The Curse of the Shattered Limbs

Have roughhouse tactics changed Arsenal’s destiny?



The Curse of the Shattered Limbs

Dan Smith: It all started back in 2006


What have Abou Diaby, Eduardo, Aaron Ramsey and Bacary Sagna got in common? Not a difficult trivia question with which to start the New Year, but an important one - and a question with two answers. The obvious one is that they are Arsenal players who have suffered broken legs but, beyond that, it might be fair to say that, as their limbs shattered, so did their Arsenal careers. The curse of the broken leg has been visited upon us with horrific regularity - and it has caused a lot more upheaval and heartbreak than serious injuries usually do.

I am not a conspiracy theorist, and I usually find about 90% of football gossip and rumours unreliable and inaccurate. But the catalogue of leg-breaks at Arsenal has had a massive effect on the club. It is worth looking at the particular circumstances of each injury to recall just how significant it might have been.

Diaby's leg-break came at the end of his first half-season with us in 2006. The tackle by Dan Smith of Sunderland infuriated those who saw it and is highly likely to have been the genesis of the constant injury problems that Diaby has suffered since that time. His fitness, or lack of it, is something of a sick and very sad joke among supporters, but I think the lad deserves considerable sympathy following that cataclysmic challenge at the Stadium of Light in May, 2006.

The traumatic maiming of Eduardo derailed not just our season but also the career of a goalscorer who showed every indication of having special striking talent. His partnership with Adebayor had looked awesome prior to the injury. Check out their performance against Manchester City at the Etihad a few weeks before his injury for evidence of that. His emotional return to the team suggested that he still retained great finishing prowess but had lost that essential sharpness that great strikers have. While he retains the ability to score against us, his subsequent sojourn at Shakhtar Donetsk seems to be another anti-climactic chapter in his career. It was a truly lovely moment when he scored against us in the Champions League a couple of seasons ago. It was the loudest roar I have ever heard at Arsenal for an opponent's goal! It indicated just how popular Eduardo was and how his battle following the Birmingham disaster had captured the hearts of the Arsenal faithful.

Aaron Ramsey suffered a very similar fate at Mordor (aka The Britannia) when Ryan Shawcross broke his leg in an eerie rerun of the moment when Martin Taylor visited similar damage upon Eduardo. Stoke are the Orcs of the Premier League, and that moment underlined just how foul is their brand of football, urged on by baying Neanderthals. For poor Aaron, it was a real watershed in his career. I was thrilled by his steady early progress. In a Carling Cup tie against Wigan, he had given a virtuoso midfield performance that suggested he would be a star of the future. His rise was steady and, backed by a sensible temperament, it was easy to see him establishing himself as a midfield great. Then came the double-footed assault by Shawcross and the consequent shattering of a leg and possibly a career.

Wenger often alienates me with some of his comments but, on this occasion, it was very clear that he was deeply upset that over-physical sides had targeted his players and he implored referees to provide greater protection for his team. He pointed out that there could be no coincidence that these incidents occurred as ex-pros suggested Arsenal could be "bullied". There is a very large dividing line between bullying and the sort of horrific challenges these three players were subjected to.

Since his return, it grieves me to say that I have seen very few signs of the exciting Aaron Ramsey that filled us so full of optimism after his signing from Cardiff. He is about 25% less effective and his attitude is admirable, but he does not change games anymore and, despite the faith shown by Wenger in extending his contract, I doubt that we will see the old Aaron Ramsey again. How keen I am that in a few years time this prediction is rammed down my doubting throat!

The latest sufferer from the curse of the shattered limb is Bacary Sagna. Twice last season - at Tottenham in October, and at home against Norwich in May - Bacary broke his leg. There was no blame attached to the Tottenham challenge, although some observers thought Bradley Johnson of Norwich was lucky to escape censure for his part in Bac's injury. Perhaps the decline in Sagna's form is the most alarming. Suddenly the most dependable of full-backs has become the defensive equivalent of Gervinho. The more cynical see this as an indication of his angling for a move away or a much fatter contract, but this Sagna is not worth any sort of new contract, as he helped to make the decidedly-ordinary Gabriel Obertan look like George Best and possibly played one of the worst games by an Arsenal full-back in living memory at Southampton. And this from a man who has probably been close to the best right-back in Europe in recent seasons.

So what can be drawn from this gallery of misfortune? Possibly several inferences, and I will begin with the most controversial deliberately.

In these days of much improved rehab and medical back-up are we really sure that we have the best team in place at Arsenal? There are many doubts about our injury-record and our ability to heal the serially unfit, but surely in this day and age a broken leg should not lead to such a serious drop-off in performance? In Diaby's case, there is no suggestion that he has not recovered his form - merely that he is unable to withstand the rigours of regular Premier League football. As for the others, real questions must be asked.

