Sack Arsène – What Next?

The problems and potential solutions



Sack Arsène – What Next?

David Moyes – Ideal Candidate


One of the few press conferences that sticks in the mind was when Sir Alex Fergusson had to answer questions about Rooney wanting to leave. It felt like he had become a frail old man genuinely hurt by his star wanting to leave. It was all just one of his games that once again meant he got his own way, pounding Max Clifford in the process. Arsène Wenger has recently had his own moment like that at Villa Park a month ago, sadly he didn’t come through it with the same masterful swagger of Ferguson. He just seemed like a beaten old man bereft of any answer to the criticism of his substitution by the fans, against a team our rivals have scored bucket loads against. While he came out of the exchange quite well he seemed a broken man. Not the quirky French professor, giving a cheeky arrogant ‘I told you so’ smile. Beating Reading and Wigan seems to be fooling too many people and our league position is enormously flattering.

When the greatest manager in a club’s history is beginning to be questioned, it becomes an emotional decision. It is an almost winless situation. He came, he revolutionised, he conquered, he went unbeaten, he constructed, he lingered, he stagnated. Pushing all emotion out of the decision is what has to be done.

While Arsenal have scrapped a Champions League place for a number of seasons, while presenting a healthy profit and therefore probably meeting the brief the manager is given by his employers, the situation has become a ticking time bomb of abject failure. The stubborn Gaul has a number of pitchside pitfalls –
• The refusal to address tactics, essentially the 4-2-3-1 is the same formation that has frustrated since 2007 when it was called a 4-5-1. It just doesn’t work.
• Ignoring the opposition and just playing the same system smacks of total arrogance. It is why Arsenal have become so easy to stop playing, just man mark the midfield. If Barca study their opponents and adapt surely Arsenal need to too.
• Zonal Marking. How many points have to be dropped before it is accepted that it does not work?
• The obsession with playing players out of position. It killed Arshavin’s career and just isn’t fair.
• Not playing players on form. This isn’t fair either. Ramsey is having his confidence drained with every match he is forced to play. He was going to be a true great, now he would barely scrape into the Fulham side.
• Not rotating adequately hence the periods of abject form and niggly injuries.
• His berating of the 4th official. When will he realise it does nothing and if anything just means Arsenal will get fewer decisions in future and looks pathetic.

That is not to mention the problems off the pitch –
• Contracts are not being dealt with. The loss of Flamini should have been the final straw before things got sorted. It keeps happening and the loss of Walcott will be the final nail in the coffin.
• The wage structure is an absolute mess, making transferring players and contract negotiations a nightmare. It is only getting worse too.
• Over-reliance of players with incredibly poor injury records. Diaby and Rosicky are excellent players but are costing a fortune and also tying up places in the squad limit.
• He has started saying some pretty concerning things in press conferences and interviews.
• He looks unwell, as someone who has been one of the true legends at the club this is particularly unpleasant.

The things that made Arsène Wenger such a great coach have started to ebb away. His transfer activity used to be inspired, picking up unknowns and turning them into the world’s greatest. The last one he can take the credit for is Bacary Sagna. All the other big names were purchased for more than £10 million or were already established players. The exciting football has died on its arse, passing around the edge of the opponent’s box isn’t exciting, it is frustrating.

What is really keeping Mr Wenger in a job is the inertia caused by fear of change. Appointing a new manager will mean a number of factors have to be addressed.

Management Structure
Mr Wenger is famously incredibly hands on, he controls everything including the matchday travel plans. This was manageable a decade ago but Arsenal’s move to Ashburton Grove has been the metaphorical move from a successful decent sized club to an elite footballing superpower (“Arsènal: The Making of a Modern Superclub” is a great book on this subject). This growth has been where the problems lie.

Arsenal is too big a club for a single person to try and run everything so looking into all of these potential methods of running the club will dictate the choice of manager who will replace him. It all points to the possibility of a Director of Football which has been a bit of a Damien Comolli shaped disaster in the Premiership. Ivan Gazidis may be able to do this quite successfully but the unfortunate chants of “Ivan Gazidis, what the f*** do you do?” – a bit unfair because the man under him has total control of the club. Opening a David Dein can of worms would be a waste of time.

Richard Law is apparently in charge of transfers and contracts, he would have to be evicted promptly too. Since he joined the club, every transfer has been an incredibly painful and unpleasant experience resulting in days of tedium and ultimately the pants of the club being pulled down. Apparently Arsenal missed out on Juan Mata because Law was in South America trying to sign Costa Rican prodigy Joel Campbell (currently on loan at Real Betis).

A Suitable Replacement
This is the big one. Who do you bring in? Who wants it? When looking at a new manager you need a specification. Not a trophy list, it is horses for courses. Arsenal need someone to grab the team by the short and curlies and pull up suddenly, while building a sustainable foundation. Not someone like Josè Mourinho who can create a great team with an unlimited budget.

Pep Guardiola - There are rumblings that Pep is keen on it. Is he the most overrated manager in history? He has an indisputable trophy collection both as a player and a manager. Barca have a mould that effectively continually promotes through the club with players and managers. Proof of this is how naturally Tito Vilanova has seamlessly taken over the ship. When Guardiola became Barca head coach he inherited a squad with Valdes, Puyol, Milito, Xavi, Iniesta, E'Eto, Henry and Messi, an unlimited budget and 100% supporter backing. Forgive me if I am wildly over exaggerating but could Mark Hughes not win things with that squad? Guardiola has no experience of building a squad, of fixing a squad or developing a team. He was effectively a custodian of Barcelona. While his style of football would suit the squad he would inherit, it may well be an expensive disaster.

