West Hammered

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West Hammered

Podolski: Unstoppable strike


It’s a pleasure to write about the kind of Arsenal we want to see, and the spell at the beginning of the second half of last night’s game against West Ham was exactly that. This is what the Gunners are capable of and something that we have seen all too rarely this season. The players at Arsène Wenger’s disposal are easily better than those of most of the teams they face in the Premier League. Too often, they have failed to confirm that when it matters, but let’s just be grateful of the reminder that they are able to put lesser teams to the sword.

It was a whirlwind of goals that left the visitors just wanting the game to end. It was frankly strange to see a Sam Allardyce team being taken apart in this fashion, but it couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. The first half had seemed somewhat bitty to this observer. In spite of there being two goals, there seemed little in the way of any kind of pattern except the ball moving around and moves eventually grinding to a halt with a tackle or a misplaced pass. It was pretty even with the Hammers’ opener a reminder of the problems Arsenal have with set pieces, with nobody remotely near Collision when he lashed in from the edge of the box. Still, Lukas Podolski’s equalizer was something to behold, an unstoppable shot. There is an article in the new issue of The Gooner which went on sale last night that expressed the view that the player is wasted out wide. He certainly drifts in whenever he has the chance and sometimes to devastating effect. He is poor in terms of covering his full back, and this has created problems over the course of the season. The obvious solution would be a change of formation, but that isn’t going to happen. It’s strange how the manager buys players and then tries to make them fit the system rather than – if he is going to retain the same formation – recruiting players specifically for a role. Of course he believes in the intelligence of a footballer to be able to adapt, but if a player is not willing to graft, then you run into problems. So the suspicion is that we will continue to see Podolski contribute going forward, but little will change in terms of Arsenal’s vulnerability at the back on the left hand side.

However, West Ham had serial misser Ricardo Vaz Te up front, so the home fans could rest easy. Another of the breed, Marouane Chamakh was ineligible for this game but had a stinker against QPR by all accounts. Big Sam sure knows how to collect them. Arsenal’s finishing, on the other hand, was much more clinical and the 12 minute second half flurry of goals put paid to this as a contest before the unfortunate injury to Potts left the visitors with ten men. The attacking continued, although the intensity of the contest was predictably lesser due to the time taken to remove the stricken player from the field. It’s fair to say the Gunners could have had more.

So once again, a game of two Arsenals. Sluggish before the interval, much improved after it – as with Swansea last week and Chelsea at the weekend. Why can’t they start matches as they seem to begin the second? Maybe the manager has found a way to deliver a half-time team talk that makes a difference. Who knows? The transfer window has a week to run and it now appears that Mohamed Diame is almost certain to strengthen Arsenal’s defensive midfield options. Whether there will be any further of the necessary arrivals remains to be seen. The club are still in contention for the coveted fourth place trophy but will need to put a run of some kind together to take it. And consistency has been an issue all season. Let’s hope last night’s convincing win provides a springboard for a decent sequence of matches to put some impetus back into a so far disappointing campaign.

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  1. mbg

    Dec 04, 2016, 2:02 #95275

    GS, yes mate great performance tonight from the players and well done especially Sanchez what would we do without him, in a class of his own tonight indeed (so one wonders what he's doing here)it's funny how we always seem to say that about just one of our players who always gets wenger out of the dung, (what would he do without them) and no doubt he'll end up going/doing what the others have done (for a profit of course) as for TOF learning, when he doesn't learn from an embarrassment what chance of this, this will just tell him and his little technicians there's nothing to learn, and they'll go out again like strutting peacocks and of course the inevitable will happen. You can bet Bilic and his players will learn from it and Bilic will make sure they do unlike the old fraud we have.

  2. GS

    Dec 03, 2016, 23:41 #95274

    mbg: wishful thinking I know, but Wenger not learnt much in last 12 yrs and I'm hoping the penny has dropped, that you look at winning performances and try to replicate them . We live in hope , that said, a great performance tonight from the team & Alexis unplayable , world class . COYG

  3. Bonzo

    Dec 03, 2016, 23:07 #95273

    Carry On Wengo :- A delightful slapstick comedy starring our favourite AKB's how many years can he go on! Wilfred Bramble - plays old man Colesey Christopher Biggins - plays Jamee "the man with the caravan" Derek Nimmo - plays the Reverend Brian Badarse Charles Hawtrey - plays Leekey Hattie Jacques - plays Jamee's long suffering wife

  4. mbg

    Dec 03, 2016, 22:49 #95272

    GS, learn from it ? don't be silly mate, that question has been asked for fourteen years now (and indeed we've even been told from TOF and his players that we will and have such is their lies and spin) they never do, he never will, west ham rolled over tonight and TOF will think there's nothing to learn and just keep doing the same until a decent team comes along who knows how to play us and wont/doesn't roll over. wenger out

  5. I love my life

    Dec 03, 2016, 21:49 #95271

    Gonna be funny in May when you lot have to look at your balls the size of peanuts. Ooooooooo tooooooo beeeeee aaaaaaaaaaa gooooooonaaaaaaaaaa.

  6. Paul Ward

    Dec 03, 2016, 20:21 #95270

    Thank heavens for that, and thank heavens for Alexis Sanchez, another superb display friom our best player. Hope the manager accepts 2nd spot in CL group and leaves all the big guns in London this week, need to buitd on this result and performance next Saturday,

  7. GS

    Dec 03, 2016, 20:05 #95269

    Happy days leeky is back allo, leeky is back . No negatives leeky , good win 3pts end of . Now jog on and finish the washing up . Don't forget the bins on Tuesday .

