In Praise of Arsène Wenger

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In Praise of Arsène Wenger

Shevchenko – Money does not always buy success


(Ed’s note – This article was submitted on the Saturday before transfer deadline day, but we are running it now, with things a little quiet due to the international break)

I've read the positive article by Richard Lancaster, and the negative one by Somak Goswami, and both have their points and counterpoints, some valid, some not. This transfer saga had two teams that didn't spend money throughout the majority of the transfer window, one being our beloved Arsenal, the other being Manchester United. Who gets more stick in the papers? That's right, it's Arsenal.

Did anyone ridicule Manchester United when Thiago Alcantara snubbed them for Bayern Munich? No. Anyone ridicule Man U. for Skippy's inability to get Fellaini and Baines? No. Moyes’ (I call him Skippy 'the ginger') dismal pre-season record while on tour should have been enough to get the papers saying that they should be spending money for new signings. However, while Arsenal had a perfect record in the Asia tour, everyone gets on their case, especially the papers, saying that Arsenal need to spend, spend, spend. I agree that we should spend on some experienced players, but not to appease certain fans.

I remember when the papers tried to rile the Chelsea fans into thinking that Shevchenko would be a great addition to the squad, and we all know what a flop he became. Manchester City were being touted as the next champions, because they bought a lot of quality players. Then they had that friendly in Helsinki against our beloved Arsenal who spent nothing, and City lost to us 3-1. Their match at Cardiff is a good indication of how buying marquee players doesn't guarantee instant success. I know, the match in Helsinki was a friendly, but pride was on the line, and I don't look at it as a friendly; it was an exhibition match. My definition of a friendly is when you have the A squad taking on the B squad at Shenley Training Center near London Colney, or any closed match at the training centre, like United did with Real Betis at their training centre.

Pierre is right - I didn't hear much singing by the Arsenal faithful at the Emirates, even in the Champions League qualifier with Fenerbahçe. All I saw on twitter prior to the Champions League tie was how we had a bad draw, and were going to have a tough time and get eliminated against Fenerbahçe in Istanbul, and that didn't happen. Yes, it was noisy in Istanbul, but it got dead quiet after Arsenal pulled ahead 2-0 in Turkey. When the game returned to the Emirates, it was hardly noisy throughout the game until the second goal by Ramsey. Is it becoming the case that our fellow fans will only sing when the team is winning? Do we need to be ridiculed by the fans of the opposing team and told the Emirates Stadium is really the Ashburton Grove Library because of how quiet the fans are during the game? I've seen more lively Arsenal fans in the pubs than in the stadium, and this is an observation.

When the Champions League draw took place, both the haters, and the Nega-fans (Negative Arsenal fans) wrote about how we were going to get creamed in that group, but when I look at what the Germans, and the Italians wrote, they were tweeting the same thing about THEIR OWN team. Dortmund fans wanted their team to be grouped with Porto or Benfica, they were dreading being grouped with Arsenal. They're jealous that we beat Bayern at the Allianz, and they didn't. Napoli fans, who remember Napoli's poor showing at the Emirates Cup, wanted to be grouped with Benfica. Dortmund and Napoli feel that they got the short end, and a tough draw as well. Our fellow fans are heaping scorn on Arsène Wenger, while Klopp and Benitez are praising him.

I agree on needing to spend, spend, spend. We have had some dark times trying to maintain consistency in the standings year after year while successfully paying off the club's stadium and Highbury redevelopment debts, but how many clubs do you know who have spent a net total of £8m over eight years and still made it to the Champions League group stage every time? Chelsea have spent almost a billion pounds in new players, and that's just the transfer fees. I haven't even added the severance packages for all the managers they fired. Chelsea needed to spend a billion to maintain being in the Champions League.

When you look at what clubs pay in transfers to try to get into the Champions League year after year vs what Arsenal does, which is what Dortmund is emulating, you have to admire that we're not nose-diving into debt trying to get on the big stage in European football. I've observed Arsenal during the years they had to do a play-off to get into the Champions League, and I’ve noticed that in those years AFC enter the transfer market late. Players do want to be in the Champions League. It's what they want, and they won't play for a club with Champions League aspirations - they want to be in a club that's IN the Champions League now, and I have to agree with Richard - we are being brainwashed by the tabloids, and by the agents who talk to the Tabloids. Let me run down the list, on players who were supposedly involved with Arsenal.

