Another happy trip to Cardiff

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Another happy trip to Cardiff

Ramsey: respectful non-celebration


In the early part of the Millennium, Arsenal enjoyed a large number of trips to Cardiff when Wembley was being rebuilt for Cup finals, a semi-final and Charity Shield games. Although those trips started and ended with defeats, there were many good times in between.

The only reason for a return to the city since the domestic cup finals returned to Wembley was an FA Cup match at Cardiff City’s old Ninian Park ground in 2009, a 0-0 draw in which Arsenal hardly set the competition alight. Aaron Ramsey had a poor game on his return to the club he had left a few months earlier, but what a difference almost five years makes, as the Welshman put in an excellent performance at Cardiff’s new stadium to retain the Gunners’ place at the top of the table.

I was surprised to see Mathieu Flamini not start. Mikel Arteta returned to the starting eleven, with Jack Wilshere retained as one of the wide attacking players. Perhaps there was an element of rotation to this, but for me, Flamini is a vital component of Arsenal’s spine, and should start if available. It will be interesting to see how this develops.

Wilshere seems to have adapted to a new role in the team. Wenger principally sees him as a deep midfielder, but if he is the talent everyone believes he is, he has the intelligence to adapt. The fluidity of the Gunners’ front line helps in that he is free to roam. The attempt very early in the game which hit the post was a signal of intent. Cardiff enjoyed two significant moments of danger before the interval, but for the most part, Arsenal were on top. When Giroud stopped playing thinking he was offside, it was understandable. He could see that Ozil had clearly touched on the through ball that made him offside. However, the linesman missed it and the chance of an easy goal was spurned. It turned out to be an afternoon when Giroud just wasn’t going to score.

However, the team’s other regular source of goals stepped up to fill the gap. I have previously compared Aaron Ramsey to Bryan Robson, and his opening goal was another moment reminiscent of the former England captain’s ability to break from midfield and finish off moves. Cardiff’s marking will not have pleased their manager, but it was nevertheless an excellent run from the number 16, finishing off a fine cross from Ozil. It was a lead that was fully justified.

Cardiff at home this season have been unpredictable. In the league they have won two, drawn two and lost two. However, wins over Manchester City and last weekend’s draw with Manchester United suggest that on their day, they can get a result against anyone. Early in the second half, after Giroud had a shot cleared off the line by a defender, the home side had their spell and put Arsenal under pressure. Wojciech Szczesny pulled off a Gordon Banks style save to deny their best attempt, confirmation that he has really developed his game this season and won Arsenal several points. It shows the true cost of all those wasted seasons with Almunia. Through the spine of the team, you need quality, from back to front if you are going to win things. Paris 2006 and that horrorshow for the Barcelona winner comes to mind. Sure he pushed the ball onto the post earlier, but when called upon to do the basics it was worth nothing. Szczesny is quite patently a greater talent.

Around 70 minutes, I thought the team were crying out for the introduction of Flamini and Walcott. The former to break up Cardiff’s rhythm and rally the troops, and Theo to provide an outlet that would give Cardiff something to occupy two players at the back instead of inviting the Alamo.

They did eventually enter the fray some minutes later, and both contributed to the goals that sealed the game. Flamini scored a cracker after an Ozil assist to demonstrate he is not merely a holding player, whilst Theo set up Ramsey’s second.

It was another convincing performance from Arsenal, especialy on the back of a midweek Champions League game, as they continue to beat the teams that dwell in the bottom half of the table. It is the stuff of title winners, and the side are beginning to develop the kind of aura that will give them a huge psychological advantage as the season continues. Manchester City and Chelsea aren’t going to be intimidated, but there are enough other teams in the division that can provide the points that can bring a title back to Arsenal for the first time since the Invincibles.

Naturally, having been burnt more than once in the seasons since, fans are still reluctant to start really believing. There have been collapses that still haunt. The issue is whether this group of players has something different from, for example, the sides of 2008 and 2010, who had every chance of winning the league in February of those years. The argument that things are different now is related to the experience of the players, and perhaps a more defensive mindset, a change of approach that was required to scramble fourth place last season.

So the foundations are in place, and performances like that witnessed yesterday against Cardiff do give reason for confidence. Hopes are currently higher than Cardiff owner Vincent Tan’s waistband. Luck will play a part, with the avoidance of injury to the key men something which needs to be relied upon. If not, then teams with greater strength in depth will win the day. Fingers crossed…

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  1. jeff wright

    Dec 05, 2013, 14:49 #42496

    He's doing very well Chris at beating the lower sides consistently, apart from Villa and West Brom . Not so good though when he's faced top ones losing at home to a Chelsea second string side in the Cup game and away to a struggling United side in the league. United's demolition job last week on Germany's second best side on their in their own stadium makes me rather dubious about taking Champions League form too seriously. So still more questions than answers,but we will have some before Santa comes to town . A week is a long time in football and things can soon change for the better or worse ,so let's hope it's for the better.

  2. Chris

    Dec 05, 2013, 14:12 #42487

    Jeff - Not alot at the moment! (although signing a striker in the summer would have been a smart move...) Perhaps you'd like to expand on what the manager is doing well at the moment? The league table. for instance, would suggest that he's doing rather more well than he is doing badly...

  3. jeff wright

    Dec 05, 2013, 13:18 #42483

    The anomaly Chris is in only commenting on everything that you see as right in what Wenger does - and not in accepting or commenting on what he does wrong .What in your view has he done - or is doing wrong?

  4. Chris

    Dec 05, 2013, 12:43 #42479

    Jeff - I'm not following you regarding where the anomaly is in what I've said? As I've said in my previous post, you've stated that far from being in part responsible for the current prospect of success, Wenger is in fact the main impediment to it. That is doing precisely what I've alluded to. As for the football - you're perfectly, entitled to your opinion but I find it very enjoyable to watch. Even last night, not a classic performance but very enjoyable - not just for me but also for the two 'neutrals' that were amongst those I went to the game with.

  5. jeff wright

    Dec 05, 2013, 12:22 #42472

    Chris there is an anomaly in your comments because you are applying one set of rules for those who are happy with everything that Wenger does and another for those who are not. I've never suggested, and apart from the spuds wind-ups who come on here , I have never seen anyone else suggest either that Wenger never does anything right. My view of him is that he has contributed more to the game in this country than Ferguson did. I was disappointed though when he became pals with that cretin and preferred it when the jock hated him and us. I'm also certain that Mourinho doesn't see Arsene as being his main rival either . It's up to Wenger to prove him wrong when the medals are handed out. The football is not that great to watch as some claim either,it's made to look better by some good goals but there are long periods in many games when it all becomes rather tedious. A bit like mutton dressed up as lamb really. I would rather Wenger left this sort of football to Barcelona and got back to having the sort of sides that he won trophies with in the past un like with the small players technical ones that we have had for donkeys years . He's knocking-on a bit now though and it's probably never going to happen.

  6. Chris

    Dec 05, 2013, 11:05 #42466

    Jeff - criticism is absolutely fine, I haven't objected to that in the slightest. What grates is the refusal of an admittedly dwindling minority to apportion any credit to the manager for what goes (is going) right whilst automatically giving him the full blame for anything that goes wrong. Doesn't seem very balanced or constructive to me to suggest that far from being in part responsible for the good position we find ourselves in, the manager is in fact the biggest impediment to any prospects of success. I certainly don't disagree with much of your last post either - no ones getting carried away thinking that we're even necessarily still going to be top by the New year, even as far as I know.

  7. jeff wright

    Dec 05, 2013, 10:44 #42464

    Chris if my wanting us to beat United ,Chelsea and City and not getting carried away with beating sides like Cardiff and Hull makes me come over as being a clown then I'm off to apply for a job at the Chinese State Circus. Tbh I find there is a touch of the old Chairman Mao's about yourself and the rest of AKB gang where any criticism of our great leader is treated by you as being treason. It's a results game every manager throughout history has been judged by that criteria - I'm not saying that Wenger can't win the Prem or the other two trophies that we are in with a chance of - however he's already lost at home to a Chelsea second string side in the League Cup - you could sense the despair when we drew Mourinho among our supporters and none more so than with the AKB - who were trotting out excuses as soon as the draw was made. So if you don't mind Chris I will remain a little cautious while you are celebrating beating teams that we all know before the game is played that we will beat. All the league results have been predictable so far - including unfortunately the away one to United. It's looking a bit trickier now though regarding the three upcoming games . The pressure will be back on us come Sunday afternoon v Everton - if Chelsea have closed the gap on us to a point . We have home advantage though and Everton looked a bit fortunate to win at United last night.

  8. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Dec 05, 2013, 9:28 #42457

    How does he know that Augustus Ceasar has a curvaceous bottom? Defoe is an excellent striker and if they don't want or appreciate him well........ Apropos of last night, Bendtner has a goal under his belt. If we can persuade him to get a haircut, then who knows what might happen. Has anyone checked George Graham for heart attack as I assume he clearly has to watch that haircut when Bendtner comes on.

  9. Green Hut

    Dec 05, 2013, 8:27 #42456

    Chris- And again, amazing, think you'll need to ask Santa for a new spade mate. Just because some of us refuse to become members of The Happy Losers Club on here.

