Metal Giroud

It’s… uncomplicated



Metal Giroud


As someone who was born exactly nine months after Christmas Eve, I’m the kind of person that likes to think that not all mistakes are necessarily wrong. However, the other week I accidently tweeted the name of our big number 12 as ‘David Giroud’ – and I haven’t a clue why the mistake occurred. The best explanation I can give for the error was that it was probably what they call a Freudian slip. Maybe after he posed for French Gay mag ‘Tetu’ last year, under my liberal exterior an inner homophobe hiding under the surface subconsciously wanted to give our number twelve a more butch name than Olivier just to reassert a mental image of the bloke’s heterosexuality. However, from his baby-rocking and ball-under-the-jersey celebrations on Saturday, it would indicate that the red-blooded Giroud has probably got a girl in the club. Therefore, if there was no seasonal Turkey baster used for unorthodox purposes, it would probably indicate panic over for my poor distressed and insecure subconscious.

On the pitch, though, there’s certainly something very ‘Dave’ about our big number twelve. Straightforward and uncomplicated, you certainly know where you are with a ‘Dave’. Giroud was brought in to replace Robin van Persie, who is arguably the most skilful forward currently plying his trade in the English Premiership. In recent years, our most successful strikers tend to have been in the Henry/Bergkamp/RvP mould – of which Giroud certainly isn’t. Those strikers are like steak, where Giroud in comparison is rather like a hamburger. That said, as Elvis Presley and Ronald McDonald would probably testify, burgers too can be fun in their own way.

Giroud certainly has his detractors. Some rather witty chap on the forum has referred to him by the incredibly inventive moniker of ‘Le Chapman’ (I can see what he’s done there!), after Herbert’s less successful distant cousin who flopped at Highbury like a jelly on a wet mattress back in the '80s (though, to be fair, he scored against us with almost every other club he turned out for afterwards). I applaud that poster’s efforts on the humour front, but I’m afraid I don’t agree with his general assessment of big ‘Dave’s’ chances of success at the Arsenal in the long run. That said, he’s far from a lone voice on the matter. Against Fulham this year, someone sitting behind me on the North Bank actually claimed that Giroud is so crap that he would rather we persist with Chamakh than give him a run-out. Similarly, on Saturday against Newcastle, with the side thrice struggling to maintain their lead over the Geordie boys, as the electronic board signalled for the number twelve to come on, a loud shriek of despair from behind me cried ‘He’s s***!’. The protagonists on both occasions however went deafeningly quiet after Giroud bagged a double in both matches.

My assertion is that ‘Dave’ will be successful in due course, due to his ability to be effective at the basics. On the first day of the season against Sunderland, he missed a sitter, though - to be fair - during the same match Santi Carzola had done the ‘outlandish’ thing of hitting a corner in the box at head height, which left the rest of the Arsenal side looking as bemused as a sheep being introduced to an iPhone. Giroud is the first Arsenal player in a long while to be unashamed and uninhibited about the fact that he is good in the air and for that I applaud the guy, as I’m sick of the fact that, for far too long, set-pieces like corners have not been treated as the goal-scoring opportunities that they quite clearly are.

Much was also made of his attempt at Stoke back in August from distance that hit the roof of the net, particularly from Alan Davies’s TalkSportified ‘man with twelve O-Levels, two A-Levels and a Degree tries to sound like boorish idiot down the pub’ weekly podcast. Giroud has no qualms, though, about hitting the ball from distance and far less of an inclination to pass the ball to death – something Arsenal players for too long have been obsessed about. It’s odd also how, on the few occasions when I have stomached watching Robin van Persie in a United shirt this season he has scored a few times from outside the box, seemingly released from the shackles of an over-passing side. Also, aside from the sitter against Sunderland, Giroud has scored quite a few ‘meat-and-drink’ chances from inside the box this season, showing that his is no Nic Bendtner-style ‘cow’s-arse-with-a-banjo’ merchant.

Leaving aside the ‘jinx’ theory of our number nine shirt since the introduction of squad numbering nearly two decades ago, I personally feel that particular number would have been more befitting of Giroud than Podolski, as big ‘Dave’ is a more of a throwback to the traditional No 9s of English Football – like the Alan Smiths, Frank Stapletons and Malcolm McDonalds of old, rather than your modern Henrys and RvPs. Maybe that makes him a bit of a dinosaur in the modern EPL, a bit of a Tyrannosaurus Rex if you will (hence the title, pop pickers!). However after seven barren seasons, I’m pretty sure there’s many among us that wouldn’t mind the E******s Stadium renamed Jurassic Park if it translated into a few more points on the board.

I also greatly like how Walcott and Giroud have combined effectively from crosses on a couple of occasions this season – particularly against Reading and Newcastle – which. if Theo is going to be retained in the long run, hints at a potentially powerful axis that could be worked on at the training ground should a certain someone from Totteridge via Alsace Lorraine have the inclination to do so. But then again, having never worked a day in football what the hell would I know about that?

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  1. Powling

    Jan 11, 2013, 7:56 #30697

    @Chris- Re Peter Hill-Wood- I'll take your 'I know what you are saying' as the best apology I'm going to get- thanks. Re Cole- If you believe that Wenger's best mate Dein would refuse to pay Cole the extra £5k a week if Wenger thought he deserved it, then that's fine. Re Wages- If the board do set a wage cap, it doesn't automatically follow that it should impact on the manager's ability to set his own wage structure or set a wage cap of his own within that restriction. It purely depends on the ceiling, which can be absolutely anything, although as I've already said any wage cap at Arsenal is purely notional as it can be broken at any time as shown last week when Wenger said when he wants to spend above and beyond the norm he simply goes to the board and they normally give him what he wants. In any case, it was you that was so sure that the board imposes a wage cap, not me. I'll assume that's the case for the sake of an argument and because it's generally the way things work, but as I have no real evidence either way (and neither do you, unless your 'very good sources' are direct quotes from either Wenger or board members), I can't say who is responsible. Re the non-spend- No I don't believe Wenger would hand back £100m, that would be stupid, he would simply keep it until he felt the need to spend it. And yes I do believe he is declining to spend much of the £50-60m available, and I don't believe he's handing it back this time either, he's keeping it until he feels the need to spend it. It's exactly the same. The problem is (my opinion, no conclusive evidence, just based on everything Wenger has ever said about money in football, especially since the sugar daddies have arrived) that firstly, he genuinely believe that he still has the ability to win the big trophies without spending serious money, and secondly, he wants to prove the whole world wrong by doing just that. Unfortunately HE'S been he's proved wrong every year. If he's stockpiling the cash for post-FFP then good luck to him with UEFA's track record, but back luck to all the season ticket holders like me who fork out fortunes every summer just to watch us tread water (sorry but it's difficult to be sanguine), this at a time when the Premier League is at it's weakest for many years.