Gonzalo Higuain - F. Perez said they never got a bid from Arsenal, and Gonzo's agent, who happens to be his father, was telling the Argentine press repeatedly that Arsenal were interested in him and that personal terms were agreed; there was even a report that a fee was agreed between Arsenal and Real Madrid for £23m but Real changed their mind and raised it to £32m, and he was later sold to Napoli.

Bernard - no one had heard of Bernard or his "link" to Arsenal until the finals of the Copa Libertadores. Arsenal did send a scout to investigate this player because of the news stories saying he was linked to Arsenal, but Arsenal never did put a bid for him. Arsène said in Japan that he had never even heard of Bernard.

Luiz Gustavo - this one is a head-scratcher. He was for sale as surplus to Bayern Munich, Wolfsburg put in a £15m bid for him, Arsenal put in a £18m bid, and offered him a starter position and a higher salary, Luiz goes to Switzerland for his Brazil friendly, speaks with Felipe Scolari (former Chelsea Manager), and chooses to go to Wolfsburg, saying that he wants to stay in Germany. If that is the case, then we can't force people to uproot and come to London for more money. If they're dead set on staying in Germany, let them stay where they want to stay.

Luis Suarez - Arsène Wenger did mention he admired his skills, but I believe the blame should be squarely on Pere Guardiola, Luis Suarez's agent, who told Arsenal about the clause but wasn't sure if it was a release clause, Arsenal did make a bid on the quiet for £40,000,001, Liverpool got scared and went public trying to ridicule Arsenal, first tweeting about what the Arsenal Board was smoking, then raising the price to £50m - saying he was equal to his Uruguay teammate Edson Cavani's transfer price. Then they wanted to raise it to £85m saying he was equal to Gareth Bale. Luis goes on the newspapers saying that Liverpool promised to sell him to a Champions League club if Liverpool didn't qualify, his friend Cavani backs him up, now he's pretty much pretending to be happy families with Liverpool to the English press, while he said no comment to the French press when asked if he was staying at Liverpool after Sept. 2nd.

Wayne Rooney - Arsène Wenger didn't make a bid for Rooney. He stated they have money to pay wages equal to what Rooney was getting at United, he expressed interest in Rooney, but wasn't going to make an enquiry unless United were willing to sell Rooney to them.

The Real Madrid Fire Sale - Arsenal have been linked with those four or five players. For all I know, if Arsenal made any bids with the big clubs, it might have happened in Monaco before and after the Group Stage Draw. There were lots of execs and managers there. If we come away with two Madrid players, that will be great.

Juan Mata - I was at the Fenerbahçe game at the Emirates and I saw the tweet about Juan Mata Senior, who is also Mata's agent, being at the stadium. I did look in the direction of the Directors’ boxes. I saw Lehmann, and I did see someone who did look like Juan Mata, maybe father and son do look alike, so there is some truth to it, but whether Mata is moving, well, Mata didn't play during the Chelsea-United match, or the UEFA Super Cup. I thought it was very peculiar that Jose Mourinho didn't want to play the Chelsea player of the season for those two big games.

Now let's be clear about Arsène Wenger. He is not going to tell us who he is bidding for, and the reason is very clear. Other clubs are watching him and hanging to his every word. When he was an unknown coach from Japan, he bought the players who helped make Arsenal great. No-one paid attention to him or the Arsenal F.C. and our club won trophies as a result. Now that he's a famous gaffer, managers like PSG's Laurent Blanc use a strange transfer strategy, which is to outbid Arsène on any player he might be interested in.

I'm not an apologist or saying trust in him completely, but give him some trust. He's won the club 11 of the 39 major trophies Arsenal has won in our 125-year history. George Graham did win you some trophies, but his league form was erratic at times; some years we were tops, other years we were mid-table. The other coaches before him, including Bertie Mee, weren't consistent in the league table or in keeping Arsenal at the top with the exception of Herbert Chapman. I feel that if pneumonia hadn’t taken his life in 1934, he would've led that team to four more cups and trophies, and kept the club as consistent as Wenger. ,Yes we are frustrated by the lack of information about who are we after and for how much, and we're putting our trust in supermarket tabloids and their back pages on information that was given to them by agents of players who want to move and mention Arsenal as a destination to drive interest from other clubs, and bring disrepute to Arsène Wenger.