  10. Chris

    Dec 05, 2013, 1:25 #42455

    Jeff & Green Hut - yeah,the fact that "sometimes you come across as such a clown" represents personal abuse when it comes from someone giving a more or less pro Wenger point of view say sit all really, when compared when with what is given from the opposing point of view (esp, for instance, last season). Muppets. And in Green huts case at least, pitifully hypocritical muppets.

  11. jeff wright

    Dec 04, 2013, 17:46 #42454

    Defoe would be a good buy for a different option - he's supposed to have been a Arsenal supporter when he was a kid . Anyway if he can score goals in that laboured spuds side then he must be able to pop a few in for us. He's had similar accusations though regarding his work ethic made against that him Berba has had. I reckon that results may play a part in Wenger's plans regarding signing anyone - the good run of results - and that cunning swine Ivan's comments about having the money to pay top wages - has now left Wenger with no 4th place is a trophy excuses . Many supporters are now thinking that there must be more to life than this.

  12. Ron

    Dec 04, 2013, 17:20 #42453

    Jeff - Ha. I know mate. Tobe honest i dont think anybodys coming in. Its the Pod and Wally whove got to step up i reckon. Im not sure either can though. Both wafer delicate, though the pod can at least shoot when hes a mind too. He cant carry an attach though. Hes one of them thats not much use as a wide player but isnt up to the task of a CF. Walcott wont ever carry an attack but is useful off the bench. I would still try for Defoe to be honest. I wdt want to see Berbatov in an Arsenal shirt. His style and attitude is like a sophisticated Bendtner, the only difference being the Berb at least has a few nuggets in his locker, whereas Bendtners lockers totally empty. Its a bit of a disgrace that its been allowed to come to this.

  13. jeff wright

    Dec 04, 2013, 17:09 #42452

    The Serbian obviously comes carrying baggage with Ron,and I was nott a big admirer of his work rate in the past,but there is not a lot of experienced Prem strikers available . Wenger is said to be a big fan of Benzema I don't rate him and Giroud is now France's first choice . Also those two are very similar and a different sort of option is needed in games when plan A isn't working. There is no point in replacing Bill with Ben at Wenger's magic 69 minutes substitution time.

  14. jeff wright

    Dec 04, 2013, 16:32 #42451

    Berbatov can't be happy at Fulham Gaz, so there must be chance that he can be signed by Wenger if the right offer is made . Berba must be a better option than Bendtner . He might do better at Fulham after all hew was going to sign for Palace he would have to fight it out now with Chamakh for a starting place. It's a funny old game.

  15. Ron

    Dec 04, 2013, 16:32 #42450

    Gaz -Berbatov is far to sulky. Hes a player whos had far to high an opinion of his own true value to a team in my view. Fergie sussed him out but at great cost. 'Dissapears' at the drop of a hat.

  16. Gaz

    Dec 04, 2013, 16:16 #42449

    If its true that Berbatov wants to leave Fulham in jan then quite honestly I can't think of a better signing for us than him as a short term fix. He wont be expensive and properly motivated can be quite brilliant. And if a title fight and possible later stges of the Champions League aren't enough motivation then I don't know what is...

  17. jeff wright

    Dec 04, 2013, 15:14 #42448

    Everton look better now Ron than they did under Moyes - home advantage should give us the spoils though . Yes a a tough list of fixtures this month tbh I think that the fixture list has been kind to us this season .

  18. Rip Roar

    Dec 04, 2013, 14:56 #42447

    Come on you rip roaring reds

  19. The moaner

    Dec 04, 2013, 13:43 #42445

    It's not good enough and never will be.

  20. jeff wright

    Dec 04, 2013, 13:38 #42444

    James thanks for the unsolicited advice - I have no idea though what the white dust that you refer to .

  21. Ron

    Dec 04, 2013, 13:10 #42443

    Jeff - Yes. Dec and Jan are the defining months for us i feel. It was clear the moment the fixures came out in July really wasnt it. Everton wont be easy. Damn good side now.

  22. James

    Dec 04, 2013, 12:52 #42441

    Jeff Wright and Finsbury Joe,please wipe away that white dust from underneath your noses.

  23. The Pointer

    Dec 04, 2013, 12:40 #42440

    I like to celebrate by rolling my programme up very tightly and pointing

  24. Green Hut

    Dec 04, 2013, 12:18 #42439

    Chris- You just can't help yourself, can you?

  25. Andy Nye

    Dec 04, 2013, 12:17 #42438

    During times of victory in the merry month of May, I choose to ignore the media and settle back with a nice glass of champagne and get a good roast on the go. If it's a double we're celebrating, I'll sometimes stretch it to 12 roast potatoes.

  26. Jeff wright

    Dec 04, 2013, 12:15 #42437

    I was making that point regarding artistic merit and pragmatism yesterday Ron regarding Arsene's view that Jack's goal v Norwich was the best that he has seen at Arsenal. I have enjoyed a fair few others more during his time,let alone prior to that. I would put that opportunist one by Ramsey away to Dortmund as being the best goal so far this season - because it meant more than Jack's MOTD in a game we were always expected to win. As you say though we will have more idea where we are heading after the City game. With Chelsea to follow it would be nice if we can get a result at Poundland - we don't want to have to endure the sight of another ex-player that Wenger sold to a rival celebrating beating us in Mancland.

  27. Ron

    Dec 04, 2013, 11:44 #42435

    Hi Jeff - Therein lies the issue that we have. AW has placed aesthetics and philosophy to the forefront of his agenda for so long and in my view, whilst nice football is great when it can be played, its exacty this approach that has become his master rather than his slave and it's undermined us for so long as a result. In English football particularly, pragmatism is just as vital as the finer aspects of the game. Detest them as we do, that preening ponce at Chelsea and Fergie have never lost sight of this. Arsene is to be admired for being stubborn on the issue, but it has undone him so often. I think he s moved quite a bit though as things stand at least. The Man City game will tell a lot. We do need to put midfield discipline and defensive solidity as our main focus there rather than flair. It remains to be seen though. C mon Gunners!

  28. jeff wright

    Dec 04, 2013, 11:33 #42434

    I agree with your views Gus on us having a debate on if we can win the title is a agood thing - it certainly than beats having to fathom out why we lost at home to WHU after spending £100M. I'm not that bothered though about how we win games, providing that we are not diving and cheating as some sides do, in the end it's a results game - if people want to watch a sport where you get points for artistic interpretation then they should be watching ice-skating.

  29. Gus Caesar's Curvaceous Bottom

    Dec 04, 2013, 11:17 #42433

    I for one don't really care if the media choose to put a negative spin on any such title triumph, we all know they have their own agendas - Even Ferguson after the 2004 unbeaten season criticised us for drawing too many games, someone one somewhere will always find an angle, for me as long as it says 'Champions - Arsenal' in the history books, that's all that really matters. Of course there are scenarios that make things all the sweeter, beating our rivals, clinching it at a rivals ground (yet again....) etc etc but these are nice to haves given our recent barren run. To be honest its good to even be having the debate, I doubt many of us thought we we would be in August.

  30. jeff wright

    Dec 04, 2013, 10:45 #42432

    Chris the fact that you are having to resort to personal abuse rather negates your point . Wenger did indeed put together sides that won the league in the past,that was along time ago though. If he wins it this season, or anything else come to that,then I will apologise to him . On here for my lack of faith in him. You on the other hand will slink away or reappear using another name but posting the same old ostrich head in the sand tripe.

  31. Chris

    Dec 04, 2013, 10:06 #42431

    @ Jeff Wright - "one of the problems we have in winning the league is actually Wenger himself." Yeah that's right Jeff - Wenger had nothing to do with putting together the team that's currently top of the table, playing in fine style. Oh no, he's just a fly in the ointment that intervenes to foul things up when we are within touching distance of winning something. Sometimes, Jeff, you come across as such a clown that only Finsbury Joe can take you seriously!

  32. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 04, 2013, 0:16 #42429

    Well said Jeff Wright

  33. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 03, 2013, 23:18 #42428

    jeff wright, Wenger might not have liked the way we won the 05 final, and i wasn't there myself but i'll tell you this mate the look on old red noses face on the TV as Arsene and the team celebrated at the final whistle was absolutely priceless.

  34. Rocky RIP

    Dec 03, 2013, 23:11 #42427

    @maguiresbridge gooner - very true. If we win in a near faultless fashion, they just p*** on our parade somehow and find a way to detract from any achievements. One season after lifting a trophy in glorious fashion we were greeted with headlines the next day about Vieira leaving that Summer (which he didn't, but they highlighted the negative part of having prized assets rather than let us bask in the glory.)

  35. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 03, 2013, 20:18 #42425

    Ron, Gus caeser, i hear what your saying, but you know what guys? no matter what way it's won the media and the p****s in the studios will find fault, and some way to play it down.

