Well the directors will be happy

Online Ed: Seesaw FA Cup tie at Swansea ends all square



Well the directors will be happy


At some point, Arsene Wenger is going to have to admit defeat on the issue of zonal marking. Man to man gives clear responsibility to each player regarding who they are marking at a set piece. However, Arsenal have conceded too many goals from corners in recent months, and have got away with several more. All because of zonal marking. Having got themselves into the lead against Swansea, they handed their opponents an equaliser through rank bad defending. It is the reason trophies are so hard to come by, because defence is key to winning matches. Bradford scored their League Cup goal from a corner.

It was the clichéd game of two halves from the Gunners. Very poor before the interval, with Aaron Ramsey fluffing a great chance and a couple of moments of excitement when Theo Walcott came in from the wing, but Swansea enjoyed the best chances. The second half saw significant improvement, although the home side took the lead when Koscielny failed to deal with a long ball and Michu made mincemeat of Per Mertesacker. It was interesting to see the German return to the side at the expense of Thomas Vermaelen. The manager can claim rotation, but the suspicion is the captain was dropped.

Arsenal rallied after going behind and continued the domination they had enjoyed at the start of the first half. When Podolski came on for Ramsey, they finally broke through with two goals of high quality. However, the idea of not being able to hold onto a lead is not a strange one these days. By the end, either team could have won the game and spared themselves a replay.

Arsenal’s advantage is obviously the decider being at home, although Swansea will have little to fear after their recent performance in the league fixture, one in which they enjoyed far more possession than Wenger’s team. It uses up another cup credit, which will please the board, although one suspects an actual attendance of about 40,000, especially if the game is picked out for television. It might though sell out if the club decide it is a grade C fixture, especially as Swansea are likely to take up a decent portion of the 15,000 non-season ticket seats. However, many, many season ticket holders won’t bother attending.

They pay for seven home European and FA Cup ties. There are a guaranteed five this season now. If all seven are not used up, then there is a discount on the 2013/14 season ticket renewals due to a refund for games paid for but not played. With money king at Arsenal these days, in spite of the manager’s laughable socialist line in the build up to this tie, the directors want as many home games as they can get. There have been calls for ‘lite’ season tickets which do not include the cup games. It would be a good way of deciding who gets cup final tickets (remember those?) if those who opted not to take home cup games were siphoned out. However, the club would lose guaranteed income, so that isn’t going to happen.

The line-up for this match was probably the first time since the late 1990s that Arsene Wenger has played a first choice starting eleven for an FA Cup 3rd round tie. I suspect Podolski was on the bench for fitness reasons as he has been carrying an ankle knock all season. Hence his regular early removal. That demonstrates that even though he has stated the domestic cups are low priority, the manager realises the importance of winning a trophy. Failure to land one this season will make is eight campaigns without one. Arsenal have had far longer gaps than that without silverware before, but not charging the astronomical prices to watch the team that fans endure now. What is especially galling is that £60 million of transfer funds sit unused in the bank. Maybe it would have been better to have £35 million in the bank and Robin van Persie this season? He doesn’t seem to have lost his scoring touch. It’s not as if the club is doing everything in their power to compete, because the manager wants to do it his way – without spending money.

So retaining Theo Walcott is his priority this month. Maybe he should think about doing something to improve the defence, such as buying a dominant holding midfielder and changing something in training. Because Arsenal are conceding too many soft goals, which makes silverware very difficult to win. The monkey on the manager’s back isn’t going away anytime soon until that particular issue is addressed.

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  1. Arzil

    Apr 01, 2016, 11:06 #87233

    all those who are claiming that if wenger will step down arsenal will do a man utd. despite of having knowledge that last season leicester city manager was not cladio and this season they are on top of table.so why in the 9 planets these guys can't say that will pull off leicester.

  2. King Jeremy

    Mar 29, 2016, 14:39 #87124

    The most I can see us getting is 75 points. It's possible the Totts will choke and we can surpass them for 2nd, but I just cannot see Leicester getting less than 76/77. Still, we showed great speereet this season eh? Bring out that new 3 year contract. Arsenal PLC - No ambition, no shame.

  3. CT Gooner

    Mar 29, 2016, 13:38 #87120

    Excellent post Nick, thanks for taking care of that. I would say to those criticizing Wellbeck, what do you want of him?? He cost 16mil and is good out left, where we don't have many options (sorry, I don't count Gibbs) and can do a job up top if necessary. Since coming back from injury he has secured quite a few points for us. So before we get too carried away, 16mil does not buy a top shelf striker, so can we please rate him based on investment. I also like the fact Wenger didn't buy him as he offers something different, recall, if it had been left to Wenger he'd have eaten with the pope while leaving our plates empty. The more this "debate" goes on, the more my hatred of him grows and the less I revere his past glories.

  4. Ron

    Mar 29, 2016, 13:15 #87115

    Hi Simon. Not sure if you went to Goodison but its probably been a decade since Everton were that bad too. Any half decent team would have taken them to the cleaners. AFC though are good to go, on the cusp, get all our legends fit. Give the Coach 5 more yrs and glory awaits. I think he ll storm Europe too! Cant wait for my 'Emirates experience' to unveil.

  5. Nick

    Mar 29, 2016, 10:59 #87104

    Arenal4life, go on social media, talk to other supporters down the pub or at work, go on other Arsenal blogs, you will see that those who have had enough of the perennial collapses of Arsenal under Wenger are not a minority of " worthless" people with their own agendas but deeply concerned ARSENAL folk, whose only crime is wanting the best for our club! Go back over any of the last ten seasons and you will see the self same scenario unfolding , yes the last two seasons were given a shiny gloss by FA Cup wins , but the league form has never really differed, apart from Sanchez and Ozil the transfer policy has not changed either , and both of those were offset by outgoings etc, we have still not properly invested in playing staff, despite the money in the bank! Problems which have become endemic are not resolved, all this is down to one man , a man who no longer has what it takes to do his job in the way it should be done a man who is happy with the status quo and does not seek with any real conviction to change it ! Make as many excuses for Wenger as you like the facts do not lie, he himself loves statistics those which analyze his last ten seasons do not make happy reading,but no, you carry on with your head firmly stuck up your idols backside while abusing those of us who HAVE seen through the facade of Wengers delusion !

  6. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Mar 29, 2016, 10:21 #87098

    Simon you disappoint. No "show us you want it", "whites of their eyes", or "make it yours"? Standards are obviously slipping. Why not put in to the BBC to get a gig commentating on next years Boat Race, after Sunday it seems they have any old Tom Dick and Harry doing it.

  7. Red Member

    Mar 29, 2016, 9:46 #87096

    the club have made it clear publicly that they place no value on winning the league and have no ambition to do so. To underline this they are likely to offer our manager a 3 year contract extension. My question therefore is - why are we even considering something that will NOT happen!!!

  8. Roy

    Mar 29, 2016, 6:48 #87094

    If we didn't deserve to be 11 points behind, I could kind of see where you're coming from Simon. But since there's no doubt that we do, your call to arms has a somewhat hollow ring to it. We all know we should have won it this season and Wenger has been exposed as past it. Even if your miracle comes to pass, he should still go.

  9. Snowbiggee

    Mar 29, 2016, 4:27 #87093

    When Arsenal capitulated in 2008 it was clear that Wenger did not have it in him to win another title. Several teams and many players later, it is still clear. Modern coaches study and plan every aspect of every game now. The strategy of buying technically gifted players, giving them little instruction and hoping their quality wins out, is no longer going to work. Arsenal need a modern coach.

  10. dan

    Mar 29, 2016, 0:34 #87092

    looool laughable stuff, this is a wenger team we are talking about, they have no bollocks, compared to the teams you mentioned above, forget it, there's absolutely no chance of winning the league now..

