Three Points

Online Editorial – Arsenal dump Villa into relegation zone



Three Points

Wilshere: Trying to drag his colleagues out of their malaise


Arsenal did just enough to see off a poor Aston Villa side at home yesterday. The finishing left a lot to be desired when opportunities were fathomed, and unless there is dramatic improvement on this front, Arsène Wenger’s hopes of another season in the Champions League are in serious jeopardy. Villa played with heart, but no great quality. It was almost enough to take a point.

The first half was fairly even on chances, the visitors being given plenty of encouragement by a side crying out for some organizational discipline. Santi Cazorla’s early goal eased nerves after a disastrous pair of cup matches, and partially quelled the chants for the manager’s head on the eight minute mark, although pockets of fans around the stadium could be heard chanting for him to go. It could become a regular part of the ‘matchday experience’ (copyright Arsenal PLC) if things do not improve.

Arsène Wenger told the press on Friday that the club could afford to sign a player with a £40 million price tag such as Atletico Madrid’s Falcao. “We are in a stronger situation where we can spend some money. I’m not reluctant to do so… we only had money recently”. This after years of the directors peddling out the line that the manager has funds to spend if he wants to. It was ventured to me yesterday that if the club had bought one genuinely top quality player every season – which they could have afforded to do if they took a ‘let’s speculate within our means’ approach – not only would they have a much better team now, they might have won a few trophies and retained some of the stars that have left to boot. However, the policy of buying young and developing a team was Wenger’s fantasy. It’s one now consigned to the bin, but it’s cost heavily in terms of a large number of longer term supporters who feel that they cannot recognise any facet of what Arsenal used to mean to them in the current team, with the exception of the number 10, a genuine youth product from the club. More on that later.

Jack Wilshere spent much of the game yesterday harrying his colleagues. There is no question he is already the leader on the field and his frustration is evident. The hope must be that things improve sooner rather than later before he joins the exodus. Flyers were being handed out before the match advertising Arsenal licensed wallpaper. Amongst the options you could choose were current players. Imagine if this had been launched this time last year, and a boy’s bedroom was covered in the man of the moment Robin van Persie? Football can be hard to explain to kids sometimes. I remember Nigel Phillips of the Arsenal Supporters Trust asking Ivan Gazidis at the last AGM how he was supposed to explain the departure of heroes like Van Persie to his young son. Arsenal build them up then cash in on them. Gazidis dismissed Phillips’ words stating he wasn’t sure if it was a question or an expression of angst.

I am not really sure what effect failure to finish in the top four might have this season. Certainly, the £40 million lost revenue will be an inconvenience. However, 2014 sees significant hikes in income thanks to the new kit and sponsorship deals. Will it stop top players arriving at the club? Well, the last one they signed was in 2009 and before that… are we counting Tomas Rosicky? He was hardly on a Bergkamp scale. I think we actually have to go back to Sol Campbell for the last superstar signing before Andrey Arshavin. So just the two in twelve seasons then. Let’s be honest. Arshavin was a reluctant buy anyway, as his subsequent treatment has proved. Isn’t the talk of splashing the cash just peddling out the usual BS to persuade the season ticket renewals to come in.

Here is an idea for those who want to send the club a clear message that their policies need to change, and that sporting concerns need to take priority over posting profit. (Wenger on Friday – “‘Trophies for me are the Premier League and the Champions League because they are of higher quality.” Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Trophies for fans include the FA Cup and the League Cup, hence the anger after last weekend. Arsène knows best????). Season ticket renewals. You may refuse to give up on your season ticket, but you can make the club sweat. If you do not renew until, say July 15th, they are not going to sell your seat to someone else. Why? Because they cannot afford to lose you. If they enquire, just tell them you are uncertain if you will be renewing as you need to wait until mid-July before being certain you can afford it. If enough fans do it, the club’s end of year figures will take a dent, which will make the club worth less. And what do you or I care what it is worth on the books?

Arsenal will not buy Falcao or any other superstar this summer. For starters, it would go slap bang against the wage policy. Secondly, if Arsenal started improving as a result of a superstar signing, Arsene Wenger would not be able to take any credit. He was quick enough to stop Steve Bould having input into training once people started crediting the assistant coach for the improvement in the team’s resilience. We are going to get the same old, same old whether we are in the Champions League or not. Shopping in Kwiksave when Marks and Spencers could be afforded. The older you get, the more entrenched you become in your ways. Wenger, 63 years old, is having a great time doing his coaching drills specialising on technique. There is no work done on organisation and defensive discipline, no tactics in preparation for a specific opponent. He doesn’t enjoy matchdays so much now because with the passing of time, the flaw in his method becomes exposed more and more. His successes at the club would not have happened without inheriting George Graham’s defence and his good fortune in securing Sol Campbell. Since Campbell departed in 2006, the club have won sweet FA.

So Arsenal struggled to beat a frankly average Aston Villa team who may well be playing in the second tier next season. I hadn’t heard of half of their players. The points were unquestionably vital in the chase for a Champions League spot, but I cannot say I actually care about being in that competition any more. The dispassionate feeling I had during the Bayern game remained during the match against Villa. And I realised that, aside from Wilshere, I don’t really care about these players any more. And that is very, very worrying. I have spent eleven years setting these guys up as some kind of heroes to my own son and I’m feeling guilty because I’ve sold the poor kid a pup, as most of them aren’t even trying. Who in that side, do you feel is going to lay their body on the line for Arsenal FC, bust a gut to get a result? They are all far too comfortable, hence my desire to see a Mourinho-style manager who would put a few rockets up a few backsides. Then they’d all be busting a gut like our de facto skipper.

To be happy that the team can just about overcome relegation contenders at home is clutching at straws. However, a silver lining. Abou Diaby’s removal from the fray for another injury will mean we do not have to put up with any more of the standard of performances we have seen from him since his return. Get back to the treatment table where you belong Abou and stay there. Please. I think 2014 is the end of your deal when you can depart along with the man who has ensured you will never have to do an honest day’s work in your life.

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  1. Scruff

    Oct 23, 2017, 11:20 #104590

    Did Everton really pay 30 million for Pickford? Threw himself around but has no ability to catch/smother the ball. When they get relegated no doubt we will try to buy him! Good performance against a woeful side and to think if we had the 'cajones' to beat Watford we would be 3rd....says a lot about the quality in this league!

  2. Scruff

    Oct 22, 2017, 20:12 #104583

    Guy in Jersey excellent post also if we had wingers who could put in decent ball's into the correct area and played to his obvious strength he would be far more prolific. Unfortunately we have a manager who believes in the likes of Walcott

  3. Guy in Jersey

    Oct 22, 2017, 18:40 #104582

    I've said it before, but Giroud is very much like Edin Dzeko, another underrated player. Apart from their personal characteristics (both 31, and 6'4"), they've always scored goals, are first choice for their respective nations, and both have led their teams to league titles in other countries. Giroud is the perfect squad player in that, like Dzeko, he'll never be the star, but still adds a hell of a lot to the team (even when coming off the bench). Ultimately, a striker will always be judged on goals, and both he and Dzeko have scored bucketloads - unlike goal-shy Arsenal forwards such as Wellbeck (who has a pathetic strike rate), Lucas Perez (who had ONE good season with Deportivo), Takuma Asano (currently out on loan), failures such as Chamakh, Bendtner, Gervinho, Vela and Park Chu-Young, and complete jokes like Sanogo. So, Olivier might not be brilliant, but he's still bloody good, and will hopefully be remembered with more affection than other international strikers such as Podolski and Adebayor. Final point. Do you Everton would be where they are now if they'd had him up front this season?