I remember Somak telling us to name four or five players from the academy that made it into the senior squad, There's Kieran Gibbs, Emmanuel Frimpong, Wojciech Szczesny, and Jack Wilshere. Other academics ready to break to the first team that I look forward to are Chuba Akpom, Benik Afobe, Serge Gnabry, and Thomas Eisfield. The other common myth mentioned by Somak is that Arsenal have been consistently in fourth place. That's a load of b***ocks. Since the last time they won the Premiership, Arsenal finished 2nd, 4th, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 3rd, 4th, 3rd, and 4th. Looking at the past records, Arsenal had been trading third and fourth place. First, they were trading third and fourth with Liverpool during the first three years; then it was just third during seasons that end in even years, and fourth in odd years. So consider the fourth-place myth as being busted, and please keep your judgement until after the window closes.

In closing, I'd like to say that we should not heap scorn on Arsène on those two signings so far. If you followed the U-21 World Cup in June, Yaya Sanogo was the leading scorer for the cup-winning French team, and Flamini is the kind of player who will play his contract until it expires and never asks to be transferred to another team, because he likes to be called a player and not a commodity to be bought and sold. He wasn't sold by Marseille to Arsenal in the beginning; he left Marseille for Arsenal, and – yes - he left us for Milan, found out things weren't rosy in Italy and came back and wants to prove that he wants to play for the shirt. I say let's give him a chance. As for our team celebrating at the end of last season, it was because we ended the season finishing higher than Tottenham, and making AVB eat crow for saying to the press in February that Arsenal were on a downward spiral. As for the NLD, I’m afraid I can't watch it. I have something more important - it's visitation day, and my kid comes first. I’m sure all Arsenal fans who are fathers can understand my reason.


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  1. BADARSE

    Sep 12, 2013, 13:28 #39149

    Ron, thanks. Brothers in arms. Good Old Arsenal.

  2. Ron

    Sep 12, 2013, 13:06 #39148

    gazzerN - Did anybody say it was? Perhaps you should 'bore off' back to your nearest meadow and crawl back under your natural habitat ie that place where other like minded dung beetles like you repose. Shut the door on your way out dimbo.

  3. gazzerN

    Sep 12, 2013, 12:38 #39147

    yeah its the govs job to prop up massive loss making archaic industries...oh please. bore of to cuba, with your handwringing boring posts

  4. BADARSE

    Sep 12, 2013, 7:48 #39145

    Morning Ron, Miner's strike. On a rally in Hyde Park had the privilege to meet Anne Scargill. She had come to London under her own steam, collected money for miner's families all day, then travelled back north to distribute. No payment, no publicity, no glamour. Many like-minded people I knew couldn't even manage to make a short journey to the west end. That's commitment. Arsene Wenger a politician? Clever enough, but even I may be that. At a family wedding I was 'fluted up' in tails and a distant relative said I looked like a politician, (think it was just a random statement), I was appalled, and rejected his observation. I am sure Arsene would too.

  5. Ron

    Sep 11, 2013, 22:52 #39143

    BADARSE - Thats good stuff. Speaking to many people about the way the written press phrase things or the way a newscaster can use just a facial expression to get their desired message (the one behind the actual words) across, leads many to just say that us who do look for the hidden message are being paranoid or fixated with conspiracy theories etc. It can be annoying as there are none so blind and daft as he or she who wants to be! On a footie front, AW is a top man at putting a sheen on a flawed argument. He would make a top politician or even an editor would Arsene, don't you think, yet he says the media do it! All good stuff matey. I could tell some stories about the way the media portrayed the pit strikes in the 80s and the conflict between Channel 4 (by and large supportive to Scargill) and the then mainstream channels (all Thatcher driven anti s). Maybe one day matey. Interesting stuff.

  6. jjetplane

    Sep 11, 2013, 21:53 #39142

    Let me entertain you!

  7. BADARSE

    Sep 11, 2013, 21:17 #39141

    Ron, I really enjoyed your last comments. Here is just a snippet, unrelated to football, but I hope it illustrates the chicanery of the press. Years ago I was a member of CND and a large demo was happening on the Saturday in Central London. The day before an anti-CND chap at work waved his newspaper at me sneeringly. It was a broadsheet, Telegraph I think, and he insisted I should read an article as it would educate me. I took the paper, and was dismayed to see the piece had been written by Michael Heseltine. Then minister of defence. Undaunted, I read the first line and then handed it back to him, saying it's propagandist. He was confused. I showed him that the opening gambit read, 'I appeal to the normal CND supporter.' He was still lost. I then pointed out that no such creature exists. There is no abnormal, or normal anything, when it comes to principles, beliefs or views. He sort of understood, but I knew many wouldn't spot that sort of thing. It was just a red herring to trick the 'antis' into believing some were sensible opponents, many were not, but all needed tugging into line and guiding, like sheep. Of course the only sheep were those reading and swallowing the drivel. It was a great demo, no violence, never is. Hot sun, music in the park, and at one stage, I found myself strolling along with Suggs, his missus and baby girl in a pushchair. Cruise missiles vanquished!