  11. mbg

    Mar 29, 2016, 0:17 #87091

    SKG, great post, wengers chief tooth paste spreader Rose tinted didn't mention that, that it takes real players to do and achieve that, players with guts, ambition and balls, not has beens and second raters who have never won a premiership (and that doesn't include lucky wins against mediocre opposition in a comp that the AKB's and TOF himself treated with contempt) and never will under this old fraud of a manager with lovely teeth. wenger out.

  12. Guy in Jersey

    Mar 28, 2016, 23:32 #87090

    I did the predictor thing. Was rather optimistic about our last few games, a bit miserly towards Leicester, and probably a touch generous to Spurs. However, the Spuds won comfortably, extending the gap between us, and we still came third - albeit with a better goal difference than Leicester. 4. The Hammers 5. City 6. L'pool 7. ManUre. Still, my biggest woory is that some Arsenal fans still belive thatWelbeck's going to fire us to the title. To be fair to Arsne (for a chang), I don't think he wanted to sign jim. I certainly didn't want us to either - even if it was at £1.5 million). He never has been, and never will be, prolific 'cos he's just not good enough. People moan about Giroud, but for all his faults our French poser is a proven international striker, who has always scored goals. Welbeck is an England striker in the great tradition of legends like Darius Vassell, Peter Crouch and Jermain Defoe - willing, but never top quality. And Dannyboy's strike rate in club football is sh*t, which says it all.

  13. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 28, 2016, 23:09 #87089

    Hiccup - that'll do me (and Mr Rose I guess). Championes, champignones, champignons, oh sh*te too many mushrooms for me tonight. Does the predictor also work out the probable route of the open-topped bus?

  14. Hiccup

    Mar 28, 2016, 21:19 #87088

    I've been on this predictor thingamajig all night. Great fun! Beats a PS4! You'll all be glad to know that I've got Arsenal to win the league now. I have been rather optimistic though. I am anticipating Leicester being deducted 2 points for fielding an ineligible player against Swansea. A further 2 point deduction for their participation in a 20 man brawl against West Ham. I then needed another 3 points to find from somewhere, so I've gone for a 3 point deduction for failure to control their fans at Old Trafford - along with a £70k fine for good measure! We are now the holders of the predictor title. That'll do for me.

  15. mbg

    Mar 28, 2016, 20:50 #87087

    jw, spot on, and Ozil isn't the only one either, you have to laugh at these fingers pointing and looking to the heavens at every start and when they take to the field kissing and blessing themselves (ridiculous), and then the look to the heavens when they miss a sitter, with the tongue sticking out (i'm sure that goes down well in heaven)as if it was some kind of divine intervention or somebody else's fault (there's a new excuse for the wengerites) pathetic, if their really that religious and reliant on their god to play football and score a goal they should know they'll not get much help from him if they're out shagging all over the place and drinking clubs dry, among other things, yet still they do it. I'd imagine the fingers in the air and praise are for thanks for the fact they've managed to con and fleece another £90,000 - £150,000 this week from an old fraud of a manager and mugs like the AKB wengerites and others.

  16. Hiccup

    Mar 28, 2016, 20:07 #87086

    AKB, far from glass half empty. I am simply just using Simon's guidelines for my computations. 1Wenger is stubborn; 2 serially failed to sustain a title challenge; 3 over caution in the transfer market (is that what it's called now!) 4 lack of tactics, etc, etc. Christ, and all this is coming from an AKB? Just where are all the positives for us to hang on to? Oh yes, pacemakers in athletics usually drift away. So Leicester are just a pacemaker for Arsenal as they go for a record breaking points tally? Someone needs to tell them to pull up before they lap us! You couldn't make it up!

  17. mbg

    Mar 28, 2016, 20:07 #87085

    Big Andy, or expect TOF to spout the spin we were the only ones to put up a good show against them, and try and stop them, and no doubt his followers and AKB's will believe him and take comfort in it. You couldn't make it up.

  18. Arsenal4life

    Mar 28, 2016, 20:03 #87084

    The number of posters on this site who have a negative agenda totals about 50. What percentage of the fan base are you? Basically a worthless group, who satisfy each other's agenda and behave like their word or words are the popular opinion. When the likes of Piers Morgan is of a similar opinion then that says it all.

  19. Red Member

    Mar 28, 2016, 19:55 #87083

    Simon don't you realise that most people have given up on this fraud of a manager. Arsene Plc in 2016 is a fan base divided, ticket prices do not equate to the success that we should be having, the owner extracts £3 million a year but does not say what for. Basically the club is rotten from top to bottom. Can we win the league ? ha ha ha ha Ps April fools day is on Friday

  20. mbg

    Mar 28, 2016, 19:53 #87082

    Leicester will be parading the prem trophy and poor old wengerite Simon Rose will still be blogging away obliviously, we can still win it. It's not right laughing.

  21. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 28, 2016, 19:44 #87081

    Hiccup - you must be feeling a little glass-too-empty tonight mate. Have a snifter full of absinthe and the fact that we're perennial underachievers won't even matter for a few delirious hours. Hey, maybe if we all lie to ourselves and use the predictor to make Arsenal champions, the league will take notice and actually award it to us? Worth a try eh Simon?

  22. anthony walters

    Mar 28, 2016, 19:30 #87079

    jw fair enough your opinions however vardy hasn't been any more prolific of late than welbeck mahrez has.nobody was queuing up to buy him on last seasons goals either .was it 5 for vardy ?i.m not sure.is he a one season wonder ?that remains to be seen .i don't know.harry kane on the other hand spurs will do well to hang on to him even when he wasn't scoring early season i was convinced he would come good and his link up play is superb.welbeck will play left for england if fit i am convinced of that and if we had a great centre forward for us there as well.ozil may be a great player but is the most physical coward i have seen in english football.ducks out of even free headers for a start.turns his back in too many challenges.

  23. Hiccup

    Mar 28, 2016, 19:17 #87078

    Not over impressed with this 'season predictor tool'. I have us finishing 7th and Aston Villa staying up? Something ain't calculating right? I would advise everyone to use the predictor tool that the Untold site uses. This has the facility to go back and change Arsenal results where we have been robbed by refereeing decisions, bad pitches and BT Sport causing fan revolts. Needless to say, we had the league sewn up in February, but more importantly we currently sit top of the Calendar Year League.

  24. jeff wright

    Mar 28, 2016, 19:02 #87077

    AW, the we should have kept Welbeck moans have died down now with the emergence of new talent at United regarding strikers. Sir Ferguson said that he only saw Danny as being useful out wide at times with his pace and tracking back game to help out in defence - all a bit one dimensional really.I can't see where he would have made any big difference to United's results this season. Even if, as is not always the case ,that he was fit to play. Wenger himself was known to have doubts about signing Welbeck and there was no queue behind him by other managers to try and do so. Danny is a decent squad player,but not the player that we needed and I can't see him being first name on Woy's team sheet either at the Europa fun-fest. Welbecks strengths and weaknesses were once again exposed in Berlin .He is never going to get any better. Ozil needs to give the prays to Allah at the start of games a swerve,they are not helping him .A bit less time out on the lash in night clubs might do though. You couldn't make it up.

  25. anrhony walters

    Mar 28, 2016, 18:49 #87076

    jw i see it probably the same for us to win it we have to go on an unbelievable run and spuds and foxes both collapse possible but unlikely as i said in the article.welbeck is a decent goalscorer but does so much for a team holding the ball up and link up play .ferdinand and scholes have been highly critical of letting him go and many manu fans were hugely disappointed he went.his stats are somewhat misleading like walcott and bentdners stats if you just go on appearances to goals not great but that doesnt take into account how often playing on the wing,started as sub or been sub .what has cost us in goalscoring terms has been walcott and sanchez in particular not weighing in with enough goals.

