Wenger’s economics degree vs my GCSE grade G in maths

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Wenger’s economics degree vs my GCSE grade G in maths


The vast majority of the world’s most successful football managers have one thing in common, which is that most of them do not have, or require, a degree in economics.

Wenger’s celebrated economics degree is a distinction which is a major part of his ‘kudos’ and one by which many fans seem overawed. On various occasions, I’ve heard admirers of his attempt to use his education in finance as a tool to prove his greatness and cut down any argument for change. I will be the bearer of bad news to Wenger’s followers, because it needs to be pointed out that having an economics degree has zero connection with being a top football manager.

My uncle has a degree in economics and he is also one of the top FA coaches in the country - his two distinctions are not related. If you were to take my uncle’s economics degree away, he would be no less of a football coach. Alex Ferguson does not need an economics degree to work out the simple maths of a football transfer budget: here’s £70 million, go out and spend it on good players. That is not rocket science, in which I don’t care if Wenger has a qualification either.

I’m a GCSE grade G in maths, yet by my calculations even I can work out that the £60,000 a week he pays to Sebastien Squillaci is bad economics. I can also conclude that the £7.5 million he pays himself a year is not in consistency with the club’s wage structure about which he preaches.

By my valuation, £62 for the cheapest Grade A game goes way beyond any degree of economic fairness to the common fan. ‘Le Master’ defends the ticket-pricing structure and moans about the fact that the crowds doesn’t get behind the team, yet surely a basic economic and social hypothesis would conclude the obvious; if you price the common man out of football, in favour of bankers, media moguls and marketing executives then things won’t be as loud.

Over the New Year period, at a time when we were fifteen points behind Manchester United, Wenger’s economic know-how in league table analysis led him to believe that we were still in the title race. Again, my basic grade G maths skills led me to a different conclusion.

Wenger uses the upcoming UEFA Fair Play rule as an excuse why he doesn’t spend more in the transfer-market. But even someone with a grade U in maths could easily work out that you can spend profits and be within the UEFA Fair Play threshold. Even if the Fair Play ruling had been in full effect over recent years, Arsenal could have spent tens of millions more on better players and would not have made a loss. You do not need an economics degree to work that out!

Considering that many of the new breed of season-ticket holders are made up of accountants, bankers and maths teachers, I can understand that a manager who is obsessed with money and spreadsheets can be of appeal. As Wenger’s priority is to maintain profit over everything, I can see how a degree in economics could come in useful for such a role. That might be beneficial to him, the board and the shareholders, but as football fans it serves us no purpose. So the next time this economics degree gets used as a tool to beat the Wenger drum, question it deeply as being a potential negative as opposed to a positive.

Matthew Bazell is the author of Theatre of Silence: The Lost Soul of Football.


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  1. Gooner Fan

    Feb 24, 2013, 8:40 #32498

    @Chris: speaking of banal comments, so how long do you think "Wenger's master plan" will come into place that you're hoping so badly? Tell me about those people who can't put much of a debate like when numerous evidence showed Wenger has much responsibility on transfers, yet those pro-Wenger supporters just brush it off as "we don't know anything, so it can't be his fault" type of comments. Oh, how unoriginal those people are.

  2. jjetplane

    Feb 23, 2013, 16:05 #32489

    Lovely stuff thats gets underneath the new and boring culture of Emirate life. And today Wenger is chucking the degree out the window for his latest spin. He will spend for a 'top top top' player (sic) and Jack is the man to lead this further mutancy. Mentioning Jack like that echoes previous histories with captains in their prime so do we see another departure being paved to keep this fool in power. Are we even sure he did'nt buy that degree off the net.

  3. Chris

    Feb 22, 2013, 19:15 #32471

    Stroud Boy - Given recent history, it's very clear that you wont budge from your slogans and stance designed to distort the debate but I may well carry on asking you to recognise what should be a self-evident possibility, to ensure its clear many folk know exactly where you are coming from.