  4. Paulward

    Oct 22, 2017, 18:17 #104581

    Giroud is just a good player, if he had pace he would be a great one. Been impressed with his attitude this season , not getting in the team but keeping his head down and his mouth shut, and scoring a few goals. Hard to criticise the bloke, I’m not sure what his critics expect when he only cost 12 mill.

  5. mbg

    Oct 22, 2017, 18:06 #104580

    Were we playing today ? wenger out.

  6. Petergooner

    Oct 22, 2017, 11:52 #104579

    There is one reason for Giroud, he is different. He can hold the ball up, get into the penalty area and rise to head the ball. We do not have anyone else who can do this. We must keep him.

  7. Bard

    Oct 22, 2017, 10:59 #104578

    Where do you get the idea that Giroud is scapegoated because Arsenal dont win anything? My impression is that he is admired for what he is, a willing but limited workhorse. He would have gone this season but for the fact that his wife apparently didn't fancy the move up north. How you view him depends on the level you are competing at. Europa league is our current level and he did well.

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 26, 2013, 20:23 #32667

    Graham Simons, your right i doubt Diaby would react in the same way as Rocky, his would probably be how much is my pay off.

  9. Graham Simons

    Feb 26, 2013, 14:41 #32652

    Croker - couldn't agree more regarding Diaby. The frightening thing is George Graham had that difficult discussion with Arsenal legend the late Rocky Rocastle, who was in tears when told he was being sold. Somehow I don't think Diaby would react in the same way were he to delivered similar news.

  10. Jon

    Feb 26, 2013, 10:32 #32628

    And to think that I used to write for this rag! His 'fortune in signing Sol'? What are you on! Cannot stand self righteous Gooners, cause you're the editor ofthe most anti-Arsene piece of tabloid around doesn't give you some divine insight Kevin! How are you aware of the Bould situation??? Someone who 'works in the youth and that' no doubt! He needs to change his ways yes, but vilifying the man after a hard earnt win makes you no supporter!!! This place 'The Gooner' has become a bitter laughing stock. You used to be quite funny and lighthearted. Start supporting the team FFS!

  11. Up4grabs

    Feb 26, 2013, 10:12 #32626

    Michael Laudrup.... Two words for all those cretins who have spouted 'well who could we get to manage Arsenal" if we ever were able to move on from Wenger. There are loads of good managers out there.... Some even less well known than Wenger was when we poached him from that footballing powerhouse Grampus 8! I was there on Saturday... It was exactly like a mid-80s snooze feast. We're going nowhere

  12. Nilz21

    Feb 26, 2013, 0:07 #32621

    @Dazzamatazz Let us know when you find your mythical balanced view. I think you'll find the same negative comments everywhere bar the official arsenal website. The proof is in the pudding to why these negative comments are getting louder and louder

  13. underacheiver

    Feb 25, 2013, 21:04 #32619

    As mr de totteridge suggests i've taken out a subscription to the gooner, the online additinr. This is money that in the past would have been spent on Arsenal merchandise, so that makes it doubly pleasing.

  14. Dazzamatazz

    Feb 25, 2013, 19:52 #32614

    More agenda-driven copy. Depressive and negative, the attacks on Arsenal playing staff are sad and desperate. I used to love reading The Gooner, but I'll go to other blogs for a more balanced view. The real need for change is at The Gooner. #WhitcherOut

  15. Gooner age

    Feb 25, 2013, 19:47 #32613

    I was very anoid at a couple of fans who turned up late for the first half, proceeded to leave their seats a number of times, turned up late for the second half and didn't join in any chants or say much until villa scored. At this point they spent over 10 minutes telling our no.1 how f&&king useless he was and more words to that affect and as we were behind the goal Szczesny was often in earshot. However, a major representative of the gooner wishing injury on one of our players is equally sad. Maybe the club aren't the only ones who have forgotten the Arsenal way.

  16. Ron

    Feb 25, 2013, 17:18 #32605

    It was hard to tell who was the top team from the bottom one in the main to be honest. The CL 'chase' is lost on me really. We cant win it. They say we need to be there to attract the top players though.How so? We neither seek to buy them (hence we ve clearly no interest in winning it) and certainly cant keep the odd one's we develop from time to time. Buy Falcao? Dont make me laugh Arsene and anyway, i let my Season ticket go a while back so youve no need to try and induce me to get another one 'on hire' and believe me there are hundreds on offer!The likes of Wilshere are pledging support for AW, but my guess is he ll be one to go come Summer 2014. He so, so far ahead of every player in the squad now, it s embarrasing for both him and the others!He'll have to leave to do justice to whats going to be a fantastic career and i for one wont blame him. We re a nursery Club. End of. If they really want to save money, they should offer the Club up to one of the top 5 Euro Clubs as a franchisee, and be labelled the official nursery and reserve Club for whomsoever. That way we get their quality young players on short term loans, we ship out all of our deadwood and stiffs and guarantee the sell on fees for the few decent players we produce ourselves and will have no need to be bothering with more than a few Clubs each sale.

  17. Alsace Lorraine De Totteridge

    Feb 25, 2013, 15:13 #32602

    On Sky Sports News over the weekend I saw Monsieur W stating that he was not going to take any notice of people who had not been 30 years in the game suggesting that he does not know what he is doing. Well Arsene, I have been watching football at Arsenal since 1981, and I can never remember a time where we were not in with a chance of getting to Wembley in one or other of the competitions. We have been dumped out this season by a fourth and a second division side. Ergo this is arguably the worst performing Arsenal side for 30 years in relative terms. It is not we mere mortals that are alone in suggesting that AW does not know what he is doing. It is the results that do so. It is the facts. The Editor seems to have been somewhat unleashed in his views after his employers recent public concern as to his views. They are justifiably concerned that AKB's may not purchase the hard copy Gooner. Can I suggest that the large percentage of respondents to this website who want a change of manager, get out their debit cards and obtain a subscription to the magazine. I have done so and can report that it arrives promptly in a plain cover full of all the juicy goodness that we have come to expect. This will be a welcome shot in the arm both for the Editors views and the finances of his august employers, who simply need a bit of encouragement.

  18. 1971 Gooner

    Feb 25, 2013, 14:41 #32601

    Good result against Villa, but ask yourselves a question when Arsene tries to convince us we can challenge for trophies - were we closer to Bayern than Villa were to us last week? I know what I think.

  19. Red Member

    Feb 25, 2013, 14:22 #32600

    declan - no point in fans just staying away if they have already paid for their tickets. there should be a mass boycott of season tickets - then there may be change

  20. Tony Evans

    Feb 25, 2013, 14:03 #32598

    Steve Bould's Shorts - Such is the size of Wenger's ego I would not doubt for one moment that he got the hump over the credit Bould was getting for the early season defensive improvement and nipped it in the bud pronto!

