The Pragmatic One

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The Pragmatic One


As at Old Trafford earlier this season - another very dull affair - Jose Mourinho sent his Chelsea side out to ensure they did not lose on opposition territory. They created some chances, but the priority was preventing the home team from scoring. And so, the 90 minutes that ensued were a dull old affair.

Certainly, the conditions provided mitigating circumstances. The wind was so bad outside the stadium that many of the scarf and hat sellers did not set up as their stalls threatened to be blown down the road. However, one doubts Chelsea’s approach would have been much different even if it were a balmy summer’s evening.

They nullified the Gunners, who were unable to breakthrough more than a couple of times. Giroud enjoyed the best opening, shooting wide in the second half with just Cech to beat. It was a huge chance, and not the first such opportunity the player has missed against Chelsea. Another came later, but was well saved. And that was pretty much it in terms of genuine chances. Frank Lampard hit the bar in the first half and there were a few shots from the visitors that did not require too much brilliance from Szczesny. Having seen the replay of the challenge on Walcott that might have been a penalty, I have seen them given, but perhaps Theo played for it a little bit. A 50/50, but a bit careless from Willian.

There was some tidy interplay between Ozil and Rosicky, but it led to nothing. Arsenal’s standout performers were the centre-backs, Arteta and Rosicky. No-one else really performed with great distinction. Chelsea did not allow them to. There were a fair number of empty seats. Some would have not come regardless of the weather due to the close proximity of the game to Christmas, whilst some would have had trouble getting home due to transport issues. I doubt too many of them regretted not making the game.

It’s a result that leaves five teams within two points of each other at the top of the table. What Arsenal need to do now is try to take maximum points from the games that follow between now and the visit to Anfield in February – the fixture list reads as follows -
West Ham away
Newcastle away
Cardiff home
Villa away
Fulham home
Southampton away
Palace home

And then things get interesting with the next eight fixtures including Liverpool, Manchester United, Tottenham, Chelsea and Manchester City. Not only do Arsenal need to be in a strong position coming into these matches, they will need to do better than they have managed against Everton, Manchester City and Chelsea in the last three weeks. An absolute minimum 17 points are required from the immediate seven league games. They cannot afford to drop cheap points unless they are going to start winning the majority of their matches against their principal rivals. But the evidence of the season so far suggests that teams who set out to deny them do not find it too difficult. Liverpool were more attacking, whilst Manchester City beat Arsenal at their own very open game. Everton, United and Chelsea contained the Gunners and all secured the results they sought.

So it is a matter of beating the teams they should, and taking enough points from their other matches. A draw last night was not a disaster. Privately, Arsene Wenger might have accepted it before the game simply to ensure confidence was not drained further after recent reverses. However, there is a question of whether or not certain players are looking jaded. Giroud and Ramsey were generally ineffectual, and have both suffered a predictable dip after cracking seasons up to the end of November. Theo Walcott, who should be full of running, put in a poor display. Given that the team were struggling, it was a mystery as to why Cazorla and Podolski remained on the bench. Mesut Ozil seems to be suffering the first season syndrome that many imports do. A few nice touches, but he is too often peripheral rather than influential.

It’s no crisis, second on goal difference at Christmas, but something is missing at the moment. The re-introduction of Podolski should certainly help matters, but the lack of chances created – given the personnel available – is a concern. The question is whether or not the Gunners have lost their mojo or just gone through a mid-season trough. By the end of New Year’s Day, we will have a very good idea as to the answer to that question. It would be very ironic if the botched attempt to sign Luis Suarez last August were to prove Arsenal’s downfall, but it is beginning to feel that way.

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  1. Chris

    Dec 30, 2013, 19:59 #43427

    Danny - who's the clueless clown now, you negative joker? Wind your neck in in future until you've got something vaguely insightful or intelligent to contribute.

  2. Arsenal4life

    Dec 27, 2013, 9:41 #43333

    How on earth some of you survive in this world amazes me. How does one live with so much negativity? Can't you just enjoy the fact that your team is joint top at Christmas,against all expectations(including yours truly).i honestly wonder what some of you would have been doing if the season had gone as expected, and were 8th or 9th at Xmas, maybe 15 points off the top? For crying out loud, Liverpool with Suarez are still level on points with us. Manc,with the best squad, still have less number of points than us. Chelsea are behind too. We didn't get all these points by luck, we actually played games and won the points. Outside of Aston villa, the points we've dropped are not unneccesary, unlike all our rivals.

  3. It is all downhill from here reality has arrived

    Dec 25, 2013, 19:02 #43316

    Chelsea city everton each reminded us all of our limitations as a team. ozil was one but we need 3 or 4. top players that is. we are in a race for 4th with the rest and it is harder this time than ever before. in Jan well be out of the cup and in feb out of the CL. Weve all enjoyed August to December but fact is we are underinvested as a club and should now go out in Jan and again in the summer and pick up 2 or 3 more top players. otherwise we are going to struggle further.

  4. GaryFootscrayAustralia

    Dec 25, 2013, 13:58 #43315

    Finsbury Joe = Dwight Hart Lane.