Any Bundesliga/German manager – Germans are fashionable; the Bundesliga is cool, with their atmosphere and crazy standing up fans oh and organisation. The Arsenal defence would be drilled into the ground, it could be devastating for them as they might get zonal marking literally kicked out of them, clean sheets might not have to be at the expense of removing all attacking options. Jürgen Klopp seems to be rightfully in vogue too with what he is doing at Dortmund but would that be a step down in his career? Huub Stevens (Dutch) at Schalke might be a possibility but like Guardiola they are a risk. German football is not something I claim to know much about so I am relying on hearsay and The Guardian Football Weekly Podcast!

David Moyes – Everton supporters will be devastated about this but he is the ideal candidate, he ticks all of the boxes. Premiership experience, working within the constraints of a budget, getting the most out of players, excellent scouting network, the ability to evolve that Wenger has lacked for so long and he might be able to bring his enormous mad Belgian to fill the hole in the team Arsenal are desperate for. People say that Moyes might not be able to cope with a big club but if Brendan Rogers can manage Liverpool, anything is possible. I say give him a chance. He might be able to return some of the good will to Arsenal that has vanished over the last few years. He is one of the few managers who is a likeable person. If he was to be picked he would need to be kept under control to start with and the management structure may well prove to be a problem but he has adapted to far bigger problems working with Everton on a shoestring.

The Current Squad
There is undoubtedly a very talented 1st XI in N5 but issues certainly need to be addressed in terms of the squad. Most obviously the wage structure - Wenger has tried to create sees the star players paid considerably less than they would be at other top clubs but the wage bill is enormous because of the likes of Bendtner, Denilson, Djourou and Squillaci – all xreportedly earning over £50k a week. To put this into context this is considerably more than Oscar is being paid as a 1st XI Chelsea player. Because they have been given these massive ridiculous contracts they are impossible to shift on and this would make it near impossible for a new manager to make their mark on the squad.

The People who really matter
The Arsenal board of directors adore Mr Wenger for good reason, he has been very good to them, he has laid them all a pretty spectacular golden egg. This has bought him enormous good will and there was talk of it being a job for life. Stan Kroenke is also taken by him, Ivan Gazidis was allegedly shortlisted by Wenger, meaning he chose his own boss. They are dinosaurs with no footballing knowledge between them and incapable of making a decision that will benefit the club.

The inspired decision to bring Wenger in was made by a board of people who cared deeply about the club but the likes of Dein and Fiszman have not been replaced by executives with a shred of footballing knowledge.

In conclusion, while Arsène Wenger has been a true Arsenal legend he has undoubtedly become incredibly stagnant and with a heavy heart I think it is time he should leave. This has to be done before he gets his hands on the ‘transfer warchest’ created by the new sponsorship deal or Mr Wenger might just pump Serge Gnabry, Jernade Meade and Ignasi Miquel’s contract up to £50,000 a week. We are too late to undo the extravagant contracts for Ramsey, Chamberlain and Gibbs. It all has to be done quickly, it may seem brutal but a clean break is the most important thing. The change of manager needs to bring in a new start for the club with a new infrastructure so the replacement (hopefully David Moyes) can have a fresh start.

Sorry Mr Wenger


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  1. billthered

    Jan 14, 2013, 17:04 #30799

    You cant get rid of a socialist leader(Animal Farm anyone)

  2. Darren Cooper

    Jan 14, 2013, 14:30 #30786

    Brilliant article - even the most loyal to Wenger have had enough!

  3. Colonel Mustard

    Jan 14, 2013, 11:29 #30772

    fairly balanced. we all know Wegners days are numbered. He has to go sometime so point is moot anyways. My problem with Wegner is accepting huge salary and board cheapness.

  4. Peter

    Jan 13, 2013, 23:44 #30736

    "If he was to be picked [i.e David Moyes) he would need to be kept under control to start with". Doesn't exactly sound like a ringing endorsement, does it?? Under control by whom exactly? The current Board?

  5. Jason B

    Jan 13, 2013, 22:56 #30734

    AKB Arsene's kaput (tactical)brain.

  6. BigDave

    Jan 13, 2013, 2:41 #30724

    Lets bring in Harry redknap, who would have thought harry would become a better manager then wenger 5 or even ten years ago...most people would have laughed So what's happned... Harry's learned from his experience and has improved, while wenger thought he already knew it all, and has now gone backwards.

  7. Andrey Arshavin

    Jan 12, 2013, 1:00 #30717

    Moyes, No! I like the current Boss, sometimes I get to play. The shopping is good in Town and my wife has a Harvey Nicholls store card. My Kids go to a very good school and have several ponies to entertain them at the weekend. I love this club so please leave Mr Wenger alone. I´m concentrating on the World Cup in Brazil for Russia, maybe we have a chance this time. If I only play a few games a season I could go on at International level for years. Thanks for your support, Fuk David Moyes - he´s a bit scary, bully you into playing well, and helping out your team mates and make friends and other sh1t like that like that other nasty scot AF.

  8. Alsace Lorraine De Totteridge

    Jan 11, 2013, 11:11 #30701

    Well, the AKB's are as vile as ever in response to this thoughtful and readable piece. John, there are lots of things that I couldn't do professionally, but I can see when a professional person is screwing things up so badly that you need to find someone who IS competent to do the job. As for the rest, the stench of fear abounds. No one is indispensable and a replacement needs to be found. The thing about Mr Wenger is, that like many of those who are no longer performing in their job, he knows it, and it is slowly killing him inside. The people who still want him in the job are not his friends, and certainly are not friends of Arsenal Football Club.

  9. agoonergamble

    Jan 11, 2013, 10:42 #30700

    Great article. Like you say its simply down to fear of the unknown in replacing AW. But like any manager he is replaceable. Maybe not to the boards expectations as they want a financial manager not a footballing one. Regardless we as fans dont get a choice. We will only see a change at the top when the board decide it's time. 2014?

  10. Van de Ed

    Jan 11, 2013, 2:31 #30692

    I really hope the Stockport Galacticos give us a right tonking at home this Sunday; so far it seems Le Boss is oblivious to the fact the transfer window is open & this team desperately needs strengthening in several positions!