  36. jeff wright

    Dec 03, 2013, 19:00 #42424

    For me leaving aside whether or not Wenger signs any new players next month one of the problems we have in winning the league is actually Wenger himself. He's made some bad calls over recent seasons and consistently come up short when destiny called - and according to some sources his last trophy was won down to players like Vieria demanding a change of tactics in the 2005 FAC final v United -Wenger himself said afterwards that he didnt like winning like we did - most supporters though would take a win over United however it was done. The change from the high-line defeding gung-ho tactics in that final was due to the disaster in the league game at Highbury when Ferguson's gang put 4 past us. We did have safe-hands Almunia in goal that night though and who was that down to? I can't see any of the current players that we have advising Wenger to change tactics for certain games - and I suspect a change away to City will be required their players may take the chances that the lower clubs miss . So I remain pessimistic that Wenger can turn back time and win a trophy against the other top managers down to his less flexible ways regarding his tactics that are always predictable . Of course knowing this doesn't always help sides that are not good enough to use it to their advantage - the problem comes when we play the better sides and that is why Wenger's record against them is so poor these days. Just 2 points last season off the top three sides and already 3 dropped against United this season tells the story. These results are not down to bad luck.

  37. BADARSE

    Dec 03, 2013, 17:25 #42422

    Gus Caesers c bottom, I agree buddy. I think Ron is pre-empting the gibberish that the moronic media clowns may spew in the event that things worked out that way. If/when we win the title again(that is a powerful statement that many cannot make), those with a secret agenda and a public voice will choose anything available to hurl at us should we be successful. It is a prerequisite in being an Arsenal supporter to stand against this propagandist nonsense, wherever and whenever it is offered. A top of the lot finish means just that, top of the lot! It would be nice though to turn those money clubs over along the way. Ozil! I have spent ages coaching my grandson on his passing, using Bergy as my illustrative guide. The young chap understands accuracy is vital but the required weight determines a good, bad or indifferent pass. Bergy played what I call, 'carpet slipper' passes. Deft and delicate. Ozil has a similar ability. His pass to Flaminal was just asking to be smashed into the net. The pass met every requirement. He is a joy to behold and contributes in so many unnoticed ways. We are in with a shout this season, enjoy the roller coaster fellas.

  38. Ron

    Dec 03, 2013, 17:04 #42421

    Gus - Fair comments too mate. Its a matter of preference for me. I d feel better if we win a share of the bigger games. It leaves them in no doubt, theyre 2nd 3rd etc for a good reason and in Chelsea s case it leaves their fans in no doubts. Im sick to death of them holding up that matter of AW never having beaten that preening portuguese pr--k.

  39. jjetplane

    Dec 03, 2013, 16:53 #42420

    Bang on Ron. There really is something going on and its in the slowly whirling Dervish that is Ozil. Think I may have had him down as plain lazy once but now I see someone who effortlessly does things like that pass to the sleeveless one. Pires had that run and Ozil has those eyes and he is the influence on the pitch for JW and AR. Both players are finding their footballing personalities and they seem to have that time on the ball that DB used to to carve out for himself. Something is happening and it is infectious. Lead me on I am but a sinner ha ha ....

  40. Gus Caesars Curvaceous Bottom

    Dec 03, 2013, 16:34 #42419

    No title triumph is ever 'tainted' If a team finishes at the top of the league after a 38 game season, whether they have beaten their nearest challengers or not, makes them deserved Champions and the best team, it's that simple. Of course ideally the nearest challengers get beaten too, simply because it puts them further behind us, but if the season ends with us having more points, we were better. I don't see how it would represent any 'rich / poor' divide either. Assuming we won the league despite not beating the likes of city, Man united or chelsea, one would assume they would have had some fairly poor results against lesser / poorer teams, meaning the divide had miraculously been bridged for those particular games (Cardiff beating City, West Brom winning at Man United for example) and is in no way an indication of a weaker league, merely that the Champions were more consistent, which is kind of the point. It's all semantics anyway, I'd take a title win in any shape or form, and be equally delighted.

  41. Rocky RIP

    Dec 03, 2013, 16:10 #42418

    Ossie's dream - 'If you take away all Arsenal's titles won in the 30's and ignore the titles won from George Graham onwards your only one ahead of us so I wouldn't get too smug'- NO! If we just take the titles you've missed from the eras we are allowed by your rules - 1948, 1953 and 1971 - we are STILL ahead of you. Joker! How about the ones we clinched at your place v your ones clinched at your place? Still ahead of you.

  42. Ron

    Dec 03, 2013, 15:50 #42417

    JJ - Ha. Its a very guarded belief mate, but hey, its nice to see the team oozing a bit of positivity for the 1st time for what seems like years isnt it. Im not of the view they can win the title this time though. City are a flaky Club, they always have been havent they, but i think theyll prevail come May.

  43. jjetplane

    Dec 03, 2013, 15:09 #42416

    Watch those spudistas! they're reeling some of you blokies in! We are really only upset with em when they are chests out for a week or two and we sorta go 'there you are ...' As they have run to default of mischief mid-tablers, lets welcome them on board! Now watch em vanish! Ron - you are daring to believe and have crossed the line as have many others of us. Still think it will be mega to outpoint Citeh and the chavs but there is a Poetry at the moment 'the Jack/Ozil/Ramsay show' that is moving into another realm where the 'speedy duck' (cheers Ron!) is looking over them. Oh our dreamy days .....

  44. Bard

    Dec 03, 2013, 13:57 #42415

    CG et all the debate comes full circle, whether we have a chance of winning anything depends on who Wenger buys in the window and it's anyone's guess how that pans out.

  45. CanadaGooner

    Dec 03, 2013, 13:13 #42414

    Ron - pedigree is what will let City down. They were banging the goals in couple of seasons ago as well, but it took till a final game of the season blunder by QPR (who heard that Bolton had been relegated and took their foot off the pedal - quite disgracefully) for Citeh to win their only premiership title in their mage-millions era. They wont win it this season. The title will be between Arsenal and Chelsea (unless Man Utd decide to join in laters on - but with Moyes at the helm, I dont see that happening)

  46. Ron

    Dec 03, 2013, 13:06 #42413

    CG - a draw at City would be a great result mate.Id take that. As you say they ll take some beating there. To be honest,i think City will pick it up away from home and win the title. Theyve by far the strongest attacking team and they simply have Toure, exactly the type of player we ve needed for years and still do. Its not hard to predict. I think we ll beat Chelsea over Xmas. Theyre nothing special.

  47. CanadaGooner

    Dec 03, 2013, 13:00 #42412

    @ Ron & jeff - I dont see us beating City at home. Hopefully we can get a draw (which is exactly what we should have got an Man Utd as well). But then, I didnt see us beating Liverpool at the Emirates (thought we would get a draw at best)...

  48. jeff wright

    Dec 03, 2013, 12:48 #42411

    Canada, City have only dropped points away it's not impossible that they could improve a bit on that . Their home form is the best in the league,so a big game coming up soon for us against them. If we can give their home form a knock then it would be a big result for us and give other sides a hope that they can get something from Poundland when they drop in there. Chelsea with MoUrinho ,shame that that oaf AVB is still not with them, are always a big problem for Wenger,he's still yet to win a game against the self named special one,again a win in our Xmas time game over the blues would be a big boost and the 6 points from the City and Chelsea game would make us favourites to win the Prem. Looking at the fixtures it appears that a draw in both games would not be a great result with both sides having winnable games in the ones they play when we are facing one of them. Chelsea play Palace at the bridge when we meet City away. While Nasri and co are at Fulham when we play Chelsea. We need at least 4 points from those games Against City and Chelsea. Plus a win over Everton at home if we want to stay top of the league over Xmas.

  49. Ron

    Dec 03, 2013, 12:20 #42410

    CG - Thats a fair comment mate, but as you well know if Man U win a title like that its glorious glory glory Man Utd and manure media arse licking, wall to wall 24/7. If we did it, we re 'lucky' or 'we failed the big tests' or it was a 'weak league' or ' they wont do it when the top clubs are all on song' or whatever other garbage they choose to trot out. No , we need to pummel the big teams at least some of the time. I might add also that our fans need convincing we can do it as well. Im not convinced at all. Man City will be looking to gore us to death on the 14th. We need a result there for starters to lay a real marker down. We are contenders as you say, but qualified ones as yet in my view.

  50. CanadaGooner

    Dec 03, 2013, 12:11 #42409

    Ron, after 8 years of winning nothing, let's win this one whichever way, and worry about winning an untainted title next season.

  51. Ron

    Dec 03, 2013, 12:08 #42408

    CG and Jeff - Both valid points. The trouble with winning a title when you dont beat the top cliubs is that you have a title win thats tainted. Man U did it a year or two back. Appalling record in big games but hammered all the lesser teams out of sight. Beating the top Clubs in the big games shows that the team that wins the title is rightly the Champion Club with no arguments. We need to win big games. The Club needs it, the fans need it and its been too long that we ve failed to beat the top Clubs consistently. I dont mean the spuds and Liverpool. Theyre not the top Clubs. City Utd and Chelsea need beating, as much to defalte them as anything else. Its a cop out to win a title by just beating lesser Clubs. Yes, youre still the Champs but it just shows that its been won as a reflection of the weakening standard of football and the endemic rich v poor divide rather than being a total declaration by one Club that the best team wins it.

  52. CanadaGooner

    Dec 03, 2013, 11:59 #42407

    @ jeff wright; if those road sweepers continue to take points off citeh, chelski and the other contenders as they have done so far (which is why we're 4 points clear at the top), we will. This is an unsual season on the back of new managers at Utd, Chelsea and City; so, yes, beating the smaller teams and losing at the big ones could be enough to win the league

  53. jeff wright

    Dec 03, 2013, 11:37 #42406

    I'm not saying that we can't win the league Canada,but that we will have to improver our record against the top sides to do so. We won't win the league by just beating teams of road sweepers.