  5. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 25, 2013, 12:15 #43311

    Some great comments, this blog clearly is one of the few to bring sanity to Arsenal fans, who currently support a bunch of pampered over paid fairies managed by a guy with zero ambition and controlled by an AKB fanbase Top six this season but wenger will remain, along with his flops. It is not just the traditional big boys who will finish above arsenal this season, mark my words

  6. ITK

    Dec 25, 2013, 11:13 #43310

    All is not lost, 4th is still achievable. Did Theo even beat his full back once? Did Ozil turn up? Is Giroud good enough to lead a top premiership team? Answers are no. Podolski like Theo is better when not on the pitch. Which player was subbed more than any other in the history of the EPL? Podolski. He cannot play on the wing. People have short term memories. Balance, options and tactics are needed in the team. Sadly we are too predictable. Have a good xmas. Regards ITK.

  7. Don

    Dec 25, 2013, 9:21 #43309

    Our record in the last 9 games v City Utd and Chelsea combined is 3pts out of 27!!!! The Chelsea game was always going to be a combative game yet our clueless manager left our most combative midfielder Flamini on the bench.Wenger really does my head in.At the start of the season Flamini was holding our midfield together allowing Rambo and Ozil to play there natural game as well as his leadership qualities he brings.Arteta brings nothing to the party.Once again the season will go down the pan with the objective again being finishing 4th.My christmas wish a new manager with ideas and tactics

  8. jed

    Dec 25, 2013, 5:45 #43308

    Chris Dee - statistics don't mean anything to you then!!!

  9. DW Thomas

    Dec 25, 2013, 5:04 #43307

    What a boring match! Sure the weather was bad, mikel's foul on Arteta a red, but we looked so toothless. Ramsey was his old sel again...poor passing in key areas to allow counter attacks. To think we could have had Hazard? Giroud's miss was again embarrassing. And where are there any real leaders that take that type of game by the scruff of the neck and win it!? Walcott too was asleep. We deserve more effort from this team. If I was Wenger I wouldn't have subbed either...would anyone on the bench have changed the game? Maybe Santi. We are falling fast and must bounce back quickly. Still, can those stats of 18 losses to the big boys the last 5 years really be true? How pathetic. We are only all about that 4th place finish. All else is truly secondary. No taste of glory I fear.

  10. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 24, 2013, 23:40 #43306

    Is that Santa clause i hear? lets hope he's brought OGL a proper striker but we'll have to wait as we're the last to hear about it anyway.

  11. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 24, 2013, 23:27 #43305

    jjetplane, yes i very much doubt we'll get the same freedom of the park against the cardiffs etc, etc, as we did, most of their coaches are quick on the up take and have actually got a tactical brain. And yes it's a pity Wilshire doesn't concentrate as much on Arsenal and his game as he does on his tweeting and his silly tattoos then maybe he'd be a better player than he is, and he might have been available last night. And the same goes for the 100k a week wally if he could play the game as good as he talks it in interviews he'd be the best in the world.

  12. Th14afc

    Dec 24, 2013, 21:00 #43304

    Just a quick one....how mike dean is allowed to referee any arsenal game is beyond me when he is so blatantly biased its unbelievable!i detest the man!his record in our games is shocking...right off to wrap more pressies,merry Christmas!

  13. unchives

    Dec 24, 2013, 20:51 #43303

    Where is Simon Rose when you need one? Man Utd, Everton, Man City and now Chelsea.....all key fixtures.....FAILED. We have only one striker, Chelsea have no striker, even Man Utd & Spurs are catching up. Champions in MAY.....NO CHANCE unless we get a quality striker.

  14. Danny

    Dec 24, 2013, 20:31 #43302

    Well I called it. Arsenal are slipping downhill. Cannot beat the tactically good coaches and teams that harasses them up field. I believe Arsenal will lose to West ham and Newcastle and that will show us where we are truly - 4th-5th place club. We all knew it would happen, they cannot beat the top 4 teams and Wenger is found wanting again. Why on earth he is still regarded a top manager. Bewilders me. The idiot or clueless one has to go. He is just a arrogant clown, complains about should have won the game We had one shot in the game and that after 80mins. Outclassed and out bulled by a superior coach Oh !that Ozil, is a waste of space

  15. Ron

    Dec 24, 2013, 20:25 #43301

    Evening guys and happy xmas to you all. The winnable run of fixtures theme needs a rest though. Can you really see our featherweights rolling West Ham over when Allardyce must ensure theyre fired up for that? Can you see us rolling over Pardews Toon, a stadium where we have an abysmal record? Villa? We ve not lost there since 1998, the day the parachutist hit the main stand there (was anybody else there for that) The law of averages says this floppy lot are ripe for a loss there even.No guys, we re rubbish v the top teams and the bottom ones will fancy us now too. Get ready for a few lost points. The wheels are off Wengers season now (as usual) and its only the pre big game favourable fixtures that served to get us where we are now. Its reality time from here and right now this team looks shot.

  16. GoonerGoal!

    Dec 24, 2013, 19:32 #43300

    Some may wonder why no comments from me since the early part of the Season. The reason is really quite simple; I have been biding my time. It appears that December has become Wenger’s new November, and right now his Arsenal team is running on quicksand trying very hard simply to remain in touch with those around them. Anything less than 15 points from the next seven games will signal the end of any title challenge, because gaining even 7 points from the following eight games is likely to prove beyond this team, leaving them to struggle just to hold on to 4th spot. The signs are not good, Wenger’s tactical acumen is still non-existent, once again his team lacks character when the going gets tough, and visible leadership on the pitch is absent when Flamini is not on the pitch. Surely it’s not Groundhog Season yet again, is it? Yes, I’m afraid it is… unless a huge January spend is forthcoming. VIVE LA REVOLUTION!

