The Capital One Cup

Would winning it suddenly make everything alright?



The Capital One Cup

It’s 19 years since the last one


The Capital One Cup - or whatever it's called these days – is great for Arsène to blood young guns with potential. With tickets easy to come it gives fans the chance to see the team who otherwise might not. But, as we have seen over the years it has never been and never will be Arsène's priority (we all know his holy grail) and, to be fair, when we were one of the top teams in the Premiership and winning titles, doing doubles, and breaking records, it wasn't ours (the fans’) either. But that was a long time ago.

One point that has been debated recently, because of where we are in the competition now, is whether we should really go for it. Should the manager put out his strongest team just to get the current players off the mark on the trophy front? Maybe instil a winning mentality and fill one of those spaces round the stadium that have remained empty for far too long now? That seems to be the consensus among fans. But I think we all know that won't happen. You'd think he'd like to make up for the final-against-Birmingham fiasco, but, like I said, it's not his priority. But let’s say he does. He puts out the strongest team possible and we go all the way and win it barring another Birmingham comedy of errors.

Would that suddenly make everything alright? Would it make up for everything? The last seven years of failure? The embarrassments on the pitch in that time? The selling of our best players every season for profit and replacing them on top contracts with dross that are never going to be good enough? Treating the defence which has always been the backbone of the team like it doesn't matter, and not addressing the goalkeeping situation since Lehmann, and, many would argue, Seaman? Would Arsène's first words in the post-match interview be “I told you I could win something on the cheap. It took seven or eight years, but I told you so”. Would it suddenly make everything alright?


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  1. Moscow Gooner

    Dec 12, 2012, 20:21 #29610

    The debate is pretty much moot now given last night s result but.... like others here I ll take the FA Cup over 4th place now and in the future: apart from the pure economics there s little point in playing in the UCL each year if we go out at the 8th final stage (or even the semis). Football is about winning: nothing else.

  2. Just to clarify

    Dec 12, 2012, 10:49 #29551

    allbear - since you keep asking, David Dein flew to Milan to sign Dennis Bergkamp. It had very little/nothing to do with Rioch.

  3. Gooner1972

    Dec 11, 2012, 23:41 #29453

    Quite simply Arsene we no longer trust.. Time for a change, a bit like when Les Dawson took over from Terry Wogan on Blankety Blank!!!! Jokes aside two words David Moyes, time to ditch OGL, sorry but enough is enough......

  4. Highbury Boy

    Dec 11, 2012, 23:16 #29452

    I always thought you were getting ahead of yourself in thinking an Arsenal team under Wenger would ever again win anything and so it proved. Another humiliating experience. What will it take for him to go?

  5. Ken Dodd

    Dec 11, 2012, 23:14 #29451

    By jove,by jove what a beautiful day to storm into Wenger's office and blast:''Invincibles?....not a patch on Georgie's 'unshakeables'...two points deducted,captain jailed and one reverse at Chelsea with almost an entire first choice defence missing...oh Georgie Graham's magic,he wears a magic hat and when he saw the title he said I'm 'avin that...!''

  6. Tony

    Dec 11, 2012, 22:43 #29450

    A pre-emptive strike heh? When are you Wengerites going to realise we will never win another trophy under Wenger.

  7. allybear

    Dec 11, 2012, 22:41 #29449

    in my last article i asked the question of who signed Dennis Bergkamp? Bruce Rioch signed him in 95 from Inter. I will concede that AW signed some very good players in Viera,Petit et all and i would like to apologise if i upset anyone. Im frustrated at the lack of success&very disappointed at the loss to Bradford on pens.

  8. Bob

    Dec 11, 2012, 22:38 #29448

    Whether we won tonight or not, Wenger had to go. The fact that we put out the strongest available team and lost to a league two club merely emphasised the extent of our decline.

  9. Daniel

    Dec 11, 2012, 18:37 #29447

    @ALL.This may hurt but I have never met anyone who I consider a true fan who wants Wenger out.My neighbour follows Arsenal(Note follows not supports)he hates Wenger and calls me an AKB which doesn't bother me.He has two sons one doesn't like football the other supports Man Utd.I asked his son why he didn't support Arsenal he said because his dad is always slagging them off.Both my boys are Arsenal supporters.Another neighbour down the road supports Spurs his two daughters are also spurs supporters.He thinks my neighbour is a plastic too,even though he claims to love Arsenal and has been a fan for 40 years.What I'm trying to say is that there are supporters and followers most Arsenal fans these days are followers,no matter how many games they attend.