  8. Ron

    Sep 11, 2013, 21:07 #39140

    Colin - Granted, but it doesn't mean i want to see Liverpool ex managers and lord knows however many ex players the TV drags up purveying their distorted version of punditry every time a game is on. Agree totally on Wenger re europe. Hes tactically lacking in my view when it comes to the CL business end ie v the better sides. LeTS be honest though, tactics aren't uppermost on his agenda in the PL either, much to our cost at times.

  9. Arseneknewbest

    Sep 11, 2013, 20:00 #39139

    It was George III who was the mad one in in the film, but I see that the nuttiness appears to have been inherited by his US-based grandson George V. You are really a troll sitting in Silent Stan's business empire in Denver, and I claim my 5 dollars. Keep drinking the Kool Aid mate. Arsenal have had this positive start to the season despite AW, not because of him. It was evident in the NLD that the players wanted to fight like tigers to win that game and we loved it. I don't deny that he was instrumental in signing Ozil, and I'm grateful for that, but let's not kid ourselves that he's doing a good job these days. Besides, plenty of other managers succeed in signing the right players if they're willing to spend the fans' money. Let's keep trust in the team though and hope that they can get a run going - the past 2 seasons have seen some disastrous autumn spells that must not be repeated.

  10. Colin

    Sep 11, 2013, 19:47 #39138

    Ron- Liverpool are the most successful British club in Europe.5 European cup wins joint third with Bayern as most wins behind Madrid and AC Milan.We cant compete with their European record.Remember their last CL win with a poor team was in 2005 a year after the Invincibles our best team year bottled it in the QF's.When it comes to Europe the AKB's are very quiet.Because in Europe Wenger is a fraud

  11. Soccerlogical

    Sep 11, 2013, 19:33 #39137

    What a brainless and illogical article. So next year when Arsenal have 200M to spend and penny pinching Wenger only buys yet another attacking midfielder like Fabregas as they keep finishing 5-10 points off the title... should we erect a statue and rename the club Arsene FC? STICK TO AMERICAN FOOTBALL!

  12. Ron

    Sep 11, 2013, 18:43 #39136

    Evening BADARSE - Great points. Its a massive debate we cd have on the subtleties of the way the media affect views, even if we limited it to how they portray Arsenal. On a wider scale i believe that media from the lowest rag, through most TV progs and radio and news bulletins (especially the latter)shape the views of what is a passive and poorly educated populace in the UK. We re all fodder for them to a great extent as its hard to look behind words and phraseology isn't it when its cleverly framed. Youre so right re Man Utd. The crash created a wave of sentiment that still reverberates today, yet before Busby they weren't much of a Club. The press are largely northern based now and that perpetuates it, plus the Liverpool phenomena.You shd hear Everton fans talk about that! Yet Everton are the Club of history and prestige in Liverpool, LFC only having a golden spell of 25 years - 1965-90. The way the latter dominate TV we might be fooled for thinking they've won the CL for the last 20 years and another 15 titles!! They, plus the manc love in are the main reason i aborted SKY TV a few years back.

  13. 1971 Gooner

    Sep 11, 2013, 18:20 #39135

    I don't think the media are particularly anti-Arsenal. I recall a match report from (I think) the 2002-03 season where instead of giving a detailed report of each, the reporter delivered his verdict in Goal of the Season candidate style: Goal A - Pires, cuts in from the left, beats the keeper with a low, shot; Goal B - Henry, ghosted through the defence like a zephyr; Goal C - Bergkamp... and so on. Brilliant, and it has to be said a team almost 100% built by AW.

  14. Lord Froth

    Sep 11, 2013, 18:00 #39134

    I think it's a balanced article on the whole but containing some innacuracies. Obviously it's an opinion piece as none of us know the whole story behind some of the transfer guff. Some of the othe comment writers have pointed out that us Arsenal fans only want the club to spend what is available on strengthening the playing side, not to bankrupt the club. I believe that most of us will be happy if the team are playing solid football and a able to compete. Compete being the operative word as we know that winning is not a given right and must be earned. However well Wenger has done in that past is really irrelevant now. His successes bought him about six years or so of patience but that can only stretch so far when we start to witness tactical inflexibility on numerous occassions and many, many spinless capitulations such as Wigan away from 2 up, newcastle from 4 up, being humbled by Man U and Chelsea on an increasingly regular basis, losing to lower league teams with our first 11 on the pitch. That is a lot of embarrassment over a short period of time. Wenger has given us some wonderful times but Arsenal run themselves fairly ruthlessly as a business so in return why should we not be ruthless and expect better. The Ozil signing is still papering over many cracks and I still would like a new manager with new ideas. Some people are scared of change but in the last 8 years teams have changed manager and still managed to prevent Arsenal from winning anything.