But is this unfair, and does it show an ignorance of the psychological impact of serious injury? Eduardo received huge emotional support after he nearly lost his leg, but Ramsey was not afforded the same patience, and neither is Sagna at present. Is it possible to recover fully from a broken leg given the physicality and intensity of the Premier League? What part do fans play in rehabilitating the seriously injured and how tolerant should we be of those attempting to rebuild their careers? How much emotional slack do you cut people earning £50,000 a week? Many of us suffer injuries or stress related to our occupations but are expected to sort this out ourselves as part of normal life experience.

Perhaps the biggest question of all is whether Arsenal have to any extent been targeted by coaches and players who feel the best way to compete with them is to cross the borderline between committed pressing and trying to kick us out of games. Hard to believe in this sanitised atmosphere of no-tackling that we have seen five broken legs in six years, and difficult to decide just how much this rough treatment has had a detrimental effect on the club.

To lose four major players and to see their impact and quality subsequently diminish is very difficult for any club. Perhaps it is superstitious nonsense to speak of "curses" but it is far from nonsensical to suggest that, in an attempt to derail Arsenal by kicking them out of games, the future of the club has been significantly altered.


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  1. JA

    Jan 12, 2013, 23:42 #30723

    Great piece, shawcross deserves his own broken leg. Shocking player rewarded for awful brutality. **** manager who looks like a twat also.

  2. chris

    Jan 11, 2013, 15:01 #30711

    Nasri upped his game after he broke his leg ina preseason friendly

  3. AugustusCaesar

    Jan 09, 2013, 23:47 #30620

    Interesting, thoughtful article with plenty of truths and a bit of misplaced sentimentality too I think. Taking the particular cases I think it's fair to say Eduardo and Ramsey have been affected by their injuries. Perhaps mentally but most certainly physically. Whereas Ramsey was once sharp and nimble he is comparitively lumbering now. A real shame. I don't that rough house tactics and the mental scarring of broken legs are a significant reason why we are currently not doing quite as well as we'd all hope. Certainly not at the moment. The game is much cleaner, more tactical now. In the years when we became a highly technical team in Wenger's initial years we had the characters (Vieira, Petit, Bergkamp, Keown) to deal with whatever targeting we recieved. Indeed, we gave as good as we got. But there was probably a short-lived era (between 2006 and 2010 say?) where I would definitely say we were undermined by a combination of intimidation through aggressive or overly forceful tackling and having players that didn't quite have the stomach for a fight.

  4. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 09, 2013, 23:38 #30619

    Rocky RIP, i'd much rather he blanked them than trot out the same old tired post match interviews he's been doing for god knows how long, who i'm sure anyone of us on here would make a very good attempt at guessing what exactly he's going to say and what his excuses would/will be.I agree whiskey nose is a bully and they're scared of him and good at manipulating, and those that are afraid of him should be ashamed of themselves and have more self respect.I doubt if he'd have the same power if he hadn't all those titles,cups,cl,success behind him but success brings power and vice versa .There was a time when wenger was well on his way to having the same success and power and have everybody jumping through hoops for him, and old red nose was fully aware of that fact and i'm sure would have had the same respect (if you want to call it that)from pundits,(lineker)interviewers,journos,and indeed fellow managers, hence the bully boy tactics in games already mentioned by other posters on here not to mention all the mind games something he hasn't done for years now,(to wenger anyway) and we all know why.Unfortunately as we know that wasn't to be and never likely to be.

  5. Mandy Dodd

    Jan 09, 2013, 22:45 #30618

    Ah, yes , our arch critic Marwood.....he was recently toutingfor a job as our DOF now he has been marginalised at Citeh....all I can say is good luck Brian...

  6. Sympathy

    Jan 09, 2013, 21:24 #30616

    its arsenal of today all over.... lets feel sorry for ourselves. a theme constantly chirped on about by our manager would fergy be thinking like this ? unlikely mate

  7. Rocky RIP

    Jan 09, 2013, 17:21 #30610

    @Maguiresbridge - when you say 'using the media' what do you mean? Blanking them for several years as whiskey nose did with the BBC? Manipulating them? The man was also caught on camera calling for a journalist to be banned for asking 'the wrong type of question'. They are sh*t scared of him. The man's a bully. You may claim AW abuses refs, but they do not fear making a mistake with Wenger's sides like they do with AF. Incurring the wrath of whiskey nose is more than their jobsworth. They'll probably get de-selected from reffing another Man U game for a while by Riley as Jeff Winter and Martin Atkinson (11 months) were when they dared to give decisions against Ferguson's sides. We may tire of Arsene's repetitive 'lacked a little bit sharpness','handbrake on' interviews, but atleast he never fails to face them and talk to them. And considering some of the cr*p they've thrown at him and disrespect in some of the questions, this shows unbelievable dignity. I sometimes just wish he'd tell them to f off! Or is that what you mean? You'd rather he didn't bother talking to them? Also, does anyone remember how SKY used to choose their pundits for games to highlight how 'Arsenal don't like it up 'em in the North West'. We'd get Arsenal grudge-bearing Marwood every time bemoaning our lack of steel as some Blackburn neandathal clattered one of ours. He even criticised Diaby for being a bit soft and making a meal of it after the Sunderland challege. Incredible.