  21. A New Hope

    Feb 25, 2013, 13:29 #32597

    Top piece Kevin. Ignore the AKBs please. The FACTS are simple: 8 years, no trophies. Laudrup managed it with a squad that almost cost less than that useless clown Giroud virtually. Wenger is paid £7 mil a season, more than anyone else in England; and how can ANYONE justify his incompetence? You WIN OR GO HOME. Wenger says when pressed 'money is no guarantee of success'. Fair enough. But then, when pressed on why he wins nothing ever, he says 'we cannot compete'. Errrr hold on Mr Lies, did you not just say money was no guarantee of success! ManYoo won the league despite a much lower wage bill than Citeh and Chelski. Spuds hae a wage bill 40% lower than Arsenal's and are going to leapfrog Chelski, and might embarrass us Sunday. Arsenal HAVE A HIGHER WAGE BILL THAN DORTMUND, AC MILAN, JUVENTUS AND BAYERN MUNCHEN! Yet Wenger was moaning about Bayern's money! Bayern bring through youth: Schweinsteiger, Kroos, Alaba, Muller. That's 4 first teamers. Wenger in 10 years can point to Wilshere. That's IT. Despite his 'youth policy'. Wenger has wasted £105 mil in 18 months on new players, (check the figures) and yet, Arsenal are now worse than they have EVER been under him. Another Fact. He has mismanaged Arsenal on every level, he constantly lies. Anyone believing the guff about 'top players' is as deluded as the mad French hatter himself. No 'top player' will join Arsenal because Arsene FC is now a selling club that wins nothing, prides itself on 4th and rips off and disrespects its REAL fans. The REAL Arsenal fans are the ones realising this club is so much bigger than Wenger, and that they refuse to tolerate the current abject mediocrity. The plastics, are the ones who think they are 'real' fans by spending stupid money on getting ripped off each week, and that buying into all of Arsene's lies makes them 'loyal'. Wenger is a Loser and until Arsenal appoint a new manager who can completely change the rancid culture of Wenger failure, this club goes nowhere. And I shan't spen a penny on it. People can chat all they want about 'the board', it was not Kroenk who blewall that ash on Gervinho, Giroud, Santos, Denilson, and awarded Ramsey and Diaby mega-contracts. WENGER OUT.

  22. Croker

    Feb 25, 2013, 13:23 #32596

    Abou Diaby seems to cop a lot of blame for other peoples' mismanagement away from the pitch. He had an ankle smashed having been targeted by a thug in a red and white striped shirt (sound familiar?)and his rehab has left one leg shorter than another. I don't know how many of his fiercest critics can compete at Prem League level but Abou's physique and post injury condition leave him prone to niggling injuries which as @matt1202 at least points out, must be awful for him even more than it frustrates everyone who wills him to succeed. He is not lazy or failing to apply himself; he is struggling against his failing limbs to realise the potential we see in fleeting glimpses of brilliance such as at Anfield last autumn when he bossed the midfield. Where fault lies, as I think Kevin alludes to, is that he has been given every opportunity to return to the side and now someone has to take a gut wrenching decision to say "Thanks for all you have done Abou but you are not going to make it as an Arsenal player" and that conversation has been put off for far too long. As has been put in Henry Winter's letter to Wiggy Stan (well worth a read - Google it) and elsewhere in these pages, Wenger needs to be challenged in the Boardroom and the training field to embrace change to organising the side's tactics and the transfer policy. If Wenger won't embrace change then it is time for him to go. I sympathise with Kevin and all the other Gooners who feel we've been patient enough already with Wenger but as he says, these pages are an Open Church and not all Gooners want Wenger to be booed out of a job. i'm not ready or prepared to embrace an Usmanov lead revolution either - be careful what you wish for folks should Stan sell out.

  23. Red Member

    Feb 25, 2013, 13:17 #32595

    excellent post from Gunnerzzz - I also believe that was the day Wenger/Gazidis/Kroenke cannot recover from one thought now that we are 2 points from 3rd place - the PL really is now a very poor quality

  24. John Lynch

    Feb 25, 2013, 12:54 #32593

    You're spot on Kevin. Without George Graham's defence , our maestros in midfield and attack (of which Wenger deserves credit) would have been let down by the back five that Wenger would have had to sign and which would have been his usual no hopers.. Jack apart , and Cesc before him , I haven't cared less about a set of players since I first went to Arsenal in 1974.. Wenger is ruining this beautiful club.

  25. Vampire Persie

    Feb 25, 2013, 11:09 #32587

    A Wenger out protest for the 8th minute, sunk by a goal in the 6th.... LOL! I guess the Wenger trolls are now hoping for a heavy defeat at Spurs? You're shooting the wrong target. If anyone thinks a different manager could have kept us in the champions league under the current board, you might want to think again...

  26. Owen N1

    Feb 25, 2013, 9:56 #32581

    Kev, and particularly Gaz, you are bang on. This side could improve imeasurably if coached by someone who values a clean sheet and has more than one "tactic". Our manager's arrogance has in fact lead to the ruin of several promising careers as the thierry magic wand was only capable of changing the natural position of a great player once, in the long distant past. I will no doubt be roundly slated for the following but, following man u last season and qpr home this, with counltess examples in between, my last attendance at a wenger's arsenal game was swansea at home. teams who are capable of playing like that do not improve under the same "guidance".

  27. Steve Bould's Shorts

    Feb 25, 2013, 9:32 #32578

    "He was quick enough to stop Steve Bould having input into training once people started crediting the assistant coach for the improvement in the team’s resilience" PLEASE PLEASE stop putting this in your articles you’re embarrassing yourself it’s the 3rd time I’ve heard this rubbish from you. Do you honestly believe this to be fact? Wenger may have his faults but he's not some jealous boy sabotaging his younger brothers Lego set.

  28. Mike

    Feb 25, 2013, 8:50 #32573

    Thanks to those who pointed out that Martin Keown was involved - I was not aware of that - but what it does show is that Wengers defence 10 years subsequent to GG era was one of the best in Europe. He just needs someone to coach them - surprised that no-one on this site has called for MK to coach the team

  29. Tony Evans

    Feb 25, 2013, 8:22 #32570

    Kevin - you hit the nail on the head when you say how little you care for this bunch of players - Wilshire apart. What a mess we are in and all because of one mans ego and a board that puts profit over prizes. We beat a poor Villa side and are in the hunt for a top four finish again, which will enable Wenger to have yet another crack at the CL, to the detriment of 'lesser' trophies like the FA Cup. I am about as excited by that prospect as you seem to be, Kevin!

  30. Lets put Steve Walford on for the last 10 minutes

    Feb 25, 2013, 8:17 #32569

    Manu999, yes, clearly Moyes is a bad idea because they lost to Norwich. I mean, what serious team and manager would do that.......

  31. Reg

    Feb 25, 2013, 7:54 #32567

    @ Richard Dickerson. I don't think the back 4 has been unsettled this season. I think Right back has been from either Sagna or Jenkinson. Centre halves generally 2 from the normal 3 suspects (Sunderland excluded). Left back a problem wholly created by Wenger's inability to replace Clichy, hopefully now sorted. Not only about the back 4 but due to the style of play. Lack of cover from midfield (tracking runs, etc), No one attacking set pieces (doesn't matter whether zonal or man to man), Full backs are constantly either attacking or tucked in and give wide players acres of space. The general gung ho style of play means we are always vunerable and as always the better teams just exploit this mercilessly. Needs to be a fundamental change in the style of play and that doesn't mean going defensive just being much better at it.

  32. declan burke

    Feb 25, 2013, 7:36 #32566

    Thousands of empty seats on saturday, it looked terrible, and it was a blatant message to the board and Wenger, Many will say that they won't care because those seats are paid for hence the official attendance 60,000 plus, but money in the bank is pointless if the atmosphere is dying and the fans are protesting in the most effective way possible - BOYCOTT. I'm sure this is going to gather momentum. This was a clear message-The whole outlook of this club has to change drastically this summer - starting with Wenger being removed then new blood on the board.