  2. Chris

    Jan 10, 2013, 11:42 #30652

    @Powling - Re Cole - my understanding (from what Cole 'himself' has written) was that a wage of 60k had been agreed between his agents and whoever was conducting the negotiations (Dein? Dein/Wenger?) and that the board refused to ratify it, setting a ceiling of 55k per week. Re wages - If you are saying that the board set the wage cap (ie the maximum any player can be paid), which is what I believe we know, then that's not compatible with Wenger being solely responsible for the wage structure - I believe we are all in agreement that the board sets the total amount available to the manager. re PHW - I know what you are saying but there is a general tendency for folk to believe him when he says something that supports their view on Wenger but to deride what he says at other times. Folk seem to believe Wenger is sitting on 60m - which does suggest they believe he doesn't want to spend it (and presumably that he's not using all of the funds allocated by the board?). 60m, 100m - it's not really that different. If you don't believe he'd hand 100m back, why believe he won't spend the 60m? One plausible explanation is that he'd rather spend it later - ie when FFP and general market forces reduce wages and transfer fees so he can get more relative bang for his buck. Personally, having a more sanguine view about the current team than many (which is perhaps supported by recent Chelsea & Aston Villa results providing a bit of perspective), I believe we'd be at or very close to top of the table had RVP and Song not been sold in the summer (provided they remained fully committed), not least because the Mancs would be struggling. That would have only used up half of 60m if it was available. I don't seriously believe Wenger is so deluded or incompetent as to think the team was going to win the league without keeping / properly replacing those two - do you? So either Wenger has done this to maintain his zero net spend (in which case I would not argue with those who say he should be sacked!) or finances are tighter than some would believe.

  3. Nicos

    Jan 10, 2013, 11:35 #30650

    Very good article, Robert! totally agree with everything. Nice to see someone looking on the bright-side (for once.) He's got potential and I think he can become a world class striker. If anyone is to turn 'Dave' to a world class striker it would be Le Professor!

  4. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jan 09, 2013, 22:05 #30617

    @ Chris, I could write exactly the same message to you, only exchanging the word 'anti' for the word 'pro'. Anyway I'm stopping there before Paddy (rightly) tells us off again.

  5. Powling

    Jan 09, 2013, 21:20 #30615

    @Chris- I said no-one believes that Wenger would actually turn down £100m, I DIDN'T say no-one believed Hill-Wood when he relayed the anecdote. I'm sure you understood the first time so please stop trying to put words in my mouth. I'll clear up the rest quickly. Re the wages, for a board to set a ceiling and for a manager to decide how the money is allocated below that is normal in any business including football, nothing to query there. And re Cole, I'm saying if Wenger had wanted him to have £60k a week, he'd have had £60k a week. Keep it grown-up please.

  6. Chris

    Jan 09, 2013, 20:35 #30613

    @SGRB - It may be 'abundantly clear' to you but that's because you have swallowed the anti-Wenger agenda hook, line and sinker. In fact, although you are clearly a bright chap, you seem so far gone that I do wonder whether you are actually still capable of independent thought on the matter.

  7. Chris

    Jan 09, 2013, 19:58 #30612

    @ Powling - What's all this 'Once again it's you doing the misleading'? I've never knowingly mislead anyone, here or elsewhere - I referred people to the quote which in my reading means something totally different to what you are claiming. You interpet it to fit what you want it to belive! You are deluding yourself if you believe it can only mean that it was Wenger's idea alone 'and then he persuaded the board to implement it' - lol! In any case, the wage cap is an integral part of the wage structure - possibly the most fundamental and certainly the most damaging - if you accept that came from the board, how can you be saying that the wage structure came form Wenger and wenger alone? Lack of consistency, dude. And what are you on about with Cole? Who said he was sold behind Wenger's back? He was sold becuase he had met with Chelsea to get more money. Finally, regarding 100m - actually there are folk on here who maintian that to be the case. In fact, it was PHW who said that about Wenger (which 'no one believes') - but of course, his word on Wenger sitting on noney is gospel right? You do make me laugh.

  8. Powling

    Jan 09, 2013, 18:47 #30611

    @Chris- Once again it is you who is doing the misleading, not the Telegraph. Wenger's exact words in reply to a direct question as to whether HE sets the wage structure at Arsenal was 'Yes. I don't know how it works at others. But it's not only me, it's in co-operation with the board'. That clearly means that it's his idea and he persuaded the board to implement it. It can't mean anything else. As for the board these days 'usually' backing Wenger when he wants to go slightly over budget, well if they're beginning to question the madness of giving new 3 year contracts to the likes of Johan Djourou, or buying 3rd rate forwards from a 3rd rate league 3 years in a row, then I'm all for that. And do you really believe that David Dein sold Ashley Cole against the express wishes of his best mate Wenger? We don't 'already know' that the board impose the wage cap but as that would be normal I would assume that's the case. It doesn't really mean very much though as it's an internal agreement and can be broken at any time. I wish Arsenal good luck with FFP though I won't be holding my breath after reading PSG's new £120m a year sponsorship deal that doesn't even include shirt advertising, let's see what Platini does with that one. As for your last point, no-one really believes that Wenger would hand back £100m if he were given it, but one thing that we do know with absolute certainly is that he has in recent years been sitting on 'quite a lot' of money, because Peter Hill-Wood unequivocally said so.

  9. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jan 09, 2013, 16:56 #30609

    Okay Chris, to me it seems abundantly clear that the wage structure is Wenger's doing (Cole was many years ago now, when Dein was still at the club, so not the best example), he describes in that article why he believes in it and when asked if it's his idea he directly answers 'Yes' then goes on to say 'in cooperation with the board', but to you that's insufficient evidence, so there we'll differ. I don't think it's naive to believe that Wenger decides on the flat wage structure, the salary cap and doesn't spend all the money available. Quite the opposite, I think it would be naive to think they would sack him for doing all of that, given the profit he makes for a seemingly uninterested, absentee owner.

  10. Chris

    Jan 09, 2013, 14:39 #30605

    With respect, SGRB, Wenger did not say that - take a look at the quote in the Telegraph article. It says that he and the board did so – the article was misleading in that respect. We already know that the board have imposed the wage cap and it was the board who refused Ashley Cole an additional 5k per week. Within those constraints, Wenger and the board devised the wage structure and, within those constraints, some might say it makes sense. Wenger has also said that when he wants to break the wage structure, he goes to the board and asks and usually (presumably then not always, then) they back him. Forgive me if I’m wrong but I haven’t seen him say anywhere that he is proud of it (although I can imagine he might be) or that he plans to continue in the same vein. For what it’s worth – I think the wage cap in particular should be scrapped immediately and I have done ever since I’ve known about it, because it prevents Arsenal bringing in or keeping top players. If being able to afford to pay some players more means paying the lower ranks less, so be it. I think if Wenger does stick with it (and to be fair, we are already seeing signs that he might not as there’s been talk of a relaxation of financial constraints with new greater income) it is because he’s expecting, as he has said himself, for the wages at other clubs to come down as FFP regulations kick in. If Arsenal relax constraints and other clubs become restrained, I would imagine there would be some meeting in the middle and that Arsenal would not suffer to the same extent. IF, as some seem to believe, Wenger was unilaterally responsible for the wage cap, wage structure etc and was sitting on 60m+ of unused funds, and would actually hand back 100m to improve the team if offered it, then I think he should be sacked immediately and I think he WOULD have been some time ago. But I don’t really think we’re so naïve as to believe that’s the case, are we…?