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 09, 2013, 15:44 #30607

    Jed i think you'll find there's no lovers of fergie on this site(certainly not this contributor) when ever i come across his name being mentioned it's as a reference as his record speaks for itself.Maybe if wenger would have copied fergies style now and again we might have won something in the last eight years and counting.You're dead right fergie will never be in wengers class fergies a winner.Intimidation ? i guess you've forgotten when arsenal used to win games in the tunnel(under wenger)with their presence alone before they even went onto the pitch,where they weren't afraid to get stuck in themselves,(and if we had a few more of them in the team now maybe we wouldn't be such a pushover) but maybe your to young to remember that.There's two or three managers at the top of the tree in the prem for abusing officials and constant whining and wenger is one of them.As for using the media why not ? It would be better than storming off in a huff in front of the cameras with a bruised ego when asked an awkward question and talking the same old rubbish and spin over and over again.If the mancs have only a few flair players it's a few more than we have.When was the last time we won anything playing fair and with flair ? It was a long long time ago.

  9. Mandy Dodd

    Jan 09, 2013, 14:08 #30604

    Think we have had some players who have lacked so called spine Tony, but think the vast majority of the current crop more lacking in familiarity, experiece, and confidence in some cases rather than bottle, or a work ethic. The team back then, it was relatively easy for them, a much vaunted, successful team in an essentially two horse race,world cup winners about the place. We all miss that, but my point, the current crop have alot to cope with. Think we have been getting an overall better deal with the refsthis season...for the most part, but from experience in recent years, if we signed a player likesay Fellaini,Idoubtif wecouldkeep him on the pitch

  10. Rocky RIP

    Jan 09, 2013, 13:57 #30603

    @Tony - fair enough. We do need to grow a pair sometimes. @Ashley - I agree with the infuriating inability to clear the ball from Clichy. We've seen that a number of times from him. Pointless lapses in the last 5 mins. Sunderland away, Sp*rs at home, falling over the ball. He did it for Citeh to concede v Yanited when RVP scored the free kick. Weak in the wall from Na$ri. It's like Citeh had inherited our frailties, which they are most welcome to. And yes, NOT a penalty at Birmingham (which is hardly his fault.)

  11. Gary

    Jan 09, 2013, 12:34 #30600

    @CanadaGooner of course Wenger is a better manger than AVB Luadrup and Martinez over his whole Arsenal career.But he aint as good as Sir Alex, Mourinho and Guardiaola.Its all relative.Thats who you should be comparing Wenger to.Comeback when he wins more than one CL

  12. Ashley

    Jan 09, 2013, 12:21 #30598

    @Rocky RIP, there's no question that the Eduardo injury did derail our momentum somewhat, but the main reason we didn't win that game at Birmingham was that Clichy failed to clear the ball into the stand when he should of done and gave away a last minute penalty. A lapse of concentration at a vital time as he was beaten to the ball and never should have been. This error was made worse by the fact that it wasn't even a penalty as Clichy actually got the ball before the man in the challenge. With regards to being 5 points clear with 12 to play we should of won the league, finishing 4 points behind Man United and just 2 behind Chelsea, both of whom contested the Champions League final that season. In addition to those two dropped points at Birmingham, poor results at home to Birmingham, Aston Villa and Middlesbrough(all 1-1 draws), cost us dearly in the end.

  13. Tony Evans

    Jan 09, 2013, 12:14 #30596

    Rocky RIP - I wasn't defending Manure and I agree with Mandy's comment. I was merely highlighting the difference between then and now as far as Arsenal are concerned - no leaders and no backbone to the side at all.

  14. Joe S.

    Jan 09, 2013, 12:12 #30595

    I don't buy the Ramsey was destroyed by Shawcross arguement. Even before the leg break I was wondering about what type of player Ramsey would become.At Cardiff during their marvellous FA Cup run it was more about the potential than the finished product.If he was a kid with a bright future then it was going to be as a Bryan Robson, Roy Keane or Steven Gerrard type, a hard tackling dynamo of a player. He never had the silky skills to compare with Fabergrasse or the other European masters.Oviously he is neither one nor the other so it is difficult to not feel pessimistic about what sort of contribution he can make at Arsenal. There is hope that a different manager will know how to use him more effectively but I don't believe Arsenal is the club for him.

  15. Jamie

    Jan 09, 2013, 10:52 #30590

    @exiled&dangerous It's a bit difficult to kick back when you've got a broken leg.

  16. Rocky RIP

    Jan 09, 2013, 10:39 #30589

    @Tony Evans - ofcourse we all want Arsenal sides with a bit more backbone. However, the game Mandy refers to where Man U set about kicking us to ribbons was in 2004 - we had some plenty of backbone, plus big physical men with players like Vieira and Campbell. The point is the bent Mike Riley stood by and allowed Man U to get away with it without giving out yellow cards. Cole made a nothing tackle and was booked in an instant. Mike Riley cost us that unbeaten run. Fact. As Mandy says, watch it on youtube and study it closely. Riley is now the man Taggart calls if he wants a ref 'de-selected'. It stinks.