  33. joe so sad

    Feb 25, 2013, 6:01 #32565

    What a poor little blog full of Arsenal haters only crap followers would want the Scum to beat us. Singing praises of RVP who many wanted him to leave the club as he was injury prone , oh sorry you dont remember that. Kevin if andits a big if you are an Arsenal fan then FFS bugger of to SHL.

  34. gouresh

    Feb 25, 2013, 5:35 #32564

    Put in Carl Jenkinson's name next to Jack's as well. Both care for the team. Hope you've seen his picture celebrating the 2nd goal against Villa.

  35. Manu999

    Feb 24, 2013, 22:21 #32561

    Win or loose its always anti wenger national day... How many time do we need to hear it.... On the positive side we are 2 points of third and Everton and the mighty David Moyes have lost more ground...(are you really sure he should be managing our team....) whatever your views you should be supporting the team... And not wishing fans should fight each other or tha our team looses against spurs..... Or don't call yourself a gooner. You are just very sad...

  36. N4

    Feb 24, 2013, 21:25 #32559

    Kevin spot on article as 1 win means nothing compare to some that just go soft and behave as if we should not keep the fans pressure on after 1 win!

  37. David

    Feb 24, 2013, 21:23 #32558

    Mike... think the 2006 Champions League defensive record was achieved when Martin Keown was employed by the club on a temporary contract?

  38. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 24, 2013, 21:23 #32557

    I have no intention of going into figures,budgets,wages,but i'm sure their their a hell of a lot lower than ours,but well done to mighty Swansea and Michael Laudrup on doing something our club, or manager hasn't managed to do in eight years now, winning silverware, by beating a team in the final that embarrassed the mighty arsenal in a previous round.And also doing something that ourselves and the manager has yet to do this season secure european football.Also congratulations to Kyle Bartley who has again joined the list of players who have won something since leaving, jumping ship,or whatever i'm sure another one of our ex players RVP will be joining you soon with his PL medal.

  39. Tony

    Feb 24, 2013, 20:38 #32556

    A lot of hot air,whoever we ever beat according to you are rubbish.Our defence although not brilliant there is only City who have conceded less,also with nearly 50,000 on season ticket waiting list I can't see how the club are that concerned about renewals.Why does everybody have to hero worship Jack and put the other players down,very childish Arsenal fans always do this with one player telling them their too good for us to force him to leave.Most people on this site seem to just want to ruin Arsenal very sad.

  40. David

    Feb 24, 2013, 20:15 #32555

    All sounds very glum. The man who had it right about Arsenal's ambitions and prospects was the man who made the most potent indictment of the failure of Wenger's project youth: RVP. The vast majority of season ticket holders pay for a season at an extortionate price because they believe Arsenal can win things. You, and the board, are utterly deluded if you think 60,000 will turn out every week purely because of their passion/obsession/love for Arsenal. They don't at Liverpool any more because Liverpool have slid into medicrity. Without the genuine means to compete with Manc U, Citeh and Chelsea, the Emirates will just be a big empty folly because people will stop going. One big signing a season? The problem with that is that we can't afford any of them to fail, whereas the other clubs can. A failure on the Torres or Veron scale would break Arsenal, but not Chelsea or Manc U. To buy big, you have to have enough to afford the move to fail, and Arsenal cannot do that. Also, what do you tell the prospective signing? 'I know we don't have much at the moment, but in three years time, with luck and good form, you will be joined by two other superstars'. That's gonna work. The only way Arsenal will be able to compete again is with the money of the fat Russian. Wenger's reign has been strikingly biblical: 8 years of plenty followed by 8 years of famine. Unlike the biblical story, there would appear to be no happy ending in sight.

  41. James

    Feb 24, 2013, 19:48 #32554

    @mike I think you will find the man who coached the 2006 team that got to the CL final was a certain Martin Keown and not Wenger.And of course Wenger got rid of him straight after

  42. Richard Dickerson

    Feb 24, 2013, 19:42 #32553

    Reg I don't believe everything in the garden is rosy but it's not as bad as some will have you believe. In his first season as first team coach Steve Bould has done well considering the numerous enforced changes to the defense. Until we get a settled back 4 over a lengthy period we're always going to be vulnerable to conceding goals. Yet remarkably only Man City have conceded fewer goals in the PL. Yesterday was only the 2nd time our back 4 had played together and in the previous game at Sunderland Jenkinson was sent off. I fear for us next weekend going to the Lane with two relatively new full backs as Spurs will deploy Lennon & Bale to seriously test Jenkinson & Monreal. Comparisons to 'THE BACK 4' are unfair as they played together what must have amounted to hundreds of times. Dixon, Winterburn & Bould weren't superstars when they were signed but over time they became among the best defenders in the land. The game continues to evolve and we now play a more expansive game, with the emphasis on attack, unlike GG's 1-0 to the Arsenal teams. Parallels were also made with the leaky defense in Billy Wrights side in 1966 with today's team. Wright's team conceded 75 goals in 42 league games and were a bottom half team. Chalk & cheese!

  43. Moscow gooner

    Feb 24, 2013, 19:15 #32551

    I think AW is safe until his contract runs out. So another wasted season, where we will go backwards in terms of team development - but still finish 4th... What would persuade me not to renew is a further extension to his contract. Otherwise I think - through gritted teeth - we have to hope for a few more games like the 5-2 in the NLD and look forward to a new era from 2014/15 on.

  44. mike

    Feb 24, 2013, 19:07 #32550

    Doesn't Wengers defensive set up also hold the record for going the longest without having a goal scored agianst them in the Champions league or was it with the remnants of GG back four? Can't remember now

  45. Danluvsafc

    Feb 24, 2013, 19:05 #32548

    What is wrong with you people defending a player( or should I say waste of space) diaby?. Can these people actually tell me how many starts or even games he finishes he has made since he has come to the club many moons ago. We cannot afford to carry passengers like this anymore. He is a massive drain on our clubs wage bill for being forever on the treatment table. On the rare occasions he is fit he constantly gives the ball away and offers us no options or any drive going forward. Can you tell me how many top sides this parasite would get into?

  46. Stevesam

    Feb 24, 2013, 18:50 #32547

    @Jude – thanks for confirming the versatility of Ramsey and how he has become an asset to the squad. Recently some fool suggested he should go out on loan ! What does surprise me is that you believe Ramsey is slow, did you watch Diaby and Arteta ? They are really slow. I cannot understand the AW logic of playing Diaby or Ramsey before Sicky, to me he is the better of the three. Another simple save for the keeper to make and he f**ked it up. Still he can sleep tonight as there is no competition. Swansea made Bradford look mugs at Wembley, Laudrup has a Trophy, we still have our Trophy to play for, starting next week. The noisy neighbours have very short memories, still they have always been deluded.

  47. Gunnerzzz

    Feb 24, 2013, 18:00 #32545

    I think the day RVP abruptly brought a halt to the talks with Gazidis and Wenger last summer did for them. Say what you want about him but he dident listen to their bull for one minute. I believe he wanted to stay, but could see clearly it was going to be more of the same. I think his subsequent statement on his website may turn out to be the best thing he could have done for the club.