  17. jjetplane

    Dec 24, 2013, 18:46 #43299

    When I talk of Sherwood I don't mean him or the spuds as such as it really is obvious they don't know what they're doing. Simply stating the case again of the chasm that is building between the new young passionate coach type and the dewey eyed dinosaurs that inhabit - well a few London clubs. When you see the squad exhuberance on show Merseyside and the enjoyment the players are having I wonder why Arsenal and ... Chelsea appear so dour and defeatist. When we were doing OK I still felt Wenger at a distant from the pitch play and I reckon he is now on this global club trip so beloved of the mancs and scousers. Looking at Thierry the other night on MOTD you just knew he would have loved to have said a lot more while Shearer 'cleaned his boots'. I am quite worried about the next few games and the 'distance' talked of has an infectious way about it. If Tony Adams was aroung i know what he would do with JW's phone. Also imagine he would have a few words with 'happy go lucky' Wally. Could not of course give a rat's arse for the fate of the spuds but a shake up anywhere in the top 8 (?) clubs has consequences for all concerned. Peace.

  18. Bard

    Dec 24, 2013, 18:32 #43298

    jjetplane; sorry mate, the Sherwood appointment is a joke. At this level you need a whole lot more than he's got. The top class games are hugely tactical and nuanced which is why Wenger has been left behind. His broad brush stroke view is at odds with the modern game, its why Mourinho does him up like a kipper every time we play them. I know I must sound like a stuck record but unless he buys well in the Jan window he's a dead man walking. He's been absolutely terrific but he lost his mojo years ago.

  19. CanadaGooner

    Dec 24, 2013, 17:55 #43297

    @jjetplane - I dont disagree with your comments re; smaller teams now standing up more to Arsenal, now they can see we're just a bunch of playground bullies and cant mix it in with the big boys. But I strongly disagree with your comment re; Tim Sherwood. One thing I've learnt in my over 30 years following Arsenal, is that we cant learn ANYTHING from Tottenham. At least in my lifetime, I havent witnessed anything done at Spurs, that I would even remotely think Arsenal could emmulate. Their appointment of Sherwood is as ridiculous as anything they've done to date: he is never going to be any better. All he's done is revert to the classic Spurs setup and do the opposite of what AVB did (any fool could do that). Play Defoe and Adebayor and the disgruntled players AVB stupidly benched, and they'll play out of their skins and win the first few games; and then what? Sherwood lacks immagination, is unproven (even worse than AVB - who atleast won some titles with Porto); what has Sherwood done to deserve a Premier League Manager's job? Football is no longer what is was 40 years ago; the good managers out there are good because they have a nuance (e.g. Mourinho has won all over the globe, with several clubs). Sherwood will last a few months at best. When Arsenal finally grow some, and usher Wenger out, we will need to go and hire a proper manager; not a trainee.

  20. John Abrehart

    Dec 24, 2013, 17:52 #43296

    Taking up 'Stevesam's' point regarding television manipulation of match dates, I agree that the total disregard of the consideration of the supporters is something that is ruining the competitions. They could schedule Newcastle v Southampton or vice-versa for a monday 8-00pm kick off without any regard for the travelling arrangements of the visiting fans, most of whom will miss work the next day. The Gunners have suffered recently in the Napoli game week and lost a day compared with our rivals. Apart from this, television channels are now setting their own agenda, talking up trivia and engaging in over the top speculation; why won't the commentators just shut and let us watch the game, I know who the players are? Apart from switching off the sound or listening to the '5 Live' commentary, my personal crusade is not to buy any of the products advertised and switching off, and I mean 'OFF' until a minute before kick off and again at half time. If others followed suit, it just might persuade others to do the same and perhaps force the TV gods to change things!!

  21. jjetplane

    Dec 24, 2013, 17:16 #43295

    We will see if the 'easier' teams roll over like they have done now they have seen us in some cases have a harder time with the big boys. West Ham will be a hard match as will the others and whether some of our big names will relish it up till february is also another matter. The despondency in a club purporting to be trophy chasing is really shocking. Wenger talked of the spirit in the squad during their party pieces. It's all he ever talks about - the spirit .... Wally reckons it was the craziest game he ever played and yet he was absent for most of it! JW is back on the tweets so that will keep him busy into the new year. It looks like its the younguns on merseyside who are now setting the pace and laugh all we want - Sherwood being given the job at Totts is the kind of shake-up we could do with. Younger, more passionate coaches/managers (familiar?) saying and doing all the right things at their respective clubs. Both Mourinho and Wenger are now out of their league and yes - time to call in GOD! May the rain gods spare you.

  22. smithy

    Dec 24, 2013, 17:12 #43294

    Squad not good enough.we specialise currently in passing backwards or sideways.our attacking moves are way too slow.We need a plan b- be it a long throw into the box,or a new ian wright type striker- we are far too predictable against top sides.what did Wenger do to change the game -study his coat zip.

