Money well spent?

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Money well spent?

Good tackle, wrong sport


I’ve never been 100% convinced about Laurent Koscielny. At times he can look good, but there is a sneaking feeling that some of his last ditch tackles are a consequence of situations his lack of defensive ability has allowed to develop. And I am not convinced he is strong enough to really do what is required of a centre back in the Premier League. As for the own goals…

Anyway, of late, Arsene Wenger seems to prefer starting him to Per Mertesacker, although I think the German is the better defender. But the manager does not always pick on form or ability. Sometimes it feels as if a player is picked by Wenger because he is a favourite. That may endear the manager to them, but it doesn’t tend to help win football matches. Do you think more successful managers ignore form? Per Mertesacker has been playing fairly well, but found himself on the bench yesterday. However, he didn’t have to wait long to get his chance, as Koscielny’s inability to deal with Edin Dzeko saw him dismissed for a rugby tackle. Arsenal were fortunate that the resulting penalty was not converted.

Reduced to ten men, the need for focus and commitment was critical. There was little of that in the hour that followed until Vincent Kompany was, in fairness, harshly dismissed. The defending for both City’s goals will have surprised nobody that has become accustomed to the Gunners’ lack of defensive quality. The manager uses such terms as ‘mental strength’ and ‘focus’ about his players. Hmmmm….

The way things are going, I can already predict the future words of Wenger should the club miss out on the top four this season. “It is an incredible achievement to compete in the Champions League for 15 seasons in a row. There are only three other clubs in Europe that have done that. You miss one season and suddenly everyone knows better than you.”

Arsenal might of course, still make that precious Champions League spot. But the slow decline in the team’s standards indicates that the kind of consistent run that might be required to propel them in the spring could be hard to come by. An injection of quality is required in several positions, but the only sound on the grapevine in the transfer market is that of tumbleweed. Apparently Wenger is a nightmare in transfer negotiations, which makes signing anyone doubly hard.

Granted, with a man less for most of the game, blanket conclusions cannot be drawn from the home defeat to Roberto Mancini’s side. But there did seem to be a lack of hunger (or ‘spirit’ as Wenger likes to call it) as a consequence of the perceived injustice of the red card. In distant days, a sequence such as Koscielny’s dismissal and the resulting penalty save would have acted as a springboard for a committed battling performance. We don’t see many of those these days.

I received a text early in the second half. “Things will only change when Arsenal fans refuse to pay to see this.” And therein lies the rub. As long as the stadium is selling out, then there is no imperative to change. If people are willing to pay caviar prices to consume sausage meat, that is exactly what the club will continue to serve up. No need to spend more giving better quality if they do not have to. The fans have been sold a pup, although gradually, a growing number of them are taking the decision to stop paying for it. Every summer it gets harder and harder for the club to sell all the season tickets.

At least they won’t be able to claim a full house on Wednesday against Swansea, unless they give away about 10,000 tickets to local schoolchildren and claim those as sold seats, even if the kids don’t come. Certainly, my guess is that about 15,000 of the 45,000 season ticket holders won’t bother attending, maybe more. The atmosphere at kick off will be very strange as many will not get there in time for the 7.30 start. The place will literally be half empty. The shape of things to come…?

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  1. Guy in Jersey

    Nov 24, 2016, 20:24 #94983

    Walcott has scored 93 goals in 358 games, which is a slightly better strike rate than I'd imagined. But how many were scored in important games? With his pace, and Wenger's favouritism, it's sad to think what he could've achieved if he'd some talent AND a footballing brain. Walcott's like a snowman, he melts away when the heat is on..............

  2. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 24, 2016, 19:55 #94980

    Leekie and Coleslaw - can you actually corroborate that story from your psycho-buddy? I.e. that you were all queueing at your local labour exchange and one of you had th temerity to suggest that said Jamee was a tosser? did it actually go down that way or wereone of you two actually the aggressor? Humanist? That'll do if it makes me different from you Jamee, you orrible herbert.

  3. Bonzo

    Nov 24, 2016, 10:26 #94935

    Arsenal Knew Best :- The Jamee soap opera continues unabated with a faux posted disagreement between himself and Finsbury. Much like the bizarre religious discussion where he argued back and forth against his ownself using two different user names. I believe I the past that 'Pete' his brother is also some form of alter ego extension that has now been killed off. You also see scenarios where he acts outside of his perceived tolerance I.e. A Gay man or a woman who gushes about how cool (Fancies) an Arsenal player. These pen portraits have some understanding to them. In short Jamee is not the man he portrays himself as. I increasingly wonder if he has any actual like for Arsenal as everything about its background he seems to dislike.

  4. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 24, 2016, 9:10 #94934

    Jamee son - You're an awful misanthrope and a hypocrite - You spend quite a bit of your time hijacking Finsbury Joe's name on here and then you go and slag him off. Incredible; almost like self-abuse, but then you're no stranger to that are you? Leave the critique for the big boys Jamee - you haven't got the number of brain cells for stuff like this, and you're not really an Arsenal fan are you?

  5. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 24, 2016, 8:30 #94933

    Finsbury - To paraphrase you just a little. It's an embarrassment the way the spuds have been dumped out of the CL in the manner they have done, especially with diving harry kane in full flow. Spurs should be taken out of the CL. They have no aims of getting beyond the group stage, and even if "we" (very curious to use the first person plural given you're a spud FJ!!) did have such aims the players and manager are too poor etc. etc. etc, ad nauseam bloaaaghhhhhh! My head's spinning now (a bit like Jamee's after he was taken over by satan a few years ago). Is that actually fj, or is it if suffolk strangler and subterfuge supremo? Nurse!

  6. Mark

    Nov 24, 2016, 6:20 #94932

    What shall we do Simon put statues for them next to Henry outside the ground?.This is Walcotts 11th season and he has scored 60 league goals.Thats a pathetic return.As for Giroud he is an Arsenal CF who has never scored more than 16 league goals in any of his 4 seasons at the club.Ask youself Simon why we never win league titles and are crap in the CL when we are relying on these two clowns.The bottom line is neither Wally or Giroud are good enough

  7. jjetplane

    Nov 24, 2016, 0:56 #94931

    So 5 live say back over at the Ems 'Wenger is having trouble with his zip and Arsenal are second best'..... Story of the last 12 years and twenty in the CL. N other club would be laughed at so much and hoping the 3 santas - Olly, Ramsay and Wally make a good show for the season.

  8. Finsbury Joe

    Nov 24, 2016, 0:31 #94930

    It's an embarrassment to qualify in the manner Arsenal have done, especially with the Cheating Chilean in full flow. Arsenal should be taken out of the Champions league, they have no ambition to get beyond the first knockout stage, and even if we did have such aims, the manager and players are just too poor. Arsenal are lowering the coefficient year upon year, which will affect other English clubs who are at least prepared to give it a go. But then again, very little about Arsenal is English, apart from their habit of failing on a football field

  9. Bonzo

    Nov 23, 2016, 23:55 #94929

    Jamee (seems like a nice boy) son... I not understand your gabble. I want Arsenal to win the title, so do all of accepting Finsbury Joe. But then again you seem to saying your a winner over seeing Arsenal consistently falling at a final hurdle. So it looks like both you and Finsbury both want Arsenal to fail. Finsbury because he's a Spud and you because of your poster pin up hero Kerry Dixon and your ongoing support for Chelsea. Your not a real Arsenal supporter so go away.

  10. Roy

    Nov 23, 2016, 22:35 #94928

    They've got Unai Emery, and we've got Dick Emery.

  11. mbg

    Nov 23, 2016, 22:30 #94927

    Augustus, the only thing these pampered little nice boys are interested in is looking good for the cameras in these games, indeed every game, little p****s, if they and their old past it manager would spend more time working on tactics and the opposition than in front of the fooking mirror working on their hair and beards they might be thought more off and get more respect. Zip fiddler out.

  12. smithy

    Nov 23, 2016, 22:09 #94926

    very poor. Arguably we deserved to lose. This is still a million miles away from a champions league winning team. Tactically we looked inept, particularly the collective drop off when we went 2-1 up. Iwobi had a very poor game as did Ramsey with his constant sideways or backward passing. Rant over... I am frustrated as I don't see any progress.

  13. Augustus Flair

    Nov 23, 2016, 21:53 #94925

    Sorry as a 50-year Gooner to butt in on the usual diatribes, chaps, but can I just add my congratulations for Aaron Ramsey's priceless contributions to hairstyles... sorry, Arsenal's cause tonight and let's hope his highlights (in the football sense, obviously) keep everyone happy. Another vintage performance.

  14. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 23, 2016, 21:52 #94924

    If we'd had their manager, and they ours, we'd have probably won that by a mile. Meaningless tournament (for us) of course. And to cap it all off, his zip issues returned. What a loser...

  15. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 23, 2016, 20:04 #94923

    Ron, I have two memories of John Radford outside of some the great goals he scored (the one at Anfield in 72/73 season in particular)one, when he cleared of the line in the last home game of the 71 season against Stoke to preserve our 1-0 lead. However my favourite was at Wembley in 71 when Tommy Smith is hurtling towards him to take him out, big John, slips the ball one side of Smith, hurdles his flaying legs and was away. It was typical of the big bloke who was very light on his feet, Tough as old boots and a true Gooner.

