Grab your coat Arsène

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Grab your coat Arsène


Let me start off by saying that, as a youngster, along with my grandfather and father, Arsène Wenger was my idol. He was my role model. A man of quality, a man of class, and a man with a competitive, winning edge. I suspect and know he was the idol of countless others.

He had taken us to new heights, heights that we would never have dreamt of, and heights that, it is fair to say, we all took for granted once we reached the top. The Invincibles, the Doubles, the football and absolute top-class quality to go with it were a total joy and luxury to behold. And this was all down to only one Arsène Wenger.

The move to the E******s, Wenger’s lovechild, was intended to help us sustain competition at the very top after the diminutive Highbury was deemed not fit enough for long-term elite success. And this is where the sad irony of it all lies. We have spiralled backwards to what looks like a point of no-return, from a move that was designed to move us forward.

Yes, there were financial restrictions early on, and yes, we do not possess the amount of stupid cash reserves the likes of, first, Chelsea and, now, City do. But this is where the buck stops with Wenger.

Strung up by his naïve, obstinate, delusional vision that success can only truly come from within, his youth-policy and intuitive player-loyalty have well and truly backfired - a principle that, at least in theory, was to be admired in this day and age, but only with the necessary supplementation. Arsène Wenger actively and deliberately refused to fill clear chinks in the Arsenal squad’s armour that were the fine line between being winners or mere nearly-men.

The net result? Those youngsters, granted, many of whom did indeed develop to become world-class footballers, lost faith and moved on to bigger and better things. We became a stepping-stone. A selling club. And now it’s the fans’ turn to shed any hopes of a turn-around in this rigid, failing thought-process.

Over those fruitless E******s years, we have seen it all unfold. The League Cup final defeat to Birmingham, unfathomably numerous missed opportunities in cup competitions, consistent thrashings at the hands of the big boys of the Premier League and Europe, we have had to stomach a lot. Not to mention the sale, almost uncontrollable haemorrhage, of top players for a combined price of £120 million and spending just under half of the money made from sales on “strengthening” the squad; culminating of course in the sale of Robin van Persie to Manchester United, single-handedly handing them the title, whilst proving van Persie right that we just haven’t got what it takes to ever compete with the likes of United for years to come.

It has been a gradual, steadfast decline. And then there is the gloomier prospect that it may yet get even worse before it gets any better. With Champions League qualification far from certain for 2013-2014, we run the risk of losing further quality, quality that is sparse on the ground in a squad of full of mentally weak deadwood anyway, as well as the risk of not being able to deploy the cash reserves from bundles of player-sales, TV rights and ripping the fans off with the most extortionate prices of European football to attract the very best in the game.

And while the board of conmen are a root cause of the club’s abject failures, led by a silent owner in Kroenke who is in it for the money, and a shambolically uncharismatic liar of a PR man in Gazidis, Wenger and his fabled views lie at the centre of this mess.

From the heights of glory to the depths of despair, we have taken a sharp and humbling nose-dive, with the only one Arsène Wenger still in charge, steering an ever-sinking ship to the wall, and playing the same broken record that we are about to miraculously turn the corner. Saturday’s gutless defeat to Blackburn; the first time Wenger’s Arsenal were ever knocked out of the FA Cup either by lower league opposition or at home, was utterly symbolic, Tuesday’s mauling at the hands of Bayern, in the competition qualification for which has become the mere hallmark of success in Wenger and his board’s eyes, utterly ironic.

I predicted that we would never win a trophy under Wenger again back in 2008 when Eduardo broke his leg and, with it, our title hopes crumbled under the pressure. And year on year I am being proven right, and I take no pleasure in saying this.

The time has come to acknowledge that the Arsène Wenger of the Invincibles is not the same Arsène Wenger who rabidly tore into the press conference pre-Bayern, nor the same aloof, disconsolate figure on the bench as Mario Mandzukic looped in Bayern’s third.

The scent of revolution is very much in the foggy Arsenal air. The end will be tragic, no doubt, but it is time for Wenger to do the honourable thing and jump, before the fans push him out. An even sadder ending for a one-time great of the game, of Arsenal, none of us would like to see.


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  1. GoonerGoal!

    Feb 24, 2013, 18:36 #32546

    Oh look, yet another Swallow, surely Summer must be here...NOT! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  2. ash cole

    Feb 23, 2013, 5:28 #32482

    I was the first to leave and you so eloquently hit the nail on the head! Stan is a smart business he doles out world class salary for Wenger!