  10. LJB

    Dec 11, 2012, 16:37 #29446

    David Priced,would you rate a manager who took a team to the Emirates that cost less than the oppositions admittedly rubbish left winger,and won 2 .0.completely outplaying their illustrious hosts with the sort of football their overpaid,overrated manager has been trying to play for years? And he has only been there since july!! Just asking.

  11. Adam Ant

    Dec 11, 2012, 15:59 #29445

    I don't see winning a trophy now as any kind of vindication for what has happened previously. As a club we need to focus on the 'here and now' and a little less on the 'yesterday' and 'tomorrow' mentality. Arsenal SHOULD be in a position to do things NOW (whether we are or not is purely down to Wenger)

  12. Tony Evans

    Dec 11, 2012, 15:26 #29444

    6OONER PETE - 88 was horrible wasn't it and Gus Ceasar was dreadful, but I reckon he would slot in nicely now under Wenger - probably on a long contract at £60K a week. Super, super quality!

  13. Tony Evans

    Dec 11, 2012, 15:16 #29443

    Northbank123 - Well said. It is this seemingly never ending cycle of achieving a top four place but nothing else that is driving most of us round the twist. I would gladly swap a top four finish for the FA cup, which I would never have even contemplated a few years back such is my desire to see us win the CL, but such is the pitiful level of the squad these days what chance have we of winning the CL? Yet again all we are waiting for is the usual humiliation in the last 16.

  14. Mike

    Dec 11, 2012, 15:11 #29442

    If Wenger was managing another club the same way he is ours, the would be plenty of people wanting him to come here

  15. allybear

    Dec 11, 2012, 14:21 #29441

    Firstly to people slagging me off i think im entitled to my opinion&if i support a team i dont have to like the manager or certain players.I dont like being called a clown&people who support a manager no matter what are the real clowns. Once again AW was the manager when the team was embarrased 8-2 at OT! Please clarify for me if AW bought Bergkamp or was it Bruce Rioch?

  16. GoonerRon

    Dec 11, 2012, 14:14 #29440

    Sounds a bit like a pre-emptive strike to me, to justify the continued Wenger-bashing in the event we do win it. If the only thing it does is stop every journalist, pundit, sportswriter putting '7 years without a trophy' when they type the word 'Arsenal' it will be utterly worth it. It's clearly not our priority but winning a trophy in February can only help us kick on in other competitions.

  17. Rocky RIP

    Dec 11, 2012, 13:41 #29439

    @Marwoodonthewing - well said my friend. Anyone saying they never rated Wenger is either a) comfortably the worst judge of a manager ever or b) a fan of another club spreading negativity on a site that is supposed to be for Arsenal fans. If b) please, with the best will in the world - poke off and discuss your own club's lack of success, which is liable to be far, far greater. 1961 anyone? Fair enough, Wenger is worthy of plenty of cticism in recent seasons and we owe it to ourselves as fans to always question if people running our club are doing a good job; but equally credit where credit is due. If our own fans want to re-write history and claim Wenger was NEVER much cop, then we're in trouble! We fans like these, who needs enemies?

  18. El Bodgeo

    Dec 11, 2012, 13:17 #29438

    You can stuff 4th place. And 3rd and 2nd while you're about it. You can also stuff 'the brand', whatever the hell that is. Wonky Kronky, Slippery Gaz and Professor Idiot can all get stuffed as well. Like all true Gooners, I'm only interested in competing for winning trophies. I dont care what corporate logo is printed on the side of the cup just as long as I see my beloved red & white ribbons tied to the handles. Come on!

