You don't bring a knife to a gunfight

Lamentation for the one that got away



You don't bring a knife to a gunfight

Giroud – Looks exhausted


I often sit and wonder where we would be now if we would have managed to beat Napoli to the signing of Gonzalo Higuain in the summer. Don't get me wrong here; I'm over the moon with the signing of Özil but I always felt like we needed a world-class striker to replace the void left by the humiliating defection of van Persie to Manchester United.

Manchester United have Rooney, van Persie, Hernandez and Welbeck to call upon. Manchester City have Jovetic, Dzeko, Agüero and Negredo at their disposal. Liverpool have the S.A.S. duo of Suarez and Sturridge while we only have Giroud, Bendtner and Sanogo to call upon, because it looks increasingly unlikely that Walcott or Podolski will be utilised as centre-forwards by Arsène Wenger in the immediate future because of their perceived inefficiency when playing with their backs to the opposition goal and inability to hold the ball up effectively. It feels like we are bringing a knife to a gunfight at times because, as honest a pro as Olivier Giroud may be, he is never going to reach the elite level of Suarez, Rooney, van Persie, Agüero or Gonzalo Higuain.

Higuain scored 108 goals in 190 games for Real Madrid and currently has 8 in 15 for Napoli, and he now very much looks to be the "one that got away" from us in the summer just gone.

Giroud is a good player but he doesn't finish enough chances to be considered as an automatic starter at a Champions League club the size of Arsenal, and he definitely can't be expected to play 40 to 50 games a season. He already looks exhausted to this humble observer and, disappointingly, cannot be rested because Bendtner and Sanogo are obviously nowhere near good enough to lead our front line.

Higuain is now an unrealistic target, as is Luis Suarez, but that shouldn't mean that we cannot sign a decent striker in the January transfer-window to boost our chances of silverware come the business end of the season.

Somebody like Karim Benzema would be my dream signing but, at the moment, I'd take the likes of Benteke, Michu or Lukaku to compete with Giroud for a starting berth in our team over Bendtner and Sanogo any day of the week. All three of those players have demonstrated their ability to score goals regularly for teams that do not provide them with as many clear cut chances as Arsenal could, and I'm confident that Giroud would only benefit from a bit of competition for the single striking position in Arsène Wenger's 4-2-3-1 formation. It would of course also allow us to play with two strikers at home as Liverpool and both Manchester clubs often do, and a bit of tactical flexibility certainly couldn't harm our chances of winning our first trophy since moving to Ashburton Grove.

Arsenal are in an excellent position at the moment and, despite the humbling 6-3 defeat at Manchester City, we can't count ourselves out of the title race when we are top of the table as some people already have. In an ideal world we would sign someone like David Luiz or Javier Mascherano to play as a holding midfielder and back-up/competition for our central defenders too but now I'm just being greedy, aren't I?

Arsène Wenger isn't getting any younger, and this current season is the best chance he has had to lift the Premier League trophy since 2007/08, when the horrific tackle on Eduardo by Martin Taylor in the game against Birmingham City derailed our season and effectively ended poor Eduardo's Arsenal career. Let us pray that history doesn't repeat itself this season and Arsène Wenger continues to learn from his mistakes as he obviously has with the appointment of Steve Bould and the re-signing of Mathieu Flamini.


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  1. Jackal

    Dec 24, 2013, 0:59 #43249

    00 and to me a poor AFC performance, so many misplaced passes and no fluency for the 4th game in a row....so this, below, is what I posted 24 hours ago and my view is unchanged ...... Fingers crossed for West Ham game.....'If we lose a game I,m depressed for a few days-but we haven't even played yet this weekend and that's how I feel. What a terrible bingo weekend-a full house-Manure, Citeh, Liverpool and Everton, and Spurs all winning. I sincerely hope we can pull something out of the bag tomorrow but we will have to be on absolute top form to do it, and Chelsea need an off day-what a way to be talking about our team who were top 48 hours ago. That's because we all know the truth, we've beaten some poor teams this year who we would normally draw against, and when it comes to the big boys we fail again. Only against Liverpool was it deserved, we were lucky against Spurs, and against Manure (psychological freeze up!) and Citeh, well, it was so predictable. And now AW is being set for a new contract, is that because of his financial prudence or what? PS I have been going to see AFC for virtually every game since 1963, so I've seen a few changes over the years. Surely the dream team of Dennis and Thierry would help us to get closer to the title. I still can't get over the abysmal 1st half v Everton from a team that was top of the table-what an opportunity wasted to have a significant cushion!!! Oh well, fingers crossed for tomorrow.......' - Post No. 46114

  2. Danny

    Dec 23, 2013, 22:21 #43247

    0-0 . Wenger bottled it today. So you guys still think Giroud is good and Wenger will win!

  3. BADARSE

    Dec 23, 2013, 20:57 #43246

    Ron no special album of Gh for me, but some specific songs, Someplace Else and a few others. Loved the man, though JL was my main man. Cannot criticise Paul though. A different character and did a few silly things but a bit special all the same. GH was a joker. Had a great dry sense of humour. When he lay dying on the west coast Ringo had to finally leave and told him he had to get to NY. Said he didn't want to go and was a bit worried about the meeting he had to attend alone. George propped himself up and croakily said, 'Do you want me to come with you?'

  4. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 23, 2013, 18:15 #43244

    Prepare yourselves for more failure this evening, and third place in London by mid Jan. Lest you forget, Jose is a winner, cannot really say that about Wenger can we

  5. Ron

    Dec 23, 2013, 16:23 #43242

    BADARSE - 'Extra Texture' mate. Perhaps GH s finest? or do you feel differently my freind? Played it earlier. Still brilliant. GH - very underrated musician and underrated guitarist too. His own gentle nature maybe stopped the Beatles becoming a far different type of band in later years as the selfish McCartney fueled harmonic/pop era drew to a close and tore them up, since which time Mr MaCartney still dines out on it to this day and puts a spin on things which the subject thereof has been gone for 33 years so cant answer. On Lennon - ive felt since that JL would have become greater than Elvis had he not been shot down. His work by 1980 was getting better and better. Had he lived im of the view that Mr Mac's career would have fizzled out quicker than a Wilkinsons sparker on Nov 5th.