  54. CanadaGooner

    Dec 03, 2013, 11:15 #42405

    @ Jeff Wright - in summary, you're saying we wont win the league this season. I cant say I disagree; but as I've said so far this year, my quarrel is with those who say Arsenal isnt a title contender this season. That I disagree with. Right from Ozil's arrival (with the buzz that was generated), it was obvious we would have a better chance this year than in recent years, and that's proved to be the case so far. Early days, YES. But after 13 games, Arsenal ARE title contenders, and it's a huge change for us fans, from the usual doom & gloom of November, when we are usually already only fighting for top 4.

  55. jeff wright

    Dec 03, 2013, 10:59 #42404

    On celebrating goals Canada , Arsene's opinion that Jack's one v Norwich was the greatest that he had ever seen at Arsenal shows that an aesthetic view on this, rather than a pragmatic one , governs his views on this . Wenger waited 16 years for that goal to be scored . The real great goals though win trophies- you want to see them in cup finals or a league title decider ,not against Norwich in a game that we were odds on to win anyway. These goals are the goal of the season awards voted for by MOTD viewers who win a pair of tickets to watch West Ham and Fulham. Regarding points won or lost against fellow top 4 rivals ,the 16 we dropped against them last term was exactly the number of points that finished behind United . This shows how hard it is to actually win the league . Unfortunately we have already dropped 5 points against non-top 4 sides and it's unlikely that we will not drop more before the season ends against lower opponents.

  56. Ron

    Dec 03, 2013, 10:56 #42403

    Morning BADARSE - In truth im of the opion that the fans arent ever that far apart really. Yes the 'shd we carry on with Arsene' or not debate tends to rage a bit at times on here, but its underpinned i always think by his biggest detractors preffering him to stay and succeed if possible. Those of us who feel his mojo isnt what it was remain of that opinion, but a few wins does place it on the back burner, bacause ideally most people do like and respect the guy as is only right. The fact is that Arsene is at the scragg end of his time now as Coach and theres a recognition of that too, so its always a muted debate over him really isnt it? My view remains the same anyway in that i feel change is needed but has to be backed by a sea change of approach at board room level if change is meaningful. Having said that, nobody will be happier than Arsenes detractors if he proves us all wrong this season. Ill be the first to trough my share of humble pie, as it washed down with champagne!!

  57. Ossie's Dream

    Dec 03, 2013, 10:38 #42402

    A couple of big name signings in January and with AVB eventually getting us to play the Spurs way and we're back challenging for the title.

  58. Ron

    Dec 03, 2013, 10:36 #42401

    CG - I always feel that to judge a Clubs relevance in the game generally, its best to speak to people well away from the area in which the Club is located and gauge their perceptions. When its done in context of the spuds, the response youll always get is one of indifference. There s a recognition that their a 'neither here nor there, neither large nor small' Club and lastly, while theyve (mainly their fans not so much the Club) always been to my knowledge universally disliked by nearly all of the other London Clubs fans, they seem neither liked nor disliked in other regions. In other words, theyre considered somewhat irrelevant which is smack on.

  59. CanadaGooner

    Dec 03, 2013, 10:23 #42400

    @ Ossie's Dream - matey, there are 20 year old Arsenal fans out there, who have been going to the games since they were 3 or 4 years old (like my neighbour's soon), who have NEVER in their lifetime, seen Tottenham finish ahead of Arsenal in the league. That says it all. It's a dead debate. Tottenham have spent £100M+ this season, and will still fail to finish in the top 4 [what does top 4 mean anyway?]. You have a manager who should really be your 'ball boy', losing Rednapp set the club back a good few years, and Gareth Bale has now scored more goals for Real Madrid this season, than the entire Tottenham team!

  60. BADARSE

    Dec 03, 2013, 8:07 #42399

    Peter Hughes those were very interesting statistics, thanks. On the subject of fans on this website coming together I can but agree. So this is to everyone. I was amazed when I first encountered the discord. I consciously set out to try to make bridges when I began posting in May. With Arsenal winning it has oiled the wheels and we are slowly feeling our way. It gives me immense pleasure as I naturally prefer positive productivity. I witnessed two individuals going at each other and each being so sharp and knowledgeable. It was a shame. A shame because the remit was too narrow, manager stay/go. I know my football, yet in six months I have learned so much and been impressed by so many. The older Guns are very impressive naturally, but the young Guns are full of information, and I am learning from them all the time. Thanks to all.

  61. Chris

    Dec 03, 2013, 8:04 #42398

    Ossie's Dream - Realise your posts are probably supposed to be comedic but just in case... Number of London derbies Spurs play this season - 10. Number of games Spurs pay against 'Northern teams' this season - 14. Chances of Spurs going unbeaten until the end of the season - zero. Chances of them finishing above Arsenal - even smaller. Chances of them finishing in top 4 - not much better.

  62. CanadaGooner

    Dec 03, 2013, 7:55 #42397

    @ Jeff Wright - last season we wouldnt have beaten Caridiff away. You only get to play each of citeh and chelsea twice (and they also have to play eachother), so, YES, provided we carry on beating the smaller teams we'll be just fine. The only problem, in my humble opinion, is that every time we lose to chelsea or citeh or utd, the team then have to re-group rather quickly, before the press & pundits start getting on their backs; because football today is all about the psychology of twitter and the rest of the social network etc. I like it when footballers and managers say they're not affected by what's being said (or that they dont read any of those items), but they seem to know all bout it, and when a player scores a landmark goal (be it his 50th or 100th), there's a special celebration on the pitch, quickly followed by the "oh, was that my 50th? I didnt know; just happy that the team got 3 points" post-match comment to the press. There's not a shred of honestly left in football; all goverened by the 'jeff shreeves' of this world, with their often idiotic lines of questioning and 'demi-god like' attitudes!

  63. Chris

    Dec 03, 2013, 7:43 #42396

    Ossie's Dream - Yeah, and of you take out the 13 titles they won under Ferguson and the three they won in the 50's, Man Utd are only two ahead of your shower. They must be quaking in their boots!

  64. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Dec 03, 2013, 6:00 #42395

    Ossie's Dream, your arguments are as stable as David Howell's jaw. As for the best striker to suit our system, the obvious choice has to be Lukaku. Of course, Mourinho would never sell to a title rival unless he was buying from said rival at the same time (e.g. Cole - Gallas), but I don't expect Mourinho to last longer than three years on the merry go round with the King's Road Oilers, so we'd have to play the waiting game, a wait that would surely be worth it. Swapping Giroud for Lukaku in three years or so would equate roughly to swapping Alan Smith for Didier Drogba, no? Minus the diving and histrionics as it appears that Mr. Lukaku is more humble, grounded and self - aware than the talented but highly strung and highly irritating Mr. Drogba could ever hope to be.

  65. Ossie's Dream

    Dec 02, 2013, 22:44 #42394

    Ron, If you take away all Arsenal's titles won in the 30's and ignore the titles won from George Graham onwards your only one ahead of us so I wouldn't get too smug.

  66. Peter Hughes

    Dec 02, 2013, 22:20 #42393

    Anyone not realising how good things are looking at the moment a few stats. Only twice have we been on more points after 13 games during AW's tenure. In 2007/8 & 2003/4 we had 33 points. During Premiership winning seasons 1997/8 & 2001/2 we had 24 & 23 points respectively. Whilst there is a very long way to go it does put into perspective how good things are & how well the team are playing. I am noticing on this forum how after each result all supporters are coming closer in opinions then for a very long time.That can only be good for the team on matchdays.No way am I even thinking of winning the league at this stage. The nerves doubts & tension all part of the season but welcome all the same after not really competing since 2007/8.

  67. Ron

    Dec 02, 2013, 22:01 #42392

    Ossie's dream and Finsbury Joe - Do you two gimps realise how moronic your posts look? I know the spuds fans arent readily recognised as being amongst the brightest knives in the drawer but really ....... ugh! FB - you follow a funny little club, who play in not much more than a little tin hut in an area that's needed bulldozing for decades or at best re located in a shanty town, thats won nothing of note for over 50 years. Why are you here? OS - everybody knows the spuds more or less have a contract to lie down and take it up the rear from the larger clubs north of the M25 plus as you say, usually bottle it in London derby's. You've been doing it for 53 years. Youve missed another fact though too. You generally take it royally from all of the midlands Clubs as well! It doesn't leave much for the spuds to get its chicken crowing. In fact on that very point, that daft chicken logo of yours is as apt as ever a logo could be for a Club. You should drop the Hotspur bit with its connotations of bravery and valour and just change your name to the Tottenham Chickens and at least have a name that matches your historic traits and your stadium. For heavens sake, the two of you fools, just clear off.

  68. Ossie's Dream

    Dec 02, 2013, 19:30 #42391

    If we can go on an unbeaten run till the end of the season I can see us getting top four, even finishing above you Goons. Spurs are always crap against the Northern teams and we always struggle in London derbies so don't write us off just yet.

  69. jeff wright

    Dec 02, 2013, 18:22 #42390

    Your comments are a bit rich Joe - considering the usual pre-season euphoria at the lane has already evaporated like a mirage of an oasis in the desert before men dying of thirst. Once again the cockerel has crowed for another false dawn.

