The Flamini Influence

On the currently injured return of the prodigal son



The Flamini Influence


Ed’s Note – This piece was submitted before Flamini’s recent injury. When Arsenal announced that Mathieu Flamini was rejoining the club on the 29th August, the signing was met with anything but enthusiasm.

Re-signing a 29-year-old Frenchman who had struggled with injuries during four years in Italy was hardly inspiring considering the club’s alleged transfer kitty. Yaya Sanogo, another free transfer, had been the only other signing despite failed attempts to lure a big name, most notably Gonzalo Higuain and Luis Suarez.

However, just nine matches later, the former AC Milan midfielder has shown his value, having become a vital cog in the Arsenal machine which currently sits top of the Premier League. A player of the ilk of Flamini has long been needed - it could even be argued since his departure in 2008 - but with him back on the scene it is plain to see exactly how important he is. With his ball-winning, tenacious style, Flamini gives licence to the club’s midfielders like Ozil, Wilshere, Cazorla and particularly Aaron Ramsey to attack.

Ramsey in particular has benefitted from playing next to the Frenchman. At the back end of last season he was required to be more defensively minded next to the composed Mikel Arteta but, with his new partner, has been able to show his own attacking credentials. Ramsey has earned many plaudits due to his goal-scoring run of form, but it could be argued this is mainly down to the man next to him who holds things together whist he attacks.

It is not just the Welshman who has benefitted but the team as a whole.

With Flamini, Arsenal are more of unit, and are implementing a new counter-attacking style of play, to which he is vital. Even in the recent win over Norwich, Flamini showed his worth. This was a match Arsenal were expected to win and therefore in front of the home crowd didn’t really play their counter-attacking style but were more suited to controlling the match. While the 29-year-old was on the pitch the Gunners dominated and showed no sign of allowing the visitors back into the match after Jack Wilshere’s delightful finish gave them the lead. However, after Flamini went off due to concussion, having clashed heads with Alex Tettey, Norwich grew into the match.

Chris Hughton’s men found themselves pushing Arsenal back, and almost equalised before half-time, only for Wojciech Szczesny to stop a Leroy Fer effort. Even after the break, their pressure was unrelenting, though it was the quality of Arsenal’s midfielders, Mesut Ozil and Aaron Ramsey, that assured the victory with their individual brilliance being too much for the Canaries to handle. It’s not to say the game was in doubt once Flamini left the pitch, but that Arsenal were in full control with him on the field of play, and, once he departed, the visitors asserted themselves on the match.

Against a tougher opponent, perhaps Arsenal’s soft underbelly would have been exposed once more, due to the lack of the defensive shield which Flamini offers. This can be highlighted by the result against Tottenham, when Flamini entered before half-time replacing the ill Jack Wilshere. He gave Arsenal the steel they needed to grind out the victory, something that is now becoming a regular occurrence (although Mesut Ozil often adds a touch of magic). In the past, rarely would Arsenal have been able to defend deep and see out a result like that, but with a defensive midfielder now at the club, and one so commanding as Flamini, it seems to have become an option; the talk of “no real leader in the Arsenal backline” is beginning to disappear.

With the attacking flair-players Arsene Wenger has brought to Arsenal there has always been a need for that balance and that issue now seems to have been addressed. Flamini may not have cost £42.5m but has had an astronomical effect on the team, and has helped the defence out no end. With him shielding in front of Mertesacker and Koscielny, it prevents players running straight at the heart of the defence, as has been the problem in recent years, and it is no surprise the Gunners have made their best start to a season since 2007/08 (the last year Flamini wore an Arsenal shirt prior to this).

One player who may be fearing for his place in the side would have to be Mikel Arteta. Arteta, the club’s vice captain, could become a regular feature on the bench with the Ramsey-Flamini axis working wonders. Wenger does still seem to want to accommodate the Spaniard, who started centrally against Norwich ahead of Ramsey, but does he really still merit a starting role?

After Alex Song left, Arteta looked to have filled the role of deep-lying playmaker, but does not quite have the strength to hold the midfield together, nor the sheer energy to run box to box. The side seems to have evolved, and with Flamini and Ramsey working wonders at the heart of the midfield, it would be difficult to see Arteta holding down a regular starting berth. His style does not seem so suited to the counter-attacking strategy currently being utilised, though against the lesser teams at the Emirates, like Norwich last weekend, he could find playing time.