  11. goonerpearty

    Jan 10, 2013, 23:21 #30691

    ITS TIME TO RESIGN ITS TIME TO RESIGN ARSENE WENGER ITS TIME TO RESIGN

  12. Danny

    Jan 10, 2013, 22:48 #30690

    Arsenal has cancer in their works. Util this is cut out and disgarded , we will never be successful. Wenger and YANKS have to go we are 10 days in the transfer window and no business done yet. Looks like bargain basement signings or a new Diaby signing is it

  13. Charles Brooker

    Jan 10, 2013, 22:33 #30689

    Thanks very much for all your kind (and if not at least constructive criticism!) One of the things I was hoping for this to create discussion was the introduction of a Director of Football type role on the basis that managing Arsenal the way AW does could be too big for one man. Ian's post (Post No. 33348) Makes a very interesting point about Dennis coming in as an assistant. I remember a drunken conversation with a friend in about 2007 and we came up with the idea of Wenger grooming a double team of Dennis and TA to succeed the management. Maybe swap Adams for Bouldy?! Also Dear Lord, you made some very interesting points If you want to discuss them on twitter, add me @cebrooker. Would love an in-depth chat.

  14. Joe

    Jan 10, 2013, 21:16 #30688

    David Moyes' Signings which are always overlooked and ignored: Yakubu £11.25m Andy Johnson £11m Andy van Der Meyde £8m Diniyar Bilyaletdinov £8m James Beattie £6m Simon Davies £4m Nuno Valente £3.5m Matteo Ferrari £4.5m Richard Wright

  15. Jason

    Jan 10, 2013, 21:03 #30687

    Although as stated by various people I agree Wenger must go, ie tactics, or lack of etc etc, the route cause of all the clubs problems is Stan Kroenke. I'm afraid Arsenal will never win another Premier League title with this man in charge. The day the club changed forever was when he was brought onto the board and David Dein was ousted. It’s quite obvious to me that Dein knew the way the club was going to be run under SK, didn't agree, and he was out. Wenger on the other hand, in order to continue as manager, had to agree to our "new future" Why wouldn't he being paid the money he is getting. SK has no interest in football, or the success of AFC on the pitch whatsoever. He is at this club to make money, simple as that. If we were a non league club, but still attracting 60000 every week, he would be happy. Although I can understand the criticism that Wenger receives, SK is the worst thing that has ever happened to this club, and unless he leaves, nothing will ever change!!!!

  16. lee afc

    Jan 10, 2013, 20:52 #30686

    David Moyes as the next Arsenal manager????? Please give this club some credit. On average since 2000, Moyes has lost 18 games per season and on average since 2000, his finishing position was 9th place with Everton....You've got to aim a bit higher than that Charles..

  17. Ian

    Jan 10, 2013, 20:39 #30685

    Joe Mitchell you are spot on but wouldn't it be nice to see bergkamp next to pep as his assistant?

  18. Suffer Fools

    Jan 10, 2013, 20:07 #30683

    Moyes doesnt and Wenger does. time after time. useless signing after useless signing. so much money wasted on salaries to inferior players who do not even put in a hard days work. Moyes would cull half of current squad and turn Arsenal on its head. and thats probably why the board wouldnt let him in

  19. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 10, 2013, 19:51 #30682

    Totally agree with doctore, and Inspector Cloueless,he shouldn't be moved upstairs or even offered he'd still have to much of an influence.I doubt he'd accept anyway his ego wouldn't allow it.

  20. Big Andy

    Jan 10, 2013, 19:43 #30681

    It's difficult to see us being successful with Kroenke and Gazidis in control of the club. Even if we get Moyes or another top manager we would still have this "we're not gonna invest a single penny more than we have to" attitude from the owner. I can't see a golden futere while the Yank is our owner.

  21. allybear

    Jan 10, 2013, 19:29 #30680

    Wont make a bit of difference what any of us say,Wenger will be in charge for a long time. He alone is responsible for buying crap players and giving them huge salaries. If so many teams around the world are after him then why doesnt he go for a new challenge?

  22. Would you believe it?!

    Jan 10, 2013, 19:28 #30679

    How does this constitute a 'brilliant article'? It says literally nothing new and its proposals for the future are...count the fingers... 1.Guardiola (whom even my daughter could point out as a candidate) 2. A weak case for Moyes and 3. ANY German/Bundesliga manager. THAT'S IT. I'm glad the author isn't running our club.

  23. PaddyStoodUp

    Jan 10, 2013, 19:19 #30678

    Well done Charles. A really well constructed article. You've said what you think and given your reasons why. I certainly don't agree with every point you've made, but I can understand where you're coming from and always enjoy reading other people's opinions even if they don't match my own. That's what makes this The Gooner such a fascinating site to visit. I like Guardiola a lot, but there is a nagging doubt that he might just have been a little fortunate - perhaps even in the same way that Arsene was a little fortunate when he inherited the back four in 1996. Both Pep and Arsene made the most of it, there's no doubt about that, but whereas Arsene has stuck around and built at least one further great side (the Invincibles), Pep chucked in the towel and decided that he couldn't possibly better what he'd already achieved and therefore it was perhaps best to walk away at the top. I don't really blame him for that, especially as he has such obvious affection for Barcelona. Moyes is an interesting one - I can certainly see the rationale, but again I have doubts with regards to how well he would fit in at Arsenal given our way of doing things. Personally I hope Arsene rediscovers his mojo (whatever that is) and remains in charge for another few years yet.