  16. mbg

    Nov 23, 2016, 17:30 #94922

    JohnF, does it really surprise any of us ? like I've already said in another article ref Sanchez, TOF thinks of nobody only himself, the last thing on his mind is a players welfare, just his own, as long as wenger thinks a player/players can do a job and make him look good that's all that matters, not fit, broken toes, broken back, rushing them back, etc, etc, he'll not worry about that, and when he does eventually break them and they become perma crocks and useless to everyone even him he'll start worrying about their welfare then with big contracts and extensions as if he's doing the decent thing and making himself look good (in some peoples eyes anyway)and how it works, when it's his fault all along, what a fraud, wenger out now.

  17. jjetplane

    Nov 23, 2016, 15:14 #94921

    Someone must have hacked into Wearyourcolours.com as there is a slight sense of rattiness and a miniscule WOB thing but yes - it would be NICE if the lovely Theo (Jamerson has his top naked pics all over the caravan) and Olly reach the 100 club which may have something to do with flying around Europa until CL qualification is secured anddoing things that boyz do when they are together ..... NICE sums up the last 12 years of middle class ennui served up by the Ostrich at the er Ems Bistro where Santa Arsene hats are now on sale. Freddie is God! & Jamerson sounds distinctly lower order lol!

  18. mbg

    Nov 23, 2016, 15:05 #94920

    Mark from Aylesbury, yes wenger and AKB speak for having a football brain and using it instead of following out of date orders of an out of date philosophy from an out of date manager, how he must hate it when disobeyed and not listened to even if it means a win.

  19. Bonzo

    Nov 23, 2016, 15:04 #94919

    Jamee "Seems like a nice boy" those nice table manners and a pretty face go a long way in your book. For the rest of us, combative nature balanced with some skill and a desire to win the big prize for Arsenal will do. Frank McClintock Geordie Charlie George The Stroller Liam Brady More recently Patrick Viera Denis Tony and the back 4 Freddie David Seaman Thiery So many more....... Theo???? Come on

  20. John F

    Nov 23, 2016, 14:20 #94918

    Give me sport are reporting that Ramsey has a broken toe that he picked up before the Utd tie and had to have painkillers .If true that makes Wenger's decision to play him and on the wing even more baffling especially as he had other options available.

  21. Glen

    Nov 23, 2016, 14:10 #94917

    What a fascinating article. The next target after that is 110? Really? Not 544,345? Walnut and Giroud are symptomatic of Wenger's latter day loser reign - keep them there long enough and eventually they will crawl to a large tally. Suarez would have scored 100 goals for arsenal in about 4 years...

  22. Mark from Aylesbury

    Nov 23, 2016, 13:50 #94916

    I see stories saying Xaka has failed to shine are reaching the press. Does failing to shine include breaking Wengers tippy tappy clause and shooting from 30 yards?

  23. Bonzo

    Nov 23, 2016, 13:43 #94915

    Jamee - your Theo contribution can best be summed up as follows. "Ooh seems like a nice boy!" Are you channeling Larry Grayson perchance? Vada Ajax my sisters.

  24. Bonzo

    Nov 23, 2016, 13:23 #94914

    Jamee - yes Theo speaks very well, what that has to do with things God knows as most us would rather concentrate on the football skills. Anyway an old Queen like you probably burbles on in Polari to your old chums and Merchant Navy pals down on the dock side.

  25. Bard

    Nov 23, 2016, 12:35 #94913

    Yes big Raddy, that brings back memories. Top player and would have excelled in the modern game. The Theo issue isnt complex. He is fast no doubt and he is streaky on the goal front. but he isnt a winger, he doesnt have much game awareness, he cant cross a ball,he cant defend and his control is patchy. My point is that if he isnt scoring he is a passenger and in the modern game you cant carry that unless your Ronaldo or Messi. I think he has come to symbolise everything thats wrong with the current set up. Average players on huge contracts who consistently fail to deliver.

  26. John F

    Nov 23, 2016, 11:35 #94912

    If Freddie was left to play as a central midfielder where he was very effective he would of got more goals,he used to burst into the box to get on the end of pass usually by Bergkamp.Bursting into the box like that is not really the done thing in tippy tappy heaven so Wenger in his wisdom decided to play him out wide which was the start of his obsession with playing players out of position that continues today.One thing for sure Freddie would not of jumped over the ball to avoid a tackle like Wally did at Sunderland.When Theo was at Southampton his coach said of him that he could run through puddles without causing a ripple ,I am never sure if he said that because he was fast or just a bit of a lightweight.Top striker No ,top runner through puddles without splashing yes,hop skip and jump over a football champion he definitely has potential.

  27. Ron

    Nov 23, 2016, 11:31 #94911

    Wear yr colours - staggered that you can even raise the effort to compare the hapless Wally with those you mention, albeit yr speaking of goals scored only (thankfully) and even then in a Wally career decade that has seen defending more or less rendered obsolete and 'illegal' by barmy rules shaped to favour attackers and refs. I am so glad you stopped short of comparing those players contributions to games with the Wally, as you d have been in truly deep water had you have done so. SKG - Lovely points re big Raddy. he had all the tools of his trade didnt he. Power, poise, nous, craft, sportsmanship and game intelligence. He played out such an unselfish career for Arsenal back when it was a real football Club. Would excel in the modern game as he did back then.

  28. Bonzo

    Nov 23, 2016, 9:39 #94910

    Very well done to Leicester and Spurs. A satisfying night in the Bonzo household. Just up to us now to win the group. Up the Gunners! Jamee how did your Kerry Dixon charity night go? Raise any money for Chelsea old timers? How was Alan Hudson's speech? Please enlighten us.

  29. GS

    Nov 23, 2016, 9:10 #94909

    And the Spuds go marching on,on,on ...into Thursday night Football. Always in Our Shadow.

  30. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Nov 23, 2016, 8:57 #94908

    Did I miss the new rule stating the scum must be awarded a penalty every single game? Despite becoming the new referees favourite I am laughing hard at them this morning, they never fail do they, to put a smile on our faces

  31. Paul Ward

    Nov 23, 2016, 8:33 #94907

    Theo is not in the same class as Super Rob that's true, but as his stats show he is more effective than given credit for. The trouble is when he is bad he is very bad, last Saturday being a good example, Let's hope he is back to his best tonight

  32. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 23, 2016, 8:08 #94906

    wear your colours - just putting Feo in the comparative company of those four is akin to a travesty. But then to suggest that he is somehow more effective than Bobby, Freddie. Geordie and the super swede is truly insane. Feo should be judged alongside the likes of Paul Dickov, Paul Shaw, Anthony Stokes and Sanogo if you want accurate analogues. And then, when the wages are factored in, he starts to look a little, shall we say, overrated. As someone wisery said on here yesterday, he needs to be sold expensively to some muggy club who think they can get more out of him than our former manager.

  33. Wear Your Colours

    Nov 23, 2016, 7:44 #94905

    I am not sure why Theo gets so much stick for his stats. When you compare them with other wide players for Arsenal they are very good. He has made quite a lot of subs appearances (probably lasting less than 20-mins apiece) but has scored more goals from fewer full starts than Pires and Ljungberg in the modern generation of Arsenal wide men and is miles ahead in terms of goals scored by comparison with legends from the past such as Armstrong, Rix and Limpar.

  34. Smithy

    Nov 23, 2016, 7:37 #94904

    Finsbury joe - it's a little darker over there in Orc land today. Always in our shadow.

  35. Mad Monk

    Nov 23, 2016, 1:51 #94903

    Giroud is better than Messi and if you don't believe me ask Tony at Untold and you should not be allowed into our country if you have a different opinion to Tony even if you have been democratically voted the President of a country (that would also mean banning all American citizens as they voted for him)

  36. mbg

    Nov 23, 2016, 1:45 #94902

    ArseneKnewBest, well said, will we be getting a circular, audit, or a rose tint anytime soon on 100 or even 200 assists ? I wonder how many meaningless players are in that club ? with TOF's tippy tappy i'd say everyone of his little technicians could be in with a shout for a trophy there, even cech, I bet they'd even give their messiah some for all those times he's thrown the ball back after we were awarded a throw and went on to score from.

  37. GS

    Nov 22, 2016, 21:47 #94901

    The spuds have had their chips, keep your Thursday nights free finsbury joe.

  38. jjetplane

    Nov 22, 2016, 21:46 #94900

    As I remember Monaco are pretty good .....

  39. Paul Ward

    Nov 22, 2016, 21:43 #94899

    Farewell then Tottenham Hotspur, wish I could say it was nice while it lasted, which wasn't very long. Wonder if they'll fill Wembley for the 3rd place play off v CSKA? Thursday nights wouldn't be the same without them.

  40. GS

    Nov 22, 2016, 20:48 #94898

    Breaking news - Nasri loves/respects Wenger , but left Arsenal to win silverware - can you believe that , who'd have thought it . In Wenger we rust.