  19. northbank123

    Dec 11, 2012, 13:13 #29437

    Nilesh - It's not an opportunity to beat him up. Everybody here has said they'd like to win it and obviously rather would than not. But, as the title of the article hints, it doesn't really make a difference in many people's perceptions of Wenger. A cup is a cup but I'm not going to shift my view on him if we win it by virtue of playing Coventry, Reading, Bradford, Middlesbrough and Norwich, or whoever really. There's no need for a pre-emptive strike when Wenger has treated this competition with contempt for a decade and a half and values it well well below finishing 19 points behind the top two positions like last year which was apparently a huge success. It won't change my mind on Wenger whatsoever because, although it would be nice to actually win something, it won't change the fact that he'll sacrifice the FA Cup in the 4th/5th round as always, we'll get humiliated in Europe in one of the next two rounds and yet if we finish 30 points off the top but still scrape 4th he'll tell us how successful a season it was and the cycle will begin again. Nobody's praying we win it so that we can use it to slam Wenger with. Just saying that it in no way changes our complete lack of ambition and his gaping failings.

  20. Nick

    Dec 11, 2012, 13:06 #29436

    Richard , so if we beat Bradford tonight (notice i say "if"), that will be 15 times under Wenger weve qualified for the semi final stage will it? weve also "qualified " for the cl knockout stages for 13 odd straight years , but , how many times have we "won" either cup ? BLOODY NONE thats how many, and that my friend is NOT success.

  21. Red Member

    Dec 11, 2012, 13:03 #29435

    there is not a chance of winning anything with the current team, it is not good enough. the club is also not set up to win anything anymore, it is set up to generate profits.

  22. marwoodonthewing

    Dec 11, 2012, 12:48 #29434

    I remember being in the clock end in 98 and saw us draw in the cup with Port Vale (think it was the third round). We went on of course to win the double but I will never forget some clown behind me saying very loudly 'i told you we should have stuck with Rioch this Wenger is rubbish' . @allybear - you may have been a supporter since 1970 but which team exactly? Up the Arsenal.

  23. BW

    Dec 11, 2012, 12:33 #29433

    The only time I ever got to visit the old Wembley was at the game against Wednesday in 1993. The one where Adams dropped Morrow and who broke his shoulder. Ah, happy days. Winning the League Cup would undoubtedly take the pressure off Wenger, and give Gooners something to celebrate, but with the team and backroom as it is a result like that would just paper over the cracks.

  24. Nilesh Bhagat

    Dec 11, 2012, 11:59 #29432

    northbank123: the pre-emptive strike part is making sure that even if we do win this trophy the '8 years without a trophy' mantra becomes '8 years and only The Capital One Cup'. This article is just a pretext for yet another attack on this site on Wenger. As I stated previously winning this trophy quite obviously does not solve everything. Wenger has it all to prove again in my eyes but why use the possibility that we may win something as another oppotunity to beat him up?

  25. David Priced out of modern football

    Dec 11, 2012, 11:52 #29431

    Ally bear - Just out of interest: would you rate a manager who took a team away to the San Siro, which was assembled at a cost less than that of the opposition's goalkeeper, and annialated them 5-1? Please answer.

  26. GoonerV

    Dec 11, 2012, 11:45 #29430

    You make am article to create am argument no one has made. No one has said winning the Fa cup or league cup would excuse the last 7 years. So the rant at the end has no basis and as such the article is sort of redundant. If we won the carling cup then great and the fa cup too...nothing more nothing less Why does everything require such over analysis/debating/scorn/ridicule/praise. Tired article from a tired site

  27. Graham Simons

    Dec 11, 2012, 11:40 #29429

    Wenger inherited just three of the invincibles - what is scary is all three are infinitely better and I might add instrumental in the unbeaten season than the garbage playing for us today. Without Keown I honestly don't think we would have gone unbeaten - his anger in the battle of old trafford help galavanise the squad. Raymond Parlour is just the sort of player you want around your dressing room - bleeds red and white and is so much better than the rubbish on our periphery these days. Last but not least, the man, the myth, the legend Dennis - we all know how good he was.

  28. MrC

    Dec 11, 2012, 11:18 #29428

    In answer to the question to win a cup in Feb, would maybe be what the squad needs for a bit of self belief and drive them on for the rest of the season. Look what happend when we lost the final the whole season imploded in about a fortnight.