  3. Richard Dickerson

    Feb 22, 2013, 21:57 #32479

    tpm You asked for a response to my ill informed googling due to my lack of club knowledge. Yes you are correct the team that lost to Wrexham wasn't a double winning team but the previous years League Champions & beaten FA Cup Semi -finalists. It was a memory lapse rather than a google error. As for only being a Wenger era fan I've been attending Arsenal matches since George Swindin was manager, but yes, I am a great AW fan. In my opinion he's the best thing that's ever happened to AFC in the 52 years I've attended matches. I agree siting Brian Clough wasn't the best example, maybe Blackburn & Wolves are more appropiate. Changing the manager can be risky & doesn't necessarily bring about a quick fix. It takes many years to forge a consistently outstanding team. Blackburn & Man City have found instant success can be bought but it's more difficult to sustain same. The irony is if Usmanov & Dein were in charge it appears they would keep AW as the manager. Yes there will be life after AW in 2014 but his replacement is better planned than forced. Man U stuck with Fergie in his barren years and got their reward. Where would they have been if they got rid before the tide turned? The tippy, tappy, sideways football is usually the result of the opposing team playing the percentages and parking the bus and I agree is frustrating to watch. Even Barcelona couldn't score in Milan, it happens!! No team enjoys playing against 'in ya face' tactics. It's anti-football but lesser teams best chance of a result. I'm well aware Moyes is a Scot but I don't think Arsenal is the right club for him.

  4. Nickgooner4life

    Feb 22, 2013, 16:46 #32460

    I still can't believe Wengers statement today about him never thinking of quitting over one game.It's not over one game Arsene,it's over 8 years of failure,and the lack of ambition by you,the board and the owner.This season is a complete shambles,and last season we only finished 4th because of RVP,who we have now sold on to our rivals.Wengers constant failure to address the big problems we are having shows that it's maybe time for him to go.The signings he's made over the last 3 years have been mediocre to poor at best,and his constant failure to resolve our defensive issues is a disgrace.I don't believe Steve Bould has very little say on tactics,and how we defend as a unit.Because no way do i believe Bould thinks zonal marking is the way to go.I'm sick of Wenger and his deluded statements that this squad is good enough to win things,because i'm afraid we are not.And our faceless owner should sell his stake in Arsenal to Usmanov,and the board should resign.Because Kroenke has no ambition and only runs Arsenal for a profit,and Wenger is prepared to be his puppet.No wonder Wenger gets paid £7.5 million a year.4th place should never be the aim for Arsenal,winning trophies should be.And to keep selling our best players is a joke also.Let Usmanov take charge,and bring back David Dein.If Wenger then refuses to spend and strengthen our squad significantlly,then he should quit.Because sadly my faith and respect for Wenger grows less and less by the day.

  5. tpm

    Feb 22, 2013, 15:11 #32446

    @richard dickerson. you really should get your googling of our history right. i didnt relaise we won the double in 91, an that our double winning side lost to wrexham as you state? perhaps you should inform the FA to update their records. based on you glaring errors in the clubs history in both the comments here and on other articles, its patent that you are the jcl fan, as you are having to google the history of AFC before AW and you keep getting it wrong. This pretty much undermines anything you say as you are pretending to be some dyed int he wool long term fan, when it appears that you are in fact a JCL, wenger era 'fan' as are most akb's (even though you claim the most AMG's are, when in fact i fond the opposite, as most long term fans can sense the same feelings now as happened in the dog days of GG, neill et al. and see the same year on year decline on the pitch). everything you type is pretty much wrong. name a club he wouldnt walk into, well united for starters. you say no englishman could cope managing arsneal, maybe so as there are not many decnt english managers there, but david moyes is scottish (or didnt you know that) and could maybe do a good job. likewise a new manager should be just that, not the all encompassing figure that everyone bows down to, and who picks his own boss, that AW is/does. thats not a healthy way to run a club as we are finding out. you comment on the dire football in the gg final days. well our football for at least 3 years has been extremely boring, sideways, slow, tippy tappy, not going anywhere, long gone are the days of us being the mosty entertaining side in england, we are dropping don that list fast. now for your forest example. again if you were anything but a jcl you would know thats a ridiculous example. forest declined pretty much because of the very reason you our rallying against. they kept clough too long out of sentiment and he dragged them down, had they got rid, they may have survived. if you had any idea about football you would know that. i have the pleasure of knowing quite a few spurs fans. theya re all very happy that aw is still in charge and can see whats hes doing to us. speak to some, you may be enlightened. as for dean, yep, im sure hes a crook and its all a secret conspiracy against us. finally if we have the temrity to chnage the manager its a slippery slope. well what do we do when aw kicks the bucket??? are we not on a slippery slope already, do you ignore the league, and not se its becomeing tougher, season on season for us even to get top 4? all clubs who change manager decline, is basically what you are advocating. thats perfect logic. i await your responses.

  6. Anon

    Feb 22, 2013, 12:02 #32414

    To Richard Dickerson, Forest are where they are precisley because they didnt get rid of Clough in time...

