Why Has Ticket Pricing Only Just Become An Issue?

The horse on this one has well and truly bolted



Why Has Ticket Pricing Only Just Become An Issue?

Highbury – £3 to watch Arsenal v Man Utd in the North Bank 25 years ago.


In the week just gone, it would appear that the media finally woke up to the fact that supporters are charged well over the odds just to watch a game of football. They are justified in hitting Arsenal hard regarding admission pricing, but they’re also very selective in their condemnation, considering that every other London Premier League team charges a similar price. And it ain’t just a London thing, as, more often than not, our fans pay in the region of £50 for an away game regardless of geography. The cost for Arsenal fans at Man City this season was £55. Well that was a fair price but - £62? Hell no, that £7 was just too much for people to take.

This debate over ticket prices has come around two decades too late. To use our club as an example, in 1986 a seat in the East Lower at Highbury was £4.50 (with the option of standing in the terraces for even less). In the space of just twenty years, that same seat went up to £39, which was way above the average growth in wages during that time (wages didn’t even triple). In 1995 you could still get in to any game at Highbury for £10. I mention those facts because it’s important to have a sense of history when discussing this issue, and because what I can see football clubs doing is using the sneaky but smart supermarket tactic of perceived cost-reduction. In other words, hike up prices and then put them back down by a fraction and pretend the customer is making a saving. For example, even if Arsenal reduced prices for grade A games by £20, it would still be a rip-off at £42 (not that I think they will do that). The current price of £62 for the ‘cheap seat’ is about £50 more than what it should be, especially when you consider the millions that English clubs generate from television, advertising and merchandise.

I can hear the counter-argument, which is that players’ wages have skyrocketed in recent years; therefore the clubs have to charge more. Well yes, that is true, but it’s no consolation. The realisation that mediocre timewasters like Chamakh, Arshavin and Squillaci earn tens of thousands a week off the back of high admission pricing does not heal the wound. Knowing that’s where the money goes makes me even less inclined to fork out. Many Arsenal teams in the past would comprehensively whip this team today and yet to watch this lot costs so much more.

Wenger’s response to the question of fans paying such a high cost was to imply that if the ground is sold out then the fans must believe it is good value for money. Not only is that arrogant bullshit, which makes zero effort to understand the fans’ true feelings, but it also discounts the thousands of us who don’t go anymore - precisely because of the cost. I was the type of fan who made noise and sang for the team. But I won’t pay that price to follow football, and now Wenger wonders why the crowd don’t get behind the team (which he did moan about after the City game).

In any case, Wenger has a conflict of interest in relation to the question of ticket pricing. As someone who earns over £7 million a year off the back of such charges, he’s likely to defend the culture of football being expensive to follow.

Maybe it’s not too late for things to change. Nothing is ever set in stone. Germans have already proven to English fans that economic protest is effective. In 2010, Dortmund away fans boycotted Schalke '04 because the price had gone up from £13.50 to £22.00. They learnt from us that if you do nothing you’ll pay a very heavy price. Now it’s time for us to learn from them.

Matthew Bazell is the author of Theatre of Silence: The Lost Soul of Football.


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  1. WHL87

    Jan 19, 2013, 1:39 #30997

    JM_London. I wouldn't regret that for a minute :-)

  2. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 18, 2013, 11:46 #30971

    JM_LONDON,i'm not necessarily referring to Dalglish but why be regretful you were just being polite i doubt if fans would use the word penis today.

  3. JM - LONDON

    Jan 17, 2013, 23:06 #30968

    1978, 79 & 80 cost 50p in the school boy enclosure, lower east stand adjacent to the dugout, from here I once called Kenny Dalglish a 'Scottish Penis' at close range as he tromped off at half time while playing for Liverpool - I really, really deeply regret that to this day:( . If you were accompanied by an adult then they could claim you at the connecting door from the school boys enclosure and take you into the North Bank (I obviously had more than a few (mainly brothers) in those days I clearly didnt know about!). On entering the North Bank you were right outside the Arsenal shop, and what a shop it was, a small hut, but brilliantly stocked none the less - any photos out there please?. Yep, 50p, and my Dad used to complain having to pay the same price of 50p for a pint the North Bank bar (bigger issue was that is was a plastic glass as I remember). We rocked up last night (Swansea) and paid cheapest tickets of the season so far, £35.50+booking fee and then had 2 x pints of Tetleys at £8.40. Ha, at 78 years old he had a top night (if a little cold). Just goes to show how far we have gone, sad really.

  4. Gare Kekeke

    Jan 17, 2013, 0:48 #30925

    @ Football started.........I too heard a Celtic fan on radio claim that their win against Barcelona this season was their best ever European win and like you I immediately thought of their 1967 European Cup triumph. Pathetic eh? Overall, a good article. Some food for thought; Barcelona were charging fans £7.50 for their Copa Del Rey Q-Final 1st Leg against Malaga and the cheapest ticket for our FA Cup replay against Swansea was more than 4x than the price at the Camp Nou? You couldn’t make it up.

