Arsenal 0 Chelsea 2 – Match Report

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Arsenal 0 Chelsea 2 – Match Report


(Ed’s note – As I am abroad at the moment, and there is no online editorial today, regular Gooner contributor Ian Henry offered to fill in with a piece on last night’s Capital One Cup game. My thanks to him)

Let’s start with the positives: no injuries (at least none that had been reported by the time I got home from the match) and we won’t have the extra game in December that Chelsea now have. Cazorla got 90 minutes under his belt, which I am sure he needed. However other than that, there’s not much to report.

Two mistakes by Carl Jenkinson (who I thought was positionally suspect all night and remarkably ponderous) led to two Chelsea goals. Game over. Apparently Arsene Wenger has never won a competitive game against Jose Mourinho. With Nicklas Bendtner doing a passable impression of the worst striker in the world, there was precious little chance of Wenger’s win-less status against Mourinho changing.

It was a something of a phoney war for early stages of the first half; Arsenal’s stronger than (I had) expected line-up featured three (Koscielny, Ramsey and Cazorla) from the starting line-up against Palace, with Sagna, Ozil and Giroud on the bench. Arsene was giving it a go or at least something of a go, with only Ryo of the starting eleven lacking in big game experience. And that inexperience showed as the Japanese youngster was clearly out of his depth against Ryan Bertrandt: Gnabry looks a much better prospect, more skilful and stronger too. Chelsea fielded just one player – Cahill – who had played at the weekend, and by the end it was clear who had the stronger squad. No surprise there.

It had been fairly even stuff, if unexciting, when a long, high and bouncing ball caused confusion in the Arsenal defence: Jenkinson tried to head the ball back to Fabianski, but his header went up in a loop, allowing the on-running Chelsea right back (yes the right back) with the unpronounceable name beginning Azpil to nip in and poke the ball passed Fabianksi. Could the keeper have got the ball? Possibly, but had he rushed out he would probably have taken the Chelsea man out and risked a red card. A few minutes before, a weak Jenkinson header failed to find touch and a Chelsea attack resulted in a shot on target. We had been warned.

Possession seemed to be fairly even but we barely troubled Schwarzer in the Chelsea goal; Monreal fizzed a shot past the post but I can’t recall the Australian being forced into action until a Giroud shot in the second half (almost his first touch after replacing the hapless Bendtner). But that shot came after the second Chelsea goal – Mata received the ball from a throw in (which came from a poor miscued clearance by Jenkinson) and was allowed to glide across the penalty area before being belatedly, but ineffectively, closed down by Monreal; his shot flew past Fabianksi and in reality that was always going to be it. To return to the shot by Giroud – as my friend Toby observed: Giroud did more with that shot than Bendtner had done in the previous hour.

Ozil was on by the time Mata scored and Giroud followed shortly; and while they, Wilshere and Cazorla kept going, Schwarzer was barely troubled and Mourinho’s typically well-drilled and organised side did what they needed to do get to 90 minutes.

In the course of the season going out of the League Cup (whatever its official name) doesn’t matter that much, or rather it shouldn’t; what matters is how the team (and remember much of the first team started or were involved against Chelsea) responds in the next week. Liverpool, Dortmund and ManU in succession will tell us all we need to know about the current Arsenal team’s prospects for the season. I’ll save my views on the team’s realistic prospects for the season until after 6pm on Sunday week.

I’ll finish with a couple of things; I was in the refined atmosphere of block 91 (that’s the one behind the TV cameras) and couldn’t believe how many people came in late after the start of both halves, or left during the game for “refreshments”. Can’t people survive 45 minutes without needing sustenance? Are they not interested in the match at all? And finally, why oh why does the stadium announcer have to say at the end of the first half that the first half had been brought to us by Capital One, the bank that looks after supporters? Is that in the sponsorship agreement? Ludicrous.


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  1. BADARSE

    Nov 02, 2013, 14:35 #41185

    Nice thoughts radfordkennedy. It's great to connect with like-minded souls on different topics. The danger is, had you been alongside, one of us may have mentioned Arsenal, then we would have conducted our bluesy feel into the love of the club. Ha ha a nice idea. If you ever catch the recording I am the acutely handsome one at the front, clapping in slow motion. Funny what senility does to you, I could have sworn I applauded faster than that! Three different Claptons in the three concerts. Blues was far and away the best for me, am sure it would have been for you, closely followed by the rock, yet the full orchestra concert was quite unique and one he should have repeated.

  2. radfordkennedy

    Nov 02, 2013, 13:13 #41180

    Badarse....i dont know if im talking about the same show but if i am i'm insanely jealous of you mate,i was away from home when Clapton did some shows at the Albert Hall in 91 with one of my heroes Buddy Guy(im a big fan of Chicago Blues you see) ive since heard a recording of the event and it opened up with my favourite all time song 'key to the highway'i wished id been there like you mate

  3. BADARSE

    Nov 01, 2013, 23:10 #41174

    Evening gentlemen. Great chat buddies. You are right Alsace, football has it's place, and at moments of high drama and levels of extreme intensity it is the meaning of life. Yet when it dips reality takes over. Glad you had a winner westlower, and your own horse! My Dad used to work the racetracks in the early 50's, and took me and the family along whenever he could as my brother and I grew a little older. I remember my Dad introducing me to Prince Monolulu at Doncaster, magical memories. I went to see Clapton in '90 and '91, Blues evening, Classical, and Rock, three magnificent shows in one of those years. Few weeks ago I recorded '20 years of Clapton' and was stunned when the prog began yours truly was sitting applauding with a group in the audience. That clip was repeated at every interval, it seemed like the Clapton and BADARSE show. Where did that suave laddy go? ...me, not Clapton!

  4. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Nov 01, 2013, 17:21 #41163

    The back end of this conversation reminds me of days on the North Bank in the 1980's. When what is going on, on the field gets too depressing, talk about other, more entertaining, things. Many thanks Westlower for your response. We need to buy DM's or employ someone who could be converted to the role. But the manager can't see it. Our season now depends upon Flamini's groin. Let us pray.

  5. Westlower

    Nov 01, 2013, 14:17 #41157

    Ron, There's an old racing saying that transcends into all areas of life, ' Always Back Winners'

  6. Ron

    Nov 01, 2013, 13:43 #41155

    Westl'r - Sounds good. I get to the odd day at the races. A bit of Cheltenham (up itself a bit), Haydock(good course/day out) and occasinally Chester (good day out).Warwick too. Ive no idea about horses/betting though. I look for a 7 or 8/1 ish and if the name sounds OK ill back it. I usually just about break even somehow though with my great formula!!There was a horse at Cheltenham 3 or 4 years back called 'Arsene Wenger'. It was a 7/1 so on went my tenner each way. You know the rest - he led for quite a way and fell back on the last few furlongs. Came in 3rd. Seriously. We had a good laugh about that at the time and i was with a few Villa and Leicester fans that day who made a big of thing of me not knowing it couldnt win! Good days out though mate.

  7. Westlower

    Nov 01, 2013, 11:47 #41149

    Ron, Sadly there is no profit to be made in part ownership of a horse. It has to be treated like any other hobby as a lot of outgoings and very little incomings! I share my time & money between horses, greyhounds and football. Unfortunately I don't have any musical talents but I love listening to people who do. Perhaps if you put your favourite LB on your Xmas list Santa will oblige.

  8. Ron

    Nov 01, 2013, 11:22 #41148

    Morning Westie - Cream!!! Bloody brilliant mate. Hendrix too. I play a bit of guitar (badly). Used to make me sick when Jimi couldd play his far better with his teeth! PS Sell that 5% and buy Wenger a decent LB from the profits matey!!