  70. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 02, 2013, 17:52 #42389

    No, OG will not be going back in for Suarez, if we're not going to run with what we've got it'll be a french lique 2 player to help keep the economy afloat. But as BADARSE says if he gives us all 20,000 volts 50m would go a long way to doing something about the limited squad the gormless oaf (copyright Ron)says he has.

  71. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 02, 2013, 17:22 #42388

    Must admit I never thought I would see the day Gooners got so excited by beating a few teams, the majority of which were not even in the top tier three or four years ago. Yes a couple flukey one nils against decent teams, and a game whereby Suarez got too greedy but as soon as this team face the big boys, only one outcome. Wait until fixtures have been completed twice against Chelsea and City, also Liverpool, Everton and Spurs away before you get too excited. I am sure the older and wiser on here all know this will end in tears, with Wenger post 2005 it always does.

  72. jeff wright

    Dec 02, 2013, 17:00 #42387

    Canada ,that scenario you paint of us winning the title without taking points off the other top 4 place contenders is rather flawed , if only ! It is a top four contest these days , and not a two horse race title one , like it was a few years back when for his first 8 seasons Wenger only had United to take on. Last season we only managed to take 2 points from a possible 18 against City,Chelsea and United ,that was exactly the number of points that we finished in 4th spot behind the title winners United. There is the double whammy of beating your top 4 opponents of not only winning 3 points but also of depriving them of 3 points. Wenger has actually never won the league after losing at United,so history is against him already, but records are there to be broken .

  73. AugustusCaesar

    Dec 02, 2013, 16:31 #42386

    I think we need a new striker in January. GoonerRon and I have discussed this on quite a few occasions and while he's not convinced we do, I genuinely fear that we could be derailed if Giroud was to get injured. Could Podolski, Walcott or Bentdner adequately fill his shoes? Because of the way we play (i.e. with a central striker regularly collecting the ball with his back to goal) it's really important we have a player who can protect the ball. I'd argue none of those players are great at this. I also think our centre forward needs to have the ability to run his arse off for 90 minutes because he's always going to be slightly naturally isolated. Do the three players mentioned do that? I'm not convinced. As a team we are also playing more safety first balls out from the back and therefore need a striker to outmuscle a defender and get his head on the ball. Do the afforementioned do this? Save Bendtner on a good day, I don't think so. We do not necessarily have to sign a game changer like Suarez (although I wouldn't be averse to this) but someone who can do the job of a modern day centre forward. Head, control the ball, work hard, be able to finish. Can we get Alan Smith to dust his boots off do you think??

  74. Bard

    Dec 02, 2013, 16:10 #42385

    What about Benteke. True he's not world class but he could be

  75. BADARSE

    Dec 02, 2013, 16:02 #42384

    Hi guys. Just to reiterate and endorse Ron's words, Arsenal will not buy Suarez! Yes I can be wrong but I doubt it very much. Today Rodgers in the Guardian was bleating about the limited squad size he has, he won't want to reduce even further, and his best asset too? No! It is a tricky time to find a man to improve our squad in January. We can hope an iron is in the fire but it is that, just hope. Patience lads, let's see what occurs.

  76. Ron

    Dec 02, 2013, 15:52 #42383

    CG - Right with you on Benzema mate. Hes seems a glorifed Giroud to me (i do like Giroud though - hes very honest) who would be the same but at a very tasty price with money spent on better as the best option, perhaps not much better actually. Hes French though so Wenger will be and always has been beguiled by him (as with Mr Sanogo)Im pretty convinced its a 'Bendtner or bust' policy for us unless something falls into Wengers lap.

  77. CanadaGooner

    Dec 02, 2013, 15:44 #42382

    @ Ron - I agree Ron, it's academic (given Liverpool's current plight, and Sturridges' absence, they wont part with Suarez for £60m at this point, nevermind the £40m + £2 that arsenal will table as an IMPROVED offer in January! ha ha). The problem is, I dont see the likes of Benzema scoring that many goals, and the other half-decent strikers out there are CL-tied. So, Suarez would be good for most teams as he cam play in the CL, and one could only imagine what he'd do with all the knock downs that Giroud provides and the through passes from Ozil. But as you say, it wont happen; so, let's await a guy by the name of 'Sanogo the second' from the prolific Ligue 1 come January

  78. Ron

    Dec 02, 2013, 15:32 #42381

    GoonerD - Well, ive banged the drum for getting Defoe for ages. A lot think not, but he needs games re England chances etc, hes hungry and can score as hes used to the Prem, plus i reckon he d like to stick it up the spuds on the quiet so hes well motivated, seeing as that rabble of flops theyve bought cant score yet they still dont pick him. Be a good buy for a price that wouldnt matter if Arsenal had to sell him on at a loss next Summer. If they wanted to try a big player, Djeko, but maybe unnatainable (spelling)?

  79. Ron

    Dec 02, 2013, 15:21 #42380

    CG - Hi mate. Respect all that you say and can see your logic too. Its very sound. Hes a great player. No doubts there. Im not sure his inclusion would be the cert title clincher though. I cant see us even going back for him anyway so its acedemic really. We made an offer and they didnt want it. Arsenal dont do, 'please give us another chance'. They d sooner tell Liverpool (and that spouting gormless oaf Rodgers in particular) to do one. Ive a lot of empathy with Arsenal on that one mate. Suarez just gives me a bad feeling im afraid.

  80. GoonerD

    Dec 02, 2013, 15:18 #42379

    Ron - you're right. Can't imagine they would let him go or that someone as unhinged would be good for the club in the long run. Any suggestions on an alternative?

  81. CanadaGooner

    Dec 02, 2013, 15:09 #42378

    @ Ron - if we sign Suarez, we will be odds on to win the premiership this season. He is a dirty, diving, biting twit, but there are worse players around who score less goals. Yes, he doesnt fit in the squeaky-clean image Arsenal try to project, but the reality is, we need someone to assist Ramsey & others with regular, predictable goal-return, which is what Suarez brings. Like yourself, I have always been against us buying Suarez, but I would so like to win something this season, and the reality is; with Suarez, we should be able to win the premiership. With the current team, we may (but it is highly unlikely)

  82. Ron

    Dec 02, 2013, 14:52 #42377

    GoonerD - Good analogy. I agree. Your talking about Liverpool though. There hardly a Club to roll over for another Club, albeit theyre nowehere near what they were. I reckon he might be the signing from hell, if we were to buy him. He s a dirty diving faking cheat, hes less loyal than most of these mercenary footie players and he d bring Arsenal into disrepute just like hes done every Club he s soiled with his short arsed rotten presence.

  83. Ron

    Dec 02, 2013, 14:39 #42376

    UTU - Ramsey was starting to look every inch the player he is now before that Stoke cretin got to him. IP - Theres no chace Arsenal will even consider going back for Suarez now and theres no way Liverpool would sell him either before the Summer. Anyway, he wants to go to Real M and in my view should be left well alone. He d only be humping RM leg while he wore an Arsenal shirt, just like hes doing at Liverpool. He s a sh--e and Arsenal are best advised to let him be a sh--e in Spain.

  84. GoonerD

    Dec 02, 2013, 14:30 #42375

    Arsenal currently resemble a handsome tiger with sharp claws, terrifying strength, great pace and granddad's false teeth. The lack of predatory menace was exposed by Man U recently, and it's the one area where our main competitors are ahead of us. FAO: AW - get some Uruguayan teeth fitted to the beast. There is a set going for circa £50 million in the frozen north.

  85. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 02, 2013, 14:21 #42374

    Dave, I don't know why you feel like a plonker mate, we're on a good run yes but we've been here before, we've won nothing yet.

  86. CanadaGooner

    Dec 02, 2013, 14:19 #42373

    We're nearing the business end of the season; with 'credible' chasers (Chelsea and Citeh) now behind us, as opposed to time-wasters like Liverpool, who were always only going to finish between 5th - 8th. The dour BBC match of the day crew (with the exception of Gary Lineker who has always thought Arsenal had a chance this season) are still telling anyone who cares to listen, that Arsenal have to beat Chelsea or City, to be seen as title contenders: such logic simple baffles me. If we carry on beating Hull, Soton and others, we do not have to beat Chelsea or Citeh to win the league. It would be good to at least beat them at home, but I wont lose any sleep if we drew. Ramsey continues to impress, and the simple answer to the question is: YES, with 13 games played, Arsenal are genuine title contenders. Will we win the title? No guarantees, and I hope we do. But to say we're not yet credible contenders, is a nonsense

  87. Dave

    Dec 02, 2013, 14:03 #42372

    I gave up my season ticket and now I feel like a right plonker. To make matters worse my dad and brother still go and are always ribbing me about being a plastic and glory hunter. I've put my name on the waiting list again and was told it could be seven years.

  88. jb

    Dec 02, 2013, 13:59 #42371

    If Liverpool keep dropping points Suarez will want out - we should break the bank to get him in January. What a statement that would be!

  89. UTU

    Dec 02, 2013, 13:10 #42370

    The Arsenal are doing the business. Ramsey looks like a different player never thought he had the ability that he has displayed constantly this season. The team as a whole are functioning. If Wenger get a couple more players to boost the squad we may well win the league. Happy days !