  8. mbg

    Dec 03, 2016, 20:04 #95268

    Don't be fooled TOF just loves this competition (league cup) it's another way for him to put two fingers up at fans who try and influence him, those who want him to try and win it, and who urge him to pick a decent team, the same as signings when the windows open with who and what they'd like and want, and who they'd like and are vocal about, TOF listens to nobody, is influenced by nobody, takes advice from nobody and just loves doing the opposite with a smirk on his face which says up yours. wenger out.

  9. Bonzo

    Dec 03, 2016, 19:59 #95267

    Leekey - we know Jamee is obsessed about testicle size, as you have had his gonads stuffed in your face are they any bigger than normal? My betting is they are shrivelled. Leekey ! Are you there Leekey? Tap if you are trapped we can't hear you!

  10. Leek fc

    Dec 03, 2016, 19:58 #95266

    Mr W has been here 20 years. He won't be holding his breath upon your comments GS. "Learn from it" ?????? Mr Wenger doesn't need to be told from fools like you. WENGER MUST STAY

  11. GS

    Dec 03, 2016, 19:48 #95265

    Top performance , 5-1 could have been 10-1 - more please - learn from it Wenger . Only 1 player under performed but who cares . 5 goals -3pts - happy days.

  12. Smithy

    Dec 03, 2016, 19:29 #95264

    Good result - didn't really expect that!

  13. mbg

    Dec 03, 2016, 18:19 #95263

    jj, your spot on there, I think TOF would hate to win it, it would really piss him off, if we were winning or hanging on to a lead in the quarters or semi final he'd be s******g himself and it wouldn't be in case the opposition scored. wenger out tonight.

  14. mbg

    Dec 03, 2016, 17:53 #95262

    An early Xmas present tonight please, wengers Resignation.

  15. Paul Ward

    Dec 03, 2016, 16:04 #95261

    Need to pull our finger out today, do not want to be six behind Chelsea, even at this early stage. Not sure why Wenger has thrown poor Carl Jenkinson under a bus so publicly, find it hard to believe Gabriel will do a amuch better job myself, don't get that one at all. Still, slaughtering your own players in the media along with mismanaging players injuries is a well known recipe for success, as Arsene has proved these past 10 years.

  16. jjetplane

    Dec 03, 2016, 14:26 #95260

    Talk about Arsenal catching Chelsea on a bad day .... Chelski looking the best bet now at this early stage and with my indifference to Brand Asano I am really enjoying Costa and laugh about the way spineless little AKBs rabbit on about such players. The bloke is the real deal and a delight to watch. Wonder how Asano will do at Citeh? Wow! 10 men Citeh ... Football is elsewhere while Asano keep the business model ticking over Zzzzzzzzzzz .....

  17. Exiled gooner in Portugal

    Dec 03, 2016, 13:43 #95259

    Let's be honest progressing in the league cup would not propel this team on to greatness. We have won two f.a cups in recent years and cannot say we have seen any noticeable change in desire, still the same bunch of overpaid prancing team of bottlers when the going gets tough, then when fourth place is secured and no possibility of winning the league they start to play again!! Until changes happen in the boardroom and the zip fiddler goes we will continue to be nothing but the laughing stock of football. Making money for the syrup wearing yank and his yes men. The great Herbert Chapman must be rolling in his grave. All of them out and give us our Arsenal back...

  18. jjetplane

    Dec 03, 2016, 13:33 #95258

    Quite clinically Wenger has a default compromise that he knows his team cannot win this cup or indeed trophies per se and that the business model of being in touch with the market leaders is the most successful way for the club. Wenger does not do football but does do economics and that is all this club sadly is. Other market leaders are not so limited but have football people in place to ensure they are competing. Wenger is post competition and this has been the downgrade for a dozen years. Like any careerist he has crowned it all a success and the media have helped him by being a soft touch to a horribly soft club. I say to people now I was an Arsenal supporter and saw a lot od them from the 60s to the 2000s but I say with Wenger there i treat the club like any other PL brand. Yes - i laugh when Arseal lose now because i would rather see this accountant humilated and never to be near Arsenal again. It really is a tragedy- This ****wit has killed our club! Anyway - Citeh are one up lol!

  19. Seven Kings Gooner

    Dec 03, 2016, 12:00 #95257

    Quite simply, a two legged semi final would get in the way of points in our quest to finish fourth. A far cry from that pulsating semi in 1987 which set George Graham's young team on it's way to becoming champions. As many have said for years now, if you can't see what is in front of you then AFC deserve every penny they can filtch from you in whatever way possible. I actually think the club have broken footballing rules by deliberately throwing a cup tie - if not a rule, most certainly the spirit of the game has been debased.

  20. Nick

    Dec 03, 2016, 11:02 #95256

    As I expected we were dumped out of the ELC unceremoniously by Southampton! After all if we had we won this tie we were still a two leg match away from a Wembley trip and a possible trophy obviously nowhere near close enough for Wenger to get excited about the prospect of winning the one domestic trophy which is absent from his cv ! He as expected picked a totally miss matched team leaving out all our heavy hitters and those on display performed poorly ! Ah well Wenger obviously cares not a whit for this competion asked if he regretted the changes made he said no his only regret was the result, now this type of defeat has happened with clock like regularity in the league cup and every time bar one for the same reason TEAM SELECTION or in other words due to the manager ! I believe that winning this cup could be and has been to others a filip and a confidence booster which can lead to bigger and better things ! Still as ever this seasons trends are following those of ALL that have preceded it since 2004 ! So I do not expect it's final outcome to be any different to seasons gone by either ! Wenger is paid a fortune to see such trends and do his best to alter them to ensure a different and better outcome but every season pans out exactly the same with a monotomous langour with only ONE reason for its doing so the man who has orchestrated said litany of disappointment since the heady days of the invincible side WENGER !! It's a sad truth which applies to us all that age diminishes our powers we still think we can do all that we used to in our youth but our bodies tell us otherwise our minds to tend to become set in our thought patterns and CHANGE becomes abhorrent to us which could explain why our mangers refuse to contemplate doing things any differently, I believe we must all except that change is inevitable and a change of our helmsman is long overdue! !