  9. Westlower

    Nov 01, 2013, 10:39 #41143

    Badarse, I also used to make the annual pilgrimage to the Royal Albert Hall to see Clapton. First saw him in Cambridge with the Yardbirds in the 60's. Then became a devoted Cream fan, if I was a girl I'd have become a groupie. Saw a great gig in a potato shed in Spalding where Pink Floyd were the opening act, Zoot Money, Jimi Hendrix, + 2 others that I cant remember but Cream were top act. Halfway through his stint Hendrix used to give up with his own material and play Cream songs. It was 15 shillings (75p)in old money to get in. Still remember seeing Hendrix sitting in a Ford Transit parked in the main street in Spalding waiting for the gig to start. Can't imagine that would happen today with the over-hyped celeb culture. Sorry this post is non football but I guess most people know my views on any given subject by now but I'll be back when my club needs defending against the dissidents! Had a great day at Lingfield park when a horse I have a 5% share in, won the big race of the day. Her name is Forgive and that was her final race before she becomes a broodmare. She's a bit like AFC in that she always bounces back from adversity. Enjoy the good days before the bad ones reappear!

  10. SteveH

    Oct 31, 2013, 23:47 #41134

    commentator on the 79 cup final was Peter Jones not Ron Jones!!

  11. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 31, 2013, 22:15 #41133

    Stevieo, well put, you've made plenty of friends now.

  12. JASON B

    Oct 31, 2013, 21:15 #41132

    Add on non existent crowd control after the game which led to long delays in getting on the tube at Arsenal and 12,000 Chelsea fans out singing 48000 gooners topped the night really.

  13. I´m a believer

    Oct 31, 2013, 19:09 #41127

    I thought 4th place trophy was only true in fairy tales. Meant for totingham hotspurs but not for me. But Wenger was out to get me. That's the way it seemed. Missing out on trophies haunted all my dreams// Then I saw wengers face, now I'm a believer. Not a trace of doubt in my mind. I'm in love, I'm a believer! I couldn't want more than 4th if I tried//

  14. Stevieo

    Oct 31, 2013, 18:04 #41126

    I’m siding with the ‘glad we’re out of the League cup’ loser mentality that’s rife on here. Definitely better to go out early against a top side than face the heartbreak of losing to a pub team in the latter stages. Let’s hope Liverpool beat us on Saturday as well. Best to drop out of the title race before Christmas than face the heartbreak of losing it on the final day. We can then concentrate going for a top 4 finish. The team excels when there’s no pressure of trophies, and everyone still ends up ecstatic with this outcome.

  15. Eddie

    Oct 31, 2013, 15:00 #41125

    Hopefully going out of the 'Mickey Mouse' cup early will actually do us a favour. We've made it to the quarters for the last eleven consecutive seasons, and just look at the misery it has caused. Misery which includes two final defeats (one against a championship opposition, and I wa genuinely upset and gutted after that loss), a defeat to ****in Bradford city (less said the better) and constant other defeats including against the **** (be it that revenge was extracted the season after, and then followed by another early round win). It usually always adds to the Arsenal 'out of 3 competitions in a week' slur that we tend to get to February. Happy days now, less games during the busy periods and less 'heartbreak' if you like when we lose in the semis or final. Plus, the likes of Ozil didn't join to lift the sodding League cup....previously lifted by the likes of Swansea, Birmingham and Spurs!

  16. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Oct 31, 2013, 14:07 #41124

    Radfordkennedy - yes remember Ron Jones very well. Towards the end of a game he often used to comment "a few of the crowd drifting off early for a Liverpool/Manchester/North London/Bristol/Newcastle etc tea"...the assumption that they actually came from the same town as the club in the commentary match....naive now perhaps, but then again much more common in them days. And his commentary when Alan Sunderland scored in the '79 Cup Final...."I do not believe it, I swear I do not believe it...."

  17. BADARSE

    Oct 31, 2013, 13:34 #41123

    WeAreBuilding, my music tastes are quite extensive and eclectic, but am not comfortable with much outside my usual choices. A flower power child of the sixties had the best of times, in so many ways. Been to Haight-Ashbury, bought 'Sargent Pepper' on day of release, saw the Beatles, Clapton a few times at the Albert Hall, McCartney, Paul Simon, U2, and some others. a buzz at the Wembley U2 concert in '93 was a live hook-up with Salmon Rushdie, who was in hiding. Then a great surprise he came on stage to rapturous applause, I was there with a Muslim friend, he waved and then had to scurry away, never seen my friend since, ha ha. No he joined in. Big O, John Denver, Neil Diamond, Joan Baez, oh wow, the beat goes on pal. You wouldn't want me to list the things in modern life that get my goat, just think of me if you ever watch Grumpy Old Men again.

  18. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Oct 31, 2013, 12:50 #41122

    Badarse - can I add to your list of prohibited items James Corden, cockney gangster films, Poundland, and those flashing speed limit signs that tell you to slow down but no-one takes any notice of. Ta. Oh, BTW don't ban all music but everyone must listen to Steps' Greatest Hits at least once every week.

  19. radfordkennedy

    Oct 31, 2013, 12:49 #41121

    We are building....agree with you mate in the pub with a few like minded enjoying a steady stream of adnams best is the way to go mate,the business ethic in the emirates reminds me of eating in a disney restaurant in florida whereby the aim is to have you on the premises for the least amount of time whilst extracting the most amount of money.On the subject of punditry my chosen career path took me all round the world some of it good some of it bad but one of the things I always looked forward to was a hook up to Ron Jones and whistling Radio 2 remember him

  20. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 31, 2013, 12:31 #41120

    Big Dave, he does exactly what the old man tells him, just like the rest of his followers.

  21. jeff wright

    Oct 31, 2013, 11:50 #41119

    I've never spent a day in politics but that has never stopped me from having an opinion on the abilities of politicians in how they are doing their jobs. Wenger once said judge me in May regarding his lack of winning any silverware - but he changed the rules when he failed to win anything by claiming that finishing 4th is a trophy. Those scenes last season of our players joyously celebrating finishing a narrow 4th in the league - a point ahead of the spuds were embarrassing. Third place was on actually with ten games left to play but Wenger failed to win the hardest two games at home in that run. Everton and United bot got a draw . We had a near 60m higher wage bill than AVB's hopefuls last season - but just 20m less than United's wage bill - and they finished 16 points ahead of us. Work it out. Of course Wenger selling RVP to his pal Sir Alex helped the jock to end his reign of tyranny on a high. No doubt he also appreciated that 'guard of honour' provided by Wenger for RVP and co when they strutted out at the Emirates as Champs instead of being chumps - when they arrived to purloin another point to add to the 3 they had won at Old Trafford. When Wenger starts beating United and Chelsea ,etc, instead of just the flotsam of the Prem some of us will take him more seriously .

  22. BADARSE

    Oct 31, 2013, 11:34 #41118

    Ron, you are a good man. jjetplane don't you dare go down the lane! ha ha. We may see things differently at times, but you are part of the squad buddy. Am not sure that your point in criticising other posts was on the money as much as usual but I sense your frustrations pal. WeAreBuilding, were that it was so easy to influence by opting out. I respect anyone's decision to pull up stumps and walk away. I deal with things in my own way, and prioritise differently to many. It makes virtually no discernible difference except to my own peace of mind. If I had my way I would have people reject the government, Coca Cola, all but probably the Guardian, Talk Radio, mindless mid Atlantic DJs, faith schools, all TV except The Simpsons, modern music generally, police governing themselves, UKIP, Tottenham, and chocolate-flavoured cereals. We just have to deal with it in our own ways buddy. When the going gets tough I do a passable imitation of an agony aunt, though.

  23. Ron

    Oct 31, 2013, 11:10 #41117

    BADARSE and WE ARE BUILDING ....... SKY and 'punditry' have often had my barbs on here guys as you know. Not buying the Club's ST ,mechandise and SKY is to be applauded from the rooftops! (Some body appears to have upset though you BADARSE? - roll with the punches my friend, its just a blog site!) Im not sure that are that many posters who accuse others of being a poor fan though are there matey, merely for having a different point of view? Look at me and 'Westlower'. We have great times, disagreeing with nearly every point we each make. Its all good fun!Chin up matey.