  17. Red Mist

    Jan 09, 2013, 10:27 #30588

    Its the new thug we have to contend with that is most worrying! erm the BALL, after seeing Arteta and Wilshere both doing a Nasri these last couple of weeks how do we deal with this new enemy? Never thought i'd see anything more embarrassing than Eboue throwing himself around now we have players diving away from the ball week in week out!! what happened to this game.

  18. Tony Evans

    Jan 09, 2013, 8:23 #30585

    Mandy - no fan would advocate wanting Arsenal to resort to 'kick 'em off the park' type of football but I do want to see an Arsenal team with some backbone and bottle about them and that is where most of us on this site and Wenger appear to differ.

  19. Mandy Dodd

    Jan 09, 2013, 0:48 #30580

    We have certainly been targeted. When they were on a level playing field, the much loved on here sir fergie had to resort to kicking the invincibles off the park, if you are so rose tinted as not to believe me, just look it up on u tube, and witness the ever so compliant ref. fergie started this arsenal don't like it up em stuff, three shattered legs later.......arsenal may be the victims, but so is English football. You may not care, but while there is a shawcross, England will win FA

  20. Sceptre

    Jan 09, 2013, 0:08 #30579

    I see UEFA allow players who have played in less than 10% of their teams games per that season can terminate their contracts. Does that apply to Diaby? If so, I'd only feel a bit sorry for him if he did so and then signed a pay-as-you-play one personally.

  21. HowardL

    Jan 08, 2013, 23:39 #30578

    Peter - I couldn't agree more with your article. I'm so pleased you wrote it as it lays many ghosts. It reflects what I've thought since then and is a major reason for the trophy drought. As some here have pointed out - the thugs don't need to bully us quite so much now as we're not that much of a threat. I thought at the time that Eddie's catastrophic injury destroyed something at Arsenal Football Club and I see no reason to change that view. Poor Eduardo - poor Arsenal - he was our Plan B.

  22. Jed

    Jan 08, 2013, 23:23 #30577

    Great article,what really gets to me are the lovers of Ferguson and his style of management you get on this site.To me despite what he has won he will never be in the class of Wenger as his style is all about intimidation,verbally abusing the officials and persistant fouling of anybody better than them.Using the media to his advantage and being the only big club in Europe to still be playing like Stoke with a few flairs.We are Arsenal and we win by playing fair and with flair.

  23. Joe

    Jan 08, 2013, 23:18 #30576

    If Wenger was a proper manager and not with his head in the clouds all the time he would have had adequate replacements for these injured players. Fergie has gone for sometime long periods of seasons without Vidic, Rooney, Rio, Ronaldo etc etc and they never collapse late in the season (now an Arsenal trademark)and finds ways to keep winning. When has anyone ever said "Man U would have won the title if so-n-so hadn't got hurt?" Never

  24. Stevesam

    Jan 08, 2013, 22:48 #30574

    @tpm – Diaby was never a top player, always lacked bottle and mental strength. Did he ever use his physical size to our advantage ? I cannot remember Diaby winning many headers at set plays. My two favourite Diaby appearances – Newcastle, we are 4 – 0 up, just after half time Djorou goes off injured, soon after Diaby lets Joey Barton wind him up and gets sent off. We give away a four goal lead. Not all Diaby’s fault but he must take some of the blame, the idiot. My other favourite, the classic o.g. at OT, he rose unmarked in the box and sent an unstoppable header into the top corner of the goal, superb ! He is another in the comfort zone and probably prefers sitting at home watching the t.v. wearing his Spud shirt, and counting his £60k a week.

  25. lee afc

    Jan 08, 2013, 22:20 #30572

    nice peice Peter....Taking a look at the bits and bobs of the Wenger era that the main fans take for granted...unfortunately, online gooner has turned into an anti wenger show. The Diady, Eduardo, Ramsey and Sagna leg breaks has afffected our outcome towards performances this year, last year, the year before and so on. Far too many so called fans and computer literate people can easily criticise the manager, the board, the prices, the signings, the results, the stats, the..this, the..that. Unfortunately, it not terrace talk anymore but hiding behind the screen that offers a protection towards escapism...many, many gooner posts over the last several months have been nothing but dire. We have to appreciate that we have players like Giroud, Podolski, Cazorla AND Arshavin, Gervinho, Santos. The situation will not change overnight and beating Spurs twice 5-2 in a year but Bradford, Milan, etc will follow suit. The manager aint moving, neither the board, so take it or leave it for a while. I'm in for the long winding road but its too easy to be critical....no that should have been far, far, far too easy.

  26. LJB

    Jan 08, 2013, 21:40 #30571

    Diaby and Ramsey the best 19 yr olds in Europe?Utter,utter tripe.With regards to Diaby,Auxerre sold him because he was permenantly injured,FACT.Wenger said a couple of months ago that Diaby has been sent to specialists all over the world to get to the bottom of his constant injuries.They discovered that he has a genetic condition where his muscles shed fibres during exercise and these are not reabsorbed quickly enough by the body making him prone to injuries.Therefore he is always going to get muscular injuries,which have kept him out far longer than the disgusting Smith tackle ever did over the course of his career.Interestingly,Demba Ba's so called dodgy knee stems from a double leg break(tibia and fibia) which led to a surgeon butchering a knee op during the treatment of this injury.He has since had a clean up op,but his knee is supposed to be like dust inside.However,this has NOT affected his playing ability one iota,despite being in constant pain.Ramsey is just a poor player,full stop,and Sagna ,despite being one of Arsenals more consistent performers over the past few seasons,lacks the offensive capabilities to be regarded as a truly great full back.