  11. Clock End Mel

    Jan 09, 2013, 13:03 #30601

    Giroud is good at defending corners and runs like he's got a carrot up his arse.

  12. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jan 09, 2013, 12:18 #30597

    @ Chris, so within whatever budget Wenger has, he himself has said he has imposed the 'socialist' wage structure. What is your position on this, can Arsenal progress with this structure or will it continue to mean we'll lose our best players and be stuck with players we can't get rid of - that Wenger himself wants rid of? Given that's what's been happening over the last few years, why do you think Wenger has stated he is 'proud' of the wage structure and intends to continue in the same vein? I can't think of any reasons beyond a stubborn adherence to a 'principle' that is clearly hurting Arsenal Football Club, so it would be interesting to hear your take on this specific point.

  13. Theo Jensen

    Jan 09, 2013, 11:57 #30594

    @Chris the thing with the coefficients is that the EPL has generally been ahead and its dip seems to parallel the dip in standards as evidenced through the Champions League record. My point with teams lower down is that there's stuff like derby rivalries, diffcult grounds to go (eg United went 5 games without a win at Craven Cottage). But like I said, that's more a footnote, I think the real meat of the debate is in actual performances in the Champions League of late. Chelsea: come on now! we were criticised for not using our possession before and not finishing off teams, that is wholly different to their campaign. Napoli's second leg performance was utterly woeful. At home to Barca? 30-70% possession with just 4 shots at goal, compared to Barca's 25!! 1 corner compared to Barca's 10. Second leg, 27-73% possession (!) 7 shots on goal compared to 23 Barca and 3 corners compared to 14. Bayern: 55-45% possession, an incredible 34 shots compared to Chelsea's 9, 20 (!) corners compared to Chelsea's 1. It was LUCK- an unbelievable number of missed Bayern and Barca chances: their loss rather than Chelsea's win- in the same way Messi's (off target...) penalty miss was their shortcoming not Chelsea's skill. United were outclassed by Basel firstly and decimated over TWO LEGS by mid-table Athletic Bilbao- hardly an anomaly. I admit though they're better now with RvP; their group this season was the easiest by far, so we'll see with the Madrid ties... I agree somewhat with your thoughts on City but re: experience- didn't they have that in the Europa League? why beaten by lowly Sporting Lisbon? I think we actually have some common ground though: (at last!) the 2005-2011 record which I mentioned speaks volumes of the depth of high quality EPL teams, and in my view that big 4-6, long term, represents the best league in the world. But in the same way Chelsea are "in transition" that is my point. This and last season have seen a big dip in standards of the biggest teams. I don't think it's mainly that other leagues have risen but that comparing to 2009, where 3/4 semi finalists were English for example, United had Ronaldo and a better, younger defence. Chelsea's later dubbed 'Old Guard' weren't old but at their peak, and we still had our world class players. Isn't it the case that these big teams are a few years and remedied squad deficiencies away from their previous state?

  14. Ron

    Jan 09, 2013, 11:41 #30593

    Joe S - Radford and Kennedy won a double with decent football. The team had a mix of experience, youth, skill, hard men and had fight, desire, stubbornness and mental strength,this was the type of mental strength that Wenger likes to talk (lie) about that he stupidly suggests exists in his team now, despite the evidence being exhibited every game that we have none!The 1971 team had a chemistry that Wenger spurns and in my view no longer has the ability to create as such a team is never created by having a dressing room full of choir boys and 'yes men'which is his clear preference today. PS By the way the 'class axis' that you speak of never got close to a title and badly underachieved, despite how good the said players were. The fact they underachieved was very much down to poor management of them, which is precisely why us elder statesmen amongst our support feel that we know bad managmenet when we see it, such as now. The fact that we look back at the boys of 71 so fondly was in large part due to the fact that that team never once bottled it, choked, shirked a fight, whinged or moaned about teams kicking them and won games repeatedly, unlike the flaky mix of lightweights and powder puffs the Club sends out today. You ought to revise your recollect of old teams and you might learn something about the new.

  15. Powling

    Jan 09, 2013, 11:22 #30592

    @Chris- EVERY manager is financially constrained by the board at EVERY club, bar Man City, Chelsea, PSG and a couple of Russian clubs. To say that is the case with Wenger is pointless. Of course the board set a budget, and no-one is saying that we can compete with Man City's money, but what makes people angry is when Wenger declines to spend all the money available because he believes he can build a team to win the big trophies without doing so. Then when he's proved wrong he does the same thing all over again the next year. And the next year. And the next year.

  16. Chris

    Jan 09, 2013, 10:10 #30587

    @Gooner Fan – Wenger is financially constrained by the board- they set the budget for him to work within. There have been reports from very good sources that the wage cap is imposed by the board – we even have the Ashley Cole saga about the BOARD refusing to go above 55k per week. Wenger has very recently said “I make recommendations to the board about what I think a player should be paid and MOST OF THE TIME they go with that.” Regarding “Harping on about facts” – we can find quotes from board members to back up all sorts of positions, especially the idea that Arsenal can’t compete on wages or transfers because of financial restrictions, and some from Wenger to suggest he would not be so stupid as to sit on piles of money whilst the team was losing – I do not regard these as facts, even though they support the position I often argue here. And don’t get me wrong, I have never suggested that Wenger is blameless or perfect (I have often said he has mismanaged the transition from the initial Project Youth), even though goading from anti-Wenger extremists sometimes makes me take a more hardcore stance than I otherwise would, in order to provide balance.

  17. Chris

    Jan 09, 2013, 9:57 #30586

    @Theo - Fair enough - I had read it as "each year, but one from four different sides” rather than each year “each year but one, from four different sides”; reminds me of that book about pandas (Eats, shoots and leaves)! I do agree the way you intended makes more sense though. To answer your points clearly and directly: If the coefficients so far this season reflect the general status of the league, the EPL is the third best in Europe so far. Chelsea won the CL by scoring more than the teams they played against, and they received the appropriate points for doing that, so there’s no exception there. It’s all about scoring more than the opposition – Arsenal were rightly been criticised a few years back for dominating in the Fabregas era but falling to a Drogba goal or two. Were we better than them? Regarding measures for teams lower down the league – you are incorrect. Fourteen EPL teams have current UEFA coefficients, and that’s because they have all played in European competitions in the last five years (the most in Europe, by the way). That is why I made the point about average national coefficients penalising countries like England, because even teams like Portsmouth, Birmingham and Stoke count towards that average…... I don’t remember saying you hadn’t proved the EPL was weaker than a few years ago – if I did that may have been technically correct but, for what’s it’s worth, in my opinion (and based on UEFA coefficients!) there has been a moderate decline in the relative strength of the EPL, due mostly to a continued increase in the already excellent Spanish league (Spanish league has been number one for the past three seasons and is pulling away)and, this season alone, due to an apparent rise in the quality of the German league (but I’d caution against conclusions based on one season - look at Newcastle in the EPL this year and see below) and a possible resurgence of Serie A this year after a couple of poor seasons. Manchester United’s elimination last year was a one off, as their performances this year show – I can guarantee Arsenal would have got through their group last year, despite finishing so far behind them in the league. The same can be said of Chelsea this year – they are a team in transition. Even so, they would have made it through had Rafa taken over in the summer. And I could cite the fact they won it whilst finishing six in the EPL last year as an example of the EPL’s strength in depth… As for City – they are suffering from very hard draws due to a poor UEFA coefficient, lack of collective (ie as a team) experience in Europe and a manager who always seems to struggle in Europe (despite domestic dominance in Italy, as well as success in the EPL), as well as, against Ajax, the effects of pressure resulting from an accumulation of poor results caused by the factors above. So, summary – the EPL is demonstrably the second best in Europe. The jury is still out whether this season’s results see it finish with second best record again – there may be a blip which could see the league have the 3rd or even 4th best record for this season (and this season alone, I would wager).