  15. BADARSE

    Sep 11, 2013, 17:47 #39133

    Hi Ron. You are right to draw the distinction between Knocking winners who have to win something first, a champion, rather than a contender. However I think we qualify as successful through our heritage, as opposed to the fact we haven't won a pot since the dark ages. Twenty years ago I was discussing this subject with a German friend who, when shown a current article in the Mirror, was astonished by the veiled jibes and nastiness. He missed some, which I readily pointed out. In the circles I move in it is a given that we have a media-led society. It affects the Arsenal too. We have history. A big city slicker, and a southern softie, to boot. Then sniping from the 5th columnists of the other big London clubs. Our success counts against us. We, though just technically, are still an independent club. No oligarch quite pulling our strings. Yet are regarded by many as a foreign club. Still, in a society, led by the media, people like Rooney, Terry, Cole and others of their ilk, are role models and icons. Have always felt Manchester United have extra support, due to the historical effects of the air crash, whilst we have less, due to the hysterical number of 'firsts' we have banked.

  16. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 11, 2013, 17:17 #39132

    TPM, Der Projekt, glad you brought up the YOU comment when GG was being mentioned a very odd one that, but i suppose not really when you consider there are Arsenal FC supporters and Arsene FC supporters.

  17. Ron

    Sep 11, 2013, 16:13 #39131

    BADARSE - I think the bias you speak of is mainly from other Clubs fans to be honest.They resent the well known class of Arsenal as they often have none themselves.There are many media men out there who seem to really crave that Arsenal build on what theyve acheived in the last few years and win something and are as frustrated as we are. Youre right in saying this Country dislikes winners, but not until something is actually won. They can then knock a winner down as they do. There are Clubs who are media favoured as we know. Liv, the mancs (these 2 in particular) and Tottenham and West Ham to a lesser degree. It doesnt fully follow though that we re as disliked as they are liked in my view. The media (the papers in partic) are toe rags in the main though as you say.

  18. BADARSE

    Sep 11, 2013, 15:33 #39130

    Ever since I was aware enough to take note, I have experienced an anti-Arsenal attitude. It comes in all shapes and sizes, in all manner of things, and also by different degrees. Arsenal have been disliked since the beginning. Seen as interlopers, and carpetbaggers. Then the success; the English find success difficult to acknowledge, we are a nation of slaves after all. The records piled up. First for this, most of these, highest of that. You don't want to know that the bloke who stole your girl has just been voted 'most handsome', or anything like it. Arsenal wear a crown, but often it seems like a crown of thorns. Good media? How could you really criticise Bergy, Titi, Patrick and Tone, when they were the Big Guns firing at Highbury? Yet one slip, that's all it takes, for the jackals to pounce. This is what you inherit as an Arsenal fan, make no mistake. A footballing pedigree as long as your arm won't save you from the pack. You are not the mighty Arsenal. The most honourable club in a sea of scum. The most ethical club in a cauldron of poison. You are a whipping boy. The media in this country is amongst the worst on the planet, so no surprises when they focus on a football club, and tear it to pieces whenever they want, 'onest guv, I'm just reporting the news. You can tell a story innumerable ways, they often take a spiteful anti-Arsenal tack. They have the licence to operate this way, and take advantage of the circumstances. Supporting Arsenal makes you stronger, what doesn't kill you often does. I bet many don't even realise the newspapers are politically biased either.