  24. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 10, 2013, 18:45 #30677

    Charles, whether your the greatest manager in the clubs history or not you can only stagnate for so long,you can only go without success for so long,you can only live of former glories for so long before you start to be questioned and that's certainly the case now,especially when like you say their so stubborn in not addressing all the things that we all know need addressing and have done for a long time.You've addressed most of them yourself although you've forgotten (i suppose it's hard to remember them all)a long standing one, the keeper situation.Wenger is hands on alright,to hands on, does he have to have a say/input in everything ? everywhere but where it matters it seems.This team's in such a rut now and going nowhere because of points you mention tactics/lack off, coaching/lack off players/lack off that whoever the next manager is (and there's certainly been plenty of candidates good and bad mentioned on here over the last two or three years)yes they'll have their work cut out but it's hard to imagine he wouldn't be able to get more out of the current team than the present manager.Good article.

  25. Big Andy

    Jan 10, 2013, 16:57 #30676

    This is a brilliant article which says just about everything that most real Gooners think. I wouldn't mid seeing Moyes at the Grove.

  26. ppp

    Jan 10, 2013, 16:46 #30675

    The Wenger haters are really getting dull. Show some backbone and support the team.

  27. Moscow Gooner

    Jan 10, 2013, 16:27 #30674

    GoonerDave - Wenger has 'earned the right' to spend the transfer kitty?! I don t think so: he gets paid £ 7.5 M a year for managing Arsenal - I don t think sentiment should be allowed to override the importance of ensuring that the club s resources secure maximum return. Wenger has lost his touch in the transfer market: give the cash to a new management team.

  28. A manager in the Bundesliga

    Jan 10, 2013, 16:17 #30673

    Hello Charles, I manage in the uber-cool Bundesliga. You don't know me, as you admit, your knowledge is poor. Although you prefer me to your current manager who finished 3rd last season. Where do I sign?

  29. Unchives

    Jan 10, 2013, 16:12 #30672

    The question has always been who would replace Wenger when he goes. The fact that Guardiola & Mourinho are likely to be available at the end of this season and that Arsene is now 63, should give everyone the pointer, as to which direction we should go. The biggest money pot for Arsenal is in 2014, however who would you trust to spend it?

  30. Nutty's Right Peg

    Jan 10, 2013, 16:08 #30671

    Good article, whilst Guardiola will prob never be on the radar again,like you say,Moyes ticks all the boxes for me. Love what Wenger has done for the club but I don't think it's been the same since that infamous game at St Andrews with Eduardo's injury, Galas's sulk & Clichy refusing to find row z.The whole set-up is so stale now it's gone beyond a joke.

  31. CanadaGooner

    Jan 10, 2013, 14:24 #30670

    Charles, you've written a masterpiece mate. Nothing new, but very well presented indeed. More importantly, no bias. Moyes is just another Martin O'neill. He would be a disaster at Arsenal and will spend much less than Wenger as he'll be like a 5 year old told to manage a cookie-store. If you look at the record of british managers in the league (with the exception of fergie) in recent years, you'll see their nasty nature and lack of tactics: they change clubs with the worst excuses ever (at any given oppotunity): Mark Hughes had it going good for him at Fulham when he said they didnt match his ambition (funny eh?), O'neill left Villa when he could have truly established himself (now he's all over the shop), Harry was dancing all over the south coast swapping pompey for soton like a game of dice, Owen Coyle disgracefully ditched burnley for bolton (had one flukey season there and where is he now?). The 2 young idiots from last season both had it good for them at norwich and swansea and decided they were big enough to go to villa and liverpool respectively (need I say what their future will be?). Not saying foreign coaches are better as far as honesty and commitment goes, but at least the team respects them and they tend to get the job done (and have international experience, which british managers lack as they would have largely spent their playing careers at home) As for the issue of Wenger and his missed opportunities, stubbornness etc; we only have ourselves to blame. After the 'invincibles' season there were talks of 'job for life' for wenger at arsenal etc, the management, fans and everyone associated with the club got too carried away and Wenger became unquestionnable (evidence of that is rife on this site where you have people on here who still made excuses for him after the Bradford disaster!). No manager should become unquestionnable especially if they are not winning trophies. 4th place or champions league place isnt the reason Arsenal FC rose to the level of prominence we have. We all have to come together to clearly voice our discontent with the club's current situation, and I honestly couldnt care less whether or not we keep wenger or bring someone else in, provided the club comes out with a strong statement that next season the focus is SOLELY on winning a trophy and that 4th place isnt good enough! (wont hold my breath)

  32. Stevo

    Jan 10, 2013, 14:04 #30669

    Of course Wenger should go. Any objective analysis of his signings, since we last won a trophy, indicates he is way past his sell by date. Wenger has become boring, stale, responsible for losing our best players every season and sings crap players, who no one wants and prove impossible to move on. In addition he won't let Bold sort out the defence, the wage structure is now a joke and the fans are being ripped off left right and centre by a club constantly exploiting their loyalty. He also comes out with the same boring rubbish at post match press conferences. For example he says the team 'gave everything' when it's obvious they couldn't be bothered to put a decent shift in. His comments after the Bradford defeat are a prime example. Arenal will not move forward, on the pitch, and in so many other ways, until Wenger leaves at his own choosing because the board haven't got the balls to sack him!

  33. Red Member

    Jan 10, 2013, 13:45 #30668

    surely it is a bit pointless to discuss a successor to Wenger when everyone knows he is not going anytime soon. The board at Arsenal set him a target of a top finish each season with profits and so far he has not let them down. He could be argued to have had 16 years of success. If anyone wants change at the club then the first man to remove is Stan Kroenke - anything else is irrelevant

  34. 'Any Bundesliga manager...the Budesliga is cool' - what sort of a basis is that for an appointment?