  5. Ronster

    Jan 16, 2013, 18:37 #30923

    It's about time we gave serious consideration to forming our own club.There are many clear thinking and noble old school Arsenal supporters on this site to make this happen.We would own the club,we would only reward excellence and achievement and we would charge fair ticket prices.Bollox to the Premier and Champions Leagues....isn't it all about returning the game to the working man!? Imagine the pride...imagine sticking two fingers up to Gazidis,Wenger,Walcott and co! Let's do it!

  6. Football started in 1992 with SKY and the formation of the premier league

    Jan 16, 2013, 15:59 #30916

    ... according to many that's their reading of history. Even people in their 40s (ie. JCLs.) I recently heard one claim that Celtic's victory over Barca was the greatest win in their history. They looked confused when I pointed out that Celtic were the first British team to win the European Cup. They tried to claim it was a different competition. What makes it painful is that this guy is actually very intelligent. He's 42, used to hate football, and was oblivious to Liverpool's utter dominance in the 70s/80s. He now enjoys 'footie'. I despair at these types of modern fans who have hijacked the game. I also now of someone at Paris 2006 who doens't even like football. He went to say he was there and probably claimed it was a great atmosphere (yeah, right, it was pants.) Season tickets are a lifestyle accessory to these people. Many own them and deign to show 3 times a season. TIME TO RECLAIM THE GAME!

  7. Rocky RIP

    Jan 16, 2013, 15:04 #30914

    @Pete the first - it was you?! Don't worry, before I could catch my breath, loads had cottoned on and were all joining in. A flurry of fists. @Peter and others - nobody is saying everything was always great in days of yore. There were some dreary days on poorly attended North bank too, and football was seriously dangerous back then. On balance though, in terms of atmosphere and 'match day experience' going today is so poor in comparison. How many people can relate to what WHL87 is saying about being told off for trying to support the team vociferously? Do people like Wenger realise why the support at home games can be so dire? We aren't allowed to actually support the team. @Tom - calls it right. The German model would make life so much better for us fans 1. Safe Standing 2. Greater fan ownership of clubs 3. Cheaper tickets. YES PLEASE!

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 16, 2013, 14:55 #30913

    You can't help but notice the reminiscing of the game in the caption (and indeed others) by the old hands on here, supporters that were there and done it that remember the history of our great club and that's great to see as it should never be forgotten and there should be more of it.Call them what you like but there's supporters at the minute of all ages young and old who probably think arsenal didn't exist then and that's sad.

  9. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Jan 16, 2013, 14:39 #30910

    Guildford Gooner, my dad was at the Fairs Cup home leg as well, and has similar recollections about the atmosphere. He also talked about the North Bank crush, which I experience for the first time as a nine year old on the first day of the 83/84 season versus Luton. Up to that point I'd only been in less than full Aussie Rules grounds, and once in the "Flash seats" in the West Stand on holiday to England a couple of years before, and the experience blew my mind. The only goal I saw that day as a shortarsed nipper was Walsh's for Luton, but I didn't give a monkey's when McDermott scored and the whole end went up, blocking my view, as i'd never had a crowd experience as thrilling as that before. The one thing we could say in the club's favour during the days of dodgy terracing is that they never put the animal cages up. And often quoted point, I know, but at the time it showed me that The Arsenal still did things their own way. Now we do it in the manner of some banal corporate business model, but so does nearly everyone else, so we shouldn't be at all surprised.

  10. Ron

    Jan 16, 2013, 13:48 #30905

    Lots of calls lately for all sorts of stuff, but lets be totally honest guys, the Club that any supporter knew from pre 1992, died in May 2006, the day we left Highbury. At that point consumerism took over and bean counting took precedence over glory and football and thus a new breed of supporter climbed aboard.Its here till its here and i for one hope that the Club(s) get burned (even if it is Arsenal as theyre as bad in their own way as Chelsea and Manch City) and TV gets fed up and pulls the plug on it, both of which will occur sooner or later. Its just a matter of time.

  11. WestUpperRed

    Jan 16, 2013, 13:43 #30903

    Darren Stevens: The ticket prices are not spot on at all. The tickets are not worth £62 but hold that value because enough fans who can afford to go, probably because they could never get a look in at Highbury, take the hit and go. Its alright if you can do that but a lot of people who have been following the gunners for years now cant go regularly due to pricing. The away end on Sunday was over third empy anyway in case you missed what started all this in the first place was!

  12. tom

    Jan 16, 2013, 13:37 #30902

    English football shamed by Germany once again

  13. WHL87

    Jan 16, 2013, 13:31 #30900

    Good article - makes a change from all the so called fans on here who actually want Arsenal to lose games! What the f**k is that about? Agree totally that football generally is vastly overpriced now - and the all round experience is nowhere near as enjoyable as it used to be. The last time I went to Emirates, my brother and I had the cheek to actually get up and shout some encouragement towards our team and got "told off" by a couple of older "fans" in front of us for making too much noise! I couldn't believe it - they were told where to get off in no uncertain terms. That incident summed it up for me. Where is the support? Where are all the old songs? All gone. I'm taking my boys up there tonight - 3 tickets for just over £60. Not bad for this day and age. I might try and get a chorus of "she wore a yellow ribbon" going but I don't reckon anyone else up there will know the words. Up the Gunners.

