No surprises in Athens

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No surprises in Athens

Gervinho: Generally wasteful


Arsene Wenger obviously decided that first place in the group ahead of Schalke was not critical enough to send out a stronger team against Olympiacos. The wisdom of that decision will bear fruit the Friday before Christmas, but the German team did their bit by failing to win in France.

Still, if as a consequence, Milan or Real Madrid come out of the goldfish bowl, the benefits of first place suddenly look a bit negligible, so I could not bring myself to feel too worked up about this group matchday six encounter.

Arsenal’s performance was interesting to say the least, but doesn’t bear much scrutiny. Let’s be honest, the likes of Squillaci, Rosicky, Arshavin and Chamakh have had so little matchtime lately, defeat was always on the cards, especially when the inexperience or simple lack of quality surrounding them is taken into account. The team’s passing was at times very sloppy. You could argue that some of the irregular starters had an excuse for lack of sharpness. Gervinho and Aaron Ramsey have no such excuse. They are simply mediocre players when it comes to controlling the football. Football 365 gave us an interesting stat at the beginning of the week - On average, 22% of goals in the Premier League this season have come from individual errors. Arsenal's rate is 63%. Presumably this means goals conceded. By and large these are a consequence of giving the ball away.

Even so, in Greece, Arsenal managed to create some chances, but as a rule, their accuracy in front of goal needs some work, as does the awful first touch of too many players and inability to make a clean pass to a team-mate. Olympiacos enjoyed chances as well and eventually pressure told as they stuck two away after the break. Arsenal had gone 1-0 up thanks to a quality finish by Tomas Rosicky, reminding us of the player he can be.

Due to the nature of the line-up, this means very little to the team that faced Swansea last weekend and is likely to turn out for West Brom next. However, the lack of composure on the ball seemed very familiar. A word for the young left back Meade though. I thought he performed well all things considered. And a word for Chamakh, Gervinho and Ramsey… Go. Please.

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  1. Jason B

    May 23, 2015, 0:43 #71392

    Casual Dave, no doubt Villa have similar plans for a losers parade in Birmingham on the 31st.

  2. Casual Dave

    May 22, 2015, 10:31 #71364

    8 days and counting... Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has confirmed Danny Welbeck, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain and Mathieu Debuchy will miss Sunday’s game with West Brom. But hopes to have them availiable for the cup final. What about Sanchez...WHAT ABOUT SANCHEZ !

  3. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 21, 2015, 19:33 #71349

    Ron, Mellbergs goal feels like a life time ago now, (and we all know why) Oh how we had so much to look forward to with the ambitions and high hopes we had for our club way back then, and look at the way it's all turned out, disappointing is the understatement of the decade, how did it all go wrong.

  4. Ron

    May 21, 2015, 14:04 #71327

    Casual - Yes, recall Mellbergs goal well. The Villa have put in some useful performances at AFC in truth, as you have at VP on many occasions and got nothing for it. We ve rode our luck there a time or two! The Villa shd be a Club towards the top each season i reckon. Enormous fan base. Youve just never seemed to want to be up there. Its very strange. Ive a couple of AV fan mates and get to VP a couple of times each season on freebies!! Good stadium.

  5. Casual Dave

    May 21, 2015, 13:56 #71325

    Ron, There have been many debates about who is a big club ? small club? sleeping giant ? etc, but personally I wouldn't call WBA a small club (even though they are our midlands rivals) I can understand why you as an Arsenal fan would though. I did however suggest that they will come and test your skills at breaking them down. As a Villa fan I will watch with interest. I do take your historic point regarding our poor home record against you, but would much prefer to remember the very first premiership goal ever scored at the Emirates Stadium...oh Olof Mellberg you made our day...

  6. Ron

    May 21, 2015, 13:31 #71322

    Casual Dave - WBA are a small Club but a very decent side and TP has done well there. Theyre the type of Club who are a credit to football in many ways He and they are far from being ultra defensive. Theyve certainly earned more respect from us than have Villa ( a great Club nontheless as ive said) this last 20 years. Its nigh 18 years since Villa last beat us on yr own ground! WBA have little to play for. They ll give it a go im sure.

  7. Casual Dave

    May 21, 2015, 10:30 #71302

    Well last nights result could cost my club about 800k as Sunderland leapfrogged us on GD. I'm sure you lot would have got little insperation from the performance as the killer instict is obviously still missing. You will however have the chance to put that right on Saturday when Pulis and his Tesco Bags turn up with what I presume will be similar tactics ? On another note I have been informed (via our offcial website) that we have been allocated an extra 800 FA Cup final tickets...presume you have recieved the same ?

  8. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    May 21, 2015, 9:24 #71293

    315 minutes of football, and one own goal to show for it. Not looking too good at the moment is it.

  9. Alsace Lorraine

    May 21, 2015, 8:14 #71292

    Last night was as disappointing as it could possibly be. Wengers misuse of the subs agaainst the same old problem shows that he is incapable of learning. This bodes very ill for the Cup Final. We have two goalkeepers. One looks solid, the other vulnerable. Who will we play in the final? The vulnerable one, thus destabilising our entire defence. Only someone who is against Arsenal Football Club could make such a choice.

  10. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 20, 2015, 22:29 #71291

    Sorry it made no difference.

  11. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 20, 2015, 18:33 #71285

    jw, and the progress brigade will still be expecting a parade.

  12. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 20, 2015, 18:23 #71284

    Just watch the freedom we'll play with tonight free of pressure.

  13. Arseneknewbest

    May 20, 2015, 18:19 #71283

    casualdave - it's quaint of you to think that you're somehow helping your team by posting that stuff about victory parades, but the sad truth is that neither Arsenal nor Villa's top brass will be reading this (except perhaps your manager who is a huge gooner...). Maybe you should follow old Tony Butler's advice and get out your prayer mat. Here's a truism - You want your lot to win; by contrast, I want the same team as almost everyone else on here to win (except our chelski fan Jamie and Finsbury Joe), but let's not kid ourselves that any of us can affect the outcome. A big plus for the Arsenal would be if they actually analyse why their last few wembley appearances have been so underwhelming, and come up with a plan to mitigate it.

  14. jeff wright

    May 20, 2015, 18:14 #71282

    Too right Hiccup, even if we don't win the FAC there is still the 3rd place trophy to celebrate with lots of selfies of it all taken by our playes to post on Twitter .

  15. Hiccup

    May 20, 2015, 17:53 #71281

    The fact that we're capable of organising a victory parade will do for me, win or lose.

  16. Ron

    May 20, 2015, 17:12 #71280

    Nobody will eat humble pie and nor is there any arrogance. Local Authorities have to know these plans, as do the Police, as do the fire service and as do the ambulance services. The fact that plans are released is quite natural and not arrogant at all. The local community needs to know too. Use yr common sense casual dave.

  17. jeff wright

    May 20, 2015, 16:25 #71279

    Dave ,Villa will have their parade planned as well,that's what clubs have to do if they are going to have one it can't be left until the result is known. Interestingly no parade was planned for after the 2005 final v United in Cardiff. Perhaps no one at AFC expected us to win it !