  18. Andy M

    Jan 09, 2013, 7:37 #30583

    Good post. I too think that Giroud is a decent player - his positional sense is good. If anything, he's probably trying to hard. Once he relaxes a bit more, the goal tally will increase. And he gives us another dimension to Walcott's Henryesque approach to things. Players like Giroud and Poldi give us a more physical presence as well. It's just annoying that the occasions when the entire team doesn't quite click are becoming more numerous. We really should be higher up the table than we are...

  19. Gooner Fan

    Jan 09, 2013, 3:02 #30582

    @Chris: Powling is right, you are a Wenger apologists, probably the most hardcore of them of the lot. It's you Wenger apologists that keeps harping on about how it's because of the board and not Wenger that sets the wages and reason why top players leave because it's all the board's fault. Didn't you keep spouting how Wenger is "financial constrained" and how the board "forced the wage cap on Wenger" on not just here but also at Arsenal Truth (you should read the latest article there, because it's interesting how you'll spin the arguments made there), because the articles in Telegraph as well as other sites showed that Arsene has just as much say in the wages. As for transfers, for someone who harping on about facts you tend to ignore how the board constantly (including this January) will provide Wenger money to spend. In a 2008 article in the DailyStar, the late Danny Fiszman mentioned how "It’s not our decision who he (Wenger) spends money on, nor will it ever be our decision. If he said to us, ‘I want this guy and he’s £30m, can I buy him?’ the answer is ‘yes’. Absolutely. We totally back him. It’s his decision." Peter Hill-Wood (DailyMail a few years ago) even mentioned how if the board give £100m to Wenger that Arsene will give it right back. Most likely because Wenger likes to inflate he ego on his "youth project", something he implemented at Arsenal, not PHW or Gazidis. It's history repeating itself if you look at his first attempt at the youth project when he was managing at Monaco, which failed and got him fired. Not saying the board shouldn't get any blame, the one thing that people should give the board a hard time is them giving Wenger so much power on transfers. Face it, there's a growing evidence that it's mostly Wenger's responsibility when it comes to transfers, but you refuse to see it because you only want to see the "facts" that side with your arguments.

  20. Joe S.

    Jan 09, 2013, 2:00 #30581

    Its kind of depressing how many ( older ) fans want to go back to the future seeing Giroud and a second striker as a return to the good old days of Radford and Kennedy. I may have lost something in terms of memory but didn't Arsenal use to play a lot of crap football in those days? Just boot the ball up the middle and hope. Kennedy didn't show his full potential until he went to Liverpool and the quality of play at Arsenal didn't pick up until the Brady,Stapleton O'Leary axis gave us a much needed boost in class. I hate this peasant mentality being proposed by the likes of Guy in Jersey.Their argument runs that the elite players are too good for us so we should learn to love the likes of Giroud. Why not demand and agitate for something better?

  21. Theo Jensen

    Jan 08, 2013, 23:02 #30575

    @Chris well I think firstly if you actually read what I wrote I clearly said that "the fact is 2005-2011 an EPL team made the final each year but one" so I didn't make a factual error there as you claimed. No final conclusion was drawn from this season, I'm simply saying that the coefficients so far this season reflect the general status of the league. AS I pointed out, last season Chelsea didn't really count unless you thought they outfought Barca? that's why I said it's not evidence in its own right so let's not get too petty here. The reason I felt compelled to cite them is that last time you just said I hadn't proved the EPL is weaker than it was a few years ago (and by the way there's no real measure for the lower teams in the league), but put all that aside... Just tell me plainly and simply: why did last season only one EPL team make it past the last 16 with City and United denied progress by Athletic Bilbao, Sporting Lisbon and Basel despite being 19 points better than us in third. And why this season did City finish bottom of a group below even Ajax, and why were Chelsea the first Champions Leage 'victors' to be eliminated at the group stage the following season?

  22. Chris

    Jan 08, 2013, 22:27 #30573

    @Powling - I have always understood that Wenger was given a budget to work with and could decide how to distribute it between wages and transfer fees. It therefore follows that he could, as I say, do what he liked with the money he had to spend. So no, I didn't know he had to go to the board to have individual decisiosn ratified BUT if you read my post, you will see that the whole point I was making was that there wasn't anything significant or new in what has been said recently (except perhaps that some of the board were pushing for investment in new players). The wage bill isn't news at all, sorry, and if you care to look you'll find numerous newspaper articles that talk about it - I'll leave that to you. What has been debated was whether the relatively wages of some lesser payers represented unecssary waste. Having said that, given that most people (obviously not you) already accepted that that wage policy existed, and given that whether or not I'd appreciated Wenger went to the board to get some expenditure is a bit trivial and unimportant, I'm not really sure how this reflects on Wenger or his apologists?

  23. Powling

    Jan 08, 2013, 21:37 #30569

    @Chris- So as someone who has constantly espoused the theory that Wenger is working under financial restrictions, it was 'news' to you that he might have to get the OK from the board if he wanted to spend beyond the norm? OK then. And if you can find previous confirmation of Wenger's much-debated wage policy then please let me know, cheers. You're really not doing you and your fellow Wenger-apologists any favours here mate.

  24. Chris

    Jan 08, 2013, 21:02 #30567

    @Powling - it was news to me. And presumably to many of the people on here who view Wenger as a 'dictator' with far too much power. I suppose it does make sense that this should happen but I certainly didn't find it particularly significant and so didn't mean it to sound a big deal. But I'm not sure what - other than the use of the word 'socialist' - was new about what was siad about the wage policy? That has been widely known and discussed for years...

  25. Ron

    Jan 08, 2013, 17:54 #30559

    Radford/Kennedy - Great points mate. Isnt it great to reflect on the likes of Raddy. Ray Kennedy was a player before his time in many ways, perhaps why he was even greater in mid field for Liverpool than as a striker at Highbury (though he was then with far better players on joining Liverpool wasnt he). Raddy was a great servant for us. Joe Baker was my only true 'hero' though. Bloody brilliant he was. Guts, skill and a great big heart and deadly striker too. How i wish we had some players like these guys of which Giroud is in many ways similar i feel.

  26. Powling

    Jan 08, 2013, 17:07 #30556

    @Chris- Since when is the fact that Wenger goes to the board for the OK if he wants to spend bigger than usual news?? Do you think he just spends money without telling them? That's just standard courtesy that happens at every club and your 'suggests a degree of top down control that I previously wasn't aware of' sounds ridiculous so please stop trying to make something out of absolutely nothing. The only real news to come out of that interview was the long-awaited conformation of Wenger's socialist wage policy, which simply removes the financial incentive for all our young/inexperienced/crap players to improve.