  19. Man United Killer

    Sep 11, 2013, 15:16 #39129

    Wenger is the brainwasher not the media.The media want to sell articles and will capitalize on the status quo-period.United have been consistent champions in the past couple of years we havent won a pin in the past 8 years so it's always easier to pick on us.Wenger has basically dug his own grave there-end of! When Wenger sold song and signed Arteta (recall his trolly dash) he was asked about the negative effects of the absence of a DM in midfield.He said it was unnecessary in the modern game.But now he goes out to try to sign Gustavo,Kangdobia(if it's true) and eventually ends up with Flamini.What changed? Isn't this still the modern game? Wenger has and will continue to spin words to get the easily swayed into thinking the way he wants them to. You seem to lean heavily on past glories and if there is one thing I know about doing that,it's the fact that it breeds complacency and you get left behind.And then to cover your embarassment you want people to believe that the new way of doing things is not right so your 'new performance' is acceptable because you are doing things the 'right way'.That is exactly what has happened. And forget Shevchenko.I dont even want to get into how our transfer kitties and wage budgets have been sucked dry by the second rate players who Wenger has put on ridiculous wages and who end up going on loan for the rest of their Arsenal careers,sold for much cheaper,left on free transfers or never played enough matches to justify their prices or wages in the first place. I LOVE my Arsenal.Who do you love?

  20. Kabeya

    Sep 11, 2013, 14:52 #39128

    That's the kind of article I like not some crap based on tabloids rubbish reports...

  21. maguiresbridge gooner

    Sep 11, 2013, 14:48 #39127

    So your not an apologist, well you've done a good job of talking up, and defending arsene from all those big bad people out there who have it in for him and our club,like the big bad press, nega fans , the haters? now there's a new one, an apologist/AKB term if ever i heard one, i assume it means non Arsenal fans and i also don't know any Arsenal fans who hate arsene wenger i'm not saying their not out there but i've yet to meet one. Nega fans? now there's plenty of them alright with good reason/reasons, i also don't know any of them who hate wenger and i know a lot, hate the things he's done and said and been responsible for over the last eight seasons yes, reasons you've forgot to mention (and there's a hell of a lot of them) but i suppose with a heading like, In Praise Of Arsene Wenger it was to be expected.

  22. Ron

    Sep 11, 2013, 14:00 #39126

    A good effort that is. Well written too. I dont buy the anti Arsenal stuff though. The media used to wax lyrical over the teams of 1998-2004 and its maybe those teams that have created an unrealistic benchmark, when in fact the quality of football of ALL teams since that era has declined markedly. If there is any Anti Wenger stuff, its maybe because hes been so smug for so long and at times downright offish with the media and other Coaches and yet while we ve declined hes become seemingly even more smug!. The 4th spot regularity is an achievment of sorts seeing as we have moved stadium, but its a worn out argument now as each season passes and we look even less likely to progress in it beyond the group stages. The papers are basically idle in looking for things to say and lets face it, theyre only re gurgitating what many of the fans think arent they? Wenger has been hamstrung to a degree down the last 9 years but not totally hamstrung and the media know it, hence they dig at him and press him. Its just what papers do. Arsenal arent a bad side, theyre just not a top side. Id venture to say that if Season tickets were 4 or 5 hundred quid and match tickets 35 quid, not many of us would be complaining. Truth is that Arsenal sold us a pup. A promise of being genuine competitors after a stadium shift and rivalling United. Instead its top whack prices for a largely journeyman team. Theyre struggling to justify it. PS Read BADARSE 'S last comment. Hes got it about right i reckon.

  23. Anonymous

    Sep 11, 2013, 13:58 #39125

    Johnny Garcia, if you include the Community Shields won, 11 are the number of trophies he won as an Arsenal manager.

  24. Der Projekt ist Kaput

    Sep 11, 2013, 13:26 #39124

    Do pre season results actually mean anything? OK, losing 5 -nil to The Dog and Duck will be embarrassing, but does anyone say 'Wow, a 100% record in our merchandising tour of Vietnam! Watch out, world!'? The performances against Fenerbahce were excellent - particularly the first leg. But please bear in mind Fenerbahce were awful - a team who's best player is Dirk Kuyt. We will certainly face much stiffer opposition in the weeks to come and I for one can't see any Arsenal involvement in the competition after February - we concede too many goals (but hey, don't worry about defenders in the transfer window). The stadium IS quiet (but arguably always so - the 'Highbury Library' and all that), but perhaps that's due to the frustration, quiet anger or simply just a resigned acceptance by many who have witnessed over the last few years a team that should be so much better. Away support is brilliant - something for which the Board and Wenger should recognise - and even be shameful for them. I put it to you that while Bayern didn't actually want to lose to Arsenal, the match had been won after our abysmal (and depressingly familiar) performance in the first leg. I think that to say by inference that because we beat Bayern (once), we are as good as them is stretching things too far. We are not and are nowhere near as good as Bayern for 2 very good reasons: They have many, many more world class players than we do, and they have managers and a board brimming with competence, desire and ambition. While I think you are correct in pointing out that some nouveau riche clubs(particularly M City) have wasted money on certain players, there has, to be fair, been little call from even the most anti-Wenger viewer to spend gerzillions of pounds. No, we have said that we should spend the money that has been available. That has been a war chest set aside and available for some time. But Wenger chose not to spend it and we have suffered for it. And by the way - the next time Wenger says we can't compete against the petro dollar clubs, ask yourself this: Then why does he pocket £8m a year then? I notice you wrote: '... Graham did win YOU some trophies...' Who's 'You' exactly? Do you mean Arsenal supporters? Odd choice of word coming from someone purporting to be a Gooner. So we've ONLY finished 4th five times in the last 9 years? Can you not see that that fact is a perfect argument for others to use against us as Arsenal are simply then just a perennial also-ran. Where is the ambition? Where is the sense of being a CONTENDER? The academy has given us Wilshere who is brilliant, but that's been all. The others you mention have broken into the squad in various degrees, but thats as much because of the paucity of real quality in our team. No other top club would have room for Gibbs, Szczesny or Frimpong. Has Sanogo actually touched the ball for us, yet? I hope he comes good, but to be honest I'm not too hopeful judging by the other French Lige players Wenger has brought in. I wish you well with you and your kid.