  4. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Feb 22, 2013, 17:09 #32462

    Chris, carry on 'asking' and telling me what I 'should' think if you like then, for me our debate is at a self-evident natural end, so you'd be better off focusing on Arsenal than worrying about what I think.

  5. Ron

    Feb 22, 2013, 17:08 #32461

    Tony - Respect. A lot feel Moyes is a good shout. He maybe and im not really trying to demean the bloke. Hes done well at Everton. I just have strong doubts about him making the step up and more than that, managing the expectation thats heaped on a new Coach esp one following AW. Hes a bit dour and a bit mechanical to me and im not sure his character will stand the test.I also ask why has he been so content for so long at the level hes at? It does suggest, its his real comfort zone and that he knows it too.

  6. Chris

    Feb 22, 2013, 14:50 #32444

    Stroud Boy - To clarify, I have merely asked you recognise the rights of some of your fellow Arsenal supporters to hold a pro-Wenger stance without being told they can not be supporters of the club. I have myself taken exception to 'fans' saying that they wish to see the team lose to facilitate change - but when pressed on this, very few will actually admit to this and I have accepted that. Yet despite very long winded and, yes, repetitive conversations that should have amply demonstrated to you (whether you are in complete disagreement with the arguments or not) that support of Wenger was not exclusive with having the welfare of the club closest to heart, you persist with your slogans. I take the 'risk' of you branding me a hypocrit, or any of the other dozen or so things you have done, and carry on deciding who I address a post to and why, because whilst you may succeed in your primary aim of polarising the debate to avoid sensible discussion, you won't succeed in silencing me.

  7. Chris

    Feb 22, 2013, 14:32 #32440

    @Stroud Boy - Lol - I have hardly tried to silence anyone and as you know, I long since reversed my decision to ignore you. It would be hard to seeing as you generally post a direct reply/riposte/whatever to anything I post within a few hours at most - that seems hypocritcial to me in the light of your current request. I repeat - It is the case that people can want to the same thing as you claim to and yet have a different opinion from you as to how to achieve that. Or do you not believe that's possible?

  8. tpm

    Feb 22, 2013, 12:56 #32423

    how does anyone know moyes would be a success or failure? we dont, unless he gets a chance no one will ever no. hes done a aound job on a shoestring at everton, and for those who say hes shown no ambition, well what jobs could he have taken that are betteer than everton in the last decade? united, no, arsenal, no liverpool, clearly a non starter, man city, they were always going for a big name, chelsea, likewise (and he may have applied, who knows, but would he want to work for trigger happy roman). the only othjer job debateably with more ambition than everton was spurs, and only int he last few years too. he was very much linked with them when harry went so read into that what you want. where has this diktat come from, from the akb,s that AW can only be replaced with a massive name??? if this was the case then all big clubs would just have a merrygo round of managers with no manager from alesser team getting a chacne at a big club, as they are not 'worthy'. according to the akbs. madness, the top managers have to start somewhere, unless the likes of moyes ever gets achance we cant say if he would fail or not. comparisons with coyle are also wide of the mark. he was around for a season or 2, moyes has been doing a solid job consitently and punching above his wait for many years. evertons style of play isnt bad, and ours in the last 3 years at least has been boring as hell too, sideways, tippy tappy slow, crap.

  9. Cloggs

    Feb 22, 2013, 12:02 #32415

    Hello Matthew, I paid Arsenal Plc.96 pounds (incl. internet booking fee + postage(???) for a clock-end upper tier ticket for the match vs City, while the touts around Holloway where selling from 70. What tells you this (apart from me being a mug) Btw, read you book years ago, good stuff but sad stuff indeed..

  10. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Feb 22, 2013, 11:24 #32409

    @Chris, perhaps you could stop being a hypocrite and end your own boring campaign to silence my view on Wenger supporters. We've nothing further to say to each other so perhaps you could stop addressing me - as you said you'd do on another site. Didn't last long, did it? Heed your own words.