  14. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 16, 2013, 13:21 #30894

    Rocky RIP,the club got into something like that in 08-09 if my memory serves i donated once myself,i got a photo of the team as a thank you.I don't think it lasted long though i suppose not much profit in it.

  15. Alex Ward

    Jan 16, 2013, 12:41 #30890

    The call for action has been going on for some time, and of course boycotting matches, although probably the best form of action, would be too hard to organise, however, surely a boycott of any merchandise from the club shops, any programmes, any refreshments in the ground, would not be so hard to organise. Two home games with takings down on those and I would guarantee the club would want to talk. Just a thought.

  16. Guildford Gooner

    Jan 16, 2013, 12:04 #30886

    The most electric atmosphere i experienced was standing in the north bank for the second leg of the Fairs cup final in 1970.The singing was at such a volume that your ears were ringing.A great atmosphere but also dangerous as the crowd surged forward with people getting trapped against the barriers.After the game i ended up on the pitch swinging from the crossbar,no doubt i would recieve a lifetime ban for doing that now(if i could still manage to do it!).Yes the all seater stadiums have produced a safer but more sterile environment and also more expensive prices.As others have stated previously we need to introduce areas of safe standing reasonably priced at say £20.As it is certain areas of the ground now stand for the entire game anyway so why not let them do it for less money and then those who want to sit down can do so in areas where people don't want to stand up.I also think that the upper tier is very over priced,it seems crazy to charge more for often being much further away from the pitch.

  17. The day it started to go downhill on the pitch

    Jan 16, 2013, 11:22 #30884

    = The day Dennis Bergkamp retired.

  18. Peter

    Jan 16, 2013, 11:20 #30883

    I was at this game along with 54,000 and the atmoshere was great also at the Everton semi that year 51,000 the Forest quarter final 50,000 and the Millwall 3rd round 42,000 where all the yobs from other London clubs came to fight with Arsenal and the Liverpool league game 55,000 all amazing atmospheres.But I was also at the final league game of the season when 17,000 turned up for the Coventry game,rose tinted me thinks.

  19. Green Hut

    Jan 16, 2013, 11:00 #30882

    @Let the right ones back in....- You're spot on about Paris 2006. On the streets the night before and the day of the game was fantastic, proper lads and proper old school Arsenal created a brilliant atmosphere, but as soon as I got in the ground it was obvious most had travelled without tickets as it was full of the same nerdy mutes admiring their free t-shirts that fill the soulless bowl every other week.

  20. Pete The First

    Jan 16, 2013, 10:26 #30881

    Rocky RIP. Sorry mate I think that was me that punched you in the face - nothing personal. The old North Bank was great fun, but the atmosphere was not always brilliant. The terraces were a throwback to the 1920s, and it was a matter of time before a major incident happened. The prices charged now are way over the top, and could easily be reduced if demand slipped. We're getting close to the point where the stadium will not be selling out regularly, maybe that will have an impact. Unfortunately by chucking away the Season Ticket it seems like you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

  21. GG89

    Jan 16, 2013, 10:11 #30880

    Certainly its bad value, you could do better elsewhere for 62 pounds, thats a night out which, at the moment, is more fun than being beaten by average teams.... I guess the club need money to compete with cash rich Chelsea, manure and citeh... then their fans complain about the club charging the real price to give them some decent opposition and AW keeping at least some of the players.... I wouldn´t pay more than 30 pounds to watch , the gooners at the moment.... loyalty is good but stupidity is unforgivable... support your local club they probably have a sustainable model as well and its not so predictable...

  22. Knock it long to Raphael Meade

    Jan 16, 2013, 9:00 #30879

    Funny, isn't it...I remember us chanting "what a waste of money" after the Walsall fiasco in 1983....plus ca change....

  23. Tony Evans

    Jan 16, 2013, 8:27 #30878

    Rocky RIP - I remember me and my mate were down at the Clock End when McClair blasted that penalty over and I can not remember celebrating a missed penalty more. Happy days and miles away from what we have now. As you say though we know what we are missing in terms of real atmosphere and although we were lucky to be there at the time it makes going to a game now a real anticlimax, especially when you consider the money we have to stump up now. Not that I do much anymore.

  24. AvenellRd

    Jan 16, 2013, 7:56 #30876

    @Mark Rice You got it spot on. I'm also a father and instead of taking my boy to Arsenal, which I simply cannot afford anymore, we've been going around London watching lower league clubs for £25 or £30 and we enjoy it. He will probably grow up supporting one of those teams but I'm actually ok with that idea. In 10 years time there will be NO working class supporters at Emirates. And what's the point of supporting the club if you cannot go and watch them play on regular basis?