    Jan 10, 2013, 13:40 #30667

    ...so the teams at the bottom of the Bundesliga, let's have their managers? What childish sh*te. Comfortably the worst proposal ever. Names are needed! Klopp....and...? Is Moyes really an improvement? Ask yourself seriously. He's very resourceful and good and getting the best from limited resources, but is that what we need? Is it enoough? Is it not a case of fighting for 4th on a lesser budget all over again? What has Moyes ever won? List it. How many times has he finished above Wenger in the league? How many times has a Moyes side been utterly thrashed by a Wenger side? Seven goal wallopings from Arsenal on more than two ocassions. Yet you advaocate sacking one man and replacing him with the other. Be careful what you wish for. (I once heard an Arsenal fan calling for O'Leary to be our manager, just after we beat Juventus at Highbury.)I may be wrong, Moyes may be capable of better things at a bigger club, but I haven't seen quite enough to convince me.

  35. El Bodgeo

    Jan 10, 2013, 13:22 #30666

    Dear Lord you are spot on! Best reply to this school-project article.Unfortunately, Moyes would only get the job due to his potential to fulfil the Owner's 'buy cheap, sell rich' mandate. One thing is certain, it's all going to get much worse before it gets better. Hopefully when we finally see the end of Mr French Bean we will still be a club that a decent new manager will want to join. If so, an ex-Arsenal man may be the best fit. God should have finished his apprenticeship at Ajax by then. He's my shout.

  36. jack

    Jan 10, 2013, 13:16 #30665

    very good article but lost me when u started saying that playing players out of position isn't fair?? isn't fair?? well boo f**king hoo

  37. Ron

    Jan 10, 2013, 13:11 #30664

    Doing it at Everton doesnt mean it would be replicated at Arsenal. Different cultures, different expecatations etc etc all have an input. DM has been comfy there for years. Joining a hot bed club might not work for him. Decent bloke agreed, but hes not for me. Arsenal need a top quality proven coach who knows the CL and knows how to operate under pressure and more importatntly knows how to tell the Board whats needed and to get his own way within sensible limits put upon him by the Board. If they cant get such a man then sticking with Wenger is the only option until they can. To be honest, most coaches wouldnt want the extent of control and power that Wenger has in which case surely recruting the right man shouldnt be too hard once hes indentified.

  38. Silver Gooner

    Jan 10, 2013, 13:01 #30663

    Wenger well and truly lost the plot some time ago. Worse still, as time goes on, he gets worse! Just about any other manager in the PL would be able to get more out of our playing squad than Wenger does simply by addressing all the problems on the pitch that most Gooners have seen for the past few seasons. What's the betting that in the next week or so, he will offer Walcott what he wants and claim that Theo is the most important signing of the season?!!

  39. mkherd89

    Jan 10, 2013, 12:49 #30662

    oh shut up your boring, in arsene we trust

  40. AugustusCaesar

    Jan 10, 2013, 12:46 #30661

    So many contradictions and cliches in this it's difficult to know where to start. Rotate but don't pick players who aren't on form. Hmmm. Zonal marking does not work? Did man to man marking before it work? Anyone care to show me some stats or are you just going to trot this out Jamie Redknapp style? 'Obsession' with playing players out of position? 'Obsession'? Really? As for the formation. The 4-4-2 was, I think, 'killing' Fabregas according to most on here. You can't have it both ways. Oh I can't be arsed, yeah, get David Moyes in. Replace Wenger with David...no resources, works miracles on a shoestring yet never won a trophy in his career despite the fact the club has a 40,000 stadium and their turnover is 75% wages...Moyes. Arteta took a pay cut to join Arsenal remember!? You've fallen for the media mythologising about Moyes/Everton hook, line and sinker. David fuc*ing Moyes!

  41. Der Projekt ist Kaput

    Jan 10, 2013, 12:31 #30660

    Would have Moyes in a heartbeat. Who knows, perhaps then we might even see some tactics at the Soccerbowl. Oh, and bringing Baines with him would do very nicely, too.

  42. mkherd89

    Jan 10, 2013, 12:29 #30659

    oh shut up ,your boring in arsene we trust

  43. MattGooner

    Jan 10, 2013, 12:28 #30658

    I totally agree with this article and can not comprehend the thoughts and reasoning behind pro Arsene supporters. The team is not half as good as it was 5 years ago because Arsene keeps selling all our real talent and replacing them, with if we are lucky, players half the quality Players don't really seem to have arsenal in their heart, I simply can't see the courage in the faces of most of the players. Most are on a decent wage packet and could care less or not if they perform We continue to have to pay the top prices to see games, but the team is no longer competitive with the top teams and it seems we will be lucky to qualify for Europa league this year. We also fail to compete with the top clubs on the transfer market. How can we sell the best striker in the league to our arch rivals? This move is unforgivable and should have been the last straw! Look at Man U sitting pretty at the top of the league with a player RVP. Unfortunately he was right the direction the club is going is DOWN. Until us supporters stand up and do something things will stay the same, the club will continue to fail to compete for trophies and on the transfer market and we will continue to sell our best players. If we get a good offer for Jack Wilshere we will probably sell him too. It's getting ridiculous, in fact, beyond a joke. THE TIME HAS COME FOR CHANGE

  44. Charles Brooker

    Jan 10, 2013, 12:07 #30657

    @Belfast Gooner, I would just like to point you in the direction of the Mirror article at the weekend stating that Wenger admitted to having control of the wage structure at the club.

  45. Highbury Boy

    Jan 10, 2013, 12:01 #30656

    @Belfast Gooner. In theory you are correct but in practice it is Wenger who has recently admitted that it is HIS socialist principles which meant there was as small as difference as possible between the highest paid stars and the squad players. This has resulted in above average wages being paid to below average players who just cannot be removed from the pay roll. Yes Dick Law deals with the drafting of the contracts but it is Wenger who tells him how highly he rates players like Walcott and how much he wants him to be paid. Wenger agreed to the appointment of Gazidis (in theory his boss) which is very unusual and shows the power he has at the club. Gazidis's bonus of £600k last season was dependant on profits which of course came from player sales which have to be approved by Wenger. Thus Gazidis is unlikely to take the initiative in removing his source of bonus. Also the main shareholder Stan bought into the Club with Wenger's business model in place and he has been delighted to see his shares double in value on the back of profits from continued CL football and player sales. It's only the fans who crave trophies even if it means speculating. Wenger ridicules our desire for better players in some positions on higher wages (and less wages handed out to squad players) by saying we want to bankrupt the club on buying big name players.