  29. Rocky RIP

    Dec 11, 2012, 11:06 #29427

    @Ally Bear - 'never rated him.' I'm not sure what a manager would have to do for you to rate him then. Provide achievements which you would deign to approve of please. Perhaps align it with a medium range transfer budget whilst you're there and see how you get on. Good luck. 2 Doubles and an unbeaten season playing some truly incredible football are clearly not good enough. The Invincibles were hardly inherited either (Parlour, Dennis, Cole homegrown..who else?). Assembled relatively cheaply. Wenger may have lost his way and you may not like the guy, but give him some credit. 'Never rated him'. Utter clown. That's beneath contempt. Longevity of support counts for f all if you've always been unable to appreciate talent. You've just been unable to appreciate talent for longer.

  30. Peter Wain

    Dec 11, 2012, 10:58 #29426

    do get your hopes up we will lose. Squad rubbish manager rubbish Gazidis a conman and the owner a charlatan.

  31. northbank123

    Dec 11, 2012, 10:56 #29425

    Nilesh - Everybody would like to win a trophy, nobody's denying that. But why would people need a 'pre-emptive strike' in case we win the thing? Wenger has explicitly stated it's his 5th priority, just about the Emirates Cup, and he's never taken it seriously in his entire reign. So if he suddenly goes out to actually win the thing does it really justify his years of abject failure and slipping further away from the top? Or is it a show of desperation that we're at our lowest point under him in 16 years and in fact don't have the best squad ever or a chance in hell of winning the league, despite what he says. Bear in mind where Liverpool are and that they sacked Dalglish despite winning the thing last year and that tells you what it means in the grand scheme.

  32. Paul

    Dec 11, 2012, 10:36 #29424

    @Mandy Dodd within 2 seasons Lauren Cole Campbell Edu Pires and Bergkamp had left the club.Yes he built the Invincibles but look how quickly he destroyed them

  33. Paul

    Dec 11, 2012, 10:18 #29423

    No way.The Spuds won the league cup in 2008 their fans hardly talk about it.Its a Mickey Mouse cup.And you all know a league cup win would mean 5 more years of Wengerdross.When GG won the league cup in 1987 it was at the end of his first season not after 7 barren years.Are we Tottenham in disguise?

  34. Brigham

    Dec 11, 2012, 10:12 #29422

    Richard, it is all very well you commenting on the fact that we have qualified for the ECL for the past 15 seasons. But what is the point in all honesty? We will never win it with the current attitude within the club of "its not the winning, its the taking part which counts" We have lost our winning mentality, our winning mental strength and we lack a bit of physicality. (Blimey, Wenger has got me at it now!) IMHO, Arsenal qualifying for ECL each year is a bit like an octogenarian with a fit young girl on his arm out and about in town. Everyone knows its for show and there will be no end result. But to get back on track, it would be great to win a trophy and maybe put that winning mentality back into the club.

  35. graham yates

    Dec 11, 2012, 10:07 #29421

    Wenger statistically is the best and the worst manager Arsenal have ever had.

  36. Inspector Clueless

    Dec 11, 2012, 10:04 #29420

    wenger will never win anything ever again at Arsenal - happy to take all bets

  37. Daniel

    Dec 11, 2012, 9:52 #29419

    Bard@Fergie and Mourinho win things but at a cost. Their football is both dull and too pragmatic to watch and they both court the media to get an advantage.Mourinho's Chelsea were awful to watch bar Robben and Man Utd play the sort of crap that if Arsenal won playing that style we would be slaughtered.ie 75% of their goals come from set plays and defending deep against any one half decent. I don't care what those two jokers have won,I wouldn't want any of them near Arsenal.

  38. Mandy Dodd

    Dec 11, 2012, 9:12 #29417

    How many of the invincibles did wenger inherit ally bear?

  39. Nilesh Bhagat

    Dec 11, 2012, 9:00 #29416

    Good pre-emptive strike to justify why you will keep on moaning even if the club does manage to bring home a trophy. What a daft article, of course winning the Capital One Cup won't 'make everything allright' but it would be something to enjoy (though it seems that a section of Arsenal fans are incapable of enjoying anything) and perhaps could even be a springboard to further success. Do you even want us to win this trophy? It seems to me that you are the one that loves saying 'I told you so' not Wenger.