  25. ppp

    Jan 16, 2013, 1:47 #30875

    lee afc asks a very good question. We keep all the good players we've recently sold and give them the wages they asked for. The ticket prices go up accordingly. Do you still buy the ticket? If we were at the top of the league or at least challenging would anybody care half as much? No they wouldn't. I accept the press and brainless northerners will slag off Arsenal for ANY reason but high ticket prices really takes the biscuit. It's obviously the fault of overspending clubs paying out massive wages willy nilly. Any club that wants to even halfway compete has to up their wage bill or lose all their players. You can't just pay a wage bill out of thin air. The Man City supporters who stayed at home - that's fair enough. But the ones who took a pathetic banner into the ground? We should charge them double next time just for being so f***ing stupid! Yes we might have a bunch of passengers on middling money wasting everybodies time - but that's a different argument and nothing to do with the real problem... Man City and Chelsea are trying to kill English football - and for what? A few trophies no genuine fan even counts as real?? It's lunacy and clubs like this are storing up a lot of ill feeling for the future. Man City and Chelsea's histories died when they were taken over - they no longer exist and their current bastardised incarnations should be dimantled before any serious change can occur. The real fans deserve this sort of action. Will it happen? Of course it won't, it's much easier to blame a soft Southern club for charging too much money to all those poor, dumb Northerners...

  26. Mandy Dodd

    Jan 16, 2013, 0:54 #30874

    Man city fans , supporters of one of the most artificially subsidised teams on the planet complaining about money issues...makes me laugh....just hope Noel and Liam can still afford their separate boxes home and away

  27. CT Gooner

    Jan 16, 2013, 0:14 #30873

    Excellent Oscar, just what I was thinking. Of all the folks to complain about 65 quid, it was the city fans, who by rights should be paying 90 quid a seat at home! No way to justify how Arsenal tix are as high as they are, but for some strange reason there's still a waiting list???

  28. Rocky RIP

    Jan 15, 2013, 23:15 #30872

    Plenty of discussion on @arsenal_tickets (a good source of cheaper/face value tickets) about whether people would be prepared to donate their spare tickets to local school kids/charities. Properly co-ordinated it could really work. It's just a shame the club don't seem to value these kind of touches or show this kind of class any longer. Maybe it's not too late.

  29. Jaygooner76

    Jan 15, 2013, 21:23 #30871

    Well said and those that argue the toss are wearing the usual blinkers to the fact that the average fan is being priced out of taking his family to games. Which in turn will create a new life long fan base, football has become a enjoy now and worry About later business.

  30. It's better down the pub where no JCLs can tell you to ''siddown!''

    Jan 15, 2013, 21:20 #30870

    @LeeAFC - for any true fan, watching Arsenal has never been dependent on chances of success. It's ingrained; a way of life. It has however become dependent on prices. £90 a game for a restrained, oppressive, pathetic excuse for an atmosphere is ridiculous, title contenders or not.

  31. Rocky RIP

    Jan 15, 2013, 21:05 #30869

    I was also on the North Bank that day when 'choccie' blasted it high into the crowd. The place went absolutely potty. I got punched (accidentally) by a stray fist in all the excitement. People who never stood on the North Bank are so lucky, as they've no idea what they are missing. for big games, you could hear the noise as you approached from Finsbury Park. You left games with your ears ringing with the noise. You felt like you'd taken part in something. People arrived atleast an hour early and very few, if any, scattered for their vital 6th to last train on 80 mins. fans tended to get on, today's JCLs who are now late 30s/40s, HATED football back then, and it was cheap.

  32. Dan

    Jan 15, 2013, 20:58 #30868

    AFC pre-the new stadium was the best value going. In the 80s with only a student grant I was able to see 15 or so games each season, hell in the 70s my paper round was enough. We were cheaper then both Spurz and Chelsea, but now its just about fleecing the fans into paying for the stadium, without the owners putting in a dime.

  33. lee afc

    Jan 15, 2013, 20:20 #30867

    Ok...for arguments sake.... we kept fabregas on 150k a week, van persie on 200k, song on 100k, nasri on 100k, clichy on 100k etc.....the wage bill goes up and so do the ticket prices to say around £90 a ticket.. we are then possibly in the running for the premier league...WOULD YOU STILL PAY THE PRICES??????

  34. GoonerDAVE

    Jan 15, 2013, 19:34 #30865

    I was there the day the Nigster squared up to Mcclair,great days,great atmosphere,great team spirit,Highbury was rocking,the only thing missing was Nige chinning the snidey weasel.

  35. billthered

    Jan 15, 2013, 19:07 #30864

    Lets get one thing straight youngsters coming to matches these days are accompanied by their parents,when I was very young I used to go in the east stand schoolboys entrance paying six old pence two and a half in todays money,and that particular stand was invariably full.You will not get youngsters on their own because they have to be accompanied by parents to get into the family enclosure,slowly but surely greed has killed our club and it's going to get worse.Also singing at the games has become less and less because of this.The golden goose will soon be dead forever.