  24. jjetplane

    Oct 31, 2013, 11:08 #41116

    So Chelski, Citeh And Totts are all through in the L cup because they probably feel that a cup exit so early in the season is not what either the fans or the players want. It presents a picture of Arsenal as odd man out in the top present top 6 (and counting). I see some serious conjestion will form at the top of the league in the next fortnight and someone will begin the sublime tumble to non-contention. Our major problem is we simply have not enough players of the calibre of our opposition and I fear for Flamini having such a daunting workload in order that any 3 to 4 midfielders can compete with each other in role of artiste forgetting that most of the game is about graft with appropiate creative intervention. Our problem is that without Flamini the creativity begins in the wrong half of the pitch and any team on a roll may pick us off at will. A word to Ron - some great posts there and I understand your positivity even where others think it negative. Nothing more negative than losing and walking off with a smile with the manager nowhere to be seen. We can all hate 'Maureen' but does that man know how to manage. Yeah I know - 'f... off down the road'. I have - it's called Sussex league football and it's football played with a passion and some style and the chips are lovely! Peace to all Gooners.

  25. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Oct 31, 2013, 11:01 #41115

    Badarse; mate I am nearly 100% with you but feel you are a touch harsh on some of the players; clearly they are good enough to play at this level but who is holding them back? The coaching? AW? Has to be the manager; as in any business, it all filters down from the top. I agree totally about the punditry nowadays; a non-entity of a player like Kevin Kilbane gets to preach his gospel and it is taken as The Word. Anyone who played 5 minutes for your club 20+ years ago is described as "a legend". Much the same as 24 hour rolling news channels, the multitude of sports outlets have to have someone saying something, anything, to fill the "dead air". BUT there is another way....nowadays I only watch the game, either online or in a pub, and read a match report. The days of sitting next to a radio or Final Score biting my nails are gone. We have lost the people's game to the middle class and it ain't coming back. Hit em the only place it hurts....don't buy the shirt, the season ticket, the Sky subscription.

  26. RDT - 4

    Oct 31, 2013, 10:50 #41114

    Or, on the other hand, Wenger out.

  27. BADARSE

    Oct 31, 2013, 10:00 #41113

    westlower thanks for the support and breath of fresh air, it does give me a lift, truly. My concept of life, my grasp of culture's moods, hopes, desires and aspirations are all negated by a charge of ignorance. It is a sadness that descends as I think I have something to offer. Anyway Gooner, as I often say as a personal indictment of my perceived quandary, one person who understands my ramblings dismisses the weight of those who don't. Enjoy your day fella, and thanks again.

  28. Westlower

    Oct 31, 2013, 9:48 #41112

    Badarse, You have summarised the state of our conditional support as you find it, both in the Emirates and on these posts. The emergence of the TV football pundit/expert has warped the average fans judgement. One of the worst ever footballers it was my misfortune to witness was Robbie Savage. He is now reborn as the font of all knowledge. It's amazing what can happen to a lame ducks career because of appearing on Strictly. We now live in a world where the Sky pundits assessments are gospel and not to be questioned. Fans livid at their team losing, phone other experts on radio stages to demand the manager be sacked instantly & players ejected from the club, regardless that their team may be top of the PL. Knee jerk judgement formed through ill temper and lack of rationale is the norm. Enough of my preaching as I'm off racing to Lingfield Park this afternoon.

  29. BADARSE

    Oct 31, 2013, 9:26 #41111

    I am aware that people are disappointed about the recent defeat, I also recognise irritation as it is a very familiar scenario, guess other teams outside the 'top four' experience these emotions too, apart from odd cup-run seasons. To a position sitting atop the league, and level top in the CL group, we experience the following; in recent handful of weeks we have had this: Owner, Board, Shareholders, Manager, Other top backroom men, Scouting network, Medic team, Coaching staff, not fit for purpose. People who go to the Grove are:- 1) Most of fans are parvenus without any depth of understanding of either football in general, and more specifically our history. 2) Are visitors/tourists, and shouldn't be allowed. 3) Or fans who don't sing or stand, some just take photos, these shouldn't behave this way. With a strong insistence that the only true fan is an away supporter. The stadium is a morgue-like monstrosity, and a poor design which isn't up to the standards and expectations of the 'true' fan. With constant craving for a time machine to return to Highbury. Price of admission, people leaving early, catering, are also areas where change is required. Shirt design/colour/price is generally wrong. Ticketing Box Office is sub-standard. Many players are not up to a perceived standard of the club's imaginary minimum ability. Criticised recently and should be shunted out of the door:- Sir Chesney, Carl, Kieran, Bacary, Per, Kos, Verminator, Mik, Tomas, Aaron, Pod, Olly, Theo, Nick, Ryo, Park, Fab, Yaya, Diaby. Players who have limited ability or value to the side, and need to improve, or else:-Santi, Mesut, Jack, Ox. Even long-term injuries are not to be suffered. In other words only the Flaminal escapes but with a clear understanding that he has limitations and is being scrutinised, so he had better watch out. Our style of football, tactics, defensive organisation, substitutions, strength of character of players and their mercenary mind sets, overall squad quality and weaknesses in certain positions, need revamping dramatically. Our policy for the future of the club needs to be addressed, as our direction in the last decade has had the incorrect emphasis. Now all these points have a debating aspect, however the general consensus is that if you don't agree you are not a true fan. So my intellect/intelligence can also be added to that list of failings. My 58 seasons of supporting, home away, abroad are worthless too. The fact that I played to a quite respectful junior amateur level means nothing, as I just don't understand football. Despite my extensive knowledge of all things Arsenal, my Grandsons who know much less than me, need to improve in all departments, and should they reach my comprehension and emotional commitment to the club it still won't be up to scratch. These views are often tendered with a flimsily offered vague, and tacit suggestion that the poster is 'in the know'. As the proud Mum and Dad remarked as they saw their son with his squad marching past, 'Ooh, look. Our Tommy is the only one in step!' I guess I should be called Tommy, guys.

  30. Big Dave

    Oct 31, 2013, 8:52 #41110

    Would Bendtner have stayed at Man Utd so long ?. Chelsea-Big Players, Dortmond-Big Players, Arsenal-light weight midgets. And can someone tell what does Steve Bould do.

  31. Westlower

    Oct 31, 2013, 8:28 #41109

    Alsace, With Flamini & Diaby injured & Arteta suspended, JW was forced to play that role but that isn't what he's best at. He could have gone for the ball instead of leaving it for Jenkinson to head back to GK. I suspect Flamini would have dealt with the situation differently. The impact our long injury list is having on us is quite dramatic but I remain optimistic that by the end of the year we'll be back at full strength and ready to go for the PL title.

  32. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Oct 31, 2013, 8:15 #41108

    I wonder if you have to have " worked one day in football" to realise that you have to retain 2 or 3 men back behind the half way line when you are attacking? Only Flamini out of the entire club seems to be able to understand this. Please AKB's, tell me that you understand this and that it drives you crazy when the team can't. The brutal truth is that we have one defensive midfield player worth the name and if he isn't on the pitch, we don't have a hope against a proper coach or an opposition with midfield enforcers who take control of that area. We had a chance to get a win over Chelsea and increase our confidence. What does Wenger do? He does the same thing he always does. Make sure that he loses the game. Chelsea will win the League this season, because their manager isn't a clown like ours.

  33. Reality bites

    Oct 31, 2013, 8:11 #41107

    Westlower....are you Mandy Dodd in disguise?

  34. Westlower

    Oct 31, 2013, 7:15 #41106

    REASONS TO BE CHEERFUL: 1. Both Mancs + Chelsea & Spurs still in LC. 2. They've avoided each other in 1/4 finals. 3. The LC semi's are played over two draining legs in Jan. 4. Whoever makes the final in March will have to rearrange that weekends PL game to later in season. 5. Spurs have forfeited any chance of PL top four by still being involved in Europa & LC. 6. Only Liverpool remain focused on PL & FA Cup which will get them into PL top four. 7. PL prediction; 1. Arsenal 2. Chelsea 3. Man C 4. Liverpool 5. Man U 6. Everton 7. Spurs. 'Smile when your heart is breaking', the LC will soon be a distant memory, well out of it!

  35. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 23:08 #41105

    Gare K, i posted something similar myself regarding those who wanted us out of the COC and are happy we are, but as i read your post it occurred to me did they? and are they? maybe it was just another excuse been made for OGL and an attempt to exonerate him before the inevitable happened. Expect to see the same thing when the FAC comes around and we're drawn against one of the big boys we'll hear it's best to sacrifice the FAC for the sake of the prem, then it'll be just as well we're out of the CL now we can really go for the prem only to finish fourth. You couldn't make it up.