  26. jeff wright

    Mar 28, 2016, 18:43 #87075

    Hiccup ,AW was obviously watching Danny Boy playing while wearing a pair of those wonder light red and white tinted specs,bought for £14,99p in Stan's store .These glasses turn the likes of Danny Boy into world class players when you watch them play when wearing them.This only happens though when the players are Arsenal ones -everyone else looks just ordinary .

  27. jjetplane

    Mar 28, 2016, 18:27 #87074

    HICcuP haha! indeed Danny was in the kitchen for that one and he has already got that Olly smile when duh ... ****ed that one up good and proper. Contrast with Vardy who was way too quick for the Germans and then Harry who Wenger could have signed and stuck him up front with Suarez and Fabregas pulling strings ..... Ozil has taken to doing a Henry on Le Prof saying 'buy someone I can play beside ....' Tears will fall come May from everywhere as all those flash cars drive away for the last time - to be replaced by more cars, tattoos, headphones and of course the smiles ....

  28. jjetplane

    Mar 28, 2016, 18:16 #87073

    Blair207 - fantastic point and they maybe Arsenal in name but can they qualify themselves as fighters? Their level is a fight against Hull in a Cup Final where they only just rescued themselves from the brink and we all know why they beat Villa ...... Then along came Watford and Swat! Totts and Foxes are so much more organised and both those clubs are really enjoying their football. The win against Germany will gee both clubs up even more. It will do little for Wenger's 'Philosophy' or for that silly Untold banner about Arsene and Art - not even close for a decade and counting.

  29. BigDavetheGooner

    Mar 28, 2016, 17:56 #87072

    It's all very well living the fantasy dream,but we have no form going into the closing stages of the season. We have no players who are outstanding,the team is disjointed and we are as per normal injury prone and more importantly there are players who cannot be relied upon to dig deep and fight for the cause. And perhaps the the most damning of all we have not got a leader on the pitch that will root out the bottlers and give them the kick up the backside they need. So for me,afraid not,stick to your pipe dream it's just not going to happen.E

  30. Hiccup

    Mar 28, 2016, 17:53 #87071

    This is just another 'round about' way of telling us to wait until May. Roll on May then. Yes Jeff, what game were you watching the other night? Did you not see the way Welbeck was set up with a square ball to shoot on the edge of area? I loved the way he put the kettle on and drank his cuppa as he waited for the tackle to come in.

  31. Big Andy

    Mar 28, 2016, 17:45 #87070

    We've got no chance of winning the title. But if Leicester win it Wenger will probably claim that we are the real champions because we did the double over the Foxes.

  32. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 28, 2016, 17:43 #87069

    SKG - Nice one. That saying from your nan is dead true and has multiple applications, but it seems especially apt in response to Mr Rose's unfounded optimism. Someone should put a book together of the older generation's words of wisdom - my granny could also be counted on to say something pithy and occasionally scatological if I was caught picking my nose or farting as a boy. Back to football, although we beat Everton you have to factor in that they were extremely poor that day.

  33. Bard

    Mar 28, 2016, 17:42 #87068

    The problem with Simons thesis is the analysis of the Weng's history. His best years were when we were battling it out with Utd as the 2 top clubs ( and mostly coming second). Since Chelsea and City joined the game we have slipped further down the pecking order. This year with both those teams and Utd having poor seasons we still cant get it done as Raneri and the Pooch have moved ahead. My point is since the heady days of Utd/Arsenal Wenger hasnt shown he can mix it with the better teams over a whole season. The idea that he is suddenly going to get it done now is one hell of a long shot.

  34. Blair207

    Mar 28, 2016, 17:27 #87067

    A lot has Ben made of the fact that Leicester and Spurs are in unchatered territory for them and will they handle the pressure. This Arsenal team have never won title either and have proved on numerous occasions that they can't handle real pressure. I don't think Man City have any chance as they are underperforming even more than us. One good performance against an Everton team without Barry to give their midfield a it cohesion does not continue a run. To put any real pressure we have to win the next four games and hope other results go our way. But remember as soon as we start to catch up the pressure will be on us as well and we will struggle as much as the others to handle it.

  35. Seven Kings Gooner

    Mar 28, 2016, 17:26 #87066

    Simon : It seems to me you are wishing we could win this game and wishing the Spuds and Leicester will lose that game. Problem is the games you use as examples of Arsenal come backs are from Arsenal teams with harden pros in the line ups, winners or tough youngsters determined to succeed. Even if we did close in on the top two (huge if)and needed a couple of wins to steal the title, the pressure would get to us and the Spuds would probably nick it from us! My nan had a great saying for life in general "wish in one hand and sh*t in the other and see which hand fills up the quickest" I think we both know the answer to that riddle don't we Simon.

  36. jeff wright

    Mar 28, 2016, 17:13 #87065

    It suits a lot of agendas to claim that Arsene departing will mean that we end up in mid-table. Someone who can't wait to say.told you so, must lead a very dull life,plod plod plod ... a fear of change is what keeps the Arsene show running and running... now come on liven up a bit Ross... AFC was successful before Wenger arrived and the 4th place trophy era was invented. So we we don't qualify for the Euro cash cow money yawn , it's not as though we ever have any hope of winning the European Cup with Arsene... he has had 20 years to do that in and failed miserably to do so.So then time for a change chum. If you are happy with Arsene the specialist in failure then bully for you. That doesn't mean everyone is though - or that if he goes that things might not improve.

  37. mbg

    Mar 28, 2016, 17:05 #87064

    Captain Frank, good post, the AKB's will cling to anything, if their messiah was drowning they'd still hang on to him and drown with him. Your right regardless what happens this season it will still be time for a new manager. What rose tinted and the rest of the AKB's fail to comprehend or mention is if our Lord (not wenger)were to rise again this Easter and perform another miracle and strike our opponents down with a wilting disease it would still not guarantee we'd win it, all it would mean is TOF and his bottlers would find another way to cock it up, and you can guarantee that. wenger out now.

  38. Ross

    Mar 28, 2016, 16:27 #87063

    Why give up? Because it suits a lot of agendas. Especially bloggers and such like. Despite being a Wenger fan I look forward to the day I can say told you so. That day won't be long after Wenger leaves and we languish mid table once again.

  39. jeff wright

    Mar 28, 2016, 16:14 #87062

    AW ,the question was can Arsenal win the league>? I gave my views on that . Getting behind the team at games is of course something that one would expect supporters to do but that was not the question that was asked. Regarding Welbeck it was just the usual racing around that United supporters were used to all rather old fashioned typical big English style center forward stuff. Welbeck could still out there now running around here and there putting in effort and not scored. My point that Vardy and Kane are more likely to score more goals for their sides in the remaining games than Danny Boy will do for us and goals win points. As you point out our defensive organization is also suspect and The Foxes and spuds lose less games and concede fewer goals than we do. Too many things have to go right for Wenger's ways to triumph consistently and it is that lack of consistency that is the big difference between us and the currently top two sides. I still see us realistically due to these factors being involved in a 3 way dog-fight with City and WHU for 3rd and 4th places - with us having to play both of them away .The results of those tete a tetes could determine who wins the 3rd automatic Euro place and who ends up with the wooden spoon 4th place qualifier tie - or the dreaded 5th auto Ropey Cup spot. Good old Arsene.

