:53 #28518

    Too many "Gooners"? these days are fickle at best. Up there in the clouds when Arsenal win "Wenger out,sack the board when we don't".Far too many simplistic followers of The Arsenal these days. The Wenger out brigade seem to follow the words of Piers Morgan,Adrian Durham and Stewart Robson as if they were God breathed. Every one you meet says the same rubbish, like they have been programmed to.(no plan B,Papering over the cracks,Wengers stubborn,The board won't spend,All our players are rubbish...yawn,yawn. (fan boys at best) Even the away support at Villa who I generally think are the best around let the team down with their cheap classless Chelseaesque shot at Wenger. Have your own opinions and stop following like sheep the same phrases and opinions held by the gutter media. Have a bit of class.

  164. Peter Wain

    Nov 25, 2012, 11:52 #28517

    Considering the quality of players we now have I am not surprised by this result. Indeed as a mid table team which we are this was a good result and we certainly did not deserve to win.

  165. jjetplane

    Nov 25, 2012, 11:42 #28516

    We really are at the bottom of the barrel now and I just had an image of Pires scoring against Villa in the mud. Even then, Wenger was more an implicated spectator then a football manager. His studious approach to the game has turned the players into spectators too. Its become a culture of non-confrontation (remember Storey?) and its even infecting players like the Ox. The only good news is the wobbling of the teams above, though we will not finish fourth and by the end Villa will probably be on almost the same points as us.

  166. challenger

    Nov 25, 2012, 11:10 #28515

    I was really looking for this article Kevin .. still pissed off from yesterday .. i can only imagine how hard it is to write after yesterday match. Anyway, is it me or Mr. Wenger had it all wrong yesterday? we could easily took the three points if the changes were right .. First of all, How on earth Ramsey on the starting line-up? This is beyond my intelligence .. then when the team was desperate for a change, he took Podolski and push in the Alien Gervinho who should not play at all after his injury and in such a critical time. And just to make things more interesting he took out our striker Gieroud !! why can't we start and play with what we have? we should have used Arshavin to play in the middle, we needed a creative player didn't we?? put him there and let him give the striker, which I absolutely don't mean Gervinho, and push it to win it. We all know how bad Arshavin as a wing man, and surely know how good he was when used in the right place. The hell with Arshavin, what about Jack the Lad?? so so disappointed. The most frustrating thing to me, is not loosing point, or put a bad effort once a while .. or in a regular basis these days, but knowing that we could win but didn't due to some stupid decisions .. And Kevin, please be more harsh on these players .. make me happy !!

  167. Season Ticket Holder....

    Nov 25, 2012, 11:06 #28514

    This has now gone far enough....how much more of this are we supposed to take! The club is motivated by money and not winning football matches and this filters through to the players. We have just announced a record shirt deal but they have already said the money will not be available until the summer - WHY NOT?? If we re-sign Henry when Huntelaar is up for grabs then that will be the final straw for me....

  168. Gare Kekeke

    Nov 25, 2012, 10:58 #28513

    Performances and results like yesterday is the norm with this squad and the current manager and not the exception as some fans like to think. What is it with Wenger and his pre-planned substitutions regardless of the nature of games? Two weeks earlier at the same venue, Sir Alex Ferguson made a substitution that changed the course of Man Utd’s game at Villa. On came Javier Hernandez just before the start of the 2nd half for an ineffective Ashley Young and hey presto (and Utd even had the temerity to go down 2-0 down after being just 1 down at half time!), Utd won. It’s not rocket science Arsene. But what do I know seeing as I’ve never worked a day in football? Oh yeah and Hernandez cost less than Gervinho so there goes the myth that the top quality players cost a fortune. Speaking of money, well done MSS for the superb renewed sponsorship deal with Emirates. Don’t give yourself a £1m bonus though. Liking the rumours too that we will be back with Adidas. Nike have treated us like **** in recent years so a much needed change there is welcomed in my book. A message to anyone from Adidas reading this, The Arsenal’s away kit is YELLOW SHIRTS AND BLUE SHORTS! That’s what Gooners pre-Wenger like me have grown up with. I still wouldn’t trust Wenger with the money though. It will be the excuse he’s got to put dross like Djourou on £80k a week and claim it’s what we have to pay to keep our ‘top top players’. Since when was the likes of Djourou, Santos & Fabianski ‘top top players’? Here’s hoping for a much improved performance and result at Everton. I still think we’ll finish fourth and maybe even take the League Cup seeing Rafa Benitez doesn’t take domestic competition seriously. But then again I remember Birmingham at Wembley all too vividly. Up The Arsenal!