  36. Peter Hughes

    Oct 30, 2013, 23:07 #41104

    Westlower As usual sensible level headed comments. Of course we are all disappointed Difficult as we effectively played with 9 men. Afraid Ryo did look out of his depth & Bendtner had a real chance to put in a shift but failed to even put any effort into the game. Jenkinson had a nightmare but does not hide. Potential still there & hope he learns from mistakes. All our alternative offensive options injured at the moment. Chelsea definitely had the edge on the night. Gifted first goal & maybe Szecheny would have saved the second even though it was a great shot? Ozil put in some great balls in the area that players did not read which would have lead to chances. Hopefully will come together as the players anticipate his passes. Next couple of months will show if we are good enough. Could be a blessing in disguise losing now. I am sure players such as Ramsey & Wilshere will be busting a gut to try & make sure it does not happen again. Lets hope the players use this disappointment to positive effect.

  37. Gare K

    Oct 30, 2013, 22:14 #41103

    Good match report. 1) Our squad clearly isn’t strong enough compared to Chelsea’s, but many of us Gooners knew that already. True, their squad has cost a fortune to assemble in the last decade through the owner and a succession of managers but Wenger has spent fair amount himself contrary to popular belief. 2) Put Wenger up against a more tactically aware manager such as Mourinho (who I detest) and he’s found wanting. 3) This current squad are flat-track bullies. Beating teams in the league 11th and below is one thing, beating your fellow big boys is another and our record against the fellow big teams since the beginning of last season is appalling. Rivals will now sniff blood and it’s up to Wenger and the players to make sure a malaise doesn’t happen again. 4) I’m sure those who wanted us out of the League Cup are happy and I hope you lot enjoy watching the European Cup when it gets to the business end in Spring if we’re not in it. In my line of work, I know I will. 5) Wenger feared Mourinho going back to Chelsea just a few months ago. I mentioned this and was told by Lee Afc to ‘get a grip’. Well, Lee Afc, I could be a smug git and say ‘I told you so’, but I won’t. Unlike some of the regulars on this site, I don’t do smugness or vitriol just to prove a point.

  38. Ron

    Oct 30, 2013, 20:55 #41102

    Finsbury J - Not much to pick between the Arse and spuddos these days admittedly. I think with the spuds the whole club is ingrained with the belief that they just don't finish above the arse. Its just one of those things that 'is' and nobody can really figure it. If Arsenal were ran as a Club that pressured itself to be successful, the truth is that Tottenham would be a universe away from touching distance. The truth is that until the modern Chelsea, no London Club has ever been driven to think 1st is everything and 2nd is nothing. Success for most London Clubs is accepted as being cyclical and some thing thats 'nice' when it happens. The modern Chelsea and the Arse of the late 60s and early 70s are the only Clubs and era s where a hard nosed desire to succeed has been engendered within those Clubs. Its never occurred at Tottenham in the Clubs entire history. For a club of the spuds size they do do ok though in fairness.They could overcome Arsenal as you say, but need a bigger helping hand from Arsenal than they've had for the last 5-6 years to do it i guess.

  39. CanadaGooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 20:49 #41101

    @ Gooner Ron: I know you don't subscribe to 'holier than thou' I was pulling your legs. You're entitled to your opinion, but the reality is that with Arsenal, there's nothing like a 'general/sweeping' statement; those statements are the same people have made every year for the past 8 years and each year (and that will include this year too), those statements have turned out to be very accurate, and it's not because people making them are clever; it's because arsenal under wenger have become the most predictable team in the league. Come November, we cave in; come May, we finish in the top 4 (regardless of how crap we've been; the teams chasing champions league places always seem to fall away); these cant be seen as 'sweeping' statement or just careless words anymore; did I not state last week that I don't see us beating Chelsea? I am also saying right here and now, that the best we can do on Saturday is a draw against Liverpool at home (and we'll probably be made to work hard for that as well); and NO, it's not me just being negative; look at the performances against decent teams and tell me how sturridge and suarez wont get at least a goal each? our only prayer is that Rambo turns up!

  40. Ron

    Oct 30, 2013, 20:39 #41100

    Gooner Ron - to be honest mate, i don't think any team 'sh-ts themselves' anymore whoever they're playing. i honestly don't think they care enough. The PL has become an almost totally mercenary league and those that play in it don't have any affinity with or pride in their Clubs or the Cities and towns in which they play and ply their trade. You only have to watch opposing players at the end of games, they're all smiley smiley and arms round each other in the main, congratulating each other on the dives or cons that won a pen for their team or getting a 'mate' sent off. If a team gets a stuffing some where, they make all the right noises to the cameras etc but they dont really give two f--cks in my view. The big pay packets are there win or lose. Fot those players at clubs like Arsenal where top 4 suffices and getting blown away in the other tournaments applies, the lethargy and indifference is multiplied. You cd see them last night, happily chatting with the Chelsea lot, the appalling show they put on was forgotten in an instant.

  41. GoonerRon

    Oct 30, 2013, 20:03 #41099

    @ Canada - believe me I'm not holier than thou in my attitude, but it really frustrates me when people make sweeping statements like you did that the MAX we can get from those 10 games is 10 points. Some of those fixtures will be 3, 4, 5 months away when so much can change so why the sensational and negative predictions? Everyone saying Liverpool will be rubbing their hands together at coming to The Emirates - whilst they might be confident do you not think that they'll have an element of fear lining up against Ozil, Cazorla and massively in-form Ramsey and Giroud. Of we should be afraid, they should be absolutely ****ting themselves.

  42. CanadaGooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 19:54 #41098

    @ Finsbury Joe: we do try our best to give Spurs a helping hand; but as most realists know, they're just not good enough. if you think arsenal are crap, you simply have to look down the road. We can get as bad as we want, drop as many points as we want, and Spurs will still somehow manage to finish behind us. The real disappointment here is that we could at least try to get to the final of a cup competition and see how it goes (that said, the last two carling/capital one cup finals against Chelsea and Birmingham didn't turn out so good).

  43. johnnyh

    Oct 30, 2013, 19:16 #41097

    i doubt the result came as Any surprise to gooners. just the same old same old against chelsea. bendtner was useless up front but can i pose a question to all other arsenal fans? can anyone out there tell me how rosicky gets in our team? he cant defend,he cant shoot straight,his goals and assists record is diabolical for an "attacking midfielder". i cant think of any crucial goals or assists from him yet he has been at the club for seven years or so now.

  44. Finsbury Joe

    Oct 30, 2013, 18:52 #41096

    I think this could be the year Spurs finally pip Arsenal. As a Spurs fan I admit we have the quietest fans in the Premiership mainly down to the large amount of women children and mongs we seem to get at the lane these days. What do you goons think?

  45. jeff wright T

    Oct 30, 2013, 18:39 #41095

    Westflower,in defence of Lee Dixon there is no comparison between him and Jenkinson. Dixon's cockups would have to be compared with those of a player of similar standing . Jenkinson is in my view only Championship class along with some others in our squad . Jenkinson tries hard and doesn't hide,but grim endeavour can't make up for a lack of top class ability . He will never be top class .Just gaining more experience will not turn an ordinary player into a star - it never worked with Swiss Tony or Denilson ... Almunia and numerous other Wenger prodigies that he futilely persevered with . Wenger does like to try and turn Frogs into Princes though - he even once said we don't buy stars here,we make them. I think he's more interested in doing this than actually trying to win trophies and that's where it's all gone wrong for us.

  46. jeff wright

    Oct 30, 2013, 18:22 #41094

    Last nights result given Wenger's abysmal record against Mourinho was rather predictable - with the bookies even making Chelsea 11/8 favs to win the tie within 90 minutes - with our boys at 6-4 to do so. The bookies were right . The bookies go 4-1 and in some cases 9/2 for us to win the Prem - to do so we will have to finish in front of Chelsea and City though who are priced up at 7/4 and 9/4 to lift the Prem trophy come May. 4-1 looks rather small odds for Wenger to do what looks like mission impossible with his thin squad that is already showing,like Wenger himself,signs of stress . Every game is on the day though regarding results and a win over Liverpool would provide a timely boost before the trip to Deutschland where Wenger will have to do better than he did in the home tie if he wants to avoid the dreaded Ropey Cup . If we do - god forbid end up in that crock of ****e - then the clown Gazdis's claims that we compete with Real Madrid and not Tottenham will look rather silly. Gazdis being made to look stupid though is nothing new he's built a career on doing it.