  41. Seven Kings Gooner

    Nov 22, 2016, 20:05 #94897

    Paul Ward: FYI, I saw a lot of John Radford and he played wide and centre forward long before Henry started coming in from the wings and scoring goals. Radford played alongside Joe Baker as he broke into the team as an inside forward. In our double year John would break wide and send in the crosses for Ray Kennedy. Trust me if JR had played out and out centre forward he would have done the hundred well ahead of Giroud, who never the less has done very well considering he plays up front on his own.

  42. mbg

    Nov 22, 2016, 19:46 #94896

    jj, good point, the circular and the auditor are fighting it out for their own record of who can get the most pointless articles printed (I wonder is there a trophy for that) and now we have rose tinted making a late charge again, not as long drawn out as usual to be fair, and of his two mates, but putting two second, some would say third raters on the same pedestal as real world class strikers/players we've had at this club during it's illustrious history says it all, him an his two mates would get on well, i bet they're kicking themselves didn't get in first.

  43. Paul Ward

    Nov 22, 2016, 19:39 #94895

    Have only seen big John Radford in clips and was very young when watching Stapleton in the flesh but would point out that Giroud's scoring ratio is superior to both of those, think he'd be a deserving member of the 100 club. Remember the stick Stapleton got when he naffed to Man Utd too! As big number 9s go, Olivier is a pretty good one.

  44. Smithy

    Nov 22, 2016, 19:03 #94894

    What are we doing ? Why are we third in the injuries championship table - we only need another couple and we will be joint top. As arsene says we need to judge him over ten seasons and our consistency in this competition is unrivalled. We are number one for injuries most seasons.

  45. mbg

    Nov 22, 2016, 18:53 #94893

    To hold, or have to hold, the cart horse and wally in the same esteem as those other 17 or to have to mention them in the same breath is sacrilege, it just goes to show how far this club has regressed and the joke it has become under wenger. wenger out now.

  46. Alsace

    Nov 22, 2016, 17:45 #94892

    Numbers are funny. If you left Jamerson up front for the whole 20 years of Wenger's reign, would enough goals go into the goal inadvertently off various parts of his body ( mostly his bottom, obviously) to get into the 100 club? If yes then that gives you some idea of why Theo is homing in on the figure. It certainly isn't his prolific goalscoring, but the eons he has spent in the team. Giroud deserves his place in the club. Darth Theo does not.

  47. jjetplane

    Nov 22, 2016, 17:28 #94891

    What about the circular club where Perry is around the 160 mark or most articles posted which has Atwood at the 10 thou mark though most of them are about cod sociology, jiving and having a drink with Walter every leap year when he can get away from the TV studio. Looks like Simon has been working on this one for half a year. Excellente/oh wey/oh wey/oh wey .....

  48. GS

    Nov 22, 2016, 16:46 #94890

    Arseneknew: surely Diaby wins the 100mths out injured award , closely follow by rosicky, RVP & Jack. Rosicky & RVP good players, shame were injure prone .

  49. Arseneknewbest

    Nov 22, 2016, 16:11 #94889

    Why let something as banal as goals scored be what decides entry into the hundred club? Surely the modern Arsenal ought to be measuring players' worth by different yardsticks that more accurately reflect their modern aims. For instance, we'd all be better off recognising the first one to having 100 million in the bank. Or how's about the first one to have graced the PL with one hundred different snazzy barnets and/or beard designs? Or the first one to get 100 tatts with cliched triusms about the meaning of like (in sanskrit or chinese). Or 100 international caps against "talent" like san marino and lichtenstein. No, the winner should be fisrt to get to 100 months out with injury. Frankly Simon, it's completely meaningless.

  50. Website Editor

    Nov 22, 2016, 15:49 #94888

    Ah that reminds me. I have been a bit snowed under the last few days. Time to go and delete the posts of our number 1 troll...

  51. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Nov 22, 2016, 14:37 #94887

    I would happily drive wally to his favoured destination just to get shot of him. He is not a footballer in my eyes and Wengers mystifying persistence with him is one of the main reasons holding this team back. Had we have had a real quality player instead of Wally (who miraculously only seems to come to life when there is a new contract in the offing) then we might well have had the nous to get us over the line in the past when we have fallen short. Giroud is ok in my opinion, good player and a good option off the bench, I hope he gets to 100

  52. Wardy

    Nov 22, 2016, 14:11 #94886

    blinkered ...... an over hyped under performer who hasn't improved since he joined as a 16 year old ...... move over Wally and let the Ox flourish as a wide right midfielder

  53. Torbay Gooner

    Nov 22, 2016, 14:06 #94885

    This could have been written by a ten-year-old it's that starry eyed!

  54. Bonzo

    Nov 22, 2016, 13:56 #94884

    Jamee - when you left your caravan this morning to survey your sugarbeet crop did you remember to unzip Leekey's Gimp Mask?

  55. GS

    Nov 22, 2016, 13:02 #94883

    Almost Jamerson, you nearly had the makings of a good post there, but you went and ruined it by grouping Arsenal with Barca, Real & Bayern. Never mind, good effort.

  56. Nick

    Nov 22, 2016, 11:25 #94882

    How was Ian Wright left out of your reminiscing Simon ? And Cliff Bastin ? 100 goals in top flight football is a REAL achievement yes BUT the RATE at which those goals are scored is the more important factor in gleaning the relative effectiveness of a striker is it not ?

  57. Wear Your Colours

    Nov 22, 2016, 10:49 #94881

    It would be nice if both of them could reach the 100 club before the New Year starts. COYG!

  58. Ron

    Nov 22, 2016, 10:36 #94880

    Walcotts entire Arsenal career has been timid. 93 goals in 10 years is a poor return, irrespective of his years defined as a winger. Hes never been an orthodox winger and he ll never be an orthodox striker. Hes just ....well, hes just Walcott! Sell him in January while his stock is on a slightly upwards gradient for once. Girouds a decent player. Well done to him in such a short time.

  59. Exeter Gunner

    Nov 22, 2016, 10:11 #94879

    This article summed up in a sentence "Theo might reach 100 first... on the other hand Giroud might... on the other hand one or both of them might not." Two mediocrities who symbolise the past decade being celebrated by the author. I wonder why...

  60. GS

    Nov 22, 2016, 9:43 #94878

    The 100 Club, is that the one that used to be in Oxford Street...Not sure point of article, or is it a circular.

  61. Bard

    Nov 22, 2016, 9:38 #94877

    Simon this post is faulty. What matters is goals per game. Wally has scored 93 in 250+games over a 10 year career. Thats less than 10 per season. For a striker thats p*** poor by any standard as he contributes nothing else. Joe Baker scored a 100 goals in 156 games. They cant be talked about in the same breath. Joe Baker was a proper striker Wally is second rate at best.

  62. John

    Nov 22, 2016, 8:40 #94875

    Pointless.

  63. Tony Evans

    Jan 16, 2013, 15:55 #30915

    Johnc - Thanks for your kind words and nice to know I am not the only 'old timer' supporter feeling like I do. You are no fair weather supporter either, just someone who cares about what is happening at Arsenal and can see the bigger picture. Here's looking forward to better times ahead once Wenger has gone.

  64. Johnc

    Jan 16, 2013, 14:46 #30911

    Good on you Tony Evans. I want to come on here and say, as I said once before some time ago, that I love reading your comments and agree with everything you say. You always put it perfectly and seem to be of an exactly like mind as me, as well as the same vintage-over 40 years, since 1968 in my case. What's happened to me is absolutely weird. Until about a year or two ago, I was a fanatical core supporter, albeit becoming disillusioned like many of us. I never missed a game, and would miss family weddings etc to watch Arsenal. I regularly went to away games and home reserve games at Barnet. I would be gutted for days if we lost a big game, and celebrated like crazy if we got a last minute winner. Now, all I can say is I gave up my season ticket this summer, hardly go to any games (I do of course watch them all on telly, though I currently find it boring watching us compared to how I've always felt previously), and at the moment I actively want us to lose, so that Wenger's departure might be hastened (And just maybe Kronke's and Gazidis as well, if I'm very lucky.) Now I'm sure I'll be shouted down by some, and called a fairweather supporter. But I'm just coming on here to give my own genuine experience of what the current regime is doing to an Arsenal fanatic of 40 years.

  65. Tony Evans

    Jan 16, 2013, 13:59 #30906

    RJ - Good luck to you tonight and I hope for your sake that you see one of the better displays from this hit and miss team of ours. I want to feel the passion again but I can not with Wenger at the helm. Defeats which would normally leave me gutted are now always softened because I do believe that each one will be a nail in Wenger's coffin. If I don't care enough about my club losing that's it for me as far as being able to enjoy a victory properly is concerned. It's not a good position to be in and I sometimes wish I didn't care about Arsenal at all, but I can't shake off over 40 years of support, no matter how angry Wenger makes me feel.