  27. MarkH

    Jan 08, 2013, 21:37 #30570

    Canada Gooner- Viera was a brilliant, skillful footballer. To compare him to the thugs mentioned in the article is an insult to him. He and even Peter Storey, were never part of any Arsenal team that set out to kick another team in to submission. As mentioned above even the media darlings Manure did that under direct orders of Fergie.He looked after himself ,and his team mates when necessary.He will long be remembered in the wider football world,after those thugs have been long forgotten.

  28. Rocky RIP

    Jan 08, 2013, 21:33 #30568

    @PPP - spot on. Vieira seemed to get the opposite of special dispensation. do you remember the FA invented a ban for him not leaving the pitch long enough? Has that rule been applied since? And how the media revelled in Wenger's disciplinary record? The irony is we were so much more sinned against than sinning. That's what makes it so enjoyable sticking two fingers up to people. So when our own fans turn on the team/manager, it's like the media have won. @tpm - we'll have to agree to differ as we'll never know what might have been. All I know is I was tracking Eduardo's steady rise and longing for him to hit top form. 12 goals by Feb is 'okay'. I genuinely believe he was hitting electric form. He's found his groove. We were 5 points clear at the top with 12 to play going into that Birmingham game. There's no disputing it derailed us.

  29. tpm

    Jan 08, 2013, 20:44 #30566

    @rockyrip, sorry no, to compare him to the way henry broke thru is a huge disservice to the great man. again he was doing ok. scored a couple of 'vela' goals aginst weak opposition in a cup, but looked nothing more than decent. i think his record up to the injury would back that up. diaby on the other hand, could have been immense had that sunderland scum bag not done him in. apart from the subsequent injuries that ankle break caused, had he not been injured at such a crucial stage of his development he would have gained the football brain and decsion making skills he often lacks these days when he does make the odd appearnce.

  30. CanadaGooner

    Jan 08, 2013, 20:16 #30565

    Peter, I've always liked your articles mate, but seriously! same as someone named 'Mark' on a previous post said Laudraup, AVB and Martinez are better managers than Wenger! ha ha. Come on people, a bit of respect and commonsense here please. AVB will never be as good as Wenger in a million years (even on Wenger's worst day). We say we want progress ar Arsenal; to replace Wenger with any of those unproven, half-baked managers would be beyond stupid! the only managers I see out there who could be an improvement on Wenger are Pep Guardiola (the players will respect him), another random like Wenger himself was when he arrived, or an ex-arsenal player. As for the issue of impact of rough footie on arsenal, nobody was complaining when Viera was racking up the red cards and we were winning trophies because we had a gutsy team! football consistently evolves and big clubs like arsenal cant be caught napping (if and when they do, winning becomes a chore like it has been for arsenal for 7 years now!)

  31. Paul

    Jan 08, 2013, 18:55 #30564

    Kieron Dyers contract cancelled after he has played 8 games in the last 18 months.Thats MORE than Diaby!!!! Diaby's contract should have been torn up 3 years ago.Ask your employer would he still employ you if you turned up for work 5 days in the last 2 years

  32. exiled&dangerous

    Jan 08, 2013, 18:43 #30563

    We've all played Sunday League....... what do you do when you're getting kicked off the park? You get stuck in and kick back, don't you? Only saying..... you know...

  33. ppp

    Jan 08, 2013, 18:37 #30562

    There is clearly an attitude amongst the officials that Arsenal somehow deserve to get kicked and if you play for Stoke or Man United then you're going to get at least four or five free whacks at an Arsenal player - but watch out if you play for Arsenal because your first mistimed challenge will see you in the book. It's ingrained into the Football media that Arsenal don't like it up em these days so kicking and punching is apparetnly a legitimate tactic to play against us - and hey, what do we expect when we're a load of prancing southerners?? Gooners cry out for a hardman in midfield but if we got one just watch the ref's red card him while animals like Tottenham's Sandro are applauded for persistant premeditated fouling. You only have to go back to players like Vieira - he was villified and demonised by the press just for being a tough guy. Look at the hundreds of articles written about Ian Wright, how he was out of control and couldn't be trusted to play for England etc. Even the immaculate Henry was originally seen as a wildman by the pygmies obsessed with Wenger's disciplinary record. Arsenal are judged differently to other teams for whatever reason - it's why we can't possibly try to rebuild as a tough guys ensemble. We'd be run out of town by the braying mob.