  23. CanadaGooner

    Dec 24, 2013, 16:59 #43293

    I keep going back to the Everton home game and the Man Utd away game; both should have got us an extra 5 points. Drawing any of the top teams at home, provided we dont lose to them away, isnt a big deal (but we have already lost away to both Citeh and Utd); so, can we beat those teams at the Emirates? -- UNLIKELY. And certainly not with a display like what we put up against Chelski last night

  24. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 24, 2013, 16:50 #43292

    theopants superstar, good post, maureen didn't saunter through the front door last night shaking hands with everybody and laughing and smiling and even joking throughout the match and looking unconcerned for nothing.

  25. CanadaGooner

    Dec 24, 2013, 16:49 #43291

    Thank goodness I missed that game. Wenger's record against Mourinho is nothing short of an embarrassment. I am however, maintaining my stance, that if we can go off to West Ham and smash 'em, and if we keep 'winning' (and not drawing) those kinds of matches, we will still win the league this year; as I am not yet convinced that Chelsea and Man City wont drop more points to those lower table teams. That said, it really is a SORRY way, to hope to win the league, with a team that is totally toothless against any meaningful opposition. Not beating Everton at home was just pathetic

  26. allybear

    Dec 24, 2013, 16:27 #43290

    Theopants Superstar you are spot on mate,i have been saying that AW is past it for years. There are no more excuses left the blame is squarely on him&a new striker isnt the answer in order to win trophies,it will take more than one player. Anyway he has to leave sometime!

  27. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 24, 2013, 16:27 #43289

    chris dee, good shout, and it didn't take long for the excuses to start or should i say reasons.

  28. Ian

    Dec 24, 2013, 15:53 #43288

    Gooner Ed you are missing the point again.The problem is Wenger, who once again was found out when he came up against a manager who uses tactics and has a game plan.Wenger had 3 months in the summer to sign a quality striker.He put all his eggs in the Suarez basket.When that failed because we offered a derisory bid he had nothing as a back up except trying to get Ba with 3 hours left of the window.This is a manager who gets paid £7.5m a year.Sadly we have a clueless owner back in Denver who will giver our "9 years without a trophy" manager another 4 year contract.Look at what Martinez is doing at Everton.Nothing will change till Wenger goes.Oh well 2018 isnt that far away.

  29. N4

    Dec 24, 2013, 14:49 #43287

    I know after a few draws or lost we come on here saying all that is wrong with Arsenal. We're all blaming AW because we can't blame anyone else?!! Well the fact is: it is AW fault because most people who hasn't been that long in football knew that we needed a world class striker in the last window but except AW. So it is, quite normal when this is the result we're getting because we lack a class striker...and only 1 person didn't think so was AW ...why?!! Only him knows but most of guess it right....it's all about the MONEY!!!!!

  30. Stevesam

    Dec 24, 2013, 14:30 #43286

    If ever evidence was needed that the TV companies now control the PL this was a fine example. Amber weather warnings well in advance of the fixture and the match goes ahead. Sod the supporters who have to make their way to a game on a Monday night in atrocious conditions and get home again ( and a 8.00pm kick off ). I am gutted that I got to the station to find all the trains cancelled. One of the biggest games missed due to conditions which I believe had it not been for TV money would have been postponed. Another example – the Spuds at 5.15pm on a Saturday night – a disaster waiting to happen. The Club and the PL do not care a jot about the loyal support who attend games, it now all about TV money. As for last night, reasonable result considering we usually get beat by Chelski. When I saw the team I thought, too lightweight, we cannot play the big teams with luxury players like Wally and Ozil in the same team. If ever there was a game for Flamini to start this was it. By not playing Flamini , Rambo had to play deeper. The lack of goal opportunities we created and not only against this top team, is clearly a worry. What happened to the flowing total football AW preaches ? Captain TV also a bonus, World Cup coming up, maybe he shall be motivated to make an effort. New signings in January – no chance – we have Diaby to come back, shall be like a new signing. Also if Pod scores 3 goals – “why do we need another striker” . Still as all you fellow Gooners know, it could always be worse, you could be a Spud ( they always put a smile on my face ). Merry Xmas and Happy New Year.

  31. jeff wright

    Dec 24, 2013, 14:07 #43285

    GR,my point is that we have had an easy run of games than the other contenders have had , and that things will even themselves out over the course of the season regarding this. Even Wenger has said so! I still think that it's just another 'top 4 place' that we are engaging and not a title bid - had we done better against United,City and Chelsea then my view would be different. We did beat Liverpool though and that has dresed things up somewhat with us sharing top spot,well almost, with them. I can only call it as I see it ,anyway happy xmas to you and everyone else ,I'm off to engage now in the festivities later on . Cheers.