  66. RJ

    Jan 16, 2013, 11:31 #30885

    @Wombledin, @Tony Evans. IMO, Wenger needs to go, but if the Board were going to act on fottballing grounds, they would have done it after Bradford (where we fielded a full strength team remember). So I have stopped worrying about this - he is here as long as he wants. So I remain in the "let's win the FA Cup, come 4th in EPL, do as well as we can in the ECL camp" - because I want to see the team I support do the best it can. And I do not want to see Europa League (or heavenforefend CapitalOne Cup) next season in my cup credit. And do not think for one minute that failure to get into ECL next season will lead to a fall or holding of season ticket prices. Come on you Gooners. Here's to a win tonight. I will be there in the cold, supporting my team - I know the Board and Wenger don't care about me, I don't think some of the players are good enough (we are one injury away from Squillaci), but I support what that red and white shirt represents - as do many on here, and I respect that deeply - but I will continue to show my support for the club, not the people or the individuals (except Jack - man, I love you)

  67. Tony Evans

    Jan 16, 2013, 8:14 #30877

    Wombledin - I know what you are saying about hoping Arsenal finish outside the top four. Don't beat yourself up about it because many of us feel the same way - anything to get rid of Wenger. Come on Swansea? I just don't know what to think anymore - my love for the club against my hatred of Wenger / Kronke and my utter certainty that it has to get worse before it can start to get better.

  68. Wombledin

    Jan 15, 2013, 19:48 #30866

    "And therein lies the rub. As long as the stadium is selling out, then there is no imperative to change. If people are willing to pay caviar prices to consume sausage meat, that is exactly what the club will continue to serve up." I think this is what we all fear the most. That even if we drop out of the top four nothing will change. I think Kroenke et al will be content to see Europa League football as long as the stadium continues to be nominally sold out or close to it. Wenger's personal sole ambition now is clearly simply to keep his run going of consecutive champions league qualifications (for the lowest possible capital outlay). He has utterly abused the fans incredible loyalty the last 5 years. His recent piss take statement about signing Lionel Messi shows he completely disrespects the fans. The sheer arrogance of such comments smacks of the disdain Peter Hill-Wood has for disgruntled fans. I can't believe I'm saying it but please God let us finish below fourth this season, please.

  69. jb

    Jan 15, 2013, 17:10 #30861

    Diaby's injury was at the end of September and we were told he would be out for 3 weeks. Now he comes back in the middle of the transfer window so we will be told its like a new signing. God I'd give anything to hear a fresh voice.

  70. tpm

    Jan 15, 2013, 13:50 #30850

    still no sign of goonercolesyboy, maybe hes had hes collar felt for lamping 17 yr old kids at away games!! as for the arsenal situation. its all been said before. the past5 years its groundhog day, no need to go over it again, we all know the problems and how to fix them.

  71. It doesn't have to be this way

    Jan 15, 2013, 8:16 #30823

    Last week Sampdoria went a goal down and had a man sent off in the first half away to reigning champions and league leaders Juventus. Sampdoria won 2-1.

  72. declan burke

    Jan 15, 2013, 7:41 #30822

    NOTTINGHAM CHRIS makes a very good point about potential future fans (customers! ) When will the fans and board who still believe in WENGER come to their senses ? I for one just cannot believe how long this agony is dragging on, and I cannot take any more. This clown and his board are suffocating this club. It is dreadful to watch. Would those of you who call yourself 'fans' please prove that you care about the club and it's future and galvanise yourselves into forcing WENGER and the board OUT.

  73. Knock it long to Raphael Meade

    Jan 15, 2013, 7:16 #30821

    Err....um....oh blimey.....mental resilience? Handbrake off? Jeez, I'm stumped as to what to contribute anymore, even the Groundhog Day references have a Groundhog Day feel about them...

  74. Anna Mary - A fed up Gooner

    Jan 15, 2013, 6:35 #30820

    Wow... what a pathetic display! What the f*** is Wenger doing? I mean the signs are all there... There's unrest amongst majority of the fans, high ticket prices n we keep selling our top players every year, yet Arsene cannot see the problems with this team??? No passion, no commitment & no desire... These have been the hallmarks of this Arsenal. Rvp is scoring goals for fun n we had the balls to sell him. Had Song been there he would have shut shop n let Wilshere n Cazorla do all the attacking. We've been conceding a goal every game... Ridiculous! Wenger stop being so stubborn!!!

  75. DW Thomas

    Jan 15, 2013, 3:12 #30819

    Perhaps the most frustrating thing is that Wenger never seems to learn. Or change. RVP's sale gets more embarrassing with each goal he scores for them. It was not that much to,ask to keep him and he was well worth it. Wenger is like an old friend you like to hang out with based on past memories of good times, yet you know he is just a bad influence now. You go out, stay out to late, get into trouble, then regret it all the next day. Yet we keep coming back for more. We are all mugs, but we love this team and what we once stood for. Wenger's admissions and comments on everything from "team spirit" to knowing Robin would win United the title are crazy. You can't make it up if you tried. We are stuck in the perpetual nightmare of fourth is a trophy. There is no real desire in the club to do better. Jack Wilshere is about the only thing that keeps me watching. What other player do we have with real heart and a winner's mentality. How deflating rooting for this team now is. And no, i don't expect trophies every year, but no we are looking at 8 without one. When all things point to the same reasons we are stagnating, and is no secret. Sell world class and replace with average players. That spells LOSER loud and clear.

  76. JM - LONDON

    Jan 15, 2013, 0:37 #30818

    Not visited the Gooner for a while now, Just as pissed off as everyone else with our 'situation'. The owners are now clearly asset stripping, as in sell the family silver and keep charging the top price at the door, and when we've exhausted that, who knows - administration?. Everyone banging on about £62 for the Citeh billioniares - bunch of *****, as a poor red member I could have got tickets in the upper tier for £89 each plus booking fee for me and my 78 year old Dad, nothing left available downstairs when red opens. Usually now I go for ticket exchange for cheaper downstairs tickets but that don't open until every single last full overpriced ticket in the stadium has been sold (plus booking fee). Somebody recently wrote here that we are becoming Aston Villa?, they may well have a point given they have basically been abandoned by their owners from any investment and left with a youth team who are being destryed every week. Wilshere will go next, mark my words. And lets not get sucked into the euphoria and glory on the club website when Walcott eventualy signs, a total conspiracy that will be milked to biblical proportions by the club. The one player I wouldnt mind seeing the back of will of course stay, it will prove that many, many are brainwashed and the club will carry on 'asset stripping' regardless. Lets face it, Citeh, united or even Chelski dont really want walcott (ok, maybe those buffoons at Chelski might, but not enough for what we want). Managed to get a couple of seats for Wednesday, weather looks like a really cold and bleak evening, seems no one else is going either - good old Arsenal!

  77. Alsace Lorraine De Totteridge

    Jan 14, 2013, 23:45 #30817

    Not much for me to say really having seen and read all the comments. Just think what an injection of spirit and excitement we and the team would get from an early dismissal. Proper coaching for the team and an instantaneous end to the deadening stultifying lack of hope that inhabits the club. It can't come soon enough, but the Manager can only be shouted out. He won't be sacked, so we have to get rid of him - vocally.

  78. GoonerRon

    Jan 14, 2013, 23:10 #30816

    @ Ron - I'm flattered you are trying to impersonate me. We'll have to agree to disagree. I was there and whilst we were incredibly culpable, particularly in defence, I can honestly say that I thought our players commitment, work rate and effort was very good.

  79. 1971 Gooner

    Jan 14, 2013, 22:23 #30815

    I would like to offer a parallel between Wenger and The Beatles. In their time brilliant, revolutionary and hugely influential. They were however very much of their time, and like The Beatles latter music, Wengers teams are dated, behind the times and bereft of ideas, Wenger's gift to me is the best and most successful Arsenal team ever, but its time to go. As Paul McCartney said, "I didn't leave The Beatles, The Beatles left The Beatles. But nobody wanted to be the one who said the party's over."

  80. Theopants Superstar

    Jan 14, 2013, 22:16 #30814

    ChrisDee, Don't particularly care that those on TalkSport are taking the piss out of us, but I DO MIND the Board and manager of my football club doing so!!

  81. HowardL

    Jan 14, 2013, 22:02 #30813

    The stadium is about all that is left.

  82. West Ham Man

    Jan 14, 2013, 21:45 #30812

    Stop whinging Gooners.Us mugs ave to pay grade A price for Reading and the football has been long ball for the last 30 years at Upton Park and your cheapest tickets are cheaper than ours and our manager looks like a walrus.See ya at your manor next week.Ave it,jellied eels,Knees up muther bran,I'm forever blowin bubbles.

  83. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 14, 2013, 21:30 #30811

    n4, yes it's the same problems and excuses for years now and they still haven't learnt and never will.But in fairness to the manager ?? why don't the players demand some extra defensive coaching ? their crying out for extra coaching alright but nobody demands anything of ogl what he says goes.

  84. johnnyh

    Jan 14, 2013, 21:07 #30810

    it really is painful viewing watching arsenal these days, against the top sides in particular. the harsh reality is that everything about arsenal, i.e the manager,the coaching,the medical staff and the players are not good enough to win trophies. a root and branch reform is needed at the club and it needs to begin as soon as possible..... but i wont be holding my breath.

  85. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 14, 2013, 20:08 #30809

    mark from aylesbury,profit mate profit, it's all he, and the rest care about, nothing else.

