The Ecstasy and the Agony

Online Ed: Spoils shared at home to Everton



The Ecstasy and the Agony


The mood after yesterday’s draw with Everton as the fans left the stadium was downcast. This was always going to be a difficult fixture, and in recent seasons games between these two sides have often been close, even when neither were credible title contenders. And I think after yesterday’s match, one at the very least has to consider Everton as a team that can take a top four place come the season’s end. The fact that only one other side has managed to defeat them in the league this season – that being Manchester City at home – tells us that they have become harder to beat since David Moyes’ departure. That they are only fifth is due to the large number of games they have drawn.

The first half was a tight affair and Arsenal struggled to appear anything above the ordinary. Players that have looked good all season lacked zip and the quality in their passing. Whether this was down to fatigue (The Gunners have played seven more matches than their opponents due to their European commitments) or Everton’s well organised harrying can’t be certain. It was likely a mixture of both. The manager has rotated, but certain players have not had much of a break. Arteta and Ramsey started in central midfield and neither had particularly good games. It was a day that required a lot of work from the trio of Ozil, Cazorla and Wilshere, but the first two did not seem as industrious as was required. The consequence was that Everton seemed to be in control for a fairly large portion of the opening 45 minutes.

However, as half time drew close, Arsenal seemed to wake up and created danger to give some hope with a couple of good chances. This continued with the opening of the second half and the game improved as a spectacle. But the breakthrough would not come, and Everton were looking dangerous on the counter attack. Szczesny pulled off a wonder save with his feet to deny Lukaku (or maybe Mirallas – I haven’t seen any highlights yet), advancing from his goalmouth with great anticipation.

Arsène Wenger made a triple substitution after 70 minutes, with Walcott, Rosicky and Flamini coming on and the tempo was lifted. Ramsey, Wilshere and Cazorla made way. Eventually the pressure told, with Ozil finding the net after good work by Rosicky and Walcott. It was a moment of pure relief and the crowd celebrated wildly. Fair play to Everton for coming straight back though, with a quality goal only four minutes later. There are perhaps valid questions as to why two Everton players were free behind Kieran Gibbs, but the strike was a fantastic one, which punctured the atmosphere at the stadium. Olivier Giroud almost scored a wonder goal from distance late in injury time but it was not to be.

The general conclusion was that it was a fair result. A game Arsenal could have won, but equally, could have lost, given the chances at both ends and the quality of the opposition. If the team is to succeed come May, there will be more dropped points to come. However, it is about remaining consistent in good habits and ensuring that games that should be won do see three points taken and that just enough tighter games like yesterday’s are converted into narrow wins. Arsenal are still five points clear, but how they negotiate December could prove critical. Everton was the first of three huge matches in seven days. The opposition does not get any easier. Against Napoli, the players will be aware they have to kill the game and not give the Italian side any sense of encouragement.

Flamini will surely start that match and it would be negligent to leave him out at Eastlands next weekend. Against Everton, he might have assisted Kieran Gibbs a bit more than Arteta, although arguably, that was Cazorla’s job. However, when all is said and done, Everton scored when Flamini was on the pitch, so conclusions are not always that simple. For this observer though, he should be an automatic starter. The reality is that Arsenal can afford a narrow defeat on Wednesday night and I think everyone would be happy to take a point away from Manchester next weekend. That Chelsea and Manchester City both dropped points on Saturday shows that you cannot assume anyone is going to win on their travels anymore, but Arsenal’s ability to win on the road is what has given them the five point cushion they now enjoy.

Saturday’s results meant they could afford to draw yesterday. It was a disappointment, not to take full advantage of others’ slips, but few who watched the game could complain about the result. Everton version 2013-14 are a tough nut to crack.

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  1. Mike

    Dec 10, 2013, 7:58 #42654

    It was a good game with a fair result - dissappointing that we could not hold onto the clean sheet for the seventh time in a row - don't know why the doom mongers are out in such force. The defence still remains the best in the league this calender year. Champion league next ten on to City now and hopefully the away form continues.

  2. DW Thomas

    Dec 10, 2013, 0:31 #42653

    We need to play with more mettle. Been saying the same thing for years. Our blueprint for success was that game against Chelsea afew years ago where we hounded them. The best teams all play that way, Barca, Bayern, Dortmund. They hound teams then punish them. What we lack is that willingness or desire to pressure all the time. We don't seem to understand that even if you don't win the ball, you force errors and regain possession. We have too many players that love attacking but hate defending. Theo a great example. We need ball winners everywhere or at least team pressure till we regain the all. But the team reflects the manager. If Wenger valued it we'd play that way more often. But I don't believe he does.