  32. Highbury Boy

    Dec 24, 2013, 13:55 #43284

    At the game last night I didn't think it was as boring as people who watched it on tv thought. There was a good atmosphere at the ground. Mourinho picked his team for a draw and from the ko extra seconds were taken over every goal kick and throw in. His plan was clear: not to lose and only go for it on the break or a set piece. His tactics always beat Wenger's. It wasn't quite the Men v Boys it usually is but apart from the tackles it was nice guy Ramsey putting the ball into touch when in a promising position after one of the Chelsea players was rolling around on the ground which epitomised the difference in behaviour. Our only Mr Nasty was on the subs bench. Arteta plays more like Denilson every day. As others have said despite 2 points from 9 we are still up there. Our actions in the Transfer window will show whether Stan and Wenger are prepared to go for it and try to win the Title. All the top clubs will take points off each other. With United and others in transition there has not been a better chance for some years. We all know though that Giroud cannot go through the season without a rest or injury/suspension. Bendtner wants away and is not good enough. Using Podolski or Walcott up front means changing the system. We might get through the season with only 3 cbs as we are out of the Capital One,FA Cup is not taken seriously and we are odds on to go out of CL but Sagna will need a rest at rb and Jenkinson is not adequate cover. If AW really wants to have a go he will buy. If Stan takes the view that the risk/reward scenario is not right and the key thing is to boost the brand by another season in CL which brings in tv cash and international exposure he will buy no-one and have the usual fight for 4th place.

  33. Moscow Gooner

    Dec 24, 2013, 13:26 #43283

    Being the best Premiership team in calendar year 2013 (if we still are after the last 3 matches??) doesn't win any trophies; having a solid first half of the season also doesn't - but it does give us a good platform from which to launch a real title challenge in the second half. So far nothing really fundamental seems to have changed: we comfortably beat middle and lower table teams; we fail to win the games that really count. That could have been said of much of the past eight years - going back it could have been said of Terry Neill's Arsenal as well! Maybe we're just a little tighter in not throwing away silly points against the likes of Norwich. The January window will of course be critical: AW failed to strengthen the team in the areas that mattered over the Summer - save for Flamini, who has played a big part in our better defensive record this term. Well now he gets a second chance; at least a striker to take the strain off Giroud, who I think is well above the Championship standard that some here put him down for but still can't be expected to carry the attack on his own for 38+ games. Ramsey's form was the revelation of the first half of the season, but again tough to imagine that being sustained throughout the season - particularly the goal scoring. Without reinforcements (sadly the more likely scenario and January is not the best time to be buying quality) - it could be a really grim second half of the season, a scrap to the end for 4th place; with the right buys, in a generally mediocre Premiership, we could just nick the title (or, with a kind draw, the FA Cup). I have long felt that we couldn't win another trophy under 'Le Boss' - but I would love to be proved wrong!

  34. maguiresbridge gooner

    Dec 24, 2013, 13:22 #43282

    A very dull affair indeed and it has been confirmed if we didn't already know it, we now have two carthorses for strikers instead of one i bet Suarez would have buried what our number one clipty clop missed. Yes conditions can be used by the excuse brigade, rain on the pitch? We've certainly seen those pens given even though the 100k a week man did play for it and that was all he did apart from take a few corners anonymous again. I suppose at the end of the day it could be called an even game as the chavs weren't much better but still another two points dropped all the same but who cares we're back up to second, and maureen's still on OGL's back humping him for another while. We'll go on a run now alright and pick up more points as there's no top teams to play, well as you say not until Feb anyway so we can have a breather now. Just like our unused subs last night a weeks rest mustn't have been enough for them, or the rest of the players as it didn't seem to do them much good either or else those heavy costumes at the Xmas party must have really took a lot out of them. No subs in a game we needed to win is OGL really that tactic less? As the saying goes it could have been worse fat franky's effort could have crossed the line and we might have then dropped three points and had no excuse to get pissed tonight and tomorrow. We can have a rest now we haven't had one for a while and prepare for the mighty hammers, cardiff, villa and the rest lets hope they allow us to play.

  35. GoonerRon

    Dec 24, 2013, 13:17 #43281

    @ jeff wright - you are absolutely correct in that the same rules apply to the other teams. This is my point. In 14 games and therefore 42 points available against 'the rest', Man City have taken 69%, Chelsea 69% and Man U 57%. So we have been far more consistent against the other teams in the league than they have. I'm not saying the head-to-head games aren't important but that if we continue to take points against the rest then we still have a great chance to win the title.

  36. marwoodonthwing

    Dec 24, 2013, 13:14 #43280

    Good article Kev, shame about the depressing comments below, I wonder what the comments would have been like if we had lost. Chelsea's "anti football" strikes again. Its a shame we couldnt break them down but as Kev says we now have very win-able fixtures so lets hope we can get a run going again. Pod and the Ox to come back too and remember Theo has been out for ages too. Arteta seems to get a lot of stock on here but has been mainly excellent since we signed him. Joint top of the league at Christmas you say? Yeah I will take that thanks, Happy Chrimbo.

  37. MarkH

    Dec 24, 2013, 13:10 #43279

    Finsbury Joe - yeah right, just when every gooner was wishing for Tim Sherwood to save us, Totteringham snap him up.

  38. jeff wright

    Dec 24, 2013, 12:58 #43278

    GR, those stats that you quoted also apply to other sides with similar ones against lower case opponents. You are taking a tunnel vision view of this scenario and applying it to only us. In a low scoring points season ( as suggest that this one will be) )regarding winning the Prem it must be an advantage to take points from your rivals for the title . We can see this with Liverpool - who are top of the table above us on GD - this due to us having taken 3 points off them . Where would we be without that ? They and the other top sides are all taking points from the lesser ones - we were fortunate with the early season fixtures having Palace,Cardiff and Hull in the run of games and home bankers such as spuds . We are still points down over-all though on same games played last season :,Villa 3 down ,West Brom 2 down, we have only gained 2 points against one of last seasons sides - and that was at home v Liverpool .