  90. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 02, 2013, 12:52 #42369

    badrad, spot on, the sight of the Cardiff owner a couple of weeks ago with his football shirt on over his shirt and tie grinning while sticking so close to fergie they could have been dirty dancing, just to be photographed with him was pathetic.

  91. Bard

    Dec 02, 2013, 12:44 #42368

    In many ways this will be the most testing of transfer windows for Wenger. Unless we completely fall apart and that looks unlikely, we will be there or thereabouts come the new year. As most on this site agree we need a player or two to really get in the mix come squeaky bum time. But my worry is that we've been here a few times, needing one or two players to push on and low and behold nothing happened and our challenge fizzled away. You also know it'll cost a tidy few bob to sign a decent striker and Wenger doesn't generally like spending big at all let alone in January. My view is that there will never be a better opportunity to win the pl as all the challengers are going through upheavals of one kind or another. Only City look remotely hard core. m

  92. jeff wright

    Dec 02, 2013, 12:15 #42367

    Merci for the sermon rev Jimmy,some of us though also want to see the season end well - and having a stronger squad will give us more chance of that occurring. It's hardly rocket-science to work that out.

  93. Jimmy

    Dec 02, 2013, 12:00 #42366

    All Gooners whatever your persuasion from the most fanatical AKB to the most pessimistic glory hunter who only supports the Gunners in sunny days, should be delighted with the start we've made.

  94. jeff wright

    Dec 02, 2013, 11:11 #42365

    Poldolski may have scored a lot of goals for Deutschland but he only managed to score two away for us last season - and struggled to get a starting place . He's a bit slow for the Prem and it loked like he was on his way to Seria A in the summer - his best asset is a that he strikes the ball well but his lack of pace and inability to track back and defend are liabilities. I can't see him playing a number of games in the centre-forward role if Giroud gets knackered or injured. Same with Theo - he's no centre forward either and is another injury prone player. This makes you wonder,well some of us do, why Arsene signed the French lower division striker Sanogo - another player who keeps the medical team busy - rather than the oppositions GK's - was not what we needed. Bendtner is just an embarrassment and he is not the sort that we want at Arsenal - and that is without taking account of his hefty first touch and massive ego that is bigger than his talent. I mentioned Berbatov as being a player that Wenger could buy and who would provide an alternative and back-up for Giroud . Wenger said that he was not aware that Berba was for sale when he was sold to Fulham - Arsene was probably too busy doing French TV work and looking at French players , however he did say that Berbatov was the type of player that he would be interested in signing. Of course he may have someone else in mind - or more likely he is waiting to see how our results go over Xmas - if they are good ones then Poldolski returning will be like signing a new player.

  95. declan burke

    Dec 02, 2013, 10:19 #42364

    Is the influence of Steve Bould now really showing ? Everyone is rightly raving about our midfield, but now that we have developed consistency and solidity at the back we are beginning to make a real statement. This team CAN win the title.

  96. Westlower

    Dec 02, 2013, 10:12 #42363

    The biggest obstacle on the horizon is the away game at Man City on Dec 14th. They play away to Bayern Munich on Dec 10th, while we are in Napoli on Dec 11th. Man City have an extra 24 hours recovery + home advantage but if we can get a result there, 'it's up for grabs now'. We can afford to lose this game as long as we don't lose to Chelsea on Dec 23rd. I know what's top of my Xmas list. Still expecting to enter the New Year in pole position & we have a relatively easy run of fixtures early in the New Year. The fixtures in mid March will decide our fate.

  97. James

    Dec 02, 2013, 10:02 #42362

    Should pull away from the pack further this week with what should be two wins I'm going for 5-0 against Hull and 3-1 against Everton. Can see Chelsea and City dropping more points with each having 2 away games this week. City away will be our toughest yet, though if we play there like we have in recent seasons I can see us giving them a football lesson as they will be terrified knowing an Arsenal win could kill their title ambitions also they will go head to head with us and try to beat us giving more space unlike Man U and Chelsea who always just defend against us.

  98. ppp

    Dec 02, 2013, 9:46 #42361

    @ couchman - Bid for Suarez - give the whingers whatever they need. Arsenal with Suarez equals league champions 2013/14 not a doubt in my mind. Arsenal without? a little doubt - a little bit a handbrake in my mind...

  99. mike

    Dec 02, 2013, 8:49 #42360

    great win - which world class strikers are realistcally available in January -oh yes that guy Padolski - he has hit a few for Germany before

  100. Tony Evans

    Dec 02, 2013, 8:35 #42359

    Still here, thanks, and no regrets about giving up my season ticket. Still get to a few games and enjoying them more then ever. Need a striker in January though.

  101. DW Thomas

    Dec 02, 2013, 5:05 #42358

    Ozil's assist to Flamini is the reason i love football and Arsenal in particular. It was pure class. His other to Ramsey's head was beauty too. A keeper that saves points we have not had for years. I agree with all, Wenger must buy or we will most likely fizzle. A striker of some class might be all that is needed. Has he learned? We must wait and see. Ramsey is amazing but don't forget Jack who has more skill and could be even better than Rambo. Wenger just can't burn these lads out. City and Chelsea have the squad depth. March 22 we play at Stamford bridge. Love to break Mourinho's record and then win the title!

  102. Black Hei

    Dec 02, 2013, 3:39 #42357

    Wenger is 100% not blind to the striker shortage. If he bothered to try get Suarez in the summer, it means that here is indeed a striker shortage. The only problem with the January window is getting your hands tied in the Summer. You either get someone decent in Jan or you try to get someone great in the Summer. It is something of a commitment as I can't see ourselves being Chelski classlessness (buying Ba in Jan and deserting him in the next season)

  103. Roy

    Dec 02, 2013, 0:23 #42356

    Lads, please please make our Xmas a good one. cant see anything other than 3 points against Hull , and If we can avoid defeat against Citeh and the Chavs, we must be right in there with a shout. the next 5 games are seminal to what we can achieve this season, and whilst I'm not counting any chickens, I've seen enough to be encouraged about.. Massive respect to Ramsey and his Welsh supporters, it just goes to show that on occasion your faith in human nature can be restored. Well done to all concerned and if we're still in touch in the new year, I may start to get excited. What the squad needs now is for us all to get behind them to come out of the other side of this potentially season defining period . Now is not the time for recriminations. Come on you Gooners !

  104. davey

    Dec 02, 2013, 0:04 #42355

    Suarez for Arsenal? A welcoming committee headed by Peter Storey perhaps? Would love to see him in red with white sleeves; however, he is the most un-Arsenal player imaginable.

  105. badrad

    Dec 01, 2013, 23:00 #42354

    To all ignorant rich people. If u want to change d colour of our shirts, or u want to give us silly animal names, grow up, stop playing with yourself and find someting more worthwhile to do with your I'll gotten gains

  106. badrad

    Dec 01, 2013, 22:44 #42353

    Spuds and manure equally bad, leavereallity pool not much better. Even mourinho doesn't tink his chelski squad can grind out enough results. Only city, if dey than concentrate their miniscule minds and start playing away from home, can give us a run

  107. Ron

    Dec 01, 2013, 21:27 #42352

    A very good day yesterday. Good to be back in Cardiff and win!The season starts now however, and this is the view ive taken since Oct. Check our games out to the start of the new year. Nothing won yet and we need a forward. Giroud halting yesterday was an eg of his limitations. Should have rammed it home as a top class striker would have done and then worried about offside. Poor judgement.

  108. jeff wright

    Dec 01, 2013, 21:18 #42351

    Westie,considering that City's manager is in-his first season and up against two old pro Prem managers in Arsene and Jose - plus the fact that City have yet to manage the same level of consistency away from Poundland that they enjoy there - 13/8 seems a bit short for the mercenaries chances of winning the Prem . The bookies are obviously looking at City's squad strength and assuming that this will carry them over the winning line in May. The title will be decided in my view by results between us and City,Chelsea, United out of the 4 sides I only rule out United winning it - I still think that they will get at least 4th spot though . Anyone taking 80-1 about the spuds winning the Prem must be mental !

  109. BADARSE

    Dec 01, 2013, 21:13 #42350

    westlower your odds are as expected and bear out my earlier statement of the polarisation at the top. We all know bookies are not mugs and like to hang onto their cash, hence the extreme odds you have listed. Their assessment is a reasonable one considering the situation.

  110. Westlower

    Dec 01, 2013, 20:59 #42349

    After this weekends games the PL betting is thus: Man C 13/8; AFC 11/4; Chelsea 7/2; Man U 12/1; Liverpool 14/1; Spurs 80/1. The bookies reckon it's becoming a 3 horse race. AFC are 1/6 to finish top 4; 2/5 to finish top 3; 5/6 to finish top 2. Match betting: AFC 1/14; Spurs 9/2. Still only one team in North London.

  111. BADARSE

    Dec 01, 2013, 20:28 #42348

    danny, a panel of ywo ex=Spuds and an ex-Liverpool man are not going to be too charitable to any Arsenal endeavours. Why that poor excuse for a Premier League manager Pulis was even calling Lineker 'mate'. Such a classless soul. Rightly or wrongly my footballing grandson is known teasingly as 'The Pass Master'. Self evident of an Arsenal family's influence. I would be bereft of any gratification if he suddenly decided to become a 'hoofer', as Pulis advocates the game should be played. If people had souls,(which they don't), the pundits' would be irrevocably ugly. Thank you Arsene.