  34. Rocky RIP

    Jan 08, 2013, 18:24 #30561

    @Peter Wain - very true. When we won the title at Old Trafford in 2002 their tactics were clear from the outset. Keane, Scholes, etc went steaming into us to try and upset us. Thankfully, for once we had a ref who wasn't standing for Whiskey nose's bully boy tactics - Durkin I believe? He produced early yellows to their players and they had to ease off. We obviously went on and won.

  35. Peter Wain

    Jan 08, 2013, 18:04 #30560

    The saddest thing is when we had a good team we were always kicked off the park by Man U. Of course nothing was said then about the physical nature of their approach. I remember the cup match at Old Trafford and in the first half Man U were as dirty as I have ever seen them. We got zero protection from the referee and Fergie split Beckham's eyebrow afterwards probably a demonstation of what his want his team to do to us. Fortunately in Keown Edu and Veira we had players who could look after themselves. Shame we do not have these players now.

  36. Alsace Lorraine De Totteridge

    Jan 08, 2013, 17:45 #30558

    I don't agree that Diaby is a joke. Whilst I am very liberal with my derogation of Mr Wenger, I regard the vast majority of players under him as victims. There is nothing wrong with Diaby that proper coaching could not have dealt with, assuming that the guy could be kept fit. He is brilliant at winning the ball and at keeping the ball through one and possibly two challenges. So unless your manager is a moron, he tells such a ball winner to win the ball and pass it. If the player is a bit thick, he tells him that every day in training. Unfortunately, our manager has become the sort of moron who thinks that Gervinho is a striker, and doubtless that trout live in trees and feed on custard tarts as well.

  37. David

    Jan 08, 2013, 17:09 #30557

    An excellent article Arsenal have been kicked off the park for far too long by over physical teams who know that they can get away with murder by the woefull referees who pander to Fergy and all the other direct play spoilers. Who I believe if their teams played in Spain would struggle to finish a game with nine men. Thanks to a well known pro Arsenal site the refereeing is getting slightly better with less chance of a leg breaker but things still need to improve. If it wasn't for Arsene Wenger's Arsenal and also Man City who played some great football last season although City did it by filthy lucre,the English game would be seen as a very limited lower class league by other European nations.I know this as an ex pat of Spain that Arsene Wenger and Arsenal are the most respected in Spain by some distance while Ferguson is viewed as being limited with long ball play and Mancini defensive who only achieve by finance.Arsenal have had it tough of late though I believe that Arsenal's footballing philosophy will see them through and Wenger will lead Arsenal once again to great things over the next decade and beyond.

  38. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jan 08, 2013, 16:29 #30553

    I do agree that teams targeted us for a while when we were a more effective team, but to say it's 'significantly altered' the future of the club looks like a distraction technique. I'd say it's more to do with the way football has changed, meaning Wenger's weaknesses now are brought to the fore rather than his strengths.

  39. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 08, 2013, 16:23 #30552

    Peter all the players you mention certainly deserve sympathy and still do, and got it for what they were subjected to at the hands of second rate hatchet men.But when do you stop having sympathy after three,four,five seasons how long do we give these players to get back on track get themselves right psychologically and get their form back.There has to come a time when you say sorry enough's enough thanks for everything but it's just not working,Diaby a good example Ramsey another ? I share your doubts about our medical team,none of us are experts i know, but it seems everytime a player is injured we never see them again for months and when we do it's still weeks and weeks before their fit to play a full part.And the way this team is being flogged at this moment and time it's just a matter of time before we see some of them disappear through the dreaded doors.

  40. Bard

    Jan 08, 2013, 15:45 #30549

    I agree these injuries are terrible but I don't see it as a 'get Arsenal'. The worry about the 'if only' is it feeds into the notion that we are hard done by( Wenger's view) and detracts from the chronic problems in the side over the last 7 years. We've lacked a keeper, a decent defense and are chronic bottlers. Nonne of those issues have been adressed adequately for years. A fit Eduardo, Diaby or Ramsey wouldn't have made the slightest difference. -

  41. chris dee

    Jan 08, 2013, 14:39 #30546

    Diaby the best 19 year old in Europe at the time until his ankle was decimated by by Dan Smith. Ramsey the best 19 year old in Europe at the time until his leg was shattered by a disgracefully reckless 'tackle' by Ryan Shawcross who his manager Tony Pulis told us in his defence that he loves his mother ,and also excused by his coach the obnoxious Gerry Francis. Eduardo an international class striker has his leg smashed by Martin Taylor who has instructions to 'get in their faces'. None of these players will ever get to fulfill their potential,and the common theme with all these injuries is that all the opposing managers were British who liked their players to 'get stuck in'.

  42. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Jan 08, 2013, 14:17 #30545

    When Wenger sold Vieria and then Gilberto other teams started to bully us in midfield. Wenger for some reason I still don't understand, started to buy smaller,trickier players.He then had to play three in midfield to counter the aggression we came up against.Three small players in midfield has been a catastophic move for us. Apart from one season when Cesc got in the box and scored lots of goals,we have never had enough players arriving in the box and we have rarely had enough width.Jack could certainly play in a midfield two as he's got bottle but he would need a big more defensive player alongside him.And we don't currently have one.If Wenger is ever to have any success again at Arsenal he will only do it by going back to two in midfield and putting players like Cazorla and The Ox out wide with the option of crossing or coming inside. Then we will get the best out of players like Walcott,Podolski and Giroud up front.