  3. Ossie's Dream

    Dec 09, 2013, 22:57 #42652

    Can't wait to play you goons in the cup. It wouldn't surprise me if Spurs went on to win the double this year,now AVB has got us playing the Tottenham way again in the last three games. What do you guys think?

  4. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 09, 2013, 20:36 #42650

    Ron, your right about the bleating over fouls (there's always an excuse for our little lambs)as someone has already said jeff wright i think it was, does OGL expect every team just to wave us through? and compliment us on our way? even though it was us doing the waving and complimenting yesterday. We're still top of the pile (and long may it last right to the end) and we're there to be shot at whether OGL and supporters like it or not. Well Arsene i've got news for you the longer we remain there the worse it's going to get especially at the business end of the season, and especially if other teams are fighting for the title and CL places and indeed to survive, and if our little angels aren't up to/for it take them down from the Christmas tree and replace them with some who are.

  5. Trevor

    Dec 09, 2013, 19:11 #42648

    Flamini has to start every game.He@s a better DM than Arteta its as simples as that.

  6. Roy

    Dec 09, 2013, 19:04 #42647

    Plenty I could say about my own team, but since it's already been covered mostly, just wanted to say very impressed with Everton. It's blatantly obvious that Martinez is a bloody good manager and we could do a helluva lot worse whenever OGL's time is finally up. If we can pick up at least a point against Citeh and Wenger can break his hoodoo against the pompous preening one, then maybe, just maybe, it's on.

  7. HowardL

    Dec 09, 2013, 18:55 #42646

    Excellent game - impressed by Everton and they should be challenging for the top 4 trophy come next May. We could have won it at the end but draw seemed a fair result.

  8. RED FRED

    Dec 09, 2013, 18:48 #42645

    Not a bad result but am i alone in thinking Santi Cazorla is nowhere near the player of last season?

  9. allybear

    Dec 09, 2013, 18:16 #42644

    Ron your spot on about the midfield,its far too lightweight. There is no real leader and Everton were much stronger physically. I think Giroud is a decent player but i think the team needs more than just a new striker.

  10. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 09, 2013, 18:09 #42643

    Gare K, excellent shout mate ref: your last paragraph, you can bet those who would rather we concentrate on the prem and OGL's Holy grail and not the domestic cups will not want us out of this one early and will be advocating a full strength team and no one rested for that one.

  11. Ron

    Dec 09, 2013, 17:17 #42642

    The middle of the park has badly needed a Vieira type of player since,... well since Vieira left. The Everton game just highlighted it yet again, as if it needed highlighting. Its physically weak and there are still far too many players of the same ilk vying for the same places. Even young Barclay was powering them out of the way.There are lots of counter opposed comments on Giroud on here today. Hes not quality but has good qualities. The trouble is that hes served poorly and wanders wide and goes back deep time and time again looking for the ball. As a result when hes needed to get on the end of a passing movement, hes often not there in the centre. There was 4 glaring occasions it happened yesterday. Balls sent to nothing in the centre and he was nowhere. If a team plays one up top, its CF has to be there to receive, unlesss hes interchanged with a midfield man, who fills in for the CF. It rarely happens for us. The midfield fail to fill in for the advancing full backs during attacks in much the same way. As a team we always look stretched as a result and a team who keeps its shape always looks like theyve more players on the pitch than us. Theres little solidity. Defending, the full backs have so much to do to get back, due to no infilling and retreating midfielders.

  12. AugustusCaesar

    Dec 09, 2013, 16:50 #42641

    Don't understand the criticism of the full backs either. It's one position we've really got sorted over the last calendar year. I think Gibbs was close enough to Deulofeu yesterday, any closer and he would have been skinned. Deulofeu displayed very quick feet and a very quick shot. How about just giving credit to the striker? Gibbs has come on a bundle for various reasons but clearly with Monreal being added to the squad he knows his place is under threat. Sagna has his mojo back and while Jenks is very green how many other clubs boast a back-up as able as this? This is a player who has played in the Champions League at Bayern Munich and was part of a defence that didn't concede. You can't have an all round improvement to the defence like we have and still have fallible full backs.