  11. Tony Evans

    Feb 22, 2013, 10:47 #32406

    Ron - usually you and I agree about most things Arsenal but not about David Moyes then? I understand your doubts about Moyes's ability to really make a difference at Arsenal such is the mess Wenger has / is creating but I think he is worth a shout and has earned the right to have a go with a higher budget to work with. Unfortunately though, I fear we are saddled with Wenger anyway for the foreseeable future, which neither of us are happy about.

  12. Tony Evans

    Feb 22, 2013, 10:14 #32404

    Paul - I wouldn't mind Moyes having a shot at the Arsenal job either. The wage bill at Everton is a fraction of Arsenal's and yet he has done wonders in keeping them relatively competative. I don't see him wasting huge sums of cash and lumbering his club with deadwood like Wenger has done; or indulging his players to the extent Wenger does. His pragmatic, no nonsense approach is just what the doctor ordered for Arsenal but I fear you are right when you say this debate about a replacement for our resident loon is academic - which leaves me without any hope for the immediate future at Arsenal. It really is a shame that it has come to this but Wenger has had ample chances to at least rectify some of his gaffes and most of us have simply run out of patience with him.

  13. Ron

    Feb 22, 2013, 9:51 #32402

    I ve expressed ny view that Arseen W needs a new chalenge and ought to consider his position for both his own and the Clubs good, however i keep getting this feeling that the prospect of David Moyes being appointed in his place might appeal to the Board. Is seriously hope not. He might be a sound enough chap and hes done OK on a budget with a Club that doesnt seriously expect much better these days (no disrespect intended Evertonians - i like your Club and going to Goodsion from time to time) but hes not an Arsenal boss. I believe the task at Arsenal would sink him without trace. If Wenger is to go, it must only be for a genuine top calibre Coach surely? One who can effect change right from the very roots of the Club upwards and impose a style and verve on the team that we ve lacked for quite some years. Thats not Moyes. 11 or 12 years fiddling about at the edges of the top 8 in the Prem Lge, dependent on the Phil Neville types of this World is no preparation for whats needed at Arsenal as i see it.

  14. GG89

    Feb 22, 2013, 9:31 #32399

    If AW is doing the spreadsheets who is working out how to win games? His economics defree works well for him and overpaid players but a sh1t for the supporters.....

  15. Chris

    Feb 22, 2013, 9:14 #32398

    @Gooner Fan - I know people who obviously can't follow both sides of a debate or engage with the full range of anothers opinion if they like banal comments like you just done.

  16. Paul Heaton

    Feb 22, 2013, 7:56 #32395

    @ lee afc, it's only my opinion. I'm sorry it seems to have made you so cross. Here's another FACT. In George Graham's last season as manager of Millwall they lost 17 games and finished 9th in Division 2 which was 2 places lower than Arsenal had in Division 1. Fortunately the board saw something in him that they thought would address the problems that we had at that point in time. I am in no way suggesting that Moyes is the new Brian Clough or that he'd be the right appointment at any time but I do think he would be a good choice at this point in time. The evidence of what he has done at Everton suggests he would get us organised, aggressive, and harder to beat. Whatever you think of him there's no denying that Everton are greater than the sum of their parts whilst we clearly are not. As for the lack of ambition that CanadaGooner mentions, I really don't know but didn't he turn down a new contract earlier this week? I also seem to remember him not distancing himself from the Spurs job on a tv appearance during the Euros. I'm not asking either of you to agree with me on this, I'm just explaining my opinion. Anyway, I have a horrible feeling that any discussion about a new manager is purely academic!