  47. Westlower

    Oct 30, 2013, 18:21 #41093

    In defence of Jenkinson, who remembers some of Lee Dixon's own goals? The classic being 'lobbing Seaman from 30 yards'. Despite this Lee came good and so will Carl. Michael Fish was another outstanding full back from the GG era!

  48. CanadaGooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 18:20 #41092

    coming from a guy who's nickname is AugustusCeaser! or is that your real name too? wont be surprised. what a tw*t

  49. AugustusCaesar

    Oct 30, 2013, 18:14 #41091

    "NOVEMBER! THIS IS OUR WENGER, THIS IS OUR FATE, THIS IS OUR REALITY!" Hahahaha!! Who does this guy think he is? William Shakespeare? What a ****.

  50. CanadaGooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 18:07 #41090

    @ Gooner Ron - in your eagerness to act so clever and point out goodness knows what; you missed the fact that my point is that we can go on and drop those points to those 5 teams and we'll still do well in the league, as those 5 teams end up dropping points to the lower league teams (which is one of the reasons we always end up in the top 4). If you can just ease up a little on the 'holier than thou' attitude, perhaps you'll begin grasping some facts in what people post as opposed to jumping up on errors, like this was a GCSE exam!

  51. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 18:05 #41089

    Ron, i agree, the scousers are probably doing a Jim White with one hour to go on deadline day (licking their lips)good one on the lip reading are you sure it wasn't Ozil pleading with him to come here? maybe that was one of the conditions he gave him his shirt.

  52. Plastic Canadian

    Oct 30, 2013, 17:54 #41088

    Until we win a trophy I am not ever ever going to a game.....so there

  53. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 17:27 #41087

    Gaz, it's the same old story mate just like all the rest OGL's waiting for them to come good and we know how that takes/turns out.

  54. Squad

    Oct 30, 2013, 17:03 #41086

    i think it was proof of what we all suspected. we still have a few duds in the squad and if you have to field them against the likes of chelsea rather than say norwhich then they will be exposed. Chelsea had Eto or Ba or Torres. We have Giroud or Bendtner. i think the pretty much bossed us and had players like Mata sweating blood as they want to get into the first 11.

  55. Bard

    Oct 30, 2013, 16:43 #41085

    Whatever the arguments are about Wenger it's blindingly obvious that we don't play as a coherent unit. It's all a bit like a sat kickabout. Both Chelsea and Dortmund were rock solid as a unit . We look far too exposed and this makes us easy to pick off. We get away with it against rubbish but the better sides know if they remain patient we will make unforced errors or leave ourselves exposed. This is down to tactical discipline and sadly Wenger doesnt do that stuff and never has done. We' won't move on until it's addressed.

  56. Gaz

    Oct 30, 2013, 16:10 #41084

    Nic Bendtner in yesterdays programme: 'I’m here, part of the group and as professional as any other player.' ‘That’s not just words, you can see it in my matches, in my training and in my COMMITMENT.’ In next weeks programme Squillaci, Denilson and Song talk about their glory days at the Club and how they never gave anything less than 100% in every game...

  57. Tony Evans

    Oct 30, 2013, 15:58 #41083

    Westlower - where do you get your weather forecasts from - Michael Fish?

  58. FPGooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 15:48 #41082

    As has been reported, we have played teams whose average league position has been 15th. We meet two high quality teams in Dortmund and Chelsea and we lose. In fact, last night wasn't a loss, it was a capitulation, surrender, men against schoolgirls etc. I am grateful for the flattering scoreline, it could have been far worse. To all those gooners, who have been carried away by our exalted position in the league - Try and get a grip on reality. We have faced teams in the league this season with an average league position of 15th. Our main striker last night couldn't get into my local pub side after last night's farcical performance. Wenger's reaction? 'Confidence at Arsenal intact'. What would have been Ferguson's reaction? or Mourinho's? They would have been livid with the score and the St. Trinian's performance, and after mutterings of 'We need to improve, sort things out etc', they would exit. But then, they are winners. It has been reported that Wenger is to be offered another 3 year contract. This would be utter folly. AKBs consistently state that Wenger has kept us competitive. Yes, we compete, whereas teams such as Manure, Chelsea, Citeh win. We are lumbered with a manager close to retirement with no burning desire to win anything anymore. It takes Wenger a very long time to decide when a player is either substandard or past his sell-by date. This has happened numerous times in the past Almunia, Senderos, Squillachi etc. That needs to happen now with Jenkinson and Arteta. When Wenger signed Sanogo, it was well known that Sanogo came from the lower tier of French football and was injury prone. He has spent more time on the treatment table, in the time that he has been with us, than off it. But Wenger still has complete faith in him. When interviewed after the Palace win, Wenger looked very smug to be at the top of the table after another win over more relegation fodder and made reference to Gooner reaction after the first game of the season loss to Villa and said 'To some people, every loss is a crisis'. I have said this for the last few years to fellow gooners - We are never going to win anything with Wenger in charge. The weak minded will respond with 'what? we are league leaders. What are you talking about?' Looking at it qualitatively (sorry Spuds, don't see you as top quality) , Played 2 (Dortmund and Chelsea) , Lost 2 (Dortmund and Chelsea).

  59. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Oct 30, 2013, 15:36 #41081

    Westlower - I don't like Arsenal fans bitching at each other but your post is straight out of La La Land. "When all the injured players return" (THAT HAS NEVER HAPPENED!) or "Bendtner has become inhibited playing in front of supporters willing him to fail" (BENDTNER IS A LAZY, ARROGANT CART-HORSE AWARDED £3MILLION A YEAR BY WENGER) or "Ryo needs to be given a chance" (WHY?? HE'S CLEARLY NOT GOOD ENOUGH) or "We now have a manageable clear fixture list" (ARE YOU SAYING THAT GOING OUT OF THE LEAGUE CUP IS GOOD THING?) or "Let's see what happens when a full strength AFC play a full strength Chelsea on Dec 23rd" (WE'LL LOSE TO A MOURINHO TEAM LIKE WE ALWAYS DO) Sorry mate but your post is all IFs BUTs and EXCUSEs - just like Wenger!

  60. Jim

    Oct 30, 2013, 15:35 #41080

    Westlower, Don't worry about these whingers, they always come out in their numbers after each defeat. Us proper gooners know the score and when the trophies come it's far sweeter for us.

  61. Westlower

    Oct 30, 2013, 15:30 #41079

    Tony Evans, The weather in cloud cuckoo land is very overcast at the moment with angry looking clouds overhead. Thankfully the long range forecast is for sunny skies and a much brighter outlook as May approaches.

  62. Ron

    Oct 30, 2013, 15:10 #41078

    Westlower - Have you been kicked on the head by one of the racehorses youve been watching matey? Youre heads been full of thoroughbreds and then you mention Bendtner in the same breath. Its concussion mate. Has to be. Either that or youve eaten some pony nuts and its brought on hallucinations!!

  63. lee armitt

    Oct 30, 2013, 15:08 #41077

    until we end our trophy draught I'll always care about the league cup.we arent in a position to pick and choose what cups we want to win.

  64. CT Gooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 15:01 #41076

    Feels this sums up where we are right now. Project Dead Wood is not finished, still 4 or 5 need to go for me, and unfortunately that includes Rosicky, Arteta & Bendtner. The strength of our development players also has to be evaluated, beyond Gnabry, who is close to joining our weak squad? Yes, we have a great starting 11 (when healthy), but our second choices are not upto snuff when compared to our supposed competition!

  65. Man United Killer

    Oct 30, 2013, 15:00 #41075

    We will beat liverpool or draw at the worst.They are a club on the rise and hardly the finished article.In my opinion, the real test comes with clubs like Chelsea,Manure and Citeh at home.Lets not even talk about playing away against them yet.