  13. jeff wright

    Dec 09, 2013, 15:36 #42640

    Gooner D, I suppose considering that Everton outplayed us for much of the game,and were hampered with not having a striker who could take advantage of this , then your view that 'It was a good result for Arsenal.' may have some merit. I was trying to be charitable in suggesting a draw was probably about right. Football games though are won by who scores the most goals - if both sides score one a piece then the game is deemed to be a draw. I fail to see though how a draw at home against Everton in the context of our ambitions this season can possibly be a good result,if it's a fair one or not judged on the game played is irrelevant to that . Next up we will have some suggesting that a draw at home to Newcastle will be a good result because they have beaten United at OT and had a decent run of results.

  14. Bard

    Dec 09, 2013, 15:36 #42639

    Danny I'm with you on this one. As the fight for the pl gets more intense and desperate the games will be more physical and ugly. Sides are not going to let us play around them. Everton bossed us physically for long periods. We need someone other than Flamini to dish it out. I also fear that the more delicate flowers in the side will be found wanting. I'm a fan of Giroud but he's not strong enough or quick enough to make the difference at the top level. Sadly of course we also know Wenger won't splash the cash.

  15. Gare K

    Dec 09, 2013, 14:53 #42638

    The draw was a fair result in my view and not as bad as some fans may feel. Our recent performances have been a bit “meh”, so this has been coming especially when we are up against a decent/good side. One pleasing thing was keeping Lukaku quiet though the way he outmuscled Arteta towards the end brought back old habits when we had players who couldn’t handle the strong, physical types e.g. Drogba. Personally, I too would have Flamini as the DM rather than Arteta. The important thing now this month is to maintain our reasonable position at the top. Any more dropped points would increase the notion amongst our rivals that we can be ‘knocked off our f*cking perch’. I’ll take a draw against Man City but we have to beat Chelsea as we will be at home. Winning your home games is a pre-requisite to winning league titles right? I have to say that I was impressed with Everton. They were always solid under David Moyes but now under Roberto Martinez, who I can’t say I’ve always been one of his biggest fans, they look a better side but its early days there. It’s a credit to them that despite their limited financial resources (really limited compared to our so-called problems) that they regularly compete for a European place in the league and do beat the so-called bigger teams every season. Proof in my eyes yet again that it’s not how much money a club spends but how it’s spent combined with good coaching. But I suppose the good coaching bit is nothing these days in the eyes of some fans as according to them it’s just down to spending lots of money. Finally, to those fans who want us out of the domestic cups early. I would assume then you want Tottenham to do us on our own turf in the FA Cup? And you call Wenger and board critics like me ‘plastics’? Even if we don’t win the FA Cup, knocking that horrible lot from the Lane would still be sweet. I can’t wait to be there for it. Safe journey to those travelling to Naples. I’m confident we’ll get the job done. Up The Arsenal!

  16. GoonerD

    Dec 09, 2013, 14:45 #42636

    Everton were a surprise package and full of confidence after beating Mank U. This was definitely a good result for Arsenal. They are a surprise form team this season. However, it should be evidence to le boss that he needs a top quality striker. Arsenal can win the PL this year without a new CF, but an addition would make a big difference.

  17. Ron

    Dec 09, 2013, 14:38 #42635

    Westsie - Never saw that mate, but right with you. Milan of the late 80s was the greatest side for me too. Scored for fun in a league that just didnt contemplate 3 and 4 goal thrillers, yet Milan had many of them and where defences were solid in a way unknown today.

  18. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Dec 09, 2013, 14:28 #42634

    Some fair criticism and comment, especially that Giroud was outstanding again. He is a huge asset in so many ways, the least expected of which is his ability to win the ball and hold it up virtually all the time that the goalkeeper plays to him. He is also crucial in defence at set pieces, where he provides crucial help to BFG. Both of our main opponents will target him. Let's hope that Wenger doesn't decide to leave Flamini out the day we play them and replace him with Emma Bunton or Diaby. Being on Flanimal's list of enemies does carry a substantial threat. It was absolutely bloomin obvious that Everton were a red hot threat , but he didn't choose appropriately and he didn't change early enough. Everton were hondootedly very good indeed and it's nice to have some opposing fans on here with some brains and something sensible to say.

  19. Westlower

    Dec 09, 2013, 14:25 #42633

    Ron, The template of a great full back is Paolo Maldini. Were you at Highbury the night AC Milan showed us how football can be played. Maldini had more technical ability than the sum total of our team. He was primarily right footed but played at left back. AC Milan remain the best team I've ever seen.