  40. Hussein Kurdi

    Mar 28, 2016, 15:25 #87061

    From Arsenal fans in Somaliland, East Africa. what i asked my self is 'why we are playing each Game with two midfield instead of two strikers'

  41. CT Gooner

    Mar 28, 2016, 15:09 #87060

    Oh we'll support the team, as we do every week. Suggesting we don't is another AKB misconception. We just don't support the manager, a very different thing all together. I find it humourous that the focus now is "we can get it back", rather than "how the hell are we third, we were top at Christmas?". Again, all talk so we can pretend this season was anything other than another Ground Hog Day! Here's a question, if we had beat Palace to Cabaye, would we be where we are right now, I don't think so. Wenger's done, sooner you come to this conclusion Simon, sooner the club can get back to winning championships.

  42. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 28, 2016, 14:49 #87059

    In essence, we should all (yes, akbs AND amgs) stop speculating on winning the title this year. It was never going to happen anyway given weng's chronic ineptitude over the past ten years, and it'll never happen again 'til he, the be-toupeed king of St Louis and Ivan the liar are in charge. A far safer bet is to wager on us finishing trophy-less but third or fourth because that what almost always happens. Not bad for the fifth richest club in the world I suppose. Who knows? the possible pleasure of the title going to Leicester and not the spuds might feel as good as winning a trophy?

  43. John F

    Mar 28, 2016, 14:24 #87058

    It is too big a gap Simon.I do not count Chelsea away as a tough game they will not try too hard if it means beating Leicester will hand the title to North London so I take that game as a certain three points for Leicester.The only problem Ranieri has is keeping his players level headed.Radio 5 are doing yet another special on Leicester as if they have already won it and if I was a Leicester fan I would be worried that the hype will get to the players and allow the Spuds in.Ranieri is doing his best to keep a lid on it by talking about his aim is champions league qualification. His easy going nature reminds me of the way Jack Charlton handled the Ireland team and I believe that this will be enough to see them through.

  44. mbg

    Mar 28, 2016, 14:24 #87057

    jj, the old wind bag certainly does not, it would be the worst thing to ever happen to this club if we/he were to win it/one.

  45. mbg

    Mar 28, 2016, 14:13 #87056

    Maybe if wally and the carthorse and other little nice boys look into the whites of they're opponents (they're not their rivals) eyes and tell them to wilt because it's ours and we're making it ours, it'll actually scare them into wilting ? I doubt it, but you never know. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  46. mbg

    Mar 28, 2016, 14:01 #87055

    My God here we go again, telling us something we already know, (ArseneKnewBest beat me to it) but only with a different manager who knows what he's doing, not an old over the hill one like your messiah who hasn't it in him, and with proper players and not second raters and carthorses not up to the job either, that have been forced upon us by TOF. But you and the rest of the wengerites keep on dreaming Simon, keep holding on to your little comfy blanket of everything going wrong for everybody else, that's the stage we're at now (yet again)and coming good for your messiah (just like the last eleven years) it just ain't gonna happen and your love for your lord and master just won't let you see it. You couldn't make it up. wenger out.

  47. anthony walters

    Mar 28, 2016, 13:48 #87054

    agree mark this squad doesn't need much 2 or 3 players .better balance in team selection,game management by players.total and utter focus .another example is andy murray's success under ivan lendl a coach totally focused on tactics and how to beat opponents and how to win not interested in murrays histrionics or looking for excuses.

  48. Mark from Aylesbury

    Mar 28, 2016, 13:36 #87053

    Simon - I've given up on the manager not the team. I reckon a new manager could work wonders. England rugby team under Eddie Jones springs to mind particularly as they were under achievers

  49. jjetplane

    Mar 28, 2016, 13:28 #87052

    Probably the best excuse of the lot is to keep saying Arsene FC have thrown an easy title away as opposed to saying Leicester are by far the best club in the PL this season and Tottenham are the second best. If the Hammers had been more consistent then they too would tightly be in front of Arsene FC. No coincidence that Totters and Foxes players are lighting up the England set up with the great English spine of Arsene fueled gnomes nowhere to be seen though apparently they were to lead Arsenal and England to glories Tony Adams could only dream of. Mr Rose seems a bright enough spark but he has that old AKB equals positivism religion coursing through his veins and that has been proved season upon season to be a depressing and backward looking state that just goes around in a circular fashion. Speaking of circulars it would seem that Simon and the Reverend are certainly reading the same gospel where it s the fault of those negative fans who are holding the team's progress. Does anyone really think Wenger merits another title?

  50. anthony walters

    Mar 28, 2016, 12:13 #87051

    unlikely that it is for leicester and spurs to both flop yes we are supposed to be supporters and get behind the team.dunno what match you watched jeff but welbeck played bloody well for england on the left and nearly all reports on him were very positive.we haven't scored enough goals around the team that's not just one striker .giroud, who has been below par but very unlucky recently too, got a class goal for france so that is positive too.the idea one world class striker scoring shed loads wins a league the is a myth up there with the loch ness monster.chelsea hardly scored many goals the second half of last season and won the league.we haven't defended well enough as much as anything through individual mistakes,poor positioning and lack of desire from bfg in particular.wenger lined the teams up etc so has to take responsibility and should lose his job for failure if we do fail to win the title.whether he will under this hierachy is very debatable.

  51. jeff wright

    Mar 28, 2016, 11:50 #87050

    Correction on goals scored ,Foxes 54,spuds 56 ,us 48,City 52 ,WHU 50 .So City and WHU have both scored more goals than us .Admittedly it's tight but we have to play both those pair away and us beating them is no shoo-in.Good old Arsene.

  52. Torbay gooner

    Mar 28, 2016, 11:42 #87049

    Well Simon, of course mathematically it is still possible. However, you would have to be as deluded as the manager, if you honestly believe we will win the title with this group of players. I would though be happy to be proved wrong, notwithstanding the unfortunate downside that Wenger would be given a further contract as a result.

  53. jeff wright

    Mar 28, 2016, 11:38 #87048

    For us to succeed others must fail. Possible but not likely. Germany v England - Kane ,Vardy, Alli. Welbeck, Ozil... all on parade can anyone spot the two flops out of those 5 >? Let's face it the Foxes and spuds are most likely to score more goals than our players in the remaining games left. Foxes shave scored so far 79 goals -spuds 86 . Us 67 .Foxes 11 points more spuds 6 more .G/D is worth another point Foxes 23 .spuds 32.Us 18. Talk of us miraculously winning all of our 8 games while the two sides who are clearly better than us,if as is claimed the table doesn't lie, based on hocus - pocus analogies with past unlikely victories by others against all odds is just more of the old let's all get behind the team.This being AKB speak for, let's all back Arsene and judge him in May. When May comes and we finish 4th, or third at best and that is what it what the most likely outcome will be, 3rd or 4th - then the goal posts will be moved again and it will be claimed that Arsene deserves another 3 seasons! You couldn't make it up.

  54. Bard

    Mar 28, 2016, 11:38 #87047

    Simon; theoretically your article is true. Leicester and the Spuds could down tools and lose the rest of their fixtures. However if you are making a prediction you have to take into account past history. Arsenal are serial bottlers or at least this squad are. so yes its possible they will have a chance but even if they did they are unlikely to have enough strength to take it. The second issue is that they dont have a top striker so there is no one to create momentum in a tight game. they need to create a ton of chances to take even one. So no wont be putting any money on them winning the league.

  55. James Gunner

    Mar 28, 2016, 11:30 #87046

    Some former players have said sacking Wenger will make Arsenal be like MU. I feel it's a gamble worth taking. Assuming the fm carries on next season,isthere any guarantee he will change his philosophy ie endless passing and possession soccer as well as other issues? If the answer is in the negative then it will be a forgone conclusion ie the gunners will choke in feb to march.Then it will be a lot of time wasted. Arsenal have wasted ten years. Wenger has choked at the finishing line more than 5 times. At any big club it is criminal and the manager has to pay the price.

