Chickens come home to roost

Online Ed: Opening day home defeat v Villa



Chickens come home to roost

Really?


Arsenal finished yesterday’s match against Villa with a backline of Podolski – Ramsey – Mertesacker – Jenkinson. I have no idea of the likely fitness of Bacary Sagna or Kieran Gibbs for Wednesday’s match in Turkey, but I think it’s safe to assume that Koscielny will partner Mertesacker and hopefully Gibbs and Sagna will both be available.

However, the absence of Mikel Arteta is likely to be a huge handicap. It says something when the team falls apart defensively because of the absence of a player not even deemed good enough for international honours. That is the legacy of a lack of squad depth at a club that has something like £100 million of spare cash to play with. Full marks to Wilshere and Ramsey for effort against Villa, but errors made all over the field by Arsenal were the mark of a team that is going to struggle to get the results required for any kind of hope this season. Villa were dirty and niggly and there was certainly some very poor refereeing yesterday, but the Gunners simply failed to deal with the situation. There were not enough wise heads, and even those that should know better were guilty of some very poor play. Rosicky’s miss in the second half, firing over the bar when the game was still very much in the balance was almost criminal and Mertesacker allowing Delph a free shot to hit the post was worrying.

The decision to bring on Cazorla at half time but leave Podolski on the bench was mystifying, given the Spaniard’s trans-Atlantic flight in the build-up to this fixture. Surely Podolski could have offered more. The consequence was the error that led to Villa’s second penalty, with its knock on effects after Koscielny received a yellow card. On that note, Koscielny was foolish to commit the challenge that resulted in his second yellow moments later – another moment when a wiser head would have aided the team’s cause. It should be remembered that although the refereeing was poor, the situations that led to the two penalties were both a consequence of bad play by Arsenal in the build-up. Not dealing with Agbonlahor’s run led to the first penalty, which was fair enough in my book (and the keeper fortunate to only get a yellow). Villa should have finished the game with ten men as well, but this should not detract from the poverty of Arsenal’s overall display, even when they had a full complement on the field.

What concerns is that the home side, having scored an early goal, failed to really control a game they should have comfortably been able to. The good work that was done in terms of establishing some kind of platform to build on at the tail end of 2012/13 has been thrown out of the window in one fell swoop. The team look brittle again, and I am genuinely uncertain how things might go in Istanbul on Wednesday evening.

Naturally, the major topic now is the passing up of the opportunity to strengthen the squad long before now. Wenger will surely spend money before the end of the window in the supermarket sweep style of two years ago. But he will be forced to pay over the odds for players that he might not have been interested in at the start of the window. Surely better to have just paid over the odds for players the club did want two months ago? The manager needs to wake up and smell the coffee. He is still playing the same game he did two summers ago. Gary Cahill was available for £15 million. Wenger bid £4 million. Bolton as good as told him to go and procreate, and that was that. A few months later Cahill joined Chelsea and since then has picked up three trophies. Apparently, the Frenchman’s negotiation tactics have not changed. Open with an insulting offer.

There is no point in my calling for the manager’s head anymore. Regular readers will be well aware I think the club need to move on from Arsène Wenger and until they do, we will continue with the slow tortuous decline (and attendant managing of expectations) under a man who can no longer cut it in football today. He should have gone at the end of 2007-08 when his vision of beautiful football was exposed as one that would implode at the critical moments. If nothing else, the pair of Cup semi-final exits at the end of 2008-09 (Chelsea in the FA Cup and Manchester United in the Champions League) should have left no-one in any doubt that he had lost his mojo with the all too speedy break-up of the Invincibles. Here we are four years later and still in a rut.

The hope that remains is that Wenger is in the final year of his contract and that the board have enough bollocks to do the right thing and ensure he is not offered the opportunity to put supporters through another four years of underachievement. The club has a great financial platform to move forward now, but in today’s game, they do not have the right man to make the most of it.

The question was asked of me yesterday – would I trust this board to appoint a decent manager? Who knows? Jupp Heynkes isn’t doing much at the moment and could certainly steady the ship for a couple of seasons. What the team needs is decent preparation for matches. It should have been obvious Villa would be physical and test the referee, so mentally the players should have been prepared for this approach rather than looking shocked by it. It seems to me that they lost their focus far too easily and committed far too many mistakes.

Chris Hudson was interviewed by ArsenalFanTV after the game and gave it with both barrels (warning – industrial language). As a member of the Arsenal Supporters Trust he expressed his disappointment with their spokesman Tim Payton, who has been urging patience on his Twitter account during the summer. Tim will have an opportunity to respond when the first Gooner podcast of this season is recorded tomorrow evening, which we hope to have available within 24 hours. However, he himself tweeted in the hours after the match, “The owner, directors, chief executive and manager of Arsenal should all hang their heads in shame. Collectively culpable” and “Time for the guillotine?” No calls for patience anymore.

Certainly, the least the board can do, even if they are not about to resign, is act in the best interests of the club and start the rebuilding process immediately. They won’t do that, but for the sake of Arsenal’s future, the very least they should do is ensure this is the final season of Arsène Wenger. Maybe a Champions League exit and defeats to Fulham and Spurs might convince them it is better to act now rather than wait. Having played a single competitive fixture, many fans have already written off this season.

If you want me to finish on a positive, Manchester United lost their opening game last season. However, they had a decent squad and a manager who could prepare a team to get results. And Robin Van Persie. Didn’t he play for us once? Oh yes, and we failed to buy enough decent players to ensure his goals resulted in silverware. Wouldn’t pay a couple of million more for Xabi Alonso. Sound familiar?

This season’s first issue of The Gooner can be bought outside the stadium before the matches against Fenerbahce and Spurs. Also outside Fulham next Saturday. It can also be mailed to you if you wish to buy it online.

DIGITAL ISSUES
The Gooner is also available in digital form, through The Gooner App on iPhones and iPads, the Exactly App for Android devices and now Kindle Fire owners can also get their fix by searching the Amazon App Store for The Gooner.

You can also subscribe at www.exacteditions.com and read it through your internet browser as well as receiving a code which will enable you to access issues on all the above devices.

All digital subscriptions include access to our digital back issue library which dates back to August 2010.


NEW! Subscribe to our weekly Gooner Fanzine newsletter for all the latest news, views, and videos from the intelligent voice of Arsenal supporters since 1987.

Please note that we will not share your email address with any 3rd parties.


Article Rating

Leave a comment

Sign-in with your Online Gooner forum login to add your comment. If you do not have a login register here.

137
comments

  1. Mehmet

    Aug 22, 2013, 21:34 #38062

    My brother ssgeeutgd I may like this web site. He was once entirely right. This submit actually made my day. You can not consider just how a lot time I had spent for this information! Thank you!

  2. Imtiaz Hasan

    Aug 22, 2013, 8:10 #38007

    What Arsenal need is the cut and thrust that David Dein gave us in the transfer market. Arsen does not have the same buying ability. He does though have the ability to act on and then develop what David Dein found and negotiated on.Arsen has never had and never will have the ability to bollock his players after a bad game. In the days of the invincibles bollocking was delivered by the senior players, today...different stoty

  3. JackL

    Aug 19, 2013, 23:22 #37768

    I said to the person that I was sitting next to on Saturday that for the first 10 minutes it will be all Arsenal and we may score a goal, then the game will hit a lull then Villa will come back and then possibly score, then we'll panic and either draw or lose the game. When it had finished he asked me how I knew that. I said, it's easy, its been like that for virtually every home game for the last 5 years!!! FFS Mr Wenger, can you please tell the team not to 'drop' after 10 minutes but to keep it going.......it's not hard!! I don't feel comfortable until we're 3 up-and that doesn't happen much now.

  4. Ron

    Aug 19, 2013, 22:35 #37765

    Silver G - The press can see it mate. Hes perfect for them though. Hes failing, looking a bit more loonie than normal, his comments are more ludicrous than they've ever been as he sounds like the men in white coats shd be on stand by AND he s foreign, plus he always answers questions and gets the hump with em as he does so. Hes perfect fodder for a story and they wont want him to walk. No way. The irony is that as he now does actually fulfil the Insp Clouseau imagery as Adams deemed all those years ago, hes better press than ever he was. They just regret his wire specs have gone. I'm just surprised they don't ask him to wear them at press conferences now?

  5. Up4Grabs

    Aug 19, 2013, 22:17 #37764

    Spot on editorial, Wenger should have gone years ago... 9yrs and counting between trophies beggars belief. Gave up my 'Emirates' season ticket 3yrs ago... No intention of renewing until this nightmare ends.

  6. SilverGooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 21:57 #37763

    Well said FPGooner! I remember the movie 'Being There' and it certainly does have a Wenger flavour to it. For several years I have thought of his interviews as 'Arsene Talks Bollocks'. How is it the press can't see it? On another matter, I wonder whether there has been any contact from our stay-away owner? In any other business, Wenger would have been summoned into the board room on Monday morning but you can bet your bottom dollar that Our Clueless Leader is under no more pressure than he was before the Villa game. He should be forced to sit down and read all the blogs and fan forums!!

  7. Ron

    Aug 19, 2013, 20:36 #37757

    jjetplane - Always a GG man mate. George knew what Arsenal stood for. Wenger has pretended to buy into it but never has really in my book. Hes paid lip service to it in his early days but one thing we aren't and never shd be is a fancy dan powder puff soft belly type club. Thats the historic preserve of that shower up the even Sisters and West Ham. The main unforgivable main thing for me that hes done in the negative sense is that hes allowed Arsenal to field teams who others can f--k with. Save for the mid 60s, we ve been a Club who you dont mess with on the pitch unless you want it back with interest. Roll on the day when Clubs hate the thought of us visiting them once more.

  8. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 18:39 #37750

    Ron, jjetplane, S G K, good shout about GG he'd put things right alright, certainly in defence, but it's all so far gone now it would take him time, and i doubt very much the JCL's and wengerites who think wenger formed Arsenal would even know who he is.

  9. Rob

    Aug 19, 2013, 18:36 #37749

    Fine Editorial Kev. Like you I want Wenger out and won't return to watch Arsenal live, until he's gone. It's going to be some time I am afraid as it's odds on that they will extend his contract. Expect the announcement around the turn of the year. So it's going to get a whole lot worse and a lot more bloody before there's any improvement.