  21. mbg

    Dec 03, 2016, 3:37 #95255

    Mad Monk, great post, yes there's some who still think it's always somebody else's fault, (you couldn't make it up)from the tea lady, to hillwood, rob the chef, the ref, ball boys, etc, etc, but never wenger the waste of space, thank fook a lot of fans are prepared to tell it as it is, the truth, and tell it often, and not afraid to, and will keep telling it until this old fraud is gone, you can only hood wink so many into believing, and thankfully their regressing in numbers as every day goes by. wenger out.

  22. Cyril

    Dec 03, 2016, 2:57 #95254

    Ron, on the 333-1 formation. The ova geezer from the dark side understands it. He plays in effect a 424 formation with a high press. Citizen Kane is like Sanchez in truth. He goes wide and then drops in for a 1- 2. Danger boy is Erikson as he nits it together. Pochettino learned from Biesla. Time to think gooners!,,,

  23. Greg38

    Dec 03, 2016, 2:15 #95253

    Simon Rose, akb extraordinaire..

  24. Wobby Wotten

    Dec 02, 2016, 22:47 #95252

    Yep. So it's agreed. Bell end Bonzo is a bell end.

  25. Bonzo

    Dec 02, 2016, 19:53 #95251

    Redshirtswhitesleaves - that was the thing wasn't it a fantastic servant of the club who I also looked up to. Who then went completely toxic. I sometimes wondered whether he thought he was going to get a job in the Arsenal management structure and then got very embittered afterwards. It might explain the oddness of his behaviour. I also forgot about the Fergie love in.

  26. CORNISH GOONER

    Dec 02, 2016, 19:40 #95250

    Simon, hate to tell you this but the words OPTIMISTIC & REALISM don't generally go well together - certainly not in the fantastical world of Arthur Webster. But I detect a note of gentle rebuke for OGL in your article. Is this to ingratiate yourself with the majority on here who have had more than enough of the man's tenure or have you experienced a genuine moment, if belated, of conversion from the cult of Wengerism?

  27. Brighton Gooner

    Dec 02, 2016, 19:02 #95249

    Wouldn't it be refreshing if TOF actually fielded his strongest team in both domestic cups, with the serious intention of winning them? We all know we haven't a prayer in the CL and top 4 is the best we can expect in the Prem so why not actually try to win something we are capable of and actually give the fans a lift? Oh of course I forgot the club doesn't give a s**t about the fans. So it will be the usual groundhog day, humiliation in February in CL and the usual slump in the league. So boring!

  28. mbg

    Dec 02, 2016, 18:44 #95248

    Bonzo, Redshirts, that's what you get for saying the right things about OGL and his regime, that's what happens and how your rewarded for being a wenger luvvie, expect bouldy to step into a similar role when the time comes, maybe DOL is pushing for a shoe in for the top post, all it'll take is some more curtseying and boughing and saying the right things at the right time, like when we're embarrassed by some team coming out with, the team let their manager down today speech, that could swing it, it's certainly not going to go to anyone who has said any different or spoke their mind and told the truth

  29. jjetplane

    Dec 02, 2016, 18:19 #95247

    Must have missed something with Santi turning into one of those rock legends who rise above us through absence. Basically he had a good game against City sometime ago and it appears he never recovered from being called the best midfielder in the modern game. Since then he has to date made a few passes, flicks, smiled a lot when hitting stanchions with a Benny Hill type volley (or was it Dick Emery) and now sleeps peaceably in a space capsule orbiting the err Ramblas. Which brings me on to the man man who was bought to glue this flimsiest of projects together. Step forward the scourge of Bulgaria (you have to see that goal ....) who likes to suck his thumb when he is not sleep walking on the pitch. But the AKBs want Jack back and he can smoke and drink all he wants as long as he covers til Santi (hush ....) returns to earth ...... Good thing it's only the Hammers next who are just a little bit unpopular with Atwood and the errrr lads ....

  30. Bard

    Dec 02, 2016, 18:13 #95246

    Simon do I detect a touch of wobbishness in your piece ? If so power to your keyboard. Two issues arise for me. The attitude on wed stunk. It doesnt matter what team Arsenal put out it is a basic that we put in a proper shift, thats what they get well paid to do. On Wed we didnt turn up not for the first time I might add. Secondly it is pure arrogance that Weng thinks its beneath us because we have our eyes on bigger fish. What bigger fish might that be. CL? No chance. The Prem? No chance. We are capable of winning the FA cup or the League cup but thats it. I notice suddenly Santi's absence is akin to Barca being without Messi, do me a favour. Onwards and downwards.

  31. mbg

    Dec 02, 2016, 18:11 #95245

    ArseneKnewBest, good post, some of these chief AKB's just still can't admit what they've been seeing for eleven years now, and more importantly can't admit the cause of it, Sad people, just wait until the next manager comes in they'll be the first to tell us, in their silly meaningless blogs, audits, and circulars, as has been said before they actually deserve wenger, unfortunately the proper fans who care and with ambition are stuck with him too. wenger out.