  7. GoonerGoal!

    Feb 22, 2013, 11:47 #32412

    And still the AKB's defend the Great Dictator and his running-dog lackeys masquerading as a Board of Directors. Just how bad does it have to get before they finally admit they were wrong to give eight years of support to Wenger? A Manager who has not only become a SERIAL LOSER, but who over time has also deliberately and knowingly become complicit in putting into place a project designed primarily to make money, the price of which was masterminding the fall of a leading football club from Europe's elite to a position of mid-table mediocrity, while at the same time turning the Arsenal into a nursery club for those we once considered our main rivals for trophies. DO NOT FEEL SORRY FOR THIS MAN, he is a man who believes HIS principles take priority over any other consideration, irrespective of the cost or the damage, or the anguish, caused to others. Never has there been a greater architect of his own downfall! DOWN with the DICTATOR! DOWN with his cronies KROENKE, GAZIDIS and HILL-WOOD! VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  8. Peter Key

    Feb 22, 2013, 11:42 #32411

    My youngest son is a Liverpool supporter. I have tried over the years to get him to change his mind and be a gooner like his Dad, but sadly to no avail! We watched his team go out of the Europa Cup last night. It was a thrilling game and while he was sad about the defeat at least he was proud of how they pushed and fought against a strong team. In turn it made realised just how far we have fallen. Another nail biting struggle to get that Championship spot.Failing in domestic cups by being humbled by ' lesser teams' such as Blackburn et al. Our team has become a laughing stock and every fan must know that if we dont beat Spurs next week then getting 4th spot will,sadly be beyond us.Please Mr Wenger change things, buy big and buy bold for next season. For God sake stop talking about mental toughness and buy steel for the team be supported on. Somwehere out there is the new Adams and Henry( a Bergkamp would be good too).Cut away the dead wood. You have made too many recent mistakes. We are club. RVP should have been made to see out his contract. Of course it would been unpleasent for him, but at least Man U would have struggled a little more! I believe we owe you some time, Mr Wenger, but its getting late in the day. Please dont fiddle while we are burning!

  9. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Feb 22, 2013, 11:36 #32410

    @ Richard Dickerson, afraid you've damned yourself with the Notts Forest example. They ended up relegated after Clough stayed on far too long. Not the best example to give in support of Wenger's continuing reign...

  10. Anon

    Feb 22, 2013, 11:15 #32408

    Why is the tired straw man argument that Wenger does not spend still rolled out? santos, squilacci, gerviniho and arshavin cost 40 million. Thats not taking into account all the other dross that is on the pay roll, he has covered a lot of the cost with sales yes, but what he has bought is no where near the level needed. He tried something and failed, and now (it looks to me) is not willing to make the necessary changes.

  11. EborGooner

    Feb 22, 2013, 10:58 #32407

    I have kept silent for a few weeks and watched the increasingly polarised positions of fellow Gooners. Why do you have to be an AKB or an AMG? Surely, there are some people, like me, who have a view somewhere in between? I will always be grateful to Arsene for the football and players he bought to our great club, and I believe he will be seen as one of the greatest managers we have ever had. However, he is beginning to look increasingly like Brian Clough to wards the end of his time at Forest. A once great man who has overstayed his welcome. I am not here to "bully" Arsene and I don't expect us to have a divine right to win a trophy every yoaer or two. However, I do expect our Manager to identify issues and deficincies within our team that are stopping us winning, and do something to address those issues. I'd love to have won something in the last 7 (8) years but if we can't, I'd like to feel we are improving/getting closer. Can any Gooner honestly say we have more chance of winning a trophy now than we did 3 or 4 years ago? I see today that Arsene has said he never thought of quitting and "that we must not be too destabalised by people who have strong opinions after just one game". It isn't just 1 game. Blackburn, Bradford, 8-2 at Old Trafford, losing a 4 (FOUR!) goal lead at St James, constant defensive lapses and conceding soft goals, NEVER making a tactical substitution until the 70th minute, and (seemingly) withdrawing players on a pre planned basis taking litle, if any, notice of how they have actually performed in the game, etc. Add apparently coaching any ability out of players (Arshavin, The Ox, Verminator and Kos gone backwards this season. These don't add up to a very good managerial performance of late. To sum up. I am not an AMG or an AKB. I am a Gooner who wants the best for the Arsenal. If Arsene won't (or can't) improve us so that we can challenge for trophies,then we need someone who can!

  12. Knock it long to Raphael Meade

    Feb 22, 2013, 10:07 #32403

    To quote Richard Dickerson: "Look at some of the former 'big' clubs no longer in the PL, European Cup winners Nottingham Forest for example"....has your selective memory blocked out the fact that Forest got relegated under Clough, because Brian was stubborn, past his best, tactically inflexible by the end of his reign and the football world had moved on and left him behind? Hopefully you can make the connection between Brian's decline and what's happening at New Arsenal, the difference being that Forest fans weren't being bled dry in the process. Before you jump into a black / white reply, I'm not saying that the status quo at The Arsenal would result in relegation, but most definitely a continuation of the current stagnation. If you're happy with the fact that the current administration charge supporters Ritz prices for McDonald's produce, and the manager collects 7mil, Theo 100 large a week, yet Jack Wilshere less than both, then good luck to you.

  13. Knock it long to Raphael Meade

    Feb 22, 2013, 9:43 #32401

    For me, the decline didn't start with the move to the glasshouse, or the sale of Fabregas, or Almunia taking over from Lehmann....it was the signing of Michael Silvestre. If any indicator of the club (franchise / business) going backward was significant, that was the one. Mandy Dodd's comments are proof that the universe has to balance the good with the bad. I feel a bit sorry for her. No sympathy for Crispen though, he'd win the Prize Plum contest at any farmer's market on the planet. If he owned up and admitted that he'd been planted on here by the club's administration to spin harder than Graeme Swann I wouldn't be in the least bit amazed.