  25. DANNYJW

    Sep 11, 2013, 13:14 #39123

    One thing that really gets my goat is every arguement saying we won against Bayern Munich! We lost the tie and went out which is why Bayern went on to win the trophy. Also the begining of the 2011 season when lack of discipline and lack of numbers in the squad saw us lose 8-2 at Old Trafford is when I lost faith in the manager. Not in Arsenal but in the manager and his methods.

  26. BADARSE

    Sep 11, 2013, 13:03 #39122

    Thanks for the article George V. Sadly, but perhaps not, it will just bring people from either side of the divide, parading their wares,the for and against arguments. I say perhaps, because perhaps this is the main purpose of these posts, to constantly go over the same ground. I easily pull away from the dialogue, as I have heard it over, and over again. Life is as it is. AFC is as it is. Club policy remains fairly constant. Not much changes.The bickering goes on. The carousel goes around again. See you after the next revolution...of the merry go round, I mean.

  27. TPM

    Sep 11, 2013, 13:03 #39121

    oh dear. WORST ARTICLE EVER well done for the attempt at writing it, shame its all complete delusion. interesting when you describe GG you use the term, 'you' for arsenal. its only we when your referring to AW. thats says it all really. couple of points i cant let go are, though are the media did criticise united, but if you think not as much as us, well amybe as they walked the league last year and we scraped 4th, so their need is somewhat less than ours...not rocket science. as for us going unbeaten in the asian tour as a bellweather for how good we are...jeez louise, surely you are not that, shall we say daft? wow we thrashed some guys who only took up the game last week, we are going to win the league!! finally to claim pre season friendlies in general are not just glorified warm ups is surely a joke?? come on your a wum are you not? well tried, but shame its a load of hogwash, and even the most pro arsenal 'fan' would say as much. shockign article.

  28. Mark T

    Sep 11, 2013, 12:51 #39120

    It doesn't matter whether you're an AKB or a WOB, this is just utter dross. Reads like 100 Twitter posts spliced together. Not the standard expected from this site I'm afraid.

  29. Canterbury Gooner

    Sep 11, 2013, 12:27 #39119

    "while successfully paying off the club's stadium and Highbury redevelopment debts" Property debt was cleared in 2009. Look at the cost of the stadium each year as a fraction of turnover... Higuain was seen at Madrid Airport on his way to London- maybe all the quotes and reports were wrong, maybe not. They hiked the price to £25m not £32m, only when Cavani was sold did they charge a rip off sum to Napoli when they became interested. This is in keeping with the reports. They said Arsenal didn't bid probably because they wanted to charge Napoli more ONCE they were interested because the agreed and even hiked fee was far less than they wanted Napoli to fork out. United won a trophy last year, when did Arsenal last win one? As for spending like Chelsea/City, that isn't the argument. I don't have any original points on this but it's been refuted time and again- the league is weak and Arsenal could spend all the money at their disposal to boost this team and squad.

  30. Tony Evans

    Sep 11, 2013, 12:19 #39118

    Nobody criticised Man U for their lack of transfer window business because they finished as champions with the team they already have and were not humiliated by the likes of Bradford and Blackburn. Arsenal's need to strengthen big time was there for all to see and Wenger failed yet again on this, even with the signing of Ozil.