  39. theopants superstar

    Dec 24, 2013, 12:52 #43277

    The only 'pragmatic one' seemed to be Wenger who had no idea how to change a game we were patently not in charge of, so he decided to sit on his hands and settle for a draw. It's bad enough that he normally only makes subs at a pre-determined time in the match, but to do nothing when we were screaming out for some invention was criminal!! People call Chelsea boring but how I wish we could go to the homes of our supposed title challengers and be so comfortable and in control that we restrict them to one clear chance in 94mins - and that in the last ten minutes of the game!! Blame Chelsea, Mike Dean, the PL fixture list, even Father Christmas but the real culprit is none other than Wenger.

  40. chris dee

    Dec 24, 2013, 12:19 #43276

    Jed me old mucker,just like the Arsenal board, you are far to forgiving and tolerant of failure. Every team in every county in the world can point to unfair decisions and 'bad luck',except of course the teams that win trophies.

  41. GoonerRon

    Dec 24, 2013, 12:16 #43275

    @ jeff wright - granted it's not a great record but these games represent less than 16% of available points in a season and therefore titles aren't necessarily won based on your results against your closest rivals. So far this season if you exclude the Chelsea, Man U and Citeh games we've taken 35 points out of a possible 42 - or 83.33% of the points available against 'the rest'. Over a season this ratio equates to 80 points. The average title winning points total in the last 5 seasons is 87 points (although I'd imagine this season will be lower based on the points being taken off each other thus far), so whilst the remaining fixtures against the other three will clearly be important for belief, confidence etc, in terms of points accrual to ensure we are in the race, they aren't as pivotal. Continuing to be the most consistent in the league in winning games against the teams we should beat on paper is vital, hence the next 7 games are huge.

  42. dartford gooner

    Dec 24, 2013, 12:10 #43274

    Poor game and yet again it shows we don't like it up us. We get kicked all over the place and wenger leaves the only man who kicks back on the bench.Why leave walcott on when he did nothing for 90 minutes.It would be mad to give arsene another 3 years until the end of the season because its starting to look like ground hog day to me.Mike Dean when he refs the mancs their win rate is 67%, spurs,man city and liverpoo 60% Arsenal 7% i don't think red nose would have put up with that!

  43. jeff wright

    Dec 24, 2013, 11:49 #43273

    P.32, W7. D7. L18. Is this the spuds record against Chelsea,City and United ? Er,no it is in fact Wenger's over the past 5 seasons.It's a disgraceful one that shows that Wenger is not the great coach that he is claimed to be by some. As the actress said to the bishop last night's performance was also highly forgettable. As usual after yet another disappointing result following on much pre-match bravado bullshine from Wenger and our players,it was all down to being 'unlucky' we woz robbed by the ref ! I thought it was more down to Giroud missing yet another chance at the fag end of the tiresome affair. Although Chelsea had a shot come back off the bar with our GK well beaten - so in the end a 0-0 bore-draw looked about right. Everton. H , City.A, Chelsea. H, prior to the Everton game we could have gone 7 points clear at the top ,instead we have taken just 2 points from a possible 9 out of those games. As I said before if Wenger could play Cardiff every week we would be champs in May - but he can't do this ; and so we won't be.

  44. BringBackDene

    Dec 24, 2013, 11:49 #43272

    What is it that I am not seeing in Arteta, he can't tackle without fouling, his passing is always negative, his contribution is minimal. Our passing last night was very poor, and our walking it in the net suited Chelsea perfectly. We want more attacking on the break...that's what Theo is there for...! I was very depressed watching this performance.

  45. Gare K

    Dec 24, 2013, 11:40 #43271

    A dull game and the 0-0 was a fair reflection. I won’t bother with the whole ‘blame Mike Dean’ stuff. It’s a copout and deflects the fact that yet again put Wenger up against a more tactically astute manager such as Mourinho (who I detest with a passion) and he is found wanting. Good coaching and tactics as well as good/great players win you football matches not an open chequebook. If football matches were won with the latter then why did QPR finish bottom in the PL last season? So much so ‘net spend’ and ‘points per spend’ there. Defensively we were solid but then Chelsea as an attacking force was at times toothless. Our passing at times was sloppy and some of our so-called ‘world-class’ players went missing in a big game.......again. I like Giroud as he brings a lot of good into the team but he’s not the world-class forward some make him out to be. I suspect some are saying this out of spite towards a certain Dutchman now at OT. I also think we looked tired but that’s what happens when certain players are overplayed because of the injuries, lack of rotation and generally an average summer transfer window. We needed more than Ozil & Flamini and many like me saw that but too many fans were caught up in the Ozil signing hype. Now reality is starting to bite amongst certain Gooners regarding this issue. What took these people so long to realise this? Whilst it was important not to lose, the failure to win could increase doubts amongst the squad that they can’t win big games. True, Man Utd got away with it in 2008/09 but they had a great team and dare I say it a great manager. Not that Wenger is a complete dud so I’ll show him some respect. Again for the so-called clever statisticians, in 2013 alone we have failed yet again to beat a ‘big team’ with only Liverpool & Tottenham succumbing to us on our own turf and Bayern Munich away and even that meant nothing except for boosting confidence. The forthcoming set of league fixtures gives us a chance to build momentum yet again and if possible, Wenger must add in January and not rely on the return of the walking wounded. We will get further injuries and others could break down again. Finally, to those who have defended the imminent 3% hike on ST’s, considering some of you very rarely go to games or don’t go at all, I hope you continue to be priced out. You deserve it due to your worship of the greedy board. Merry Christmas to the sensible posters on this site and not those with their abusive comments (you know who you are). Up The Arsenal!