  18. Casual Dave

    May 20, 2015, 16:08 #71278

    In a display of unreserved arrogance, Arsenal have released plans of their FA Cup victory parade, going as far as plotting a route for the open-top bus. Such activities are obviously planned in advance for a potential victory, but the fact that these details have been released show a lack of respect for Villa. The presumption that the underdogs will be sent back to Birmingham with their tails between their legs is quite insulting. But, one can only hope that their arrogance is used as a springboard for Villa`s determination to throw those plans into obsolescence. Personally, if we win, the victory is going to be a little sweeter knowing that the person who devised this victory parade is going to have mammoth slice of claret and blue humble pie to eat. It isn`t really a big deal, but everyone knows that the form book goes out of the window on FA Cup final day, so a presumption that victory is guaranteed shows a lack of respect for the opposition. Perhaps someone should ask Wenger about it in the post-match interview?

  19. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 20, 2015, 14:20 #71277

    Casual Dave, you can be quite sure that or anything else to do with the match will not be factored in as far as our old man is concerned he doesn't do factoring in for games. Now if it was the price of a player or some spread sheet or if some other club over spent, or the expenditure of Arsenal's long term growth in's and out's you can be dammed sure it will have been factored and not only by OGL his fans as well.

  20. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 20, 2015, 13:55 #71276

    Remember when we used to be in a battle an excited about who needs to be beat, what it's going to take, what needs to be done, won, etc, etc, for the last three or four games of the season to win the league? no me neither, those days are long long gone, Sad, instead here we are the league discarded long long ago (as usual)along with the last two or three games, as well as the last two to come, fretting over our past it manager cocking up a Cup final that he and others treated with disdain for years, and because of him and his antics and ineptitude have left a lot of fans not bothered if we win or lose. Sad.

  21. Tony Evans

    May 20, 2015, 13:41 #71275

    Casual Dave - Wenger and the boys thrive on pressure, and as for their mental strength - it's off the scale - oh hang on I've got the scale upside down!

  22. Casual Dave

    May 20, 2015, 13:32 #71274

    Bard, You're probably right, although a bit harsh on your judgement regarding our midfield. And I'm sure you will learn in good time prior to the final about the pre-match surprise that our fans are currently planning for our own team (and an atmospehric effect)as the players walk out. You may want to factor that in as well. I think somebodys already touched on the fact that we have now safe, so will just be going there to enjoy it, all the pressure will be on Mr Wenger me thinks

  23. Bard

    May 20, 2015, 12:56 #71272

    Some of these posts are unduly pessimistic. We will trounce Villa, the only way we will lose is if we get someone unfairly sent off, Villa are too rough with our midfield, we start far too slowly, have a dubious pen awarded against us, have a dodgy ref, the weather is too hot or too cold or Wenger gets his tactics wrong. Apart from any of those very unlikely possiblities its nailed on

  24. Charlie George Orwell

    May 20, 2015, 12:30 #71270

    'Arsenal must do their homework on Aston Villa now and take them seriously.' Yes. That would be nice. Then Wenger can formulate the best game plan --- Oh, have encountered a flaw...

  25. Tony Evans

    May 20, 2015, 12:15 #71269

    Juggernaut - like it, thanks for making me smile. I will be seething too, absolutely seething! But not surprised!

  26. Ron

    May 20, 2015, 11:53 #71268

    Casual Dave - Grealish looks a fine prospect. I like Sinclair too. Great Club the Villa. To be honest i think you're lads will win it IF theyre brave enough to get players wide and feed Benteke. He and Agbonlahor could tear up Mertersacker and Koschielny, both accidents waiting to happen. If Villa allow us on to you, i suspect you ll be over ran and maybe trounced. Sherwoods a brave chap and he ll need to be tactically. Attack Arsenal and theyre very beatable especially with the dodgy Goalkeeper we tolerate every Season.

  27. AMG

    May 20, 2015, 11:51 #71267

    No danger, Tim Sherwood's a Gooner! I'm quite concerned that our defence will be completely unable to cope with Benteke, he's everything we haven't been able to deal with for years, a real Drogba type. Can you picture Kos, BFG, Monreal or Bellerin being able to outjump him? There's no doubt it will take an off day from Benteke for Arsenal to keep a clean sheet. Let's just hope we can outscore them!

  28. Juggernaut.

    May 20, 2015, 11:45 #71266

    I will be absolutely livid if we lose the final through complacency. Livid.

  29. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    May 20, 2015, 10:53 #71264

    We all know that AFC should prepare for the Final, the question is will they? Going on past experience, I suggest it's highly unlikely.

  30. Mathew

    May 20, 2015, 10:47 #71263

    Wait until the season finishes, as the approach towards final will depend on it. I hope Wenger drops Ozil or Cazorla tonight or probably both, Wilshere & co. should get a run-in. Favorable fixtures have bought us back to where we belong, and no big spending is expected during the break.

  31. Casual Dave

    May 20, 2015, 10:25 #71262

    10 days and counting boys & girls ..... We've just signed Sinclair on a 4 year deal for a couple of quid and bag of beans, but I don't think he will start the cup final as we have a young lad called Jack Grealish who is keeping him out of the side. Keep an eye on this kid, I know you lot like a Jack.

  32. Bard

    May 20, 2015, 7:53 #71260

    Hiccup the qualifications come thick and fast. I now see the map. 'We are capable of being on the cusp of being off the shoulder' of being able to compete. That really is a statement of intent. Some great posts on Simon's article.

  33. Roy

    May 19, 2015, 23:42 #71258

    What's the old saying .... Fail to prepare, prepare to fail ? We got away with it last year purely because it was 'only' Hull, and that was a damn close run thing. The semi - final struggle this time showed that we learned nothing from the previous one v Wigan. The 8-0 aggregate in the league or Villa's 6 - 1 pasting at the weekend means absolutely sod all on May 30 and if we're not 100% on it from the off, we WILL get beat. There's more chance of a naughty schoolkid doing their 'homework' as you put it Simon.

  34. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 19, 2015, 23:37 #71257

    Just when you think you've heard it all, now OGL and his little technicians are a little to polite and respectful, just say it like it is, they're to bloody soft and haven't the balls.

  35. Tony Porter

    May 19, 2015, 22:30 #71256

    When I was young the mantra "The team that beats the Villa wins the Cup" (Aston Villa have won seven FA Cups, most in the early 20th Century)was still common. This year it will be true! Let's make sure the team that does it is ours....

  36. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 19, 2015, 19:09 #71255

    Hiccup, as usual it depends who it's coming from, and we all know who and what they are.

  37. Hiccup

    May 19, 2015, 18:59 #71254

    Well the final paragraph of this article has opened my eyes, and I have now repositioned my stance as a wob. For those of you demanding that Arsenal at least 'compete' for major trophies, take a step back, and embrace the new concept that Arsenal are now 'capable' of winning major honours. This year we were capable of winning the CL, but unfortunately Sanchez didn't turn up against the mighty Monaco. However, next year we are still capable of winning the CL, as long as Sanchez can be bothered to carry the rest of the team. That'll do for me. Christ, being capable of just competing would do me, but being capable of winning indicates undeniable progress.