  17. Jego

    Feb 22, 2013, 2:31 #32393

    It simply makes me sick to see these pathetic people to call Wenger the root of all evil. Calling for David Moyes to be signed as Arsenal's new manager. These are the same mad men who are part of Arsenal Supporters Trust - naive chicken who helped the wolf Stan Kroenke to take over Arsenal, while conspiring against Usmanov. All of your comments - Wenger this... Wenger that... while keeping your mouth shut about Kroenke and Gazidis, who are the major problem - siphoning all of the clubs profits and turning them into ranches, yachts, Bentley's and mustache transplants. Arsenal is a football club, not a Private Equity Fund, Hedge Fund or investment bank. In order to get back to the top, winning trophies and become great again the club MUST reinvest all of the profits into signing world class players. With Kroenke and his minion Gazidis that will never happen. As of David Moyes - he won't be able to make us any better, he'll just help continuing profit siphoning scheme and worse - play pragmatic football, that would be a major tragedy... Yes, Wenger has messed up a lot of things, made a lot of terrible mistakes, but just sacking him will not solve our problems. We need to help Usmanov to get in, bring back David Dein, who would put a lot of pressure on Wenger to perform, but at the same time provide with funds to buy whatever player he wants. That's when we'll be able to see invincible times again. Invincibles 2 formula: Usmanov's money + David Dein + Wenger.

  18. Guy in Jersey

    Feb 22, 2013, 2:00 #32392

    That's it. I'm sick and tired of all the arguing. I have posted fairly regularly on here in the last few months, but basically Red and Dread, Joe, Mike, Gooner Dave and all your delude followers, why don't you all **** off? I'm an Arsenal supporter, but not an Arsene fan. I'm also an England supporter, yet I despise (and distance myself) from some of the embarrassing morons who follow England. Well now I'm distancing myself from some of the stupid, naive ,compliant and docile followers of Arsene FC. If you don't recognize what football club should be about, then don't waste our time whittering on about the bloody 70s. 60s and 90s - I was f@cking there as well - and we accepted it for what it was. Wenger is a busted flush - end of. I'd I'd quite like someone who actually has a brain to explain why he isn't 'cos most of the really intelligent fans already know why he has to go. And, yes, I despise the moronic element who support Arsenal as much as despise the 'thick as ****' morons who follow England, and think the massively over-hyped liar, poseur and adulterer David Bechham was a great player, and role model.

  19. Gooner Fan

    Feb 22, 2013, 0:31 #32391

    @Chris: maybe he's labelling them as 'supporters of Wenger, not of Arsenal', because those people always seem to absolve Wenger of any responsibility and find someone else to blame. You know people like that, right?

  20. northbank123

    Feb 21, 2013, 23:46 #32387

    Personally think Moyes is at his level, is a bit of a bottler and a club of our stature and resources should be aiming higher. Would certainly bring some welcome changes though.

  21. lee afc

    Feb 21, 2013, 22:36 #32383

    Paul Heaton.....as I have stated before.....Moyes is a 'panic buy' Everton in the last 10 seasons have finished on average 9th position and loses on average 12 games a season....FACT.... take that on board and who is your choice for manager at AFC.

  22. manu999

    Feb 21, 2013, 21:15 #32381

    How many anti Wenger article do we need everyday?...get a life please.. this site should be called the Online Wenger conspiracy not the online Gooner...what will you write about when he does eventually go....maybe you people will just carry on with the next guy...sad...

  23. mike

    Feb 21, 2013, 20:28 #32380

    David Moyes will not know what to do with a top four club. His claim to fame so far is finishing above Liverpool and that is once in ten years. Different pressures . He is now in a comfort zone whereby he will be considered a hero for finishing in the top four

  24. Jock Gooner

    Feb 21, 2013, 19:53 #32379

    It was always that simple..well done sir a brilliant summary of how things really are.