As much as Wenger admires Arteta he will need to get the balance right and, despite being a fine passer of the ball and adding composure to the midfield, so far this season it has been shown that Arsenal really need a tenacious terrier-like player in Flamini protecting the midfield with the club currently on top, in both the league and Champions League group.


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  1. Jason B

    Nov 03, 2013, 1:18 #41189

    I'm with Gooner pete on Vermaelen and Flamini together. Or give Vermaelen a little run in that position. Adding a little difference to the mix.

  2. BADARSE

    Nov 02, 2013, 13:26 #41181

    ROCKY THE KING and Gare K. Am not sure I can throw any light on the seemingly unique medical problems at the Grove. I know that recovery times are very personal though. With that in mind individuals can actually mend quicker-or slower than anothers. I wouldn't have thought the disparity could be easily observed though. Sometimes extent of injury may be disguised, so one players damaged hamstring may be more severe than another's. Then mental attitude plays it's part. The treatment I would think is common across the board. A key player at 100k per week is expensive downtime of the highest order, so every club wants it's player back on the ball. Our woven pitch has been sited as a possible- I think likely- adverse effect in sustaining so many injuries, but doesn't address the reasons for slow recovery. Yet it may answer some reasons why a mended player gets injured again so quickly after his return. A far more obvious reason for a repaired footballer breaking down is the general frailties of the human body. A man out for any period of note, even two or three weeks returns with a supposedly fit and prepared body. It isn't. All the uninjured areas of the body are suddenly put under stress when actual playing commences. Training can only ever bring you up to a certain level, playing takes you well beyond that threshold, and subsequent breakdowns occur, often in related areas to the original injury. Can we really have a sub standard medical staff? If we express surprise, wouldn't you expect the powers that be to have already taken a concerned note of proceedings? I think it can only be circumstance. I don't believe there is a secret agenda, or a very calamitous medical staff. Though it has been rumoured that Kenneth Williams and Hattie Jacques look-alikes have been seen entering the Grove, muttering, 'What a carry on!'

  3. Gare K

    Nov 02, 2013, 11:35 #41178

    Rocky The King - spot on mate. Your comments are exactly what I've thought for a long time.

  4. ROCKY THE KING

    Nov 02, 2013, 8:32 #41176

    Diaby when fit good become Vieira mk II if he put his mind to it, and with a little more discipline Frimpong could also become Song mk II, this is the problem with crocks and youth, and AFC is full of them. Our medical staff can't turn round players as fast as other clubs for some reason, why is that?

  5. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 01, 2013, 21:48 #41173

    Gare K, i'm glad you brought up the Flamini boo boys i was standing with my ten year old daughter waiting for the players to come out onto hornsey road after what was to be Flamini's last game for the club in 08 we were standing across the road when Flamini came out he was driving a dark blue porsche if my memory serves i could confirm it, even the number plate if i bothered to go up to my daughters bedroom where she has the photo she took framed and on the wall, as she clicked he looked straight at her smiled and waved, a fantastic photo. I remember the jeers and the boos he was getting that day no doubt the same fans now think he's the second coming and the best thing since sliced bread. And it would be just the same with RVP the same fans who turned their back, and those who threatened to do it but hadn't the balls when he came back with man yoo and are still slagging him off would be singing his name again if he started knocking in the goals that won us an FAC or a prem, and no doubt OGL would be revered for an inspired signing.

  6. James

    Nov 01, 2013, 20:32 #41172

    Arsenal have accumulated the most points since January,was Flamini here pre September. Stop bigging up one player all the time it's boring and rather moronic.

  7. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 01, 2013, 20:31 #41171

    M.U.K. i agree we don't have the players to fulfill wengers philosophy, when you think of all the dross OGL has assembled over the last nine years to try and play the way he imagines the game should be played, if it wasn't so serious you'd have to laugh.

  8. Carlos

    Nov 01, 2013, 19:10 #41170

    He is indispensable if we are to mount any sort of challenge for the league title. It's a shame he left, I don't think there was anything the manager could have done to impede it. That the manager thought Alex Song was a replacement is beyond ridiculous.