  20. Danny

    Dec 09, 2013, 14:10 #42632

    If Everton can outplay us, what will Citeh , Chelsea and Napoli do? Our midfield might be good enough to beat average teams, but they are not good enough, slow and weak. Arteta and Carzola were poor and Giroud cannot cut it. Useless!! We need to get a strong OX of a midfielder and World Class striker, otherwise forget about the season. OH YES, Please do give the Wenger anther contract.

  21. GoonerRon

    Dec 09, 2013, 13:28 #42631

    @ Ron - you know I have respect for what you say but for me Gibbs has improved every year that he has been in the squad, and has been a huge part of the best defence in the league this season. Whether this is down to his natural evolution as a relatively young player and/or coaching I don't know, but for me his defensive and positional improvement is clear to see.

  22. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 09, 2013, 13:13 #42630

    Yes Kev disappointment the early Xmax presents weren't accepted in the way we all hoped with two points dropped after been beaten at our own game and outplayed and out passed especially in the first half at home not by madrid, or barca, but Everton and that's no disrespect to Everton and can be taken as a complement, who fully deserved their draw if not more, and it proves we can be beaten at our own game by another young up and coming manager who was also on the list of replacements for OGL when the time comes. No doubt we'll hear the usual excuses an off day? to tired? with a lot of our passes at times going to opponents, and nowhere, and even out of play, where was the tippy tappy when it was needed especially after we scored. You would have thought our great defence would have held on for the win but you just knew the way Everton were playing (or allowed to play) that wasn't going to happen. Yes Giroud could have nicked it in the end and not much else but drew another blank, but as a striker what was he doing out there would he not have been better employed in the box where he could have got his head on a cross or something or a tap in? Proof if any was needed that we need a top class striker in Jan but unfortunately we all know that won't happen. We got what we deserved out of the game and the Everton manager said it was a fair result even though he must have been talking about the second half. At the end of the day it's two points dropped at home regardless of the circumstances and it could have been worse. It's still early days and there's still all to play for, but if we want to stay where we are there's still a lot of improvement required, we're not as good as some think we are yet,and we could start by not letting ourselves be out played at home.

  23. ppp

    Dec 09, 2013, 13:09 #42629

    A draw was a fair result and actually we could have won with a bit more luck - but that would have been tough on Everton who are much better under Martinez. Incredible for them really - lose Moyes and Fellaini and actually improve. Even though Manc United beat us at Old Trafford I think Everton are a better side and will finish above them this year. Hopefully they will both be behind us.. How we're going to beat Man City is another question - two days after playing Napoli? Ridiculous. We should put everyone on the goal line and play for a draw!

  24. jeff wright

    Dec 09, 2013, 13:09 #42628

    DW.Thomas, it's all really just deja vu recent past seasons the hapless away form of City, and the shot-shy chav strikers, have given us an advantage in taking points off lower sides more consistently than they have. The fact that a very average Liverpool side are second in the league just 5 points behind us says it all really, the Suarez factor, as with Bale at spuds last season, obviously playing a part in this. The game was entertaining for the neutral TV viewer , and Everton supporters , but I can't see how we can be happy about being out-played at home for long periods by Everton in a game that we were supposed to be favourites to win. Wenger got his tactics wrong and refused to change them he needed to take of Arteta he was obviously struggling against the younger quicker Everton midfield players. Giroud again showed that he is not quick enough to be our main striker . Wenger was at it again blamingg the result on Everton using rough tactics to break up our attacking play. Really? It looked to me that Everton had a better balance about them and kept us under pressure with their quick-forward play . Wenger is trying to turn our league into a version of La Liga ,pass pass pass ,dive,dive dive. That sort of football may appeal to some but the world wide popularity of the English game is based on a combative approach in which hard tackles play a part . Obviously no one wants to see Shawcross on Ramsey type ones , but I didn't see anything that untoward yesterday by Everton . Once again Wenger is trotting out the same old excuses. Rough opponents are anti-football. The fixture lists are unfair to him and cause tiredness among our players . Wenger should be allowed to play Cardiff every week with their supporters standing and applauding Ramsey - while Jack and co waltz through the Welsh side's defence with their players standing around like traffic wardens waving our ones on toward goal. With our poor record against the better sides in the Prem we will need to keep beating the lower ones and hoping they take points off City and Chelsea. A scenario that means for us to succeed the other top sides must fail more than us against the lower ones . I think that this is unlikely to happen and where we are in the league come the end of March will tell us more about our league title bid,or if in reality it's just another top 4 finish for Arsene the master of illusion .