  25. CanadaGooner

    Feb 21, 2013, 19:22 #32378

    @Paul Heaton: fair enough Paul. I do however believe Moyes has been at Everton much longer than this season, and I cant recall everton ever finishing ahead of Wenger's team (made CL once and got dumped right out, and out of Europa right after). Why do you think Moyes has been at Everton for that long? (did he see an Abramovich round the corner?). We say Arsenal as a club aint showing enough ambition, you now want a manager that has spent over a decade on small budgets and has been happy to just hang in there and enjoy a quiet life! I dont dislike Moyes and I think he has done very well at everton, similar to what Curbishley did for years and years at Charlton (he finally got ambitious and where is he now? ON SKY TV). Moyes is a clever chap, he wont leave Everton. If he ever got ambitious (doubtful after so long) and leaves Everton, he will be sitting next to Curbishley on SkySports very shortly.

  26. Chris

    Feb 21, 2013, 19:19 #32377

    @Stoud Green Road Boy - that's probably becuase they are reacting to seeing more of this sort of bandwagon-jumping, poorly thought-out nonsense, peddled as the zeitgeist, as results get worse. I do wish you'd stop your boring campaign to silence pro-Wenger voices by labelling them as 'supporters of Wenger, not of Arsenal'. It is the case that people can want to the same thing as I hope you do (the best for Arsenal) and yet have a different opinion from you as to how to achieve that. Or do you not believe that's possible?

  27. Paul Heaton

    Feb 21, 2013, 17:55 #32375

    CanadaGooner, sorry if I wasn't clear but the fact that we all said "Arsene who?" was exactly my point. Richard was basically dismissing everybody that hasn't got an unblemished managerial C.V.and, as Reg has said more eloquently than me, Bertie Mee, George Graham and Arsene Wenger himself were hardly obvious appointments. If you don't think 18 of the other 19 Premier League managers would do better than Wenger that's fair enough but I disagree. Moyes' Everton side currently sit only 2 points behind us on a tiny fraction of our budget. Personally I think he's exactly what we need right now.

  28. naked goon

    Feb 21, 2013, 17:36 #32374

    @Reg a fine shortlist, and for £7.5m per annum, I am sure the services of some of those named could be secured

  29. Richard Dickerson

    Feb 21, 2013, 17:31 #32373

    Robert Exley I've put money on with my bookie that AW will win another trophy at Arsenal. History shows we've often been knocked out of the FA Cup by lower teams. Millwall (95), Bolton (94), Wrexham (92), York (85), Blackpool (70), Birmingham (68), P'boro (65). Sometime in the future Guardiola would be my top choice as manager, then Laudrup. Both believe in playing stylish football. Not sure if Moyes 'get in there faces' style of football would be acceptable for too long in London. We want more than that, don't we?

  30. CanadaGooner

    Feb 21, 2013, 17:07 #32372

    @Paul Heaton: we all said "Arsene who?" anyway. so, what's your point? It was Owen Coyle 2 seasons ago when he had Bolton in 4th place for a few weeks in the premiership (where is he now?). None of the current managers in the premier league (unless ofcourse Fergie wants to switch OT for the emirates! ha ha) can do any better than Wenger. If he's to go, taking a risk on an ex-arsenal player or bringing in a foreign manager is the only way to go. Moyes? dont make me laugh!

  31. Paul Heaton

    Feb 21, 2013, 16:28 #32371

    @ Richard Dickerson, so because David Moyes wouldn't make us laugh he's not the right man for the job? What a strange set of criteria you would have if you were appointing the next manager! Personally I couldn't give a toss if Moyes is the most miserable bloke on earth. He'd get us organised at the back, more aggressive and harder to beat which would represent a massive step in the right direction. If not him then there are lots of managers that would improve things. Using your logic when we were looking to replace Bruce Rioch with a mid table manager from the J league you'd have said "Arsene who?"