  31. John Gooner

    Sep 11, 2013, 10:47 #39117

    Hmmm, I can see why this never got published first time around. Why should Manchester United be ridiculed for not spending when they strolled to the title last year? Man City and Chelsea have also won trophies year on year. Please stop excuse mongering!

  32. Pesho Saulov

    Sep 11, 2013, 10:33 #39115

    Could we please stot hearing about what a great achievement securing a top 4 finish is while spending 8M net. Finishing in the top half would also be a fantastic result if we don't spend at all so let's aim for that! If anything, the press is too easy on Wenger: thay have failed to call him on out on obvious blunders such as keeping Almunia or not selling all his DMs in 2008 and then not bringing one in until 2013. ManU aimed for some of the top playmakers in the game (ironically we land one of them) and they lost out to Barcelona and Bayern Munich, not Napoli and Wolfsburg. Yesterday there was a fantastic comment/article which gave some reasonable explanation to our transfer dealings, it was a joy to read a Wenger defence that actually makes sense. This however are the same old appologist clichés. Because Chelsea failed with Shevcheno, let's never try to bring a player who has won the Ballon d'Or, is that the moral of the story?

  33. northbank123

    Sep 11, 2013, 10:04 #39114

    The papers and online media constantly ran stories about United's failure to sign players that have continued past the close of the window. This myth that Wenger gets a tough ride is nonsense - despite us barely getting near a trophy for years and years he's only copped some flak at limited points in the last 18 months or so - and now the signing of Ozil has given him carte blanche for the next few months.

  34. Graham Simons

    Sep 11, 2013, 9:09 #39113

    Sorry mate - the papers don't have an agenda against Arsenal. Maybe the reason as to why United are cut a bit of slack is they are the champions. We haven't won anything since 2005 and all the papers are doing is picking up on is the frustration of the fans. You can shut your eyes and put your fingers in your ears but everyone could see that frustration boiling over on the first day of the season and yet some fans think the reaction to the Villa game was an isolated incident and only related to that when it was much more than that and related to our long period without a trophy. This seasons really is make or break for Wenger and I wish him well.

  35. Flavour

    Sep 11, 2013, 9:00 #39112

    WOW! First class article, well researched and well said.

  36. Ali

    Sep 11, 2013, 8:58 #39111

    Although Wenger signed Ozil and won some crucial games recently,this doesn't change the fact that Wenger failed in the past eight years , mismanaged the team and failed to capitalize on opportunities to win actual trophies. Signing Ozil should enable him to win something (anything) after nine years and if he doesn't, he should shown the door immediately after the season ends.

  37. CanadaGooner

    Sep 11, 2013, 8:49 #39110

    I always struggle to understand articles like this (but credit to the writer eitherway, as he made the effort). When making a comparison, it is always useful to compare liek for like: so, other clubs (and you mention Man Utd, Chelsea etc.) have spent money and bought some crap players, but which other manager of a top 5 teap in any of the top leagues in the world has gone 9 years without a single trophy? If Arsenal has been losing the Capital One Cup & FA Cup to Man Utd, Chelsea and Man City in each of the last 9 years, one would say your argument is sound: but NO, we have been consistently eliminated by teams like Bradford, Blackburn, Birmingham and others who have not spent piles of money; and while all that's been going on, teams like Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and even Spurs, have been winning at least a trophy. Arsenal fans havent beein asking for much: we dont demand doubles, quadruples or back to back premier league trophies (we understand the whole stadium payment and keeping the wage bill down logic), all we ask for, is that we're not taken for mugs! charged crazy amounts for tickets (and even hot-dogs at the emirates cost £8!), and get promised an improved squad, get nothing, and ending the season dropping out of tournaments we could win, and not showing up in the league (scrapping top 4 year in, year out) and huffing and puffing in the champions league is SIMPLY PUT: NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

  38. Johnny Garcia

    Sep 11, 2013, 8:42 #39109

    Wenger has won 7 trophies not 11.What next you will be saying 4th place is a trophy.If you judge Wenger on the first 8 seasons then you have to judge him on the last 8.Something the AKB's fail to do.Remember before 2005 they tell us.At any other top club in Europe Wenger would have been fired after 3 trophyless seasons let alone 8.As for 4th place it was Wenger who told us he would rather finish 4th than win a domestic trophy thats where the finishing 4th comes from

  39. Joe Brown

    Sep 11, 2013, 8:25 #39108

    Beautiful article ! A very balanced assessment considering the fact that it was written before the signing of Ozil !!!!!!!!!!!