  32. Roy

    Dec 02, 2016, 17:20 #95244

    Wengo is well past the peak of his capabilities that he can pay the LC lip service thinking that he can win the Title or the CL. And what's worse, it didn't take a genius to work out that there was a very high probability we would lose when the teams were announced. Saints may have made 8 changes, but unfortunately Forster, Bertrand and Van Dyck would all walk into our team. That was their insurance, and you just knew it would work. We will never progress until the Wengo era is over and whoever takes over is actually held accountable. We are now unlikely to see Santi until March who as we all know is the fulcrum of the team, and in truth we have struggled in his absence. So hold on tight for another rollercoaster to 4th place, and maybe Wengo still in charge next season. Whether that's with or without Alexis and Ozil remains to be seen. Good grief. Wenger out.

  33. Mad Monk

    Dec 02, 2016, 17:07 #95243

    It's all a conspiracy made up by the media we haven't really got injury problems we haven't got useless player's we haven't got a clueless manager we weren't lied to about moving to a bigger brighter stadium to compete with all of Europe it's the ref's fault it's Sky Sports fault everyone who played under GG it's their fault you lot on here it's your fault it could even be Nige Farage's fault or maybe Trump but God forbid anyone dare whisper the truth and the wrath of Untold will be upon you.

  34. Redshirtswhitesleeves

    Dec 02, 2016, 17:01 #95242

    Bonzo- I didn't know about O'Leary being a club ambassador either, I'm absolutely amazed given his disgraceful behaviour towards us when he was Leeds manager and as you said his treatment of Robert Pires. Talk about biting the hand that used to feed you. I also remember his constant sucking up to fergie and Man ure too during that period when we were head to head with them for the title every season, always complimenting them whilst slagging us off! He can f*** right off if you ask me, I no longer recognise him as ever having played for us and I was a big fan of his as a kid. Surely there are far more deserving ex players worthy of that role, I can think of countless ones off the top of my head. This club has gone completely bonkers since leaving Highbury, this is just another example

  35. mbg

    Dec 02, 2016, 16:37 #95241

    Win the League Cup win the League ? a bit late with that statement, so that's the league out the window then (not that it was ever in) as usual you've told us nothing we don't already know in your long drawn out musings. wenger out.

  36. mbg

    Dec 02, 2016, 16:21 #95240

    We all know why you thought we should beat Southampton. And you mean you haven't spotted the signs yet? even after all this time ? Do you actually watch Arsenal ? A blind man would see and know (no diss to the blind community)no need to answer as again we know why. But you see we're not a big club and do neither and no only with the league cup and it's all down an arrogant old egoistic manger who only does things for himself an his ego and not the club and certainly not the fans an it's all aided and abetted by AKB's like you, a square man who thinks what he says is important, and someone who thinks he's an auditor and the rest of his luvvies. wenger out now.

  37. Alsace

    Dec 02, 2016, 16:20 #95239

    I should never have said Tapeworm

  38. Bonzo

    Dec 02, 2016, 14:26 #95237

    Surprise of the day, I've only just discovered that David O'leary is an Arsenal ambassador. Blimey the man who ruined his legendary status by constantly slating off Arsenal and kicking off against Robert Pires. We are a forgiving bunch. I'll put my tin hat on now whilst I await some juiced up AKB freak starting a reply.

  39. Peter Wain

    Dec 02, 2016, 13:47 #95236

    the southampton result was hardly a surprise . We could have lost to both Swansea and middlesborough at home. It is the same old season not buying quality and having too few players. Sanchez and Ozil could both go at the end of the season because of rank poor management not only from Wenger but also from the owner to the puppets on the board.

  40. jjetplane

    Dec 02, 2016, 13:27 #95235

    And there was every Tom, Dick saying how Wengo now has the squad to really go for things and yet Simon now refers to the Arsenal back-up as Runts and Nippers. Even if the mighty Mesut were on there he would have been laughed at in the manner Theo is ever since he said defenders are scared of me now. Between the baby rocking, thumb sucking, zip and nose struggle This club is probably worse than last year. Southampton would beat Arsenal in a quarter final anytime and there is a club on a third rebuild in as many seasons which puts Wenger fully in perspective. Should have been moved on before the move to the er new Safeway (geddit!) opening for business. Wank of a club.

  41. GS

    Dec 02, 2016, 13:26 #95234

    Reality Cech : Feel free to correct them, I was giving him the benefit of the doubt for the first 8yrs, its only since we were sold the "pup" of the Emirates that he's been Bloody annoying.

  42. Reality Cech

    Dec 02, 2016, 13:17 #95233

    GS let me correct your stats; 3 PL Titles in 20 years, 6 FA cups in 20 years, No League Cups, No Champs League, No Uefa/Europa cups. Wenger is an imbecile. Useless, devoid of ideas and the ability to organise & motivate. He may see the League cup as a 'free' game but it wasn't free to the poor schmucks that travelled and paid to get into witness that bilge. Sack him immediately and lets move forward.

  43. Ron

    Dec 02, 2016, 13:11 #95232

    Hi Robert - yes, in those days of project youth when he used to filed such teams, win and flash the leathery 'i know best' grin from wall to wall it was only when the other Clubs were fielding even weaker teams or if they didnt, the effort was minimal on their part. We all fell for it though didnt we back then. I was there at Anfield for the 6-3 for eg. I knew deep down that Liverpool had barely put in a tackle or ran themselves out but shut my eyes to that. We were fools. Its fan attitudes like mine back then that has kept Wenger in situ for so long. We swallowed his con tricks and spin, hook line and sinker.

  44. Robert Exley

    Dec 02, 2016, 12:59 #95231

    I never used to be bothered about fielding a second XI in the League Cup. But in those days we actually had a decent second XI

  45. RedPig

    Dec 02, 2016, 12:46 #95230

    Excellent article Simon. Probably the best one I've seen you write on here.