  36. John Hawley's Boots

    Jan 15, 2013, 18:42 #30863

    Bit of 'a la recherche du temps perdu', but with all this doom and gloom, for anyone else who was in the North Bank that day against Man U, HAPPY DAYS! Seconds after McClair blasted it somewhere over the Stroud Green Road, Bernie was in his face. Good times......

  37. Empty seats v Swansea?

    Jan 15, 2013, 18:12 #30862

    Very likely. Arsenal need to do a bit of 'brand repair' and show some gestures of goodwill. Such as giving away all those spare tickets to local kids or other worthy causes. The ticket exchange scheme needs to raise its game. People need to be incentivised to pass on their season ticket if they aren't going. Too many empty seats is a ludicrous situation. There are loads who would love to go to a game. Possibly their first. The average age at Arsenal is mid 40s I believe. Where are the next generation of kids? Our future diehard fans?

  38. Ronster

    Jan 15, 2013, 17:08 #30860

    N12 Gooner....better still pay a fiver to watch the Arsenal Ladies play honest,skilful and winning football at Borehamwood FC

  39. N12 Gooner

    Jan 15, 2013, 16:45 #30859

    Come up to Wingate & Finchley for a tenner. Watch players, playing for their love of the game not just to line their pockets. Few ex Arsenal trainees at the club also.

  40. Let the right ones back in before the game eats itself

    Jan 15, 2013, 16:42 #30858

    Paris 2006 - the biggest game in Arsenal's history. The fans - a mixture of proper fans, fans who paid ludicrously over the odds on ebay and indifferent corporates who frankly had no right to be there. Denying people who'd spent their lives waiting for this game a ticket. All wrong. The resulting atmosphere - very disappointing, even if we had won. Compare that with Copenhagen 1994 where every last Arsenal fan there was 100% Arsenal. The atmosphere - brilliant, unforgettable. My point - I detest how proper supporters have been priced out and replaced with tepid and unsupportive part-time spectators. Football has ended up with the fans it deserves and will now suffer.

  41. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 15, 2013, 15:38 #30857

    The ticket price is to much alright especially to watch (and listen)to the same old rubbish,and same old mistakes,etc,week in week out.But try telling that to wenger as you say Matthew he's that arrogant he wouldn't admit it he thinks their playing great stuff and showing great desire and mental strength and well worth the ticket price.The linesman getting in on the debate at full time,and it being broadcast on motd certainly would have put a few noses out of joint upstairs but do they care ? not if wengers response is anything to go by.

  42. John Abrehart

    Jan 15, 2013, 15:23 #30856

    It's not just us. I sincerely hope that these mild questions and mini protests will lead to an unstoppable revolution against the way the loyal fans are being treated. Television coverage is the No.1 suspect to my way of thinking. I had a ticket for the Swansea away cup game and due to the amount of driving that I do, I was looking forward to a relaxing train journey. It was a Sunday game and it was impossible to get there from the North Midlands in time for the kick off. In any case, as happens on Sundays, what with engineering works and bus replacements etc, the journey one way would have taken 5 hours with at least two changes. Travelling from a London terminus, we are better off than others but Newcastle v Southampton and Norwich v Swansea games on Sundays with kick off's at 4-00pm are a joke with no consideration to the travelling supporters who get home in the small hours with work the next morning. If we must have Sunday games, I consider that there should be one kick off time, 2-30 pm so that fans can get to the games and get back at a reasonable time and sod the Sky's and ESPN's of this world, whoever they are.

  43. JCLs are unwittingly killing football, and they don't even know it

    Jan 15, 2013, 14:57 #30855

    I agree with this article. (That Mclair penalty! Great memories. The NB celebrated like it was a goal, mental scenes.) It's been coming. Clubs will effectively charge what they can get away with. Far too many proper fans have been priced out. Treat fan loyalty with contempt and it will eventually bite you on the ar** as is happening now. Treating fans as customers was the most ill-advised move ever in football. Customers will demand value for money and offer a dwindling 'brand loyalty'. Hard core fans have been marginalised and we invited in the fickle corporates, tourists and JCLS (who sit on their hands, never sing and are happy to report someone vociferous): the last ones in when it became fashionable, the first ones off when it goes wrong. Deliberately alter your fanbase and you're shooting yourself in the foot. Chickens coming home to roost for greedy clubs. I'm just surprised it's taken this long.

  44. smee

    Jan 15, 2013, 14:57 #30854

    As a pensioner, I have been priced out of watching Arsenal. I would love to watch them more often, but **** happens. I will still be a gooner till my toes turn up.