  86. Nottingham Chris

    Jan 14, 2013, 19:29 #30808

    City played likes winners, niggly fouls to break up play, Dzeko, Clichyy, Barry, wholehearted commiment in the challenge! zabaletta, Kompany, Millner. This Arsenal reflects the manager ie too lightweight. Carzorla will be knacked by the time Munich comes along. Swansea is a massive game now otherwise season over. It's been a slow lingering death but i fear the we haven't yet reached the bottom. The Board is losing a generation of young fans with so little success, that's 7 years worth of customers, i don't see kids in Arsenal or Liverpool tops anymore but i see plenty in Chelski & now City. It's unacceptable for London's premier club to put up such a poor effort

  87. Van de Ed

    Jan 14, 2013, 18:34 #30807

    Supposed 'Arsenal Lite', Swansea City will do us a favour & kick us out of the FA Cup on Wednesday. Then the chavs will complete the demolition mission on Sunday. With no European footie next season, Le Boss to step down in the summer.

  88. Football will eat itself

    Jan 14, 2013, 18:29 #30806

    The bubble is about to burst. Once you start treating loyal fans as customers you are asking for trouble. People will eventually question value for money, as the author has done. This is so far removed from the game which I first fell in love with in the early 80s. £1.10 (under 14s) to stand and have a brilliant laugh on the North Bank. If the game was dire (as it very often was in 1982) it didn't matter. You never questioned your loyalty. Now fans are pushed to the brink with insulting prices. Something has to change or we'll get an unhappy outcome and half full soulless stadia. The people's game has been wrenched from the people and handed to the sort of people who'll be off at the first sight of problems. Much like the Emirates deserters we now have. Don't say we didn't warn them.

  89. CanadaGooner

    Jan 14, 2013, 18:15 #30805

    the players have nowhere to look (and nobody to fear); wenger is now just a ranting idiot who cant get anything right. if he play Mertesacker we'll hack him for it (Kos had a good spell last season), if he plays Kos what you get is what happened on sunday. it's simply time for some changes at the club. it's not all wenger's fault but the reality is that he wont take us any further. he wont be fired, so let's see how low we get before he realises it's time to say goodbye. he made records in his first few years and he will undo all that and make awful records in his remaining years and the longer he stays, the worse those records will read.

  90. Jamie Hunter

    Jan 14, 2013, 18:11 #30804

    Spot on as ever kev, thanks for the article. Well, we had the now customary baffling team selection. Leaving aside the minor detail that Mertesaker has been our best centre half this season by a distance (like being the most famous woman in Algeria I know, but......)surely the genius that is Wenger would work out that City needing a win plus no Aguero equalled Dzeko? And the increasingly madcap Koscielny was never going to hold up against such a big striker. Not without, say, rugby tackling him to the ground. As for Diaby, and i love Diaby or what I can remember of him, his selection smacked of a massive gamble that, had it come off would leave a hand rubbing Wenger telling us how much we didn't need to buy any players in the transfer window. We have always been told how much of 'father figure' Wenger is to his players, so is it REALLY the way to treat a player who is made of balsa wood and has had just a gentle run out for the B team in 4 months? Not very fatherly I would say, and grossly unfair to the player. But then if it suits Arsene, like running his usual midfielders into the ground, all is well. As for the transfer window, I've long been convinced that Wenger is part of The Cartel and is personally gaining from our lack of spending. Put yourself in the shoes of a 7.5 million salaried football manager with around 50 million sitting in the player trading account. Why would you want to sit there watching the club sink further and further down the table? wouldn't you want to at least spend a bit of it to see if things improved? wouldn't you want to do anything you could to try to win things? On Friday he told us how the squad was 'complete'. He has effectively got about 13 players that he deems good enough to take to the pitch. Rosicky can't get off the bench. Arshavin can't even get ON the bench. The team is SIXTH in the table and nearer to the bottom than the top. He is playing a centre forward who can't head a football and is about to become the club's highest earner. Well, thank God the squad IS complete. It really irks me that when David Dein was sacked, Wenger was happy to leave the club. But he's more than happy to stay and watch this pitiful decent to mediocrity. Too much money to be had I guess.

  91. Ron

    Jan 14, 2013, 17:41 #30803

    Gooner Ron - Sorry . My post about your own genuine 'Gooner Ron' post was headed 'Gooner Ron'. I must be going senile! Sorry fella, but still disagree with you!! All part of the fun eh.

  92. au revoir wenger

    Jan 14, 2013, 17:39 #30802

    it seems Bould,like Rice before him is happy to sit there say and do sod all and take the money

  93. billthered

    Jan 14, 2013, 17:36 #30801

    AW picks Diaby after three months out does that tell us we need a big domineering central midfielder,and why has'nt he bought one then as this man is paper thin.Think about it three months out he is telling us what we all know but he still wont enter the transfer market,come to think of it though dont let him spend any more AK FA nowdays.

  94. mickey

    Jan 14, 2013, 17:09 #30800

    arsenal.com advertising arsenal soccer school.."play the arsenal way"..so no defensive coaching for the kids..if our kids are taught the arsenal way god help us

  95. Nick

    Jan 14, 2013, 16:55 #30798

    This is a moot point i know , but just how many free kicks did the obnoxious Mike Dean let us take quickly without having to wait for the whistle yesterday, like i say its a moot point because i dont think theres the speed of thought in the team to take advantage anyway, do they not work on free kicks during training ? id have thought theyd have the time as defensive coaching has obviously been cancelled, how Wenger can go on about the strength in depth weve got when he had a bench line up like yesterdays is beyond me , how many more excuses will he come up with for not boosting a tired squad in the transfer window ?, Arsene its not YOUR bloody money spend it on QUALITY reinforcements NOW !!!!!!!

  96. allybear

    Jan 14, 2013, 16:23 #30797

    Second Best its very interesting what you say about Wengers relationships with other managers. I know that he doesnt have to be friends with them but i have lost count how many times i have been embarrased by his unsporting gestures towards some of them. This is a very poor Arsenal aquad built by one of the most overated managers in the PL.

  97. Graham Hansen

    Jan 14, 2013, 16:16 #30796

    The team let down our illustrious manager yesterday. He is quoted as saying they did not play with serenity. Consequently this led to Kos putting in a rugby tackle. How much time has he got to spend on the training pitch teaching them to play in a serene way until they get it? Shame on those overpaid pampered stars.

  98. John Hawley's Boots

    Jan 14, 2013, 16:16 #30795

    Let's get down to fundementals. We are Arsenal. A proud club with a long and glorious history. I've always felt that being an AFC fan put me a cut above the rest. If we are a spoilt bunch because of our illustrious history then ok, guilty as charged. Many fans would love our heritage and welcome the expectation that we feel every year. We expect to be in the hunt. What we don't expect, what we don't stand for, is players not giving everything they have for the club on matchday. If we don't spend in the transfer window, and we float outside the top 4 for a while, mixing bonkers goalscoring with U.12 defending, then ok, I'm not happy, but for the love of all that is Red, I want my team to FIGHT. Wilshere is racking up the disciplinary points already isn't he? Tells you something doesn't it? And he's not long back in the first team. Someone not afraid to mix it. He knows it comes with the territory in midfield. He KNOWS it comes with the territory when you put on the shirt. I read today that Wenger thinks Fabregas will be back at AFC before the end of his career because the club is in his DNA. But which Arsenal Arsene?

  99. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 14, 2013, 15:57 #30794

    Koscielny is becoming another Djourou thats if he hasn't already a liability, but as we already know ogl has his favorites, his love children, and they'll always be preferred and you can be assured as soon as this liability serves his ban he'll be straight back in.What was he doing starting him ahead of mert anyway ? and i'm not going to mention diaby.Kev we can be dammed sure whatever nice words ogl uses to describe this team, mental strength,focus,desire,commitment, etc,etc,they don't apply, but he'll never use the ones that do apply mediocre,inept,tactic less,embarrassing,no desire,plain and simply just not good enough.Your right kev there's not one person on here who couldn't make a very good guess as to what he'll say not only in pre and post match interviews but weeks/months down the line the same tired old crap.It just shows how tired and predictable himself,the team,the whole set up has become over the years.But do the brandy guzzling fat cats care ? of course not, as you've said yourself, at arsenal money is king and yesterday the fans were singing and the tills were ringing so as far as their concerned there's no need for change.

  100. JOHNNYHAWLEYLOOVINGGOONER

    Jan 14, 2013, 15:03 #30793

    petro-clubs don't get to comment on ticket prices.clubs with a ground paid by the council don't either (40000 in ground before the pay rent)clubs with a history of batty finicial models don't either.( if they were a big club they would of sold the tickets anyway.)that belongs to everton fans, swansea fans and a few others like arsenal who try to live with in a proper plan. who else could afford that hit on mr barndoor?. as seen at liverpool with andy carroll a non petrol club takes a very big hit.the job of city fans is to pay up and look proper because YOU ARE THE REASON PRICES ARE AS HIGH AS THEY ARE!!.oh those of you ,like me, who keep harping on about it feeling like the bad days of the 1980s,the manager according to the sunday times, thinks cesc might come in a year or two. now were we not told that about a player who left to go to italy through the 1980s only to see him to turn up at the end of his days at west ham? yes it is as bad and as sad as we all think it is.

  101. Gooner Ron

    Jan 14, 2013, 14:57 #30792

    With a comment like the one in your post, with all due respect, i can only assume that you 1. Werent there or 2. Cant recognise the difference between players in a team who 'want it' and a team with players 'who might like it if it happens by on a good day' or 3. You were there, but had your sunglasses on. Arsenal were rancid!