  46. Joe S.

    Jan 10, 2013, 11:56 #30655

    Gaudiola did not make Barcellona. He did not sign Puyol, xavi. Ienesta or Messi.This is a club where there is a solid structure top dowm from having a passionate president to the scouts who comb thw world looking for kids and the coaching staff that really knows how to develop young potential. At Arsenal one man's ego has been allowed to dominate and control too much of the club's future. As for Kroenke, Gazadis and Laws, what can you say;" What a load of Rubbish".

  47. Tony

    Jan 10, 2013, 11:54 #30654

    @John I may not have managed for 30 years but i know a **** footballer when i see one.Wenger gives them long term contracts.Wenger actually bought Santos Squillaci Chamakh Park and Gervinho.Players who wouldnt look out of place on a park pitch.But thats why we pay him £7.5m a year isnt it? Moyes would knock these bunch of pussies into shape he is from the same school as Fergie

  48. Bum

    Jan 10, 2013, 11:53 #30653

    What drivel! Moyes has SPENT MORE NET THAN WENGER. The reason Wenger is wanted by every big club is his results to spend ratio is incredibly good. Your words to sense ratio, however, sucks!

  49. Inspecter Cloueless

    Jan 10, 2013, 11:41 #30651

    Does the guy writing this piece know anything about football? 1. You claim Mourinho can 'only do it with a big budget'. This the same Jose Mourinho who won a UEFA Cup Treble in his first big season at Porto? And then followed it up with an actual Treble, winning back to back European trophies and back to back trebles with a team that cost less than the price of Olivier Giraffe? What are you on about? 2. Do you also know that in the season Jose won his second Treble, at Inter; he actually made a net PROFIT in the transfer market of over £35 mil? He did that by selling Zlatan to Barca for £60 mil+. So he made Inter a bucketload of cash AND won the biggest trophy in football. I ask again: how much European football do you follow? 2. Why do you mention 'financial constraints' when the board have made it perfectly clear there is a sh**load of cash available and Wenger has acknowledged this is true? There ARE no 'financial constraints' at Arsenal. 3. No mention of Michael Laudrup? His team on the verge of a cup final and might win a trophy. When was the last time AW did this? 4. Idiots who claim Wenger should 'move upstairs'. So lemme get this right. You want the man responsible fr our catastrophic wage bill and who has mismanaged us in the transfer market so badly with his shocking tight ways; to get a position of even MORE power and influnce, to hinder the club for years to come yes? Hilarious. I used to think Arsenal fans knew the most about football but sadly, all the evdence here suggests otherwise!

  50. tpm

    Jan 10, 2013, 11:34 #30649

    @belfast gooner. have you been under a rock the past 2 weeks? AW confirmed a few days back he is the one responsibly for setting the wage structure, and his fault it is 'socialist' his words. not mine. this pretty much blows u out the water.

  51. Dear Lord

    Jan 10, 2013, 11:22 #30648

    Some of this article is good. Sadly, the author lets himself down with some utter cobblers. For a start, I am getting sick and tired of ignorant Arsenal fans syaing Pep Guardiola had an 'easy job'. It shows how little you understand about football. Great squad or not, Guardiola won the CL not once, but twice. There have been better squads (Galacticos at Real) that achieved less. How many CLs did the 'Invincibles' win? Oh that's right. NONE. Next point is that even though he had ana amazing squad, you overlook just how difficult it is to keep all those superstar egos in check. If Wenger took over at Barca he would win nothing. Cesc Fabregas said he learnt more from Pep about tactics in six months than he did in six years under Wenger. The key thing here is how Pep MOTIVATES. He keeps his teams hungry, they work incredibly hard and they want to play for him. YOU CANNOT COACH THAT. That is one key element Arsenal's mediocre manager lacks: a poor motivator, zero tactical knowledge and an inability to manage big players. Guardiola proved he can do all this. I would love Klopp but he wouldn't leave Dortmund to join Arsenal, it's a massive step down. Guardiola would jump at the chance to revolutionise Arsenal from the stale (trophyless) unambitious abyss it has become under Wenger. MOYES would be amn outstanding candidate also. Think of this: Moyes has a wage bill at Everton that is 60% lower than Arsenal's - and yet, his team play better football, he signs much better players (Jelavic is worth ten Girouds, Pienaar is worth 2 Walcotts, Fellaini is worth 120 Rosicky/Diaby/Arteta) etc.

  52. Arsene is a Fraudster

    Jan 10, 2013, 11:21 #30647

    Post No. 33284 - ik, keep flogging that dead horse skipper.

  53. Mandy Dodd

    Jan 10, 2013, 11:15 #30646

    David Moyes, has no real European experience, no trophies and worst of all......hoooooooooof! Should Wenger depart, I hope we aim for far better....a Moyes appointmentwould suggest those who believe the board lack ambition are correct. I know we took a gamble on an unknown Wenger, but we do not have to take such a gamble now

  54. Belfast gooner

    Jan 10, 2013, 11:05 #30645

    Seriously! Can't believe how niaeve supposed knowledgeable gooners can be. Firstly wenger is employed by the board, not the other way around. The board pay the wages, they(Richard law) negotiate with players agents to iron this particular detail out. Not wenger. The board tell wenger what wage structure he has to work within. Based on his interviews where it is clear he is sending the board a message 'if a special player becomes available and ge will improve the team, we will buy him' ' I won't buy just for buying sake' ie- we need to improve our wage structure to attract players who would improve the team. If any other manager comes in then they will work under the exact same conditions placed upon them by the board. I believe wenger deserves a few years with a bit of money, whether it be in increased wages to attract the top bracket player or big money to spend on big players. Wenger is not without fault but I believe he is the same man that came to our club and people ridiculed him arsene who, what the **** does he know about English football, all on the back of that horrible **** fergusons remarks. The only thing that has changed at arsenal is the board. The only tensing members from his first year are ken friars and phw. I believe Kroenke will sell to usmanov for a good profit and we will have proper funds for the first time ever really. When that happens I want wenger to be the man to benefit not some other because the fans read too many papers and got caught up in the fervour created by the media. The media will be delighted the day wenger walks, or gets sacked because they have been the biggest player in making that happen. I would love wenger to grow a set of balls and walk away because he doesn't deserve this ****. Then we would know our arses from our elbows! Up the Arse!