  45. Peter

    Jan 15, 2013, 14:39 #30853

    Clubs normally set their prices by demand.Look at the following figure. ARSENAL 43,000 season tickets 47,000 waiting Total= 90,000 LIVERPOOL25,000 season tickets 39,000 waiting Total= 64,000 TOTTENHAM23,500 season tiickets30,000 waiting Total= 53,500 MAN UTD 51,000 season tickets 0 waiting Total= 51,000 MAN CITY 36,500 season tickets 0 waiting Total= 36,500 NEWCASTLE30,000 season tickets 0 waiting Total= 30,000 CHELSEA 25,000 season tickets 0 waiting Total= 25,000

  46. fozzy's mate

    Jan 15, 2013, 14:15 #30852

    I saw the writing on the wall after the Taylor report. Before that the average at any ground was £3-5 to stand and £10-15 to sit.It didn't take a genius to work out that the price of the cheapest entry would double overnight did it. Following that the next biggest factor was the Bosman ruling. A player on a free with no fee enjoys far higher wages, so everybody wants more and so on. Nobody would be complaining if we actually spent the eurozone bail out fund on the team, its the continous smoke and mirrors that we don't like from MSS and OGL. We need the extra money to compete, well no we don't as we trouser rather than spend it. Thats the issue. People say we moan. If your paying a fiver to watch a loal pantomime you don't expect the same show as at a west end theatre. Hence rightly the consumer demands more.

  47. Peter Wain

    Jan 15, 2013, 14:08 #30851

    Yes James it is down to Man City and Chelski for paying £50k plus per week to our squad. Whether they are worth that or not is down to Arsene Wenger but any of our first squad will be on that kind of money as we are a CL club and have to pay the wages associated with that position. Without the Arab and Russian money wages would be lower- they have driven up the wages and this affects all clubs. So it is hypocritical of Man City supporters to complain about ticket prices.

  48. Oscar

    Jan 15, 2013, 13:43 #30849

    I find John & Tim's comments spot on. It is incredibly appropriate that this case actually happened with Man City supporters; they cannot afford there team and are subsidized by a foreign state government. To even be in the same general vicinity (30%-40%) of compensation to City, Arsenal has to make money through traditional business sources. In sum, City supporters should be complaining to their club's owner.

  49. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 15, 2013, 13:02 #30848

    Nothing will change until people stop funding this money-go-round madness fuelled by the love of their club but also by those with a vested interest in telling the mugs how brilliant football is, when we really know that it ain't all that compared to years gone by. Yes, that's you, Sky Sports and you, Talksport. As long as the mug punters keep putting their hands in their pockets, it will never be any different.

  50. Red Member

    Jan 15, 2013, 12:53 #30847

    James has said it all really - if the fans continue to renew their season tickets then the rip off will continue. Stan Kroenke will never invest in the club and will never leave the club - he can't believe his luck. If people continue to pay category A prices then they will keep going up. Personally I don't pay Waitrose prices for an Asda product.

  51. James

    Jan 15, 2013, 12:51 #30846

    @PeterWain So its all down to Chelsea and Man City why we pay Squillaci Santos Diaby Rosicky Bendtner Chamakh Denilson Ramsey and Gervinho over 50k a week.We pay them that much to compete

  52. kdmgooner

    Jan 15, 2013, 12:41 #30845

    We have been paying these prices all season but it takes a set of away fans to protest before anyone takes any notice. We should be encouraging other away fans to protest too whilst we can do the same at their grounds or better still at our own. Good to see many empty seats on TV last Sunday, the easiest and best games to target are the cat A games. I am a silver member and I now refuse to go to any cat A games other than the Spuds and I also generaly only attend Saturday games because I am also fed up with being messed about by Sky TV. I never buy anything in the ground and I dont go near the club shop. This will continue as long as this greedy board are in place and our clueless manager continues to make lame excuses for what is the worst squad I can remember since the days of Terry Neil. I love this club and cannot stop going altogether but if we all start to take measures like these then maybe it will have some effect.

  53. Tony Evans

    Jan 15, 2013, 12:23 #30844

    I would love to see some sanity come in to the Premier League in general. Transfer fees, player salaries and ticket prices are unbelievable, especially to an older Gooner like me. Something has to happen to end this madness and I wish it was the FFP rules coming in next season, but although they are well intentioned, they will not be rigorously enough enforced I am sure. I just don't know what the answer is because as long as punters keep paying up and the stadiums are full nothing will change.

  54. Peter Wain

    Jan 15, 2013, 11:59 #30843

    The reason that our tivket prices a re so high is that Man City and Chelski particularly inist on paying below average players like Milner and Baryy highly inflated salaries beyong their true worth. Their owners are happy to lose £200 million+ but they drive up all wages and this causes our ticket prices to be much higher. The Man City and Chelski fans cannot have it both ways if they are prepared to lose money then the competition have to try to compete in the only way they can through away ticket prices. As for the criticism of Arsenal this is just another example of the bad press we get.