  46. Tony Evans

    Dec 02, 2016, 12:30 #95229

    Watch Wenger play a full strength team next week in the CL in a futile attempt to win the group, when he should be resting players! I wouldn't mind him throwing the LC so much if we had a genuine chance at the bigger trophies, but the cold, hard truth is we don't.

  47. GS

    Dec 02, 2016, 12:25 #95228

    Win the League Cup, win the league title, fair enough ---- What about Win the FA Cup win the league title ?? No, its all smoke and mirrors. The Regime have no desire to win anything in particular , only to top most richest club league. CL we make up the numbers , FA Cup 2 out of 12, league Cup 0 out of 12, PL 0 out of 12. All are just a money making exercise while promising Jam tomorrow....In Wenger we Rust.

  48. Ron

    Dec 02, 2016, 12:10 #95227

    Good article Simon. 'Disdain' sums it up. The fans can change things there if they open ther eyes and find the will to do so. Stop going, stop paying! 4th each yr is the Clubs benchmark. AFC s ambition (i use the word reservedly) starts and ends there. If there is still one fan standing who can see read and hear who now cant see this as an indisputable fact then they deserve to be treated with disdain in my opinion. AFC are an also ran club by dint of their own choice and policy. Its not a surprise that the Club rarely produces and exiting young players. Where is the incentive for an up and coming young player to be there and subject his career to Wenger and AFC? If i had a talented Son, i wouldn't want him going there and it saddens me to say this.

  49. GS

    Dec 02, 2016, 9:06 #95225

    The real issue is Wenger does not treat any of the 4 comps seriously, all of them are just a means to an end. So lets not get to upset about being knocked out of EFL, as further misery awaits while the TOF is still in charge. In Wenger we Rust.

  50. Danish Gooner

    Dec 02, 2016, 8:36 #95224

    Wenger treats this competition with absurd disdain simply because he is obsessed with the League and Cl something he will never win anyway.

  51. Arseneknewbest

    Dec 02, 2016, 8:29 #95223

    Simon - Go on mate, have the pelotas next time to finish an article like this by saying why, why, why this sh*t happens every year. It's a two word answer in case you're unsure. First word begins with an "A", the next with a "W". In the words of the not-so-great Roy Walker, "Say what you see". Stop pulling your punches and put the blame where it belongs for this absurd situation which has made us the laughing stock of football. Wenger must go - it's really not that difficult to say let alone imagine.

  52. Smithy

    Dec 02, 2016, 8:13 #95222

    Great article about ug and um the Arsenal medical cavemen in the daily mail. The bones are falling in a pile and they are just not making an effective diagnosis. "Angry cloud mean 7 days big chief wenger"

  53. manu

    Jan 28, 2013, 12:45 #31280

    Whether arsenal win or loose some people are never happy...it s not about the football but about them..cheer up folks..

  54. Gooner Fan

    Jan 26, 2013, 9:20 #31212

    @Chris: yes, thanks for asking. It's nice that all that tippy-tappy passing actually leads to goals, though shame that we conceded yet another goal on a set-piece. More proof that zonal marking is not working. Anyway, one victory against the all-mighty err, West Ham doesn't mean we should get carried away and forget the horrendous performances before that match.

  55. graham yates

    Jan 26, 2013, 8:03 #31211

    Can't really say this is a turning point seeing as Allardyce decided to field a Hammers reserve team for some reason. Our run in for 4th is favourable but we need probably a further 33 points or so from last 15 games! Potentially possible if we play like we did against WH each week. Then again who am I kidding? I sense a good Cup run in my bones.........

  56. Chris

    Jan 25, 2013, 13:18 #31187

    @Gooner Fan = enjoy the game on Wednesday did you?

  57. Gooner Fan

    Jan 25, 2013, 9:42 #31185

    @Chris: no, what should be better is for us to get carried away with this result and forget that before this match the team only accomplished 1 point in January. Also, Wenger shouldn't bring in any players during the January transfer window because according to the stats, Wenger is overachieving. Not that Wenger can spend, because the big bad board is hoarding all the money and not giving one cent to Wenger. Is that better?

  58. GoonerRon

    Jan 25, 2013, 9:18 #31181

    To be fair I thought we were ok in the first half, certainly a notch up (although not difficult) from the Chelsea and Man Citeh games. Second half was probably our best spell of the season in terms of pace, fluidity of passing and quality of our final ball. Brighton away will tough but winnable, followed by two home games in the league so a good chance to get a run together if the 'second half' Arsenal turn up in every half.

  59. SilverGooner

    Jan 25, 2013, 9:17 #31180

    Good to see so many comments relating to Wenger playing players out of position. It drives me mad as it rarely works, thus making the team weaker for it. Remember when Wenger kept playing Bendtner as a winger?!! And I am sure Arshavin would have benefited from playing centre behind the striker. What an utter waste of money.

  60. Ronster

    Jan 24, 2013, 23:00 #31176

    Nutty's Right Peg....see subsequent comments....Wenger is rightly up there with the Arsenal greats but agree with you his time is up.

  61. Nutty's Right Peg

    Jan 24, 2013, 22:44 #31175

    Ronster - assuming you're not a wind up merchant, given your comments, how about Moyes or Laudrup, or any f@&@ing manager who has a pair and can bring in in some players a la MIchu ahead of the game, and produce a team that plays for each other .We had a bloke like that in the mid 90's, French geezer with bins, whatever happened to him.

  62. EddieK

    Jan 24, 2013, 22:20 #31174

    Enough of this rubbish; Wenger Out!!!