  102. Gare Kekeke

    Jan 14, 2013, 14:55 #30791

    We got we deserved from the game, nothing. I’ve never been a Koscielny fan myself. Even before his deserved dismissal, we didn’t start well. As Jaime Redknapp said in the Daily Mail, anyone who doesn’t think Kos got his just desserts needs their heads tested. Every Gooner should also remember that we got our win at the Etihad (nee Eastlands at the time) in October 2010 through similar circumstances. Fans still got behind the team just as it was against Newcastle when we constantly pegged back but then what did we get in return? Total rubbish. Once upon a time, we could win games or give a good account of ourselves with ten men now our players almost give up when we have a player sent off. So much then for our famed ‘mental strength’. Woeful defending for both City goals, nothing new there eh? Also so much for all that pre-season optimism (some may call it nonsense) from the Wenger apologists who claimed that the legend Steve Bould (and will always be one) would improve our defending. And to think, some of these apologists almost dismissed the FACT in the league alone last season we conceded 49 goals. Only Wilshire (not for the first time or last) can hold his head up high from this latest shambles. As for calling for Wenger’s head during games at Ashburton Grove, don’t bother otherwise you’ll get beaten up like that teenager did at Wigan. Having said that, I did hear a few fans singing ‘sack the board’ towards the end. Can anyone tell us what is so good about Kronke? Arteta’s injury is no big loss to me. IMO he’s been found out. Denilson Mk II. No amount of money spent by Wenger would improve the team. The real change has to happen at the very top. But sadly I’m not expecting that anytime in the foreseeable future. Happy days. Up The Arsenal!

  103. Roy

    Jan 14, 2013, 14:53 #30790

    All depressingly familiar,and no, there is no point going over old ground. Our defensive malaise has not so much to do with players that have left, but more to do with lack of leadership. The players that we have are good enough to be doing better than this and that is always a sign that there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere in the management structure. Good shout Dartford Gooner, thinking about it giving Koscielny a go in the midfield holding role isn't a bad call. In this present situation anythings worth a try ( no rugby pun intended ). Unless OGL goes into the transfer market,I fear our run in the Champs Lge is coming to an end, which may not be a bad thing as under the present regime we've absolutely no chance of winning it. I was under no illusions that the squad would suffer somewhat with the move to a new stadium, but how the hell has it come to this?

  104. chris dee

    Jan 14, 2013, 14:44 #30789

    Don't blame the players. It is the frigging manager and the coaches who organise the coaching,fitness and purchase of the players.Don't believe all this nonsence that we need to buy £30 million players to challenge for honours,it helps but is not the cause of the awful mediocrity we are witnessing. There are essential qualities that that don't require money that will win trophies and our current squad collectively lack all of them. Character,bravery,determination,a refusal to lie down and die and organisation on the pitch. Just who,for f***s sake allows such undercoached timid,physically weak defenders to get way with the same bloody mistakes week after week ,month after month,year after year? Still, it gives the muppets on Talk Sport ammunition to continue to take the p**s out of our club.

  105. Ron

    Jan 14, 2013, 14:40 #30788

    Board out. Wenger out. Thats all thats now needed to be said. Save for Jack Wilshere, yesterdays abject showing was all any sane person needs to end the debate and be rid of the deadwood at the top.

  106. Lala Land

    Jan 14, 2013, 14:35 #30787

    Wenger is incompetent and must go. £7.5 mil a season but apparently 'cannot find better' than the bunch of clowns who get schooled by Div4 BRADFORD! In the wrong job Arsene. Sick of him, will not spend a penny on this garbage until Wenger is gone. Hire Guardiola and top players will want to join. Stick with this 8 year trophyless senile old fool, and just watch this club go from tragedy to comedy all in a heartbeat. Just sad and pathetic Wenger is. He has no humility and is beyond sanity. His latest 'Cesc could come back' LOL. Yep I can see him leaving Messi, Xavi, Villa, Iniesta and all those trophies for Gervinho, Djourou, Diaby, Giroud and the virtual 4th place trophy!!!!

  107. Second Best

    Jan 14, 2013, 14:12 #30785

    we are the 6th best team in the league after utd, city, chelsea, spurs, everton. Liverpool will run us closer. But we have the 4th largest balance sheet in the premier league and have had 20 years of stability i.e. we should be much further ahead of spurs, everton, liverpool than we are not. because we have and remain mis managed but an authoritarian frenchman who wont listen to anyone except himself. thats why he is not friends with any other premier league managers because he does not like dialogue. we were second best all day long on sunday

  108. AugustusCaesar

    Jan 14, 2013, 13:56 #30784

    "Apparently Wenger is a nightmare in transfer negotiations" Objection : Speculation. Citation needed.

  109. GoonerRon

    Jan 14, 2013, 13:41 #30783

    Silly decision making from Kos. Poor concentration for the first goal. I must admit though I can't say I agree with those who say Citeh wanted it more. I thought effort and applicationdisplayed by the players, whilst pre-requisites, could not be questionned.

  110. Fozzy's mate

    Jan 14, 2013, 13:33 #30782

    As I have banged on about before, over the last few years OGL has spoken like the team he buys, picks, develops and coaches actually has nothing to do with him. I also banged on about how little he and his assistants (Rice or Bould) coach and cajole from the sidelines in comparison to other managers and coaches. His general line re transfers is that he can't find anyone better than who he has. In that case why don't such a good squad play for him. If and when we slip outsode the clubs utopia of 4th place they do not have the option of upping the prices as they are so high already. People fear they will dip into the mythical transfer fund. MSS says in 2 years time well be rich beyond our wildest dreams whilst OGL says weve gotta keep prices super high to compete. As the funds remain unpsent they may as well be in Kroenke's pocket as in the bank. It's the smoke and mirrors season which starts with us being active in the market, followed by us struggling to find better than what weve got and then injured players returning (normally Diaby and Rosicky) are our new signings. How many said as I did pre-game they were concerned that Kos was starting a head of BFG. Not a surprise as at any opportunity OGL will make that selection. A drifting club, with an ambitionless board and a has been manager who has totally lost his way. Nothing will change until the club is driven further into mediocrity and the stands are half empty v some weird eastern european side on a Thursday night, branded as a category A game.

  111. Tony Evans

    Jan 14, 2013, 13:29 #30781

    Marwoodonthewing - Get behind the manager? What planet are you on? Don't tell me you still believe the drivel and excuses Wenger spouts with such boring regularity. It's fans like you that keep him in a job - hope you are proud of yourself! If you don't like what most of us are saying on this site than don't read it and keep your head in the sand where it obviously belongs.

  112. Red Member

    Jan 14, 2013, 13:24 #30780

    marwoodonthewing - the penny hasn't dropped for you yet has it? enjoy Wednesday night

  113. richard

    Jan 14, 2013, 13:24 #30779

    Well Put “Things will only change when Arsenal fans refuse to pay to see this.” And therein lies the rub. As long as the stadium is selling out, then there is no imperative to change. If people are willing to pay caviar prices to consume sausage meat, that is exactly what the club will continue to serve up

  114. jjetplane

    Jan 14, 2013, 13:02 #30778

    What makes me laugh even more is Wenger talking about how RVP has actually improved as a player since he has gone to Utd. I heard him on the radio which is the furthest I get to a EPL game having been spoiled as a kid watching Arsenal for half a crown and having a giggle. Wenger was explaining how Persie bides his time now ..... Wenger - you are and always have been in the wrong job.

  115. Arsene is a Fraudster

    Jan 14, 2013, 12:50 #30777

    Spirit. Fatigue. I believe. Power. Somebody else's fault. The 4th official. Fans all want Messi. He is like a new signing. Judge me in May.......... when all you do is waffle. When you have become a footballing dinosaur. When you cant give a fig about the fans that pay your very high wages. It's time to call it a day. Have some self respect Arsene, just leave.

  116. marwoodonthewing

    Jan 14, 2013, 12:42 #30776

    Anyone on here or in the media going to mention that you can go to catagory C games for £27? No thought not. The painful mentioning of empty seats continues, its getting boring. Saying that, the clubs mistake re this weeks game is it should be catagory C or failing that £10 and £20 like in league cup games particularly as its on ESPN. Its more depressing reading the comments on here than actually watching the team. The odds are against us but we are at least still in the cup and could still get 4th place. Lets get behind the team and manager if thats ok?

  117. Dartford gooner

    Jan 14, 2013, 11:53 #30775

    Well said Kevin,Koscielny lacks the strength to play in the Premier League. He probably looked great in the french league but he struggles against big strikers, maybe he could do the holding job in mid-field. Talking to the press after the game wenger was asked by john cross of the mirror if the injury to arteta would force him into the market, his answer was can you give me a list of good players who are available! For christ sake arsene earn the millions you are paid or go.