  55. Ferguson: Now how about £3 million for Walcott?

    Jan 15, 2013, 11:53 #30842

    what did he say just before he said that .......? only £24m for RVP. thank you

  56. VP

    Jan 15, 2013, 11:47 #30841

    Here’s the problem; the wrong people (Glazidias) are being are being rewarded for the wrong reasons, while we have to pay higher ticket prices so that this can be achieved. Allowing for our owner (Kroenke) to not invest a penny so that he can continue to add ranches to his ever-growing property portfolio. Why is it that the only salaries at the club that are benchmarked to industry standards are of the ones for the people up top? … aren’t people sick of our custodians not spending a penny and making significant share price gains in the process? I’m beginning to feel the frustrations in respect to our manager also. I’m not one for change for the sake of change, but in this instance I am. As much as I respect what he has done in the past the club is need of the ‘fresh pair of eyes’ effect. He has become too familiar to his role and to others around him , and hence why obvious deficiencies are being over looked time after time. He is now in a position to undertake his own annual appraisal (this I have no doubt) due to the power he’s built up over the years. There is a reason why the best performing institutions regularly change personnel-precisely to avoid familiarity threats such as these. This would not be a problem if he exclusively concentrated on running the football team (i.e. Sir Alex), but as soon as he starts playing part time director there becomes a conflict of interest in respect to his fiduciary duty to us the fans.He’s Kroenke’s ultimate servant, a convenient political instrument used to deflect owner/board scrutiny and to legitimize the club’s pursuit of Long term shareholder wealth. This is the only reason why he is not being pressured by the board despite being 21 points behind Man Utd in JAN. Ultimately, the club needs to start realigning their interests with that of the fans, and I do not see this happening with Wenger at the helm. As much as this hurts me to say, I believe that it’s in the public interest for him to step down.

  57. Attendance Versus Paid for Tickets

    Jan 15, 2013, 11:37 #30840

    lets all at least push for transparency of ATTENDANCE FIGURES V tickets paid for. it is important that we all see the very obvious FALLING ATTENDANCES........

  58. Ron

    Jan 15, 2013, 11:25 #30839

    It is a rip off but the modern game generally, TV as well as the Clubs create a mix that has led to these prices. It isnt all avarice on part of the Club. It needs demonstration by the fans. It will works if enough stay away, im sure. If the football was exhillarating, not much would be said i suspect by our fans, but its a poor product now and i for one only now go occasionally, if ive not much else to do. Ive no sympathy for those Man C fans. They celebrate following a Club who are responsible for the daft costs of football as much or more than any other while theyre winning and their own Club charges not much less for us away fans. PS Mike Dean should be brought to book for his encouragement to Man C players to go tho their fans. His comments implied 'there you go lads, ive done my bit to get you your vital away win, now go and whoop it up with your fans and while your there, mention my contribution wont you !'. The red card and pen were justified. Dont get me wrong, but his own overall dismal performance made things easier for City than should have been the case. Hes a f-----g ar-----e and always has been.

  59. chris dee

    Jan 15, 2013, 11:04 #30838

    When you have players like Squillaci,Mannone,Fabianski,Denilson,Bendtner,Chamakh,Arshavin,Djourou,Park,Rosicky who have sweated blood and put their bodies on the line for the club while winning so many trophies,the cost is worth it. Ten players on an average of,let's say conservatively,£30,000 a week,that's only £1.2 million a month ,that's only £14.4 million a year,that's only £28.8 million over two years.An absolute bargain. Just think where we would be without these players.

  60. James

    Jan 15, 2013, 11:00 #30837

    Our fans only have themselves to blame.Every summer that season ticket renewal hits the mat they cant wait to fork out nigh on a thousand pound minimum on it.Remember a couple summers again the board had the cheek to raise prices by SIX per cent in the middle of the worst resession in 80 years.Yet what did the fans do? did they refuse to pay it? did they **** they paid up like sheep.The club will continue to charge sky high prices as long as their are mugs who will pay them.I gave up my ST at the end of the 2007/08 season and i have never regreted it since.One day the penny will drop that we are no longer a football club

  61. Paul Thomson

    Jan 15, 2013, 11:00 #30836

    Good article on a topic that has at long last come into the media spotlight. I paid £87.50 to sit in top tier of Clock End for Spurs match in November and a friend of mine was in shock when he saw the price of my ticket. With the money mad (incoming not outgoing) policy of our current Board I dont see any other option than an en masse widescale boycott of a selected match making things change.

  62. Bob

    Jan 15, 2013, 10:42 #30835

    It's absolutely correct that the war against extortionate ticket prices was effectively lost 20 years ago. It was lost when David Dein, among others, eagerly seized on the open goal provided by the recommendations from the post-Hillsborough Taylor Report and drove through 'social engineering' in the form of an all-seater stadium with a shiny new North Bank funded by a Bond Scheme. For a few years punters were given a discount, and when that ran out the eye-watering price hike was masked by the last 'golden era' of football with Henry, Bergkamp, Pires and co. Now our fans (sorry, 'Gold Members' and Club Level Members) are paying the highest prices in England, and arguably the world, to see second-rate players without any realistic prospect of winning trophies.

  63. Peter

    Jan 15, 2013, 10:40 #30834

    There are 5 Cat A games (£62)8 Cat B (£35.50) and 6 Cat C (£25.50) in the premiership this season at the Emerites.That makes the average price for away fans approx £39.31.Which for attending the the most state of the art stadium in the most expensive City in England although not great is not bad either.Consider also that Arsenal are usually cat A away from home and our fans have to fork out over £50 to visit hovells like WHL, SB, UP, QPR, CC, and MAN CITY who are the only club up north who charge over £50.