  63. Green Hut

    Jan 24, 2013, 22:18 #31173

    Ronster- And I fell for it! You do make a convincing Cult Of Wenger member though mate!

  64. hopeful

    Jan 24, 2013, 22:16 #31172

    I totallu agree with PPP. I will be happy when we win 3 in a row. Only qualification is 3 prem league wins in a row. So we have one. The next 2 are Liverpool and Stoke at home. Lets all see how it looks then. Hopefully we will have beaten Brighton in the FAC and we may have (its dreaming I know) spent some money in the transfer market by then. Take stock at that point. If its anything less than 2 home wins, then realistically our precious 4th place trophy looks unlikely.

  65. Ronster

    Jan 24, 2013, 21:10 #31171

    Green Hut...I agree with everything you say! Just playing along with the Wenger apologists Chris and ppp!

  66. Green Hut

    Jan 24, 2013, 20:31 #31170

    Ronster- A man who can't find a way to spend anywhere near the many millions available to him is not only underachieving but cheating the fans for the sake of an ego trip. I would have Ancelotti tomorrow if PSG want rid, let's face it wages wouldn't be a problem considering the wedge Wenger gets to win nothing every season. But frankly I just want someone to give me hope, someone to make me enjoy my football again, instead of a man whose ridiculous and unnecessary ultra-conservatism when it comes to money will condemn us to treading water for many more years no matter how many new sponsorship deals we bring in.

  67. Peter Wain

    Jan 24, 2013, 20:28 #31169

    the upside of this result is it increases the chances of our esteemed leader not buying in this transfer window. Given that we are keen on a west ham reserve and a Barcelona striker still recovering froma serious injury I think we should be grateful for this. When are we going to the super super players which Wenger is always talking about but never materialise?

  68. johnnyh

    Jan 24, 2013, 19:50 #31168

    a terrific second half performance and five cracking goals. if we could start games with that sort of intensity we would be pretty unstoppable. here is an idea,what about making jack wilshere captain?,even in all the defeats this season he has been the one shining light. he is the absolute heartbeat of the team and in my opinion as skipper he wouldnt be shy in letting his teammates know if they were not pulling their weight. he can be arsenals version of steven gerard. hand him the armband pronto mr wenger!

  69. Ronster

    Jan 24, 2013, 19:03 #31166

    With the money at his disposal Wenger is way over achieving.Who would you replace him with? Go on give names that would be worthy to step into his shoes!? Be careful what you wish for!! In Arsene we trust!

  70. ppp

    Jan 24, 2013, 18:19 #31165

    I'll be happier when we win three in a row.

  71. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Jan 24, 2013, 18:17 #31164

    That second half burst was like watching Wenger teams of a decade and more ago. Shame the quality of current players and requirement for everyone to be at 100% means that the style of play has inconsistency hardwired into it.

  72. Ando

    Jan 24, 2013, 18:12 #31163

    Agree with Fozzy's assesement I to have been critical of some players including Ramsey, but credit where it is due the team played with more tempo/energy and definately grew a pair for the 2nd half. Hopefully the hapless Diaby has had his last chance if Diame is on his way this should reinforce his exclusion. Now to rid ourselves of all the driftwood on the books can we have a January sale in June and bite the bullet and just get rid of all the remaining dross.

  73. Green Hut

    Jan 24, 2013, 17:58 #31162

    Wenger has been talking up the 4th Place Trophy even more than usual since the Man City game so prepare to be extremely grateful if tottenham manage to throw it away again.

  74. Chris

    Jan 24, 2013, 15:55 #31161

    The team should be ashamed of themselves! Performing like that against obvious no-hopers - they're papering over the cracks and they know it! It would be far more honourable of them to roll over and die, concede half a dozen goals and let every team smash them so they and their so-called manager got the sack they deserved. Until they can win every match and give us fans the trophies we deserve, they can eff off as far as I'm concerned. Is that better?

  75. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 24, 2013, 15:50 #31160

    Is somebody passing round a hip flask at half time or has the tea lady started slipping something in to their halftime cuppa,she just has to start doing it before kick off now.Or maybe the manager has decided to let bouldy earn his salary and take the halftime team talk, what ever it is it seems to be working.A great second half display and some great goals to top it off podolski's in particular and some good performances all round,and it was good to see the walrus get his arse well and truly spanked.It would be great if we could play like that every week/game and players put in the same performance not only against the so called lesser teams like west ham but the top ones as well is it to much to ask ? Go on a run Ed ? We know what happens every time that's suggested,the next cock up comes along. Every thing will be rosy in the garden of arsene now after last nights result and it may be just the excuse he's looking for not to spend any money strengthening a squad that needs strengthening,only for us to,like i've already said revert to type.

  76. Gare Kekeke

    Jan 24, 2013, 15:48 #31159

    A well deserved win and another brilliant second half performance. Any particular reason why we seem to only turn up in the second half these days? Another great performance from Wilshire as well as Giroud & Podolski giving good value yet again. Interesting that three of our scorers last night netted at the win at the Boleyn in October. Superb counter attacking football from us. A real pleasure to watch. It’s a shame these days we’re only capable of a results and performances like West Ham at home against mid-table and struggling opposition. Paul, I agree with your thoughts on Swansea. I’ll add further to your point by stating that Swansea have proved that a football club should not be under the whim of an individual who thinks he shouldn’t be questioned when things go wrong. Swansea are run by an ambitious board whose main aim is the club to grow and like us, they too have moved stadiums but unlike us, they have thrived with it and not use it as an excuse for underachievement. They have also proved that changing managers can reinvigorate a club. Although to be fair, they have lost managers rather than them being sacked. They could have collapsed since the departure of Rodgers and even Martinez but they obviously believe in the old adage of ‘no individual is bigger than the football club’. Good luck to them at Wembley. But if there is to be an FFP for the Premier League, a real success like Swansea will never happen again. As for us, roll on our first trip to Brighton’s Amex. See you all there. Here’s hoping those ball boys will be well behaved. Up The Arsenal!