  27. radfordkennedy

    Jan 08, 2013, 17:01 #30555

    @ron..your John Radford analogy was closer to the mark than you think,when Raddy played alongside the likes of bobby gould and charlie(before gordon west smashed his ankle)it wasn't really working it wasn't untill the right player in ray kennedy came along that his game flourished,which is why its essential that wenger goes 442 with walcott and giroud.personally I like giroud he's got bottle and I for one am willing to forgive any short-comings he may have to have him in the team fighting.when he comes of the pitch sweating like a ten dollar hooker you know he's give his all and there aint that many you can say that about

  28. Guy in Jersey

    Jan 08, 2013, 16:29 #30554

    Final points on Giroud. Firstly, I didn't claim he was fantastic, but that's he's doing more than okay and that there's every evidence he'll adapt. I, and others, have every confidence he will. That doesn't mean we don't need another goalscoring attacker, but he's currently our best bet (and is why both JJ and I agree he'll be a very decent No.2 striker). And just because I'm defending Giroud, doesn't mean I'm a Wenger apologist. I'm not. Secondly, despite me spelling it out, Giroud should NOT be compered with Chamakh, Park, Gervinho (or Perry Groves and Kevin Davies) - all of whom have crap goalscoring records. He doesn't. Thirdly, he wasn't chased by PSG (it might help if some of the posters on here could actually read and/or understand some of the points being made). Rather Montpellier were chased all the way to the title by PSG and, unlike a certain side from North London in recent years, they didn't choke. By the way, PSG may be Johnny-come-latelys, but they've won more domestic honours (and European honours) than we have recently! So, get your facts right. Finally, the comparisons with Demba Ba, Cisse, Gomis, Remy (and Gignac, who I missed out) are to demonstrate that Giroud's goalscoring record and career progression compare favourably with all of them - and they are all names which have regularly come up when the top 6-10 Premiership clubs (of which we're now one) are linked with possible strikers. I'd love us to be signing the likes of Falcao, Neymar, Cavani, Milito, Soldado and Lewandowski*, but realistically we're not competing at that level - either in terms of our spending or our future trophy potential and appeal to such top players. Giroud and Podolski are the type of players we can expect. Not bad players, but not the very best. * Anyway, Lewandowski was still playing in Poland in 2010, so he's obviously sh*t. In the same way that Giroud's a French international and France are sh*t as well. You can't possibly compare him to the likes of an England or Mexican international (Wellbeck, Hernandez, Carroll, Bent, Defoe, Sturridge) and those countries' fantastic record of success in the last 50 years/months/weeks.

  29. Ron

    Jan 08, 2013, 15:59 #30550

    i put in a shift - Ha I can see your point mate, all of them but where youre slightly off kilter is that your arguments for 'top quality' are at the expense of the likes of Giroud. For me, such a player would benefit from being used alongside such quality and not replaced by them. All the attributes are there to work with. To use a historic analogy, Giroud could be the 'John Radford' alonside 'a Charlie George' if you see my meaning. We lack players with some fibre. No great team contains only highly skilled technocrats no matter how much the Club charges for its tickets.

  30. Ron

    Jan 08, 2013, 14:39 #30547

    Giroud is decent. He needs games and a coach with the balls to tell him, Walcott and the team that hes the Centre forward and needs recognizing and using as one. Hes solid and doesnt shirk. OK hes not technically like RVP was but i like the elements of his game. Its a welcome sight from tip tap, heartless, passionless fiddling and meandering!

  31. Red Member

    Jan 08, 2013, 13:24 #30541

    nilz21 makes one of the best comments I have ever seen on here. I too agree that the day we sold RVP was the day this club died. There should have been a furious reaction to that yet somehow the club spun their way out of it, and still the supporters sit there and take whatever new dross is put in front of them. Unbelievable

  32. Chris

    Jan 08, 2013, 12:40 #30538

    @Theo – sorry mate you’ve lost me – where did I ‘opt not to argue against the facts’? Also, you say an EPL team made the final each year 2005-2011 but that’s not true either – 2010 was Inter vs Bayern. And what’s more – in 2012 Chelsea got to the final so you completely undermine your own point. Finally, why cite the UEFA coefficients to back up your point if you are subsequently going to ignore / deride their importance (‘because whatever the coefficients say…’) in favour of a convoluted argument, littered with caveats, exceptions and conditions (post 33181), to prove a point you consider self-evident (‘as if more proof was necessary…’)? Sorry if I sound harsh but you did state that I’d ‘opted not to argue against the facts’ whilst all I’m trying to do is inject a bit of rigour by pointing out where the facts are wrong.

  33. Chris

    Jan 08, 2013, 12:26 #30535

    @Theo - ok so to an extent it's a semantic issue as you were referring to the points for individual seasons rather than the (total) 'UEFA coefficient' as stated. Fair enough. If, as appears to be the case, you are talking about average coefficients for teams from each country (which seems fair enough over all, but still potentially penalises countries like England who have more teams in European competition, because teams lower ranked within-country contribute to the average points compared to countries with fewer participants) I still have England second for last season - the last complete season (Spain 15.96; England 11.28; Germany 10.3; Italy 9.4). It's not really any more valid to look at this seasons points than it is to look at the table halfway through a league season and conclude who the best team is so we can ignore that, although like you I have England third so far. Are you only including CL teams? Maybe that explains the difference? Although personally I think you need to look at all teams as equality of competition as you go down the league is an important component of league quality....

  34. Theo Jensen

    Jan 08, 2013, 12:08 #30534

    @Gooner fan- I don't cite the coefficients as evidence in their own right, but rather to prove (as if more proof was necessary...) that a nose-dive in standards of the EPL has occured in since last season. That's probably why Chris opted not to argue against the facts- because whatever the coeffecients say, the fact is 2005-2011 an EPL team made the final each year but one from four different sides. Whereas last year only one team passed the last 16 stage and this year Chelsea and City got knocked out with us and United up against (currently) much stronger opposition.

  35. GoonerRon

    Jan 08, 2013, 11:58 #30533

    It's still early days for Giroud but I've seen enough to think he can become a top player for us. For those saying he's technically deficient, look at his assists for Podolski against Montpellier and Gibbs against Swansea - he's definitely got it in his locker. If we give him the grace of a four game goalless 'settling in' period at the start of the season, since then he's scored a goal every 2.55 games or every 1.55 starts. I know he's missed chances but for me that is a very good return.

  36. Chris

    Jan 08, 2013, 11:23 #30529

    @Gooner Fan - what a strange comment! I don't take the uefa coefficients seriously at all, but Theo mentioned them to back up a point he's made before about the relative strength of this league so I went and got the data, looked at it and couldn't understand the statement he'd made about it. I'm sticking to the facts as usual! Regarding Wenger - I've read some stuff over the weekend in the Guardian and don't understand the point you're making. From what I read (although Amy Lawrence's article was uncharacteristically spectacularly unclear on the whole issue) the conclusions were; the board sets the over all budget; Wenger decides how to use it with reagrds to split between wages & transfer fees (nothing new on either of these points); if Wenger wants to spend big, he goes to the board for the ok (now that is new - suggests a degree of top down control that I previously wasn't aware of); some on the board want Wenger to buy more players (that's also new and is interesting - but it doesn't show that Wenger is the one preventing transfers as there may be others on the board who don't want that!). If I've missed something, I'm happy to hear it!