  10. jjetplane

    Aug 19, 2013, 17:37 #37741

    Ron As you mentioned of Le P... being a 'student of the game' - therein lies the problem with all his academia taking over from sporting sense which has led him back to his real love - f...... economics! I too like lots of other reponders to you thought immediately of George Graham who was a tower of class on the pitch and off it! I was fortunate to experince all of it and Wenger - Ok so he says he brought chicken and brocculi to the table but I bet he could not stand the pace of Dixon when it came to nutrition and with the current state of play all ex-arsenal players and staff are frankly embarrassed by the man. He is an history man who does not comprehend the new smart football that occupies the mid table now. He had better learn quick cause that is where he is taking the club. The big vibe today is he is on his way out with Newcastle the latest team to be amused by his antics. Offers blah di blah ......

  11. FPGooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 17:14 #37738

    There was a movie made many years ago called 'Being there' and starred Peter Sellers. It had a simple and senile man whose simple utterances are taken as genius by everyone and he is soon seen as a sage and a font of all knowledge. After 8 years of seeing the gradual degradation of my club, 3 months of non-activity in the current transfer window when it was absolutely imperative to do so or being spanked on Saturday, I am trying very hard to think of the last thing Wenger said in an interview, which didn't remind me of a very inept Peter Sellers. Wenger's utterances may have been acceptable when we were winning, but now that we are a divided club in deep crisis, they are nauseating but not deserving of the sympathy one would give to a delirious, senile old fool. “Even if you go on the Eiffel Tower and you throw the money away, you play with the players you have.” had me thinking that how on earth are the board continuing to have this lunatic as our manager. “The big players have gone to Monaco.." had me thinking perhaps our clown of a manager doesn't have the benefits of telephones, newspapers, the internet etc, that maybe Arsene the blithering idiot really does think that no other club has bought anyone. (he did mention last week that AFC are in the same boat as Chelsea and Manure, because they have not bought many players either. Wenger, you prize imbecile, take a look at the players on the bench that Manure had; take a look at the strength in depth that Chelsea have. Why do we not have strength in depth, you cretin?). "Today we have more so we can spend more," said Wenger before the defeat to Aston Villa on Saturday. "It is as simple as that." Pray tell me, O wise one, when were you going to start spending exactly? are you waiting for the Euro to collapse, so that we get a bigger bang for our buck? the next Ice age? Parting of the Red sea? Please enlighten me. Where once there was Gallic charm , now there is just gall. 'If you bring me tomorrow players who are better than those we have, I promise you we will look at them' Here's some news for you Arsene, me old mucker, You are supposed to be the manager, yes, that's right, fooled me too, you are supposed to be looking at how the team can be improved. Furthermore, if you cannot see how the team can be improved, you really should be in a more relaxed location playing Bingo and having a mug of milky tea. What's nearly as bad as Wenger the ass not buying players is the certain knowledge that he will go shopping, but it will be shopping at Oxfam. I just read that he has bought a 15 year old. Nice one, Wenger. You are on your way to Le Guillotine and you decided to make an investment for the future. While Wenger has his supermarket trolley out, one can be sure that he will land a Santos here, maybe a Senderos and a Squillacci there. To end off, there is “If you want to describe me as greedy and you live with me, you would see that I am not". I have woken up the last two mornings expecting to hear that Wenger had resigned, met his end in a freak boating accident, fell off the Eiffel Tower after throwing money off it etc, but no, back to life, back to a painful reality, he is still at large at the Emirates, thinking of more absurd sound-bites.

  12. Green Hut

    Aug 19, 2013, 13:31 #37718

    Paul Heaton- Agree about Usmanov, the manager has plenty of money to spend (badly) already. But I would add bring back the red socks, never understood this shandy, weak tottenham white nonsense.

  13. Gary

    Aug 19, 2013, 13:24 #37715

    Bring in the Ajax management team of the De Boer brothers, DB10 and Marc Overmars. Also add PV4 and either mad Jens or Seaman as the GK coach. A new team with new ideas. Something needs to be done.

  14. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 13:15 #37714

    chris dee, has nailed it, spot on the same lack of organisation that we've been witnessing for seasons now,lack of discipline,tactics leadership, chris has mentioned most of them but the list is endless we have them all (so much for last seasons run in and we all know why that came about)nothing whatsoever has changed and it wont until we get what we're lacking the most, a manager whose capable of putting things right and instilling everything on the list.

  15. DANNY JW

    Aug 19, 2013, 12:52 #37713

    Wenger should go as making the same mistake as two seasons ago is gross dereliction of duty! When we drew 0-0 at Newcastle lost Song and Gervinho through suspension and others through injury we put out a shadow squad against Liverpool and Man Utd and we know what happenend there! We are sacrificing the first three games to save a few quid in wages only this time we have Spurs coming up! I don't want to give up my season ticket as I've had one for over thirty years but I think at least 60% think Wenger must go!

  16. Tony Evans

    Aug 19, 2013, 12:43 #37712

    No surprises, and the only downside to the result for me is that the idiot masquerading as the Arsenal team manager will now try and panic buy his way out of trouble just like he did after the 8-2 defeat at OT. I was hoping that this sort of result would not happen until after the transfer window had shut, but we are so bad that was not to be.

  17. Paul Heaton

    Aug 19, 2013, 12:42 #37711

    Moscow Gooner - I'm not sure about Usmanov but otherwise that's a brilliant manifesto. How do I vote for you?!

  18. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 12:37 #37710

    I suppose it was to much to ask, to wake up this morning and switch on the TV to the news that he'd tendered his resignation (it would have been a great cure for a hangover) but no, his ego whats left of it anyway because it must have taking a battering since Saturday and still is, wouldn't allow it.

  19. GoonerGoal!

    Aug 19, 2013, 12:37 #37709

    VIVE LA REVOLUTION! A message for all those long-term pro-Wenger loyalists who now find themselves trapped in what increasingly looks like a Bunker alongside the great Dictator. While he blindly ignores the obvious, and still defies all those who question his increasingly withering managerial ability, consider the Arsenal over the past 8 years, and ask yourself what if anything is wrong with the following statement, “Wenger, he used to be good, but he isn’t anymore…” If you can somehow prove to yourself that the statement isn’t true, then you really should remain defending your glorious leader to the bitter end, because you are a fully ingrained member of the Wenger Youth and it seems you place his welfare over and above that of the club, your fellow supporters, the players, and any team he puts on the pitch to represent Arsenal Football Club. However, if like so many others who shared your views not so long ago the realisation has dawned upon you that the statement holds nothing but truth, then you will be welcomed with open arms if you simply… COME AND JOIN US! COME AND JOIN US! COME AND JOIN US, OVER HERE!

  20. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 12:31 #37708

    In Arsene we Trust: "the squad needs support" FFS what squad! If you do a count up you will see we do not have a first team squad for Wednesday. In case you have not noticed a few of are a bit unhappy that a man on 7 million a year has arrived at the start of the season about 6 players short - rumour has it OGL is rushing back Diaby a few months early, for Wednesday nights thrash or thrashing according to how manic some of us will be feeling on that particular day - please god it is not on television!

  21. John Gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 12:31 #37707

    @In Arsene We Trust, you are the biggest joke on this site. Do you only post comments to antagonise? Perhaps you are a sick parody of a AKB designed to highlight how ridiculous it is to defend Wenger these days? I do support the team and it breaks my heart to see true Arsenal boys like JW and CJ bust a gut and still come up short because the squad is paper-thin and the players aren't coached properly. Unfortunately this club needs to get worse before it can get better and your lord has clearly demonstrated that he is unable to take this club forward in these more prosperous times. Defeat to Fenerbahce and Spurs and we should be able to break the camel's back. The good news for you is that Arsene Wenger FC will live on somewhere, so you can continue to support wherever they play next season.

  22. 5 DECADES

    Aug 19, 2013, 12:28 #37706

    THIS CLUB IS RUN BY ACCOUNTANTS . PRIME EXAMPLE ARMOURY PACKED WITH THE BLIND FAITHFUL BUYING WAY OVER PRICED MATERIAL. CAH REGISTER NUMBER 11 A PICTURE OF THE SKUNK VAN PERSIE . NO TRUE ARSENAL CLUB MAN WOULD LEAVE THAT THERE

  23. BW

    Aug 19, 2013, 12:26 #37705

    Great article, Kevin. A complete boycott of the next home match might be enough for Wenger to call it a day. It's controversial when the focus should always be on the team, but after Saturday we probably have no alternative.

  24. stefano

    Aug 19, 2013, 12:21 #37704

    Im sick and tired of all the moaning, get behind our wonderfull manager and show a bit of mental strength . in WENGER WE TRUST - the man is a legend

  25. Ron

    Aug 19, 2013, 12:10 #37703

    In Arsene we Trust - Most of us are pleased things are unfolding as they are too, but for different reasons to you. On the point of reasons, 'Ted s' reluctant or lacks the wit or abilty to engage in giving us any reasons for his blind worship and obedience to Monsieur Wenger so would you like to oblige and regail us with your intellect and wisdom? Do so though, only if you can distinguish between suppporting the team and not supporting the administration of the Club, which i suspect you might need some help with? Do shout up if you do as there are many who can assist you. If all you can offer though is 'stop whining' and 'support the team' please go back from whence you came, as you, like your oppo 'Ted' (is Ted your Dad?) are boring the pants of everybody with your ill thought through, unsubstantiated diatribes.

  26. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Aug 19, 2013, 11:52 #37702

    You're right, In Arsene We Trust, the players do need support ...of more players coming in so there is an actual full sized squad. Perhaps then they would 'performance well' as you so eloquently put it. Who do you blame for squad being not strengthened but weakened over the summer? Is that the fault of supporters whining and moaning as well? And your 'top 4' comment is very telling about the nature of what - or rather who - you support. I've yet to see a meaningful defence of Wenger's inactivity this summer from any of his apologists (perhaps because there isn't one), just rubbish about those of us pointing this out not being 'real fans'.