  6. Spaced

    Dec 23, 2013, 13:49 #43240

    So, we drop to 1 point behind the league leaders and people are calling for Wenger's head and writing the season off! - - I am actually quietly confident about tonight's match, I see no reason why a well rested Arsenal shouldn't overpower this Chelsea side. Re transfers, I'm not entirely sure if Wenger will actually strengthen the squad in January, I hope so, with a striker... but we'll have to see. Even if we don't strengthen I think we are capable of winning the league, why not? We're in the mix at the half way stage, are we not? Anything can happen from now on, so I for one will remain positive. Finally, to all you naysayers... if we win tonight, we go top tonight, the season will be back on and Wenger should be reinstated, agreed? Oh no, of course not... I forgot, you want Arsenal to fail.

  7. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 23, 2013, 13:22 #43238

    Big Andy, just another case of the fans wanting/calling for something and not getting it with OGL sticking his fingers up in defiance at been told what to do even though the need is staring him in the face. So don't be surprised if he buys another unknown keeper.

  8. Gaz

    Dec 23, 2013, 12:38 #43234

    Tonights game is simply huge. Win and not only have we finally beaten a really big side but Wenger breaks the hold Mourinho has had over him as chelsea manager. Any doubts surrounding us will be dispelled and many people will see us as credible challengers for this years Premiership. Lose and it sees the end of a miserable four game run where we've gone from first to fourth in the league and missed yet another great chance of getting an easier ride to the Champions League quater finals. For me tonights game isn't so much about Arsenal versus chelsea but Wenger versus Mourinho. He's had Wengers number over previous years so it would give the whole Club a tremendous boost if Wenger finally got one over him. So good luck to chaps tonight and lets hope we're all celebrating xmas that little bit more on wednesday!!

  9. BADARSE

    Dec 23, 2013, 12:27 #43233

    Afternoon Ron. Funny how music can be timeless, different tastes and preferences. My son loves the Doors, Dylan, Weller all music that had largely come and gone before he started selecting. My buddy was turned on to Lennon by yours truly and George Harrison much more recently by myself. He is a GH junkie now. Must be that weeping guitar, ha ha. Yes my friend here's to us all for tonight.

  10. Spectrum

    Dec 23, 2013, 11:43 #43231

    Whatever happened to Park Chu-Young and Joel Campbell ? They never even get considered by Wenger as possible first team selections to ease the workload off Giroud. Hmmm. I wonder why ? " In Arsene we rust."

  11. Ron

    Dec 23, 2013, 11:19 #43229

    Morning guys Heres to it tonight! BADARSE - Matey i reckon its bigger than normal game. Losses to Man C and Uts plus an iffy draw v Everton makes this game v them 'big' seeing as our record v the top Clubs for a few years now is poor but mainly because we know, Wengers teams sulk and go into introvert mode after losses, as they seem to search for the validity behind Wengers inevitable excuses (hes so tiresome now) if we re turned over by Chelsea yet again. Anyway, sod football today. Ive got Clapton on loud right now, some Hendrix to follow and a Doors album ive not seen for ages, but picked up yesterday - LA WOMAN

  12. BADARSE

    Dec 23, 2013, 10:58 #43227

    Here's to us all Alsace.

  13. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Dec 23, 2013, 10:22 #43226

    Badarse. Can't agree with you more. In many ways its about how we all feel. You can go further and say that our exasperation with how the team is doing is because we make our existences more pleasant if our team is winning. Cutting through all of that, what I am talking about is doing your best or giving yourself your best chance to win. If you do that and lose to the better team then no complaints. What I can't stand is blowing it because we can't do the fundamentals. Let's hope for an enjoyable evening in any event.

  14. BADARSE

    Dec 23, 2013, 10:03 #43224

    Alsace, you have a very persuasive argument, and am basically in accord, as I always have been. Am both delighted on occasions with style, play, substitutions when it's what I want to happen, or surprise when it occurs against my perception and works.Irritated when my wishes aren't followed and it goes wrong. As with drivel like horoscopes it must be similar in your account, and I guess in most other outlooks. That is how we weigh and judge yes and no. It's just the quantity, the scale which we perceive as this or the other side of acceptability. My grandson's side is managed ineptly...in my opinion. Of course I am right, and talk with friends or family,(usually my long-suffering wife). Sadly it has no relevance. It's just my view and a groundswell of agreeing nodding dogs doesn't validate my views. We screamed on here for Fellaini as a DM. Well he isn't tearing up trees at OT. Most discuss tonight's game as make or break. It isn't. It would give a huge psychological boost and push us on, or damage the fabric of a suspected title-tilt. Yet the game after it is equally important in many ways because a win tonight and a surrender in the next game undoes it all, and vice-versa. It takes on unreal proportions because of what's gone before. Our perceived frailties, those not up for the fight, implosions when contenders, etc. We are a good squad, not by any means great. We are in contention with a number of good sides not great. MC have a plethora of top signings and I suppose as close as you might reasonably get to great in this day and age of 'hired gun' players. Plus Suarez doing an imitation of last season's RvP, which will carry them towards the title, but perhaps not over the line. Mourhino and his tactical awareness? I see the same approach. Surround yourself with expensive, and very good players, use the bedrock of Terry, Lampard, Cech, and then sit and wait for us to try to play football and muscle us out of it. Days of Drogba anyone? If as I expect the same tonight it could be balanced on an early strike or not. We shall see.

  15. Bard

    Dec 23, 2013, 8:36 #43223

    I think we are all agreed that tonight is huge, where we disagree is what happens next. I think we should beat Chelsea but Mourinho is too canny for Wenger. He will sit back and try to hit us on the break. A draw will suit him. And here's the rub I just don't think Wenger's got the tactical nous to outwit other top class managers on a consistent basis. In games like tonight you also need a top quality striker to make the difference aka Drogba and we dont have one. Win or lose this one and the season wont be lost but it may shape, as it should, whether Wenger signs a new contract.

  16. DW Thomas

    Dec 23, 2013, 5:26 #43222

    One last thing. At least Drogba is not starting!

  17. Dark Hei

    Dec 23, 2013, 5:07 #43221

    Here is my observation. We do play with 2 strikers as Walcott always occupy the central positions nowadays, especially when we have the ball. So it is not 100% true that we do not play with 2. We just do not have someone who can lead the line, other than OG, call him the main striker. Both Podolski and Walcott are playing 2nd striker/midfield hybrid role. Only Giroud is capable of reliable hold up play and bringing others in. While I think we do need competition for Giroud, classing him as an inferior player due to our own concepts of what are "world class" striker "should be" is just unimaginative. His shooting is lacking, but you will be hard pressed to find another one who can make our midfield as dangerous.