  37. I put in a shift

    Jan 08, 2013, 10:57 #30526

    WOW. 5th richest club in the world. Over £90 mil in cash just sititng in a dormant account. Sold best striker in the PL.Most expensive STs in European football. Manager on 7 mil a year. And we are supposed to be grateful cos Giraffe (GREAT NAME!) 'puts in a shift'? So bloody what? Kevin Davies puts in a shift and so would Bob the bloody Builder. I don't want a 'shift' player or I'd go down Hackney Marshes. I want top quality. And that is what Giroud certainly ain't and certainly never will be! He isn't good enough to be 4th choice at Manure FFS. Wtf is he doing at Arsenal? I do love how people claim 'oooh Ba and Drogba started late' Laughable rubbish. Next you'll use the example Bergkamp needed a year to adapt eh? I remember hearing about these 'shifts' Chamakh, Gervinho and Djourou put in. How d'that work out then? Pathetic. Giroud/Giraffe is a Bolton player in anArsenal kit. PSG chased him? So what? They chased Taarabt! And who are PSG? Is that what we're reduced to? Comparing a great club like Arsenal to a nouveau-riche joke club who've got zero European trophies and were only shaped in the 1980s!!! Pathetic.

  38. Gooner Fan

    Jan 08, 2013, 10:35 #30525

    @Chris: I see that you moved away from using the transfers and wages to defend Wenger, because he recently let out that he has much power as the board when it comes to spending, something which you keep harping on about that he doesn't and moved onto something as arbitrary as UEFA coefficients. Next thing you'll be taking the FIFA world ranking seriously.

  39. Croker

    Jan 08, 2013, 10:35 #30524

    Well put @ Guy in Jersey. Giroud is not a World beater like RVP or a Bergkamp but he is a more than useful leader of the front line and as his confidence has grown, Giroud's first touch and creative play has improved. I see him as a signing which has strengthened the squad but as we all weary of saying, we stll need that spine of steel running through the Team from an experienced goalkeeper who can organise what's going on in front of him, a commanding centre back with pace, a left back who stays fit and does n't go to sleep and forget to cover his side of the pitch, a couple of midfield destroyer and "water carrier" type players and through to someone who can up the tempo of our attacks. A proper defensive coach would be our best signing of all, though.

  40. Theo Jensen

    Jan 08, 2013, 10:15 #30523

    @Chris well the TOTAL coefficient puts the English league at second place, yes. However, this has been added up since 2008 which is not quite the issue. Manchester United were finalists that season, with Cristiano Ronaldo, for example. Whereas last season they were denied progress by lowly Basel and Athletic Bilbao... so looking at last season firstly, as a testament to the slump in standards, it went from 18.357 the season before to 15.250, that was joint second with Germany but of course Chelsea's results were lucky to put it mildly. This season, the EPL has 11.142 compared to 13.357 for the Bundesliga and 13.857 for La Liga. The EPL does have a modest advantage of 0.392 over Serie A so far this season, but we're facing a team in the Bundesliga that finished above domestically third-placed Shalke, who we claimed 1 out of 6 points from in the group stage. And United are currently just 7 points clear of a side that did so badly in a group with Madrid and Dortmund that even Ajax finished above them! So you could argue it's marginally the third best, for now, but I think Serie A will probably do better by the end of the season. Regardless, the fact only one English team made it past the last 16 last season and just two past the group stages this season is testament to the slump.

  41. Joe S.

    Jan 08, 2013, 2:34 #30519

    Golly Gosh! 14 goals in 44 games for Montpellier in his first season. The stuff of wonders. Hang on ,we're not expecting Messi like stats or performances here but this is Arsenal and what most of his apologists are saying here is that fair enough Giroud is a journeyman however he works hard and is a fairly nice guy to boot regardless of where he takes Arsenal in the future.

  42. ppp

    Jan 08, 2013, 0:40 #30518

    @ mahobhojohnfisher Amen! Great to see a real boy on the gooner - great stuff! To all those tarts missing Van Persie - get over it! He's a bottler. He wasn't prepared to roll his sleeves up and work and he walked out like a squealing child. Captain? Biggest mistake of Wenger's career.

  43. Super Super Quality

    Jan 07, 2013, 23:21 #30516

    Meat metaphors? What's this, a lost episode of Vic Reeves Big Night Out? I believe it was Paul Newman who said "why go out for a hamburger when you can have steak at home"...yet the best steak cuts have already been sold off to Mancini's Trattoria, Planet Ferguson and La Carneceria de Catalunya. Meanwhile the supporters are being charged Le Gavroche prices but being served Happy Meals with a crappy toy.

  44. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Jan 07, 2013, 23:05 #30514

    If we're talking musical references for the players, when are you going to do the article entitled "Superfreak" about Gervinho?

  45. Paul

    Jan 07, 2013, 22:24 #30513

    So Giroud puts a shift in.So did Perry Groves.Didnt make him a good player though.Truth is he is another dud from the French league following Forehead.We are in the top 5 richest clubs in the world FFS why are we signing so many crap players

  46. Chris

    Jan 07, 2013, 22:20 #30512

    And according to the UEFA coefficients alone, Arsenal are actually the 3rd best team in the 2nd best league. Make of that what you will...

  47. Robert Exley

    Jan 07, 2013, 22:14 #30511

    Theo - oddly enough with Chamakh I wouldn't be surprised if Sam Alladyce gets something out of him. It's no coincidence that Chamakh's only two moments of glory since 2011 are both where Wenger has change the formation from 4-5-1. Blackburn away last year when he got on the end of an RVP cross and Reading. It's about time Wenger played with 2 upfront again

  48. Chris

    Jan 07, 2013, 22:09 #30508

    @Theo - could you tell me how you have the as English premier league fourth strongest in Europe based on UEFA coefficents? I've got the data in front of me and no matter how I look at it, I can't come to that conclusion... I'd say it's very hard to come to any concluson other than that Arsenal are the 4th best team in the second best league in Europe. Spanish league is top, followed by English, then German and Italian in 3rd and 4th.

  49. Jego

    Jan 07, 2013, 22:03 #30507

    I would like to see Manuel Pelligirini or Pep Guardiola to manage our club, but the problem is.... sacking Arsene Wenger isn't enough, other problems like Kroenke and Gazidis will still be there, thus continuing their profit making/money siphoning scheme...