  56. Nick

    Mar 28, 2016, 11:11 #87045

    Stranger things happen at sea, the fat lady may not be actually singing but she's clearing her throat, not impossible but highly unlikely, wed know more now had we had the traditional Easter period of games instead of some boring international friendlies. Of course id love us to defy the odds and win the title and in doing so put the odious neighbours back in their place, below us ! However the realist in me tells me it just won't happen,all this papers over the REASONS for our being in this position in the first place, which of course is why Mr Rose wrote this piece, to deflect criticism from his idol, we are where we are due to Wenger inaction in two transfer windows and his inability to motivate the team when the pressure is on or against so called lesser teams which is where we lost at least THIRTEEN points this term, those points would see us as champions elect around now ! No matter the outcome this season it should not be forgotten or forgiven that Wenger wilfully failed to strengthen the squad,or that he was unable to motivate those players he had when it mattered and that this is NOT the first time this has happened in fact grasping defeat from the jaws of victory has become a Wenger speciality! Whatever happens he should walk at seasons end !

  57. Captain Frank

    Mar 28, 2016, 10:54 #87044

    I had a go Simon and we finished second to Leicester by 4pts pipping Spurs by one point. I felt I was insanely positive with the Arsenal results - 7 wins and 1 draw - but was realistic with the rest. I'd be astonished if we win the league and whilst I'd be delighted if we did, I wouldn't look forward to people like yourself saying "I told you so" which you do regularly anyway. We would still need a new manager in my view as well.

  58. Arseneknewbest

    Mar 28, 2016, 10:40 #87043

    Simon - With a different manager and a squad with some players known for showing some fight, there'd be more of a chance, but c'mon, we all know what happens to this club when faced with the chance to win the title. If we had, say, Leicester's squad, and GG or even Ranieri in charge and were 11 points behind Wenger and his accolytes such as Wally and Giroud, then there'd be an even bigger chance. My point is that we just haven't got the right personnel. No manager; and no TAs, Rockys, PVs, McLintocks etc. means we aren't going to cut it and never will 'til things change.

  59. W

    Mar 28, 2016, 10:10 #87042

    Good article Simon, I have to say i agree with you

  60. AugustusCaesar

    Jan 08, 2013, 16:01 #30551

    "I suspect Podolski was on the bench for fitness reasons as he has been carrying an ankle knock all season" I repeat: You say this with unequivocal confidence but this is the first I've heard of it. What makes you say this? Reveal your sources. It's not the first time that what I can only describe as unmitigated propaganda has seeped in to the editorial.

  61. Mark

    Jan 08, 2013, 15:38 #30548

    Laudrup is another manager who is better than Wenger along with Moyes, Martinez, AVB. we were 2nd best for 65 mins of that match. Brighton will do us if we scrape through against a tired swansea in the replay. We will finish 10 points behind Everton this season

  62. GoonerRon

    Jan 08, 2013, 9:46 #30522

    This bashing of zonal marking does my nut in. The way you go on, you make it sound like no other team on the planet has ever conceded a goal from man marking. We marked man to man last year and every man and his dog whined about our defensive strategy from set pieces. So did our control freak, out-dated and stubborn manager leave it as it was? No, he completely changed the way we defend set pieces. Has it worked faultlessly? Of course not, but you can't have it both ways. Also, whose to say that the board haven't told Wenger that he has to play his strongest team in the FA Cup? Well it wouldn't fit anyone's agenda on here would it?

  63. Tony Evans

    Jan 08, 2013, 8:17 #30520

    Maguiresbridge Gooner - I really believe that the only way Arsenal may show any ambition and balls now is if the club fails to achieve top four and Wenger is fired, although even that may not be enough. Supporters like us that have seen through Wenger are caught between a rock and a hard place - I don't want my club to lose matches but at the same time I want Wenger out and the more games we lose the more likely it is that he will be forced out. Wenger has been allowed to bleed our club almost dry of talent, tactics, backbone and organisational skills and in my book virtually anything is acceptable now to rid the club of this leech.

  64. Gare Kekeke

    Jan 07, 2013, 23:52 #30517

    Shocking defending for both Swansea goals. No surprise there then eh? I don’t think I will bother with going to the replay myself. Bloody waste of a cup-tie credit. @tpm; the club know about what happened at Wigan and will soon have that moron banned.

  65. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 07, 2013, 23:11 #30515

    Ron,your spot on we're an average team now and no longer a challenger at the top table (and haven't been for a while)unfortunately we're going to have to accept it as things aren't likely to change for the foreseeable future.Thanks arsene.

  66. Van de Ed

    Jan 07, 2013, 22:12 #30509

    This club desperately needs a BREATH of fresh air in the managerial/coaching positions. I wouldn't trust Le Boss to spend the so-called 60M sitting in the bank to buy the right players capable of fitting in a winning system of play. So much is wrong at the club ranging from deadwood in the squad, playing unmotivated players out of position, to using a rigid system/tactics that's been found by most clubs. Even near-perfect Barca changed gaffers to perform much better this season. Right now, I wouldn't dare wage a quid with a spuddy or chav as to who'll be in champs lge next season! And as usual Le Boss will tell us in July, "this season was a transitional one for Giroud, Cazorla, Ramsey etc etc..

  67. allybear

    Jan 07, 2013, 21:29 #30504

    Adam Ant you are spot on&i agree totally with you. It has been like this for quite a while and has never been addressed. In recent years the manager has bought mostly second rate players&will continue to do so. Wish he would leave.

  68. SilverGooner

    Jan 07, 2013, 21:22 #30503

    Red Member - I have done the same as you. I too could have gone to the replay and afforded the £40 ticket but as soon as I thought of Kronke, Gazidis and Wenger I thought better of it! Yes, I'm a fan of 40 years but there is so much wrong with the club from the top to bottom that I refuse to give them a single penny of my hard earned cash until things start to change. I am not a 'fair weather' supporter, but I simply refuse to be ripped off and taken advantage of just because I support the club.

  69. GoonerSince66

    Jan 07, 2013, 20:42 #30499

    Gobsmacked that we blew the lead with minutes to go, Double Gobsmacked that the replay is a Cat B game as well. You have to look at the small print at the bottom of the ticketing page <‘A', ‘B' and ‘C' categories are only applicable to home Premier League fixtures.UEFA Champions League and FA Cup fixtures will be based on A and B pricing> I'm definitely not going and am totally fed up at getting mugged and ripped off by this money grabbing bunch of A**holes who are destroying the club that i have loved for so long. Glad that I gave up my ST this year, next year that can stick the membership completely.

  70. tpm

    Jan 07, 2013, 20:27 #30498

    wheres goonerscoylesboy hese days? giving at large at 17 year old banner boys no doubt!!

  71. CanadaGooner

    Jan 07, 2013, 20:06 #30496

    @Mark from Aylesbury; it won't be for lack of trying mate; we have tried to present 4th place finish to Spurs on countless occasion and they always manage to fluff their lines. Let's see if we can let them go 15points ahead of us this season (perhaps they won't mess it up this time - wont hold my breath though)

  72. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 07, 2013, 19:22 #30492

    Yes Tony Evans,but the Wolves hierarchy have got ambition and balls.

  73. billthered

    Jan 07, 2013, 19:18 #30491

    Does everybody feel like me when we go a goal in front we seem to poo ourselves and the inevitable happens.I hate to say this but Shawcross and Hoof it are far better than any of ours.Oh one more thing how much would it cost now to replace RVP.