  64. North Bank is now a Bank

    Jan 15, 2013, 10:26 #30833

    Arsenals tickets are most expensive because we have to pay for management + board which earns more money than any other management + board. Wenger is not worth £7mpa. absolutely no way on earth. That would make Fergy worth £15mpa as he is twice the man(ager)that Wenger is. Fergy created a dynasty; a club that never lowers its standards. Arsenal are a joke in comparison

  65. Nilz21

    Jan 15, 2013, 10:21 #30832

    More worrying is the communist like policing at the emirates where democracy and freedom of speech protesting is out down! Referring to the man city fans who had to take down their banner in protest at ticket prices. I've have attempted to go to the stadium with a 'David Dein ' banner and had the same response, no one complained about it obstructing the view, in fact I was cheered on by everyone. The club clearly does'nt like any sort of dissent towards the board or manager. Shocking Behaviour

  66. Bard

    Jan 15, 2013, 9:53 #30831

    An interesting post. I get the Club bit but there is an argument that Arsenal are caught in the blowback from the astronomical transfer+ wages being paid by Uts, Citeh and Chelsea. If RVP earns approx £200k per week that equates to roughly £10m a year. Over a 5yr contract it will cost Utd in the region of £75m ( transfer+wages ) to have him there. These figures are crazy and only able to be funded in Citeh/ Chelseas case by owners funding it all. Their largesse keeps the ticket prices down. I read today that Citeh made a net loss of something in the region of £400 ! What do you think Chelsea are going to offer Falcao ? I'm not supporting the ticket pricing madness at Arsenal but the argument is more complex and I don't think the club are solely at fault.

  67. Mark Rice

    Jan 15, 2013, 9:44 #30830

    The frightening situation for me as a father of two small boys is there is no way I will be able to afford to take them and they will not grow up a died hard Arsenal fans but more likely Crystal Palace or Charlton where the 3 of us can go for for £40 or less for all 3 rather than £120 each to sit upstairs. This has to have repercussions on the long term future of the size of our fan base as I just don't know where future arsenal fans will come from? 

  68. Cambridge Gooner

    Jan 15, 2013, 9:35 #30829

    You make some very good points. I would passionately back the idea of a mass boycott! Although I realise this makes me a hypocrite; as someone who periodically moves around the country, when I get the chance to attend, despite my various conflicting emotions, I still find it very hard to pass up. Masses of fellow gooners moving towards the ground, the chatter, the songs, that's what this club is about - Not what the scum in charge are making us into. Soon questions like "Why is Wenger starting Diaby?" will be replaced by "Which is the team in red then?" and "Where are the prawn sandwiches?". I would love to see a line up of Henry, Bergkamp, Pires, Vieira, Fabregas and Ljungberg play against the defence we have today.

  69. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Jan 15, 2013, 9:32 #30828

    Very good article Matthew! But without wishing to downplay your well researched points - we've known about this for years. Surely the time for direct action has more than arrived? We need to protest long and loud against all of the chancers running Premier League clubs. We CAN change things but only if we organise ourselves and show our anger, in public, when the cameras are watching. The alternatives are to put up with being lied to and ripped off or just walking away. Never forget that we hold most of the aces - we just need to get together and use them wisely!!

  70. Almunia is a clown

    Jan 15, 2013, 9:31 #30827

    I won't pay more than £35 to go football for the last few years, even clubs like Bolton & Blackburn were charging £40 for Arsenal supporters a couple of seasons back. Hence my regular trip to Wigan £20-25 over the last 5 years, I even go in the home fans section if I can't get a ticket!! At least Wigan want my custom, they sent me an email special offer £60 for three home games before Xmas, Arsenal, Liverpool & Chavski!!!!! Been in the new stadium once in 4 seasons, just go some aways IF the tickets are £35 or less, that rules out most Arsenal home & London away games & many northern matches. Before someone calls me a traitor I have been following The Arsenal since 1969 all over the country & Europe. Time for fans to draw a line in the sand, what's yours? Grade A £62-126, if you can't get a cheapest £62 seat what will you pay,?

  71. Tim

    Jan 15, 2013, 9:22 #30826

    I think it is a joke Man city fans are complaining, there match day tickets would have to be 150-200 pound each if they tried to balance there finances.

  72. John

    Jan 15, 2013, 9:19 #30825

    I agree that ticket prices are way too high. However, it is a bit of an easy target. The problems in football go much deeper, IMO. Imagine how high the ticket prices would have to be at Chelsea or City if they were not allowed to make losses? £2,450 for away fans? I think we need some radical changes in ownership rules and financial demand for clubs. You'd hope that the £62 saga is going to trigger some action from FA/Uefa/Fifa Who am I kidding....

  73. Darren Stevens

    Jan 15, 2013, 9:13 #30824

    The prices are spot on, if they were not the stadium would be half empty.