  38. Mark from Aylesbury

    May 19, 2015, 17:47 #71253

    With Mr Rose being such a Wenger acolyte I am surprised he would accept any weakness in him. As others have said failing to be prepared would not even trouble supporters of Chelsea. I think Villa's thrashing willl not help as they will now play far tighter against us. Us playing gun ho could leave us with big spaces at the back and a very ponderous BFG caught wildly out of positions. In general our Wembley performances have been ponderous and timid. We should win , we can win but any slacking and its a sad end awaiting us

  39. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 19, 2015, 16:44 #71251

    theopants, excellent point, yes indeed at any other club and with any other manager in the prem that would be a given, we wouldn't even be disusing it, hoping for it, (and yes the fact we are says it all about this old has been of a manager)any other manager would even have the players on the training pitch working on how to counter act threats from dangerous players, opponents tactics, strengths, weaknesses, etc, etc, but this is Arsenal under a past it manager who thinks that's beneath him and he thinks he just has to turn up with a handful of light weight technicians and his out of date philosophies will do the rest. Could we not bring George Graham back for the final.

  40. jeff wright

    May 19, 2015, 16:34 #71250

    If Ozil was not a marquee type signing he would be on the bench instead of in the starting eleven. All the claims about him from inside Real Madrid regarding his off-field antics and on field lackadaisicalness have proven to be true. There have been comparisons with Berbatov and his laissez faire slouching about while producing moments of 'magic' approach to justify his position in the side. There is no doubt that Ozil is better playing with the big strong German players around him in the Deutschland national side and with their work rate they can carry a passenger and wait for him to pop up with a contribution to spice up their pragmatic performances. Our side though is very different to the German one and with the other midget technicians ,such as Ramsey , all trying to out Hollywood one another with flicks and tricks and not offering much defensively , we can't afford a passenger who in any case rarely scores and has a poor record overall in big games. He was actually our worst player in last season's cup final completely anonymous. His main contribution was to chuck his boots into the crowd at the end.They would not have needed much cleaning.

  41. theopants superstar

    May 19, 2015, 15:54 #71248

    Or old episodes of Sesame Street!!

  42. jjetplane

    May 19, 2015, 15:48 #71247

    With WESTIE on that one. Judge Wenger after the final and while we are at it let us judge the man in two years ... The way Theo sees it ....... See old JM doing an Arsene by laughing off a defeat. I guess having won the Pl he has some excuse. If you really want to watch Ozil - try the shopping channel.

  43. theopants superstar

    May 19, 2015, 13:49 #71244

    Fantastic article Simon. But those kind of things should be a 'given' at any professional football club. Doesn't the fact that you feel the need to write such a piece say so much about modern day Arsenal under Wenger?

  44. maguiresbridge gooner

    May 19, 2015, 13:31 #71243

    Well Simon at least you didn't say arsene has to do his homework, that would have been the biggest laugh of the season, but i suppose Arsenal can be classed as the same thing (unfortunately)so you can still be sure it won't. They'll turn up probably not even having looked at a DVD talked about any player, threat, tactic/tactics that might be used against them, cocky, thinking they're superior just like the last time to be told by TOF go out and play your natural game (whatever that is)and just like last time very nearly getting embarrassed (and it wouldn't have been the first time) get away with it by the skin of their teeth, (and if you think they're going to be sitting down hour after hour doing any of the above let alone put them to practice on the training ground more fool you)Our only hope is if things are going wrong the players take it upon themselves like they did at city to put it right. And then wengerites can hail OGL as some sort of genius raising their glasses and toasting him all night, and he'll be grinning like a Cheshire cat lapping it up, AKB's will be telling us a corner has been turned (yet again) and this is it the real thing (yet again) and it really sets us up for a tilt at the title next season only for the inevitable.

  45. sanjay

    May 19, 2015, 13:23 #71242

    What worries me about Villa is their pacey attack. If they isolate BFG and Kos isn't on his game it could be a very painful afternoon. We also have Chesney no chums in goal. I would rather have Flappy in goal as our second goalkeeper than this clown. The fame really has got to his head. One thing that will work in our favour is we now have a side that has won a trophy, so there won't be the same sort of pressure heaped on us as last season. One player that deserves a trophy more than any other Arsenal player is Sanchez. Absolute top draw professional with amazing work rate and heart.

  46. Alsace Lorraine du Witton Tram Museum

    May 19, 2015, 13:19 #71241

    Welcome Casual Dave. I'm afraid that you won't get much argument from us. Your biggest asset at the final is Arsene Wenger. Unfortunately for you we at last have some grownups in the team and they may, if picked (as opposed to the reserves or the ladies or whoever he feels like on the day) well settle your hash. But as Jim Davidson says of his many weddings, after all it's a day out.

  47. Casual Dave

    May 19, 2015, 13:13 #71240

    Must have taken you all of two minutes to cobble that lot together,you could of saved the paragraphs and just wrote; 'On Paper Arsenal should win it' But deep down I can smell your fear...The possible embarresment,The underdog rising to the occassion, The atmosphere from the opposing fans, The ex Spurs mans post match interview, and of course the headlines from the gutter press 24 hours later; TIGER TIMS LIONS TEAR THE 'R'S OUT OF ARESENAL

  48. jjetplane

    May 19, 2015, 12:36 #71239

    Yes - all this bashing is rather unbecoming but it appears anyone can be a rip roaring gunner these days. More gin Stan?

  49. goonercolesyboy

    May 19, 2015, 12:03 #71237

    This continued Wenger, player and team bashing is all rather uneccesary.

  50. Ozzie

    May 19, 2015, 11:37 #71236

    Looks like we have a new coach :)

  51. Tony Evans

    May 19, 2015, 10:58 #71235

    Ron - Can't see Wenger walking even if we lose. He may have done last year against Hull as he was under much more pressure to deliver a trophy.

  52. Ron

    May 19, 2015, 10:43 #71233

    Good post Simon. Soft underbellies rule then! Arsenals is like a blancmange and has been for 10 years, never mind Villa s. Simon, When did Wenger ever check out opponents? On his own admission, he doesnt. He allows Barca Lite to go and play and let them worry about his team, though not many do worry these days! I hope we turn up but forecast a Villa FAC win at Round 4 stage and i still think they ll win it! Gunners cd roll them over of course but Sherwood will have them fired up for sure. On the plus side, IF we do lose, defeat might have a silver lining and prove to be the catalyst to be shot of Wenger or prompt him to walk so you could say its a win win situ for AFC?

  53. Bard

    May 19, 2015, 10:28 #71232

    Form is no guide to how a Cup Final turns out. Its who's up for it on the day. I have no idea whether we will turn up on the day. If we play like we did in the first hour against Unt then we will lose but if we are at it from the off we stand a good chance of winning it. What we do need is a bit more pace up front so we can get behind them and force them deeper. We need Danny fit.