  66. Man United Killer

    Oct 30, 2013, 14:51 #41074

    We will win the league and make it to the CL final again-and maybe almost win it.Wenger knows what he is doing.Afterall which of you have worked a day in football eh?

  67. Tony Evans

    Oct 30, 2013, 14:36 #41073

    Westlower - what's it like over in cloud cuckoo land?

  68. Kev

    Oct 30, 2013, 14:23 #41072

    Sound report: But although predictable very depressing performance. I am not either anti Wenger or pro he has good points but also very bad ones. His transfer dealings in the summer are indefensible and are highlighted in games where he can not field his best team. In fairness the injuries to the wide players (all four) hurts the squad. Its sad that Bendnter and Park still play for us both pathetic. Rosicky annoys me with a lack of final ball, goals and an ability to carelessly give the ball away. I hope we can compete but really believe 4th is the best we can hope for, Wenger needs to strengthen but how many times do we say this. We surrendered last night and it hurts but it hurts more that we have money and still have the same weaknesses I am sure the majority of us want a top striker and a top draw defensive midfielder. Are we all wrong?

  69. GoonerRon

    Oct 30, 2013, 14:00 #41071

    @ Canada - it's not about being a clever clogs, it just shows that you're so keen to make sweeping, sensationalist statements that you don't see the reality of it. Yes, we might well lose games against some of the top teams, but I'm not sure why you are so convinced we won't win ANY game home or away against these teams? I can't recall the exact results but I'm pretty sure we've beaten all of those teams at points over the past few seasons.

  70. Westlower

    Oct 30, 2013, 13:28 #41069

    Underachiever, Sorry to keep you waiting as I've been watching racehorses gallop on Newmarket heath this morning. I would have cancelled the visit if I had realised you're gagging to abuse me. Stay calm, it's only the LC. We now have a manageable clear fixture list with no games on Dec 17/18, Jan 7/8, Jan 21/22 & Mar 2. Should we have played on Mar 2nd the PL away game at Stoke would have to be moved to probably Mar 25, just after away games at Spurs & Chelsea & the 2nd leg of CL - not ideal. The unclogged fixture list will swing in our favour early in the new year. The longer both Mancs, Chelsea & Spurs stay in the LC the better. The biggest factor on last nights result was AFC suffering from numerous long & short term injuries. I trust you know enough about AFC without me naming the unavailable players. Anytime soon our injured players will start returning and the world moves on. Our manager only signs players who will get injured - really? Bendtner has become inhibited playing in front of supporters willing him to fail. You've got your wish and I feel it's only worth playing him in away games. The service he needs was badly missing, ie crosses he can attack with his head, needs Walcott & Ox supporting him. His International goals prove he has ability but he'll never show it in front of a unforgiving crowd. Ryo needs to be given a chance against lesser opposition than Chelsea to see if he can attain the required level. Jenkinson is a trier and needs more games. JW is not as his best as a holding midfielder but he'll do a wholehearted job. Giroud, Kos and Ramsey continue to impress. Let's see what happens when a full strength AFC play a full strength Chelsea on Dec 23rd.

  71. Danny

    Oct 30, 2013, 13:28 #41068

    i am re posting this again! The score line again proves what I been saying for years We will not win anything with Wenger in charge. This team is mentality and physically weak against superior opposition and coaches like Maureen. Its Wenger's ACHILLES HEEL, play attractive games against weak teams and come second. I will go on record and say, we will lose against Liverpool also. Until this clueless Coach leaves we will not step up a level. Tactics and buying crap like Jenkinson , Ryo and Bendtner does not cut it. we need to get rid of him fast...........

  72. jjetplane

    Oct 30, 2013, 12:59 #41067

    Be afraid of the coming saturday. Very afraid. Sturridge and Suarez are literally terrifying at the moment and with Flamini already injured before he even has a chance to prove himself in a big game, I cannot see how we can hold these players. I also hope our 43m man is not going philosophical on us at such an early stage in his Arsenal career but do remember it only took RVP one excellent season before he had had enough. I noted some disinterestedness in his game at the Madrid circus and perhaps Wenger's ongoing mismanagement might be the worst thing for him - creating comfort zones and related. Hate Chelsea all we want but there is never a cup they do not take seriously. That goes for most premiership teams especially if their oponents are an historical soft touch. IF we beat Liverpool then all well and good for the moment but looking at that Sturridge dance I really fear the worst. Still - my little team are going guns in the Sussex leagues so reading about the Emirates tells me alot aboit current Arsenal culture. As Ron has said on many occasions, the game stinks and is nothing more than a 'sports event'. Why should that new type of fan think football in the old school manner? It appears that is not what is about anymore.

  73. Ron

    Oct 30, 2013, 12:55 #41066

    Macguiresbridge - Matey, Liverpools record at Arsenal has been dire for years, but its hard to see anything other than Saurez and Sturridge tearing that defence apart and creating mayhem on the week end. The shirt Mourinho had was Ozils. Im sure i lipread him whispering to Ozil 'When youre tired of this garbage youve hooked up with Mesut, you know where i am, just have your agent tip me the wink'!!

  74. maguiresbridge gooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 12:47 #41065

    Positives Ian? it was a prem team that knocked us out not a lower division one,we're not good enough and nowhere near but we didn't need last night to tell us that.Regardless of what way it's looked at, with all the excuses and spin it's another failure, knocked out of another cup competition but we're well used to that by now. Of course lots of fans will be happy about it, it was just an inconvenience after all a mickey mouse cup that is until we'd have got to the final and maybe have won it, but we weren't going to with a display like that, and with players like Bendtner (no matter how he plays for his country) and flappy among others, here we were laughing at Joe hart and the blue mancs, and up pops flappy and Jenkinson to wipe the smile of our faces. Was that an Arsenal shirt Maureen was waving about on the pitch after the final whistle? (was he trying to tell us something?)while hugging his players i guess winning means something to him and them, as OGL disappeared down the tunnel with his usual expression after getting beat. Not to worry December 21st won't be long coming round and we can get them back when it really matters, and OGL can put the record straight. The scousers are in town at the weekend another test hopefully we'll pass this one.

  75. Ken

    Oct 30, 2013, 12:39 #41062

    COME ON YOU REDS, BLUES, WENGER THE BEST MANAGER HA HA HA HA

  76. Gaz

    Oct 30, 2013, 12:39 #41063

    Losing a game is one thing but chelsea hardly had to play that well to beat us. Horrible 90 minutes highlighted by the performances of three players who looked so out of place at this level it was frightening. Jenkinson needs a long run in the first team-which he ain't gonna get-or a long-term loan. What he should never be again is first choice understudy to Sagna. Miyachi looked so out of his depth it looked like he'd won one of those competition where a fan gets to play for his local side. As for Bendtner....where to start! Utter utter disgrace of a performance. No effort whatsoever and it's hard to get my head around the fact that between last night and the end of the season he'll cheat this Club out of £1.5m. And don't anyone spin me the daft line that 'they're only squad players so what do you expect?'. Either they're able to contribute to the first team in a positive manner or they should be booted out of the Club. Neither of those three can so whats the bleedin point of having them there in the first place? What really worried me though was that with the majority of our best attacking players on the pitch we never made their keeper work for his nights pay. Thankfully we've got three huge games coming up and win them (or win two draw one/win one draw two) and we we put this behind us.

  77. underacheiver

    Oct 30, 2013, 12:28 #41061

    Come on westlower. You're a bit slow posting today. Having trouble finding a way to spin this one?

  78. Ken

    Oct 30, 2013, 12:12 #41060

    OH WELL ONE CUP GONE 3 TO GO COULD THIS BE THE LAST SEASON FOR WENGER???

  79. CanadaGooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 12:07 #41058

    ok clever clogs: add the 2 points. Difficult to remember we already beat Spurs at home as the 1 - 0 wasnt glorious enough perhaps? ha ha. Jokes apart, YES, if we fail to land a trophy at the end of the season, I wont be back at the emirates until we have a new manager. I am not asking anyone else to join me in this, so, NO not urging a boycott: every man to his own decision.