  118. Sarge

    Jan 14, 2013, 11:40 #30774

    Arsenal were stripped bare yesterday for all to see. Every flaw and deficiency was on display. Our season encapsulated in 90 minutes of mind-numbing, formulaic, one dimensional football lacking the basic attributes needed to compete. It's like listening to an orchestra without a conductor - all over the place. Only some wayward finishing on their part prevented that from being an embarrassing scoreline. The utterances of OGL grown more bizarre each day. The latest offering - we are timid at home struggling to overcome the crowd anxiety - who's fault is that? Well I've got news for him. Our away performances ain't much better. I get a great view of our bench from my seat and to watch him through 90 minutes is like watching a crack head go through cold turkey. He's got more twitches now than 'Arry. It's sad and I now consider it a dereliction of duty by the board not to act at the end of the season and go for a mutual parting of the ways. Not only to preserve Wenger's sanity but ours too. The football side of the club is failing to achieve and progress and the core football objective - CL qualification - is in serious jeopardy. This group of players will not accumulate enough points without an improvement of biblical proportions. But then again, can you expect and trust a bunch of wealthy geriatrics to make a difficult yet necessary decision like that?

  119. Silver Gooner

    Jan 14, 2013, 11:40 #30773

    So, the embarrasment of the returned Man City tickets was followed by an equally embarrasing performance from our team. Just how much worse are things going to get? Oh - I know...Walcott is going to be our 'new' signing in the next week or so. His dismal showing against City should have convinced everyone (but Wenger!) that he is simply not up to the job. Even if we go out of the FA Cup to Swansea on Wednesday and loose to Chelsea next weekend, you can bet your bottom dollar that Wenger won't strengthen the squad. The man is utterley clueless. I am so glad I didn't pay £123.50 to watch that game. In fact, I shan't be paying the club a penny to watch any of their games until their is drastic change at the club.

  120. Peter Wain

    Jan 14, 2013, 11:13 #30771

    apparently our esteemed leader says wish you luck in finding a player of Arteta's ability in January. Perhaps he has not heard of Wesley Sneijder?

  121. Wenger Must Go

    Jan 14, 2013, 10:58 #30770

    Am glad I can't afford to go to home matches at the moment!!

  122. James

    Jan 14, 2013, 10:51 #30769

    All too predictable once again we didnt turn up.Carzola has had a poor two months bar Reading.The way things are going Wilshire will be burnt out come March he is the only player giving 100%.The bench yesterday was frightening remember a year ago Wenger said it was his best squad ever!!!.The truth is last year we finished top 4 off the back of RVP without him why would anyone expect us to finish top 4 again.Last great CB at the club was Sol

  123. Guildford Gooner

    Jan 14, 2013, 10:42 #30768

    After watching another gutless and unprofessional defensive shambles I have made the painfull decision to stop attending games until things change for the better.Yes we should all remain loyal to our beloved club but no longer tolerate paying todays high prices to watch a slowly declining team lead by a manager years past his sell by date.

  124. Cambridge Gooner

    Jan 14, 2013, 10:27 #30767

    There were too many things that were obviously wrong yesterday!! Firstly the decision was a joke, but Kos was an idiot for giving Dean the chance to make the headlines he craves, Per wouldn't have done it. Diaby starting the game... What's wrong the Le Coq? Every time I have seen Francis play this season, he has looked energetic and rarely gives the ball away. Diaby looked like an unenthusiastic sunday league player yesterday, understandable when all he's had is part of an U-21 match in 4 months. After the sending off, Wenger elected to take off the Ox.... Alex being the one player who can run at teams with pace, commit defenders and take pressure off our back-line (that which you need with 10 players). Bacary Sagna was selected instead of Carl Jenkinson.... While Carl may be lacking in experience, he is quick, works very hard, is a passionate gooner, and made several city defenders look like mugs in the away game. Sagna looks lazy, careless, clumsy and out of 20 or so crosses last night, managed 1 that beat the 1st defender. Aside from all that was wrong with Arsenal, one of my major gripes is the extent to which referees allow Wilshere to be kicked from pillar to post in every single game with rarely a yellow card shown. Why the FA allow their injury prone star midfielder to be assaulted 10-15 times a game just because he is the best player on the pitch is beyond me! Wenger Out!

  125. Croker

    Jan 14, 2013, 10:26 #30766

    Sam Wallace in the Independent sums it all up with painful precision:- “This was a snapshot of the modern Arsenal. Incompetent in defence, resolute when the chance of victory had already passed them by and ultimately too lightweight to get a victory against one of the big boys of the Premier League.” No amount of transfer cash can correct these familiar failings. Time to change the coaching and management of the Team.

  126. Ronster

    Jan 14, 2013, 10:21 #30765

    Mandy Dodd....were you watching the last 20 minutes? In your own recent words ('Sack Arse-ne What Next' article).......''hoooooooooof!!''

  127. declan burke

    Jan 14, 2013, 10:12 #30764

    I was convinced when the club decided to leave highbury that after that move the club might lose it's identity, it's character, it's passion, it's heart and soul.In essence the ARSENAL i grew to know and love would die. Sadly my gut feeling is turning out to be true. Those responsible must be weeded out as a matter of urgency starting with the number 1 problem - ARSENE WENGER -It's as simple as that.

  128. divaroj

    Jan 14, 2013, 10:07 #30763

    It is heart-breaking watching the degradation of this team. We have all seen it coming and the decline would have been quicker had it not been for RVP's form last year. I hate him and his treachery but can understand why he left when you have a deluded manager who thinks the likes of Gervinho are the answer to building a great side. Why would you want to play under a manager who stubbornly refuses to buy real quality? As for yesterday, my heart sank when I saw Diaby's name in the starting lineup. How can a serially injured player who has been out since September possibly be match fit for a game against opposition of this calibre? My heart sank further when Diaby stayed on the pitch after Koscielny's dismissal. I'm sure the Ox would have offered more, but then again I wasn't really that surprised because that is what this deluded dictator does. A word for Jack though. He fought and fought, never hid, was kicked all over the pitch. If only his team mates could display anything like that commitment. My worry is that he will be run into the ground or injured before long, but who would leave him out with this wafer-thin squad? As for Theo, I want to bang my head against a brick wall! He was virtually ineffectual. He's a luxury player and would be well suited to Man City where he could warm the bench when he wasn't in the mood to play. We need a grafter, a good old fashioned centre forward. But most of all we need Wenger to go. He has run his course at Arsenal but he won't leave unless there's a coup at board level. It reminds me of the dying days of Thatcher's leadership. It took one of her ministers to openly question her in parliament and that turned the tide. Is there anyone there at AFC who has the guts to do that? Thanks for the memories Arsene but you've lost the plot. I'm amazed nobody has yet unfurled a banner at the Emirates saying "Wenger Out!" but if our season gets worse I think it will only be a matter of time.

  129. GG89

    Jan 14, 2013, 9:55 #30762

    The FA cup is the Gooners only chance this season... The stadium should be full against Swansea but a lot of the fans are still blinkered to the reality that AW is past his sell by date... I´m off to a west end theatre for the league games as AW suggested... the one thing he has said right in the last few months. Now that Arteta is injured can we buy cover for the loss of Vieira... 8 years and counting.

  130. Red Member

    Jan 14, 2013, 9:51 #30761

    why were the only banners against ticket prices yesterday held up by Manchester City supporters? If supporters continue to pay for category A games then the prices will remain the same or increase. I also don't blame the club for announcing how many seats they have sold as opposed to attendance in the ground. If you are paying £100+ for a ticket it is a fair assumption to assume that you will attend.

  131. Stevogooner

    Jan 14, 2013, 9:48 #30760

    Apparently Wenger is a nightmare in transfer negotiations? Are these sources the same ones that told you we were definitely signing Jagealka and Cahill?

  132. sparksy

    Jan 14, 2013, 9:46 #30759

    This is going over ol d ground mate. We've being saying it for the past few years now. The Koscielny incident was a penalty but a sending off??? No chance, same as Kompany shouldn't have gone. Mike Dean had a mare yesterday. However, their 2 goals were again for th umpteenth time down to shocking defending. And as we have said many times before nothing will change until the Frenchman goes.

  133. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Jan 14, 2013, 9:42 #30758

    The club are so far away now that any new manager will have to rebuild the team from top to bottom.This is the most average squad we have fielded since the mid seventies and the board and the manager appear to have abandoned all sense of responsibility for the continued demise.If Arsenal are to compete at the top again Usmanov is the only visible hope.

  134. DRG

    Jan 14, 2013, 9:41 #30757

    We only had one player out yesterday, Arteta. How come our bench was so poor. There was no-one there to change the game. I cannot reconcile that bench with Wengers assertions that he has two good players for each position and you cannot have three. To be honest I doubt we have one good player in most.

  135. All I have to do is dreeaaaaaaaaam

    Jan 14, 2013, 9:39 #30756

    Let's allow ourselves, for a moment, to dream of an Arsenal who are capable of keeping it's best players and closing deals on the ones we want. Yesterday's starting lineup, then, might have included: RvP (CF), Fabregas/Cazorla (CAM), Mata (RW), Silva (LW), Song/Alonso/Fabregas(CDM), (wow... a 4-man or 5-man Spanish midfield!) and Vertonghen (CB). Ah well...