  74. Mark from Aylesbury

    Jan 07, 2013, 19:12 #30490

    Canada Gooner, Unfortunately because the board will not put any pressure on Arsene publicly and I assume the same privately. The only way to remove him apart from mass public demos is for Arsenal to finish outside top 4 and for maximum embarrassment below Tottenham. Wenger has managed to control and curb the clubs ambition to top 4 finishes. Even more clever was that he knew he was more or less guaranteed top 4 finishes over the past 6-7 years as Tottenham and previously Man City were not strong enough. This allowed him to negotiate his contracts ever upward and reinvent the idea of success to our board and the AKB cult as a top 4 finish. How much money did Georgie Graham earn per year for the same job?£300k I think? Compared to 7million I cannot understand it. Wengers failing power base needs dismantling, each defeat and increased likelihood of not qualifying will move us nearer to the day of his removal.

  75. Ron

    Jan 07, 2013, 17:31 #30487

    Lets just be realistic and forget the age old, oft repeated debates that we ve all done to death. Fact - We re an average team and no longer a challenger at the top table. We re not really a 'big' Club anymore (whatever 'big' means nowadays). Yesteday was a good result given the players we have and the genuine quality that Swansea have too, lets not forget that. Im not saying such an approach and attitude is right for our Club but just im trying to be realistic given that not much will change in the short teram at Arsenal. You all read his stuff at the week end? 'i decide what players earn' etc etc ). The mans on a power trip and theres nobody there to stunt it.

  76. GoonerGoal!

    Jan 07, 2013, 16:31 #30482

    Is this really what we have been reduced to 9 years after the Invincibles? DOWN with the SOCIALIST DICTATOR! CRUSH the CABAL! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  77. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 07, 2013, 16:25 #30481

    Kev, no mention of Ramsey and the dive? Good grief, Ramsey how unbelievably ordinary are you....he couldn't even try to con the ref properly. What a superstar he is. Fluffed a sitter in the first half, got booked, then simulation which would of course been a 2nd yellow leaving us with 10 men at the score 0-0. Hopeless.

  78. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 07, 2013, 15:05 #30475

    The directors will be happy alright another big payday and more dough for the coffers that's more important to them than anything else,like you say, at arsenal money is king.As for the fans more of the same, a couple of goals, a great strike by gibbs all overshadowed by the same old deficiencies in the defence,unable to close a game out/hold on to a lead, (even with only a matter of minutes to go) Kev when does this man admit defeat on anything it's not in him to,anyway his ego wouldn't allow it.A replay is certainly better than going out and yes Swansea will have little to fear in that,just as every team we play nowadays don't.His priority this month is improving this team not retaining a player who is beginning to believe his own hype and who can't even take a free kick, but we all know what wengers like with his priorities.

  79. jammygooner

    Jan 07, 2013, 14:48 #30474

    This may be a dumb question, but would it make sense to have zonal marking in open play and man to man marking for set pieces. We seem so poor at corners and free kicks at both ends, I wonder how much effort goes in at training?

  80. Red Member

    Jan 07, 2013, 12:52 #30473

    I did think about going to the replay until I found out that it is at category B prices. Nobody should attend - the league game was at category C prices and I thought that Wenger said the FA Cup was less important than finishing 4th in the league? So how can the club justify charging more for a match in which they have already admitted is less important than the league game? I would like to go, can afford it but I will refuse to. I just hope others see sense too.

  81. Wenger Must Go

    Jan 07, 2013, 12:40 #30472

    I'd say that barring injury and suspension 2006 was the first time Wenger didn't play his first choice XI in the FAC 3rd round when Senderos, Djourou and Gilbert played against Cardiff at Highbury

  82. BW

    Jan 07, 2013, 12:08 #30471

    Anyone see the West Ham vs United game? I held my head in my hands as Van Persie's sublime goal went in. A draw at Swansea was then all but inevitable.

  83. Cambridge Gooner

    Jan 07, 2013, 12:03 #30470

    For the second goal, both Swansea players had time to take 2 touches ON THE EDGE OF OUR 6 YARD BOX! Need anymore be said about the lack of desire and total disorganisation our team displays WHEN 1 GOAL UP WITH 5 MINUTES REMAINING?!

  84. Peter Wain

    Jan 07, 2013, 11:59 #30469

    Considering the lack of real talent in the first team this was a good result for us. The defending is such a total shambles it is difficutl to know what a decent score is. Is a 4 nil lead protectable? Based on Sunday's evidence when we totally collapsed defensive when leading 2-1 I suspect not. We desparately need new top quality players but based on the last few transfer windows I am not sure that the people we have at the club can actually recognise one.

  85. Bard

    Jan 07, 2013, 10:22 #30468

    Yesterday was more of the same. The only difference between this side and most of the others in the last few years is this lot aren't as creative going forward but still crap defensively. Chez should have done better with both their goals and Sagna is a shadow of his former self. Arteta is not a DM but... This is Wengers way, playing players out of position; doing nothing about the defense or goalkeeping situation. Wally the new Thierry ? Please its embarassing.

  86. Adam Ant

    Jan 07, 2013, 9:56 #30467

    We can talk about transfers, wages, Walcott, whatever but we will achieve nothing if we defend like a pub team. We have been guilty of this for 6 years now and quite frankly it is unacceptable. We are too often vulnerable to basic dead ball routines and look like we are going to concede every time the ball is within 40 yards of our goal. Our midfield has no physical defensive presence, our centre backs are slow and cumbersome and our fullbacks are more interested in attacking. Sod getting any forwards in January, we need a keeper, 2 defenders and a defensive midfielder.

  87. Tony Evans

    Jan 07, 2013, 8:30 #30466

    I was listening to Talk Sport in the car yesterday morning and a Wolves fan was asked where their sacked manager had gone wrong. The answer, in his opinion, was playing players out of position and buying in players that were not good enough. Now, let me see, who does that remind me of? Chuck in zonal marking and there you have it and all in evidence yesterday.

  88. Paul

    Jan 07, 2013, 8:00 #30465

    The truth is we cant defend.The keeper is dodgy.The corner when they got the 2nd goal came from when Szczesny palmed out a shot straight at him.Both full backs are suspect defenders.Sagna's heart just isnt in it anymore after being offered a one year contract.All our CB's are average.Mertesacker shown up for lack of pace again.The defending for their 2nd goal was schoolboy not players on £60k a week.I dont know how much more of Wenger i can take.But to the board Wenger did a good job yesterday as he earned them another £3m in their coffers.League game v Swansea Cat C, FA cup game Cat B well done Ivan

  89. CanadaGooner

    Jan 07, 2013, 6:43 #30464

    For the first time in a long, long time I am actually truly worried that Spurs might actually beat us to 4th place this season. That would be unbearable (not because 4th is such a mega-prize, but because an average team like Spurs shouldn't be finishing ahead of us, if as Kev says, we have $60m just sitting in the bank) We all know nothing will change at Arsenal; Wenger will stay as long as he wants (our board is made up of a bunch of idiots) and we won't win any silverware for a while yet. I am beginning to slowly readjust to the pre-wenger era and those years when we won nothing and my expectations have been lowered accordingly. Very sad indeed. But that's our reality

  90. Pistolpete

    Jan 07, 2013, 5:50 #30463

    While wenger sits on his arse, other teams are buying to best players available early, he waits until the last day to try and save a few quid.I think that after the wage for players confession, wenger had finally, for me anyway, shown that he is finished at arsenal. I feel now that wenger has finally started to harm he excellent wining record in the first 7 years. He will not be remember for his great football but how he totally dominates the club, and how dictatorial his management has become. We will never win any sliverware with wenger in charge again.

  91. East London

    Jan 07, 2013, 5:49 #30462

    Why can't people open their eyes and realise Wenger needs to be sacked? And please stop turning up to games guys your only making Kroenke more greedier. Usmanov In.