  27. Moscow Gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 11:44 #37701

    In Arsene We Rust - astonishing set of comments: first the supporters are having a go at the Manager and the Board - not the team: the players understand that. Secondly, of course with the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill in the Premiership you're likely to finish 3rd or 4th. No genius in that. We'll probably finish 4th with Wenger in charge this year and for the next hundred - even when he's sitting on the bench as an exhumed corpse with Bouldy alongside. More positively I agree with others that the objectives of the BSM need to be unified with those of the broader AMG mass to achieve results. Five clear objectives: remove Wenger, bring Usmanov onto the board, introduce safe standing areas at the Emirates, reduce ticket prices and restore the old club crest.

  28. In Arsene We Trust

    Aug 19, 2013, 11:23 #37700

    Yeah, the Villa match wasn't pretty to watch, but a small part of me glad things are happening the way it is. It's time like these that you find out who are the true Arsenal supporters from the plastic fans and glory hunters. The season is early, the squad needs support not constant whining. I don't blame the team if they don't performance well at home when you got these cry babies yelling at them or at the manager from the stands. Every season people are moaning about how we aren't going to finish in the top 4, but Wenger proves them wrong time and time again. It's Arsene knows best, not you plastic fans/glory hunters.

  29. allybear

    Aug 19, 2013, 11:20 #37699

    Ron and S.K.G really enjoyed your comments which make real sense. The tippy tappy style is gone as Bayern showed when they blasted Barcelona. I have detested the manager for quite a long time and always felt that he was very lucky to inherit the squad from GG. A good idea to take GG in a temporary capacity to sort out the mess created by one of the most visionary managers of our time!

  30. Graham Simons

    Aug 19, 2013, 10:48 #37698

    While I think it’s admirable but somewhat misguided that some of you still defend Wenger, can someone please explain to me why releasing the likes of Djourou and Coquelin without replacing them, meaning players are pushed into playing when patently not capable such as Santi and Wilshere, is not negligence by the manager? If you play a guy who’s just got off a transatlantic flight or one who’s clearly carrying a knock you’re risking the health of that player. This is beyond bad management now – this is negligence as an England fan as well as an Arsenal one this man is now putting our Rio chances at risk. Mark my words both Wilshere and Walcott will endure lengthy periods on the side-lines this season unless this man is put out of his misery.

  31. Ron

    Aug 19, 2013, 10:26 #37696

    S.K G - Very much like GG mate. Theres a thought! lets draft gorgeous George in a caretaker pending a new Coach being found!! At least the Club would get its fight and pride back that Wenger has trodden on, insulted and disregarded as hes lost it on the alter of his weak kneed tippy tappy tedium for the last 9 years.

  32. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 10:04 #37695

    Ron : So right about Villa - great history. The work Lambert is doing reminds me of the way George Graham blended in Adams, Rocastle, Merson & Thomas with old pros like Luckic Richardson, Marwood etc. However, as you say the key to it all was good solid defensive coaching and that we are clearly lacking. Even now I would go for Reina & Alonso and any PL centre back that is fit!

  33. Ron

    Aug 19, 2013, 9:59 #37694

    Alsace - We ve not had a proper keeper since Seaman. Lehmann was OK but was never far from a massive blunder. His abilities are often hyped up by revisonists, largely because of the total dross thats followed him inc the present useless imcumbent. Wenger wdt know a top keeper if he saw one. Clough once said 'a top keeper gives a team 10 - 12 points' each season. He said it as he paid 300,000 quid for Shilton and people said he was mental! Two titles and two Euro Cups later he was the one laughing at them. The say Wenger is a student of the game. I dont think he is as he clearly doesnt learn from such greats as Clough, but then hes too arrogant isnt he and like all arrogant people it becomes their weakness and undoing eventually.

  34. Ron

    Aug 19, 2013, 9:38 #37693

    We are building - AV are a Club in the doldrums, but they do have a great pedigree too so lets not forget it. Something like 7-8 titles and the same FA Cups i think, plus that European Cup and far more League Cups than we mustered matey (4 or 5?) (my Nephews a big fan by the way and loving his moment!)Villa are a far bigger Club than most others in the garbage EPL and i think Lambert is doing a great job showing how to actually and genuinely build a team from young players in a way that Wenger couldnt. I hope he succeeds as its very brave to try it. Wengers dream to do it was laudable enough but his coaching let him down and he lacked the vision to tie in youth with older heads. All im saying is that we re all peed off with a first day loss, but lets not denigrate a team that beat us hands down with power, speed and commitment. Lets not lose our shape and dignity as Wengers happy to do that on his own because there s gonna be more defeats to come v far lesser Clubs than Aston Villa.

  35. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Aug 19, 2013, 8:54 #37692

    Ted, I wholeheartedly agree. Mr Wenger is a football genius and this Arsenal side especially the greatest footballer in the world Rosicky, will sweep all before it once Diaby comes back. Meanwhile in the real world, consider how those midlands mediocrities Aston Villa, who never won anything since 1996 and never will, (oh yeah, sorry, they won the European Cup about 300 years ago) can come to the World's greatest football stadium ever built and humiliate us so easily. I'll quite happily accept a season of midtable football and a quick CL exit if it means a seismic change in N5.

  36. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Aug 19, 2013, 8:42 #37691

    Interesting that the Sunday Times was very blunt on the subject of Arsenal in the Match Report, but also in their pullout summary of each team over the season. Listed among things arsenal are good at was playing the beautiful game against minnows and pretending everything is all right when it isn't. Things arsenal are bad at are having a spine incorporating a decent goalkeeper, midfield and striker which they haven't had since 2006-7. Clearly at least some of the journalists are finally terminally tired of someone's B*llsh*t.

  37. chris dee

    Aug 19, 2013, 8:37 #37690

    The most scary part of that s**t we saw on Saturday was that it had nothing at all to do with the lack of signings. It had everything to do with a lack of defensive organisation,a total lack of any players having even an ounce of leadership or character and proof once again,that our playing style and tactics have not changed or evolved and that other teams have had us sussed us out for a few seasons now.Bradford and Blackburn confirmed that last season. We lack physical presence in the team and we have a downright lack of balls running thru the entire squad. Every man and his dog knows that to challenge for the top honours we need an experienced keeper, a centre back who's sole aim is to defend, and a defensive midfielder and a coherant defensive plan,but hey what do us prols know? Arsene says we have the money but who is out there to buy? That one statement kicks every Arsenal fan in the b******s. The board and Arsene have settled for the club being a second tier club not willing to bust a gut to win trophies. Shameful!

  38. underacheiver

    Aug 19, 2013, 8:24 #37689

    Ted, I´d love to see you spout your rubbish in the face of that guy being interviewed outside the stadium. Someone would have to scrape you up off the floor.

  39. BNG

    Aug 19, 2013, 7:59 #37688

    I reckon if OGL had a ceremonial squat on the centre spot before every home game and curled out a Mr Whippy his followers would call it an act of genius and mock the rest of us for not spotting the cunning plan.............just remember my friends you can't argue with a sick mind

  40. CanadaGooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 7:57 #37687

    People like Ted are just best ignored (an attention-seeking prat, with a sad life. He only wants to generate anger and attention so that his sad, meaningless life gets noticed). I try to hold back from getting too aggravated on here, but to have someone coming on here to abuse anyone and everyone that dared to offer a different opinion and threaten them at the games, when we all say we're here to support the same football club is too annoying to ignore. Going forward, best to just ignore this nonentity and he will cry back to his meaningless life

  41. Ted

    Aug 19, 2013, 7:23 #37686

    Too many cry babies acting like mummies boys because they didn't get what they wanted for their birthday. Grow up and grow a pair, stop your blubbing and get behind the team. Marky mark, stupid name stupid brain typical AMG get with it or get sectioned.

  42. N4

    Aug 19, 2013, 0:47 #37685

    I wonder where are the board and the Manager to ease the tensions they have created to the fans reaction!!! If by tomorrow Monday they still don't then we are properly f**ked as a club!!!

  43. Doublegooner

    Aug 19, 2013, 0:24 #37684

    Arsenal's squad is so small & lacking quality it more resembles a club in administration than a top club supposedly challenging for a top 4 position. Shame on Les Trois Profiteers.

  44. DW Thomas

    Aug 19, 2013, 0:19 #37683

    No worries Ron. I used to listen to my WW2 veteran grandad and French dad debate politics and world affairs all the time. I understood their differences and they both instilled in me a great intolerance of bu..sh.t. This is why it is so painful to listen to the leaders in our club spout on about everything and nothing. If things don't change soon, it could take years to make us a top club again. I read a ton of comments on different blogs and news sights and the Online Gooner probably has the best, most educated, and passionate fans, on both sides of the debate. Kevin is usually spot on with his game analysis, so I tend to read his posts ASAP. My passion for the game of football is continued through my affection for all things Arsenal. I think we all see how great this club can be and by doings things the right way, with class and integrity. I get Wenger's vision and it almost worked 2 or 3 times. But there are no more chances, he has had more than enough time. Buy the players we need, man! The whole world sees we need them. If you won't, then let someone else take the reins and build this club back up and even beyond its glorious past!

  45. GoonerRon

    Aug 18, 2013, 23:57 #37682

    @ RichardS - I think your criticism of Giroud is harsh. To be fair he did score one and created two clear cut chances for Rosicky with brilliant link up play. I think he's a much better player than he gets credit for.

  46. Green Hut

    Aug 18, 2013, 23:54 #37681

    Mark from Aylesbury- Spot on. The BSM statement is just more pointless fence-sitting in an attempt to continue to be all things to all people. They seem to be as resistant to change as Wenger. The excellent AST statement shows surprising balls considering their relationship with the club.

  47. Monty91 The Blind Man of AWIMB

    Aug 18, 2013, 23:34 #37680

    At worst, going somewhere enables 15 years in the champions league,at best it enables you to build a trophy-laden dynasty. The only thing is that I've been saying this for the best part of a decade.