  14. Mark

    Feb 22, 2013, 9:32 #32400

    apart from Cesc and RVP the last4 years have been total crap

  15. Richard Dickerson

    Feb 22, 2013, 8:15 #32397

    Lee hit the nail on the head regarding people who have only known the Wenger era. We've all been spoiled by the most successful period in Arsenal's history since the 1930's. We had many thrilling moments during George Graham's tenure but some dismal times as well. FA Cup exits to lower teams was the norm,Millwall, Bolton & worst of all our double winning team losing to Wrexham. The final year of George's reign featured some of the worst football ever played at Highbury. We sat and read our programme as an alternative to watching the dire defensive football on offer. If we crossed the halfway line more than once it was a bonus. 'Park the Bus' football as played by eminent coaches like Martin O'Neil isn't enjoyable to watch. If you truly believe this current Arsenal team is no good then I can only conclude you must have limited experience of football. I bet the majority of Spurs fans would love to see AW leave Arsenal. They must be laughing their socks off as we're doing their job for them. AW could walk into ANY club you wish to name in World football. The list of people who could cope managing AFC is a very short list indeed. No Englishman has the qualities required so you would be forced to bring in someone from abroad who would need time to adapt. The 'special one' has the nous & experience but comes with baggage. How long would the AW dissenters give the new man? Once you get on the slippery slope of changing managers it's hard to get back. Look at some of the former 'big' clubs no longer in the PL, European Cup winners Nottingham Forest for example. AW will probably leave at the end of his contract in 2014 but thankfully AFC are too classy to be dictated to by the'lynch mob.' I include some sections of the media in 'lynch mob' as they seem too delight in winding up Arsenal supporters. They invariably carry a negative bad news Arsenal story on match days. Finally, why is no one making a fuss about Arsenal's record of only 1 win from 20 games when Mike Dean is the ref? Since 1996 Arsenal have won approx 54% of their games but this drops tenfold to only 5% with Dean in charge. This anomaly needs investigating to ensure integrity in the game. I wonder what Mr Deans record is at Old Trafford? Anybody know?

  16. mkherd89

    Feb 22, 2013, 8:14 #32396

    WELL SAID crispen,ARSENE IS NOT THE PROBLEM,ITS THE PLEBS UPSTAIRS,SOONER THESE PLASTIC SO CALLED GOONERS UNDERSTAND THIS,THE BETTER

  17. Nick

    Feb 22, 2013, 3:32 #32394

    Kroenke out and take the board with you.Bring back David Dein and let Usmanov take charge.And lets see what Wenger does then with an owner whos prepared to back him.If he then refuses to spend,then thats the time to get rid of Arsene.

  18. k eloquence

    Feb 22, 2013, 0:27 #32390

    Will have to agree with Crispen and stick up for Wenger. Easy for fansites and "fans" to criticise Wenger from the sidelines, easy for them to say what Wenger should be doing, buying etc. These are the same people two years ago saying that we should get Owen Coyle in to save us! Look at Villa when O'Neill left, has it improved for them? Wenger is up against it and where is our support? We know less than 10% of what goes on in the club and it seems that he has been let down by others. Maybe Wenger has made mistakes but he is not the main problem. All sorts of politics have been going on within the club which have been detrimental to him and the team. At the moment it feels like the "fans" are adding to this and not supporting at a time when Wenger and the team really needs it. Chesney's interview in The Guardian a few weeks ago was revealing in the sense that he said you can hear the groans and moans when someone makes a mistake or we are not winning early in the game. As a gooner that makes me wince about our "support". Are we a 12th man for the team? We have a tough few weeks ahead so it's time to shut up and put up instead!!

  19. Midz

    Feb 22, 2013, 0:07 #32389

    Wenger has been great for this club and without him we wouldn't have the great history that we do, HOWEVER, it has been 7(8) years since we won a trophy and that is down to wenger's outdated tactics (zonal-marking) and the boards refusal to spend. The best possible solution is for Wenger to run down his contract and join the board.

  20. Old Timer

    Feb 21, 2013, 23:58 #32388

    Arsene's graceless performance at the pre-Bayern presser reminded me, in its lack of control or self awareness, of Kevin Keegan's 'I'd love it...' outburst. And I fear it'll have a similar effect on his team's subsequent results. Heaven forbid we lose to Villa on Saturday - the mood in the Stadium is already fragile. The pressure on Arsene from fans and the media will ratchet up and he looks to be only just coping now. It doesn't seem as though anyone at the Club who can will put him out of his misery. He's given us his best years - and produced for us from 1996 to 2006 a cavalcade of achievement. But the subsequent years have showcased his limitations as a manager, limitations which have become more serious over time. Yes, consistently coming 4th or better in the EPL is creditable and teams with more money than us have not always done so but for a Club of our stature and resources it's a minimum. Things though have got steadily worse as a result of the failure to address longstanding deficiencies in tactics, organisation, motivation and squad quality. Buying better players would help but we don't seem to be very good at doing that any more either. Time for a change, whatever Stan and the Board think. Whether I look at it as a fan or as a shareholder, I come to the same conclusion.