  55. Peter Wain

    Jan 10, 2013, 10:46 #30644

    I am amazed by the stataement "There is undoubtedly a very talented 1st XI in N5". I do not agree with this. John says their is some great talent in the club and I do not see that either. We have a very average keeper and ordinary back four (compared to the Admas Bould era below average) a ponderous midfield with Cazorla only capable of the odd good game and up front the slowest number 9 I have ever seen. Add in Gervinho to this mix and I fail to see where any average team can emerge. The squad needs major surgery and it will not get any better without it. However for the last few transfer windows we have only been buying duds and I have no confidence that the scouts and management can change. We need a new owner and management team not just a new manager. Guardiola is flavour of the month but his limited management experience is not what we require. The stand out candidate is David Moyes who has the experience and a great eye for unearthing talent. However I cannot see a change unless Wenger wants out.

  56. Bard

    Jan 10, 2013, 10:41 #30643

    I couldn't agree more. Its painful to read but the list of negatives in incontrovertable. So far I havent read a single post offering a comprehensive rebuttal of your arguments. I have been a massive Wenger fan but if he's still the man for the job let's here a reasoned argument for continuing to support him other than blind faith. Unfortunately it won't make the slightest difference. Wenger will go when he decides, there's no one on the board with the guts to rock the boat. My hope is that he goes before he screws the whole thing up. At least he can leave with dignity. The arguments about a successor are ridiculous. Any number of coaches could improve the current situation given the money and resources available. They may not have vision of an early Wenger but the way football is going we aren't likely to see a Ferguson or Wenger any time soon.

  57. Declan Burke

    Jan 10, 2013, 10:21 #30642

    I agree, Moyes is the man. sadly though it won't happen. Wenger will hardly sack himself, and if he doesn't, no one else will.

  58. GoonerDave

    Jan 10, 2013, 10:18 #30641

    I dont agree that he should go - just yet anyway. Wenger has his flaws and I cant argue with many of the points you listed above, but he has guided the club through a very turbulent financial period - the stadium move was a sap on our resources, but for the recession to bite at the same time was rotten luck. I dont think Arsene gets enough credit for this. No manager would be happy with nothing to spend, and also watching his best players leave each year. My reason for wanting Arsene to stay in simple - if there is now a cash surplus, Arsene has earned the right to spend it. He has certainly earned the right to build a quality team, with proper players and real financial backing. Sacking him, and allowing another manager to spend the money that Arsene never got to spend, seems disgusting to me. The man has achieved a minimum of 4th every year, with the 4th/5th highest wage bill, and no transfer outlay. Thats not doing too badly at all. I want Arsenal to win just as much as anyone, but sacking the manager will not help in my view. The new manager will have to operate under the same constraints. I direct my anger towards the owner, Kroenke. Barely speaks, has yet to put his hand in his pocket, doesnt care that our board are all antiques, etc etc. Wengers job is to do his best with the resources available. Now that we appear to have some money, it would seem more sensible to allow the man to spend it. If he doesnt, then he is not using the resources available, and thats a valid reason for getting shot of him. But lets at least give him the chance, he above anyone else has earned it.

  59. The Fonz

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:57 #30640

    Jesus mate....I started reading this, and then after a few words it becomes cleare that you are writing rubbish. I want the manager replaced, but keyboard warriors like you are complete fools. Saying he looks unwell!! Thats a matter of opinion no fact, and your ignorance is highlighted further when you joing the bandwagon of dummies who say that AW killed arshavins career....Im not even going to bother with that point! Stick to the facts and not your ill informed opinion......

  60. doctore

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:48 #30639

    And I hope fans would stop suggesting we move Arsene upstairs,because he would frustrate whoever we hire to achieve his psychotic dream and vision for the club.He should simply leave the club when his contract expires

  61. Steven P

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:37 #30638

    @John. That you Stan?

  62. Gooner1711

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:36 #30637

    Sortie!

  63. doctore

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:34 #30636

    "In Arsene we rust".WENGER OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  64. Tom

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:32 #30635

    These are just the same old trotted out arguments the AAA have been spouting for the last couple of months.Come March there will be a new list of negatives to replace these.It's just as easy to come out with a list of positives but that doesn't suit with your average spoilt "everything's so bad,I'm so hard done by."Online Gooner follower.

  65. Mark Rice

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:32 #30634

    Yep that sums it up..... But sadly NOTHING will change whilst we are run buy an American sports franchise ... Nobody of any really 'hit the ground running quality' with come in January. diaby and santos will be like new signings and the board will sent out "we will sign world class players" in May, June to try and con season ticket holders to renew (again). We will sadly be having this same conversation next year with the headlines ' arsenal board to offer Wenger new contract' hanging over us! BTW i aggree with Man City fans that £62 is taking the royal piss I whish we had the organisation skills to boycott games/club shop to show we have had enough...