  48. Ron

    Aug 18, 2013, 22:56 #37679

    Somebody earlier has made a good point about Gazidis offering Wenger the rope to hang himself with i.e offering up the funds to spend knowing Wenger would decline etc. Its a fair point. It has to be the case that there are lots of politics going on there and it also has to be the case that not all on that Board are worshipping at Wengers feet. Its the same as in any large enterprise, there are back stabbbers and manipulators and downright scum bags too. Wenger is somewhere in there on the spectrum. Its wrong to think the Board are all at one with him, but as has been said, hes the one who ll be skewered when the ---- hits the fan properly. I happen to think there are those on the Board who are just waiting their time when they can ask him to go and feel they're safe to do so when they do. Its is like the last days of Terry Neill now for those of us who can recall it. Not nice. We ve all a lot to thank Wenger for whatever our wishes are of him now and its sad that the Club and football generally have left him behind. I'm never sure whether his stubbornness is borne solely of his football 'philosophy' or due to the politics in which hes enmeshed ever since that infernal stadium move (ive never took to the place and its not just the lack of success there that makes me feel that way, its the sterility of the place and the sheer numbers of tourists and people who feel nothing for football deep down). Maybe a bit of both, but its time now and deep down i reckon he knows it. His body language over the last 2 years tells many a story.

  49. Big Dave

    Aug 18, 2013, 22:49 #37678

    The time for talk is over the time for protest is now. The Gooner, Black Scarf Movement, A.I.S.A. Etc should just get together and start an action plan of protest. Sponsors like Puma do not like bad publicity. Not against the team but the set up. The manager, the board. If fans just held up a White handkerchief during the game that would be a start. Protest Protest, Protest, or expect the same.

  50. DECLAN BURKE

    Aug 18, 2013, 22:47 #37677

    Is this nightmare ever going to end ? I wonder how many will stand up and defend Wenger NOW ? As for GAZIDIS and the board - I do not know where to start. As for the team, amid all the talk of Hiuain's Suarez, and whoever else, It was patently clear to me that the surgery had to start with a goalkeeper before a ball was kicked this season, and Schezny's performance yesterday had me tearing my hair out. Sagna is gone, Jenkinson, Ramsey, Giroud, Mertesacker, are simply NOT GOOD ENOUGH, Koscielny perhaps but his discipline is in need of serious attention. We are right now at a lower ebb than we were around the time of Terry Neill's departure in November 1983. What the board and Wenger have done to Arsenal fans this summer is absolutely unforgivable. This club needs massive surgery TODAY starting in the boardroom.

  51. Ron

    Aug 18, 2013, 22:15 #37676

    DW Thomas - Very fair criticism of my post 40395. Apologies to you. I retract the line that you refer to as offending. Sorry mate.

  52. Mark from Aylesbury

    Aug 18, 2013, 22:01 #37675

    If the black scarf movement said all cards should be put on the table including the removal of Arsene Wenger there wouldn't just be 4000 members I reckon membership would double. I said last season that Wengers removal and follow on should be raised by he BSM and others said the same. We got this thrown back at us. The letter is twisting and struggling not to say it. Why for god sake! The AST letter is actually more to the point. If the BSM question Wengers continuation then I am joining. I suspect many others would to.

  53. LJB

    Aug 18, 2013, 21:44 #37674

    Ted is obviously one of the "positive" lot or from UA,over here to defend the good Lord Wenger.They are the only ones who use the childish Chelski,Spuds and Manure.I have an idea who it is and he doesn't go to games so ignore the threats of violence.Now that the BSM and AST have made their position clear there is no way back for Wenger.Lose to Fenebache and thats 30 mill down the drain and off the transfer kitty.Lose to Tottenham and he HAS to go;the atmosphere is akin to the last days of Terry Neill and look what happened there.To the Villa fan,who is moaning about the ref? Only Wenger and a few of his loony followers;we know EXACTLY what is wrong with our team thanks,don't need anyone else to point it out thank you.The majority of Arsenal fans are not remotely interested in a "our team/club is better than yours" conversation atm,we have far more important things on our minds.Like how long will we have to put up with the manic dictator before someone,somewhere decides to do something about it.

  54. Marky mark

    Aug 18, 2013, 20:34 #37673

    So angry, no point saying what i think cos i have been saying it for at least 4 years, Wenger ha has lost it. But it makes mo difference, he is still here killing our club. Nuf said. Ted is a twat, Wewnger said judge me ion May 3 years ago - i did, but he is still there. WE ARE A JOKE !

  55. RichardS

    Aug 18, 2013, 20:34 #37672

    Spot on about the absence of Arteta, Kev. At times yesterday, it looked like Villa could just walk through centre midfield. This is the legacy of poor decisions by the manager. It is clear that both Wilshere and Ramsey have potential to be really good players, but need that experience around them to grow and become more confident. What price for Alonso?!!! We still need a top quality, experienced player for our midfield. I went to the game yesterday and it was a strange day. The atmosphere before the game was subdued by comparison with a normal 'first game of a new season'. I walked past the Villa fans, who seemed by contrast, to be upbeat, noisy and confident. I can only assume that our fans were not feeling confident and dismayed by the lack of activity in the summer. We started brightly and seeing Giroud finish with aplomb made me think that maybe Wenger has unearthed another gem. Then, after about 15 mins, I woke up. We really struggled at times and Villa deserved their win. Benteke was brilliant. He held the ball up, brought others into play and caused panic in our defense every time he had the ball. His cushioned headers to his team mates were exceptional. I had to contrast his performance with Giroud, who, apart from a very well taken goal, offered nothing up front for us. He was crowded out, lost possession, looked slow on the turn and his heading was poor. In his defense, he badly needed Podolski alongside him for support. Why Wenger won't play 4-4-2 at home, is beyond me. I don't think Giroud is good enough to play our target man and main striker. I'm probably being unfair after only one game this season, but I watched him closely and he just does not have the necessary qualities to play that role. He is useful as a back up striker.....some one to bring on to pressure a defense in the last 15 mins. But having 'not worked a day in football', what do I know?! I turned to my mate (looking as miserable as me), with a few mins to go in the game and said that maybe this result is not such a bad thing, if it leads to change at the club. Part of me desperately wants Wenger to turn it around and bring back success to us, but I just can't see it at the moment. Maybe some of the fans on here can give me that confidence, but I really need convincing. I've said this before on this site, that I am very sad to see our Manager who brought such great football to our club, struggle so much. I will go to the Fenebache home game (don't fancy going away, to be stabbed), and hopefully Spurs, if I can get a ticket. Why? Because I love Arsenal, through good times and bad. Up the Gooners....forever!

  56. Seven Kings Gooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 20:29 #37671

    Excellent piece as usual Kev : to arrive at the start of a season with only 11 or 12 fit players (of any worth) is at best dilatory, at worse a dereliction of duty. We played a high line with the slowest centre back in the PL against two of the fastest forwards in the PL that clearly was a recipe for a disaster and so it proved. The fans need to speak with one voice and I think it is about time the AST & BSM started speaking up for the fans who have had enough. These two groups should stop ignoring the real "elephant in the room" which is clearly Wenger.

  57. Michael

    Aug 18, 2013, 20:27 #37670

    BSM have written a letter to ivan.its a good read.Daily Mail online if anyone wants a read.Ted You are deluded my friend.this arsenal team will be lucky to make top 10.

  58. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 20:10 #37669

    When a board come under pressure the manager always goes. They probably knew Wenger would drag his feet in the transfer market.That's why Gazidis put him under pressure. They've given Wenger the rope and he's been stupid enough to take it. It's just a matter of when. Gazidis and co. will be only too happy to get a younger, more enthusiastic coach for far less than 7 million a year. Roll on that day.

  59. tfSmudge

    Aug 18, 2013, 19:34 #37668

    F*@k Gazidis, f*@k the syrup and the rest of those out of touch old Etonian money-grabbing shysters... Wenger, 7m a year to sign us a bargain, muppet will be lucky with 6th at this rate... Usmanov in. Reinstate Dein and sort this embarrassing mess out please... Never mind the bollox.

  60. Ted

    Aug 18, 2013, 19:12 #37667

    In my opinion the team looked strong all over the park with Rosicky looking superb. Cut out all this Peter Wain, Ron esq whinging and get behind the team. If I am confronted with any protestors giving it large in my vicinity next home game,'have a care'.

  61. DW Thomas

    Aug 18, 2013, 18:54 #37666

    Ron, I usually like your posts, but watch the anti-French stuff! I am equally upset with Wenger, but not cause he is French. Remember France won in 98 the WC and the Euros in 84 and 2000. Not too long ago they were arguably the best team in the world. Viera, Henry? Are they "like all good Frenchmen facing pressure and a defeat?" I am half French and understand how people can sink to belittling people based on their heritage when disappointed like we have been. But it's still wrong. Wenger's ego as I have been saying for years now is his biggest problem. It's like he thinks because he took,a team 49 games unbeaten he can say and do whatever he likes with the club. He really seems like he has lost all sense of how to win and build a strong team. What are the players like Jack and Santi thinking about the current state? It's a shambles all around and no sight of the light at the end.

  62. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 18:44 #37665

    Mikeymike, spot on but not only the playing staff, the rest of the over the hill has beens yes men, like the coaching staff, medical staff, scouting staff, and the rest that aren't fit for purpose.

  63. kingsley Emonena dominic

    Aug 18, 2013, 18:42 #37664

    I really don't understand this Wenger of a man,how can ur team be losing for the past 8years and u will be happy giving feeble excuses,pls Mr Wenger try plan B cos ur plan A is a total hogwash. You cant expect d fans to suffer with you since u dont have eyes to see that Arsenal is on the fall.

  64. PerryG

    Aug 18, 2013, 18:25 #37663

    Kev u said it after the Bradford game that you 'Wished someone at Arsenal had the balls to sack Wenger'. Keep on wishing because its not going to happen. There is no football men in the hierachy at our club, if there was then Wenger would have been gone a long time ago. Anyone with a modicum of football knowledge can see we have been second rate for a long time now. Wenger is no longer a rival to the top bosses, even Mourinho feels sorry for him now. It really bewildered me to see the ground a sell-out yesterday, the board dont care whats happening on the pitch as long as the £3m a game revenue rolls in. Every filled seat is an endorsement for this gutless, rudderless rubbish we have to endure. I feel the majority of the fans on this site are genuine, caring and passionate Arsenal fans who are like myself, disgusted at the mess we are in. Are you afraid to make your protests heard at the ground for fear of retribution from pro-wenger fans? Do you boycott the games to hit them where it hurts, i.e in the pocket? It seems that dissenting voices at our ground are few and far between so are the 50-60,000 regulars happy with the way our club is going or just a bunch of JCL's with too much money and no idea about football?