  46. Bard

    Dec 24, 2013, 11:30 #43270

    Its not all doom and gloom in the short term. The team could reignite and with astute buys in Jan we could be on the mix. The longer term looks more debatable. THe side flatters to deceive as does Wenger. He, like the team, lacks a ruthless streak. Whilst United without Ferguson struggle Martinez and Rodgers are building sides that will challenge either now or next season. Maureen is agitating for a new striker and its likely that the Russian will oblige. Wenger needs to up his game and I dont see that happening. The derisory bid for Suarez in the summer looks more costly as the weeks go by.

  47. Graham

    Dec 24, 2013, 11:18 #43269

    We did not see the champions last night far from it.The lack of creativity and finishing from both sides was frightening.One shot on target by us at home summed our attack up.I just dont get Walcott he has never in all his time at he club learned a trick to beat a full back.He's just a sprinter in football boots.As for Giroud its been said before he works his nuts off but he just isnt good enough.We are one week away from when the Jan transfer window opens.Anyone really believe we will buy a sriker?I dont.Remember Arsene knows nothing

  48. arstetaiswengerslovechild

    Dec 24, 2013, 11:05 #43268

    christ, woeful and inept: and thats just the manager ( certainly not coach). not a clue, from the first minute to the last. no pace, no incision, no belief, no tactics whatsoever. and this time, with wally wandering around like a chicken with no head and crying out for a sub. no changes. so he was happy with the boringest of 0-0 draws with barely a sniff of a goal? says a lot about ambition and belief. to choose arteta ahead of flamini speaks volumes about his cluelessness. mourinho knew: let arteta play backwards to the full backs or sideways at best, so never a threat. i've said it before and it remains true-e'll win nothing with the doddery spaniard in the team.

  49. John Gooner

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:59 #43267

    I totally agree with you 'What was the point I leaving highbury' the difference between last night and a tight win was a world class striker. The pass from Ramsey was sublime as was the build up play for both chances Giroud spurned. He's making a rather nasty habit of missing guilt-edged opportunities once again. We need to see if their are any world class strikers available out there in January, perhaps city would be willing to part with one of their 4... Although unlike AW, they'd never sell to a rival.

  50. Hibeegunner

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:48 #43266

    Wenger has been out thought by Martinez, Benitez, Pellegrini, and Mourinho in that last few weeks HE IS PAST HIS SELL BY DATE AS IS THE BOARD this season will end the way of the last 8. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all go you especially Ron as I agree with every word he writes.

  51. Finsbury Joe

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:48 #43265

    Anyone else notice the stench of failure permeating the stormy winter air? It is an old stench that is not going away soon, not at least until 2017 if reports are to be believed. Yet again, wenger has run his small squad into the ground. Worryingly for all Arsenal fans, others now have ambition and generally have much more about them to take wengers coveted 4th place trophy from his grasp. It is going to be a very long 2014 for long suffering Arsenal fans. Happy Christmas

  52. Clive the Gooner

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:46 #43264

    Typical boring Mourinho, I remember George Graham getting slaughtered for similar tactics. Shame that we always struggle against such sides. If Giroud was more clinical with his finishing we might have won, but that's the difference in buying top quality. Hope Wenger buys in Jan but am not confident.

  53. Seven Kings Gooner

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:45 #43263

    Considering the conditions I thought both teams did well - I was surprised that Mourinho was so negative but as Kev stated, he is pragmatic and that is how he wins trophies. Remember Stoke beat this Chelsea side, so to not even score a goal against a side that is very average away from home, tells you we still do not have enough quality in the final third. New signings in January? perhaps but nothing special as I fancy Wenger, yet again, will want this team to develop.

  54. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:45 #43262

    Let's not kid ourselves; a truly world-class striker, which bless him Giroud is most certainly not, would have snaffled either of those gilt-edged chances (OK he did pretty much everything right except score when Cech just stuck an arm out). For me, the most disappointing thing was watching several passes to the wings go sailing into row D. You can't blame conditions for that. AFC really do look flat right now and the squad certainly needs something extra.....but from where? And is that a first time for I dunno how long AW didn't bring on a sub? Merry Xmas everyone

  55. Peter

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:44 #43261

    In the summer Wenger tried to sign Suarez currently the best striker in the world.Because he knew Giroud wasnt good enough.He failed to get Suarez so what did he do go after another world class striker?NO.So our stike force is Giroud willing but not world class,Bendtner who is championship class and Sanogo who is sunday league class.That is gross mismanagement.As for last night it was two teams who wont win the league because they lack a quality striker.Liverpool are top for a reason.Suarez.And when is Ozil going to turn up for a big game.We will finish 4th at best.