  32. CanadaGooner

    Feb 21, 2013, 15:47 #32370

    @Matthew Bazell; mate, where are the fans that feel 'overawed' by an economics degree? (you've been mixing with the Milwall fans again havent you matey?). I'll have you know that Wenger's profitable dealings in the years he was winning were actually more David Dein's deals with input from Wenger and the scouts. Since 2006 any nincompoop could sell Fabregas, Clichy, Adebayor, Henry, Nasri, RVP -- you dont need an economics degree to say YES to offers of millions, if indeed the club's main goal is simply to line the board-member's pockets. Your final paragraph is a contradiction: you started by saying we have fans who were overawed by an economics degree, and end by saying we have a bunch of accountants, bankers etc (not sure how an economics degree would impress those folks matey). Anyway, as I have to criticize articles on here as I know you took some time to type it up. Thanks

  33. UTU

    Feb 21, 2013, 15:12 #32365

    Good Article. Economics Degree and no European Trophy. Wenger done the Business in the past but it all went wrong after he sold Vieria and never replaced him. Any Future Arsenal manager only needs his coaching Badges and a track record of winning silverware.

  34. Reg

    Feb 21, 2013, 15:00 #32363

    @ Richard Dickerson. You obviously don't rate anything homegrown so how about these. From Spain Juan Ignacio Martinez (Levante), Diego Simeone (A. Madrid), Mourinho (soon not to be R. Madrid), Marcelo Bielsa (A. Bilbao). From Italy Antonio Conte (Juventus), Allegri (Milan), Edy Reja (formerly Lazio). From Germany Huub Stevens (Schalke), Jurgen Klopp (Dortmund), Heynkes (soon not to be Bayern). You also have Rene Girard (Montpellier), Ricardo Pinto (Sporting Lisbon), Bert Van Marwijk, Dick Advocaat, Slaven Bilic, Michael Laudrup and of course Guadiola was available. Plenty of others too and you forget that Mee, Graham and Wenger weren't exactly high profile appointments. The AKB's need to stop thinking the world ends at Wenger's back garden, to suggest that no one else is capable is just utter nonsense.

  35. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Feb 21, 2013, 14:56 #32362

    i have always found AW's wage packet hard to fit in with his thinking on the players wages. was Pat Rice on half a mill less than him and so on down the staff to the tea lady? i really doubt that,so you would think he would then give top players top money, as he as a top manager, feels he should get one of the top pays at club level in the world. Does anyone remember a problem similiar at the last days of G.Graham when the manager was percived to be the star of the team? well at least after GG had to go we purchased some real players. i cannot see the present set up of board/manager signing a DB10, or even a Supermac .An Economics or infact any Degree ,is hard work for most people,that is why people pick up on it.(there are those of course who say every thing is economics)

  36. Robert Exley

    Feb 21, 2013, 14:48 #32360

    @ Richard Dickerson - you really are living up to your name. Nobody called for Wenger's head after 3 trophyless years between 1999-2001 because we came 2nd to good sides. His head is called for because of 8 trophyless years - four fifths of a decade FFS! Knocked out of both Cups by lower league sides. Do you really think he's going to win another trophy again?

  37. billthered

    Feb 21, 2013, 14:42 #32359

    I am a trade union official and when I have a meeting with shop floor workers there is no end of noise and passion coming from them.When I then go to a meeting with management all sitting round an oak table with tea and skinny latte's it is very quiet and one person speaks at a time.Well the moral of this story is if you sell your soul to the highest bidder you get customers and not fans,and the customers have to be wined and dined then walk away without a care in the world whilst us,well write your own response.

  38. naked goon

    Feb 21, 2013, 14:30 #32358

    @Richard Dickinson. how about Jupp Heynkes. He is out of work come the summer, or even the young and well connected Michael Laudrup whose Swansea team did exactly the same to us at the Emirates as Bayern

  39. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 21, 2013, 14:17 #32356

    His degree certainly doesn't help him when it comes to tactics, or buying a decent keeper, or coaching a defence.Maybe his economic background and his obsession with finances and figures explains why he always makes substitutions at the same time, 70 minutes.Your right Matthew his degree is of no use to the fans when he can't see the problems we have on the pitch and have had for a long time and put them right.