  65. James

    Aug 18, 2013, 18:22 #37662

    Wenger is supposed to know the French league backwards.So why didnt he sign Hugo Lloris? Our two keepers are shocking.Szczesny is an arrogant twat who has gone backwards because he has no competition and Flappy should be in a circus.Cant see us getting through against Fenerbache and cant see us even getting a point off Fulham.Bent will get his usual goal v us.Its fitting that in the 10th anniversary of the Invincibles season the modern day Arsenal couldnt go one match unbeaten

  66. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 18:16 #37661

    How anyone can criticize or accuse the Gooner or the Online gooner or indeed any other blog or publication of being anti wenger or anything else after these last four or five seasons is unbelievable, what happened yesterday has being going on for years now, and there's no one to blame for it only himself. What are we supposed to do sit like little school children and say nothing and tell him he's doing a great job (like some are doing) while this excuse for a manager destroys our club? i bet he'd love that. No any criticism he's got, getting, going to get, he's brought it all on himself and it's fully deserved.

  67. billthered

    Aug 18, 2013, 18:05 #37660

    Did you see Wengers interview after the game he was asking who he should sign.Well Arsene I have a few idea's but if our yankeedoodledandy put me in charge on seven and a half million a year I would most certainly know as I would watch every game and see where we could strengthen our squad.Unfortunately for us OGL has become bomb proof and no one can tell him what to do.Lastly if there was a full house there yesterday then about seven thousand must have been hiding under their seats.

  68. Moscow Gooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 17:39 #37659

    He will hang on in his bunker, tearing the club apart, with all the talk about Diaby coming back being as good as a new signing etc. etc. etc. etc. And come the end of the season we'll scrape into 4th place as the Sc**m implode: cue champagne and fireworks all round. Repeat ad infinitum. Only one way to break this cycle - as many other are now saying - give up your season tickets. The support has been far too passive for far too long. The only other way as I see it is direct action within the stadium: pitch invasions, banners, turning backs to the pitch - but difficult to coordinate and pull off given that there are still a hard core of AKB fanatics holding out there.

  69. CanadaGooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 17:35 #37658

    Liverpool had Pepi Reina who was much better than any goalie we've had in the past 5 years and they still got rid of him to by Mignolet, who would have begged to join arsenal (and he saved a penalty in his debut). Van der sar was begging arsenal to buy him when he was at Fulham, so he could keep his family in London, but wenger in his wisdom chose to buy unknown, untested goalies, leaving Fergie to scoop Van der Sar, and we all know how well that turned out. To now say he cant find players to buy, really is the measure of what wenger has become! A parasitic leach who is only useful for lining his and the board's pockets! they have really abused our intelligence at the club!

  70. Block G Gooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 17:34 #37657

    I am assuming I am not the only person that feels like a total mug for renewing their season ticket! If we lose at home to the Spuds, a game I am now dreading, then he should do the honorable thing, for once in his life, and leave our club and take egg head Gazidis and that muppet Kroenke with him!!!!

  71. Monty91 The Blind Man of AWIMB

    Aug 18, 2013, 17:27 #37656

    In 8 years we have achieved more than every club in the country except 3 (and perhaps pool, for their CL victory) to envy. Those 3 (4) aside, every club in the country would swap places with us in a hertbeat. CL place is everything. It is what every club aspires to.Partly because of the sheer financial benefits, but equally because it is the only way to build a foundation to win trophies. Do Spurs or Liverpool aspire to win the league? Of course not. First they aspire to finish in the top 4.Some You seem to believe the club is being run for pure financial profit and will continue to be so for ever more.

  72. Trevor C.

    Aug 18, 2013, 17:25 #37655

    Thank you, Kevin. Brilliant stuff as usual. What’s frustrating, for me, is that Wenger made the same comments during the previous January window: “Show me better players than the ones we have,” “we’re in the market,” etc. But for an injury to Gibbs, there would’ve been no activity and Monreal wouldn't have been brought in. He also cited the fact, according to him, that there’s better value in the summer window, and that the club would use its resources and be active then. Fast forward to the Villa post-match comments. Wenger says that "we,” (“a team who work on that”) work on transfers 24 hours a day and “analyze” every player in the world. Really? Rather than “analyzing” teenagers in France and Colombia with an eye toward a bargain (or better yet, a free), how about spending some money on proven Premier League players (e.g., Fellaini, Ashley Williams) or senior internationals who could step into the team, contribute now and address our clear deficiencies (Higuian, Gustavo, Benteke, Cesar to name a few)? How much analysis would be required for that lot? It’s amazing how quickly their analyses yielded the likes of Gervinho and Santos. There was no dithering on those fronts. I've been a loyal Wenger supporter, but something is not right. It feels like the end is near.

  73. CanadaGooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 17:19 #37654

    ok "REAL Yanto", all good. As for the folks saying 'worse is to come', I think losing to Blackburn and Bradford last season was bad enough to get any manager in any league in the world sacked! But Wenger is no longer the employee we hired in 1996 to manage the club (giving him a chance of a lifetime), he is now a demi-god running the club like it's his personal inheritance!! I have said this so many times over the last 9 years, it's all about what our EXPECTATIONS are. Wenger has successfully lowered the expectation of most Arsenal fans to such a point where 4th place is now a job well done. Unfortunately folks, worse is NOT to come, as we have clubs like Spurs and Liverpool, who will huff and puff again as always, and still roll over at the end of the season, to present Wenger with his loophole yet again (4th place), and this nightmare will continue indefinitely (till he's too old to stand up at the touchline; then he'll be asked to hire the next manager, who will be his mini-me!). We are in this mess indefinitely folks! knuckle down!!

  74. Anthony

    Aug 18, 2013, 17:04 #37653

    I’ve grown tired of the transfer dithering and excuses -- first, Chelsea and City changed the landscape in the market. Now add Monaco and PSG to that group, according to Wenger, but we have resources available to us, too! He’s quick to mention other clubs’ relative inactivity (United and Chelsea), which I frankly don’t care about. If he wants to talk about other clubs, how does he explain that lot up the road making some good additions despite fewer resources than us and not being able to offer Champions League football? We deserved the Villa result. Going into that game and Fenerbahce with a paper thin squad is unforgivable and negligent at best.

  75. Roy

    Aug 18, 2013, 16:54 #37652

    Batten down the hatches boys n girls, cos there's worse to come. Yes the ref was a complete c*** to us yesterday, exactly what Wenger must have been dreading. But do you have any sympathy with OGL ? No, me neither. You reap what you sow, and all that. Long hard winter in store. I'm gutted.

  76. Stevieo

    Aug 18, 2013, 16:48 #37651

    I sense premature euphoria that Wenger is on his way out. Not too sure myself. If this guy can get through an 8-2 mauling followed by a spree of dross panic shopping, and still come through smelling of roses, then yesterday is nothing more than a blip. We can lose the next 3 games, but then go on a mini winning streak at which point, the goldfish brain of the AKB thinks all is well again. Cue the contract extension. As for the bloke spitting feathers in the clip, well the joke’s on him. Thanks for handing your cash over to the club to help perpetuate this mess. The club also look forward to your continued financial support next season too. I’m actually with the AKB’s on this. Those fans signing up to another season of Wenger, knew this shambles would continue, so put up or shut up. Leave it to others to get Wenger out. I applaud those fans that have made sacrifices by quitting their season tickets to help push through Wenger’s exit, but they’re fighting a losing battle while everyone else allows this malaise to be funded.

  77. Gee

    Aug 18, 2013, 16:33 #37650

    The sooner he goes the sooner we can improve

  78. Michael

    Aug 18, 2013, 15:32 #37649

    @monty91We are two games away from a 15th consecutive champions league campaign and are the envy of every club in the country apart from three. - Post No. 40421. Ha ha ha Gazides is that you?.your deluded like the old fool thats bringing this club to its knees.What happens when we dont get through?.Everybody is laughing at us dont you give a **** how poor arsenal have become?

  79. Medieval Paul

    Aug 18, 2013, 15:14 #37648

    Hi Kevin! I have followed your editorial for some time and I've been a Gooner since 1978. I think they have spent far too much time in the Summer selling shirts in Vietnam etc and not concentrated back at home after the hard work put in at the end of last season which gave Arsenal something to work with. For the first time since 1978, I'm not sure if I can be 'Arsed' anymore - I will though because I care about the club. Arsene carried a great and serious reputation but for sometime it's not looking clever and in danger, if not already, being seen as a bit of a joke now. The club should have got big names in with the others we have bought as that would have helped raise their game but it's the chiefs job to do that. No point in building HMS Arsenal if there are numerous holes in the hull...start passing the buckets rather than the ammo as the ship could go down with not much much of a fight. I don't blame RVP at all - should have built around him when he was finally fit! I think Giroud and others will still do a good job but we're in danger of being out-gunned by many other sides now. What ever happened to the the famous defence we had?? No longer a feared side anymore. I still live in hope but for the money the fans have to pay now...it no longer adds up. I still think Arsene is a decent bloke and human being but for the last few years it hasn't really worked - a huge two weeks coming up!!

  80. The Real Yanto

    Aug 18, 2013, 15:12 #37647

    """"CanadaGooner 14:27pm 18th Aug 2013 Yanto, you sir, are a class fool! win first and worry about getting slaughtered about the style of winning! who remembers how Man Utd won their champions league final against Bayern in the dying seconds? All history has, is that they won the trophy. I really struggle to understand how idiotic people who try to defend yesterday's result are. Its one thing to say the season has started and we should all support the team (and most of us will do so), but to try to explain a result like that, especially on the back of what happened last season and the summer failure to address it, is simply CRIMINAL! - Post No. 40420" Someone is using my name to post shyte, so please canada Gooner do not lump me in with the idiot claiming to be 60yrs of age..and threatening to hit them with his stick if they protested against wenger & co. WENGER OUT!