  56. GoonerRon

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:38 #43260

    I know it's common to say a championship winning team will always find a way to grind out results, which to an extent is true, but even Championship winning teams do actually drop points at certain times in the season. Whilst not beating Chlesea at home isn't ideal it certainly isn't a disaster. We had a relatively kind set of fixtures up until December and took advantage by getting a good lead at the top. Inevitably we have dropped some points when a really difficult set of fixtures came in December and have come through that to be joint top of the league. As Kevin says, the next run of fixtures is another opportunity to go on a winning run and hopefully steal a march on the rest as we move into the New Year. I'd say overall it's been a hugely encouraging first half of the season.

  57. What was the point in leaving Highbury?

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:38 #43259

    I love Giroud and think he does a massive job for us but if we had a top class striker, like RVP say, he turns that into a one nil win. That's the difference for me.

  58. BADARSE

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:23 #43258

    Well the game went more or less as I hoped it wouldn't. Certainly the conditions were on the side of a defensive -style approach. Therefore it suited both teams. Chelsea, because, with all due respect to those who 'big up' It suited Mourhino, he is a one-trick pony in terms of strategy. Defend, get the ball forward on the break, and use a combination of muscle and skill to get the goal required. It suited AFC because, as Kevin touched on, it was a game Arsene Wenger couldn't afford to lose. The message coming from this 'achievement' gives the players a belief that we have met and matched a main rival, the next game must be easier and we are still in there. Theo disappointed; finally we play a wide man and he fails. Sadly I expect him to fail in every game and am pleasantly surprised on occasions when he doesn't. Verminator eased himself back in again, which was a positive in my book. Sagna is back and hope for a step-up in his play as games come now, after all he is our only crosser of the ball. We kept our powder dry with regard subs and have a few fresh men ready to take the field. The inquisition continues.

  59. Hornsey Bill

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:16 #43257

    Sadly we are not going to win the Premiership with this team. The main reason being lack of a decent striker. Not a great Chelsea team this and I thought from the beginning of November this game might define the strength of our title challenge and so it proved. Premiership winning sides win games like this and we don't have it. Our defence has definitely improved but with no strike force what can we really expect. Giroud just doesn't cut the mustard and never will. He's Championship standard at best. Happy Christmas Gooners and a prosperous New Year I hope it's a trophy winning year but it's more hope than expectation

  60. Bard

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:15 #43256

    A fair analysis. we could go overboard about the pen that should have been given but the truth is it was a poor game. Chelsea came for the point and we werent good enough to break them down. We are badly missing Rambo's goal and the lack of a top class striker is all too clear. More worrying for me is the lack of sharpness in the side. We looked laboured and lacked crispness in our passing. Here's a thought; if we dont buy in the Jan window I doubt we will make top four. Everton with Citeh look the strongest sides in the league at the moment and that leaves Man U, Chelsea, Liverpool and us fighting for the other 2 spots.

  61. Dan h

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:09 #43255

    Not much happened last night that we havn't seen before. Mourinho stays unbeaten against us but Mr.Dean showed why we have only won 1 game in aprox 15 under his 'officiating'. The groundstaff were the real MOM last night awful conditions.

  62. jed

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:08 #43254

    chris dee - we were hardly spineless against Man City, we were ruled offside twice - mistakenly I might add, last night you should have realised Mike Dean was there for a very good reason, how many times have we won when he has refereed? Should have been a penalty regardless of what the so called "pundits" reckon. Get over it and get on with Christmas, have a lovely time!

  63. I.P. from South Africa

    Dec 24, 2013, 10:06 #43253

    Until such time as we have a manager and scouts who can distinguish the difference between TRUE QUALITY and WENGER QUALITY and a manager who has the ability to have tactical nous, we will forever be "Just another team in the EPL." It hurts to say, however, our team looks utterly toothless when confronted with a bit of pressure.

  64. chris dee

    Dec 24, 2013, 9:54 #43252

    It was vital we didn't lose after the spineless displays against Napoli and City so that's one positive. But if you are gonna win trophies you cannot have a situation where no one performs because in the words of Kevin Whitcher Chelsea ' didn't allow them to'. That's just not good enough.Trophy winning teams find ways of winning tight matches and that's why we are not gonna win anything again this year.The team still lacks any players with a strong personality who can lead,motivate and pull the team through games like yesterdays.Our team is full of 'nice' lads who falter,look overwhelmed and in some case hide, when the going gets tough. Oh for a Frank McLintock,Charlie George,Peter Storey,Tony Adams,Steve Bould,Martin Keown,Patrick Vieira,Sol Cambell and whisper it quietly Ashley Cole. Either the current players grow some or we are gonna be on this message board for the next few years moaning as we have been for the last eight years.Unless of course a change of manager does the trick.

  65. Ron

    Dec 24, 2013, 9:30 #43251

    An awful condition dominated game. Flat, featureless, energyless, dull and laboured against a team who really aren't much good, yet who can still claim to have been more dangerous than Arsenal were. 64 quid cheapest for that garbage was it? Media and tabloids keep bulling the so called 'title chase up, but really, the quality of the games are truly piss poor. Last nights offerings we re just more of whats the norm these days. Both of those two teams can go whistle for sure. Champions? Do me a favour.