  50. Guy in Jersey

    Jan 07, 2013, 21:41 #30505

    If you're going to slate someone, get your facts right. (Assez déjà! and nilz21, this is in response to you). I like Giroud. He's what a call a proper striker, i.e. he scores goals, but I like him for a number of reasons which I'll outline below. His career has been on a slow burn, so he's taken a while to get to the top, but he's met every challenge along the way - although (like Edin Dzeko) I doubt he has enough pace or guile to be 'top, top quality'. However, I agree with JJ that he's a 'very decent no.2 striker' - capable of leading the line on his own - and it's not his fault that Arsenal no longer have an Henry or RvP (a star no.1 striker). On current evidence, he certainly belongs at this level, even if he may not go on to have a stellar career. More importantly, he should NOT be compared to the likes of Chamakh or Gervinho (or Park Chu-Young) - his goalscoring record is much better than theirs AND he's scored goals consistently at three different French clubs. Unlike the aforementioned 'one season' wonders. At Istres (in the 3rd division of French football), Giroud scored 14 goals in 33 league games in a very average team. The following two seasons (2008-2010), while playing for unfashionable Tours in Ligue 2, his goal return was 38 in 69 games. He was also named Ligue 2's Player of the Year in 2009-2010. This led to a transfer to Montpellier in Ligue 1. In his first year at this next level, he totalled 14 goals in 43 games, helping Montpellier to their first cup final in 17 years, but bettered this in 2011-2012 by leading them to their first ever title. His goal tally of 39 goals in 86 games in his two seasons in the south of France is hardly shabby and he was also named to the Team of the Year. Interestingly, his peers during these years in French football included the likes of Papiss Cisse (with whom he shares a very similar career trajectory), Bafetimbi Gomis and Loic Remy - all of whom had poorer goalscoring records. Similarly, none of them can match his number of assists. Other players who've come late to the big time after knocking around the lower leagues in Europe? Didier Drogba and Demba Ba. It also means he's likely to appreciate his success, unlike so many of the overpaid Arsenal youngsters who've flattered to deceive (Jay Emmanuel-Thomas anyone?), and who knows if he's yet reached his peak. He's only 26 - younger than Cisse, Ba, Podolski, Chamakh, Remy, Gomis, Dzeko and others! But for me, what I like best, is that not only is he a trier - he is also a leader. And he's not scared to take responsibility, which augurs well for the future. Did anyone else notice how much of an impact he had when he came on during the Reading League Cup game? He stood out as a man among boys. Okay, he's never gonna be a world beater, but let's not forget that he led Montpellier to their first-ever title while being chased all the way by moneybags PSG - which means he's not a bottler either. And I, for one, want more characters like that around my club.

  51. Laddy N

    Jan 07, 2013, 21:22 #30502

    After reading the reply saying how Giroud is a Stoke quality player, i must agree, Wengers last signings have been shocking. Peter Crouch would have offered more than Giroud, and been cheaper. Chris Samba would have been cheaper, and better for us than Mertesaker, and Kenny Sansom would have been better than the bloke called Santos. That Park bloke we never saw, Chamakh after a good start to his Arsenal career disapeared, remember we waited a year to get this bloke for nothing, so we had plenty of time to actually see if he was any good. Gervino reminds me of a poor Glen Helder - yes he is that good. There are plenty more to add to the list, masked by a couple of good buys. Wenger has lost the knack and should have left 3 years ago, we are a club in decline. I hate it when people like John Barnes say things like,' but look what he has done for Arsenal !' Well thanks for the distant memories and goodby !

  52. allybear

    Jan 07, 2013, 21:09 #30501

    Giroud is adecent player&i think he will improve&get sharper with time. Obviously he cant be compared to RVP who is exceptional but he is history so lets move on. What we have now is a very average Arsenal,created by the genius that is Arsene Wenger.

  53. CanadaGooner

    Jan 07, 2013, 20:44 #30500

    Robert, our main problem as always is defence and a tough midfield (with a spine). If Steve Bould knew Wenger won't allow him to work his magic (if Steve indeed has any magic in him) why did he take the job? One can only assume Steve is responsible for our defending; in which case, we have turned out worse this season than the last. I think Giroud is good enough to score double digits each season and he needs to be played regularly so he can get a string of games together. See what RVP has become with regularity. I think the current squad has more than enough in there to do well in terms of attacking football. The problem is their insecurity in knowing that almost any team (Bradford inclusive!) can score against us without much effort; now that is a big problem for any team aspiring to challenge for trophies

  54. Theo Jensen

    Jan 07, 2013, 19:49 #30495

    Correct me if I'm wrong somebody but hasn't he only scored two goals so far that weren't from crosses? A chip against lowly Coventry and a near-post strike against a tired Newcastle. I say give foreign league players a year generally but it genuinely would have been better to play Chamakh and here's why: Chamakh came in 2010 from to what was then the strongest league in the world from the fifth strongest, and made an instant impact. He was heaped with praise from Arsenal supporters, and shares the record for goals scored in consecutive games in the Champions League (five). Who's to say he wouldn't have been even better after a year of adaption? Obviously it was right to replace him with RvP when fit, but that was the reason his confidence and thereby form collapsed, he even stated so publicly. I say this because that £13m could have gone on, for example, someone quality like Baines, or have bought Ba AND Dempsey/Mirallas!! The biggest problem with Giroud is his complete lack of pace- our attack is so anaemic already, but then we have declined from title contenders in the strongest league to 4th place contenders in the fourth strongest league (based on the UEFA coefficients...) so maybe it's not he who is the real problem here.

  55. Peter Wain

    Jan 07, 2013, 19:40 #30494

    Giroud is a good player but as many have said on here he is not and never will be world class. If you charge the highest prices in football you have to have world class players and all we do is sell world class players and buy third rate guys like Gervinho. Giroud cannot become world class because he lacks pace and Wenger should have seen that if he watched him. If Walcott goes we have no pace up front. The lack of the speed of passing in midfield is now an issue and we will lose all the games we play against the top sides if we do not rectify this.

  56. billthered

    Jan 07, 2013, 19:31 #30493

    We cant have a go at Giroud cause he does put a shift in,but he is no RVP and that is not his fault,just as Arteta is no PV4 Vermaelen no TA6 do you want me to go on.

  57. nilz21

    Jan 07, 2013, 18:04 #30489

    RVP the bad guy ?? foold he left because the club proved they had no ambition in the long run and could'nt pay him the wages he deserved !!! FFS he was top scorer in the league last season, players player of the year and writers player of the year. He's 28 !!! you blame him for wanting to leave a club that's all about winning tropies and success, after speding 8 years at our club and winning F all !! We should have kept him IF we had any ambition !! not sell him to your rivals in the league , who i might add are now likely to win the league due to HIS goals !!! that was the day our club died. Pathetic Gazidiz spin monkeys then turn on RVP like he's the bad guy...wake UP !! O RVP stay at our club full of weak players that no other clubs in europe want ! why do you think players are going on loan because they are overpaid and rubbish. Bendtner , squallaci , djourou , arshavin , denilson ,and chamakh !! Straight away any person who knows anything about football can tell giroud yes is a ok player .. but hes not the player that will win you the league or any trophies. Players like that are RVP , Falcao , Aguero , Tevez WORLD CLASS PLAYERS that cost money !!!! . Giroud played one season in the crap french plague and was top scorer that's it. FFS gervinho scored 15 goals in that pony league and look at him now. Chamakh scored more goals at this stage in his career then giroud ..and look at him now. keep dreaming and lashing out at players who served our once great club well and the media , and next legends and the whole world like wenger... rather then the real people who are to blame for the death of our club Kronke , Grazdis and Wenger himself . Wenger 's is guilty for towing the line and keeping his mouth shut whilst the americans have raped destroyed our club. He kept his mouth shut because they throw 7.5 million in wages at him. And for that he's just as guilty.