  54. Stu

    May 19, 2015, 10:17 #71228

    "Villa showed an incredibly soft underbelly" From an Arsenal fan this is comical..we are the softest team in the league once a team gets at us we collapse aka Monaco .alos Villa actually outplayed Liverpool in the semi final and are there because they deserve to be . Remember we were gifted a goal by Reading.

  55. Delford Magaya

    May 19, 2015, 9:24 #71227

    I don't think they will underrate Aston Villa, if they do that, they will lose the game. They must stay alert and guard the Aston Villa players. The team that wins the game will perform in 90 minutes time, Arsenal should start the game with confidence and there is no time to start by defending. they should defend as a team and attack as a team, if they relax they will leave to regret because Aston Villa have nothing to lose. Normally underdogs are very dangerous when it comes to cup final, I think Wenger and his players are aware about it. If Arsenal win the FA, it will be a morale boost for next season when they start the Premier League, but if they lose, it will be like there is funeral.

  56. Tony Evans

    May 19, 2015, 9:21 #71226

    Westie - I agree that we have not performed against supposedly inferior opposition in finals long before Wenger took the reigns, but he does nothing for my confidence that it's not going to happen again. Let's hope not anyway.

  57. Seven Kings Gooner

    May 19, 2015, 9:10 #71225

    Simon: I think we should always do our homework on every single team we play and on every single player in the team we are playing - it is called professionalism. For me this cup final hinges on two players, Benteke and Giroud. Whoever has the better game will win the game for his team, the other image I have in my mind's eye is of Agbonlahor cutting in from the left and drilling in a cross shot to win in for Villa. The run up to May 30th is so like the 1978 final v Ipswich, on the day Ipswich clicked and we were a disaster. I do agree that some of our key players should be rested till next week, key point, will Wenger have the nerve to play Gabriel to man mark Benteke, if he starts the BFG I think Villa's front two will tear us apart.

  58. Wolfgang

    May 19, 2015, 9:09 #71224

    The headline is correct.If Wenger thinks AV are pushovers,he will be in for a shock.Freed from fear of relegation,the AV players will be relaxed and will be underdogs. TS will have noticed how Wenger likes to play and will prepare his players accordingly.This is the epl where a bottom /mid table team can beat atop team. This is so much unlike in Spain where Barcelona and RM are 90 % sure of winning . If Arsenal play like in the Swansea game,they will lose. Then Wenger better not say Arsenal are unlucky again.

  59. HowardL

    May 19, 2015, 9:07 #71223

    WYC - lucky you!

  60. Wear Your Colours

    May 19, 2015, 9:05 #71222

    HowardL, I didn't see the Swindon (1969) defeat, a little too young.

  61. W

    May 19, 2015, 8:51 #71221

    I think West lower is right- he should rest some of our key players after starting them six times running. If players like Rosicky, Walcott, chambers, Wilshere etc can't get 3 points from Sunderland and west brom then it would show they're not up to it

  62. Westlower

    May 19, 2015, 8:45 #71220

    @Tony, it's a bit premature to blame Wenger for an impending defeat a couple of weeks before the game. At least let's see how the game pans out before we start the blame game. The previous disasters that Wear Your Colours listed were all pre-Wenger & he forgot to add the Swindon defeat, probably the most embarrassing in Arsenal's history. I don't recall us blaming the manager of the day, Bertie Mee, even after that humiliation.

  63. Tony Evans

    May 19, 2015, 8:34 #71219

    Knowing the Arsenal under Wenger in recent years every instinct tells me it's a disaster waiting to happen. Wenger seems incapable of sending a team out fully motivated and 'up for it' right from the off when the opposition are deemed a push-over. I have a mental picture in my mind of Arsenal in the first half hour of the final, not even out of first gear, with Villa buzzing round us like flies and probably going 1 up. I am not saying we are going to lose but we all know with near certainty that if we do win we will not make it easy for ourselves because of our lackadaisical approach. Also your point, Simon, about Sanchez being our match winner is slightly nullified because the guy is running on empty at the moment and I sincerely hope Wenger rests him now until the final.

  64. HowardL

    May 19, 2015, 8:24 #71217

    Spot on Simon! Villa almost beat Man City too - but for an incorrect offside decision (which also cost me £50).WYC - did you forget Swindon or just didn't see it?

  65. Wear Your Colours

    May 19, 2015, 8:18 #71216

    We should always treat the opposition with respect. A Cup Final is a one-off game and I have seen us lose several times when we were clear favourites. Ipswich (1978), West Ham (1980), Luton (1988), Real Zaragoza (1995) as well as Birmingham (2011) all underline that just turning-up is not an option. I am sure we will approach the fixture with a healthy respect for Villa but if the result was a foregone conclusion, no-one would be interested in watching it. COYG!

  66. Joe S.

    Dec 08, 2012, 0:28 #29324

    It's true. Chamberlain has been the disappointment of the deason. After the promise of last season he is starting to look ordinary.I hope this is just a temporary loss of confidence and form because the team badly needs someone to provide energy and go - forward.Rosickey,Arteta Ramsey and Waqlcot have nothing to offer beyond the odd decent game.hey are so uninspiring that I can't even be bothered to check if I have spelt their names correctly.

  67. In Arsene We Trust

    Dec 07, 2012, 12:23 #29298

    @Stroud Green Road Boy: I blame you entitled Wenger Out brigade. If Wenger rested Carzola on any of those matches that are more important than the CL match with Olympiacos, you people will whine about how he should have played him. Wenger can't win no matter what he does with you lot. I think the squad is good enough, we are just unlucky with injuries for the past few seasons, so I don't know what you mean about insufficient squad depth. Piers Morgan or Stewart Robson taught you that one? Bringing in players isn't easy you people seems to think it is. It's not easy for a manager to find the next Messi or Ronaldo like it is in a video game. If it was, Wenger would have brought in whatever player he wants. Come back down to reality, as this is not fantasy football. Quit your moaning and support the club. Arsene knows best.

  68. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 06, 2012, 20:00 #29262

    The any reason to criticise Wenger and then the reposta, is very amusing...keep thinking of the reasons cynics, soon it will be because he is French...you couldn't make this up.

  69. Stevesam

    Dec 06, 2012, 18:44 #29257

    @Trevor - Why is Ramsey wearing the Arsenal shirt and why was he our main midfield player in a CL away game, that we could and should have won - AW, simple mate. Pure management negligence. You may blame Ramsey, I blame AW !

  70. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Dec 06, 2012, 16:49 #29252

    @In Arsene We Trust, whose fault it is that Carzola has played 5 matches in 15 days? Whose fault is it we don't have sufficient squad depth meaning he can't be rested? Who, knowing before the season started that we'd be playing in the CL, should ensure he has a squad that can cope with injuries and a heavy fixture list? There is only one answer, can you work out what it is?