  136. Bob

    Jan 14, 2013, 9:34 #30755

    Let's not grasp at straws over Koscielny's sending off. Yes, it did significantly affect the match, but we have materially profited in similar fashion more than once this season (Tottenham and QPR spring immediately to mind) and these things even themselves out. While Kos and our opponents sent off in those previous games probably had to go according to the letter of the law, the law is an ass in this repect. People who pay £62 and upwards for a ticket want to see their team win, but they also want to football played between two teams of 11 men. Sending someone off for the rest of the match should be reserved for only the most extreme form of dangerous foul play. Infringements such as preventing a goalscoring opportunity or two petty bookable offences warrant 20 minutes in the sin bin, no more. On the evidence of yesterday and what we have seen recently, without the early dismissal we may or may not have scraped an unconvincing draw against a team shorn of some of their most influential players (Yaya, Nasri) whom Sunderland beat at home recently.

  137. Gooner Fan

    Jan 14, 2013, 9:33 #30754

    @Moscow Gooner: I seriously doubt Wenger will spend most of that £75M or whatever that amount he has available this January and if he does how do we know it's not players like Santos, Squillaci or any other players (some young 16-18 player who will be on loan for most of his career at Arsenal) who are bench warmers at best? We have seen it time and time again that Wenger will use excuses like he's looking for "exceptional" players and didn't find that player he was looking for or how the likes of Diaby and Rosicky are like new signings, so he doesn't need to buy players. It's all Wenger and not the board or some imaginary force that's preventing Wenger to spends like the pro-Wenger apologists like to believe. Wenger likes to continue his project that he wasn't able to finish when he was managing at Monaco to indulge himself and not for the team to challenge for trophies.

  138. jj

    Jan 14, 2013, 9:30 #30753

    Fair play to the Ed. for managing to put out a report after every game.I don't know how he can motivate himself to keep doing it. Same old,same old.

  139. HowardL

    Jan 14, 2013, 9:23 #30752

    For those who wish to see empty seats, I think we may have reached a 'Tipping Point' with fans of the 'Champions of England' refusing to pay to watch what should have been the game of the weekend. I thought Dean was appalling throughout and spent most of the match booing him; however, having watched the Koscielny incident again it was certainly a penalty and technically a red card too, so an awful decision by Koscielny - pity for the 60000 who did pay and the zillions watching on Sky - it's about time the football authorities cut out the effectively 'double penalty'. I think it's unfair now to criticise individual players as Wenger has clearly completely lost the plot. Arsenal Football Club needs a new manager or this slow, painful decline will continue.

  140. Bard

    Jan 14, 2013, 9:20 #30751

    It beggars belief that we have a defensive legend as no 2 and still produce a defensive display that wouldn't look out of place in a Sunday morning team. We look footballing pygmies ( jack excluded ). Sadly Kev you're right the powers that be will only start to take notice when revenues take a hit. The tipping point has come and gone.

  141. Endless, Nameless

    Jan 14, 2013, 9:16 #30750

    Not much point saying anything about the performance that hasn't been said before. This squad is (on the whole) not good enough. That could be excused in recent years as the fault of a skinflint board. Unfortunately, with a widely publicised and generally accepted £50-100M sitting in the transfer account, if this season does end without the 4th place trophy and we don't make any sigings in the transfer window (which we won't), then only one man is to blame: Vladimir Illich Wenger (see what I did there?). As for the attendance for Swansea, I expect about 45,000. A sign of things to come? - without doubt. I recall sitting in a freezing midweek Clock End towards the end of GG's reign wathcing a turgid 0-0 with Sheffield Wednesday. The attendance that night was around 24,000, about 2/3rds of Highbury capacity.

  142. n4

    Jan 14, 2013, 8:56 #30749

    We are finished!!!! How many seasons now have we talked about the same problems at the club and still nothing changes. Arsene, comes with all sort of excuses but not good enough However, in fairness to the manager why don't the players demand for some extra defensive coaching...that is if they care!!! Unfortunately the only solution is not to go to the games!!!

  143. nomosin

    Jan 14, 2013, 8:55 #30748

    santi gets left off the hook ,but whats he done since the Reading game?maybe he's out on his feet played into the ground or he's another sunshine player like Reyes?

  144. Andy IOW

    Jan 14, 2013, 8:48 #30747

    Our centre half's are a joke. Koscielny is more concerned about wrestling players than marking them. He also did the same thing against Chelski which cost us the points. Mertesacker is so slow at reacting to movement its unbelievable, makes a nice pass though Mr Wenger, well done !!!

  145. Dan h

    Jan 14, 2013, 8:29 #30746

    It could be Koscielny's last appearance in a Arsenal shirt i hear the DDT was so impressed with his tackle he may be drafted to the St.Louis Rams.Totally flat performance Mike Dean awful ref we would be relegated if he took charge of us every week 1 win in 17 under him when refs start wearing coloured boots you have to laugh.We defended without any fight & physically it looked men against boys Gibbs lost a very winnable tackle in the build up to the second goal.OGL was happy with our spirit we lost 2-0 at home barely registered a shot on target it is really declining at a steady rate now.Arteta missing yesterday good player but OGL is overating him if he believes players of his ability are not available on the market.Squad quality must be high as a semi match fit Diaby was picked over other options he was struggling from the start.No midfield options of quality won't be long before Cazorla or JW get some kind of muscle injury Cazorla is running on empty.Still with our money reserves no problem paying the company credit card bills unlike our fleeced fans.

  146. Tony Evans

    Jan 14, 2013, 8:17 #30745

    The club have / are treating fans with contempt - sky high ticket prices but sub standard fare dished out week after week. The club is virtually saying if you don't like it then so what, there will always be another mug to rip off. I just hope we run out of mugs sooner rather than later.

  147. graham

    Jan 14, 2013, 8:06 #30744

    it has come to this im afraid,wenger has his head so far up his own backside that he cant see what he is doing to the club,any body can see this squad isnt good enough,he needs to spend,he missed demba ba ,already scoring for fun at chelsea,he will miss yan m villa because they just wont part with the cash,the squad is so thin of quality ,even santi is looking jadded,its time to spend some proper money or just go and leave somebody else to come in who will

  148. RJ

    Jan 14, 2013, 8:04 #30743

    What is the point of giving Bacary the ball on the wing time after time when Theo cannot head the ball, so Bacary cannot ping in a cross. What percentage of Theo's career goals are from headers can anyone tell me? And can anyone name another centre forward with such poor "head work". Wenger's comments about the team being nervous of playing at the Emirates - when our last home game was a 7-3 victory? Genius.

  149. mark from aylesbury

    Jan 14, 2013, 8:03 #30742

    Interesting view from Martin Samuel this morning virtually accusing the board / Wenger of collusion in UTD's bid to win the title. Now remind me again, if Wenger knew selling Van Persie would hand UTD the title why did he sell him? The only route is to drop out the top 4 and pressurise the boards stratedgy. For us it is simply not to turn up.

  150. Green Hut

    Jan 14, 2013, 7:41 #30741

    Respect to whoever painted WENGER OUT! on the wall opposite The Armoury, nice to see someone willing to get off their arse and do something to try and end this unnecesary, miserable slow decline and move the club forward.

  151. don froth

    Jan 14, 2013, 7:37 #30740

    Guttless and very very pedestrian, the artistry has gone these days and we are a very boring team to watch. Theo is incapable of holding the ball up and letting anyone else join in because ultimately he is a coward and when Giroud came on, he was all huff and puff but showed himself for what he really was, technically he is woeful! During the tail end of the secong half all the berating of the official on every decision summed us up, it was pathetic and just highlighted how desperate we've become! We really let ourselves down.

  152. Marky Mark

    Jan 14, 2013, 7:32 #30739

    Yesterdays display was both toothless and spineless, I counted two shots on target in the whole game !There is a lack of quality right thru the team ( squad ) The other thing that struck mewas the large number of empty seats visible on the television, but once asgain the attendance was 60,00 + !

  153. Der Projekt ist Kaput

    Jan 14, 2013, 7:31 #30738

    LOST: Once proud and skilful football club, answers to the name of Arsenal. Last seen getting into the back of a limo with a confused looking Frenchman and a dodgy looking American wearing an ill-fitting syrup. No money offered for its return, but finder will receive a huge debt of thanks from countless thousands.

  154. Moscow Gooner

    Jan 13, 2013, 21:16 #30732

    Maybe the City defeat will have a beneficial effect if it encourages AW to splash a serious portion of that £ 75 M transfer kitty - but no doubt the ref will carry the bulk of the blame. And of course we still have every chance of carrying off that 4th place 'trophy' - six points with a game in hand is hardly a gap at all at this stage of the season and would be an easy excuse for complacency. But: if we lose at Chelsea next weekend there's every chance that we could be down as low as 9th place in the table; and we re already 21 points behind Man U at the top - and by comparison only 20 points ahead of QPR at the bottom. Effectively we've become a mid table team - that is worth worrying about!

  155. Peter Wain

    Jan 13, 2013, 17:59 #30728

    What another awful performance. Defensivley a compete mess dont blame the ref Koschieny should be shot. Mertersacker should play centre forward as he won as many headers their as on defence - none. How can yoiu be so big and so useless in the air. Midfield abject and Walcott gave a display which makes you laugh at the new contract. How we cannot be in for new players defeats me. Lose on Wednesday and next Saturday and bottom half of the table awaits. Kroenke why dont you just do one