  169. Don

    Nov 25, 2012, 10:35 #28512

    Hands up all of you who said the win over 10 man Spuds was just papering over the cracks.I thought last season was bad this is worse much worse.Yesterdays game was no different from the disgraces v Norwich and Man Utd except the Villa shot hit the bar and didnt go in.How can a manager on £7m a year send teams out to perform like we did in those games?.And Wenger unlike Mourinho and Fergie isnt a game changer.If we are playing bad in the first half you can bet the same team will start the second half.We really are a poor squad that needs major surgery.Still full of deadwood.But would anyone trust Wenger with his transfer record in the last 2 years(Santos Squillaci Park Chamakh Gervinho).Get ready to be told Diaby and Rosicky are like new signings and expect TH14 to roll up in Jan to keep the dissenters quiet.I will make this prediction now Cazorla or Wilshire or both will go next summer they are not going to hang around to play in the europa league.Watching Arsenal now is like standing on a rusty nail

  170. George

    Nov 25, 2012, 10:22 #28511

    In the words of Abraham Lincoln,"It is true that you may fool all of the people some of the time; you can even fool some of the people all of the time; but you can’t fool all of the people all of the time." Wenger's repeated spin is loosing its significance on a sizeable number of arsenal fans. They seem to be bored with this one way excuses of the players being jaded because of international commitments and the likes. Some of the excuses in my opinion look petty. A manager's duty is to deliver on the pitch and not to concoct excuses in post match comments. Its Good most of the fans are realising the mess he is taking us through now, even most of the hardened AKBs are wising up and changing their stance on Wenger. This period has been the most dark days in the anals of arsenal in terms of performance. The only obstacle in the way of change is the fans who still go to the stadium likewise those who patronise the club's merchandise.

  171. Angry & Frustrated

    Nov 25, 2012, 10:08 #28510

    Purgatory indeed Kevin, but that's now been the case for a number of years, with no foreseeable change on the horizon. Like you I can live with failure, but struggle with the severe lack of hope! We are what we are, which is an above average mid table team, but going backwards year after year. Our best players continue to be sold each summer, to make the profits, which is the only ambition left at the club!

  172. GoonGer

    Nov 25, 2012, 10:07 #28509

    It seems to me,after analysing Arsenes team selection that he prioritises matches,last week for example he put out the team most people would pick(no Ramsey,Gervinho)Walcott starting etc,we win 5-2 could have been more,I understand the red card issue,but he played the best team..who does he bring on at a comfortable time?Santos and Ramsey!!.Man U,did he accept that as a defeat before a ball was kicked?As the display was shocking,even QPR went 1 up yesterday. Yesterday he starts Ramsey,its as if he thinks"play the side i think is marginally better than the opposition to scrape a result".Last night he subbed Podolski again!!surely that drains confidence,he subbed Giroud who had no service.He also put Arshavin on the right for Ox,Gervinho on the left for Supesubbed then after 5 mins changed it so Gervinho was through the middle and Arshavin was on the left.I know im rambling here but I am so dissilussioned.You know he wont spend penny in January,but if he does a Diaby type player who is fit is a must.And dont get me started on the fancy flicks and tricks that seemed to endless at the start of the second half,as if we where 3-0 up!!Aaargh!!Im going,im geting more upset the more i think about it.See you at the Wigan game if you are going.Bring on the Everton