  80. GCKD31

    Oct 30, 2013, 12:04 #41057

    Our best chance of a trophy gone and I'm expecting to see the wheels come off in the next 3 games (but hoping they don't) ..... disgusting lack of effort from Bendtner and Ryo way out of his depth meant we had no hope of scoring so a totally predictable & expected defeat .... i hope we can hang on till Jan and still be in touch in the League and have qualified for last 16 of CL, which if happens and we buy 2 World Class forwards to complement Giroud, we will be in with a shout ..... if we stay as we are, we'll be potless again ! (mind you everyone knows that except our boss it seems)

  81. Roy

    Oct 30, 2013, 12:03 #41056

    While I wasn't expecting Bendtner to pull up any trees last night, what we actually got was nothing short of shocking. At least Miyaichi, although out of his depth, put himself about a bit. A very bad day at the office for Jenkinson, culpable for both goals and extremely shaky throughout. There's a fairly good chance that Jenks will be needed for a run in the side at some point this season, and although it's difficult to just come in for the odd game here and there, he is better than he showed last night so we need to tackle that problem somehow and make sure that his confidence levels remain good. Thats called man management. The same cannot be applied to the hapless Bendtner though, who looks just to be filling in time. Giroud has been left badly exposed by Wenger, and finding back - up in January won't be easy.

  82. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Oct 30, 2013, 11:39 #41055

    Wenger used to be a great manager - so how can he have such a gigantic blind spot re: modern football?? Too many lightweight, injury prone, weak willed players. What other top manager would put up with an arrogant, useless chump like Bendtner??

  83. Kenny

    Oct 30, 2013, 11:38 #41054

    Happy Groundhog Day.Totally predictable play a half decent team and we get found out.Last year we got 2 points out of 18 v Utd City and Chelsea.This season heve beaten no one.How can any manager go into the season with Billy Bender as our 2nd striker.He's always been hopeless but last night was an all time low.Arsene knows.no he doesnt.Ozil is a good player but the number 1 priority this summer was a striker everyone kmew it.We were told by Gazidis we had £70m to spend we spent £42m of it.We wont get into the knockout stage of the CL this season and we will end up 4th or 5th.But that is our level.Mourinho played two holding midfielders we had none.Our midfield was overun.Wilshere is so predictable he picks the ball up 50 yards from goal beats a man then runs down a blind alley.Yet pick up any paper and he is the new messiah.Are they watching what we are? Love him or hate him Mourinho is a winner and knows how to win games like these.Wenger hasnt done that for 8 years and by last nights performance he never will again

  84. Anna Mary

    Oct 30, 2013, 11:18 #41053

    We lost to a very good side. I just hope this does not effect our game on Saturday. We've lost 2 home games consecutively & losing a 3rd game on Saturday would just mean we will again finish 4th. I feel this is Wenger's last year as a manager irrespective we win trophies or no. Cannot see Arsene signing a new contract. The faith of the team can only be restored if we thrash Liverpool on Saturday, which looks highly doubtful. Its that time when we say "Arsenal In Crisis"

  85. Clive the Gooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 11:14 #41052

    Wenger threw the game before we kicked off by picking Bendtner, he should never play for us again and should have been sold years ago. Once again in a game against decent opposition we gift them a goal. Wenger never learns we've a weak squad and millions sittting in the bank it's ridiculous. If Giroud picks up an injury or a suspension we're up a certain creek.

  86. Ron

    Oct 30, 2013, 11:10 #41051

    Fishpie - Good comments and youre right the 2nd string team that is supposed to be used in games like that, if using such a team, is one that is supposed to be full of players who have points to prove and show the coach they shd be 1st team candidates. The term 'not available' in Arsenals case though is now so, so tiresome. Same old injuries to the same old lightweights EVERY year makes Wengers 'rotation' and 'prioritizing' a joke. In addition, that team he fielded last night was clearly instructed to go easy and make sure there were no heroics. It was a disgrace and once more Wenger shows us why he should go.Yes, they were well beaten by a far better side and maybe would have been whatever they did, but just to go through the motions at half pace was despicable and an insult to those who went. They gave Chelsea a night off! Where's the f-----g pride in the Club?

  87. SteveArsenal

    Oct 30, 2013, 11:09 #41050

    A very good piece Ian. Measured, sensible...and observant Thank you. And your last pargraph was spot-on. They should be asked "Are you truly interested in football and suppporting your team, or are you here because it looks good to tell your mates? There are plenty of people who would love to be here but can't afford to but a ticket. Give it to one of them next time."

  88. chris dee

    Oct 30, 2013, 11:04 #41049

    Oh s**t! Judging on last nights timid surrender and passionless display against one of the top clubs we are gonna win sod all again this year.Whats the matter with the coaching staff? We just don't learn.Dortmund our defenders caught up field ,a breakaway game lost. Palace our defenders caught up field,Arteta has to foul Chamakh and get sent of to prevent Chamakh from progressing. Chelsea our defenders get caught up field after a corner they breakaway, we panic, one goal down.It's been a recurring problem over the last eight years and it's still there. Unf*****g believable!

  89. WHL87

    Oct 30, 2013, 10:41 #41048

    Our plucky second string would've done us a massive favour by getting knocked out against West Brom on penalties - then we would've had a far more useful week off instead of playing that lot last night. Wenger was caught between a rock and a hard place - go all out with your first team for the win (with Liverpool looming on Saturday) or play a fringe team and get stuffed by the money launderers on your own patch. In the end he did neither - although we did get stuffed. Personally, I'll take a win against the Scousers on Saturday and put this one down to experience (and bent Russian money). Up the Gunners.

  90. Fishpie

    Oct 30, 2013, 10:40 #41047

    A B-sides game. Or in Arsenal's case, a bit A-side and a bit C- side too. Typically a B-side is made up of your best cover players and bench players, or not your first eleven at least. Assuming our current first eleven is Schesny, Sanga, BFG, Kos, Gibbs, Flamini, Cazola, Jack, Ozil, Ramsey and Giroud, we might have expected to see Fabiensski, Jenkinson, Vermealon, Monreal, (Kos or BFG as we don't have another CB cover), Arteta, Theo, Rosicky, the Ox, Gnabry, Sanago, Podolski in this game. That's not a bad B team and one that I think would have been better than having to play Bendtner and Ryo. But over half of our real B team wasn't available. Chelsea had their full B-side available (I think). I'm not saying our full B-side would have reflected the deeper depth of squad quality Chelsea have or such a line up would have been able to overcome Chelsea's well drilled team organization but it might have meant fresher players playing for a first team place with perhaps a better blend of directness, technique and energy. Defensive mistakes aside, to me the gaping hole remains a better second striker to help us puzzle and open up the better defenses.

  91. Ed enough.....

    Oct 30, 2013, 10:37 #41046

    Same old same old.....Comes to big boys and we bottle it...and here comes the traditional Nov slump....Defeats to Liverpool and then Van Utd a given now...

  92. Red Member

    Oct 30, 2013, 10:25 #41045

    until a replacement is found for Van Persie then this team will not compete for let alone win anything. Groundhog day again. I expect the board are pleased to have got the AGM over with for another year already.

  93. Croker

    Oct 30, 2013, 10:24 #41044

    No strength in depth for us.

  94. radfordkennedy

    Oct 30, 2013, 10:00 #41042

    All credit to Arsenal for providing a mid week training game for Chelsea..If AW actually believes as stated that we have at least 2 players for every position thats truly worrying,i thought it the most embarassing lightweight inept display,will be watching saturday through my fingers.AW was less than gracious again in the post match interview saying they didnt deserve to win,Wenger you was turned over again by a better coach with better players who understand basic defensive tactics...two defeats possibly soon to be three at home on the trot what a load of ol'sh#t! feckin rubbish Wenger feckin rubbish!

  95. Sam

    Oct 30, 2013, 9:50 #41041

    Agree re the 'refreshment' fans. Yes, the queues are long for a drink at half time but are you there for the p*ss beer or for the game?! Depressingly outclassed by Chelsea B. We should look to sign Azpil (another Basque) as Sagna has only this season left in him and Jenkinson is a lovely lad who gives everything, but isn't good enough at this level. Who's shirt did Mourinho take at the end? Has he got a sensible son (or daughter) who's an Arsenal fan?