  25. JJB

    Dec 09, 2013, 12:46 #42627

    Those slagging off our FB's really don't have a clue at all! I have to question what some of you are watching, I really do? Jenkinson is still very raw, but he has had 2 decent games against Everton and Hull, and why the attack on Gibbs? Sometimes we are going to play against very good teams, and in this case against Everton they had 2 very good FB's of their own. I really dont understand the mentality of some fans, the more I read these comments the more it underlines how ignorant many season ticket holders are, there are plenty who understand the game but I despair when I read some of the trite on here. Everton deserved their point yesterday, and fair play to em, and we didn't play badly at all!

  26. Ron

    Dec 09, 2013, 12:45 #42626

    Westie - HA mate. I played up front mainly when i was young and fighting fit. Loved it. A long time at RB though as you say. Im very interested in full back play today and watch them close and love helping the kids do it as well as they can. It was always an underated position but in todays game, it calls for intelligence to match any midfielder. Its great the way the Full back position has evolved, but the rule changes and attitudes to tackling and offside undermine it being played well more than in any area of the pitch i feel. Its a good job that there arent any worthwhile wingers around today, as that wonderful position has criminally become obsolete. The likes of Gibbs, im convinced has no coaching on his covering and positional play and doesnt understand the relationship he needs with the wide middle men. though in fairness i dont think they reciprocate. The other lad, Jenkinson,is a tryer but for me, ive seen far better composed FB s in the Blue Sq lge. Hes just not going to do it.Same old mistakes since he first got a game. Other Clubs know what he does wrong and try to focus on him to differing effects. His coaches? So far as i know there arent any at the Club who can assist him. Wide players and midfielders must love and relish playing v him. His own CBs must hate him on the quiet! Young Shaw at Saints is going to be really good. Glen Johnson is excellent albeit a little too ambitious. He'd be great abroad. Kenny Samsom was quality for us. Storey was only a workmanlike RB for a few years until Howe and Mee saw some 'Leedsesque' primeval qualities in him that suited the early 70s trench warfare needs!

  27. DW Thomas

    Dec 09, 2013, 12:22 #42625

    Ramsey was poor, Jack not much better. They were chopped atby Everton though. Wenger was tactically inept again and our goal was lucky. Theo winning a header? They fell asleep on that one. Their goal should never have happened. These type of dropped points are the ones that will haunt us I think. Everton dominated us as we were lazy or tired or both. Too many midfielders who played out of position and didn't work near hard enough on defense. They had way too much space. Kos did play well but their attackers were not at the top of their game either. Why oh why do we never seem to take advantage of dropped points by other teams? The team should have been filled with energy to win and go 7 points clear! Again they were flat. Except for Giroud. He was terrific and hustled all game. Flamini too had energy and verve. This result stinks of Wenger's inability to respond tactically early and change his team to respond to another team's dominance. Sczez saved our butts again too, which is good. But this game should have been ours. Again, we've won nothing yet.

  28. Westlower

    Dec 09, 2013, 12:20 #42624

    Ron, I always suspected you were a hairy arsed full back. I bet Peter Storey was your hero?

  29. Gunner SA

    Dec 09, 2013, 12:19 #42623

    Five points clear :) Kev there's quite a difference in hairstyle and skin tone between Mirallas and Lukaku!!

  30. GoonerRon

    Dec 09, 2013, 12:02 #42622

    A really high quality game over the 90 minutes, with both teams really going for the win which is refreshing to see. A lot of people have pointed to Everton's dominance of possession in the first half, but I think this is a sign of the evolution of our team this season. Previously we thought attack was the best (or sometimes only) form of the defence, if we have the ball the opposition can't score etc, but this season we are quite comfortable to not have possession and get into shape and deal with the opposition in our defensive third. Whilst Everton dominated the ball and passed it really well I don't remember Ches being extended once in the first half. Second half was much more open and the result could have gone either way in fairness, although I'd say over the 90 minutes Howard was certainly the busier of the GK's, which shows we did find some incision against a very good defence. A draw was a fair result and one which extends our lead to 5 points which is certainly welcome. Three massive games coming up next - can't wait for them.