  40. Cambridge Gooner

    Feb 21, 2013, 14:01 #32355

    Football management is not complicated. If it was, the positions would be filled by guys with PHD's from Oxford and Cambridge, not a bunch of ex-footballers without 2 brain cells to rub together. Can people please stop making out like Wenger and those other goons know something profound that we are incapable of understanding. I completely support this article and its 'simplistic' style as it highlights the facts without resorting to needless self-congratulatory financial babble. Furthermore, a degree in economics is not THAT hard to attain! From reading the quality of articles and comments on the online Gooner, I would guess that 90% of contributors would be able to get an economics degree without too much of a faff. Let's not deify Wenger for having a very standard education and turning our club into the laughing stock of the premier league.

  41. Richard Dickerson

    Feb 21, 2013, 14:00 #32354

    With Wengers short comings so painfully obvious to all us clowns, would somebody suggest a name to be the next Arsenal manager. Maybe Harry Redknapp, as he hasn't got an economics degree but he knows a player when he see's one. Great track record of spending money at Totts, Portsmouth & QPR, signing a quality centre half in Chris Samba on £100k a week wages. Maybe Big Sam who can turn us into Bolton or West Ham, long ball game a speciality. Robbie Savage comes over as very knowledgeable and he can dance a bit. How about Mr personality, David Moyes - he'll make us all laugh! AVB will be looking for a job when Spurs finish 5th. Tony Pullis can teach us a thing or two about defending, just kick anything that moves, so simple! Pub teams'R'us. Can't think of too many human beings that would subject themselves to the ignorant abuse that AW receives. No man should suffer the cowardly abuse he encounters from paedophile chants to 'Arsenal supporters' turning on him. Would the AW dissenters sack Barcelona's coach after a dismal performance in Milan? How long would the honeymoon period last for the new manager before the'baying mob' want him replaced? Many clubs have found out the hard way it's a dangerous game replacing managers on the lynch mobs say so! I await with interest the 'mobs' choice as 'our' next manager.

  42. Red Member

    Feb 21, 2013, 13:50 #32353

    good article. amazing some of these comments though - there are still apparently people prepared to defend the club!

  43. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Feb 21, 2013, 13:11 #32349

    It's interesting that the worse things get at Arsenal, the more vociferous the defenders of Wenger get. That in itself tells you something about the nature of their support, but I don't know what they're getting so worked up about. Even if Wenger were to leave Arsenal, he wouldn't retire as he needs football too much, so the Wenger supporters would be able to support his career at his new club.

  44. What Have You Done For Me Lately?

    Feb 21, 2013, 12:35 #32344

    You have really given The Straw Man a proper beating here. What a brave and insightful man you are, well done.

  45. Richard Dickerson

    Feb 21, 2013, 12:30 #32343

    Yet another boring 'lets stick another knife into AW' story. Do we deduce Wenger is not only the worst judge of a footballer on planet earth, he is solely responsible for financially shafting every fan that enters the Emirates. Not a Manc by any chance are you Matthew?

  46. N4

    Feb 21, 2013, 11:54 #32339

    Nice article. It's amazing that so far no one from the club has actually come out and speak! Whether good or not! Where are all the spin doctors?!! Why they haven't got this relationship with the fans until now, why do they still lie to fans?!! I'm sure a lot of us would be just happy to know that they are there just for the money and don't give a damn about trophies or the fans....at least we would have got an answer!!!

  47. Reg

    Feb 21, 2013, 11:12 #32333

    @ RedandDread and Tony. Answer 2 simple questions please. Are you satisfied with the current side/performances? If not how long do you give Wenger to turn it around?