  21. Mandy Dodd

    Feb 21, 2013, 23:45 #32386

    The board are conmen? Whilst I have not always been over impressed with them lately, think that is going a a bit far....their lawyers would probably agree. And lots of clubs have more silent owners than stan, take a trip into n17, but for some reason the media do not report that one.The depths of despair? Ok thinks are not great but such emotive language, is it really appropriate to a rational mind analysing where our club stands? The emirates was not wengers love child, it was the boards....and the now beatified, even sanctified David dein....who I rate on many levels...but would have moved us to wembley!! Wenger has every right to tear into the uk media, read the eds book about how they treated him on day 1. as formthe press conference, apart from fielding inane questions, He explained he was frustrated they did not check their facts. Other managers lay into the media with far less coverage. Wenger gets a tough time with the media, compare and contrast this week when the spuds were thrashed by real . I was glad to see his disconsolate reaction after losing to currently the best team in Europe. Many arsenal fans share your clear passion and frustration, but bloody hell, the asteroid did not hit, the bank crash has not yet caused global anarchy, and we have jack wilshere, there is hope.

  22. Green Hut

    Feb 21, 2013, 22:53 #32385

    @Alsace Lorraine De Totteridge- Superb post, one of the best I've ever read on here. I, like you, just want to start enjoying my football again and that will never happen with Wenger at the helm. It's a tragedy, but football has left him behind.

  23. Joe S,

    Feb 21, 2013, 22:48 #32384

    All common sense leads to the implication that Arsenal FC have been mismanaged over the past six years. We know the board are a pack of cynical opportunists out for a maximum divident but it is on the ground where factors such as player recruitment, coaching staff, develompent and tactical awareness standards have seriously deteriorated.Arsene Wegner continues to take the wrong options. He seems to miss all the available talent out there and then settles for something inferior. After watching the young kid Ngui who trialed with Arsenal during the summer and was passed over ( money? attidude? misjudgement? ) set up a goal for Milan against Barcellona, I have to believe that the people responsible for making important decisions at Arsenal have really lost their nerve big time.

  24. lee afc

    Feb 21, 2013, 22:22 #32382

    i would guess you are a 20 something year old and you should get your gradfather and father to educate you concerning the Arsenal....no club will rule the world every year...week in week out..we have all seen this before and no doubt see it again. get used to supporting 'your club' not a name i.e. wenger, adams, bergkamp, mee, graham, wright, nicholas...etc.....After all, we are ARSENAL...not west ham, blackburn, and all the pathetic excuses that call themselves football clubs.

  25. Alsace Lorraine De Totteridge

    Feb 21, 2013, 19:02 #32376

    Can't agree with you Canada. Simply because Wenger goes on camera, shouts like a child and then blubbs like a girlie doesn't mean that we should lay off. The man has lain inside a bubble erected by highly paid propagandists for many years. Within that bubble he has been allowed to waste the club's money and make football at Arsenal a miserable soul sapping experience. If we want one of those we can go to work. Football should be our recreation. This man has done us harm and will continue to do so unless removed. I can't bully a bloke pulling down £7 million a year with an army of yes men surrounding him. I am however allowed to criticise him and I fully intend to hammer away until he takes a hike. People who are doing harm and won't stop it should be smacked out of the way. It isn't as though he hasn't been asked nicely many many times. What is happening now is entirely due to his total unwillingness to change or reform or listen. Charles I and his idiot son James II come to mind in this context. The endgame isn't pleasant, but boy has he anaesthetised us to any compassion which we might otherwise have felt for him in what I sincerely hope will be his imminent downfall.

  26. DW Thomas

    Feb 21, 2013, 15:38 #32369

    The second goal against Bayern was terrible. The defense including our goalie were atrocious. Vermaelen is a shadow of who he once was. The tem need a complete overhaul save a few midfielders. Wiltshire is immense, but one top player cannot carry a team. And Giroud shoul start. Sure he misses some good chances, but if on the whole game he will score given a few chances and gain more confidence. Wenger is now ridiculous. His tactics, team selection (Ramsey?), and lack of motivational ability combined with arrogance shows he is past his time. He seems like a cartoon character in the bench. Stale, unable to make changes to whatever his plans are. What hurts the most is so many of us just don't cae about results as they are too often a complete let down. If we had won or tied or at least lst 2-1, that would have been a statement that we are still a force on our day. No we are viewed as a total has been club. Perhaps the worst thing is the wage structure. A player like jack should be earning way more than Theo, the most inconsistent player I have seen. And one more thing. Champions do not turn their back on the ball!! I am sick of seeing even player like Per wimp out on challenges to block a shot or clearance. And we don't want to keep a player like Sagna, a lion with real heart? Another example of the ridiculous decisions that occur again and again. My patience is up. Should have got Pep while we had the chance! The thought I keep having is would I keep watching this team if Jack were to leave?