  18. DW Thomas

    Dec 23, 2013, 5:07 #43220

    I say this after 8 years having won nothing. Tomorrows game is the biggest of the last 4 o 5 years I think. Win and we are still in with a chance for the title. Lose and are 4th, our usual place. How depressing it would be. Tactically we must get the game right. It is our best and finest chance to prove ourselves. Lose the loser tag and tell the whole world we can beat the best when it matters. Fold, and we are the same old "4th is a trophy" team. Wenger hast to get the players up for it. No excuses. You wanna know how you get Capone, he sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the...to quote the same movie. The one I like better is about how everyone knows where the booze is, it's just being willing to cross that line. Are we prepared to do that? The Lord hates a coward. We must show we can get to that next level of eliteness, and be champions. Now is the moment. Will the man cometh? Or is Wenger nothin but a lot of talk and a badge? One of my favorite films.

  19. Danny

    Dec 22, 2013, 23:52 #43219

    tomorrow we play a top team managed by a very tactically astute coach. We third now and after the game we will be fourth, that's how must much faith i have this coach Inspector clueless In fact we will lose the game before it starts he plays the weak Carzola.

  20. JackL

    Dec 22, 2013, 23:51 #43218

    If we lose a game I,m depressed for a few days-but we haven't even played yet this weekend and that's how I feel. What a terrible bingo weekend-a full house-Manure, Citeh, Liverpool and Everton, and Spurs all winning. I sincerely hope we can pull something out of the bag tomorrow but we will have to be on absolute top form to do it, and Chelsea need an off day-what a way to be talking about our team who were top 48 hours ago. That's because we all know the truth, we've beaten some poor teams this year who we would normally draw against, and when it comes to the big boys we fail again. Only against Liverpool was it deserved, we were lucky against Spurs, and against Manure (psychological freeze up!) and Citeh, well, it was so predictable. And now AW is being set for a new contract, is that because of his financial prudence or what? PS I have been going to see AFC for virtually every game since 1963, so I've seen a few changes over the years. Surely the dream team of Dennis and Thierry would help us to get closer to the title. I still can't get over the abysmal 1st half v Everton from a team that was top of the table-what an opportunity wasted to have a significant cushion!!! Oh well, fingers crossed for tomorrow.......

  21. MARCUS

    Dec 22, 2013, 22:58 #43217

    If arsenal do not beat chelsea and lose then I think its time for wenger to go. He has run out of ideas. The last time we beat either Chelsea, Man city AND Man united was in 2011. That is when we beat Chelsea and we had a certain man called RVP it was 3-5 to arsenal away. We need to have that type of performance tomorrow. We can not afford to lose tomorrow. If we do we have basically given up on the title. ITS AS SIMPLE AS THAT.

  22. Big Andy

    Dec 22, 2013, 22:13 #43216

    The deeply frustrating thing is that everybody and his mother knew that there was no way that we could go into this season with just Giroud as a viable striker. With the useless Bendtner and Park, and the injured and inexperienced Sanogo as back-ups, we absolutely had to purchase a quality forward. But instead Wenger blew 42 million quid on an attacking midfielder, which was nice but not essential. Had we bought either Suarez or Higuian then that would have tipped the balance and turned us into a genuine title-winning side. Instead we'll probably finish 3rd or 4th again. I can't see us buying anybody of quality in this January window: most clubs just won't sell while they are still contending for trophies. So we're gonna miss out again.

  23. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 22, 2013, 19:48 #43215

    Bard, it would be a travesty is an understatement mate, but that's always been Ogl's way, always just short of what's needed just to prove everybody wrong.

  24. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 22, 2013, 19:30 #43214

    Joe Fitz 46103, I hear what your saying mate but that's always been part of the problem with wenger and this team, waiting for years for potential and second raters to come good.

  25. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Dec 22, 2013, 18:43 #43213

    Dear Badarse and Westie. Am happy to support the team because they are all doing their absolute best. They could get the job done with the right backing, but we have a moron moving the chess pieces. That is why Cesc and RVP and many others have left. In a rare case of self criticism Wenger apparently lamented the fact that he had taken Flamimi off against City. After 16 seasons he still doesn't know the basics. Will he do so if he is given 20? We could win tomorrow night but it is an absolute lottery as to whether he picks the right team and counters any substitutions that Mourinho makes. As so often before, we are riding our luck. Support Arsenal, and Support the Team for goodness sake but have the good grace to admit that managerial decisions are an important factor and that he gets many of the crucial ones(and obvious ones, even to those who have spent not one day in football)wrong. Zero out of 10 or so games against the Chelsea boss is statistically unexplainable, unless resources are very very different, or unless there is some other factor at work. That factor is incompetence.

  26. jjetplane

    Dec 22, 2013, 17:47 #43212

    Wenger on 5 Live earlier saying something about 'his focus is on this team' as though he were paving out an exit? Anyone hearing anything like this? Velly in-ter-esting. I guess Wally will be off to Hollywood or PSG..... Everton/Spuds looking to join compression - stuck between floors.

  27. Bard

    Dec 22, 2013, 17:15 #43211

    I think a lot will depend on how we fare over the festive period. I appreciate that buying in the jan window isnt ideal but we have such a terrific chance this year that it would be a travesty if we let it go without giving it a go. If we bought a couple or got 2 on loan and went down fighting I would be happy. Its not as if we havent spunked a fortune on transfers and wages over the last few years, so why not now. I agree its hard to see who we might get in but he presumably had a list that was slightly longer than just Higuain and Suarez.

  28. Ron

    Dec 22, 2013, 17:12 #43210

    Your absolutely right Joe. He ll stick with NB anyway mate. Its hard to see who else would be gettable anyway. Lets face it, buying whoever now would be just another feeble attempt to mask over his non efforts to acquire a striker in the Summer.Why should Wenger get away with it? The Ba rumours are equally troubling. Hes no more than a legend in his own lunch time only from what ive seen of him. Its hard to think that the buying of Ozil was anything other than just a sop to the fans, as he was lauding his midfield not long before he signed him. Ozils non shows in all the bigger games since makes that 42 Million quid look folly.