  48. brown

    Feb 21, 2013, 10:50 #32330

    Wenger used to be an excellent coach, but his inability to upgrade himself with the latest development in football coaching has rendered him obsolete,and so can no longer be trusted with a team like arsenal

  49. Pat O'Cake

    Feb 21, 2013, 10:48 #32329

    This article doesn't ADD UP. I don't want to TAKE AWAY anything from the author but these types of comments can cause a DIVIDE. How many more TIMES am I going to repeat myself?

  50. ARSENAL FOOTBALL CLUB

    Feb 21, 2013, 9:42 #32324

    Give mr Wenger an exstended 3 year contract.

  51. Gaz

    Feb 21, 2013, 9:28 #32322

    Along the same lines you could also argue that you don't need to have been a top football manager for thirty years to realise the likes of Almunia, Denilson, Sqillaci, and Gervinho weren't/aren't ever going to be good enough!

  52. Tony

    Feb 21, 2013, 9:04 #32318

    @RedandDread.Well said mate,a true Arsenal fan unfortunately there are very few of us left.A lot of our support now are just after the quick fix Mourinho type managers and don't give a good man like Wenger the respect he deserves,so many so called fans these days are influenced by idiots like Adrian Durham on Talk Sport,who just comes out with a list of daily negatives about Arsenal and Arsene Wenger and the simple swallow it whole.

  53. GoonerDave

    Feb 21, 2013, 9:01 #32317

    Over simplistic and assumptive journalism. You landed nicely on the bandwagon there!

  54. Patrick

    Feb 21, 2013, 8:50 #32316

    @ReadandDread. Its fans like you who keep piping tunes as the titanic sinks. Even the greatest managers have to be let go of when they run out of ideas. We all appreciate what Wenger has achieved, but his last success was 8 years ago. Its not just a question of money. We are now a mid table team. he has had 8 years to run things around and nothing has happened. Do you really think even a year will do any good? What will he achieve in a year that he hasnt been able to in 8 yrs. The club has been in steady decline. Even fourth place will be hard to come by this season. Its not just Bayern that have exposed our poor quality. The likes of Blackburn and Bradford have shown us that the emperors clothes are truly in shreds.

  55. Mike

    Feb 21, 2013, 8:42 #32314

    And now you have confirmed why you got your G grade GCSE for maths and never went further

  56. mark from aylesbury

    Feb 21, 2013, 8:08 #32310

    RedandDread , he is soon to inherit the mantle of one of arsenals least successful managers if you measure it over a decade. As we know it is the decade that measures football from length of career to club trophy hauls. That is why we dare to comment. Read Henry Winter in the Telegraph today. Well worth a read

  57. joe

    Feb 21, 2013, 7:51 #32309

    Sorry did not know I was on the children s blog. Time for bed you little ones. To nights bed time story is all about the real world.

  58. RedandDread

    Feb 21, 2013, 7:26 #32307

    You got that valium yet? I think you might be the man for Wenger's job. You have the answers. The real travesty of this whole sordid episode is that certain fans denigrate the name of a man who has dedicated his last 17 years to make Arsenal FC a better football club. Which he has. Surely a man that has kept us dining at the top table all his career should be given more respect, particularly from our own and also a chance to repair the damage. He's an intelligent passionate man that has Arsenal FC at his heart and he is also the heart & soul of our club at present. He has 1 more year on his contract and has always shown loyalty and commitment to the cause, so should we.

  59. naked goon

    Feb 21, 2013, 7:04 #32305

    Haha, my CSE grade 1 brain was thinking something similar recently. Put it another way, if Theoo earns £100K p/w, thats £20k p/day! Would he be happy to spend a day's wages watching an overpaid bunch of under achieving footballers every 2 weeks? Or of Wenger himself, is it likely that if he were a high earning economics wiz on £7.5m p/a he would spend the equivalent of a days wages at the Arsenal, and not feel slightly aggrieved at what he has seen lately? Methinks not.

  60. jimbob

    Feb 21, 2013, 6:42 #32299

    Excellent article well written and makes you wonder what the hell is goin on behind the scenes at our club!!