  96. AFC14

    Oct 30, 2013, 9:48 #41040

    Same old story..

  97. Don Froth

    Oct 30, 2013, 9:25 #41038

    We'll finish fourth again because we are the fourth best team in the league!

  98. Jack

    Oct 30, 2013, 9:25 #41037

    Canada:We've already beaten Spurs at home so there's your theory out the window, I still think we will win more big games than we lose. The worse thing was having to listen to that bore Ray Wilkins bigging up Chelsea and slagging off Arsenal on sky sports. Didn't get to the game as all the tickets were snapped up by in my opinion cheapskates and nominal fans. One thing for sure offering cheap tickets doesn't work as no one took the game serious turning up late and leaving early. They should ban these cheap ticket and cat C games as It stops the real Arsenal fans getting tickets, why bother when we have 40,000 on the waiting list for season tickets. I for one would happily pay £60 minimum (if not a season ticket holder) every game which would give us the clout to add more world class players to the squad like Ozil than fart around waiting to be caught up by the swampdwellers and wham when they get their bigger grounds. Also I only earn £25,000 a year so don't think I'm rolling in it and £1700 goes on my season ticket.

  99. Monty91

    Oct 30, 2013, 9:23 #41036

    That Bendtner chance - Yeah, i can't believe he's not sharp what with all the football he's been playing

  100. Where's Wally is a Gooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 9:23 #41035

    Ed, you provide strong evidence that you don't need to be an alcoholic to support this Arsenal team, but it helps.

  101. Seven Kings Gooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 9:06 #41034

    Well at least I understand the meaning of a "False Number 9" now. In the last two defeats we have played teams with very astute, tactical managers and the results have been quite predictable.

  102. Bard

    Oct 30, 2013, 8:58 #41033

    Nice post . Bringing on Park summed up our squads strength. You can't gift goals like we do Ramsey And Dortmund, Jenks last night it changes the tactical appoach. We looked what we are lightweight. Looking forward to reading the AKBs explanations for that woeful display last night. The lack of summer transfer activity coming back to bite us big time.

  103. Tony Evans

    Oct 30, 2013, 8:49 #41032

    Entirely predictable: Loads of injured players, which for me reflects the type of player Wenger is so keen on i.e. lightweight; a weak squad anyway with far too many overpaid passengers, which is shown up virtually every time we play a proper quality side and a manager that does not seem to understand the word defence. I think the realists amongst us can all see how this season is going to pan out. We might be top of the league now but let's see where we are come Christmas.

  104. GoonerRon

    Oct 30, 2013, 8:49 #41031

    @ CanadaGooner - errr, we've already beat Tottenham at home so that two more points than your prophetic forecast of results against the other big teams. Are you really threatening a boycott at the end of season at a time when we are top of the league and top of our CL group? Brilliant.

  105. Ron

    Oct 30, 2013, 8:14 #41030

    A scoreline that was as certain as am following pm. Men v schoolboys. Players on that pitch having been allowed to play at 50%, except for Bendtner who didn't play at all. The body language and gait of Wenger as he left his seat at the end was telling. He looked pleased and relieved to be out. Shocking. There was a football Club over there at one time!Those who paid for that rubbish deserve a full refund.

  106. Ali

    Oct 30, 2013, 8:02 #41029

    We should now concentrate on EPL and forget about FA Cup and Champions League, otherwise it will be another trophy-less season and just a top four place at the end of the season.

  107. Peter Wain

    Oct 30, 2013, 8:00 #41028

    Playing with 9 men it was always going to be difficult. Ryo clearly is not good enough and as for Bendtner we might as well have started with 1o men for all the effort he gave. The paucity of our transfer dealings in the summer were really shown up and with only one striker at the club it looks like a long season for Giroud. Matches against Liverpool Dortmund and United now look unwinnable so much - for all the earl season optimism.

  108. CanadaGooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 7:58 #41027

    Nice report Ian, thanks. Not a surprising turn of events; and our embarrassment as a club under Wenger continues (I wonder how the man himself feels? - he's probably still hiding behind the "League Cup's not important" delusion). Last night's result has nothing to do with how we value the League Cup, it's mote to do with Wenger's unbeleivably poor head-to-head records against managers who have exposed his ineptitude (Fergie, Mourinho, Allardyce etc.). I bet the TV pundits are all licking their fingers right now, awaiting Saturday's game. I dont see us beating any of the following clubs home or away this season: Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City, Liverpool and Tottenham. The best we will get at home against all 5 will be a draw, and we wont beat them away.That's an absolute MAX of 10 points from 30. So, if we carry on beating the Hulls, Palaces and those lower table clubs, we will still do very well in the league (might be difficult winning it though). This is the painful reality we have to face as fans. For me, I made my mind up over summer: IF WENGER FAILS TO WIN A TROPHY THIS SEASON AND HIS CONTRACT GETS RENEWED, I WILL NOT ATTEND ANOTHER MATCH TILL WENGER LEAVES THE CLUB. It's that simple. I am not one to urge people to boycott matches etc., I think it has to be a personal choice, and I've made mine. I cant say I've seen a more pathetic manager in top-flight football in recent years: year after year, excuses after excuses: PATHETIC!. Now, that's my rant done; I will be at the emirates on saturday, singing my lungs off, urging the team on, but again, the inevitability stares us in the face: NOVEMBER! THIS IS OUR WENGER, THIS IS OUR FATE, THIS IS OUR REALITY!

  109. David

    Oct 30, 2013, 7:53 #41026

    Men against boys again.Teams dont win titles squads do.And we saw last night Chelsea are much stronger.The Ozil signing is just papering over the cracks.Bendtner and Jenkinson are no good at this level i dont think Bendtner broke sweat he was a disgrace and to think some were saying get rid of Sagna and replace him with Jenkinson.Ryo couldnt get into a relegated Wigan team so what is he doing at Arsenal?And the saviour of England had another poor game.Why did Wenger risk Giroud when the score was 2-0 and the game was over.A reality check

  110. lance peters

    Oct 30, 2013, 7:39 #41025

    bendtner,jenkinson were pathetic. miyachi was out of his league but he is a reserve team player so he can be forgiven. bendtner - clearly just at arsenal to get paid cos no other team would pay his wages. just floated around the pitch either losing posession or playing a backward pass. had 1 opportunity in the 6 yard box and instead of turning around to score he just laid the ball off to the edge of the area (his job done). jenkinson - horrific display caught out of posession backward pass that led to the goal and not being able to get in a decent cross. we need proper back up for sagna. did anyone notice ozil getting furious with jenkinson to reading his passes in the end ? lets hope he does not regret coming to arsenal.

  111. prophetofdoom

    Oct 30, 2013, 7:36 #41024

    told you so! how pitiful is the depth of our reserves? bendtner made giroud look quick, (and even chamakh is an improvement), and he's the option when giroud gets injured; god help us! Similarly, Jenkinson, who was woeful in every respect, from positioning, heading,passing, tracking and crossing. to the knackers yard with the pair of them. Why is Ryo still there? He's clearly never going to make it, which begs the question, why wasn't Gnabry out there? He can't be tired from being overplayed, and the more times he plays the better he will get. Wilshere is still a shadow of his real self and Rosicky was rushing around with little idea of what he actually was supposed to be doing. TV5 looked solid though for someone who hasn't figured, The trouble is OGL will now have even more reason to believe that Arteta makes the difference- but anyone with eyes in their head knows he makes matters worse. Can't wait for Saturday....

  112. Savage

    Oct 30, 2013, 7:28 #41023

    Disappointed that our established midfield couldn't create more chances, but to be fair, Chelsea marshalled us well. We really missed that bit of cut and thrust that Ox, Theo, Poldi and Gnabry would have given us. That's a lot of width injured for a single game, and perhaps gives this game a bit of perspective. As far as I know, Chelsea had only one injury in their entire squad.

  113. Camgooner

    Oct 30, 2013, 7:21 #41022

    Nice report. The stats on tv confirmed that the Giroud shot was the first on target for us in the match. Bendtner looked woeful. Giroud was a massive improvement.