  48. CanadaGooner

    Feb 24, 2013, 17:28 #32544

    @ DW Thomas; mate, I think you're overlooking one very significant fact here: who brought Viera in? And who managed him? (remember all those red cards?). We can all blame Wenger all we want, and yes he deserves a lot of blame, but players like Viera and Henry are natural winners who stood up to be counted. You say Diaby could have been a Viera under better management? Well, it was the same management that made Viera a Viera! I do however agree with the rest of your comments. You only have to look at Wenger and compare his comments from 1996 to what he says nowadays: but we all have ourselves to thank for this arrogant, big headed version of Wenger that we now have; all those award ceremonies where he sits beside Fergie as the two longest serving managers and all that crap got to Wenger's head and he forgot how to produce results on the pitch. But more importantly, he began to buy players who can only perform occasionally.

  49. Paul the Gooner

    Feb 24, 2013, 17:25 #32543

    Swansea battering the mighty Bradford at Wembley to win a trophy.Something that is beneath us of course.So much better to win the virtual trophy.See you all at the vitual town hall parade.Wenger out

  50. Jude J.

    Feb 24, 2013, 16:52 #32542

    Arsene cited that we already had two players for each position in support of his decision not to augment the squad in January. Who knew Ramsey was the second player he was referring to. Arsene's love affair with one of our slowest, least skillful players continues -- Ramsey the winger, Ramsey the holding midfielder, Ramsey the wingback. Does Arsene rate him as a goalkeeper? Our first choice is a bit rubbish at the moment. Our reliance on Ramsey in positions he's unsuited hasn't come back to bite us yet, and I hope it doesn't, because the scrap for Champions League football is well and truly on. Come on Arsenal.

  51. Tav

    Feb 24, 2013, 16:47 #32541

    ......Wenger saying he feels we aren't that far off Bayern in terms of quality...every time he makes a statement like that it feels as though he is intentionally trying to take the piss out of us...surely he can't believe it, can he?!!!

  52. Dan h

    Feb 24, 2013, 16:47 #32540

    Yesterday was all about getting the win two men drove us over the line Wilshere & Cazorla.Cazorla for me is a top talent & he has had quiet games for us at times but in his first season you can't argue with the amount of goals & assists he has.The fact we have a derth of top players means both he & Wilshere are needed to carry the team on a weekly basis.The talk of what we have to spend & having the ability to now spend big if required are just that.However the season pans out CL qualification or not if you are ambitous pay well players will sign.The club may have a waiting list for season ticket holders but it will worry them as there are going to be a lot of long term holders giving up their tickets this summer.Time for the talking to stop this summer whatever your views on the manager or board invest a reasonable amount in the team & the club will be stronger.

  53. CanadaGooner

    Feb 24, 2013, 16:36 #32539

    @mark from aylesbury; mark, the press and pundits have always been bitter towards arsenal because we have failed to add to the crazy glamour of the league by not buying the Ronaldo's or tevez and players like that. But I don't disagree with your other point. @6oonerpete and other with similar views; if your passion is tied to who the manager is, then you're an idiot. How many times do clubs ever bring in a manager the fans want? (Nobody wanted or knew Wenger when he was brought in! Also, the clubs that brought fans favourites in have ended up nowhere: Where is King Kenny now?). With the incompetent board we currently have at arsenal, do you think they will bring In a manager that will oppose their money making model? Don't be daft people: yes, wenger has become a parasite and must go, but his departure will not bring any improvement to the team. We may recover after a few seasons but only an idiot would think wenger will leave and arsenal will suddenly get better. I can just see you lot on here after wenger leaves! Support the club, not the manager ninnies!

  54. HowardL

    Feb 24, 2013, 16:07 #32538

    Match Report - AFC: poor display, chaotic defending, quite fortunate to win. Thanks Santi.

  55. Mikey59

    Feb 24, 2013, 16:04 #32537

    Kevin, whilst I agree with most on here that Wemger has been allowed to mismanage the club for too long, that Diaby is slow and should not not be starting and that Theo and others are just not good enough, it's just plain wrong to abuse individual players in the way you have Diaby in your last para. I cannot think of any circumstances EVER where I would not want the Arsenal to stuff the Spuds. Lets all get behind the team until the end of the season and postpone all the morale sapping protests until then.

  56. Trevor

    Feb 24, 2013, 15:54 #32535

    Agree that something's rotten in Holloway, but we're two points off third, ffs! Up the Arsenal.

  57. Richard Dickerson

    Feb 24, 2013, 15:43 #32534

    It's come to something when Arsenal supporters want Spurs to beat us to justify wallowing in their own self pity. I'm sue Daniel Levy will welcome you with open arms at the Lane. Don't forget to wear your new acquired white shirts with JUDAS printed on the back. Do Dare Is To Do!!! PL update. Arsenal now have the 2nd best goals against record in PL and are now only 2 points behind Chelsea. As for selling our best players, I would only have RVP back, Fabregas maybe but to replace who, Jack or Santi? As for Nasri, Kolo, Clichy, Song, no thanks! Well sold AW. Kevin, the criticism of Diaby was below the belt.

  58. Highbury Boy

    Feb 24, 2013, 15:43 #32533

    As another holder of 4 STs for more years than I care to remember TC @Post 35201 sums up my feelings perfectly. I just can't bear listening to Wenger's spin anymore.

  59. DW Thomas

    Feb 24, 2013, 15:25 #32532

    Good win despite us trying so hard to throw it away. Cazorla and Jack carried the team yesterday. Our goalkeeper had nothing to do most of the game yet gets two hands to a decent shot and can't keep it out? Same old issues since 2006. Poor defending, no finishing, and total lack of tactics. Diaby could have been the next Viera with a better coach. He has all the qualities. Yet, I can't tell if it is the way he runs with those long legs, but he looks as if he is jogging at one speed defensively. Same with Theo, Arshavin, Ox, Podolski. All the players need a kick up the ass. Don't ever give that argument about pressure. These men make so much money it's ridiculous. Deal with the pressure boys, that's part of the game. As for top 4? Why don't we challenge for top spt and see where the chips fall? If you aim for perfection you'll achieve excellence. Aim for 4th, and you will fail to be champions again and again. And no way we'll see true world class signings again. Arshavin was terrific often when he arrived. Yet, he seemed allowed to become lazy and indifferent. Sure dealing with all those egos is tough as manager. But what is the $7 million for? Worst thing is the not caring as a fan anymore. Jack ad afew others is all that's left of my beloved team. If a player lie Sagna, at his peak the best right back in the country is tossed aside this summer, who is next? We keep Diaby through all his problems, and RVP, yet can't stick with a loyal lion like Sagna? It's lunacy all over!

  60. Treble Double

    Feb 24, 2013, 15:23 #32531

    Regardless of your views of AW, does there really have to constantly be so many personal attacks on him? Anyone who wants us to lose next week clearly isn't a Gooner. Jamie Hunter, you should be embarrassed by your comment!

  61. Reg

    Feb 24, 2013, 14:55 #32530

    @ Richard Dickerson. I know you want to believe that everything is rosy in the Wenger garden but to suggest that defence is in fact doing a great job is really not going to wash. I won't bother to point out the obvious weaknesses but we are vulnerable against any crap side (see the Villa game for proof), these weaknesses gets magnified and exploited by better teams (see the Bayern game).

  62. marwoodonthewing

    Feb 24, 2013, 14:44 #32529

    Seems like a like of people on here think 4th place is a given, I really like your confidence! I would like to echo matt1202 comments. Say what you like about this current team but your comments Kevin about Wenger being lucky inheriting the GG back four and being lucky to get Sol Campbell are both incorrect and disrespectful. You should know better than that Kevin. Up the Arsenal.