  92. Joe S.

    Jan 07, 2013, 5:46 #30461

    johnnyh, and others of similar ilk, and we are many and with you on this totally apathetic mindset that has become emblematic of supporting Arsenaal in 2012-13. A result like this one still doesn't resolve the glass half empty/ half full arguement. Arsenal are still buzzing around, but where's the hope? certainly not on the playing field where I'd like to see four or five players shipper off. Nor is it coming from the manager, talking about the importance of fourth in order to attract quality players. Yet we know this means Cervinho, Squillai, Park Giroud and god knows what other mediocrites. It would be great to console ourseves that Arsenal have unearthed a couple of really quality kids and even with a trophey less season we've set ourselves up for better things to come but the stale rotten air created by the currant mismanagement only makes me dread that there's worse to come. And yet do I really want to see City and Chelsea give us a thrashing to at least put the delusion to rest. I'm not sure.

  93. Jego

    Jan 07, 2013, 3:36 #30460

    What's the chances of the board keeping Wenger if he finishes outside top 5 in the league by the end of the season (that's assuming he doesn't win FA Cup or Champions League)? Is it a good enough reason to sack mr Champagne Socialist ?

  94. AugustusCaesar

    Jan 06, 2013, 23:54 #30459

    "I suspect Podolski was on the bench for fitness reasons as he has been carrying an ankle knock all season" You say this with unequivocal confidence but this is the first I've heard of it. What makes you say this? Reveal your sources.

  95. N4

    Jan 06, 2013, 23:38 #30458

    This team is a bunch of fluffers including the manager and the board. It doesn't matter who comes in, if the players are not played in their fovourite position etc..! As for Walcott it oes to show that this club is not a football club anymore and that the crap players they have bought can't even be sold but going on loans ( so we contribute to their wages). Wenger has complete lost it and I felt quite jealous seeing Swansea playing like the old Arsenal and Arsenal were unrecognisable in their playing!! I used to get really frustrated watching lose but now it's the normal way these day. Hearing Wenger about what he decides on how much Walcott should be paid and talking about profits tells us a lot of what Wenger has become. How long more this endurance will last....??!!

  96. D.H. Cumbria.

    Jan 06, 2013, 23:38 #30457

    Two great goals to go in front,but you just knew we would concede again,it's happened so many times,to give Graham so much space at the back post is criminal,you don't get that much room in sunday league football.Why does Wenger allow this to happen? Mertesacker fills me with apprehension, slow,ponderous,he's got the turning circle of a liner.I Know he's got caps for Germany,but how?

  97. Can't be arsed to go to the replay

    Jan 06, 2013, 23:32 #30456

    au revoir Wenger- I reckon his lips would say one thing and his expression would say something totally different! There's only one coach at Arsenal working under 'restrictions' and it's not Wenger.

  98. Roy

    Jan 06, 2013, 22:30 #30455

    When the hell is someone going to step up and take some responsility at the back? Rewind to the start of the season and I remember thinking along with many others no doubt that with the loss of RVP we would have to stop being so profligate in defence. It kicked off, and if Chesney hadn't thrown one at the Southampton players feet in front of an open goal, it would have been four games without conceding . The penny's dropped I thought, so what on Earth happened after that ? Michu made mincemeat of Mertesacker you say, and yes he may not always win the challenge or may get mugged by a great turn or other piece of skill, but when we are attacked he is always in the right position which is more than can be said for certain others and has been one of our more consistent performers.There can't be many other teams whose full backs give the opposition so much time to size up a cross as ably demonstrated by Sagna who, if there was a league table for hitting the first defender with your cross, would be clear at the top, then if the ball stays in play can't get back. He looks to me to be doing just enough to get a move. The continual concession of soft goals eats away at the confidence of every player out there, they are much harder to pick yourself up from than a goal that you couldn't have done that much about. for f***s sake we have Bould as second in command and he knows better than anyone what it takes. Wenger picks Giroud today and then we don't put any quality in the box until the second half, ok he should have scored but if he'd had better service throughout he may have already scored and then notched that one as well. Like I say, confidence. I feel sorry for Giroud, ok he's not a world beater but he's bursting to do well, unfortunately without a run in the side with us playing to his strengths it's not going to happen. And what's all this about zonal marking? I know what it is, but to be perfectly honest I'm not sure when we're using it and when we're not ! - whatever, it's not working and that brings us back to the point of someone taking responsibility. If Wenger can't do it anymore then it's high time we got someone in who can because without plain and simple organisation and a clear understanding by everyone of exactly what their role is, it will still be a hell of a long time before we win anything. I can't believe that it is not apparent to someone of Wengers experience that if players leave and inferior replacements come in who also need time to bed in, that the gameplan has to change somewhat. And no, Arteta is not a defensive midfielder, Cazorla is class and I'm sure will get a second wind, and I don't think Jack is quite at full tilt yet but he is real quality and obviously wants to play for the shirt. Walcott, sign or go and spare us another "will he won't he" summer as I along with everyone else is thoroughly pissed of with seeing our team in constant transition. I suppose it all comes down to one thing whether it's on or off the pitch - LEADERSHIP. Any candidates out there ? Preferably someone who's proficient in outing deadwood. A weekend in Brighton for the right person.

  99. Stevesam

    Jan 06, 2013, 22:23 #30454

    Any defence requires an experienced top class keeper behind them who has composure and can make key decisions. A good communicator and organiser who can influence a team. Chesney was too slow off the line for the 1st goal and he does not organise at set plays. Martinez on the bench again. When are we going to sign a World class keeper ? We have not replaced Lehmann. Why was Rosiky on the bench ? More negligence from AW.

  100. tony

    Jan 06, 2013, 21:49 #30453

    Bradford city scored from a free kick mate not a corner.

  101. danfromLE

    Jan 06, 2013, 21:35 #30452

    Wenger is a clown, please God make him go away and let us have our club back, he is an arrogant blinkered overpaid narcissist who cannot build a team or a winning culture. Nothing will change til he is gone

  102. johnnyh

    Jan 06, 2013, 21:30 #30451

    i find it a very srange experience being a gooner these days. im happy when we are winning yet i am not unhappy when we are losing as defeats are the only way to get rid of this deluded,tactically clueless charlatan of a manager.

  103. Gerry

    Jan 06, 2013, 21:09 #30450

    Sick of watching this piss poor defending! Also why the hell did'nt shez just catch the original shot that led to the corner, he keeps palming everything back into the danger area. Who coaches these failures who are stealing a living from the club that I love.

  104. Wenger Must Go

    Jan 06, 2013, 20:51 #30449

    When a top three team takes the lead in a match with seven minutes to go it should win the match, simple as that. Even though Swansea probably would have equalised again, can anyone tell me why Walcott's goal on 88 minutes was disallowed?

  105. Alsace Lorraine De Totteridge

    Jan 06, 2013, 20:43 #30448

    Walcott will not stay. If he does so he will pass up the chance of millions in signing on fee and for what? Wenger has shown his basic disloyalty to the player by playing Gervinho in the strikers role ahead of him. The same mania that drove him to do that keeps him in the zonal marking "zone" despite evidence that it is not working. Ditto offering Bob Pires only a one year contract, and showing Flanimal his contempt. I could go on. No policy is too bonkers for Wenger to persist with if he thinks that he is right. His disrespect for staff and player colleagues trying to do a sensible job at a mad hatters tea party is persistent and ingrained. What beats me is that no one will come out and say so.