  81. maguiresbridge gooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 14:59 #37646

    Yes Kev, nothing should detract from that display and the fact that we have a bunch of losers playing for our club, undisciplined second raters who are simply not good enough or never will be, who allow themselves to be bullied and intimidated on every occasion (and like yesterday stuffed and humiliated) while trying to play fancy dan football with their tippy tappy going nowhere style by middle of the table second raters and relegation fodder (no disrespect villa) and whose fault is all this? The biggest loser and second rater of them all Arsene Wenger, whose well past his sell by date and not fit for purpose and a joke along with that half wit in the caption and all the other AKB's and apoligists and if he had balls the size of his ego would have resigned after the game. Instead we had yet another cringe worthy post match interview (when ever he wasn't stammering) Niall Quinn summed it up well when he said wenger looks shell shocked but a hell of a lot of us weren't because we weren't surprised in the slightest, but he still came out with all the usual bullshyte and spin positive attitude, resilience, i don't know where it was, and of course his favorite, blame the referee in the guise disturbing things happened in the game, he's right about that, his team were bullied and humiliated and stuffed. The most disturbing thing of all is he hasn't the balls to resign and he's going to be allowed to go on a supermarket sweep with all this money we have, and were lied to that we were going to spend spend and strengthen the team with and become ambitious and real contenders again. I wouldn't trust this man with my sons pocket money let alone millions you can just imagine hoe the team's going to be strengthened now, we're going to see a trolly dash for more second and third raters no doubt from the french lique 2 that we will have to pay way over the odds for on great contracts, and we'll be back to square one even though we've never left it in the first place. We have serious problems at our club or should i say problem, something is very very wrong and it's very sad, something needs to be done immediately i just hope someone has the balls to do it.

  82. CONKERSVILLA

    Aug 18, 2013, 14:57 #37645

    Blimey , don't you lot think your somebody. Stop blaming the ref. Both pens were pens , watch the TV , goalie lucky not to be sent off. Advantage runs for 5 seconds , no more. Much longer in outfield. Your not good enough and need signings all over the pitch. That is not our fault or the ref's , it Wenger's. Get over yourselves.

  83. TinyLovesTheArsenal

    Aug 18, 2013, 14:49 #37644

    This man is not serious! How can the one man who must take a lot of responsibility for our club's demise feel this secure abt his job and not feel any pressure to buy a core players we need so much!!?? I would happily take Rooney or Suarez and pay at least to make a statement. It might boost player confidence, it may soften the unrest in the Emirates.. Heck, we might land a Capital One Cup

  84. BigGoonerDave

    Aug 18, 2013, 14:48 #37643

    Bum,your name says it all......is that what you talk out of?

  85. Monty91 The Blind Man of AWIMB

    Aug 18, 2013, 14:37 #37642

    We are two games away from a 15th consecutive champions league campaign and are the envy of every club in the country apart from three.

  86. CanadaGooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 14:27 #37641

    Yanto, you sir, are a class fool! win first and worry about getting slaughtered about the style of winning! who remembers how Man Utd won their champions league final against Bayern in the dying seconds? All history has, is that they won the trophy. I really struggle to understand how idiotic people who try to defend yesterday's result are. Its one thing to say the season has started and we should all support the team (and most of us will do so), but to try to explain a result like that, especially on the back of what happened last season and the summer failure to address it, is simply CRIMINAL!

  87. Bum

    Aug 18, 2013, 13:58 #37640

    Support the team or eff off

  88. jjetplane

    Aug 18, 2013, 13:56 #37639

    Finally - things are looking good! I am happy today because I am a real gooner who demands like 99 per cent of us on here that the rubbish who 'run' this club must all go. It might take this whole season but let us pray for humilations unknown and watch that old grey head vanish under that duvet. Surely that is not official club product. Talking about the t..t on the inside too. Ted - spud - now there's a paradigm me old muckers. Bring on the real Arsenal - let's show the world who we are!

  89. Red Tav

    Aug 18, 2013, 13:49 #37638

    I think most of us feared THAT debacle could happen and the fallout has only just begun....the lack of transfer activity has been criminal..aside from feeling sorry for myself and other fans, I feel for the players too...it's not their fault their not good enough, its all on Wenger...after last season we thought that finally, finally he would open his eyes and provide the 3 or 4 quality signings that would push us on...signing an injury prone kid from a French league 2 side is tantamount to taking the piss out of us...I'm sure sanogo is a great lad with fantastic ability and will contribute in time but this team needs proven quality not potential...I'm sure jack and santi are impressed...Fulham will be tough, Spuds tougher still and then there's the CL first up....Fenerbahce are better than Villa, no question about that. Heaven help us if we fail there...

  90. Green Hut

    Aug 18, 2013, 13:45 #37637

    Alan Partridge- Do you write Wenger's script for press conferences? His 'referee was stubborn' remark could only have come from your good self. Remarkable.

  91. Ron

    Aug 18, 2013, 13:30 #37636

    Canterbury G - You've just offered the words which any half decent, honest agent of the likes of Suarez or Rooney would counsel them with if they were to contemplate career suicide by joining us. The underlying rot at Arsenal is indeed deeper than being a few players light. For any player going in there now, its potentially a massive banana skin. The Club in truth has one genuinely outstanding player, albeit he with injury woes even then. The rest are largely flotsam, all bought by an outdated Coach and who are all imbued with the culture of highly paid cozy contentment, win lose or draw. The best Coach around now could go in there and they would (in my humble view) need the guarantee of at least 4 years to even start to turn the Clubs lethargy around. It needed a strong pragmatic dignified Coach to go in and address the immediate needs to steady the ship, maybe on a 1 or 2 year contract with a mission to re kindle some urgency there, redevelop the Clubs historic will to fight and to install some players with character and hunger to do the job in place of many of the the present lightweights, thus being under no pressure to do it playing fancy dan, flimsy football. They missed the guy to do it. Hes at Napoli now, signing the players Wenger purported to want!

  92. Southgate Gooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 13:23 #37635

    All those people blaming the ref for the defeat yesterday - remember the first game of the season 10 years ago. 1-0 down to Everton and down to 10 men. What did that team do? Use it as an excuse for another defeat or show their character and come back and win. And I think we all remember what happened for the rest of the season.

  93. Yanto

    Aug 18, 2013, 13:18 #37634

    Usual anti Arsenal dung from the half-goon reprobates. If Arsenal had won in the manner Villa did everybody would be slaughtering us.I may be in my 60's but if any of those AMG's start threatening any of the good folk in my section of the ground, they'll get my stick across the back of their heads - Post No. 40397 And this Ted 12:43pm 18th Aug 2013 Most of the Anti Wenger folk I know don't even attend the games, they are just trouble makers who get off by listening to dung like Talk Sport and following the latest anti Wenger saying. Each week they change their stance and follow like gullible goats the latest utterances from their cult leaders like Adrian Durham and ex Arsenal players who have a gripe with the club. Unfortunately they will not go away and will only be happy when Arsenal turn into some cheese ball of a club like Citeh, Chelski or Manure. - Post No. 40400 Are exactly why wenger has been allowed to pull the wool over Gooners eyes these past 8 seasons….The likes of these posters ARE entitled to their opinions…BUT so are those who think Wenger has to go…so to threaten them is typical of a cult mentality (thou shalt not challenge what is written) the thing is what we have been reading these past 8 seasons or so is anything but the truth… I think Wenger has lost the plot, I take no pleasure in saying that. I feel both Sad & Angry it is like watching a dear friend or relative slowly ‘lose it’, I just wish he had bowed out at the top..like Fergie…. Btw: If I voice my opposition to Wenger & co and anyone tries to assault me with a stick I’ll shove it up their arse.

  94. John Gooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 13:13 #37633

    This club has become an absolute farce! I now want us to lose every game as embarrassingly as possible to force Wenger out. Let's see what nonsense panic buys he comes up with this year!

  95. Canterbury Gooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 13:05 #37632

    The ref was not the reason we were so awful yesterday. Firstly we were so lucky with the goal- Giroud had no one marking him in the six yard box! Then letting the mostly awful Agbonlahor run through the midfield and defence was bad enough. But when Szczesny took him down it could have been a sending off- then players didn't even run in for the penalty! It was 1-1 then and we didn't look like scoring. Regardless of the next penalty and Koscielny wrongly being dismissed, this is ASTON VILLA- we weren't good enough to beat them regardless of the ref. This club is in decline and to be honest the AKBs are partly responsible with this constant excuse making; they defend him no matter what and it's been detrimental because he's never had real pressure on him. They've lapped up us becoming mediocre in this awful league, all the best players leaving, awful coaching and a dire transfer market strategy. This result is about so much more than just this summer, it's everything Wenger has done to weaken this club.

  96. Bard

    Aug 18, 2013, 13:04 #37631

    Something is badly remiss at the moment. After Gazidis came out in June saying we had pots of money to spend he put the ball firmly in Wenger's court but at the same time distanced himself from Wenger. True to the form of the last 8 years Wenger's fluffed it. Now everyone knows we are desperate he'll have to pay over the odds for any new signings. Its a shambles but the unrest in the stadium will force Wenger's hand. He won't get another contract thats for sure.

  97. Mikeymike

    Aug 18, 2013, 13:03 #37630

    Let's hope anonymous get's thrown out at the next match..... Must say, it was impressive the volume behind the "spend some f***ing money chant" - no one could seriously claim to have not heard that! - because that stadium has been the home of apathy, until recently. Now, there really is no hiding place. Wenger out is the only solution. The board will need to appoint someone else, which in turn will lead to an overhaul of the playing staff - that will mean many coming in & many going. Maybe I'd keep 3 of the 1st team - Jack, The Ox & Theo - all the others have blown their chances. But this will take time - not the 2 weeks we have left of the window. So, that solution may have to wait till seasons end. So, that means Wenger cannot be offered a new contract. For me, this is the most important decision of the season - no new deal.

  98. Ron

    Aug 18, 2013, 12:59 #37629

    Ted - Trot off an please answer my queries of you raised on the 'Ian Wright right right'thread. Its not near good enough for you just to declare your contentment with the sterility that shrouds the Club right now (perfectly acceptable of course)but to do so and just slake off the alternative views at your leisure and without offering an explanation why you do it isn't on fella. If you cant offer up your position, just go and keep your head down with others of your like will you. You claim to be in your 60s yet constantly talk like a 12 year old.