  9. Bard

    Nov 01, 2013, 19:02 #41169

    Ron; this is where Wenger's either arrogant or stupid, I dont know which. Liverpool will sit deep and compact. They will keep the ball well and run us around. They know we will bomb forward like school kids and they will hope to hit us on the break or wait for the usual mistakes. To my mind we really need not to lose tomorrow even a draw will be a good result as far as Im concerned. But Wenger will make no tactical adjustments whatsoever. It will be the same old same old. It might come off if we hit a golden patch but I've yet to see it against a good side except the first 20 mins against Napoli.

  10. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 01, 2013, 18:59 #41168

    Ron 44033, good shout but one of the problems is, in OGL's tactless mind other teams shouldn't do that to us it not fair.

  11. Gare K

    Nov 01, 2013, 18:58 #41167

    There’s no doubt Flamini has done well since he came back. But you have to wonder why a supposedly intelligent man like Arsene Wenger thought for a few years he could either do without one or one who wasn’t as effective as Gilberto Silva. It’s a no brainer. All good/great teams need that ‘destroyer’ in midfield but because of Wenger’s obsession of having almost every outfield player an attacking player or a ‘footballer’, he felt he could do without one as it went against the way he wants his teams to play. Denilson was p*ss poor, Song overall wasn’t disciplined to play in such a role and as for Arteta, bitch please! Wilshire & Ramsey as DM’s? Don’t make me laugh! Half of the Gooners who are praising Flamini are probably the same lot who called him ‘greedy’ and a ‘mercenary’ or ‘Flamoney’ when he left back in 2008 and deluded themselves in agreement with Wenger that signing an experienced DM would ‘kill’ Song, Denilson & Diaby. I’ll admit that I thought us signing Flamini was a cheap option for Wenger but a smart move by the manager on re-signing him and I’ll admit to being wrong there. But I still feel he should have signed another DM as we have now discovered with the Frenchman’s increasing absences. And with our overworked and at times fragile back four whoever plays in it, we still need one every game.

  12. Roy

    Nov 01, 2013, 18:16 #41166

    Disgraceful that since Flamini left that we've had no one who can perform the role adequately until his return. Gross mismanagement. There was one awful moment after I heard he was back training with us, that it looked like we might not resign him. A no brainier really considering he was free, but not to OGL, apparently.

  13. Ron

    Nov 01, 2013, 17:46 #41165

    Bard - Youve perhaps noticed as well that the familiar non aggression, tippy tappy tip tap is now played using far longer balls between the likes of Wilshere and Ramsey and Cazorla as they look both top operate as midfielders and wing men all at the same time, thus the passes go astray far more often, hence good sides are happy to wait for us to 'give' them the ball. Rubbish PL sides chase it and we can pick rubbish teams off for that reason. A quality side's midfield actually play meaningful tippy tappy themselves, but amongst 3-4 physically strong midfielders who are close knit in front of their defences and the '3-4' move forward through the centre strip of the pitch as a unit, with the ball, looking to get it out wide at the right time, usually when our full backs are pushing on lazily on 'auto pilot' for no reason. They dont have the f---ing ball so why do it???!. Those so called quality middle men of ours cant get in amongst them as there is nobody physical enough and theyre too far flung from each other. Theres never much of a gap between the '3-4' and their front man/men either, until the front man makes his run. They do this and effectively starve Arsenal of space/pitch room. It works every time. Dortmunds midfield were excellent at it, yet people said they didnt play that great. They did and knew exactly what they were doing.Each man knew his job. Munich are great at it as well. Arsenals middle men just try and interchange and look sophisticated. They lose the ball and are clueless to get it back again and look like the proverbial 'busy fools', each looking at the other for an idea on what to do. The Chelsea sides under Mourinho are always good at unit moving (not as good as the top euro sides though) and they were made to look like world beaters the other night v our greenhorn lightweights. Its often Wilshere who gets first sniff of getting the ball back as he does have some guts to challenge for it (hes the only one), yet when he does get it, hes left with no option other than to try and retrieve lost ground so he charges forward and usually runs into traffic as the opposition s '3-4' ferry back as their own defenders get back close to them, He then falls over or just gets dispossesed. Persoanlly, i think Wilshere could be a great player, though he lacks match intelligence (most english players do!) but he wont be a great player under Wenger. He ll get burnt out, seriously injured again or just wasted. He ll realise one day as he gets older and ask to move if he s any sense. You ll hear the better pundits say they still unsure of Wilshere. Some say the jurys out.Theyre not anti Arsenal as people say on here. Not at all. I agree with them, yet to speak ill of him to Arsenal fans is heresy. Im not that impressed with him at all yet. He thinks hes 'Roy of the Rovers' and so has Gerrard all these years, hence Fergie is actually right to say Gerrard isnt a truly top player. For me JW is going the same way, but wont score goals like SG to mask his ineffectiveness v top opponents.