  40. Ali

    Dec 11, 2012, 7:02 #29415

    Wining the cup wouldn't rectify everything but it would certainly be a morale booster, something to build upon and would make this season a much better one than the previous seven trophy-less seasons.

  41. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Dec 11, 2012, 3:19 #29414

    Check out Romford Pele's Rebekah Brooks haircut!

  42. Gare Kekeke

    Dec 11, 2012, 1:04 #29413

    Probably not. But give me a day out at Wembley with a proud performance (preferably winning of course!) over the usual annual European Cup knockout disappointment (the next one due early next year) any day of the week. It might not please Tom Fox but the heck does he know about OUR club? Who knows, a League Cup triumph could instil a winning mentality that has been severely lacking in our squad for a few years. I doubt it but let’s give it a go. Just ask Chelsea when they won it in 2005 or Man Utd when they won the FA Cup in 1990 (oh Wrighty you were so close!). The 1987 final win against Liverpool was my first great memory as a Gooner and made up for losing an FA Cup tie at home to Watford a few weeks earlier; my first game at Highbury on my 7th birthday weekend. For a club the size of The Arsenal and our wonderful history, finishing in the top four would only have a lot of merit if we attempted to win the European Cup the following season. I still think we’ll still finish 4th this season due to our experience and the inconsistency of the likes of Everton & Tottenham. Beware of Liverpool though. They are finally coming good under Rodgers. Btw, I’m only in my early 30s but a considerable amount of Gooners of a certain vintage who sit in my block think a change of manager is due. Good luck to the boys at Bradford tonight. Wish I could be there, but work comes first. Up The Arsenal!

  43. allybear

    Dec 10, 2012, 23:07 #29410

    Daniel i have been a fan since 1970&i desperately want Wenger out,i cant stand him and never rated him. He was very lucky to inherit the team when he joined. Also i dont think that he was ever a visionary manager,just very fortunate. So dont accuse me of not knowing the history of the club. Wenger was the manager who presided over the humiliation at OT and continues to buy second rate players and is now ready to offer the hasbeen Henry another run!

  44. LJB

    Dec 10, 2012, 21:48 #29409

    Goonerjon,the "top 4" is a relatively recent invention,being a byproduct of the change from European Cup to Champions League.Therefore finishing 4th was neither here nor there;cups were regarded as far more important.Funny how the much derided George Graham team of 93 to 94 managed to win the two domestic cups in 93 and the Cup winners Cup in 94,despite all the spposed "dross" on show.We may have finished 12th in the league in 93,but noone really cared,4th didn't get you a CL place in those days,so winning cups was the best route into Europe.The introduction of the CL,which in some Leagues allows a team almost a quarter of the way down the table to enter a competition supposedly for "champions",has changed the dynamics of football with the riches on offer making domestic cups sadly irrelevant for many clubs.I think that the FA cup winners should get a CL place at the expense of the fourth place trophy;it would give clubs that don't stand a hope in hell of getting in the top 4 a chance of CL football and all the riches on offer.Its boring the same old teams in it every year,and is a form of financial doping which curiously Wenger doesn't object to.Daniel,all the people i know who want Wenger out have been fans for a very long time,going back at least to the 70's and some even earlier.

  45. 600NER PETE

    Dec 10, 2012, 21:34 #29408

    Tony Evans..... You beat me to it......NO! But let's face it, we're not likely to win it anyway, whether we play a "strong?" team or not.Also there are not many young players that have been blooded in this competition that have gone on to be worth putting in the first team anyway. PS I enjoyed the Wembley trip in '87 ( not so much in 88!). Just wish I could get as excited about the current team.

  46. anthony walters

    Dec 10, 2012, 21:17 #29407

    another moaning minnie . i,d take the capitol cup and 4th. i remember far worse times and most clubs would love to be in our shoes though i agree we pay the highest ticket prices only to see our best players sold.

  47. northbank123

    Dec 10, 2012, 21:10 #29406

    Why do people smugly presume that only recent fans want Wenger out? It's completely untrue. In fact, you could make a case that those who blindly support Wenger ignoring his demise are disproportionately the ones who have only come around under Wenger and fail to realise that we were the 3rd most successful club in England before he came along.