  99. dartford gooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 12:57 #37628

    Ted, Mandy, Terry nothing to say this morning? have you woke up and smelt the coffee or are you waiting for a win so you can say in Arsene we trust. We got beat by an average Villa side, the one thing they did have was a striker who pulled our defense all over the place and he cost £7 million, that's £3 million less than Gervinho? Wenger lets the only other fit defender on the books go to Leicester on loan? How much more proof do you need that the man has lost the plot. He needs to go now there is no coming back football has move on. A great shame he was once the best

  100. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Aug 18, 2013, 12:56 #37627

    Ted, what is your opinion of Arsenal going into the first match of the season without a strong enough squad to cope with the fixture? Is that also the fault of people ringing up TalkSport or posting comments on Online Gooner? Come on, Ted, you've made plenty of attacks on the views you dislike, so let's hear your alternative theory, your fully reasoned out argument justifying this summer's inactivity, why criticising the manager or board means you're 'anti-Arsenal' and why all is well at AFC.

  101. jjetplane

    Aug 18, 2013, 12:55 #37626

    I remember dreading any match in case it did not go in our favour. That was a long time ago and as I listened to the radio yesterday I was perversely exhilerated with the outcome. if this it what it takes to get rid of that idiot who we now know knows less about football than an 8 year old, then lets have it. Out of the CL will do for starters. I remember being at wembley for all those CL games when the novelty of making up the numbers was just that.Now the idea of watching some 2 bob investment banker have fun with numbers is no longer an option. Wenger is an utter disgrace!

  102. Torbay

    Aug 18, 2013, 12:54 #37625

    Good review of the game, just seen the press panel on Sky suggesting that Wenger would walk if we lost the qualifiers and struggled in subsequent games. If only that were so. I would also back someone like Heynkes(3 years younger than Ferguson) to come in for a couple of seasons and try to install a competitive mentality and then go for a younger man. However, would you trust this board to do anything remotely sensible! Btw Alsace if it looks like a troll that's because it probably is!

  103. Sarf Lunden

    Aug 18, 2013, 12:53 #37624

    Got my season ticket over twenty years ago. Was going to give it up but went to "ask Ivan" and believed him when he said we had the money, the infrastructure and the team behind the players. I think he went as far as he could to say "not me guv" about the lack of tranfer activity without the papers screaming the following day. He's a clever man and has built a team that is building revenues and, with the exception of Bendtner and Park, has got rid of Wengers deadwood in a single transfer window. He will know how many season ticket holders are walking away and how many seats are empty at each game. I put a Freedom of Information request into the Met to ask what the real attendances are inside the stadium but they refused to give the numbers and pointed me towards the clubs Wikipedia page for last season. Now its like the listening to John Lydon "every felt you've been cheated". Except I don't think Ivan is cheating anyone. Stan won't act until the revenue light starts flashing critical but by then it will all be too late.

  104. 1971 Gooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 12:50 #37623

    I never thought I could ever say this, but for the first time in my life as a Gooner (born and bred in Archway) I want us to keep losing until this manager is removed. Even when we were crap in years gone by, and I've seen the likes of Blockley, Price and Caesar in our red and white, I was desperate for us to win. It's gone beyond anger and apathy. I can quite easily see us losing our next three games against Fenerbahce, Fulham and Sp*rs and then perhaps we will get a change. I thought the summer was bad. Ultimately the fans get their way - Wenger out.

  105. Ron

    Aug 18, 2013, 12:47 #37622

    Alsace - 'Anonymous' = 'Ted'. (see earlier post of his and his puerile utterings on the other threads)

  106. Ted

    Aug 18, 2013, 12:43 #37621

    Most of the Anti Wenger folk I know don't even attend the games, they are just trouble makers who get off by listening to dung like Talk Sport and following the latest anti Wenger saying. Each week they change their stance and follow like gullible goats the latest utterances from their cult leaders like Adrian Durham and ex Arsenal players who have a gripe with the club. Unfortunately they will not go away and will only be happy when Arsenal turn into some cheese ball of a club like Citeh, Chelski or Manure.

  107. Alan Partridge

    Aug 18, 2013, 12:30 #37620

    Still, good news about the chocolate oranges.

  108. Alsace Lorraine De Totteridge

    Aug 18, 2013, 12:20 #37619

    Dear Anonymous, I don't think you are allowed to bring sticks into the ground with intent to cause actual bodily harm. I think that it's a criminal offence. People are going to start expressing their displeasure vocally. We already know what your response will be. Do you not have any sense of shame or responsibility for supporting a man who is bringing the club to its knees? What incidentally do you think that Herbert Chapman, George Allison, Tom Whittaker and for that matter George Graham and Don Howe would do to a creature who arrived at the view that Arsenal should neither have a defensive midfielder IN THE CLUB or a solid defence? I wouldn't want them to have your stick, for Mr Wenger's sake. What is going on isn't alright. Your complacency which you are apperently intending to defend with violence is not acceptable.

  109. Aug 18, 2013, 11:56 #37618

    Usual anti Arsenal dung from the half-goon reprobates. If Arsenal had won in the manner Villa did everybody would be slaughtering us.I may be in my 60's but if any of those AMG's start threatening any of the good folk in my section of the ground, they'll get my stick across the back of their heads

  110. Man United Killer

    Aug 18, 2013, 11:52 #37617

    Said it an umpteen times. A lot of mouth is our only weapon now but we need to do more..There is only one way to make your voices heard...BOYCOTT GAMES PEDIOD! *For Heaven's same STOP renewing your season tickets *

  111. Ron

    Aug 18, 2013, 11:44 #37616

    Not many will admit it but that defeat was a good thing, as will be a CL collapse. They aren't gteed much from Fulham either based on performances there in the last few seasons.It needs bringing to a head and a few defeats will have Wenger cracking like an egg like all good Frenchmen faced with pressure and a defeat! The Club's a shambles and Wenger knows it, as hes the author of the script. Villa dirty?. You sound like Wengers press secretary Kev! Every team thats beaten us in the last 7 years have been dirty or had a bad pitch or had a ref biased in their favour!! Leave it out ffs. Arsenal are a very average outfit, in a piss poor league and its the latter that's kept them afloat for the last few years. Trouble starts when the rubbish league starts to improve which could well be this year.

  112. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Aug 18, 2013, 11:23 #37615

    Everybody loves the beach Boys and their version of Sloop John B. It has a very catchy choruss. P 45 - P Forty Fi-i-ive; Arsene Wenger, needs his P45. It could be that we will effect removal by boycotting games, but 1) Many of us have already paid; 2) The TV contract is worth megabucks and 3) Stan probably doesnt understand what soccer is leave alone watch the games. Wenger hates criticism. Every home game we have to tell him loudly to get lost and we must be progressively louder and franker. Even my " sympoms of AKB" friends at the game yesterday were coming round to the obvious.

  113. N4

    Aug 18, 2013, 11:21 #37614

    The man on the link to You Tube is spot on! Most of us feel the same about how the club is being run!!! Boycott games are the only solution...eventhough it might be just a little too late!

  114. billdodgin

    Aug 18, 2013, 11:13 #37613

    Spot on Kev.To me now the only question is how invulnerable does AW remain in face of the ever-increasing groundswell among the fans.Lesser questions are whether people stop coming and spending, which is probably a reality these cash-obsessed incompetents in key positions at the club would start to take serious notice of. Ted, with respect to you because you are I'm sure a fan who loves AFC like the rest of us, but some bad reffing and over-physical opponents are not really things that should so knock us off course like they do. We are at the mercy of them because Wenger's methods have failed, and the team is deficient. I chuckle to myself sometimes and wonder if I would do the honourable thing and walk if I was on £8 mil, doing a bad job with owner's approval and support. Probably not.

  115. Robbb

    Aug 18, 2013, 11:06 #37611

    Wenger apologizes to the fans for the result.......rather than for his incompetence.... we have geriatric, in incompetent board and a disgusting 'owner' .......we will need to suffer the most this season to get to a better place ...let's stick together

  116. Gare K

    Aug 18, 2013, 11:04 #37610

    Not been here for a while because of too many Wenger apologists who don’t know how to engage in a debate without telling Wenger critics to ‘f**k off and go support Spurs, Chelsea, Man City or Man Utd’. Full credit to Villa for the win. The referee may had had a shocker but to me that’s a cop out and a flimsy excuse for Wenger and his great squad........pardon me....losers. I’ve said for a long time that Wenger will be ‘rewarded’ with a new contract so he can do the ’20 years as Arsenal manager’ thing and I won’t change my mind even though I don’t agree with it one iota. We never built on the great start and yet again some of the defending was questionable. But then I forgot, our defensive record in the league last season means we don’t have issues at the back. Complete nonsense. Szczesny should have been have sent off after the first penalty and the 2nd Villa penalty shouldn’t have been given but then that’s down to our desperate defending which was brought up by one of my matchday neighbours during the game. I’ve never been a Koscielny fan as he’s not immune to rash challenges and red cards. As for the poor summer regarding players coming in after the nonsensical spin from Gazidis, the club have got what they deserved. I can see another trolley dash circa August 2011 regardless of the European Cup play-offs. Wenger is still stuck in his old ways and as long as he calls the shots, then we will continue to come up short in so many ways. A change of manager is badly needed but with this current board (who are brilliant according to the Wenger apologists) it won’t happen in my view. Jupp Heynckes to come in the short term? Why not? He knows how to win and won’t tolerate the current culture at The Arsenal that 4th place is a trophy and there is no (financial) value in winning the domestic cups. If the worst happens against Fenerbache and it goes horribly wrong against Tottenham, then it could be carnage for Wenger and maybe no way back. Chris Hudson, I salute you sir. Up The Arsenal!

  117. Nozzer

    Aug 18, 2013, 11:03 #37609

    We can complain about the ref and yes he was poor but basic errors were made by players yesterday and when we went one nil up we took our foot off the gas and when we were two one down we were like headless chickens. The players are not prepared and tactically naive. What is even worse is the thinness of the squad. We are down to the barebones, this is bad management, this pursuit of Suarez is a joke. We will not get him, our pr dept always has stories linking us with players at renewal time, but yet again we sign no one. Does wenger honestly think he we will get bargains now, when all the selling clubs know we are desperate. It is a sorry state of affairs.