  29. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Dec 22, 2013, 16:51 #43209

    Ron- I hear what you are saying but I'm struggling to see who else Wenger could pull out of the bargain basement, I can''t see Wenger paying serious dough for a top striker. I pray that I'm wrong.

  30. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Dec 22, 2013, 16:39 #43208

    Bard- I'm not sure how bad Berbatov's injury is but if he's fit enough to play in jan/feb I'd take him because I think he'd link up well with our boys. Sanogo? Looks like another diabyesque perma-crock to me but you never know how these kids will develop in 3-4 years I suppose

  31. Ron

    Dec 22, 2013, 16:39 #43207

    Fresh Prince ... Hard to disagree but youve only touched the tip of the iceberg there, though youve not time to note the previous 7 years dismal events im sure. Joe - Hes (Berb) OK when everything is rosy in the garden. They say his 'languid style' is deceptive. Its time they described him how he is - hes an idle preening arrogant f----r who doesn't put it in, who Fergie saw through in a few months. Wdt touch him with a bargepole We have to just support NB as he s going to need games v the weaker opponents to get anything out of the guy.

  32. Bard

    Dec 22, 2013, 16:29 #43206

    Joe; I would take Berbatov. We arent going to sign anyone decent because it costs to much although apparently we got plenty. Berbatov would do a decent job. He's certainly got the skills and he would get a shedload of chances. I'd take him over Barry any day. Joe your forgetting we've Sangono in reserve, now that was a good piece of business.

  33. Fresh Prince of Islington

    Dec 22, 2013, 15:31 #43205

    New season, same predictable outcome. I'd just like to remind you all that "poor skint Arsene" who cannot compete, has spent more on a single player in Ozil than ANY club in PL history. Wenger's mismanagement started in the summer, when there was a chance with Suarez and the joker blew it with that joke bid that now makes the club look a farce. The next thing, was the blowing a 1-0 lead with 10 mins to go home to Everton. Before that, there was a pathetic usual surrender at OT. Then the destruction at Citeh where Wenger's total lack of tactical knowledge saw Wilshere play out wide, as players plodded along. Prior to that of course, we had the ridiculous sight of Arsenal players trying to time waste at 1-0 down in Napoli . We watched Higuain score a goal out of nothing, as our French carthorse plodded along, with the first touch of a bouncy castle. Giroud is maybe good enough to start at a Villa or Stoke . He's nowhere near the level of a serious CL club. At best, he's a third choice squad player a la Welbeck. Adebayor gets nowhere near the Spud team and he's 899 times superior to Giroud. Chesney who is being hilariously lauded, ain't good enough either . Flamini the great Ho or , was exposed for am average player at Napoli , at Citeh and even at OT. Every big game shows us why he was without a club when he signed (that's how good he is). Wenger has mismanaged Arsenal again , they are mentally weak cos of him and this will be Arsenal's NINTH year of trophyless farce . How much more of this ridiculous mismanagement should we take?

  34. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Dec 22, 2013, 14:47 #43204

    I'm probably gonna get slated for this but, would any of you take Berbatov in January over Bendtner? I hear he's unhappy at Fulham. Obviously not my first choice but we all know that Wenger doesn't like to flash the cash and Ba seems to want to fight for his place at Chelsea.

  35. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 22, 2013, 13:51 #43203

    BringBackDene, i hear you,they didn't look to exhausted necking beer with their masks and costumes in a night club midweek, you'd think if they were so tired and over played with the fixture list they'd be at home making the best of it. I wonder what the excuse/excuses will be (if needed)on Tuesday.

  36. jjetplane

    Dec 22, 2013, 13:28 #43202

    Damn right Dene. Bet those fellas ain't to busy when it's away from the stadia money hoovering. Should be a laugh as the two has beens go against each oter in the rain. If Wenger cannot outwit a complete nowhere man well that will be that. There has never been an easier match for us this season. Just to be a real bore Suarez has got the rest of his team flying and now Henderson takes a Ramsay slot. He was never going to Arsenal or RM and now will no doubt sweep every honour available. Oh yeah - & the mancs are back. Did mention earlier about the PL Compressor and the great squeeze out post boxing day. This is a positive post renedered in the style of negative capability. Wenger should try some instead of playing the overgrown child at the foot of a xmas tree. We're the east stand/........

  37. theopants superstar

    Dec 22, 2013, 13:19 #43201

    Never mind a knife, it's even worse if you turn up with just a cucumber!!

  38. BringBackDene

    Dec 22, 2013, 10:15 #43200

    Exhausted.......!!! £100K+ per week, and playing one maybe two games of football a week and it's only Christmas.....please do me a favor.

  39. Nas

    Dec 22, 2013, 0:50 #43199

    Please y'all stop associating Michu with arsenal. That dude is an average player. If that's the quality of player we r looking at to compete with giroud then we may just throw in the towel right now

  40. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 21, 2013, 22:52 #43198

    Terry, sorry to burst your bauble but there are other opinions about whether you like it or not, and unlike yourself we're not all sucking on Arsene's nipples, he's skinny enough.

  41. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 21, 2013, 22:22 #43197

    Dan h, good post although i'd be more inclined to say as far as Giroud is concerned his manager has run him into the ground.

  42. BADARSE

    Dec 21, 2013, 21:58 #43196

    Good man Green Hut, you make sense of the situation, thank you. Compliments of the season to all you love fella. Succinctly put Ron. One suggestion. I really rate Aguero as of the Suarez standard, though the latter is on fire at the moment. Still I think his fire will flare and dampen down, though a superb talent. Back to Aguero. I think he is a key player for them and missing for upwards of a month may knock them a little. Whether that proves to be the case or if so a significant loss we can but hope. We do not have one like him. Nor do perhaps eighteen others in the PL, that's how rare these top men are. We certainly need to begin performing and often the fillip any club needs is a good win. Monday, if it happened under any circumstances would be the win we desired. Of course as good as Aguero is a loss of Toure would perhaps hit them harder, it shows what strength they have. Too difficult to really compete as an equal. Just hope the party life over the next couple of weeks tests them in a different fashion. Team cohesion is the bottom line in any successful run of form, but it can evaporate at any time and seemingly when least expected. After Monday we shall all reconvene and no doubt reassess chum.