  112. danny

    Dec 01, 2013, 20:14 #42347

    Nice to see motd cant spell wilsheres name right when highlighting him there too busy waiting to pounce on arsenals downfall

  113. BADARSE

    Dec 01, 2013, 20:10 #42346

    Many interesting postings in the wake of the results this weekend. Personally I think there is a stratifying as half expected, within the top group. Look over your shoulders Arsenal fans, the two clubs near us Chelsea and M.City look set to be our travelling companions from here to the end. Us three! Positional order can be anything but we have a good chance. January buying or not may dictate the eventual outcome. The main point I have to make is nowhere do I see anyone charging around yelling we are going to be champions. I see well structured assessments of positive and negative aspects from those posting. Balanced! I do think many mistake the joy and exuberance of a fan's reactions to a very good win and a seam of good form as a statement of triumph. It's no such thing. You, I, all of us, have a right to enjoy the journey as well as celebrate the arrival. Keep the faith.

  114. Jim

    Dec 01, 2013, 19:56 #42345

    Arsenal look the real deal this year.United look even more average than they normally look. Citeh are useless away from home. Chelsea look ordinary at times. Spuds look like they are returning to type ie mid-table dross. Victims are garbage the rest not worth a mention.

  115. James

    Dec 01, 2013, 19:39 #42344

    Those who gave up their season tickets must be the most ridiculous bone head glory hunters ever. Especially as Arsenal say they expect the waiting list to top the 50,000 mark for the start of next season.

  116. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 01, 2013, 19:33 #42343

    badrad, i doubt if anybody cares what way Flamini wears his shirt inside out, outside in, round his neck, on his head as a bandana whatever, but it's when he starts showing disrespect to not only the shirt which he did, but the club as well, and indeed his captain by cutting it up that is/was the problem.

  117. badrad

    Dec 01, 2013, 19:23 #42342

    by-d-by. seems to me dat Wenger offered £40,000,001 for Luis-bitesanytinghecan-Saurez and den paid £42,000,000 for Mr Ozil and not a single penny on anyone else. Seems to me dat our greatly increased financial firepower probably amounted to €50,000,000 and is unlikely to stretch to to a shiny new striker anytime soon, but we'll see

  118. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Dec 01, 2013, 19:21 #42341

    I think we should slow up on the "Thousand Year Reich syndrome" which is beginning to break out even amongst the saner members of the Arsene Kleine Bund. 1)We haven't won anything yet. 2) Your leader thinks that we can start a game like this without Flamini. We should only do so if we have to. 3) Does anyone remember what the game was like where we didn't play Giroud up front? Well, much as I like Bendtner, he hasn't exactly found his confidence again. Giroud is absolutely vital, because like Flamini, he enables our gnomes to attack, by giving the opposition other things to worry about. We need to plan for his downtime. On the POSITIVE side, 4) Our passing both defensive and offensive is getting better if anything. Speed AND accuracy 5) The enthusiasm generated by winning and by sound defensive strategy is exploding out of our players, after years of catastropic Bulls**t and non leadership. 6) Being top is generating absolute concentration on staying there. 7)What is happening is tremendously exciting, but ALL of us want it to grind on like an unstoppable force, and to do that we have to confront the truth of our position and plan for and prepare for the absence of vital players. Trust me, they will get injured. Other managers will take steps to crock them, and we will have to be ready. Let's see if OGL is up to getting purchasing right in January. I'm really hoping he is because the expression of joy on our long suffering players faces at there present position is absolutely priceless. Flanimal enjoyed his goal, didn't he!!!!!

  119. Couchman

    Dec 01, 2013, 19:15 #42340

    With Chelsea and Citeh keeping an easy pace with Arsenal, making another bid for Suarez in Jan makes a lot of sense. It is the only area where we really need strengthening/cover. It would be a big sign to our rivals that we mean business in the long run.

  120. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 01, 2013, 19:03 #42339

    Gare K, good post especially the point about our fans and their vile songs about a certain dutch man, maybe our so called excellent away fans have learned something from the home fans yesterday.

  121. jeff wright

    Dec 01, 2013, 18:50 #42338

    It looks like the results in the Prem are now starting to go to how they are expected to do . We beat Cardiff , Liverpool lose to Hull, spuds drop points again at home to United, City win and so do Chelsea. Cardiff and Southampton have done well and produced some early season 'shock results' but have had a reality check this weekend and no doubt there will be more to come before the party is over. I didn't see our game only the highlights on TV , but the goals were well taken and Chesney made another good-save to add to the others that he has made this season. I'm in the school of thought however that says we shouldn't rest on our laurels and smugly assume that everything is going great and if it ain't' broke then don't fix it . Wenger needs to buy a striker in January to help us keep up the good work . The battle for the Prem title and the Champions League has not begun yet. Wenger's often in the past allowed complacency to creep in and gambled on players staying fit and in-form . It's been pointed out on here that Wenger was top of the top managers , in a survey carried out by some obscure publication, for getting the best value out of money spent. This surely must relate to fiscal matters only and not take account of winning trophies . If you sell your best players every season for top-dollar and bank the cash then obviously you will do better regarding showing a profit than others who are buying top players and winning trophies . We have been told though that the signing of Ozil was a statement of intent - so lets hope that Arsene , despite what he said last week about not needing any new players was just joking - and that he doesn't revert to his previous parsimonious ways in January that has led him to 8 trophyless seasons - and a few near misses regarding finishing in the top four . This despite him having a financial advantage over the teams below us. Hull at home looks like a certain 3 points after that we have a sterner test of our title credentials with games against Everton at home City away then it gets a bit easier with Mourinho and crew dropping by for what Lampard described recently has a 'ding dong' that Chelsea were looking forward to. All the bells will be ringing though if Arsene can at last finally beat Jose after all of these years. It's long over due.

  122. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Dec 01, 2013, 18:45 #42337

    Organised, efficient, professional...and I'm not just talking about Mertesacker. Keep it up lads. By the way, if anyone wants to know how thoroughly bored Alan Sugar is with himself, read the second reply to this article.

  123. badrad

    Dec 01, 2013, 16:31 #42335

    The penny is beginging to drop with all d pundits. The question isn't can we win d league but can anyone stop us? Excellent perfomances all round but special shouts out to Sir Chesney, Mikel Arteta (who I thought had his best game yet for us) and, of course, a certain young welshman, who showed a certain turncoat dutchman, how to be a decent human being when you score against your old club. Incidently, as long as Matty Flamini keeps performing he can where his shirt as a tanktop as far as I'm concerned, and b4 you start screaming 'bout tradition I've been a gooner for over 40 years

  124. Where is Tony Evans?

    Dec 01, 2013, 16:28 #42334

    Not many articles on here lately about people giving up their season tickets.

  125. Westlower

    Dec 01, 2013, 16:00 #42333

    Steve Gerrard, Phil Thompson, Jamie Carragher, Jamie Redknapp, Graeme Souness, all agreed it would be a backward step for Suarez to join AFC. YEAH RIGHT!!!!!

  126. Gare K

    Dec 01, 2013, 15:56 #42332

    Credit to all involved for the win. A good performance, great result, another clean sheet and the goal difference boosted. If there is an Arsenal fan that isn’t happy with those things in one game then take a chill pill rather than just supporting someone else as some not so nice people on this site would say. You know who you are. Szczesny is growing in stature and it’s great to see it and fans like me always knew he always had it in him. The brief spell on the bench last season has done him the power of good, upped his game, cut out the errors and most importantly brought out some humility in him. Hopefully the talented but arrogant t*at of the past who couldn’t be arsed to cut out his errors and wasn’t bothered about cleaning keep clean sheets is gone for good. If only Bendtner could learn from him. Fair play to Ramsey for not celebrating his goals but before some Gooners get on their high moral horses as they always like to just remember that Cardiff fans didn’t spend 90 minutes singing vile songs about him unlike some Gooners do about a certain Dutchman. Whatever issues some of us fans have with Wenger and admittedly I’m one of them, it’s important that at the very least we continue to get behind the team. But it’s also important that if possible that Wenger will use the forthcoming January window to strengthen the squad in certain areas rather than just waiting for the walking wounded to come back. It would be stupid from Wenger & fans to think that we would have a clean bill of health for the second half of the season. January 2010 & 2011 bit Wenger big time when we were in good/strong positions and if the same was to happen again next month and results in another pot less season then it will prove yet again that Wenger doesn’t learn from his mistakes. Roll on Hull on Wednesday who would be buzzing after doing Liverpool. So huge concentration is required. Up The Arsenal!

  127. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 01, 2013, 15:30 #42331

    Flamini not starting perhaps a slap on the wrist Kev? after been told to respect tradition in the future. Another game where we were on top throughout and never really looked like losing (the more the merrier)and probably had another gear or two if needed, and that says a hell of a lot as like you say Cardiff have already done one of our rivals and drawn with the other. Another convincing performance alright and as one of the experts said on MOTD it was such a good team performance it's hard to pick any one out and for a change they were right, but you couldn't pass Ramsey again with two great goals who didn't celebrate as a mark of respect something which seems ridiculous to me as i'm sure they made a tidy bunce out of him and the deal, but to be fair the home fans showed him respect after. I suppose Giroud is another that has to be mentioned drawing another blank with what can only be described as a school boy error from an Arsenal striker and a French international has he never heard of play to the whistle? Lets hope he's learned his lesson, and no damage was done, and lets hope that's the way it continues with more of these convincing performances not only with the individual ones but with team ones as well. As for believing and thinking of the title? way to early to start that, there's a long way to go and far to much football to be played yet, with still a lot to prove and a lot of past history to be taken into consideration.