  77. Red Member

    Jan 24, 2013, 15:30 #31158

    a bit like the hammering we gave Newcastle last month - but then look what happened following that...so can't really read too much into last night's result. Walcott though is showing more consistency, Wilshere IS improving, hopefully the results will likewise continue to improve

  78. billthered

    Jan 24, 2013, 15:14 #31157

    Did anyone notice that after TV5 left the pitch Jack took the armband and it suited him much better than any other captain since Paddy.Wenger take note Jack is our leader put him in charge now I dont care if we demean TV5 hes hardly been an inspiration since taking on the captaincy has he.The other topic about square pegs in round holes,all season Podolsky has come alive when in and around the box and finds it hard to track back to help Gibbs,once again Wenger take note.

  79. jamie hunter

    Jan 24, 2013, 15:13 #31156

    It was good to see an obvious winger like Ramsey revelling in a trial game at centre midfield. In all seriousness I think it was one of his best games for us. Wenger obviously doesn't want to spend the money on a conventional holding player like Gilberto or makelele, but played there I think Ramsey can be every bit as effective as arteta. They are similar players really, no great pace or flair, but nice get-and-givers who don't mind a tackle and dont wish to be the team superstar. Hopefully this will mark the end of wengers potty winger experiment. When you look at podolski's goal and assist return so far, it does make you wonder whether we might be better served playing him as a striker and buying a conventional left sided midfielder? Someone like pienaar or a bennayoun type would be nice, capable of creating but also offering support for Gibbs which has only been the case sporadically with podolski. That said, I think he has been a good signing. No world beater, but scores a few goals and seems to give a ****.

  80. CanadaGooner

    Jan 24, 2013, 14:50 #31155

    it's very painful to see we are now a team that can only make things happen when we get lucky. i will take a series of 1 - 0 victories over 2 losses and a 5 - 1 thumping of a team that doesnt pose any threat to us in the table. i'm sure many would say "give credit where it's due" and the usual nonsense, but with the money these players get paid we should be competing in the league and not turn into an Aston Villa of the 90s. i wont even waste my time re-stating the same things we've all been saying for months now: play players in their right positions, why are we experimenting when we're already more than 21 points behind the lead??!!! ridiculous aint it? we're now so far behind the elite teams that it's quite clear we are a regressing team

  81. Bard

    Jan 24, 2013, 14:43 #31154

    Theo jensen; yes I watched the Swansea game the answer to your question is that they are well coached, have a recognizable team structure and the coach has an appreciation of tactical nuances unlike our beloved Arsenal. They made Chelski look second rate.

  82. Alan Jalzeera

    Jan 24, 2013, 14:41 #31153

    It says a lot about the quality of the PL that we are in touch with 4th position having been so average for most of the campaign. Credit Ramsey last night - he had his best game for us in yonks - after playing in the middle rather than being hung out to dry on a wing.

  83. Tony Evans

    Jan 24, 2013, 14:39 #31152

    Agree with the comments about Ramsey playing in his more favoured position. Why on earth has Wenger messed about so much and undermined so many a players confidence by playing them out of position? The player suffers and so does the team. I wonder just how many points this has has cost us, plus maybe a trophy or two? Also agree with Ron's point about the 'scruffy' defensive spoiling side of the game. Wenger has virtually ignored this aspect for years, much to the team's detriment. £7M a year!!!!

  84. wine boy

    Jan 24, 2013, 14:19 #31151

    A good second half display, but which Arsenal turns up for the FA cup ?. A win that papers over the cracks rather than instills real cause for hope. There is always deadline day to look forward to .

  85. Bard

    Jan 24, 2013, 14:11 #31150

    Good result and encouraging to see Rambo playing well but until we put a run together I remain unconvinced. As usual we went a goal down in the first 10mins its becoming a dangerous habit.Kev you touched on an interesting issue. What's with playing players out of position. Its not been helped Rambo being played wide right and it did for Ash. We paid £15+ m and then play him as a winger and wonder why he's ****e. Buy a wide man and play the german up front and maybe we will get more games from him like last night. Maybe that's too simplistic for Wenger. Good to see Giroud get a couple he's a bit of a donkey but he puts a shift in and seems to care.

  86. Adrian Wagenaar

    Jan 24, 2013, 13:52 #31149

    What I noticed was how much better Ramsey looked playing in his best position rather than out on the left. Now if we could do that with a few other players we would at least have a far better balanced team. Jack drove the team on, as he has tried to do in all the games he has played in season, and is my Mr Arsenal, just as Frank, Tony & Patrick were all those years ago. We really need to get right behind this inspirational player because he is "old school" when it comes to playing for his club and he reflects what I expect from all Arsenal players.

  87. Ron

    Jan 24, 2013, 13:38 #31148

    Good win. Changes nothing.It just reinforces the widely held view that Wenger has a squad that only plays when it fancies it and only then when the opponent lets them. As to Diame 'strengthening' anything, i'm not so sure. PS Ramsey did OK as the teams scuffler and general 'get in there' dogsbody. Thats not to be disrespectful either. All teams need one aka Peter Reid in the 80s Everton team. Trouble with us, is that all the players for the last 6-7 years have been brainwashed by Wenger into thinking theyve got to become silky skilled creators. Even that clumsy idiot Song became deluded enough to think he was the new Zidane in waiting, when he was far better or at least passable as an 'ill get it and give it' scuffler. Theres nothing at all wrong with 'doing scruffy' Ramsey lad!