  43. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 21, 2013, 21:50 #43195

    N4, your right if he'd been at another top club, or went to one of these clubs that were supposedly head hunting him he wouldn't have lasted even half of the nine potless years he has with us, their fans wouldn't have put up with his pet projects and philosophies (maybe he knew that and that's why he stayed where he was). Yes we have been more than patient (far too patient)probably the most patient fans in world football but that's what happens when you support the manager more than the club.

  44. Green Hut

    Dec 21, 2013, 21:25 #43194

    BADARSE- Feel free to quote me on any post of said perceived tone, perhaps you're referring to a few blogs ago when I said that some fans have been fed up watching Wenger play ethics and morals with £8k of their hard-earned season ticket money since 2005. Certainly they have one extra reason to be disenchanted with the manager, and I think they're entitled to make that point, but does it give them an extra layer of loyalty and qualification above non match-going fans? Of course not, you have to assess a lifetime of support to make any kind of judgement. And the fact that I am currently a season-ticket holder is neither here nor there as I would make the same point even if I weren't, as it emphasises the chasm between the fan's hopes and dreams and Wenger's ultra-conservative philosophies. But tonight as we slide towards mid-table mediocrity (that's a joke, probably) I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas.

  45. Ron

    Dec 21, 2013, 21:20 #43193

    BADARSE - Evening mate. Chelsea cant score often enough and its as big as problem as we have. What they do have though is the reputation of teams of Mourinho s yesteryear past and that carries them along still and is enough to beat a great many teams before theyve stepped onto the pitch. City have what our invincibles had. Sheer pace and power. Theyve the luxury of being able to blow teams away in 20 mins like Henry and Co could and if they need it always have another 15 to 20 min blitz in them where they need it ie if they get pegged back. They have the firepower to do that.It allows them to conserve energy for the next games. Liv have Suarez and hes so good he surpasses most normal standards and teams are scared to death of him now. As a result holes open up in defences and gaps just appear from nowhere. The rest of his team are pretty shaky and are about on par with Chelsea, but less skilled than Arsenal. Arsenal have to perform at their best every game but are too weak physically to do it and thats compounded by a shot shy attack, but alleviated slightly by a creative middle. The middle has to always function though, other wise Arsenals inherently weak defence is badly exposed by the better teams. We dont have a range of gears, we just have one gear, but its always likely to struggle to engage. When it does we look a very poor team. Im as big an AW critic as the next guy as you know (Bard makes a very valid point about Wenger above) but on a good day when our gear does engage, we re close to being as good as City. We just cant improvise when the gearbox stalls though. City can, plus theyve more component parts to add to their vehicle to keep it constantly M O T d. We dont.

  46. BADARSE

    Dec 21, 2013, 21:00 #43192

    Hi Ron, exactly as I see it. We are a good bet for third, and though I expected before the season began Chavs and Oilers to be one and two I now think it may be two and one. We have the fire power to win on Monday of course, and providing we turn up and roll our sleeves up for the fight we could win it. Here's hoping.

  47. Ron

    Dec 21, 2013, 20:38 #43191

    Im still clinging to my daft notion that Wenger will at last break his duck v Mourinho this time. Chelsea are an ordinary team and not a shadow on the Mourinho teams he had in his first spell. The thing is whether Arsenal will freeze as theyve done so often over the last 8 years. If they do, they'll beat themselves just like they did at OT a few weeks back. Suspect we ll finish 3rd tbh. Chelsea for 2nd may be more durable than Arsenal over the whole season, City to win it. Liv 4th seeing as the spuds have blown up internally. I cant see Saurez remaining on fire all season and without him, theyre as ordinary as Chelsea.

  48. Roy

    Dec 21, 2013, 20:25 #43190

    You know, the sad thing is that it's entirely possible that we'll not get beat at home by Chavski or either of the Mancs, and still not win anything purely down to lack of squad depth. Ozil is good and his best is yet to come, but if we were going to do our b*****ks on a single player, that player should have been Suarez. Ok, so no change in numbers but there would have been clear daylight between us and second going into the new year.

  49. BADARSE

    Dec 21, 2013, 20:10 #43189

    Green Hut I accept your account but in the recent past a similar underlying tone appeared. My interpretation is a defensive one because I will take all sorts of nonsense, but I refuse to bend when it comes to the loyalty or qualification I possess for my team. If you say it's just the message board way, that's fine. However I don't know people other than their comments. I get a feel sometimes. Ironically I have an affinity with some I determine with opposing significant views whilst none at all with some who I align with over fundamentals. All a bit odd. Have said before I find this medium a trial. I make a very good friend or no friend at all. I don't do halfway houses on relationships. I respect most, pretty much all on this board, even those I see as having diametrically opposed views. I have learnt much even from the younger guns. It is Xmas, and as I don't doubt the depth of love you have for the Arsenal, and your sincerity, come here under the mistletoe with me! Seriously dude, I would like to think we are not so far apart. Life is very short, and there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend. Whoops, slipped into song mode again. In a good mood, been carolling with Ron who insisted on doing his body-popping routine right in the middle of Silent Night! Have a good Xmas Green Hut, and the best of new years.

  50. Terry

    Dec 21, 2013, 19:52 #43188

    I see the band of useless jelly spine, I can't support the team unless we win every week no class trash fans are back in force again. Go support a club more on your level. £iteh, £helsea, Victims and the famous history changing Spurs way are dying for losers like you to come to their nipples.

  51. Danny

    Dec 21, 2013, 18:35 #43187

    Tomorrow we will see Maureen outclass Wenger again tactically Thank god Wilshire is banned as he been crap and if Cazorla plays we tits up. we need physical players in the midfield to counteract Chelsea. Also we are third now and going down each game

  52. Bard

    Dec 21, 2013, 17:13 #43186

    I wholeheartedly agree with your post Joe. The problem as I see it is that Wenger's has slowly but surely lost his nerve. It's not a criticism but an opinion. it comes with getting older. The young gunslinger gives way to a more conservative, less competitive character. He dabbled with buying Suarez but it was only half hearted. The way things stand he would have been a snip at £50m but Wenger didnt have the balls to really test Liverpool. As it stands our best chance for a shot at the title will disappear in a puff of smoke unless he finds a sharp shooter in Jan. The moans about repetitive posts are a bore but I'm bored of watching groundhog day every season. We're always fighting campaigns short of 2 or 3 players and it always ends the same way in about Feb. I agree Joe I think praying is about our only hope and as for Wenger learning from his mistakes you must be joking.