  27. Bard

    Feb 21, 2013, 15:36 #32368

    I'm not sure what this post adds that we didn't already know.I don't think anyone seriously believes he is capable of turning Arsenal round. He spouts a lot of guff about crisis and finances but this has been a slow and steady decline brought about by selling our best players, poor acqusitions and bad coaching but he's a proud man and he will stick around till the end of his contract. He also doesn't like criticism and as the atmosphere in the stadium get more and more toxic he won't handle it. My bet is he will leave at the end of his contract. I hope he does. He's been great for the club in so many ways, I'd hate to see him leave under a cloud.

  28. Red Member

    Feb 21, 2013, 15:32 #32367

    I think the majority of Arsenal supporters either want or accept that there must be change at the club. However the news coming out of the board meeting today seems to indicate that nothing is going to change. So what now? Continuing decline? Is this just going to be accepted?

  29. G Lati, London

    Feb 21, 2013, 15:27 #32366

    The problem is it's currently gone wrong at every level. Just looking at one.. Transfers: Wenger imposes tight budget constraints on himself unnecessarily, then when things do not work out, he panic buys instead of paying that bit extra for the right player in the first place. Spending to correct mistakes is more costly than just buying what you need. Trying to do things on the cheap is great when it works, if; you do your homework and find the right players; understand tactics; can produce game plans and communicate them to your players; and, if you can motivate your players week in, week out. But you must stand up and be counted when you can't do it anymore. - Nacho looks like a good signing but if Wenger really wanted to win the Champions League this year why did he buy someone who was cup tied? Makes no sense. He should have bought him in the summer. He has since admitted he had the chance to. -Selling RVP to United when, apparently, RVP had a change of heart and wanted to stay, shows the stubbornness of the man. If you stand up to him you will be sold. This is why we will not progress under him because he wants "YES" men all around. He must be loving the situation that Stan is not taking an interest. He's got the best job in the world and he's milking it. The only group who can effectively question him about his tactics now are reports and we’ve seen what happens there. No one is allowed to question him any more, or even ask sensible questions. If things were going well why wouldn't he be in negotiations to extend his contract? He got angry because he knows he has become one big joke and people are making fun of him. We are all grateful for what Wenger achieved all those many years ago but it's time for a change. Decline breeds decline. It will be harder and harder to climb back up if we don’t get 4th as other clubs will use that money to strengthen their squads. We almost need to get rid of Wenger just to save him from himself. He's is stuck in a spiralling mess of his own making and he cannot get out of it because he said he will not quit. So lets do the honourable thing and do it for him. It’s for his own good. I'm sure he will flourish in a new project. PSG and Real are both sniffing around. A swop deal for Mourinho or Ancelotti would be fine with me. Wenger always says he gets lots of offers from other clubs. So lets do it. -I hear PSG are willing to pay £20million for Wengers services. Why arent we biting their hands off?

  30. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Feb 21, 2013, 14:49 #32361

    Crispen, do your homework mate. Kroenke has been Club owner since 2011 ----- Wenger lost his Mojo in 2007 / 2008. Kroenke has been a disaster for our great Club but Wenger is the real problem. He's arrogant, out of touch and would give the Wizard of Oz a good run for his money!

  31. billtheed

    Feb 21, 2013, 14:29 #32357

    Do you remember the man that took over in 1996 humble honest and quite funny.If you look at him now he's not in control of himself at all.Old bluenose used to have a go at him whenever the need arose and AW answered him back with an honest and witty reply.Now bluenose does'nt bother with him as we are no longer a threat instead he rings him up to sign our best player and he lets him have him what an insult to us fans.Aw lost a league title at Birmingham in 2008 it was then that project youth should have been abandoned but he continued with his stubborn philosophy to the deriment of us all.He also nowdays questions everybodies experience of running a football club when he has no answers,a mere shadow of a man we once loved.

  32. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Feb 21, 2013, 13:44 #32352

    Crispen - mate, thanks for your comment there, I needed a good laugh today. You should be on the stage.

  33. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 21, 2013, 13:38 #32351

    He certainly did Asser and that can't be denied and never has been.If only he could have pushed us on or at least kept us there instead of indulging in his pet project,philosophies and principles that has ended up setting us back years,with any decent players we had with ambition jumping ship,leaving us with players (maybe apart from one) who wouldn't be deemed good enough to do the invincibles laundry,so it's hard to know who'd want them.We've had to stomach a lot alright Bradford, Blackburn,the latest humiliation, and if there's not changes soon you can bet there's a lot more to come.Good piece.

  34. David

    Feb 21, 2013, 13:01 #32347

    Agreed. Painful but true - he's lost it in a way that seemed impossible 7/8 years ago. The problem seems to be that AW genuinely believed that he could win things without buying big. I don't believe for one minute that he was happy with 4th place every year. He over-estimated what he was capable of as a manager in a way that Fergie never did. Now it's too late to turn it around; in fact he appears to not recognise that things need turning around or that he's made a huge tactical/strategic error. Everyone else can see it but him. It's a bit of a Greek tragedy - Icharus and all that.