  71. Highbury Diva

    Dec 06, 2012, 10:01 #29214

    Nick, I have wanted to say exactly what you did about the cult of Wenger. It is hard to fathom that he still has this blind following given the steady decline in the team over the last few years. Yes, he had great success once but it has gone and we need to move on.His judgement is now so clearly flawed and there's the tactical ineptitude,the bad purchases (think Silvestre as well as the oft mentioned Chamakh and Squillaci) His stubbornness and delusional comments actually remind me of the dying days of Thatcher's reign. It took Geoffrey Howe to stand up in parliament and publicly question her to start the ball rolling. Do you see anyone doing that in the boardroom? No, it will have to start with the fans being more vocal in the ground. "Wenger. In the name of God, GO!!"

  72. In Arsene We Trust

    Dec 06, 2012, 9:56 #29213

    @Goonersaurus: easy, just look at the number of matches they have played. Cazorla played 5 matches in 15 days. You must be blind if you don't think that fatigue will set in our players with the gruelling schedule they have. As talented and great our players are they are human. Real football isn't like FIFA video game where players have super stamina. Get back to reality. @Reg: the likes Man City and Chelsea won't getting that trophy! Be proud we made it to the last 16. Arsene knows best.

  73. Tony Evans

    Dec 06, 2012, 8:34 #29208

    RON - I wish you were right and Wenger did realise that we haven't a cat in hells chance of winning the CL but sadly he really does believe it, I am sure. Along with believing that we can still catch Manure at the top of the table. There really is no end to his delusions of grandeur and this is the major problem we have becuase he really thinks we have a great squad of players - unbelievable I know but he does! 6OONER PETE - You and me both mate.

  74. ppp

    Dec 06, 2012, 1:46 #29206

    If the English lads like Wilshere, Jenkinson and Gibbs can hold down their places and click with the Spaniards then we will be much better off. Walcott and Chamberlain are in an incredible position - they have an Arsenal team begging to be grabbed hold of and molded in their image. They could easily play either side of Giroud and cause havoc - they just have to start believing and making it happen. The same goes for lads like Szczesny and Ramsey. They have an incredible chance here... It's not often a club like Arsenal has a wide open field like this! I'd like to see Giroud given proper competition up front. We should buy a classy forward in January. An argument could be made for a top keeper as well. Wenger STAYS - buys a couple of players and gets the team winning again.

  75. Norwegian Gooner

    Dec 06, 2012, 1:02 #29205

    Sorry but Ramsey will never be good enough for Arsenal.I think he will struggle to get in the starting eleven for most of the league one clubs.

  76. trevor

    Dec 05, 2012, 23:57 #29204

    Stevesam...Average is being kind, mate. Ramsey was woeful. Even our esteemed Editor is suggesting that his time is up. You, on the other hand, are in denial, mate. Nobody cares about the status of other team's midfields, by the way. It's a distraction from the inevitable conclusion that Ramsey, along with several others, are not fit to wear an Arsenal shirt. Plain and simple.

  77. goonercolesyboy

    Dec 05, 2012, 23:37 #29203

    The same people on here post the same old lethargic cynical nonsense...I laugh when I read the comments and just have to be grateful that I haven't stooped to their level. Bah humbug to most on here...this site should be renamed the online Cynics.

  78. Mark Rice

    Dec 05, 2012, 23:10 #29202

    But we showed great mental strength lads .... Roll on the weekend where it might prove a little too cold for our poor tied lads to raise their game ... Bless them!!

  79. Stevesam

    Dec 05, 2012, 21:30 #29200

    It was inevitable that Ramsey would be the main target for criticism today by the usual suspects. He did look average in a poor team. With Rosicky to offer some assistance in the first half we played better but as soon as the pre- planned half time substitution was made of Arshavin for Rosicky, Ramsey was on his own. Our 2nd half midfield of Ramsey, The Ox, The Coq and the Meercat was woeful. Ramsey was left with the task of bossing the midfield with no quality midfield players to work with. I am not trying to say Ramsey is a great player but considering the circumstances he gave 100%. Can anyone name any other team that played away, in the CL, either last night or tonight with only one average player in midfield, as their main man ? To me this is a clear indication of our sad decline. Only one person to blame for the lack of quality and depth – AW. Would Ramsey get in the Invincibles – No. He would not even get near the bench, but please be fair to him, last night he was given the task of making things happen in a team of strangers and misfits. Look at the bench, should we as a Club be in this position ? To me it does not matter who we play in the next round, we do not have the quality to progress. We have sold the family silver. Meade was ok but shall never make the top level as he is too small and lightweight. Does TV inspire as a Captain ? The buck stops with AW. I feel sorry for all those fans that spent time and money travelling.

  80. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 05, 2012, 20:37 #29198

    Nick, i might be wrong but are they the cult that have mass marriages ? the emirates could easily accommodate 30,000 weddings now there's a money making idea the corporate department would make a tidy profit.

  81. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 05, 2012, 20:19 #29197

    Nick, as trigger in only fools and horses said easy to get into but a bark to get out of.

  82. Debbie

    Dec 05, 2012, 19:58 #29195

    I can't decide whether I would rather face Barcelona in the knock out stages or save them for the final. Any thoughts?

  83. Matthew Rose

    Dec 05, 2012, 19:19 #29193

    I dont think I,ve ever seen a less motivated Arsenal side in my years of watching them,No passion,No spirit,No clue.What does Wenger do at training all week? It isnt defensive tactics thats for sure.Something is seriously wrong at the club at first team level,I cannot think of one player who has actually got better under Wenger in recent years,they all seem to be getting worse,there is no developement in any of them.Is Wenger coaching the talent OUT of them? Walcott,Ox,Gibbs,the list goes on,all seem to have regressed on the field,and I am beyond frustrated with the general malaise and losing mentality amongst the players.I think the blame lies firmly with Wenger,after all Gazides doesnt pick the team that looks so poor most of the time.Get Wenger out now!

  84. smithy

    Dec 05, 2012, 18:54 #29191

    I really do wonder what they practice in training, as the passing and awareness was really poor. The team seem to be totally unaware of each other and their spacial awareness of when and where to lay off a simple pass. Gervinho was simply appalling last night but has demonstrated the inability to get his head up since joining arsenal.Ramsey was equally as poor, wenger should give them both time out to rebuild their confidence in the reserves. As to the young forward on the bench why was he not given a run out-what did we learn by playing cham and gervinho? we know neither are good enough for a front line striker at a top four team. Well done to meade though!

  85. 600NER PETE

    Dec 05, 2012, 18:33 #29190

    Tony Evans If we lose to WBA I'd like him to say " For the past four years I haven't really had a clue about what I'm doing despite being paid £7 million a year, and so I feel it is only fair that I resign"

  86. Thomas

    Dec 05, 2012, 18:25 #29189

    We were always going to lose last night.But what it showed is how piss poor our second eleven is.Get your money on Bradford now.Well done Rosicky for lasting 45 mins have a good christmas and we will see you again next september.Ramsey wasnt our worst player because Gervinho and Chamakh(more oil on his head than an oil slick) were on the pitch.Both these nobodies earn £60k a week.At least Dick Turepin wore a mask.As for the manager of the decade( i know what a joke)how can anyone take him seriously wearing that coat

  87. Reg

    Dec 05, 2012, 17:58 #29188

    @ In Arsene We Trust. I'm thrilled with the last 16 trophy! Off for a kip, I've been working 11 days on now and I'm a little fatigued.