  63. maguiresbridge gooner

    Feb 24, 2013, 14:32 #32527

    We didn't have to dump villa very far Kev as they were basically already there.That's something this team have got very good at of late beating teams in the relegation zone by the odd goal, and more often than not struggle to do so, teams we should be swotting away like flies and used to be the case.And after the early goal you'd have thought we were going to do just that with three four or more but no this is the modern arsenal who huff and puff and miss chances and make the usual mistakes especially the keeper who is getting worse, and let them back into it and then we nick it at the end.Your mention of Jack's frustration is worrying and the chances of buying Falcao's and the like to compliment him or even better than we have now are nil, ogl is not going to change his ways now.It's been said on here many times before that being in the CL makes no difference as all to the team,all that lovely dough doesn't exactly be spent on real top top class players, and whether that alone would attract them in the first place as they would need the same type of players around them to be actually in with a chance of winning it, as maybe that's what jack is starting to find out now.But one thing we can be sure about if we don't qualify this year, regardless of all the spin that we'll hear about records and finances is it will be a hell of a blow to ego's and it might be enough to wake them up out of their slumber, doubtful but you'd never know.Good article Kev.

  64. GoonerRon

    Feb 24, 2013, 13:47 #32526

    @ Jamie Hunter - it might just be me but we could have the spawn of satan in charge (no comparisons to Wenger required) and I still would want to annihilate the Spuds. Seriously, you will watch the game and WANT them to beat us? It is totally beyond me.

  65. 6OONER PETE

    Feb 24, 2013, 13:29 #32525

    I agree with TC, James, Angry and Frustrated, Gaz, Andy B and Carlos. Basically, when Wenger goes I can start feeling passionate about Arsenal again.

  66. Mark Rice

    Feb 24, 2013, 13:24 #32524

    I didnt hear anybody giving Wenger greif on 8 mins which was a shame - I think a slow hand clap would be better than 'Wenger out' as nobody would feel too bad about that as you could clap for different reasons - like selling RVP to ManU - and not risk being rounded on by AKBs! What you say about renewing the seat must be given more plugs as its got to happen as the PR spin as already started about the big players we will 'NOT' sign!!

  67. mark from aylesbury

    Feb 24, 2013, 13:18 #32523

    Wenger keeps on trying to justify himself anf quell questioning from the press. It isnt working and will just result in greater critical questioning. I can see Arsenal having a major PR issue building up. .Maybe that might do for him

  68. jjetplane

    Feb 24, 2013, 13:01 #32522

    Remember when Wenger had his own voice. The spin he is spewing now is so blatant as he starts using pedestrian language that includes not two but three 'top top top' player bull. He is just like a politician who cannot get out of a corner and it really is pathetic and very un-Arsenal. As for his new partner Walcott - they both need to go because they are not on our planet nor ever have been.

  69. Richard Dickerson

    Feb 24, 2013, 12:43 #32521

    I overlooked the most significant fact in our so called 'poor' defensive record. We've only conceded 11 goals in 13 AWAY games, the best in the PL. Man City, Swansea & Chelsea are next best away from home. No coincidence all these teams are coached by foreign coaches. Ball retention seems to get better results than playing pub team defenders like Huth & Shawcross.

  70. Jamie Hunter

    Feb 24, 2013, 12:31 #32520

    Isn't it an insult when Wenger starts all this crap about us buying superstar players? He really is a grotty, detestable man. I've got no time for his games, and shoot me down, but I hope Spurs do a number on him next week. Its worth it if it accelerates his departure. Nice idea about the season tickets but isn't the deadline in early June? I'll be very interested to hear how sales go this year, or at least as much of the truth as we can gather. Wenger out.

  71. dannyb

    Feb 24, 2013, 11:58 #32519

    Whats the point in selling our best players and then releasing 70m to replace them . Would it not have been easier to build around them with 50m and keep the stadium full and the fans happier and maybe put a challenge in for all of the trophies instead of having only 4th to go for after february every season. And just to finish off what is adebayor on about when he said that if the spuds finish above us that he was right to leave us , now I thought he was sold to city but then I dont suppose he would know after having been to so many clubs and not doing any good for them .cole , nasri , bentley may have said similar things but I suppose rvp will be the next one to jump on that band wagon

  72. GoonerRon

    Feb 24, 2013, 11:46 #32518

    @ TC - I know this argument has been done to death but are you seriously saying Theo hasn't improved one iota since he joined? You can't possibly believe that, can you?

  73. Carlos

    Feb 24, 2013, 11:42 #32517

    Gooner Ron. You assume that because a player is out on loan that Arsenal are not paying his wages. You can bet your life the club will never reveal how much of Park's, Denilson's, Bendtner's, Djuorou's and Chamakh's wages they are paying. I would guess it is a rather large amount. The fact is though, it doesn't matter who we sign, their form will go down the pan pretty quickly. Personally, I wouldn't let this manger anywhere ner our supposed war chest.

  74. Green Hut

    Feb 24, 2013, 11:37 #32516

    Wenger is the King of the ambiguous and the half-truth. During a press conference a couple of years ago whilst he was again being questioned on his transfer policy he came out with the line 'Don't you know we have to make a £20m profit every year?'. The assembled hacks were amazed and AKBs everywhere jumped on this as proof that he was being financially restrained by the board. Some journos were a bit more sceptical though and at the next press conference one asked him a straight question as to whether he really has to make a £20m transfer profit every season. He then conceded he was merely talking about the club in general re the mortgage and not his transfer dealings. Danny Fiszman as long ago as 2008 said Wenger could spend £30m on a player if he wanted (he didn't and we finished fourth), Peter Hill-Wood in 2009 said Wenger knows he has 'quite a lot of money' to spend but says he doesn't spend it because he can't find anyone who would improve the squad (this at a time when Almunia was our keeper), Gazidis says repeatedly that there is money to spend in EVERY transfer window and Kroenke said at the AGM that he has never told Wenger there is no money to spend at any board meeting. And Wenger is often sitting beside Gazidis and Kroenke when they talk about money available for transfers. His line yesterday about us only recently having money purely relates to the new sponsorship deal where obviously now we will have more than we did a while ago but to take it to mean he had no money to spend before would be as ridiculous as it is untrue. I hope that same sceptical journalist asks Wenger a similar direct question about his comment soon, preferably with Gazidis sitting next him.

  75. matt1202

    Feb 24, 2013, 11:33 #32515

    oh dear. Another appalling piece of 'journalism' that does a disservice to this renowned publication. Why such bitter criticism of Diaby at the end? I doubt he's thrilled to have wasted so much of his career thus far to injury. So aparently Wenger didnt like Bould getting credit so made the team's defence (and as a result his job) less secure on purpose. Just like apparently your sources tell you Bould and Wenger had a massive bust up last week. Same sources who convinced you we had signed both Cahill and Jagielka in the summer of 2011? The worst part of all comes with Wenger's incredible early achievements being routinely dismissed as being down to inheriting George Grahams back 4 and 'luckily' signing Sol Campbell. Lehmann, Lauren, Toure, Campbell, Cole and Gilberto. The defensive bedrock of an unbeaten Premier League season. Who signed/developed those players? Wenger has made some big mistakes and deserves criticism. But the level he gets in these editorials is grossly over the top for a man who will be remembered alongside Chapman as Arsenal's greatest manager, no matter how his reign ends. Desperate need for change at the Gooner.