  48. Bard

    Dec 10, 2012, 20:54 #29405

    It would ease the pressure but not sort out the longer terms problems. The question we've been debating is can Wenger change ? I think we all know the answer to that one. What separates him from Fergie and Mourinho is that they cut their cloth and our beloved boss lives and dies by his principles, misguided though they are. What's needed now is pragmatism and he doesnt do that. Oh yes and he doesnt do tactics or buy decent players anymore. QED

  49. Daniel

    Dec 10, 2012, 20:11 #29404

    Those who want Wenger out wouldn't be satisfied if we won the lot.The funny thing is most of them have only been fans since he arrived and don't know the history of AFC.

  50. Old Timer

    Dec 10, 2012, 19:57 #29403

    No, it wouldn't make everything all right or make the last 7 years a success but I'd love us to win it because the youngsters have produced so many memorable (for the right reasons) performances in the competition during that period. And all at budget ticket prices which bring in kids and younger fans who maybe don't have the opportunity or means to go to the regular matches. Great to see our future fans enjoying themselves and supporting the team. I think for once the club have got the pricing policy absolutely right.

  51. Wombledin

    Dec 10, 2012, 19:23 #29402

    Have we become Tottenham? Any trophy is a good trophy to win but not when we are now incapable of seriously challenging for the 'real' trophies. Winning it would just be a sop and be used by the current regime to justify a new fat contract for Wenger and continuing putting corporate interests ahead of what the fans really want, ie, seriously challenging again for top honours.

  52. Jason

    Dec 10, 2012, 18:47 #29401

    I agree that winning the "League Cup" wouldn't be our greatest ever achievment, and certianly wouldn't make everything all right, but maybe we should think about our younger and future fans. I have two young boys who have followed their Dads team, and are not old enough to remember seeing us win anything. To them winning something would mean everything. We are going through a lean time i agree, but most of us older fans have seen times alot worse. Seeing the joy on my kids face of winning the League Cup would mean far more to me than anything i've enjoyed seeing Arsenal win!!!!

  53. Redfox stop, start, move.......

    Dec 10, 2012, 18:37 #29400

    we need to win a cup, this time round. Will give us all a boost. . . . . However as for the last seven year, it's been woeful and no it will not make up for that gash period in arsenal history. GASH!

  54. loyal since 1980

    Dec 10, 2012, 17:47 #29399

    As a supporter, winning the league cup would not make a difference,it would be nice, but wouldn't go round shouting about it like spuds supporters. However, it would, i hope, give this squad a feeling of winning and that could lead to bigger things, for me, I want to be competing every year for the league. I remember the early GG years, the won the league cup in 87, runners up in 88, league champs in 89, again in 91, cup(both) in 93, CWC in 94, losers of CWC in 95, it bred a winning mentality. Then it followed on with AW early years with GG's players, Adams and Co had that winning mentality stemmimg from 1987, they went on to win cups from 97 onwards until 2004. That 2004 side had influence of a winning mentality stemmin right back to 1987, so yes, it is important for this team to win the league cup, it could be the start of something

  55. ALAN AYLESBURY GOONER

    Dec 10, 2012, 17:32 #29398

    Any trophy would be nice this has to be our best chance of one this season and as we don't play until next Monday I really don't see why Wenger cannot field a strong side and have the game won by half time then in the 'magical' 70th minute make substitutions.

  56. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Dec 10, 2012, 17:08 #29397

    If Wenger left at the end of the season anyway, then yes it would.

  57. Moaney Evans

    Dec 10, 2012, 16:41 #29396

    No, nothing will ever be good enough.

  58. chris dee

    Dec 10, 2012, 16:26 #29395

    Whoa,slow down me old mucker. First things first, let's win the frigging thing and then we can start debating what Arsene's says.

  59. allybear

    Dec 10, 2012, 16:15 #29394

    Good article Maguiresbridge Gooner but for me winning this cup wouldnt change my opinion of the manager. Stubborn&arrogant he is tactically clueless&he has made some very poor signings through the years. I really think that the club would flourish under a new manager. There are some very good managers available around europe who im sure would love the chance to manage Arsenal. Unfortunately i wont get my wish and AW will be in charge for many more years.