  14. Van de Ed

    Nov 01, 2013, 17:35 #41164

    @Tony Evans - spot on with your comments! In addition to the other well illustrated deficiencies in our squad, our ridiculous injury record is a major setback for this team. A few players are always carrying the load for sicknotes or deadweight in our squad. Ramsey seems to already be running on fumes; same with Flamini, Giroud, Ozil etc. When they do get injured, (like Wilshere was after being overworked), it'll inevitably be for months and not weeks!

  15. Man United Killer

    Nov 01, 2013, 17:12 #41162

    @ Tony Evans interesting point about Gervinho.The Gervinho case is pretty straight forward to me.The speed of English game is unrivaled.The pace of the Italian game is very similar to that of the French game (actually still a little slower in Italy).Gervinho is one who needs space and time to figure out his next move.That luxury doesnt't exist in the premier league hence is unsuccessful spell.Any follower of the Serie A will likely agree that the era solid Italian defending is long gone.

  16. Danny

    Nov 01, 2013, 16:59 #41161

    Don't forget Flamini has learn from the famous Milan academy of defending, that's why we had improved. with him out, look at us now. defense is not taught or spoken at Arsenal Wenger has to go!!!!

  17. Man United Killer

    Nov 01, 2013, 16:58 #41160

    @Ron, I hear you buddy.Profound tactical nous is the lifeblood of every coaches job and how Wenger still has his job is beyond me. I dont think as a team we even have the right players for the kind of footy Wenger wants to play.I am not sure if we even have one player who has has the balls to take players on everytime he has the ball.And that is why our attachs often break up on the edge of the box.What comes after that is anyone's guess.And apart from Ramsey and occasionally,Cazorla no one shoots.

  18. Bard

    Nov 01, 2013, 16:29 #41159

    Ron; your post raises the problem much discussed on this site, Wenger's tactical nous or lack of it. We frequently play sides off the park especially rubbish but we rarely see a tactically astute performance. You really notice it when we play the top sides. Even Southampton and Swansea are tactically right on it. At the top level you have to have discipline defensively. Wenger's unwillingness to embrace it or even bother with it is why we will never win anything under him.

  19. Ron

    Nov 01, 2013, 15:11 #41158

    M.U.K - The need for a largely outright defending full back is more acute for Arsenal i think mate, for one primary reason. When full backs attack, a midfielder, not usually the 'holding man', more a wider midfielder is supposed to drop into the hole that the full back leaves and cover the said full backs arse whilst hes on his run up the flank. Arsenal NEVER do it. The midfielders are either looking to puch on themselves or simply arent coached and have no discipline. This is why better teams give us the ball and just wait. They then catch the full backs up field and drop a ball in behind for a winger to run onto into the non guarded hole. The full back dallies back in the meantime. Its quite pathetic and is basic coaching. The trouble is made worse in that if one full back goes forward for us, so does the other on the other flank. Quite why is anybodies guess. By doing it, they give the opponent two out let balls i. e the dropped pass behind either full back.Its suicide yet Wenger has fallen for it no end of times. Utd used to get us every time. We used to make even Nani look a good player as he would be the recipient of the ball behind the full back - usually Gibbs!

  20. Man United Killer

    Nov 01, 2013, 13:58 #41156

    @Ron lol@Clash of the fraudsters.Regarding the other fullback providing 'insurance', I guess I never looked at it that because I figured that is what the 'anchorman' would do but I see what you are saying and it makes perfect sense.And, true we make a very good point that we don't have a player who can really cross the ball (even if they are not a wide player) and this is due to someone shirking their responsibilities during the transfer window.Our lack of adequate activity will come back to bite us- no doubt.The question is how bad will it be?

  21. Tony Evans

    Nov 01, 2013, 13:13 #41154

    Ron - agree with you that Wenger and his backers have dined out on the Henry transformation for far too long. Now he tries to force square pegs in to round holes far too often and thinks that total football is the answer. It might be if you had talented enough players but to try it on the cheap is laughable and fully explains the lack of trophies since 2005.