  66. chris dee

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:31 #30633

    Many good points in the article. One of the most relevant is the unbending way the team play no matter what team or what players we are playing against. Even the most successful teams on the planet will adjust to combat the oppositions strong points but not Arsene. Also when your squad is not as strong talent- wise as in previous years then you should adapt your playing style to suit your players and not expect them to perform circa 2004. It's either arrogance,stubborness or naivity, none of which is acceptable in any manager in what should be the ruthless persuit of trophies. Saw Swansea ,who have been praised as a great footballing side take a giant stride to a Wembley final by a adapting to the match in question with a carefully organised defensive display.Disciplined defenders,cutting down space and clearing their lines at the merest hint of danger. I don't think any of us could see this Arsenal team going to Stamford Bridge,Old Trafford,Bayern Munich etc and keeping a clean sheet. Even the great trophy winning teams Arsene managed played matches where they had to 'dig in' and play ugly to win.The F A Cup final win over United was a prime example. So why,with lesser players are we not doing that now ,or will we be damaging the Arsenal 'brand' of pretty football that has lost us top class players who would have thought twice about leaving a successful team winning a trophy or two?

  67. Charles Brooker

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:30 #30632

    Bob, you make a valid point about Chapman but people may well be looking back upon Wenger like that in years to come. My point about Moyes would be that the club would have some sort of director of football to assist him. The likes of Mourinho and Guardiola undoubtedly have great history of winning trophies but only do it with an enormous budget. Jerry, This article was written a week ago, Michael Laudrup would have been laughed off then! I would love some football being played at the Grove that didn't involve passing around the box for 5 minutes with no penetration!

  68. Tony Evans

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:28 #30631

    I read an article in the Telegraph recently outlining Wenger's total responsibility for the ridiculous wages structure that exists at Arsenal, which has caused us so many problems in terms of shifting deadwood and attracting real star performers and felt real anger and despair. You mention this in your article, Charles, and have also summed up perfectly why Wenger has to go

  69. Lobster

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:25 #30630

    Why people keep saying that Ivan Gazidis has “no knowledge of football” is very ignorant and untrue. He has been a football fan since childhood (albeit a self-confessed Manchester City fan, not the oilgarch citeh, but the one who has struggled to even have a look at their neighbours- which is kind of admirable) and he is one of the main founding members of the MLS in the states. Manchester City tried to recruit him and offered him a much MUCH larger salary than what Arsenal offered him but he turned them down and opted for Arsenal FC instead because he felt that our Club is a more attractive destination because of its size, stability and he believed that Arsenal FC has the potential to grow into one of the worlds true elite Clubs in world football because of the way its run. Did I mention that he was ONE OF THE MAJOR FOUNDERS OF THE MLS. This man is one of the best in the world at what he does, so people get your facts straight

  70. jj

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:17 #30629

    A very thorough article.Of course any appointment is a gamble but what is certain is that Wenger has taken the first team backwards since 2006. We know he is not going to or can't change things around so it is more of a risk to keep him.Give me any manager that will instill some discipline and responsibility into this team. Give me a manager that is not like a rabbit frozen in front of the headlights every transfer window.

  71. Kosh80

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:12 #30628

    Well written piece, hope changes happen sooner than later.. #GoonerForLife

  72. Wombledin

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:11 #30627

    Great analysis, but we all know he is not going to go if another top four spot is secured, and what's the bet that the spuds choke again? But if and when it becomes mathematically impossible for us to make top four, he should instantly resign or be sacked, no doubt about it. The Board must be ruthless and put all sentimentality aside. They picked Wenger in the first place and must trust themselves again to pick a new great manager, for the glory of Arsenal.

  73. John

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:10 #30626

    Omg, this is one of the worst pieces by a qwerty expert ever. Normally you can laugh about the clowns who think they know how to run and manage a football club but this is beyond a joke. I would love it if arsenal for just a week would invite one of these keyboard warriors and let them manage the team for a week, deal with agents etc. PS yes I think it is time for a new manager but only for what I see on the field. We have some great talent at the club but too often the performance on the field doesn't match the talent. This is, IMHO, the responsibility of Wenger. I wouldn't be so arrogant however to think that I could do it better as you seem to think you can with your moronic points below Moyes' picture.

  74. Joe Mitchell

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:03 #30625

    I want Pep personally just to show a sense of ambition. Go out get the most in demand manager available. Yes the Barca team was amazing when he got them but he drilled that team to death, they changed tactics for each opponent. He organised them, motivated them and guided them to the top i believe although he wouldn't have the same calibre of player he would do the 2 things we lack. Motivation and organisation. Top draw players would come to play for him and the club would be lifted. Move Wenger upstairs let him hand the TEAM over to Pep it's time for change.

  75. Bob

    Jan 10, 2013, 9:01 #30624

    A truly excellent article in many respects, with a succinct summary of Wenger's considerable achievements in the first years of his tenure and an equally comprehensive account of his many and serious failings since the game has changed and left him behind. I would personally disagree that he is the 'greatest manager in our history' - he has tarnished the achievements of his early years too much to be mentioned in the same breath as Chapman, who was cruelly taken while he had so much more left to achieve. But he deserves respect for what he did. Where I do take issue is the suggestion that David Moyes should be the perfect fit for Arsenal. While Wenger must go, he is not the extent of our problems. The board must radically change their philosophy on how to resource a successful side in the modern era. While financial fair play may have a marginal impact, no-one should delude themselves that the likes of City and Chelsea are going to become significantly less potent. United have never allowed the grass to grow, and clubs likes Tottenham and Liverpool are showing real ambition. The board must realise that we cannot carry on as we are, and so we need a new manager - someone of the calibre of Mourinho or Gardiola - who can drive forward a new, more ambitious vision for our club.

  76. ik

    Jan 10, 2013, 8:56 #30623

    your suggestion are rubbish in Arsene we trust

  77. Jerry

    Jan 10, 2013, 8:55 #30622

    You missed a very important name. Micheal Laudrup. Pay hime Wenger's Salary and see what happens to the team