  76. g clarke

    Feb 24, 2013, 11:11 #32514

    Usual dont like manager don't like owner don't like team Have a look down road that might suit better

  77. Gare Kekeke

    Feb 24, 2013, 11:06 #32513

    Strong words Kevin. It was a struggle against Villa but a win is a win and I’ll gladly accept it after the rotten FA Cup & European Cup games. With the exception of Wilshire I can’t say I have too much of an affinity for this current team myself but on a matchday I will support them. I like Szczesny and believe he has tremendous ability and I still think he should remain our first choice ‘keeper for many years to come (Petr Cech was Chelsea’s first choice at 22, Szczesny has been our No.1 for two years now since he was 20) but his errors are worryingly on the increase with another one against Villa and his attitude stinks. One, he’s too arrogant and two; his recent admission that he’s not bothered about his lack of clean sheets should worry every Arsenal fan. As we have discovered recently, we are not going to win games by massive margins every week so his discipline in his role has to improve. Find me a goalkeeper who doesn’t mind conceding goals at all especially as long as our football is great (and we don’t exactly play well these days either). Like I said earlier, I think he has tremendous ability. Again our defending was shambolic against a poor Villa team. Unless FFP from UEFA & the Premier League comes in with an instruction manual on how teams defend (and I think it’s fair to say it won’t), then I feel that any Arsenal team from now on under Wenger will always come up short and will struggle to compete for honours due to Wenger’s refusal to change. A real shame on his part. I have to say though that I do like Monreal by each passing week. I still think we’ll finish top four (not that it will prove anything) but I also fear (and predict) that Man Utd will win the title on our pitch in April such as their massive lead at the top of the league. Unlike us, Man Utd doesn’t choke annually because of Ferguson. And to think, one regular poster claimed last summer that Man Utd will be our rivals for fourth place. You couldn’t make it up. See y’all to Tottenham next week (I really hate that cesspit of a stadium). Find me an Arsenal fan who wants us to lose to them. Up The Arsenal!

  78. Paul, Glasgow

    Feb 24, 2013, 11:05 #32512

    The point you make about Wenger not being able to take the credit if things turn around with a new signing is an excellent one. If he did buy two or three world class players and things improved he knows fans and media will say "i told you so".

  79. James

    Feb 24, 2013, 11:01 #32511

    @RichardDickerson So Utd have let in more goals than us.Who cares? I bet Fergie doesnt sleep at night worrying about it.The only stat that counts is points won.And they are 21 points ahead of us.They will win the title while we are scrambling for 4th.Only Barcelona can get away without defending.Its amazing that some fans are still making excuses for Wenger

  80. Miles gooner

    Feb 24, 2013, 10:45 #32510

    Once again you are using a match report to mention very little about the game, and to spout off on your own agenda. I believe you've already had you knuckles rapped for doing this! If you want to make a point (which you have every right to) do it under your own by-line rather than under a match report.

  81. Richard Dickerson

    Feb 24, 2013, 10:11 #32509

    The common consensus in the game seems to be this is the worst Arsenal defensive unit ever witnessed. Individual errors have cost us some silly goals this season. Remarkably we have let in less goals than Man U in the PL this season, 30 v 31. Only Chelsea & Man City have conceded fewer than Arsenal. This stat is even more remarkable considering injuries & suspensions have forced us to field 14 different combinations of GK & back four in PL. The most we've be able to retain the same defense is six games. In two games we've had defenders sent off. Maybe these stats prove it's better to retain the ball for long periods than park the bus with eight defenders? Our game is based on scoring goals and the philosophy of AW is to outscore the other team. We have a 4th best goal difference of +22, Spurs is +14. Those extra 8 goals maybe significant in the battle for fourth spot.Thoughts please??

  82. don froth

    Feb 24, 2013, 10:02 #32508

    The lack of organisation on the pitch is what i find most difficult to accept. We'll struggle to get anything next week, yet again Jack will be the only one putting himself about and the lack of bottle throughout our team will be for all to see!

  83. Andy B

    Feb 24, 2013, 9:54 #32507

    I don't think it's rocket science to know why there were so many seats empty yesterday. Fans, including long term fans, have simply had enough and feel totally unconnected with the club. I think we can all do live without trophies just as long as we see some effort and progress with the players we have. The club are fortunate they have so many loyal fans that will simply put up with this because they love Arsenal so much which is exactly what real fans should be about. However, with the prices of tickets some of those loyal fans are understandably questioning their support and asking if this is a fair price for the standard of football we are seeing. It's easy to say true fans will pay anything to follow their team ...... Well ask most working class fans that question and there will always be a limit financially ..... But I know from experience you will always go the extra mile if the team are competing but we are not competing. Years gone by if you had 'spares' you could get rid of them easily but nowadays it's even difficult to get the casual fans to show any interest and this surely should be a concern to the club.

  84. Gaz

    Feb 24, 2013, 9:48 #32506

    I can't believe some of our fans still can't see that these recent comments about spending heavily in the summer are nothing more than the usual pathetic attempts to get ST holders (and particularly Club level who have to renew soon) to renew. After all he can go on and on about spending £40m on one player but until he ditches his own 'socialist wage policy' it just ain't gonna happen. And of course then there's that rather important point that spending money alone to solve our problems is one almighty big red herring as its his own coaching and general managing that's causing the biggest problems at our Club. Indeed if I heard these words from Wenger today 'in the summer I'll be bringing in various coaches to work alongside me on issues like defending...' I'd be more than happy if we made NO signings in the summer. Because ultimately this current squad could and would be far better if they were simply coached properly. Of course the sad thing is that most of us realise none of this will ever happen and all we'll see are more soundbites from Wenger and our useless 'board' about 'super super players' arriving. Then after may, June, July and aug have gone we'll all realise-again-that it was all just another load of bollox. As for the dream of new coaches Wenger will never dilute the credit he might receive so it'll simply be more of the same next season and probably the season after that as I genuinely believe our 'board' will offer him a new deal and Wenger will gladly sign it. Sadly the problems at this club are threefold. The Manager and board share most of the blame of course but a lot of our fans are to blame too as its their own general lack of ambition that's allowed Wenger and this 'board' to run this club as a business with trophies simply something that 'other clubs' do. Eight/nine years is a ridiculously long time for a Club the size of ours to remain trophy-less. Its time for a change.

  85. Bard

    Feb 24, 2013, 9:20 #32505

    I am completely with you on this one Kev. His press comments about buying the likes of Falcao were disingenuous to say the least. It was a PR stunt.He has been in full spin mode since Bayern. According to Wenger we are "not far off" competing the European top tier. I don't know which team he has been watching this last 4 months. The struggle to beat a terrible Villa side was a clear indication of where we really are. Quite how deluded he still is I'm not sure but I am certain he wont go before his contract is up. But without any substantive change on and off the field the criticism and booing is going to escalate and as we know he hates being criticised. 2014 is all set up for an unpleasant finale for a once great manager.

  86. mark from aylesbury

    Feb 24, 2013, 9:17 #32504

    Canada, I dont see where in the press people are having a go at the players. I do see the London and for that read national journo's have y see it. Jack will go if the club around him is not competitive or lacking ambition. So we are save with Jack for the next month anyway. This is all starting to play out. At last the board via the media are going to have to start answering questions whether they like it or not. The days of being called stupid people for demanding our views be heard are now over if even temporarily.