  118. Gary

    Aug 18, 2013, 10:57 #37608

    Can i ask our fans what will you do if Wenger is given another contract? I gave up my ST in 2009 as i could see what was going to happen.The signs were there.If Wenger had lost it in 2009 how was he going to have it in 2013? Hull are changing their name we should change our's and drop the "football club".Because we are no longer a football club.Results on the pitch dont matter anyone its all about the balance sheet.We are Arsenal PLC.The only result Gazidis and Kroenke cared about yesterday was the gate reciepts.The truth is Arsenal care more about the so called "fans" in Indonesia and Vietnam than in London.If Wenger was judged on football matters he would have been sacked after the 8-2

  119. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Aug 18, 2013, 10:55 #37607

    Nurse, Ted has got at the keyboard again. Apart from the indictment of not having a sufficient matchday squad to adequately fulfill the fixture, those that were on the pitch looked badly coached and prepared - getting in each others' way, watching opposition player run past them, shellshocked by tackles going in. For me Wenger's standout comment yesterday was partly blaming the defeat on the 'negative atmosphere' created by the media going on about his lack of signings. You've got to give him this - he's still the master of twisted logic.

  120. Ronster

    Aug 18, 2013, 10:51 #37606

    MOTD proved that both penalties were justifiable.The AKBs need to explain why Villa were allowed free reign to rampage into the penalty area with alarming regularity...

  121. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Aug 18, 2013, 10:35 #37605

    Kevin, mate, you sound tired and weary. Totally understandable. Nero, in the shape of OGL, fiddles whilst Rome burns. FFS, turned over at home after taking the lead, by those perennial no-hopers Aston Villa. It's obvious, another supermarket sweep is on the horizon. What second-raters will we get this time? Do you know the worst thing? Yesterday I saw we were losing 1-2. Did I sit in front of Final Score biting my fingernails and willing an equalizer? No, I went blackberry picking instead. There's some big nice juicy ones right outside our house. THAT is what it has come to; I don't care anymore and the sooner Le Prof is gone the better. I'll settle for four defeats in a row, hopefully starting on Wednesday night, to speed him on his way.

  122. Goongoonergone

    Aug 18, 2013, 10:29 #37604

    What trolley dash are you'll expecting? All the trolleys are gone. Maybe Wenger can bid for a few trolleys from White Hart Lane. Listen mates, what's happening among our fans is the beginning of Arsenal's Arab Spring.

  123. BigGoonerDave

    Aug 18, 2013, 10:21 #37603

    It's difficult knowing where to start with this shambles,comments about Wenger should have gone in 2008 in my opinion is wrong,he should have gone after the Champions league final in 2006 where he showed his total ineptitude and tactical ignorance when we went down to 10 men he replaced the match winning legend that was Robert Pires and left the hapless Hleb,for me that defied logic and he never explained to my knowledge the reasons behind it.Having just watched the game on t.v,it is plain to see we lack quality throughout the whole side,they are a gutless bunch who hide behind Wengers excuses,which despite the ref's poor performance was again perfect for Wenger to deflect the blame away from himself and onto someone else namely the ref.His after match press interview was laughable saying the ref was "too stubborn",you could,nt make it up!!!!!He says he wants quality rather than numbers to be added to the squad,exactly which quality has he added in the past 5 years?If anyone can name me more than 3 I challenge any one to name them.To basically sum up the decline continues and will continue to do so while Wenger is in charge,i,m just glad I gave up my season ticket 4 years ago,i would hate to be taken for a mug as well as suffering watching that crap every other week

  124. Gary

    Aug 18, 2013, 10:20 #37602

    When will the penny drop.We have the fate of Wenger Gazidis and Kroenke in OUR hands.Nothing is going to change while fans turn up for games.We could be a month away from Wenger signing a new 4 years contract.Just stop now and think about that.Wenger here till 2017.Its time for the AST,BSM and the GOONER fazine to get off your arses and moblise and start boycotting games.A half empty stadium being shown around the world will make Kroenke.Its up to us the fans.If you want loser Wenger to carry on for another 4 years just turn up and let things carry on.It boycott or we stay where we are.WENGER OUT NOW

  125. Steve Anderson

    Aug 18, 2013, 10:17 #37601

    Arsenal fans are all mouth and little action. They've let Wenger/Gazidis have an easy ride. Simple - stop going. Give Stan two months of an empty stadium and he'll see there's an issue. Good news is it was amusing to see Payton get it. Bad news is that I've got to endure his whining voice on the podcast. Hope it's not at the expense of the Don.

  126. GoonerRon

    Aug 18, 2013, 10:15 #37600

    The summer of inaction is embarrassing and clearly hasn't set up for the season in the ideal manner. I must admit though, purely in the context of this game I hold the referee far more culpable. The key decision for the second penalty was wrong, both Kos yellow cards shouldn't have been given (funny how not one person has villified Weimann for his dive), Vlaar should have gone and no one has mentioned Lowtons blatant body check on Wilshere and then booting the ball away later which should have been 2 yellows. I'm very frustrated by thi summer, don't get me wrong, but I found myself more seething because of key refereeing injustices yesterday. Huge 3 weeks coming up.

  127. Mark T

    Aug 18, 2013, 10:15 #37599

    Another brilliant article. The difference between this season and the last 5-6 is that most people now recognise that something is seriously wrong. I wasn't surprised at the Villa result - it was a replay of many games over the last few years. Wenger makes the same mistakes, week in and week out, year in and year out. He won't see what is in front of his eyes. We are now in the position of struggling to field a team on Wednesday..... But for me, the worst aspect of the Wenger power surge is the way the core fans have been disrespected. For Wenger, we are an irritant. If he stays, expect things to get worse.

  128. Yanto

    Aug 18, 2013, 9:55 #37598

    Yet again we have to endure the now Traditional Last Day of The Transfer Window Trolley Dash...with other clubs knowing we are "Desperate" and that we have "£70- £100Million" to spend. Wenger is beyond incompetent, as are Gazidis/The board and The Syrup Fig. If yesterdays defeat will be the small stone that starts the avalanche that leads to Wenger leaving...then may it be so.

  129. Gooner89

    Aug 18, 2013, 9:48 #37597

    Ssshhh. Can you hear the AW defenders? I know AKB upsets them so lets just call them defenders. Another farce with Wenger saying I can't sign 6 players at 2.55. So true but what about the previous 3 months you clown?Leave our club now. Next question from the defenders? Who do you replace him with? Jupp Heynkes just won the treble in Germany. Think he'd jump at the chance. Would the defenders also like to tell us how Wenger can stI'll say we showed commitment etc? What a shambles. Wenger OUT

  130. TinyLovesArsenal

    Aug 18, 2013, 9:46 #37596

    I saw quite some empty seats in the stadium. I have to say that was quite refreshing. Maybe they will start listening to us. The angry chant bring a bad energy to the players on the pitch.

  131. CanadaGooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 9:45 #37595

    With every football fan looking forward to a new season kicking off, I was dreading it, as I knew fully well what to expect. Wenger has become a disgrace (and that is the truth). Home game against Villa should be the best possible start to the season we could hope for, but instead, it is a quick peek into what this season will be like. less than 10 years ago, we were going the entire season unbeaten, now we are praying for our first win! As per my last note: ONLY A MAD MAD WILL CONTINUE TO DO THE SAME THING AND EXPECT A DIFFERENT RESULT. In Wenger we have our very own stark-raving LUNATIC. I wont waste too much breath on this matter, not a surprising result, and more of that to come: Bradford, Blackburn etc....

  132. Ted

    Aug 18, 2013, 9:39 #37594

    Arsenal were completely ripped of today. The referee certainly had it in for them. Firstly he played on after the first penalty incident,then when Villa missed the goal he blew for the penalty, that is blatant cheating. Next he gives Villa another penalty when it is clear Kos got the ball. He then sends Kos off for a non existing foul, and then doesn't send of the Villa player for the same foul. The WOB's and anti Arsenal boys will be happy, though it looks like our team has another season of being kicked all over the place and fleeced by bent refs. Note how Rosicky stayed on his feet after being clipped in the box. The Villa cheats could learn something from him.

  133. Clive the Gooner

    Aug 18, 2013, 9:38 #37593

    Spot on again Kev. Wenger out.

  134. Shu

    Aug 18, 2013, 9:25 #37592

    He should have gone after letting Fabregas and RVP go . Why did we not offer the going rate for Higuain ffs

  135. Angry & Frustrated

    Aug 18, 2013, 9:20 #37590

    For me the worst case scenario is that Wenger does indeed have a panic trolley dash, as how much more dross on overpaid contracts will we get this time around? Any rational person can see Wenger is finished, and has been for quite a while, so why the hell can't the CEO? Oh I forgot Wenger chose his own CEO and vetoed the appointment of one who would actually have asked searching questions! This is now beyond a farce, and Wenger reminds me of Hitler in his bunker at the end of the war, still believing they would win. He is yesterdays man, and has been so for a number of years now, and if he truly cared about the club and it's supporters he would do the honourable thing and resign. He won't, as he is only interested in his own ego, and truly believes, as do his disciples, like the one in the photo on this article, that he is Arsenal! Losing the Champ League qualifier might seal his fate, but knowing Wenger's luck the next day Fernerbache will have their ban upheld and we will qualify by default. As it stands, with our paper thin squad and paper thin tactics, I can't see us registering any points in the next two league games, because even if reinforcements arrive, it's all to little to late, to have any impact in the short term. What an utter preventable shambles Wenger has brought onto himself, and he deserves all the hostile crowds reaction and undoubted bad press in the next few days.

  136. mark from aylesbury

    Aug 18, 2013, 9:06 #37589

    I hear Wenger is apologising. Far to late in my book. Surely it is complete incompetance to fail to land any significant signings. I also believe as well as the insulting offers Wenger also now has a past its best label. Who actually wants to come to us? I suspect at least some of the board have reached the limit and good to see AST that bastion of middle England getting angry. He has to go and i'll still say even if he does do a 4th place rescue act.

  137. Peter Wain

    Aug 18, 2013, 8:49 #37588

    Wenger's press conference was acomplete joke. Who is saying we should buy players at five to three. Wengr has had since the middle of May to assess the teams performances and analyise where the squad needs strengthening. by the middle of June he should know where he wants to improve the squad and have indentified the players he wants. As for top top top quality I find this hard to take from a man who spent £6 million on the worst fullback to grace the premier league and Gervinho who in his position was a as bad as Santos was in him. Too many basic errors have been made and we need a chnage now both of the owner board the snake oil slaes man and the manager. This has to be the worst run premier league club and if nothing is done next year we will be the worst run championship club