  88. In Arsene We Die

    Dec 05, 2012, 17:36 #29187

    Barcelona will be waiting for us in the knockout stage and will eliminate us again i just hope we will have a shot this time.When will clueless realise Squillaci Ramsey Gervinhp and Chamakh are garbage players.Oh i forgot he bought them.He really does know.And that other clown Kroenke buys a ranch for £80m.Thanks Stan

  89. Kevin Kong

    Dec 05, 2012, 17:32 #29186

    @ Tony Evans. If we lose to WBA, my £10 is riding on the excuse "We were possibly a little bit scared."

  90. Graham Simons

    Dec 05, 2012, 17:12 #29185

    The reason we have players suffering fatigue is our manager has signed a whole bunch of players he doesn't trust which has meant overplaying a core of 14-16 players resulting in injury. Those players didn't magically appear at the Emirates - Wenger signed them and now regards them as surplus to requirements and this is the man we trust to spend more of our money in January so he can shunt off yet more players to the non-playing staff contingent?!! He has been a great servant of Arsenal football club but if you're going to sign rubbish at least have the balls to stand by the rubbish you've signed or attempt to coach them into being better players. For a man that believes in youth development it's tragic how few Arsenal players have become better players under Wenger. If he had been in charge in the 1980s we probably would never have even heard of the likes of Merson, Davis, Thomas, Parlour, dear old Rocky or even Tony Adams.

  91. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 05, 2012, 16:58 #29184

    OGL has had plenty to say today about the fifth or six official not flagging for a goal kick, claiming they did not do their job in a serious way.Well arsene the defence also didn't do their job in a serious way having ample opportunity to clear the bloody thing. (as usual)

  92. Angry & Frustrated

    Dec 05, 2012, 16:46 #29183

    @Tony Evans - How about "The players were over rested, and therefore were out of condition"!!

  93. Goonersaurus

    Dec 05, 2012, 15:55 #29181

    In Arsene We Trust - why is it only our manager citing fatigue at this point of the season, especially when results dont go our way, to the majority of fans it's a crap excuse. I can appreciate resting players if we've already qualified, yes it would've been nice to win our group but at the end of the day at least we're not Man City.

  94. Jude Jolicoeur

    Dec 05, 2012, 15:12 #29180

    Another “brilliant” performance by Ramsey. I'm sure his admirers enjoyed that one. Well done by our alleged greatest prospect. The bloke's absolute rubbish and the excuses and justifications for him being anywhere near, let alone in, our first team have become a joke.

  95. Moscow Gooner r

    Dec 05, 2012, 14:41 #29179

    Let s not get on the Ox s back now, in the way we ve done with Ramsay (and before that with Walcott). He s a kid trying to play his way into a team that has zero confidence, with a manager clearly on his way out and with little clue as to how best to use him. Better we loan him out until the dust has settled - he ll be a big force for both AFC and England in the future but two years off. (What s the betting that Jack will be the next in line to get stick?)

  96. Nick

    Dec 05, 2012, 14:40 #29178

    Jack what the hell is a "WOB" or a MOB" for that matter, instead of lucid argument you resort to name calling with your stupid abbreviations, i for one consider myself in neither camp, i think im in the ARSENAL camp, because ALL i care about is the CLUB, and NO man is bigger than the club not Wenger, not Gazidis, not Kronke even, it just happens to be mine and a lot of other peoples opinion that THE CLUB would be better off WITHOUT the aforementioned characters .

  97. Nick

    Dec 05, 2012, 14:29 #29176

    Back in the day there were a group of people called moonies , they followed a Reverend Moon , they gave him all their money and were brainwashed into believing everything their guru told them , however ludicrous it seemed, now it appears they or their like have resurfaced at Arsenal, and are in the "Wenger Cult" they too hand over their hard earned money to his cause and also believe whatever he tells them, however insane it sounds to right thinking people, i believe in the end the Reverend Moon was exposed as a liar and a fraud, one can only hope that the "cult" of Wengerism is also found out sooner rather than later.

  98. Comical Ali

    Dec 05, 2012, 14:25 #29175

    Don't worry comrades, Arsenal will finish in the top 3 in the PL this season, to compliment magnificent performances in the FA Cup (winners) and Champions League (semi-finalists).

  99. Tony Evans

    Dec 05, 2012, 14:02 #29172

    I expect Clueless will now be desperately trying to think up a new potty excuse should we lose to WBA because he can't say the players were jaded as most of the first team were rested last night. Anyone got any ideas what it might be?

  100. johnnyh

    Dec 05, 2012, 13:53 #29171

    couldnt agree more about,chamakh,gervinho and ramsey. they really are dreadful and i could name at least another ten. there is speculation that we will buy reina from liverpool in january,a goalkeeper who makes as many blunders as the keepers we already have!! the protests by fans must continue and i hope we keep losing until he goes,things have become critical,we really do need rid of wenger before he purchases more rubbish in january.

  101. jjetplane

    Dec 05, 2012, 13:50 #29170

    1.Since when was Spudland on the London map. Go looksie. 2. Going to Greece does not give a fan bragging rights. 3. Come on you Baggies! Lets ship this prof back to his mountain retreat and let Bouldie take over. 4. We know, Wenger does not.

  102. CanadaGooner

    Dec 05, 2012, 13:25 #29167

    to all those lashing chamberlain; seriously folks, this is a guy who was playing (and not even regularly) at southampton not too long ago. If a team like arsenal (with the money we spend + the manager's wages) has to depend on a 19yr old to carry us, something is very wrong! same for jenkinson last weekend; it was an awful (naive) play, but then, should these young lads be playing week in week out at a club like arsenal with the money we claim to have? the players we continue to criticize on this site should in fairness only be backup squad players at this point in time, but that seems to be the description fitting majority of the players we have bought (and to those who would single Wenger out for that blame: I dont disagree with you - if we had been more serious about the carling cup over the years, we wont have this 7+year thing hanging over our heads and we would be able to attract better players). tell me which decent player out there would pick a team that hasnt won anything in 7 seasons over a chance to join Man City, Chelsea or Man Utd?! we are where we are, and the players we can attract are the ones we have; we now need someone who can make something happen with those players (can wenger change his elitist mentality to make this work? i'm not so sure he can).

  103. Clockender78

    Dec 05, 2012, 13:01 #29166

    Scratch team yes but familiar tale. Awful defending, sloppy passing, no tactics. Whoever we come up against in last 16 we will struggle. Meade played well, so special mention for him. Ramsey gets loads of stick, most of it deserved, I actually feel sorry for him though as he should be nowhere near first team. Gervinho is possibly the worst player I've seen in the shirt in my 25 plus years of following the arsenal..

  104. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Dec 05, 2012, 13:01 #29165

    "we must now wait for the draw, but we wanted to be first" says OGL who put out a reserve side..........how many more times are you going to try to pull the wool over people's eyes AW? Oh, and North London Pride, midtable mediocrity is something you should be an expert on by now.