  58. Gooner age

    Jan 07, 2013, 17:56 #30488

    Nice to have an article about something other than the manager. Would like to say to a lot of people having a go at theo and giroud that now and then strikers will misses chances, Henry did, anelka did (lots) and even RVP misses more than his fair share. Think giroud gives us serious ariel threat, runs near post to make the most of the crosses we do get in and most importantly can win the ball an hold it up when it's pumped forward which it vital to relieving pressure on the defence. In fairness to those critics I'll admit he hasn't shown the 'world class' form it took RVP 8 years on the premiership to find and he might never produce the sublime finishes, but there's plenty in his play that show's he can 20-30 much simpilar goals on a season which is all that counts!! Liked the lob against sunderland shows the lads got balls which means when he gets dropped when he's in form for no particular reason, unlike chemaq, he'll come back still backing himself. Also think his potential partnership with Walcott is exiting if the manager gives them a chance to play together up front.

  59. mahobhojohnfisher

    Jan 07, 2013, 16:49 #30484

    Assez deja! u sound like a very jealous and bitter person. I agree with JJ, thanx for that response man. I also agree with some of your sediments though of this crazy french guy. He doesnt match the skills of RVP, but he is still a good footballer, his work ethic is amazing and give the guy time. And all yo talk of RVP, sickens me, he wanted to leave the club, so wat did u want Wenger to do??? force him...u are crazy....u mention the missed out signings of Michu...yes.....i bet you have many missed opportunities in yo life to....thats life...u win some u lose some....Wenegr went with his feeling...the same feeling that brought Henry etc when they were still garbage....now why didnt you mention that too??? because u are a sore loser thats why....Wenger as long as he is still manager makes such choices...as human as here is, he will make mistakes too! tell me a coach who didnt buy a reject and regretted, even Fergie has Nani and Mancini has loads of those. U saying saying goals but he has been scoring goals hasnt he?? his rate will improve with time, I suggest u become a Utd fan and support RVP, because all this RVP talks helps no one here , the cun* chose to leave on his own

  60. Precision flicks that are straight out of the Chapman manual

    Jan 07, 2013, 16:47 #30483

    I agree that Giroud's qualities will come good in the long run. He's a million miles from a like for like replacement for RVP. We've missed this type of player ie. someone who will attack balls played across the face of goal and connect with headers, but I also feel we need another striking option to vary our attacks. Wenger must realise the attacking options are minus atleast one player to make a set. His flick to Gibbs was pure Chapman. As was his flick to Podolski for his lethal volley. Oh wait.

  61. JJ

    Jan 07, 2013, 16:03 #30480

    @Assez deja - I severely question your knowledge of French football based on your post! You call Giroud a giraffe and cite him as being good in the air, well you should know (being a fanatic) that only 2 of his goals last season for Montpellier were headers! His prowess in the air is a bit of a fallacy! Your words on retaining RvP show a complete lack of reality and understanding of any football! It may sound good to keep a business asset in the reserves for another season, and then let him go for nothing, but when a player has there head turned, they have to go....simple as that! If you don’t understand why then what are you doing positing on a football blog site? Giroud is not a technically deficient oaf like you seem insist he is, he seems to be good enough for the France national team (although i agree that doesn’t mean a lot these days). We know he isn’t an RvP type, more of a traditional BRITISH CF, but we have seen enough of him to know that he will do well at Arsenal and the reality is he is a very decent no 2 striker, and it’s not his fault he is the no 1 with only half a season under his belt. Some Arsenal fans (not most on here sadly) know enough about football to know that you don’t judge a new signing after half a season! Thing about the prem league is that you can have the best talent in the world, but if you don’t have character and the right attitude to go with it, it means nothing! Which is why players like Grnat Holt can score 14 goals in a season, and Giroud is so much better than Holt. I find it amusing that your take so much enjoyment from deriding your compatriot who has wanted to improve himself by joining the best league in the world……better than going backwards in an inferior league.

  62. nilz21

    Jan 07, 2013, 15:32 #30479

    So far he's shown one thing ...he's ok BUT not world class lik e RVP ..where will that get us in long run ...nowhere

  63. Assez deja!

    Jan 07, 2013, 15:23 #30478

    Hi. I am a French football fanatic and follow OM. Sorry but disagree 100% with your assessment: Giroud is shocking. He is Stoke level, not Arsenal level. Proving he 'has something about him' because of late goals v Fulham and Barcodes (2 relegation teams) is ridiculous. Chamakh had more goals than him at the same stage in his first season remember please. Giroud is technically deficient. He simply isn't an Arsenal player, he is a Stoke one. If 'Giraffe' is quality (I call him this because like a giraffe, good in the air, rubbish with feet) then so is Jonathan Walters. There are hundreds of strikers who would score a couple v Fulham and Necastle, given the chances an average Arsenal striker gets. Walters would do it, Ameobi of Newcastle would do it, Ba (who cost £6 mil less, Arsene Knows) would. RVP is the class of striker Arsenal need and it is completely UNACCEPTABLE that he was sold to ManYoo. 100% Wenger's fault. The choice was: -get RVP to sign up when he had 2 years left - if he refuses, se how he likes the reserves for 2 years - sell him to where WE decide - let him run the contract down However, we somehow allowed Walcott to enter the final year of his deal, but RVP was sold because cash is king at Wenger FC. Disgusting. Giroud has a shocking first touch, and for a team that won things with PACE is laughably slow. Milk turns quicker. Little to no technical ability on the deck (home to WBA, he had ONE SHOT ALL GAME, and attempted just 4 passes with a pass completion of 58%. That is just hilariously bad. What was he doing all game then?)... Giroud is not, and never will be, Arsenal standard. In fact Arsene's beloved French league is littered with rubbish players and mediocrity. One last point. Isn't it funny how Wenger claims he wouldn't sign Michu as 'he failed everywhere before' and 'Laudrup had inside ocntacts in Spain'. Weird. Giroud was at Grenoble, failed there and was so rubbish he was loaned out to Istres - Istres also refused the option to buy. Then he was bombed out to Tours where a bit better, but still mediocre and Tours let him join Montpellier. As soon as he got there, he was loaned out to Tours! He finally had a very decent season in Ligue 1 (please remember this is the same league where GERVINHO was a star LMAO)...and somehow, the 'Genius' in charge at Arsenal thought it'd be a good idea to waste £13 mil on this carthorse, when Demba Ba cost £7, Michu cost 2 mil and players like Jelavic cost 7 mil! Wenger is a know-nothing incompetent in the transfer market and the worst thing that could happen would be to give this clown MORE money to spend in Jan. As if new contracts for Ramsey, Jenkinson and Gibbs weren't ridiculous enough! From RVP to Giraffe.

  64. The Fonz

    Jan 07, 2013, 15:12 #30477

    So you like Giroud then? Most of us do, whats the point of this article other than spell out the bleedin obvious...? No stats included, no analysis of his previous season in France then? Of course not.....that would require some actual work being invested

  65. Paul

    Jan 07, 2013, 15:06 #30476

    Would Arsenal's number 1 striker be good enough to be Man Utd's 4th striker?No.Move on