  173. Fozzy's mate

    Nov 25, 2012, 9:49 #28508

    Kev - one thing that I discuss at games parrot fashion is the lack of intensity. Half the time we play like its a testimonial. Manure away, Norwich away, Villa away. The only difference between Villa and Norwich was that the goal they scored was struck off. But I'm not surprised even if annoyed. After 15 years of attending most away games my annoyance at such tepid displays has for the last 7 yeats been reserved for the TV screen. But what I do resent is the disgraceful arrogance displayed by the man from Alsace in the post match press conference. When politely asked about the fans angry reaction to Giroud being replaced by Le Coq in the last few minutes he pulled out his favourites lines "I've mean a manager for 30 years" and "how many games have you managed". When pointed out that by refusing to give his reasons for the substitution it was pointed out that this was disrespectful to the travelling gooners who had spent time and money and sung "you don't know what yer doing" he retorted "when you manage one game I will sit in the stand and say you don't know what your doing". This followed a question to him pre match regarding the new sponsorship deal and what it meant to the club "it means we are in an even better financial position". An arrogance only matched by those who pay his wages.

  174. David

    Nov 25, 2012, 9:39 #28507

    Whats the difference between Ricky Hatton and Wenger?At least Hatton has the sense to quit.This performance was no different to Norwich United and Schalke.The attitude stank which of course is down to the manager.Villa are a poor poor side yet the woodwork stopped them from claiming all 3 points.Kev you say we had enough chances to win,where does that come from?we had one shot on target all game! Cazorla was back to his form pre Spurs totally invisible,but Villa did have 11 men after all.But Wengers excuse was our poor little precious pussies were tired.Must have been all that travelling to the HOME CL game.How many will go on the march 500? a thousand? Thats not good enough.For one game is it really too much to ask for a boycott.Finally a word about Gervinho truly up there with some of our worst ever players if nothing else Wenger should be sacked for buying that clown for £13 MILION!!!!

  175. MattGooner!

    Nov 25, 2012, 9:38 #28506

    I knew when I saw "Aaron Ramsey" starting we were in for a long day. The first half was horrible, the chance for Koscienly could have changed the game, but instead we continued to look flat and boring. The time has come for march and a change!

  176. nilz21

    Nov 25, 2012, 9:38 #28505

    Wengers reaction to the dropped points was cringing...the standard dross to deflect attenson away from the poor performance was to blame tiredness because the recent fixture list. Which was two home games - one of which was against 10 men for most of the game ! ridiculus ..as we've all seen performances like this before when the teams been rested for a whole week, whilst teams like utd, city , chelsea and plenty of others around europe play the same amount of matches week in week out and win multiple trophies. What a load of bull !!! Either he's the problem or the players are not physically fit enough to cope with the same amount of games as other teams

  177. JC

    Nov 25, 2012, 9:30 #28504

    Yesterdays performance proved once and for all that Wenger's era has reached its sell by date. Yet again the players just passed the ball backwards and forwards without any urgency (until the last 5 minutes, as usual), as if they were playing in an exhibition game, and yet again I was extremely bored. Also, despite his recent praise, I dont think Giroud is good enough for Arsenal. His touch is usually poor, and we are lowering our expectations in trying to like him. Finally, I dont agree with the criticism that Arshavin gets. He has shown touches of his craft and quality in recent games but has had his confidence shot, is played out of position and is not given enough time on the pitch. It must be very frustrating for him to be below Gervinho in the pecking order.I am also worried that Oxlade Chamberlain, similarly to Arshavin, has been ruined after looking so good in his first few appearances a year ago.

  178. Clive the Gooner

    Nov 25, 2012, 9:28 #28503

    Another poor display against another poor team what a surprise.

  179. Deejaycee

    Nov 25, 2012, 9:05 #28502

    It's surely come the time for Arsene Wenger to leave the party. Like a divorce although we still have feelings for him and fond memories of the good times we've shared together, the longer we stay united the more fractious our relationship will become before in the end the inevitable break up because we hate each other! Arsene I beg of you, leave now for the good of us both, before it gets that bad. Thanks for all you've done at our club, but the time has surely come to say au revoir?!

  180. Gooner1711

    Nov 25, 2012, 8:50 #28501

    Been saying it for years like many others. We will win a few small battles v Spurs and the odd draw with a big 3 club. The overall decline is continuing. Slowly but surely the quality and expectation is falling away. When will people realise this? The Big 4 of SK, PHW, IG and AW, yes AW are the ones to blame. The players on show last night, only 3 would I take into the squads of yesteryear. We have 8 pleayers simply not good enough. Hence why we're midtable fodder nowadays. It's gonna be a long winter.