  43. Ron

    Jan 08, 2013, 14:09 #30544

    The Club allowed the injuries to disrupt the respective seasons no doubt. Im not sure why it was allowed to happen. The reality is that since 06 we have had a team full of lightweeight players and nobody amongst them who can 'mix it' with opponents cloggers. You need this in english football. Why? Beacue we have a coach who thinks you can bolt a Barca lite on to the EPL. In my view its a nice pipedream but unnachieavble. The mere presence of a hard man or two might, just might, have stopped the perpertrators of those tackles from doing it in the first place.(I attach no blame to the Tottenham player who was involved with Sagna - note). Its no coincidence that Wengers best team didnt get such injuries. He had his team packed with tough players then. On the Eduardo thing. Terrible tackle, but was he that good? Im not so sure. He d notched a few in the 5-6 games before Taylor did for him, but he wasnt ever gonna be Gerd Muller ressurected in truth. He was only playing as Wengers sqaud was running out of bodies by then and later Adebayor ran out of steam. I dont think we would have won the title in 08, even if that injury to Eddie hadnt happened. Gallas for me wrecked what thin hopes there were. A whinging French crybaby as Captain mirroring his boss's abilty to sulk and being allowed to get away with it. It was pathetic. The 'game 50' was a loss to a team that was 'supported ' by the ref. Ive often felt was Riley was bought and paid for before that game. We should have made that game become a 'war'. Yes, it may have become mayhem, we may still have lost, we may have took a couple of reds but so would have United. We could have altered that game by taking it to such a basic level of crudity by joining Utd that day and not moaning about them. The 6 months of sulig that Wenger engaged with and joined in with told me then he was a negative man with no ability to motivate. The roles reversed would have seen Ferguson whip his team into a frenzy of desire to go another 49 games unbeaten, not just sit there staring at their belly buttons like Wenger did at Arsenal. Arsenal have been targeted no doubt, by the Allardyces and Pulis s of this world, but i say it happened as we have sent teams out for years with neither the bottle, desire or willingness to stand together and fight and hack their way to equilibrium where required. A team needs a reputation as one that an opponnet shouldnt f--- with in England and had we have done it the words 'get in their faces' and 'bully them' wouldnt have entered the footballing vocabulary, not in context of Arsenal anyway. Just my view, but the lads of 1971 and 1998 must cringe watching us fold in the face of the modern day so called 'hard players'(what a joke as there are none in truth in todays pansified game)) who in my book are just donkeys in the main who can barely play football. Wengers ideals have much to answer for.

  44. northbank123

    Jan 08, 2013, 14:03 #30543

    I personally don't believe that we are roughed up to anything like the same extent anymore. Plenty of sides now realise that they can take points off us by implementing the right footballing tactics. Yes, teams like Stoke still rely on a direct approach and having 6'4 neanderthals throwing themselves at a grenade of a long throw. But it's nothing like the first game up there in 2008 when they kicked lumps out of us and engaged in some of the most disgusting conduct ever seen on a football pitch. It wasn't pure physicality that beat us at Valley Parade, or a dodgy pitch, it was tactical discipline and endeavour. Even United used to resort to trying to kick us off the park every year up there in the first 30 minutes when we were the better footballing side.

  45. Rocky RIP

    Jan 08, 2013, 13:25 #30542

    @tpm - I have to disagree. Eduardo was hitting great form and was approaching that stage we saw with Henry circa 2000 where he just burst through the pecking order of strikers. The kind of form RVP enjoyed where everything went right and they aquire a certain mojo. He was on an upward curve and was only going to get better and more lethal...and then was cut down in his prime. Heart-breaking.

  46. Gooner boy

    Jan 08, 2013, 13:20 #30540

    Diaby, Eduardo and Ramsey were all deliberate for sure. Sagna one - Ekottu nudged Sagna whilst in mid air causing him to fall on the leg in a uncomfortable way which broke it. Sagna 2 I didn't see as was on holiday for that game and couldn't find a place to watch it. So 3 of 5 were deliberate, 1 was a nasty barge in midair to cuase a rough landing and the 5th I have no idea about. personally our players are better people than I am. If one of those ****s had shattered my legs / ankle in that manner and my football career was derailed drastically I'd have had them killed if the law wasn't protecting me.

  47. Rocky RIP

    Jan 08, 2013, 12:49 #30539

    @Bob- ofcourse the the physical side of the game has changed dramatically and the fact that B.Talbot played all those games in 1980 always astonishes me. And the squad sizes! It may explain why a lot of pros from those days can barely walk now, they were sent out with injections and played through it. Refs were so much more lenient to rough house tactics back then. I guess it's a different kind of physicality. You look back and wonder how more injuries didn't occur back then with some lethal tackles flying in. Now a slightly mistimed challenge can be a career-threatening disaster. It doesn't quite make sense. A bit like how rugby is so much more physical, yet rarely sees players stretchered off.