  35. Terry

    Feb 21, 2013, 13:01 #32346

    Yes, I think we all are now looking for Wenger's successor. But, I think the bigger problem is the board of directors and the model of allowing one or two billionaires to own the club. Ownership should be in the hands of those who view the winning of trophies as the sole purpose of a football club along with people that have the business acumen to run the club in an economically sensible way. The tradition of directors not earning dividends is essential. However, as money ifs the root of all evil, it was David Dein's selling of shares along with Lady Bracewell-Smith's similar action that put the shares into the hands of people who seem to regard profit above the winning of trophies. Interesting that Bayern Munich is mostly owned by the fans.

  36. Michael Boon

    Feb 21, 2013, 12:08 #32341

    Keep the faith. More and more Wengerholics are admitting they have a problem with every passing day. Hopefully enough of them will be treated successfully to enable our great club to be saved.

  37. What was the point in leaving Hghbury?

    Feb 21, 2013, 11:58 #32340

    Absolutely bang on. No one wanted it to come to this but there was a group of us that saw this coming 4/5 years ago but not enough would listen. Now it reminds me of a boxer coming out of retirement to take another fight when we all know he shouldn't as his best days are well behind him.

  38. Brigham

    Feb 21, 2013, 11:53 #32338

    @Crispen - your post has to be the dumbest I have ever seen on this forum and I have been here a long, long time. Wenger is done, he has no idea how to get the best out of players anymore. he took over the best back five in the league in 1996 and has never replaced them IMHO. Like many others, I believe he lost the plot around 2008 and should have gone then. As long as he, Kronke and Gazidis are at the club, we will win nothing. The axe needs to be swung!

  39. N4

    Feb 21, 2013, 11:43 #32337

    We are fe k as a club from the board all the way to Wenger!!!...and are we fans!!! I have stopped spending money on Arsenal and going to matches a long time ago but still follow the demise of Arsenal!!!

  40. CanadaGooner

    Feb 21, 2013, 11:37 #32336

    Every sane arsenal fan is either openly or secretly fed up with wenger. However, I do agree with comments about 'bullying'; it is so easy these days for reporters, pundits and angry fans to take to social media and websites like this one to take advantage. Wenger is probably facing less pressure than managers at clubs like Liverpool who have probably spent more than arsenal and achieved less in the wenger era. Some of the rhetorics about wenger are a little dramatic! For goodness sake, the man is just a football manager and not the anti-Christ! A bit more perspective please people! Tone down the abuse a little and let's retain our dignity: this is the arsenal, not Blackburn!

  41. dave pearce

    Feb 21, 2013, 11:24 #32335

    Agree 100% I see the board are backing A.W. & giving hin a load of monies to strengthen the squad , what do you think he will do? buy some more gutless lightwight french cheap players who fit the A.W. mould instead of replaceing the players who gave their all for the club with guts & 100% effort,as you so rightly have said over the years we will never win anything under A.W,

  42. Johnny Boy

    Feb 21, 2013, 11:24 #32334

    Frankly, Asser, I was quite pleased you havent written an article in nearly 2 years and was quite disappointed to see you even published again. Never have I seen anyone jump on any bandwagon as much as this guy does. I will give you a few examples: Firstly he mentions he claims to not think we would win the league under Wenger since 2008 yet has posted 'articles' on another fan website with 'in Wenger we trust' the main gist of the article. Also he spends the whole preseason hoping and pleading with players like Fabregas, Nasri and Van Persie not to leave Arsenal and then claiming that the badge on the front of the shirt is bigger than the name on the back (technically its not) and then swinging back into asking the board and anyone why they were sold and using that as the reason we are doing so badly. This shows hipocracy beyond belief. Its clear, even though I have never met the guy, that he has little or very limited football knowledge as he never wishes to explain what he thinks is wrong with the tactics for example rather just happy to whinge and moan once we are playing badly. Without wanting to be called a hypocrite myself I think the reason Arsenal did so badly against Bayern could be down to the fact that he decided to play Theo upfront against quite possibly 2 of the biggest CB in Europe and not Giroud. Spends the whole time arteta was injured saying that Ramsey has found his position in a similar one to Arteta yet goes and plays him in a different one and finally playing vermalen at left back should never be an option. Just because he is left footed does not make him a left back. as good as he is a centre back he doesnt have the mobility needed for a full back especially agianst one of the worlds best wingers. Personally I would have like to see Jenkinson there as he knows the positioning required for a full back and would only have to slightly adjust. To sum up, I hope Arsenal win the league next year so Asser can come on here again in a years time to write an article about how he knew since 1993 that we would win the league in 2014 and he told us so.

  43. Ronster

    Feb 21, 2013, 11:10 #32332

    Will he have time to grab his coat as Robin slots in the winner to clinch the title in our back yard on Sunday 28th April...!?

  44. Old Gooner

    Feb 21, 2013, 11:01 #32331

    A great article. It's exactly what everyone I talk to are thinking. Everything that happens at this club either comes from or is agreed to by Wenger. But I think perhaps the saddest thing is that the longer it goes on the more his reputation is becoming tarnished. People will forget all the great teams he had and the trophies he won and only remember the bad times.