  53. Dan h

    Dec 21, 2013, 16:56 #43185

    Massive game Monday AW has never beaten Mourinho it's a statistic that needs to change.Before the City game his comments showed me he never will learn from his mistakes of never planning for what the opponent has.It is a pivotal game in our season.For January I expect no one to come in Podolski coming back.Giroud has done a more than decent job for us is he top drawer no but he has run himself into the ground.Would certainly start Walcott Monday with Cole out of favour that could be where we can get at them a bit of pace to stretch them.

  54. Green Hut

    Dec 21, 2013, 15:47 #43184

    BADARSE- You're clearly an intelligent and educated man so I'm sure you knew perfectly well that I wasn't remotely suggesting that a match-going fan has any 'more of a case' than a non match-going fan. I would imagine most on here have had at some point to give up attending regularly due to financial or time commitments elsewhere and that situation is very fast approaching for me, indeed I travel away rarely these days and it would be ridiculous to suggest that it diminishes my status as a fan. The point I was making was that many of the fans you brand as negative are nothing of the sort and express positivity in other arenas whilst saving their gripes for messageboards such as this where it has absolutely zero effect on the team. They just want the best for their club, as do we all.

  55. dartford gooner

    Dec 21, 2013, 15:23 #43183

    Bloody hell i would take Shane Long in front of what we have in reserve, even give Wells at Bradford or Rhodes a go, even if they flop the money they would cost can't be as big a waste as Gervinho or Park or Santos

  56. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Dec 21, 2013, 15:07 #43182

    Claude- Real Madrid are a funny club and have been known to throw away good players too easily, Sneijder won the champions league with inter after getting out of there and Özil hasn't even peaked yet. Higuain is a far superior finisher than Giroud but I admit lacks the mobility of Suarez or the skill of RVP. Sanogo may be injured but from what I've seen of him he isn't going to be ready for 3-4 years tops and that's if he lives up to his full potential and somehow shakes off his injury curse.

  57. jjetplane

    Dec 21, 2013, 15:07 #43181

    Somehow Wenger and Mourhino have got more in common than they might have wanted. Both have a teamsworth each of ticky tacky midfielders who love to come over all regal against inferior opposition. Monday could be retro time for the leader of the chavs and it will be down to Arsenal to break them down. Just hope Arsenal are not feeling rusty mid way through party season (with Coley in the fold!) 'cause now we are chasing Liverpool and the happiest player in the universe. Who would have thought that. Re the posting and the repetitive nature of everything I give you 'the Circles that you Find/In the Windmills of your Mind'. Me - I'm sticking with Thunderclap Newman ..... cause the revolutions' here. One circle tells me these two managers are ready for the great golf course in the .....

  58. N4

    Dec 21, 2013, 15:06 #43180

    Badarse: It's like when you are in love. You just know you are and in AW case supporters like me have known since a very long time. I think the same question goes to you as well do you want to face the reality of the fact that Arsenal is all about accounts or scared to know that you maybe wrong?!! Another answer of AW is was he at Chelski or the Supds he would have been out a long long time ago! Maybe Arsenal fans have been more than patient...while they look around and changes are made everywhere else except us?!!!

  59. Claude

    Dec 21, 2013, 14:47 #43179

    Higuain among the global elite? Who knew? Certainly not a string of coaches at Real Madrid. Giroud, despite being out of form and not scoring for a few games, has an almost identical record of goals and assists to Higuain. We were right to put Higuain aside and go for Suarez. Problem is we should have made a serious bid, instead of trying to be such clever dicks with that extra pound. Finally Joe, you don't seem to realise that Sanogo is injured.

  60. The Statistician

    Dec 21, 2013, 14:42 #43178

    Stop all the doom and gloom. As has been pointed out previously, statistically it has been proven that the last 10 years have been more successful than the glorious 30's. These are the good times. Enjoy!

  61. BADARSE

    Dec 21, 2013, 14:39 #43177

    N4. Well the song you hear again and again, is perhaps because I too hear the same song again and again. So touché! I am reminded that Green Hut goes to the Arsenal regularly which I assume he believes gives him more of a case. I think not! He hammers a theme, possibly I too. I don't do it to spread harmony and light. I don't really give a hoot whether an individual rates or doesn't rate Giroud for instance. However if I think the criticism is unfair, narrow or misguided I will suggest that. Exchange is the fundamental objective surely. As for positives, yes I look for those. Sometimes I have to search very hard. Unless I have a worthwhile point I usually stay silent. Arsenal is vital for me, but just a small part of my remit. Being an Arsenal fan isn't enough to win plaudits from me, though I do begin on friendly positive terms with all. People who put up walls and burn bridges don't figure on my Xmas card list, whether as Arsenal fans or not. Tired? Often, but thanks for the concern. One point, do you know for sure Arsene Wenger is more worried about accounts? You may be right, but you may be wrong.

  62. MARCUS

    Dec 21, 2013, 14:23 #43176

    Look, Monday is a big game for us. We have to win that match no IFS OR BUTS. I'm sorry but if we lose that will be three in a row. That is not good enough and we will have lost to all the big teams as per USUAL so far smh. It will also confirm we can not beat the top sides. Which means one of three things. Either we are not good enough or we are not well prepared or mentality the team is weak. I think its the former. So wenger is responsible for all three. We just need to beat a top team in the prem i.e man city, chelsea and man u. Also Giroud is not good enough. His finishing is atrocious. Look Higuain is just as slow as Giroud but his a way better finisher.

  63. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 21, 2013, 14:19 #43175

    We've often asked ourselves that question Joe, and often did we really want a certain player in the first place and were they realistic, and was any effort actually made to sign them, Ozil being the exception of course at the very last minute, and not likely to be another, and it's still being asked whose signing was he. Another question is where would we be now if we hadn't flogged all our best players for profit over the last couple of years or so. Yes we have the power of B & S to call upon (and we know what BS stands for) maybe OGL was watching Eldorado when Mississippi brought his knife to a gunfight and succeeded, after all it was a western and there's plenty of carthorses in those. But he did change later on to a shotgun where he was hitting anything that moved maybe this is what OGL intends to do, not likely i know certainly not with a purdy anyway but there are plenty of cheap shotguns about which would be more to his liking. Has he really learned from mistakes? not if last Saturday was anything to go by.