  105. DvbrisG

    Dec 05, 2012, 12:41 #29163

    I don't know how anyone can criticise Chamakh last night. The man put in a real shift up front on his own. In the second-half he won every header but got no support from Oxlade-Chamberlain (who seemingly can not be given any stick for his awful season so far). How about some credit where it's due?

  106. Ron

    Dec 05, 2012, 12:35 #29161

    Lets firstly be clear that it was a dead rubber match. Can sort of see why a team of stiffs were sent. WBA next week end is the priority now and the Club arent going past whoever they draw in the KO s anyway. Wengers not totally daft and he knows it surely. Having said that, it was pretty awful wasnt it. Nothing much to say apart from it beggers belief how so many in that line up actually made it as pro players!Dismal match and two dismal teams.I hope those who went at least had a good time in Greece.

  107. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 05, 2012, 12:32 #29160

    I suppose there's not much point getting on the backs of the fringe players when the first team players are just as bad did we expect anything else with mediocrity only sloppiness ? Have we felt to worked up about any of them kev ? A decent goal from Rosicky alright an improvement from Swansea where he couldn't even be bothered to put in a tackle on their goal scorer.

  108. denver kid

    Dec 05, 2012, 12:25 #29158

    Crisis wot crisis,more pearls of wisdom from our tent wearing napoleon,will he meet his Waterloo at Bradford

  109. Ed enough...

    Dec 05, 2012, 11:14 #29157

    North London Pride: AKA Closet Gooner Clearly..... Get of our site you Mug!!!!!!!!!!!

  110. Gare Kekeke

    Dec 05, 2012, 10:57 #29155

    The performance and result shouldn’t surprise anyone even if it was a ‘second’ team. Rosicky took his goal well and his experience for the remainder of the season hopefully will be useful. But yet again defensively we were found wanting. Credit to Szczesny for keeping the score down. Personally I think it’s worrying that our goalkeepers are constantly doing this. Wenger can the praise the keepers till the cows come home but it’s obvious that defensive issues in the past still haven’t been resolved along with our profligacy in front of goal. As for us in the European Cup this season, if our history particularly under Wenger is anything to be go by, then a first European Cup win for us will still be pending especially with our defensive issues. And I don’t subscribe to the theory that we can fluke it a la Chelsea last season. But Wenger deserves credit for reaching the last sixteen every year since 2000/01. A stat for all of us; we haven’t won a European Cup knockout away tie since Milan in March 2008 and with the exception of Villarreal (a 1-1 draw) in April 2009, every knockout away game has resulted in us losing. Seeing as money is king at The Arsenal these days, and then it’s important that we progress far and not just settle for being there. One last thing; UEFA plan a major shake-up for their team ranking & coefficient points systems for their competitions. You don’t need me to remind you that one of the reasons why we have always been amongst the top seeds in the group stage draw is because of the excellent efforts of our Premier League rivals Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea & even Tottenham. With the exception of the latter, in the last decade the aforementioned clubs can point towards European Cup wins, further finals and more semi-finals than us hence boosting our points considering we have been average barring a few seasons. Soon, coefficient points will be calculated on a teams’ performance only so unless we buck up, providing we finish top four in the league of course, we’ll annually end up being drawn in a ‘group of death’ similar to Man City this season and under Wenger that is frightening. See you all on Saturday for West Brom for a must-win game. Up The Arsenal!

  111. In Arsene We Trust

    Dec 05, 2012, 10:38 #29152

    You people should be happy that we reached the knockout stages. Would you rather be like Man City where they are out of Europe altogether? What a bunch of ingrates. Wenger made a smart move resting many of our 1st team starters, as our blip in the EPL lately shows that a lot of our 1st team players are showing fatigue. Better to rest them than playing them in an unimportant match. Arsene knows best.

  112. WE SOLD VAN PERSIE

    Dec 05, 2012, 10:27 #29150

    last night I could only watch in amazement the players off the ball for arsenal. Almost zero movement. When they lost the ball the effort was crap. We would not put up with that in our kids teams on a saturday or sunday. That was a diabolical joke. Wenger has to be honest and stop bull ****ting about desire. Never have I seen proffesional players have to point to where they wanted the ball so much from team mates either. Its like they are strangers. What the **** are they doing at the training ground? There seems to be a disease at the club at the moment. Laziness. Its disgusting coming from these pampered way way over paid so called footballers. Whats happened to their pride? The manager has a big task on his hands . He must start with telling some home truths. Its very sad seeing Wenger putting up with this. Usually it means its already too late. Fingers crossed we see a massive turn in attitude over the christmas period. If we dont the decline will begin. No champions league is a nightmare for the club.Anyone thinking any different is dilusional.

  113. chris dee

    Dec 05, 2012, 10:20 #29149

    1st or 2nd in the group means Jack S**t unless you are capable of winning the trophy,and we're not. A more important match in which to play a strong team is against Bradford next week.A win there would put us 3 wins away from a trophy and get the 'no trophies in 7/8/9 years etc ' monkey of our backs.It is tailor made for the players to give three resilient,high class performances and boost the morale and lift the despondency surrounding the club at the moment. I'm sure Arsene will field our strongest line up in the 4 games that could tranform our season,he will surely not play Djourou,Chamakh,Squillaci etc in these matches and by pass the chance of a trophy,would he,would he? Yes he bloody well would! Aaron Ramsey is coming in for a load of stick these days ,but I would just remind everyone how his leg was shattered by Shawcross in a break that could have ended his career.Before Shawcross's shameful attack Ramsay was one of the best youngsters in Europe.He has undoubtedly lost a yard in pace and has still to adapt his game,I sure he will come good,but at the moment he seems to be trying to hard and attempting killer passes which cannot always come off instead of keeping it simple.I like the guy and at least he does hide or dissappear during games despite the stick he gets from the terraces,unlike some others.

  114. Angry & Frustrated

    Dec 05, 2012, 10:09 #29148

    We all know that we will get Barcelona next, and at least we have prepared for that game by only having 32% possession last night! If Wenger were to actually use all his energy on the touchline doing the job for which he is paid handsomely, rather then spending most of the time bickering with the officials it would help his cause. Instead he is determined to drag both his and the clubs reputation through the mud with his touchline antics. Most peoples eye site deteriorates with age, but Wenger's appear to have improved dramatically, as he now sees everything and isn't slow in haranguing the fourth official endlessly. To me it's a sign that he is a spent force, as he simply can't fathom out why everything is going wrong, which is why he hits out at officials, rather than look in a mirror for the answers! Sad, indeed very sad, but then you have to look towards our board who simply sit idly by and do nothing, other than count money. He needs putting out of his misery, because he will be the very last person to realize his time has been and gone. The whole situation was preventable and shameful.