  88. Theo Jensen

    Jan 24, 2013, 13:36 #31147

    Oh another thing I wanted to ask: what did everyone think of Swansea's performance against Chelsea last night? I watched the whole thing and thought it was an absolutely superb, virtually flawless defensive display- kind of depressing comparing that with the goal we conceded on a simple second ball (well attested to be key to West Ham's attacking...). All well and good outscoring the opposition but when you see the price of the Swansea team and compare their collective ability off the ball to our lot it does even more to question Wenger's defensive coaching.

  89. ALEXTHEGOONER

    Jan 24, 2013, 13:35 #31146

    Paul; I second your congrats to Swansea. The key to their success is a series of intelligent and imaginative appointments made by the board. Rather than running scared when a manager leaves for fresher more lucrative pastures they have improved the teams potential by the next appointment. Not once but at the last count 3 times! Thats what you call a well run club. Very limited resources but making the most of them with great aplomb. Can you trust our board to do the same? We have a climate of fear at the prospect of losing Wenger. Not only amongst the clueless board but also among many of our fans. As much as I enjoyed the result and the goals last night we are still in the slipstream of real honours. As I stated in a previous post the real discussion is what happens after Wenger? With the present board I worry for the future.

  90. GG89

    Jan 24, 2013, 13:27 #31145

    5 against spurs, hammers and reading, 6 against southampton, 7 against newcastle thats more than half the goals in this seasons league campaign in 5 matches... When the confidence is up its up when its down its one goal at best Vs Chelsea or ManUre etc etc etc.... Therefore the team doesnt believe its good enough and fourth place is like winning as AW keeps telling us.... maybe that´s the problem 4th place is not good enough the top three are beatable and the gooners can play well if they are given the right motivation... AW out... bossy, bullying and winner in...

  91. Tony Evans

    Jan 24, 2013, 13:23 #31144

    As a one off it's great - though for Arsenal's long term health it could also be argued that a result like last night is damaging because it takes the pressure off of Wenger. Also it changes nothing because we all know that the next insipid performance is just waiting to happen. Perhaps that will not be the case this time but I think we all (apart from Wenger) know it will be.

  92. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Jan 24, 2013, 13:22 #31143

    I didn't watch the early morning Melbourne broadcast for the first time this year, and this is what happens....I think I should miss a few more...

  93. Spike

    Jan 24, 2013, 13:22 #31142

    Credit where it is due for a good second half performance, not forgetting that West Ham recently beat Chelsea (who we appear light years away from beating) and were a slice of Fergie time away from knocking Manure out of the cup. Shame to see the same old issues in defence - all looking at each other as the opponent siezes on the second ball in acres of space for the goal, Sagna's poor headed clearance leading directly to a one v one from 5 yards - and I guess we are all resigned to the fact that these will never be addressed under AW. However, the pace and passing in attack was what we have been lacking in so many games and if you cannot enjoy counter-attacking football like this then you may as well not bother. Nice to see Ramsey playing ij the correct position and doing very well - more of the sajme please!

  94. Paul

    Jan 24, 2013, 13:08 #31141

    West Ham's last away league game they lost 3-0 at Sunderland.We beat them by 4 goals.This result meant as much as the Newcastle result.And the same comments you made then are made today.The Arsenal that beat Newcastle went on to take 1 point out of the next 9.And these inconsistent results will continue as long as Wenger is in charge.Also congratulations to Swansea a team without the resources and wage bill of us did what we couldnt do v Chelsea this season and are on the verge of winning a trophy.Thats what you call good management

  95. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 24, 2013, 13:08 #31140

    Let's not get too carried away shall we....whilst the win and goals were very welcome, the fact that every goal in that 2nd half came from a move down the left, benefiting from the acres of space behind because West Ham's right back strangely decided to go AWOL doing for the first 15 mins of the second half. That surely won't happen too many times from now till the end of the season

  96. Stevesam

    Jan 24, 2013, 13:08 #31139

    Kev - no appreciation of Ramsey in the Arteta role ? Probably his best game of the season. Ends the debate of who is more reliable, Diaby or Ramsey. He shall never be our our main playmaker but he is certainly a good back up for Arteta or Jack. You can see from last nights play, the other players around him trust him with the ball. Another MoM from Jack - outstanding. Where was Wally in the 1st half ?

  97. tpm

    Jan 24, 2013, 12:56 #31138

    i await the akbs reappearing on masse!

  98. Theo Jensen

    Jan 24, 2013, 12:52 #31137

    I'm sure some AKBs will be cheering again as they tend to look at individual results rather than the overall picture. A good win but no more prestigious than beating Southampton earlier this season essentially. What was promising however was the ability to counter attack fluently which, if maintained, would represent another dimension to our game strategically. I agree with you about Podolski Kevin, him Walcott and Giroud all better in the LONE striker role so we haven't really got any wingers by trade. We couldn't change formation to 442 though that would require (purchasing) two exceptional wingers and compromise our options in midfield where we actually have good strength in depth. The team is starting to gel now but this is a very weak league, so I find the fact some define 4th place a success a mark of the decline this club has seen.

  99. Fozzy

    Jan 24, 2013, 12:49 #31136

    I have been a bit harsh in recent weeks criticising The Pod and Clumsey, so it was really good to see them putting in a good shift. Just shows what can happen when Diabolical doesn't play which means that you don't have to worry about him running round in circles and then losing the ball. I understand that he is two weeks away from fitness which means we won't see him again this season.