  45. Graham Simons

    Feb 21, 2013, 10:45 #32328

    Crispen - two points - firstly you need to substantiate your argument on how in hell we would be in the championship without Wenger - he took over a top 5 team not a team struggling at the foot of the league, also please give examples of which clubs' fans would like Arsene Wenger as manager.

  46. Canterbury Gooner

    Feb 21, 2013, 10:43 #32327

    I'd add that not only has he manufactured a decline where we are barely credible fourth place contenders, he's done so in what has become a substantially weaker league. Look at the results in the Europe this and last season with English clubs- the EPL is far closer to the perennially weak Ligue 1 and Serie A, perhaps being on par with the latter. So in other words we've slid down several massive tiers realistically. And that debunks the idea that we can't compete with City/Chelsea- we can't match two teams who couldn't make it past the group stages? I can't believe people don't emphasise this point more.

  47. Moscow Gooner

    Feb 21, 2013, 10:37 #32326

    Crispen - quote: if it wasn't for AW we'd be a championship side for sure?!? I don't recall AW being around from 1919 to 1996. Relegation was an outside chance in maybe only two or three of those 77 seasons. We were one of the biggest clubs in England before AW arrived and we will be when he is long gone. I think Kroenke AND Wenger are the problem. The combination is poisonous. Somebody once said all political careers finally end in tragedy; the same could be said of football management (Clough, Revie, Dalglish etc)

  48. Paul

    Feb 21, 2013, 9:57 #32325

    Even if we had no money there is no excuse for signing Chamakh Squillaci Park Santos and Gervinho and giving contracts to Rosicky and Diaby that is all down to Wenger.The lack of tactics has nothing to do with money.Wenger lost the plot in 2008 after Birmingham.This seaon is just a continuation of the last 8.But our board believes Inspector Cluesless is so how going to turn it around.No f****** chance

  49. Maina

    Feb 21, 2013, 9:41 #32323

    My fear is that even if we buy messi, he will be so demoralised by wenger that he will play **** football and make defenders like squillaci look like Nesta in his days.

  50. Paul

    Feb 21, 2013, 9:11 #32321

    Viva La Revolution! WENGER OUT

  51. MB

    Feb 21, 2013, 9:07 #32320

    Crispin did the board sign Santos, Park, Squallici and give long and extended contracts to Denilson, Bendtner Djourou and Diaby to name but. a few? Do the board teach tactics, defense and motivate? Our wage budget is less than Bayerns slightly and scarily more than Everton and Tottenhams. He has money just spends it very poorly the genius he was is now a flawed shadow of himself. Wenger Out...

  52. Tony

    Feb 21, 2013, 8:47 #32315

    All this anti Arsene nonesense is just going too far,and the people who are pushing it I wouldn't even call supporters anyway.Most of them are bullies who just want everybody to support them otherwise you'll get a bloody nose and called an AKB.Probably the same folk who went round terrorising people in the 70's and 80's probably while you call yourself the online "Gooner".

  53. Gaz

    Feb 21, 2013, 8:20 #32313

    For goodness sake can some of you please stop pretending the only problem this club has is related to a rumoured lack of money. Because even if Wenger was willing to spend heavily on players we'd still suffer because his sides would lack good coaching skills and basic preperation. It's always been a problem even when the side was full of good players and its the main reason we've never been successful in europe.

  54. HowardL

    Feb 21, 2013, 8:14 #32312

    I think it's a pretty good summary of what has occurred

  55. lanesra50

    Feb 21, 2013, 8:13 #32311

    excellent article.crispen your reply amazes me.these players are simply not good enough and thats all down to AW.

  56. mark from aylesbury

    Feb 21, 2013, 7:12 #32306

    Today Henry Winter in the Telegraph did those supporters who want a change of direction a favour by writing an open style letter to Kronke. Worth a read and great comparison with Bayerns board and management style. Winds of change and all that but now it is Kronke who will have to resist sensible debate. Rather than us fighting to get the debate heard. A subtle win in the battle to remove Wenger.

  57. crispen

    Feb 21, 2013, 7:03 #32304

    what a load of rubbish you write.If it wasn'nt for AW we would be a Championship club for sure. The problem is the board lying that there is money every summer. When we are being outspend by rubbish clubs like Stoke how do we expect to compete with teams like Bayern? we need to "spend the F$#@>.@ money. AW is not the problem. Kroenke is the big problem. Which one of his other teams are above mediocre? None.The sooner we recognize Arsenal's REAL problem the better. We look like fools shouting at AW while All those teams that we think are winners are dying to have him as their coach.

  58. Mark maynard

    Feb 21, 2013, 6:57 #32303

    From Arsene knows to Arsene's nose - Giuseppe's newborn

  59. RedandDread

    Feb 21, 2013, 6:51 #32302

    Try a valium mate........:)

  60. Gazgooner

    Feb 21, 2013, 6:46 #32301

    A totally rational, well written and constructed piece that could not more clearly describe the malaise now so badly afflicting this once great club. The inexorable slide into and past mediocrity is an indictment of the manager's ineptitude and the board's incompetence. Nothing is more clear to the rationally minded that a change was due years ago. I fear we are now not only the deserved butt of vile jokes but also perhaps too far down the decline for it to be halted in the near future.