  60. Tony Evans

    Dec 10, 2012, 16:04 #29393

    No!

  61. Rocky RIP

    Dec 10, 2012, 15:50 #29391

    No, it won't make everything alright but it would feel fantastic to win a Wembley final again. Those of us who remember how good 1987 felt (and how it was the platform for bigger and better things) will back me up. Belief is a massive factor in football. When we do finally win a trophy and shut all those tedious '7, 8, 9, 10, 11 (?!) year trophy drought, blah, blah' comments up it could see an explosion of euphoria and relief. It it just us who get this treatment from the likes of James Olley? No mention of a 52 year title drought at WHL James? Just us then. It gets most mention from our fans on here. It'll be followed by complaints of 'not enough' before we've had time to enjoy it. Still, massively up for what is our best chance of a trophy right now.

  62. As

    Dec 10, 2012, 15:49 #29390

    What was all that about?? Seriously, do you want arsenal to win trophies or do you want them to not, so that you can continue saying they don't win trophies! That was a joke of a post, negative, spiteful and totally rubbish!! what a waste of time.

  63. richard

    Dec 10, 2012, 15:43 #29389

    MMMM another unsatisfied customer. No team has the right to win things remember that. Well you say wenger has filled the team with dross be more precise what players are in your OPINION not up to the job. I point to Arteta Wilshere Cazorla Podolski sagna Vermalean Mertsacker and Koscelny Gibbs all good players then you have Rosicky Ramsey Eisfeld oxlaide chamberlain coquelin yennaris walcott giroud.when we beat Bradford we will have qualified for the semi final stage for the 15th time a record.this stage 10 seasons in succesion not bad going for a competition Wenger uses to blood kids.Winning the cup would give the players who played confidence and more importantly the squad. let us take at money wenger has to spend 150 million in sponsorship over 5 years that works at 30 million a season mmm once you sort pre existing contracts out not much left in the kitty if anything from that so once again wenger will have to sell to buy some in. Yet we have continually finished in the top four under his tenure and had continuous champions league football. we currently sit 2 points of the champions league places and are in a good position a win tonight followed by reading on monday and confidence and self belief start to run throught the team.

  64. Simon F

    Dec 10, 2012, 15:08 #29388

    No it would'nt change anything but it would be a start just like it was in the 80's with George Graham. and to be honest it would not do the fans any harm to have something to celebrate!!!! Sadly being realistic, we are miles off winning the league and Champions league so its either the FA or League Cup....

  65. jason b

    Dec 10, 2012, 15:07 #29387

    It would be something to build on,yes.We win a trophy.Fantastic..If we then lose four of the following five and it costs us CL football,then what?Can't have that,we would say.No.We would be back to square one again.Ironically we might get the change that so many of us wish to see.

  66. gee

    Dec 10, 2012, 15:06 #29386

    By that rationale, would fluking a champions league win make it alright?

  67. Ron

    Dec 10, 2012, 14:40 #29385

    Winnig the CC involves sending out the Clubs supposed strongest line up(whatever that means)for about 5 games. The question the Club should answer (for me anyway) is why cant they seemingly do that as well as perform to their optimum in the PL and CL? If they cant do it, then (in my view) the players need changing or the Coach needs replacing. Lets face it, the CC is the least valued trophy and contains a lot of teams who field weaker teams.In Arsenals context though, it at least has the potential to add something to the Clubs mundane outlook and stale approach. Winning such a Cup wdt crure the Clubs fundamanetal issues, but at least it might create some cheer around the place,brighten up Wenger s years old tiresome, doleful and sombre mood and you never know, even a few of the players might just enjoy a break from chasing the 4th place/balance sheet 'trophy'.

  68. Mark Rice

    Dec 10, 2012, 14:29 #29384

    At the end of the day Wenger should put out the strongest side starting with our first team keeper not some hapless kid ... But sadly I very much doubt if he will and that's why we need a new manager hmmm

  69. Goonerjon

    Dec 10, 2012, 14:24 #29383

    You reckon the last seven have been bad...a relatively short term Gooner I suspect. I remember when getting into the top four was an achievement and we had players worse than Jenkinson, Walcott and Squillaci and they got in the first team every week. Support a club, learn its history.