  22. John Gooner

    Nov 01, 2013, 13:00 #41153

    600ER Pete, I must admit I thought similar to you. Why not use Vermaelen as cover for Flamini? Arteta is a good posession player, but he just looks out of his depth in that role. Vermaelen has just as must ability with the ball at his feet as Flamini does, but is arguably better in the tackle. The only question mark is whether he would be able to cope in a positional sense. I wrote an article on a similar topic, but I doubt it will get seen as it was a bit rubbish, even if I do say so myself.

  23. Ron

    Nov 01, 2013, 12:53 #41152

    Tony - Oddly enough a mate mentioned that the other day re Gerv. He saw a Roma game on TV and said he had to look twice to check if it was actually THAT Gervinho! Different game over there of course but your points a good one. Im not sure Wenger (save for Henry's conversion) has ever truly made a silk purse etc etc though. All a bit of an overblown myth.

  24. maguiresbridge gooner

    Nov 01, 2013, 12:44 #41151

    He's shown his value alright for what it was,where would we be if he hadn't fallen into OGL's lap? no doubt it was all part of the nine year master plan. He's just waiting on the same to happen with RVP, Cesc, and Ashley Cole.

  25. Tony Evans

    Nov 01, 2013, 12:04 #41150

    Not related to this article at all but has anyone else noticed the rave reviews a certain Gervinho is getting at Roma? Wenger used to be lauded for being able to make a silk purse out of a sows ear - I wonder now if it is the other way round!

  26. Ron

    Nov 01, 2013, 11:04 #41147

    600NER PETE - Fait comment mate. A lot have suggested it. Its worth a try at least. My own view is that while he s worthless as a CH due to a chronic lack of height, he s also not much use for the role you suggest due to his fragility and mainly for his lack of mobilty. He falls some where between a CB and holding player, but fails to meet the criteria for either, so his use really is only as a fill in/back up type and even then is only cut out for games v weaker opponents.

  27. Clueless

    Nov 01, 2013, 10:51 #41146

    Flamini is a natural defender who enjoys disrupting the other sides progression. he also has passion and leadership qualities. none of this is new information. we all knew it 6 years ago

  28. Ron

    Nov 01, 2013, 10:50 #41145

    M.U.K - Great points mate. Im of the view that a team needs a genuine wide player for attacking and crossing and that any team always needs at least one full back to defend, defend, defend. Such a full back offers so much valuable 'insurance' to the central defenders. I saw Flam as having those qualities when he played there. Youre right though, he cant cross andf he is slow, but then neither can Wengers two backs cross or anybody else in his team to be truthful mate either!I agree with you on that Liverpool game too. I reckon they ll scratch a narrow win v them and that it isnt really the true litmus test game we ll face.Look at Liverpools fixtures too. Theyve beaten nobody any good yet either.Its like the clash of the fraudsters!

  29. Man United Killer

    Nov 01, 2013, 10:42 #41144

    *I meant to say has NO pace.Darn smart phones.

  30. chris dee

    Nov 01, 2013, 10:32 #41142

    Flamini is not a great player but he brought to the team something that we have lacked in bucketfulls for a few years. He is passionate,he is hard working,he is diligent,he is a team player,doesn't shirk physical challenges, is resilient and is constantly encouraging his team mates. In short everything that was missing against Chelsea and that all of the Chelsea players had. Unfortunately these attributes are not something that Arsene seems to insist on these last few seasons and it has,and will continue to hurt us.But it can be added to a players talents ,just look at Mata.We should not have to start s******g ourselves because Flamini is injured. Of course we Arsene can dispel these doubts by winning the next three games,that's what a trophy winning team would do.

  31. Man United Killer

    Nov 01, 2013, 10:30 #41141

    @Ron, I agree with your post except for Flamini at left back. I think it was a classic case of using the wrong tool for the job. Flamini has pace and can't cross the ball- just like our current full back. He would just be like another Sagna (defensively solid)-without the pace. That will do more harm than good at the moment as we depend on fullbacks for width. Also his ability to get more decent crosses will be further stifled given that he is right footed . We have done an absolutely terrible job of replacing like for like after the dismantling of the in invincibles. Our fullbacks can't cross.out midfield can't bully and our striker(s) can't score consistently.

  32. 600NER PETE

    Nov 01, 2013, 10:20 #41140

    I think it would be worth a try playing Vermaelan alongside Flamini in a similar way that Petit and Viera used to play. They used to give the back four extra protection but also gave options in going forward.