  64. N4

    Dec 21, 2013, 14:11 #43174

    Joe: I think it was a very good article but somehow I think you were a bit soft on AW. It was his call to get players but instead he flirted with them and panic buy after thelost against Villa!!! He splashed the cash on one player only!!!...of course apart from the freebies! BADARSE: as much as I like your positivity but it sounds like a song we've all heard many times! However, I respect you more than WESTLOWER who is more of a go and F88k yourself type of bloke...but you Badarse seems to fight hard to make us believe...I wonder if you ever get tired at all!!! How many times we were supposed to buy players that the team need but AW doesn't...simply because he thinks more of the account books! We need a manager of FOOTBALL not a manger of Accounts!!! I say thank you AW for the few throphies but now the time has changed and Arsenal need changes!

  65. CanadaGooner

    Dec 21, 2013, 13:56 #43173

    Liverpool V Cardiff; half-time and Liverpool have already raced off to a 3 - 0 lead. That's what Arsenal have to learn to do, if we're going to win anything. We had Hull City by the short & curlies and didnt take advantage. We dont have that 'killer instinct' to deliver a sound beating of our opponents. The toothless displays at OT and at home against Everton is what's going to do us over yet again

  66. BADARSE

    Dec 21, 2013, 13:31 #43172

    @Green Hut, if the observations-no matter how seemingly unrelated-give a possible reason for the problem at our feet it should be valid. Yes you are privileged to go every other week, and I commend you for your commitment. As mentioned before you choose your path, I will choose mine. Both forever grateful we don't sit next to each other. grateful

  67. Green Hut

    Dec 21, 2013, 13:15 #43171

    BADARSE- Some of us spend 90 minutes every other week supporting the 11 players on the pitch, whoever they are, then come on here to voice our concerns and bemoan our disappointments. I think that's reasonable, and as SGRB said if the gripes are repetitive it's because the situations are repetitive. But I do agree with your version of hell though, in fact there's someone on here who spends as much time expressing his disillusionment with modern society, it's values and it's morals as he does talking about The Arsenal. Very repetitive and very negative, but you should do what I do, read the first 2 lines, realise it's no different and move on to the next post. It's just a messageboard. Joe Fitzpatrick is right of course, Higuain is proven for club and country, Wenger wanted him, he wanted to come, thought he was coming and we had/have the money to pay the asking price which was reasonable by todays standards. No excuses, it's just Wenger's way.

  68. John Gooner

    Dec 21, 2013, 12:39 #43170

    I don't want Wenger to waste any more of the money the club extort from us on pointless signings. Keep Wenger away from the money and allow the new manager to stamp his mark in the summer (before transfer deadline day for once). Wishful thinking I know, but I can't wait for the day when we have a manager who takes the simple step of making sure we have the resources to compete at the right level before the season starts.

  69. BADARSE

    Dec 21, 2013, 12:32 #43169

    Thank you for the response Joe. As I indicated you are pretty close, so too the other comments on here. I just don't see it happening which is not a counter-view. People insisting that we need a certain requirement is acceptable, but if another believes it can't/wont happen the views do not conflict. Bendtner will definitely struggle as a lone striker, he is not capable of this role. However he is here, with us and would only be released if an alternative was found. Finances? Do we have the cash for a purchase and a contract? Possibly. All obstacles. Meanwhile the season continues and we grind along. I'm not the Scrooge character in the Online Gooner's Panto this Xmas, that role was nabbed by westlower, I am Mr. Fezziwig in this season's production, truly. The PL as you say, is the place to look. Where is Ron, has he got the hump because the only part he was offered again was him as Widow Twanky? Look out 'wetsie', he's behind you!

  70. CanadaGooner

    Dec 21, 2013, 12:12 #43168

    Joe - myself and a few others on here (e.g. Maguiresbridgegooner, gooner lee etc.) have been saying this for a long, long, time. History only remembers the trophies and not the near misses. I feel sorry for Wenger sometimes, but his stubbornness is what has really hurt Arsenal in the last 9 years, and not our inability to spend crazy-money. While Chelsea and City (and Man Utd before them) were spending big and competing for doubles, trebles and quadruples, Arsenal could have kept on quietly winning the odd FA Cup and League Cup here and there, till we've paid off the stadium and then spent the £42M on Ozil. But after 2005, Wenger speedily go rid of the club's backbone of experienced players (Pirez, Gilberto etc), most of whom went on to deliver another 2 - 3 brilliant seasons elsewhere. He thought he had the magic wand to make champions out of kids like Fabregas, Clichy and the rest of them. And when he got found out, he kept at it, instead of changing tactics as Fergie did over the years. There is no doubt in my mind that Wenger has lost what it takes to win trophies. We will need a miracle at some point to win again - very depressing.

  71. Westlower

    Dec 21, 2013, 12:00 #43167

    To all of those of you who have lost faith in your team, go hang your heads in shame. May you get the results your miserable support deserves. Bah, humbug!!

  72. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Dec 21, 2013, 11:51 #43166

    Badarse - the comments will stop repeating indefinitely when the seasons stop repeating indefinitely. The cue comes from the club.

  73. jeff wright

    Dec 21, 2013, 11:49 #43165

    We obviously do need a top striker and Wenger's comments about Suarez last week confirm this. Money talks and Liverpool were prepared to give Suarez loads of it ,while Arsene tried to buy him on the cheap with a silly 40m and a quid bid. Bringing in Ozil is like employing a uniformed chauffeur while not having a Rolls Royce for him to drive. Wenger will not be splashing the cash in January either he has already said what he thinks we need to do win the Prem it was all about manning up and having self-belief and then seeing where we are in May - and then going on about seeing if we have acquitted properly ourselves by having done our best to win the Prem . Wenger's comments before the Napoli game regarding resting players for the City one showed that his priorities lie in Europe.I suspect that the tie with Bayern Munich is already weighing heavily on his mind - and he has probably convinced himself that he already has the players that he can beat the Germans with.