  115. Peter Wain

    Dec 05, 2012, 10:07 #29147

    A predictable result given the lack of quality at the club. I doubt if the ones left behind would have made much difference. Defensively we are a total shambles. Whoever plays they look totally out of their depth and the chances of keeping a clean sheet gets remoter by the match. Up front I thought Chamak was decent by his standards but I do not see why Gervinho played all 90 minutes. Given his lack of ability it would have been more beneficial if one of the youngsters had gained some experience. Frankly the African cup cannot come quickly enough. Ramsey's only decent pass was the one wich set uo the equaliser shame it was for Olympiacos. Ox seems to be going backwards at a rate of knots he did nothing in the game. Again it was interesting to note the manager says we can only play 45 minutes and then we tire. He must be told that games last over 90 minutes and need to train the players for this. On to Staurday which is a must win and win well game.

  116. Gooner SA

    Dec 05, 2012, 9:48 #29145

    Another poor performance from Vermaelen and assuming Koscielny is still injured, he'll play alongside Mertesacker on Saturday. Fill your boots West Brom. Having finished second I wonder which Spanish team beginning with B Arsenal is going to draw on the 20th?!!

  117. Jack

    Dec 05, 2012, 9:37 #29144

    Don't worry WOB's you'll soon have your gangster Russian in charge he will surely put the evil Wenger to the sword. As for Gazidas and Kroenke their days are numbered too. I can see a new order taking place a new Phoenix rising from the ashes. Arsenal will become so rich we can buy who we want win everything and will even have the special one in charge. But after a while the former WOB's who are now MOB's will say "We're tired of all this,We want our Arsenal back".

  118. Pathetic Moaners!

    Dec 05, 2012, 9:35 #29143

    If we had won last night all you whingers would have been on here still slating Wenger: "the players won IN SPITE OF that clueless clown".. "papering over the cracks Arsene must go!!" etc. etc. Are all of you seriously that stupid, that you bemoan running our starting 11 into the ground, then moan because Wenger fields a weakened 11? So now if Wenger doesnt play Meade in follow up games, because of this one good showing, Wenger has lost it? For the record I think Wenger should go as well, but the comments on here are mostly ridiculous. Some of you really need to work on your lives outside Arsenal as it is clear you use this team and pounce on any losses, to vent all your frustrations. It is just sad really.

  119. Reg the Gooner

    Dec 05, 2012, 9:14 #29141

    Kev the players you mention were all terrble but no mention of Chamberlain for some reason.Another one of Wengers failed buy them young policy.This season his form has been dire.Remember that song "The Emperors new clothes" it sums up Wengers signings in the last couple of years Gervinho £12m Chamberlain £12m Santos £7m Giround £12m a total of £43m its just unbelieveable

  120. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Dec 05, 2012, 8:58 #29140

    North London's Shame, it's 51 years and counting for you. I'd worry more about what's happened in your own back yard all that time instead of trying to poke your head over your neighbour's wall.

  121. Bob

    Dec 05, 2012, 8:57 #29139

    North London pride: Pride? 51 years, the pain goes on.

  122. Eddie

    Dec 05, 2012, 8:48 #29138

    The same old rubbish from a Wenger side.Misplaced passes and poor defending.Chamakh used more energy doing his hair before the game than in the game he proved yet again he was worth every penny we paid for him.The same cant be said for that clown Gervinho we actually paid £12m for him!!!One of the worst players i have seen in an Arsenal shirt.When will the penny drop dont sign any more rubbish from the French league.I'm surprised Kev you didnt mention the over-hyped Chamberlain another Feo in the making.All hype sadly.It doesnt matter who we draw in the knockout stage we are out.Wenger is like Brian Clough at Forest where no one would get rid of him while the club fell apart around him.The pain of watching Arsenal continues

  123. Mike

    Dec 05, 2012, 8:17 #29135

    Please add the OX to the list - he becomes more mediocre each game - the one positive though is that Rosicky has started where he left off last year

  124. Wolfgang

    Dec 05, 2012, 8:10 #29134

    After taking the lead the gunners go on to lose again. Granted they have the only a handful of senior players but at least they could have fought for a draw.The only positive can get is Rosicky comingfromdeep o score. hopefully this could be a feature of the gunner tactics. The Albion game could be tough. If Wenger says he can improve the gunners he better make sure the team scores first and win and not otherwise. If this scenario happens agin it means the disease of losing despite taking the lead is criminal and unacceptable.

  125. Canterbury Gooner

    Dec 05, 2012, 7:58 #29133

    @North London Pride- Your charmless club, without a history, would do better to stay quiet until a) you're better than Europa League standard b) you've consistently finished above us in the league, or at least once in the last few years!

  126. dazzy90

    Dec 05, 2012, 7:47 #29132

    Losing 2 - 1 with 10 minutes to go, what does our great tactical genius 'manager' do...........?? Substitutes a left back for ANOTHER left back!! F_cking marvellous. Great work Wenger. As for Gervinho - really, how the hell does he carve out a professional career in football??! He has no first touch, no ability to tackle, and no eye for goal. Clueless like the clown who decided to spend £10m on him.

  127. Ali

    Dec 05, 2012, 7:44 #29131

    In the next round, Barcelona here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  128. Theo Jensen

    Dec 05, 2012, 7:39 #29130

    This team definitely needed a game to gel ahead of the Bradford game, but the lack of defensive run-tracking and closing down, as evidenced in the two goals conceded, shows the continual problems with defensive coaching. Does anyone really question that Bould has been cast aside? At the start of the season we played a nice conservative, neat and balanced style- with a compact shape. But as the credit went to Steve Bould we reverted to the old open, unstable approach- as Stewart Robson reported a fall out between the two... I don't see the short corner flicks, arms raised for offside or any of the trademark Graham defensive facets anymore.

  129. Danielgooner

    Dec 05, 2012, 7:26 #29129

    100% agree with you Kev, our passing was awful no control by key players. Defence went missing at times and were at fault for both goals. Last 16 as usual in the CL but soon to be put out of our misery, unless major reinforcements are brought in. AW needs to wake up to reality. 16 years in the CL and what do we have to show for it?

  130. North London pride

    Dec 05, 2012, 7:19 #29127

    Nothing more exciting than watching the cocky Goons suffering. Gervinho,Chamakh, Squillaci,Almunia,Santos and Wenger.Please stay at Arsenal. I hope your manager still goes asleep watching us on TV. Midtable mediocrity,where you rightly fit in.

  131. Billthered

    Dec 05, 2012, 7:13 #29126

    Well if it is not groundhog day,lose a group game that was not a dead rubber we did that two seasons ago and met Barca who I'd like to bet we will meet in the last sixteen again.Dont you think it is a bit disrespectful to fans who travel to these places and pay good money then see the team decimated,to all you AKB's what do you feel about the fans in Greece.One bright spot though Meade played very well but I suppose fatty Santos will be back in place of him when Gibbs gets injured again.

  132. CanadaGooner

    Dec 04, 2012, 21:53 #29109

    here's news for everyone: go and skybet each week and bet against arsenal and you'll make a fortune! atleast that can serve as some consolation at the end of the season. i just finished watching the olympiacos match and anyone who still thinks wenger should stay need a brain-transplant. ok, it was a dead-rubber (and we're not winning the champions league anyway) but the performance by Ramsay and some of our defense was simply terrible. this team cant go any further and will probably struggle against bradford city in the league cup too.