  48. Tony Evans

    Jan 08, 2013, 12:38 #30537

    Peter - An interesting article which I enjoyed reading. I deplore the sort of cynical career threatening tackles we have witnessed against our players but why does Wenger never learn from it? Our current squad is still chock full of lightweights and we have been crying out for some real physical leaders like Adams, Keown or Viera for ages now. Wenger ignores the physical side of the game to the club's detriment and the mix of players that feature for Arsenal these days is all wrong. How Wenger has allowed the brilliant, winning mixture of physical and flair players we had in his early years to degenarate to this lot of gutless powder-puffs is beyond me and most others on this website too. The root of all our problems come down to this - or did until we started losing our best flair players too. Now as Ron said on a previous article we are just an average team with a manager that is completely out of touch and obsessed with playing pretty football with no backbone to back it up.

  49. tpm

    Jan 08, 2013, 12:32 #30536

    i would like to pick up on eduardo and what you have done. u are one of many who have significantly overplayed how effective he was before the injury. he did ok, nothing more, he wasnt showing signs of being outstanding. i guess its people looking back misty eyed and with sympathy/anger at what happened to him. sure he could have been good, but he showed nothing to suggest he would be anymore than just good. as for rambo i would say he is a game changer now...a negative game changer. shocking how he was givena new deal. we should have done an eduardo and cut our losses.

  50. Rocky RIP

    Jan 08, 2013, 11:46 #30532

    Spot on article. I agree with every word. I'm convinced we would have gone on to win the league in 2008 but for that pivotal Eduardo leg break. When we were at our peak in 2002-04, opponents realised that the only way to live with us was to do anything to derail our passing game - get in our faces. Play on the margins of the game. Foul rotation. Gary neville has admitted as such that even Man U knew they had to close us down and press us hard or we'd pass them out of the game. Hence, in 2004 on game 50 of an unbeaten run Man U resort to the tactics of the likes of Alladyce's Bolton and kicked us to ribbons, Reyes ankle and Cole's knee coming in for filthy treatment. And were allowed to by the DESPICABLE weasle Mike Riley. For me, this all started at Bolton away in 2003 when Alladyce's team set about us with some appalling tackles. We were 2-0 up, but had players taken off injured and drew 2-2 and blew the league. This set the blueprint of 'how to stop Arsenal.' It may not be as bad as it was, but that's certainly how other teams approached us. If Wenger complained, let's all laugh and call him Arsene Whinger. Hilarious.

  51. Bob

    Jan 08, 2013, 11:40 #30531

    If any of you were around in the late 60s and early 70s you will recall such names as Norman Hunter, Nobby Stiles, Chopper Harris, Tommy Smith and our own Peter Storey. Every team had at least one hatchet-man and Leeds had several. In those days refs did not book people for a bit of shirt-pulling or even a clumsy challenge from behind. So perhaps we need to develop a sense of perspective when it comes to bemoaning the physical side of the game today. In those days you could only make one substition if one of your players got injured, and a squad of 14-15 first-team regulars would usually be all that you would require for a season (Brian Talbot played in every one of our 70 games in all competitions during the 1979-80 season). Yes, the game may be faster these days, but it suggests to me that players are cosseted more than they used to be and that rehabilitation methods - especailly at Arsenal - are not as effective as they should be.

  52. GG89

    Jan 08, 2013, 11:28 #30530

    None of those four should have been missed too much... The Gooners had better players but perhaps not cover for those injuries... Diaby is a standing joke... He should look at Sagna for stamina and bravery. Perhaps of the four Eduardo´s leg break effected the team the most, Gallas lost the plot in the same game. Hindsight is easy let´s break the trophy drought this season...

  53. Sarge

    Jan 08, 2013, 11:22 #30528

    I think that the adoption of rough house tactics has diminished over the last couple of seasons as opposition coaches have realised that we don't play a particular brand of fast paced one-touch football any more. You don't need to choke Arsenal at source. They know that our current play is sterile if you deny the space to operate. At some point we will make a passing error and teams look to capitalise and counter attack us. The Sagna incident for me was an isolated case - a bad individual challenge but not deliberate targeting. The Birmingham and Stoke incidents have some validity as possible deliberate targeting since it was a manifestation of their respective manager's footballing philosophy. However, I refuse to believe that any pro maliciously sets out to maim another. It is more of a sad by-product of a poor decision by the offending player. With respect to the club and fans reaction to the aftermath. As fans we want the returning player to do well. However, if there is no discernible progress you have to say thanks but its not working. Whether the club took that decision with Eduardo or whether he instigated his own exit - I don't know. However, at some point if the player is no longer able to contribute effectively the club must decide to cut its losses. And there is the problem where Wenger is concerned. He is reluctant to make that decision and, therefore perseveres in the hope that things will improve to the potential detriment of the team overall.

  54. Theopants Superstar

    Jan 08, 2013, 11:04 #30527

    I think it's more a case of 'The Curse of **** Leadership'!!