  87. Angry & Frustrated

    Feb 24, 2013, 9:11 #32503

    You hit the nail on the head Kevin when you said "A large number of longer term supporters who feel they cannot recognize any facet of what Arsenal use to mean to them". I count myself as one of those, and for most of my Arsenal supporting days, Arsenal were always rock solid defensively, coupled to an over my dead body attitude during games. Today with the exception of Wilshere, who displays all these Arsenal qualities, we have a team full of weak minded surrender monkeys, who bail out the moment things get tough. As for our supposed defensive unit, it's an insult to even call it that, compared to GG's unit and even ones prior to that. The worst part in all of this, is the battle I have in my own mind about Arsenal results, as my natural instinct is to see us win, and qualify for the Champ League. However my head says lose, because that is the only way Wenger will either be dismissed (highly unlikely), or at the very least not receive a contract extension beyond 2014. My 100% conviction that we are going nowhere with Wenger, other than backwards, makes me think the unthinkable about the upcoming North London Derby, where a Spuds win in the long run would probably be more beneficial to the club than an Arsenal win. I hate myself for being forced to think like that, but I do because I can see no change on the horizon, if we yet again achieve that wretched fourth place trophy (what an insult to all us old timers that Wenger mythical trophy is). Bayern have just demonstrated the futility of us even being in this competition. They are simply just one team in a long list who have exposed our frailties, once the knockout stages have been reached! Other than for money, which is never used to actually attempt to win the damn thing, their is no point in us even being in this competition as it actually harms our chance of winning anything else. We are a million miles away from actually lifting this pot or any other, you know the one that comes in silver, and not the one on a spreadsheet!! I have lost count now how many seasons have ended in the space of a few weeks at this time of year, with us putting all our eggs in the Champ League basket only to be eliminated by vastly superior teams. Coupled with an FA Cup exit because of Wenger's ridiculous belief in sacrificing this competition for his holy grail, which anybody who has not even worked half a day in football knows we don't have a cat in hell chance of winning. Especially with one of his don't worry about defending teams, we will outscore them! A remote possibility with RVP, Henry or DB10 in the team, but not with Giroud & Walcott or even worse Gervinho, and is just an utter naive fantasy on Wenger's part. Yesterdays scraped home win against one of the worst Villa sides ever assembled, speaks volumes, with yet another comical goal conceded by us, to add to the collection of farcical goals we gift teams these days! Can't wait for the spin to be ramped up soon, about us having £70 million to spend on top top quality players, as season ticket renewal time is coming up! Wenger is already spinning about us being able to sign someone like Falcao for £40 million, if we want to. In your dreams Wenger, as he wouldn't come for only £12 million that you would be prepared to bid!!!! Besides he wants to win trophies, so why would he or anybody else decent consider joining your don't bother with defending team!?!

  88. GoonerRon

    Feb 24, 2013, 9:08 #32502

    You absolutely state buying superstars goes against our wage policy, yet hasn't Gazidis acknowledged that our wage bill is inefficient so whose to say a shift won't occur? Out if contract players leaving (Arsh, Squi) plus fringe players out on loan that could leave (Djourou, Cham, Park, Denilson) is likely to free up £250k-£350k per week in salary costs - I dont believe it is impossible for that to be reinvested in one or two higher class players on higher class salaries. As for the rest, we got the three points and at this time of the season it doesn't matter one jot how we get them. We've had a reasonable run of results in the league winning 8 of the last 12 (I think). In Spuds and Chelsea could feasibly drop points today and tomorrow, it'll we make it 9 wins out of 13 next week we could be very much in striking distance of third. Not where we want to be by any stretch but certainly paints a less-apocalyptic picture. One final thing, should us supporters be uniting ahead of the trip to SHL? Surely even the most disaffected Gooners can't want that lot to beat us to force change?

  89. James

    Feb 24, 2013, 9:06 #32501

    A poor team beat an even worse team thats all you need to know about yesterday.We scraped home against a team who will go down.We get a corner and Villa score.Take away Wilshire and Cazorla no one comes even near the quality to even challenge for let alone win trophies.I think Walcott's agent should get a knighthood for getting an average player a 100k a week.We have a keeper making mistakes nearly every game but who is under no pressure to keep his place as the back up keepers are so bad.Diaby who when he has played has been poor is now injured again.A joke of a player who would have been bombed out at any othe club but not under a manager like Wenger who keeps telling us he is the new Vieira.Giroud will never ever score 20 league goals a season and thats what a team like Arsenal should be the minimum they require from a striker.As with Gervinho he has been found out away from the piss-poor French league.I agree we will never sign Falcao or any other world class player.They cost big money and require big wages and we would rather keep players like Diaby and Rosicky on 60k a week than pay world class players £200k a week.We may get 4th because the Spuds collapse but it will not change a thing Wenger has to go.

  90. TC

    Feb 24, 2013, 8:43 #32500

    Wait until july 15th - but the cut-ff is normally 1st June isn't it so your ploy may well backfire if you have no real intention of packing up. For me the question is whether Wenger has gone by the time I renew otherwise I will finish and just make do with TV. I do not say this lightly as I am in 50th (35 as a season ticket holder) year of going to watch the Arsenal but I have totally lost confidence in Wenger. I rarely enjoy games these days and I do not expect to win loads of things but I do expect to be competitive, basic errors worked on and lesser players coached to be better players but we see the same errors repeated match after match. Take Theo - can we really say he has improved one iota in 7 years under the Wenger coaching? If I hear one more comment about mental strength I think I'll jump off the upper tier. Its exactly what we DO NOT HAVE YOU IDIOT WENGER. I dread this concept of him spending money based on the last 7 years or so. This business put forward by the likes of Merson and Hollloway about be careful what you wish for is a load of ****e. The players are not that bad generally but Wenger just does not get his set up or tactics correct. He does not react to circumstances that come up in a match and has his favourites who play regardless of form. He wants a quiet time and no aggravation. He talks about being careful with money and that is OK but he has spent money on players and wages that is frankly a sackable offence but no-one ever seems to take responsibility for the utter waste. They should be far stricter and if a player or agent don't like it then good bye - there are not many gravy trains out there these days. His time has come and gone and the more he hangs around the worse will be the good memories. Every dog has his day and Wenger - thanks for doing many things but your time is up.

  91. Treble Double

    Feb 24, 2013, 8:42 #32499

    Its time to unite Gooners, big game next week!

  92. CanadaGooner

    Feb 24, 2013, 8:23 #32497

    Kevin, i totally disagree with your final paragraph; what can we aim to acheive by rubbishing our own players? Also, wilshere is being paid for the job he's doing (and paid much more than the post man!), if we keep building him up as the hero, it will get to his head and he'll be at Man Utd next season. Arsenal will struggle to beat any time (relegation teams or not) right now because we are being barraged on all sides by the press, tv pundits, fanzines and our own fans. I cant blame anyone showing annoyance, but the reality is that the team wont play any better in these circumstances. Wenger has become a highly divisive figure at the club (rightly or wrongly so) and he must surely see that it's time to leave; he isnt bigger than the club. we'll finish 4th as always, but it wont be because we play any better than what we saw yesterday, it'll be because spurs will bottle it again as they always have

  93. Peter Wain

    Feb 24, 2013, 7:49 #32496

    The first teans result was great but the under 18 lost 6-1 to Aston Villa at home and the scum beat the under 21 4-2. Still lots of work to do.

  94. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Feb 24, 2013, 5:31 #32495

    I'm going to focus on the positives. It was fitting that the three players that earned their corn for the full match were those that combined for the winner.