  74. Joe Fitzpatrick

    Dec 21, 2013, 11:39 #43164

    Badarse- I agree with you that we have to be more positive as a fanbase in general and get behind whoever pulls on the beloved red and white shirt but logically I just can't see Bendtner as a realistic option because his one strength is that he is ok in the air but we just don't seem to put enough accurate crosses into the box under Arsene Wenger. Smithy- interesting shout regarding Pato but I'd like to see someone come in with experience of the premier league and who could hit the ground running.

  75. BADARSE

    Dec 21, 2013, 11:29 #43163

    Thank you Joe, but you see what you have done, don't you? Suddenly everyone goes into a tailspin. Any uninitiated person reading the comments would wonder what on earth was wrong with AFC, and it's supporters. Most of what is posted is truly felt by the posters and isn't far off the mark, but it's like reading of a train crash over and over again. After a while you become desensitised. Yes Giroud is a lone gunslinger, and neither Theo or the Pod are the answer as back up, they would be emergency measures, no more. Sanogo isn't really going to figure but Bendtner will. He is our option, for better or for worse and it is not a surprise that I am writing this. If Arsene has a man in his sights then great, but realistically Bendtner will carry our hopes, so get supporting him, or continue in willing him to fail. Your call. The rest of the posts are critical of the French, and Arsene Wenger. I suppose these posts are designed for that very purpose, to repeat indefinitely. If there was a hell Richard, then mine would be being trapped in a lift with someone who repeats the same line over and over. Brain-numbing. If you engage in a chat with a person about politics, for instance, and he bitches about the EU you could discuss. The subsequent time you engaged you wouldn't expect him to resurrect the same gripe. If he did I would close the discussion down. Actually I have described a UKIP individual, and the first chat wouldn't get off the ground, so there'd be no need to consider a second conversation with him. Anyway in a nutshell, Arsene doesn't know what he is doing, Giroud can't really cut it, Bendtner is useless, we won't deliver in any way this season, and we have failed miserably in recent years when the going gets tough, and this squad is no different to the other questionable squads we have had. Mm, should I apologise for supporting Arsenal, as I don't share this negativity. I banish you Eeyores to the far corner of the field.

  76. smithy

    Dec 21, 2013, 11:23 #43162

    Wenger when it comes to strikers still shops in Netto or Tescos reduced and slightly damaged section.I would take a 40yr old plus kevin philipps over sanogo or Bendtner.We need to buy 2 forwards in Jan to help take the load off giroud.We need a world class forward WHO wants to play for Arsenal.I'm not sure Benzema does.I could say names here but I think Wenger won't sign anyone like that.I think he is more likely to sign a gamble like the peruvian lad from barca or Pato from Brazil.Not that I want us to, but I think the car will run out of petrol before the finish line.We need more fuel and more importantly more quality fuel to take us way beyond the finishing line.

  77. Stroud Green Road Boy

    Dec 21, 2013, 11:22 #43161

    Part of what went wrong in 2008 is that rather than strengthen in January, Wenger actually weakened the squad by letting Diarra go. There were then injuries to Fabregas and Flamini, and the squad couldn't cope. The Eduardo incident - and the Gallas strop - were damaging but Eduardo was not a first choice player. The idea that his injury totally derailed the season is a myth.

  78. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Dec 21, 2013, 10:45 #43160

    It was not the Martin Taylor "tackle" on Eduardo that cost us the 2008 title. It was the usual AW "oh everyone wants to stop us playing our beautiful football" and then going into a sulk when strangely, the opposition didn't want to just stand around and applaud when AFC stroked the ball around. After that game the club were 5pts clear at the top of the table, in March, and somehow managed to finish 4 pts behind. And you know why? Because when the going gets tough, AW bottles it every time. Any historian will tell you that the French lost WW2 whilst they were still fighting it. Nothing much has changed in the 74 years since. And if a side containing Fabregas, RvP, an on-it Adebayor and Sagna on the top of his game couldn't bring home the bacon, this current one has a cat's hell in chance of doing anything likewise.

  79. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Dec 21, 2013, 10:31 #43159

    Mr Dee is absolutely correct. The only thing standing in the way of beating Chelsea, or at least having a chance of beating them is Wenger. It's the midfield numbnuts. We have to win the game there. At least Wilshire isn't available to be thrown to the wolves. We need Flamini and Nacho / Vermalen at least in there to have a hope of stopping Chelsea's inevitable control of the centre. But such a strategy is not "Bon Chic Bon Genre". OGL would far rather stick to his principles and lose the game ...AGAIN. Let's hope that Bould can get the right players on the pitch, and that those players have a winning game plan. It's possible, but it's going to be a gutty night.

  80. Noodles

    Dec 21, 2013, 10:08 #43158

    Sadly this is where the normal Wenger will show his colours and sit on his pile of cash ... It's the same as a few years ago when we were looking at winning the leauge with Ade barn door bagging them in for fun pre Xmas the he struggled and we needed some firepower and wenger did nothing! I hope I'm wrong but it's all a bit groundhog day ......again!

  81. chris dee

    Dec 21, 2013, 9:59 #43157

    We can already write this season off ,we will be fighting for fourth place again by the end of the season. We had three tough games where we could really have put down a marker for the rest of the season.Napoli away where we could have confirmed top spot lost timidly 2-0,City away where we could have maintained a good lead at the top of the table with just a draw,not just beaten but thrashed 6-3. And now we face Chelsea on Monday.We hear all the talk about having a good chance of beating Chelsea, but deep down we know what's gonna happen,deep down we know our team,deep down we know how we react to well organised tough tackling hard bitten opponents who are good on the break.Our managers reaction is to 'not worry about the opposition just concentrate on our game'as if we had won every trophy available in the last few years playing that way.As always against Mourinho's Chelsea it will light fluffy cuddly Arsenal against a bunch of cold eyed killers. I really really hope I'm wrong and that I can enjoy Christmas day.

  82. Shu

    Dec 21, 2013, 9:55 #43156

    Yes spot on but when we have had the opportunity to go , atrengthen and push on he has never bought , i doubt he will this Jan

  83. northbank123

    Dec 21, 2013, 9:35 #43155

    Well-written article and I agree with more or less everything - we aren't going to win anything with Giroud as our sole striking option. Don't think we need another holding midfielder though (how many does a squad need??) and don't rate Luiz in that position anyway. How can somebody who lacks the discipline to play CB play DM?