  33. Ron

    Nov 01, 2013, 9:50 #41139

    Flamini s a decent player, He always was decent. My own personal view is that he d have made a top quality Left back (he showed it too while he played there) and would have mede the position his own had he not have seen himself as a middle man, but there you go, what do i know! Had he have done so, we maybe wouldnt have been lumbered with a LB 'problem position' which has been the case ever since Cole was sold in my view.None of the incumbents of the position have been any use since Ashley C walked. Flamini today? Ill be honest. Hes still just OK. His fitness record is poor and he ll miss a lot of games. Hes not the best and Arsenal need better, plus maybe with Flamster in there as well but alongside a true quality Petit type. As Tony says though, we ve only got Flam by default. Wenger wont buy quality (Alonso wd still be good). Unless his middle men are tiny totts, lightweight choirboys and indulge him with flicks and back heels he doesnt want to know. Fergie has summed Wengers teams up in his book when he said the teams of the last 7-8 years are full of 'clones'. He s so right as so many of the players are just mirror images of each other. You could go right through the team now and make a case that each of his players (save for the BFG) could merge into each others identity. Its hard to say with certainty what the best position of any of Wengers players actually is! Wenger has a notion of a team playing 'total' attacking football aka Brazil 1970 circa or Ajax/Holland circa mid 70s. Hes delusional as 1.Such players arent produced nowadays and if they were he wont sign them and 2. buying cut price midget imitations wont cut it. Its self defeating and dare i say it, boring too and wont produce results in too many crunch games in my view.

  34. Man United Killer

    Nov 01, 2013, 9:47 #41138

    It's Wenger!!! I wouldn't get too stressed about stuff.Compare our players to the the other top sides and it's clear it's Boys vrs. Men. Wenger has gone from signing imposing, no nonsense , bulldozer-type players to suckling boys who won't show up at big games and even struggle in small games.its the new era.I believe we will beat Liverpool. In my opinion that is not the really big test.The games vrs. Dortmund, Man United, Chelsea and Mancity is what will tell us if we are ready to compete with the Men.

  35. Tony Evans

    Nov 01, 2013, 8:39 #41137

    Agreed - the difference a player like Flamini makes is immense, which only serves to make me despair of Wenger even more. We have been crying out for a decent defensive midfielder since Flamini left, but no, Wenger sticks with Song and then try's Arteta in a role which he clearly is not not made for. I don't think Flamini (or a player if his ilk) was even on Wenger's radar in the summer and he only decided to go with Flamini as an after thought because it suited his penny pinching ways. As usual though with Wenger there is no cover for Flamini when injured, just like with Giroud; which is why I can not see anything changing this season - not with Wenger at the helm.

  36. Bard

    Nov 01, 2013, 8:14 #41136

    The fact that he only signed him again after he trained at Arsenal tells you all you need to know about our chaotic and random transfer policy. We have been crying out for a DM since Gilberto left but no Wenger has deemed that we dont need one. The side with Flamini in it is totally different to the one when he's not. We look a top outfit when he plays and decidedly average when he doesnt.

  37. David

    Nov 01, 2013, 5:57 #41135

    Funny that the key to AWs early success was buying cultured thugs who bossed midfield. All the really creative stuff came from inside forwards and wingers. Why did he forget a winning formula?

  38. Winner Matahula

    Oct 31, 2013, 21:11 #41131

    Flamini's importance to the team was harshly highlighted in our last two defeats. He is the spine of the team at the moment.

  39. Whizbanger

    Oct 31, 2013, 19:57 #41130

    Wenger works in secret. Over the years I have learned to discount any media report about who he "is after." Until the player arrives for a physical, I do not believe any of the rumors. Wenger has had some young defensive midfielders in the works (Eastman, Frimpong) but they never really make first team competitions. The fact that he has not replaced Flamani on his first departure speaks volumes about his approach to football.

  40. Benny2

    Oct 31, 2013, 19:39 #41129

    You mean when he tried to get Gustavo? > You would have thought Wenger would recognize the need for a defensive midfielder instead of accidentally stumbling upon Flamani for the second time. He is stubborn, that is for sure.

  41. Whizbanger

    Oct 31, 2013, 19:34 #41128

    You would have thought Wenger would recognize the need for a defensive midfielder instead of accidentally stumbling upon Flamani for the second time. He is stubborn, that is for sure.