  106. Lee

    Jan 06, 2013, 20:43 #30447

    We are AVERAGE at best! how has this decline been allowed to happen so much over the last few years? Weve got more chance of winning a trophy than that tight fisted finance manager, spending any money! why buy cos that would kill walcott, coquelin, ramsey well arsene im home and away for 20+ years and if i have to see much more of these average players your gonna kill me! new manager and new players please! And I DO NOT need any sarastic pathetic "go and support someone else" comments from all the AKB's cos YOU dont pay all the money i pay into the club which is ALSO MINE! My bllod belongs to ARSENAL FC like it always has and NOT this manager who is draining the life, soul and passion out of it!

  107. Jude Jolicoeur

    Jan 06, 2013, 20:43 #30446

    Playing Ramsey in the Cazorla-type role would be understandable, albeit not effective. His repeated selection as a winger, however, beggars belief, especially with the alternatives available. With the exception of an inch-perfect cross for Giroud, he put in his usual pedestrian performance -- no pace, unable to take on players, poor tackling, and he commits too many fouls. Appealing for a penalty when you trip over your own feet is shameful. We have a player in our starting XI with no confidence to shoot when he's (somehow) gotten himself in a good position to score. Which other premier league club would hand the boy a 5 year contract?

  108. au revoir wenger

    Jan 06, 2013, 20:41 #30445

    i wish someone would stick a microphone under boulds nose and ask him about zonal marking,i wonder what he would say?

  109. We sold van persie

    Jan 06, 2013, 20:40 #30444

    Whisper it to yourself . Take a deep breath. Throw yourself on to a bed. Bury your face into the pillow like a teenage girl having a hissy fit. But it's true. Giroud is a waste of money like gerviniho before him . Throw in a little santos add a pinch of diaby wages. Take out a little socialist thinking. ... Oh **** we sold van persie.

  110. vp

    Jan 06, 2013, 20:37 #30443

    The division amongst the faithful is a direct consequence of the lack of transparency and accountability of the board. What’s more, they do nothing to better our understanding, leaving us to fight it out amongst ourselves. Let’s use the most high powered positions in any given organization as examples- CEO and Chairman. Firstly, the reluctance of our CEO to take full responsibility for our investment decisions, by shifting part responsibility on an employee at operational level (Arsene Wenger) is a an important example of how the board DELIBERATELY evades its duty of accountability. This, not only allows the actors at the top to act with impunity, but also allows for high powered individuals to pursue personal agenda at the expense of the organizations strategic aim. We are not a Cooperation, we’re a football club, binded by an unwritten constitution to serve the needs of all members and act in the public interest. It is not only the shareholders that the board are accountable to, and they need reminding of this. Secondly, It is the role of our chairman to ensure that both the board and the members (us fans) move together in the same direction. This can only be achieved by promoting greater transparency . The fact that he speaks to us like ungrateful children who know nothing about economics (when all we seek is reassurance) does nothing to build trust and strengthen our bonds. Despite having full knowledge of the civil unrest amongst the fans, the board continually shows reluctance to add clarity to matters, often maintaining its position of concealment (i.e. the uncertainties regarding the loan used by Kroenke to purchase the club). Usmanov has the right to have his voice heard and have some input in the club’s strategy.To deny any person of their corporate rights, irrespective to whether they have a criminal record, is totally unacceptable and only alludes to further suspicions of concealment. Furthermore, it would be extremely beneficial for us to have one of Usmanov’s representatives (Non Execs) on our board- the guys derived a fortune of 18 billion dollars. Moreover, this would create more independence at strategic level and allow for closer scrutiny of executive decisions. This in turn would help realign the strategic interests of the club with that of the fans. The diversity and the makeup of the board is another big problem. Any effective board should consist of directors from different backgrounds, age and skills/experience and should be reflective of the people it serves to ensure that everyone’s voice is heard. The effectiveness of the board, coupled with the lack of transparency and accountability are the fundamental reasons as to why the fans are getting pulled further and further apart. The Kroenke vs Usmanov debate centers around us having access to reliable and the relevant information. Greater transparency and accountability lie at the heart of this. The complex and unorthodox manor in which our club is governed mean that nobody really knows what’s best for the club. We can only make subjective intelligent guesses and opinions are inevitably going to differ. There is surely one thing that we should all agree on-The board need to start showing more corporate social responsibility to those who grant the license for the club to exist, us fans!

  111. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Jan 06, 2013, 20:30 #30442

    Paul. I think Giroud is better than Billy Bender, on sheer effort alone. Bender might be more technically gifted, but we know his attitude stinks. True, Giroud is clumsy and cumbersome at times, but anyone who can play a one - two chip return pass and weight it perfectly for Gibbs to run on and smash first time clearly has ability. The weird thing about that is that's not what you'd expect from the guy. whereas we'd be entitled to expect Giroud to hit the target from eight yards with a free header. That's not really what concerns me though. More pressing is that both Arteta and Cazorla look increasingly jaded and less effective, but i don't know whether AW has the faith to rest them and play Rosicky and Coquelin more from the start to give those two a break. Rosicky in particular should be much more involved, he brings a different level of verve to the play, and importantly he's one of those that can read ahead of the play. If he's fit enough there's no reason why he shouldn't be involved. Speaking of which, if Wilshere continues to flog himself in the middle of the park in the manner with which he has been doing, we could see him developing the kind of bodily stress / wear & tear injuries that plagued Cesc in his last two seasons. Doesn't help that he gets kicked repeatedly by a rotating cast each week, nor that plonkers like Webb allow it to continue. Finally, Sagna appears to have had the part of his mind erased that saw him develop into the league's best right back for the four seasons before this one. Indeed, one wonders whether he's already looking elsewhere, but fear not - AW will say "We have Jenkinson and Yennaris, and Koscielny and Coquelin can play there". AW might even infer that supporters wishing to see a suitable replacement brought in for Sagna would be partly responsible for the soft killing of Jenks and Nico. Who knows, really. This version of The Arsenal is as confusing and amusing (in a gallows humour kind of way) as TN's team of 1983....and that really was a massive shambles....

  112. g clarke

    Jan 06, 2013, 20:23 #30441

    Sure the bod were praying for draw 60 mil wow where is the players that other teams want to get shot of

  113. Can't be arsed to go to the replay

    Jan 06, 2013, 20:08 #30440

    Why would anyone expect much of a reaction to the Southampton game? Comrade Wenger has already told his players and the wider world that finishing 4th is more important than winning the world's most famous domestic cup competition. There's more pressure to win trophies on my village cricket team than there is on Wenger's Arsenal. Mourinho is depressingly 100% right.

  114. Paul

    Jan 06, 2013, 19:43 #30439

    For 70 mins we were piss poor.What has happened to Cazorla another poor game has he hit it the wall already.Once again there was no tempo in our play in the first half and as usual it was one pass too many.Walcott was back to his usual non existent self.With the exception of Newcastle he has been poor in three of the last 4 games.With the replay coming between the City and Chelsea games i can see a much weaker team than started today.And to me Swansea will start favourites.We need to sign a striker Giroud may be ok coming on as sub but starting games he is not good enough.Reminds me of Bendtner sadly

  115. Goonerpearty

    Jan 06, 2013, 19:32 #30438

    Just had a look to see if it was a Cat C game.But it aint,they really dont know when to stop ripping the fans off do they this lot.If memory serves me right the home game with Swansea this season was a Cat C game,so whats the difference. HATE THE BOD AND WENGER LOVE ARSENAL.

  116. jj

    Jan 06, 2013, 19:29 #30437

    Arteta is a good honest pro but in the last couple of months he has been found out as a defensive midfielder. I don't blame him as it is not his position but he offers no protection to the back four,only passes sideways and he turned his back on the scorer of the second goal. A proper DM would have charged the attacker and blocked the shot. Also if Ramsey is a left sided midfielder then all of us could give it a go there. And Rosicky, who is a player, sits on the bench. More Madness from our champagne socialist leader.