  31. CanadaGooner

    Dec 09, 2013, 11:32 #42621

    I was at Phibbers Pub with some mates before the match and we all agreed that if this game had been on Saturday, we would not have been worried about the result, as Arsenal would romp home convincingly. But haven seen the Citeh & Chelski results, we were worried our Sunday game would be complacent; and so it was. Very disappointing goal we conceded; We had so many chances to clear the box or hack the ball away and we didnt. 7 points clear is much better than 5, when you have citeh and chelski as you next games. But, well done to the lads for keeping it at 1 - 1, and hopefully citeh and chelski continue to surprise us all by dropping more points to lower-table opposition

  32. Bard

    Dec 09, 2013, 11:30 #42620

    Good fair post. Everton will take points off other teams a draw is not a bad result. I'm not usually a fan of Wengers post match moans but thought he was spot on about their tactic of committing fouls to stop us breaking out. Expect Maureen and his band of merry men to do likewise when we play them. We need to man up in the middle of the park.

  33. Gaz

    Dec 09, 2013, 11:01 #42618

    Cant really argue with a draw against a really good Everton side even though it was dissaponting to concede so quickly after taking the lead. Thought we looked well under par for most of the game with Ramsey and Arteta having perticually off days. Good to see Wenger change it a little earlier than he normally does and despite them scoring I thought we looked far more dangerous with Theo producing some ggod moments including a great knock-down for the goal. Anyway time to move on and think about Wednesdy where-as others have said-we should be going all out for a win. A draw will also see us top the group but thoughts of a noarrow defeat being ok-considering it might see us finish second in the group-are foolish imho and will no doubt ultimately cost us.

  34. jb

    Dec 09, 2013, 11:00 #42617

    I thought both of their full backs were very good even though we were set up perfectly for them to attack us. I see some papers are linking us with a move for Coleman. I think he'd be a great buy. Can't complain about the result.

  35. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Dec 09, 2013, 10:52 #42615

    As others have pointed out, a tough tight affair that could have gone either way. Everton are certainly no mugs having beaten Chelsea, Man Utd and drawn with Liverpool however our lack of ability to break them down until the 3 substitutions makes you wonder, if when push comes to shove at the business end of the season, if that lack of ability will mean the difference between 1 pt and 3

  36. Ron

    Dec 09, 2013, 10:27 #42613

    R/K - the only surprise to me is how either of those full backs get a game in front of me! Theyre both absolutely dreadful. Im writing in for a trial. Why dont you come? Ill go RB, you left? Everton are a really good side though and Wengers bleating about them breaking up play with fouls is all bollocks. Coward Webb was more pinikity than normal, thats all. There wasnt a vicious tackle all game, but both sides diving was a pretty poor lot. Barclay for them, repeatedly and Ozil (and later Flamini) being the main offenders.

  37. AugustusCaesar

    Dec 09, 2013, 10:24 #42612

    I was very impressed with Everton. They put pressure on us high up the pitch and passed it well and found space when they had possession. It's no exaggeration to say they played like the home team in the first half. We just didn't look at the races and watching from the stands it was glaring how we didn't have the balance right in midfield. We need to show these teams more respect and play with two deep lying midfield players. Pienarr and Barkley particularly consistently were picking up the ball between our defence and midfield and exposing the back four. Luckily Mertesacker and Koscienly are playing outstandingly well and held firm. Arteta is a good player but he cannot cover the ground of two players and looks exposed and vulnerable at times yesterday. Wenger has to sacrifice an attacking midfield player and I'm not sure it really matters who it is. I disagree with the assessment of Ozil who I thought was easily the pick of our attacking midfield players. Anyway, this is a game we may have lost not so long ago and a draw is not a catastrophe in the grand scheme of things. And occasionally it's good to be reminded the team is not unfallible.

  38. cyril

    Dec 09, 2013, 10:19 #42611

    Everton showed us why the Premier League is so great to watch. If there is one team you can rely on to take points it is them and they took em off us. Fair play. I hope I am wrong but if we do not back up in January with another centre forward, we might fall short. I hope Wenger makes the right decisions.