  128. Bard

    Dec 01, 2013, 15:28 #42330

    Great result and pretty good performance. I cant quite get my head all round the euphoria. We're not even half way through the season yet. Yes we look a good side and are having a good run but we have fallen away quite spectacularly from Feb onwards in recent seasons. Its frankly ludicrous to think we can get away with only having one top striker . Im with most of the realists on here who think we have a fantastic opportunity but we need another top class striker in the Jan window.

  129. jjetplane

    Dec 01, 2013, 14:48 #42329

    Lukewarm is good Westie and I do detect some caution in yourself as bewitching months approach. Have a word with Wenger about another striker if Walcott is going for 35m to France? I do look forward to the Ox coming back which may decide the fate of the former. Keep the pipes running I say and I do hope Ozil realises he will gather a sainthood if he stays at Arsenal. Maybe a Flamini statue will also be in order as long as the scissors stay in the bottom draw. Reckon its the youngsters who could teach us a thing or too about new world orders and the price of an hot dog. Hull to the sword.

  130. Westlower

    Dec 01, 2013, 13:07 #42328

    jjetplane, Some of our lukewarm, anxious supporters do need to be told to like their team. Some of the younger fans have never experienced a winning team before. Trust an old lags judgement; this could be one of the great Arsenal teams. We've never had so many good midfielders at any one time before. There are so many goals among them that I'm sure we'll cope if Giroud gets injured. We're not your typical UK pub team and don't rely on lumping the ball into the box. Our supporters need to update their brains into the way AFC play their football.

  131. Seven Kings Gooner

    Dec 01, 2013, 12:38 #42327

    Ozil's pass for Flamini's goal was so perfect, so precise and so effortless - do watch it again. Goals like that look simple and obvious and at times appear as a normal part of any football match, however they are not - they are another brilliant example of what you get when you buy a truly world class player. Other Premier league players could practise that pass till they weighed an ounce but still could not match the "nanosecond" timing, Flamini just hit the ball while he was running flat out - a truly marvellous goal. So Arsene please, another couple of top players in January to prevent the dreaded "burn out" of past seasons.

  132. Michael the 40 something Gooner

    Dec 01, 2013, 12:28 #42326

    A great performance yesterday from the whole team. Compare Ramsey's non-celebration showing respect to the club that he left 5 years ago to rvp's gaping mouth disrespectful celebration as a 2 fingers up moment to the club that stood by him through injury and allegations and to the fans who paid his wages. Ramsey 1 rvp 0.

  133. jjetplane

    Dec 01, 2013, 12:27 #42325

    A very encouraging state of affairs so far and the posts reflect a well tempered response (1975, Gaz, Badarse). It is obvious we need one more striker unless Walcott and Podolski are to reinvent themselves in the current nature of things. I think Ozil has been great when you think he came out of that RM circus into some proper football matches. Quietly orchestrating as someone said while Flamini bosses all over and then scores. Excellent signings and hopefully a sign of real intent. We cannot just keep hoping for Chav/Citeh slip ups come February. Sieze the day and all that malarkey! Who really needs to be told to like their team? ..... We can tell ourselves. Spuds have just scored which is a laugh really ....

  134. Jumpers for Goalposts

    Dec 01, 2013, 12:07 #42324

    Another banana skin avoided - another excellent three points. There is still a long way to go but after 1/3 of the season we are 7 points clear at the top and we must be considered as potential League winners this season. The final piece of the jigsaw is one or two experienced signings in January. Most players would now jump at the chance to join The Arsenal so please please please Mr Wenger, don't make the same mistake you've made every year since 2006!!!!

  135. George

    Dec 01, 2013, 12:05 #42323

    So far so good but Wenger must not be blinded into thinking we dont need to buy a striker in january.If he doesnt it would be criminal.We are a third of the way into the season but we all know we have been here before and crumbled in the new year.Wenger should have a striker lined up on jan 1st.No haggling about fee's no waiting till deadline day just get a quality striker in.We cant rest on our laurels.Yesterday was an excellent team performance with Szczesny making a game changing save at 1-0.I would get Flamini back in now with the heavyweight games v City and Chelsea coming up.And are we going to give Sagna a contract longer than 1 year he is back to his best.As for Rambo he is magnificent he keeps raising the bar.All round a great day

  136. Gaz

    Dec 01, 2013, 10:48 #42322

    I thought that was just about our best performance of the season so far. We did all the basics right and never looked in any real trouble. Two things spring to mind though. Szczesny-without any shadow of doubt-is now winning us points. Any side with any thoughts of winning titles MUST have a keeper who makes those vital saves at vital times. He's doing that now and long may it continue. Secondly-and sorry to hark on about this-but we must buy another striker in january. Giroud will hit a wall soon and neither Podolski or Walcott can do a similar job. And whilst I realise its never an easy time to buy (and putting to one side its Wengers fault we went through the summer without signing one in the first place) we have to do something or a fantastic position will be squandered again. Wenger is having a great season so far and deserves all the credit in the world. I just hope he remembers past mistakes and already has somebody lined up. We could well be on the verge of something special and it would be heartbreaking to see us fail at the final hurdle again...

  137. Unchives

    Dec 01, 2013, 10:36 #42321

    Great performance by the lads. On the edge of my seat till the end....lets go and win the trophy now....Come on you Gooners!Well said "Westlower"

  138. BADARSE

    Dec 01, 2013, 9:59 #42320

    Thanks Kevin, yet another win to report on and an even more upbeat and positive outlook discerned in your words. This was a win to relish. Yet another potential banana skin game which we neutralised in grand fashion. I have said before in posts that Sir Chesney is a very good keeper in the making. He seems to have overcome the rushes of blood which have given him occasional errors of judgement, so is this just maturity? Whatever, without the gaffs he can be judged on merit, in what you see. Again as I mentioned recently Ozil is operating in killer areas of the pitch and his contribution is evident whether he plays well or is a little off. Yesterday he was the quiet orchestrator. Aaron just builds for me. Growing constantly, and Kevin's likening to Robson is spot on. Playing as he is this season he is the closest to Robson I have seen. Good to see Theo add his bit in an assist, which will help to give him a sense of esteem and ease him back into the group. I also mentioned a while ago that with this group of midfield men that a system of buzzing like hornets would aid us if we lost Giroud and not having a replacement to call upon. I am amazed at the movement and level of understanding beginning to show amongst these players and it seems to be happening even with Giroud on the pitch! This may prove to be our greatest weapon and one which will come to be recognised by opponents, and depending on individual performances could prove very fruitful, and even see us as a team remembered for the strategy and style. I am happy with all I see so far.

  139. 1975

    Dec 01, 2013, 9:59 #42319

    Come on Wenger. Show real purpose and commitment in the jan transfer window and back this team with a striker and spare centre back. We have a great chance to change the trajectory of the club upwards. Or we might look back and wonder if only.

  140. Westlower

    Dec 01, 2013, 9:54 #42318

    To whom it may concern among the doubters that still remain. Please refrain from being critical observers, put away your financial gripes, your dislike of the new ground, manager and certain players. This team is on a roll and if Gooners still don't believe in them who else is going to? Help boost their confidence further by shouting them on like the Champions elect they have become. When we lose again please don't revert to type and air all your tired old grievances. I don't buy into the argument we have improved due to previous persistent self pitiful moaning & groaning from fans. We all hurt when we lose but demanding heads on platters is unhelpful. This squad has matured and consequently improved as a unit and it's a joy to behold.

  141. Dan h

    Dec 01, 2013, 9:46 #42317

    Another really good solid performance from all involved yesterday at a place where both Manchester clubs dropped points.The team also now has a stronger look with players returning from the bench competition for places always a good way to offset complacency.Three points & three excellent goals top save at 1-0 also well done to all involved.

  142. Frank

    Dec 01, 2013, 9:41 #42316

    Kev i now compare where we are now to where we were in 2007/08 season.It ia all down to the january window.In 07/08 Wenger failed to strengthen.If he has learned the lessons from back then when he failed to buy we have a great chance of winning the title.But if he doesnt buy we may blow it again.He has to buy a striker in jan.No question.Giroud is getting run into the ground.So pleased the Flaminator scored he has been an important signing as Ozil.And what a celebration.And i do believe Wenger has found Theo's best position on the bench coming on for last 15 mins of games as an impact sub

  143. au revoir wenger

    Dec 01, 2013, 8:47 #42315

    who is this bloke pretending to be Aaron Ramsey we all know the real Aaron Ramsey couldnt kick **** off a rope

  144. GoonerRon

    Dec 01, 2013, 8:37 #42314

    Another vital 3 points that puts the pressure back on our rivals for their fixtures today. Solid, assured, composed, played quality football when we could, a bench that is looking stronger by the week, a GK vindicating Wenger's decision to not buy a new number one - all is happy in Goonerland for another few days.