  39. Dan h

    Dec 09, 2013, 10:05 #42610

    It was a fair result they have come on leaps & bounds under Martinez hard to beat but play with control & keep the ball well.To concede after getting a late lead was disappointing but even after then it could of gone either way.We looked more balanced after the subs with Cazorla & JW cutting in constantly they had a lot of room out wide attacking from the full back area which has been a strength of theirs all season.Big week ahead I would be very surprised if Flamini doesn't start both games regardless of him being on the pitch or not when Everton scored the balance of the team is better with him in it especially against sides that break quickly.

  40. declan burke

    Dec 09, 2013, 10:00 #42608

    Gazzer has every right to expect champions league next season for Everton, These 2 teams are a revelation this season, and I for one am convinced that this is going to be a major season for these 2 clubs. The pace and technical ability displayed by these 2 not just yesterday but in the season overall is setting a very high standard.

  41. Esso

    Dec 09, 2013, 9:59 #42607

    I think its really dangerous to go to Napoli with any other attitude than - win the game. Go an early goal down, or god forbid two, and it could be a very long and perhaps painful evening.

  42. radfordkennedy

    Dec 09, 2013, 9:56 #42606

    I think Martinez couldnt believe his luck yesterday,yet again we played our version of 'Alfs wingless wonders'which thier full backs exploited to the extreme,knowing that no one of any pace would trouble them,so they could bomb forward virtually at will,thank God they had that ponderous donkey Lukaku up front otherwise we could have been in serious trouble in the first 45.I'll be honest here and say that ive always felt that Walcott is a myth as a footballer,but at least when he came on it gave us some pace and the ability to go past the defender and put a cross in which santi and jack found it hard to do.I got slaughtered on here a while ago for suggesting that Arteta's legs have gone,but he was so slow to get the ball moving yesterday and was caught in possession on several occasions which led to the embarrassing spectacle of him trying to hack down an Everton player from behind but was to slow to do it and missed the man completely.But the biggest mystery to me is how does Gibbs get a game in front of Nacho,as soon as the Barca lad came on i knew we would be in trouble,not only was Gibbs slow to close him down,but the only place that boy could put the ball was across chesney into the left corner,so what does gibbs do open up his body and show him that corner,very very naive defending.Fair play to Everton they left the foot in and set about us safe in the knowledge that we were incapable of going toe to toe with them when it comes to rough house tactics.I would have taken 5 points for the three league games but didnt anticipate that 1 of the points would have been against Everton,if we are to stand any chance in the title run in i feel we are going to have to beat City as the Mourhino wood over Wenger makes it unlikely we will prevail against them.

  43. Clive the Gooner

    Dec 09, 2013, 9:49 #42605

    Great game yesterday, was impressed by Everton good team. Could have nicked it at the end though it would have been harsh. We need to keep the run going at City and it would be nice to beat the Chavs but let's see.

  44. brdgunner

    Dec 09, 2013, 9:32 #42604

    We could argue the most disappointed side this weekend will be chavski. They missed a great chance to close the gap. Instead it got bigger K

  45. Big Dunc

    Dec 09, 2013, 9:26 #42603

    As an Evertonian, this is the most balanced and honest post match assesment I've seen yet. Well done and good luck for the season

  46. Gazzer

    Dec 09, 2013, 9:24 #42602

    As an Evertonian, I fully agree with your fair assessment of yesterday's game. Simply being considered in the same breath as Arsenal (the outstanding team of the season so far) by you Gooners, is a ringing endorsement of everything that's happened around Everton this season. For the first time I'm……..almost…….considering being there or there abouts come May 2014. Dare I say it - Champions League next season?

  47. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Dec 09, 2013, 9:22 #42600

    This was an important game which I had a bad feeling about. That bad feeling didn't evaporate when I saw the team selection. If Flamini was injured or carrying an injury then I see the sense in not playing him. However, for long periods in the match we were back to the bad old days of instability, where the offence cannot attack with confidence for fear of conceding. The game should arguably have been started with our strongest defensive posture, not one of our most vulnerable. There was a real sense in the last few minutes that we were going to concede again. The manager's wish and tendency is to play with the flimsy B*llsh*t of the last 6 years. In a game like yesterday peace of mind comes through two dedicated defensive midfielders. I don't blame the players for a second. They worked very hard containing the considerable Everton threat. The weakness, once again, is in the technical area, by which I mean the box where we contain the manager. What is the point of shouting at the referee because he permits our players to be fouled, when we have someone on the bench who will kick the Cr*p out of anyone who does try and injure our players ? Flamini, if he is fit, is the first name on the teamsheet.