Should the Away Goals Rule Be Scrapped?

Time for UEFA to change the rules?



Should the Away Goals Rule Be Scrapped?

Kos’ goal in Munich: Academic


The away-goal law for two-legged ties was introduced by UEFA as long ago as 1965 for a Cup Winners Cup match between Budapest Honved and Dukla Prague. The aim was to encourage more attacking play from the away side, and it is a ruling that’s been around for so long that hardly anyone ever raises a debate as to whether or not it achieves its purpose. Therefore I was glad recently to see Wenger make a suggestion to UEFA that it’s time for this law to be scrapped.

The argument that such a ruling encourages more attacking play is flawed for the simple reason that a 1-0 win for the home team is a lot better than a 2-1 win. On occasions, it will make the home team more nervous, more conservative and cagier.

Instead of making the game more enthralling, it can actually kill off a tie earlier than it would if no away-goal ruling were in place. Take for example the time when Man United beat us in the 2008-09 Champions League Semi-Final. They won the first leg 1-0 at Old Trafford. Within ten minutes of the second leg, Park Ji Sung scored to make it 2-0 on aggregate. That meant we needed three goals without reply, which realistically made the final outcome more predictable. When football becomes more predictable, it loses its edge in terms of excitement, thereby defeating the purpose of the away-goals ruling. Had Arsenal, the weaker team at the time, needed just the two goals to level, then the game would have carried a lot more suspense.

There is a philosophical dilemma to the whole question of a team winning a tie on the basis of away goals scored: why should a 2-0 away win for one team be of any less value than a 3-1 away win for the other team? The answer many will give is that one team managed the feat of scoring three goals away from home, to which some might reply – so what? Why is that more exciting? Why is that more of an achievement? At least the team who lost 3-1 gave their home support a goal to cheer for.

In the 2011-12 Champions League second round, Barcelona won 3-1 at the home of Bayer Leverkusen. Now, imagine what an achievement it would have been had Bayer won 2-0 at the return leg at the Nou Camp. They would have levelled the game on goals scored and such a result would have been hailed as an heroic effort. Yet even had such a miracle happened (they did in fact get smashed 7-1!) then they still would have gone out, despite matching Barça over two legs. I didn’t bother to watch the second leg of that live ITV game because, as a neutral, I like to watch football when it’s a bit more evenly matched and harder to predict. Okay, it would have been wishful thinking that Bayer would win 2-0 at the Nou Camp. But to hope that they might have scored three goals without reply would be enough to get you sectioned.

Of course, in 2013 this scenario was played out by us and Bayern Munich and if someone would like to make a compelling argument that Munich’s 3-1 away win was more of an achievement than our 2-0 than I’d be interested to hear it.

Matthew Bazell is the author of Theatre of Silence: The Lost Soul of Football.


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  1. Moscow Gooner

    Jan 08, 2014, 12:06 #43881

    WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate - 10,000 at Bristol City not 4,000. And you could point to 32,000 at Derby, 8,000 at Rochdale, 6,000 at Macclesfield, 8,000 at Southend etc to make the opposite point. But the main reason that many clubs pull in such poor crowds for cup ties is that they require season ticket holders to pay; in the '60s or '70s season ticket holders made up about 10% of the average gate, today it can rise to 75% plus. Hence cup gates, especially in the early rounds, expose dependence on season ticket support. Not sure it's fair to suggest that the crowds indicate any reduced enthusiasm for the competition.

  2. Matthew Bazell

    Jan 07, 2014, 22:27 #43862

    I reckon keep it simple. Most goals scored wins. If it's tied then go to pens

  3. exiled&dangerous

    Jan 07, 2014, 20:54 #43855

    Okay, I've been drinking Hobgoblin, and under the influence, I've thought of this: to replace "away goals".... highest score in a single game (so 2-1 win beats 1-0 loss whether home or away, 3-1 beats 2-0, etc) and then if it's 1-0 win, 1-0 loss or 0-0 & 1-1 etc, the first team to score in the tie goes through. Penalties to decide all other outcomes. Right, that's me done in, I'm back to the Hobgoblin, happy new year all (except the Spuds).

  4. BADARSE

    Jan 07, 2014, 12:37 #43820

    Matthew if it was just excitement or interest that governed the tie-breaker why not just decide it on the toss of a referee? Sorry, just being silly. A conclusion has to be reached one way or another and the away goal does that at least. The advantage given to an away leg is odious and it should cease to be a rule. A golden goal rule would be more preferable in extra time, in fact losing on the field of combat is always the preferred manner in which to be eliminated. In hockey they let corners rule, so possession, shots on target, total shots, woodwork hit or even tossing that referee!

  5. Matthew Bazell

    Jan 07, 2014, 10:35 #43813

    AussieRussian you bring up an interesting point. Personally if excitement is the issue then I favour more penalty shot outs. It's a skill and a major test of nerve.

  6. BADARSE

    Jan 07, 2014, 8:21 #43807

    Bard you may be correct in saying Theo is prone to injury but there is a bit of blanket coverage in that statement. Injuries happen, may happen again immediately after the repair, ad infinitum. However it also generally a fickle finger of fate which determines who or when an injury occurs. The cruciate knee ligament injury ruptures without an opponent causing it. Every body in this instance reacts in the same way. The individual demands a reaction from the body, it cannot give what's being asked for and the ligament snaps. Could happen to anyone at any time. Of course our PL demands much. Trouble is when a player recovers from an injury and begins combat again other parts of the body react. A period of lay-off and rest allows the body to do just that. Then suddenly it is asked to jump through hoops. Hoops that you and I could never expect to get through. Often this means another breakdown. Rosicky is a perfect example of this. Thankfully he has turned a corner in that. Let's hope Theo manages to distance himself from an outright dismissal of being 'just injury prone'.

  7. AussieRussianGooner

    Jan 07, 2014, 3:44 #43803

    I think one key point not raised here is the main reason why away goals rule exist, apart from encouraging attacking play. It is to act as a tie breaker without the need to revert to the penalty shootout, which is of course the least preferred option to determine the winner. With the away goal rule, the only time the penalties are required is of course when both matches finish with exactly the same scoreline. Should we scrap the away goal rule completely, we are bound to get a huge increase in penalty shootouts.

  8. Peter Marinello

    Jan 06, 2014, 21:52 #43801

    Amos I joined Arsenal the season before the double.

  9. Bard

    Jan 06, 2014, 21:48 #43800

    Sad news about Theo but he's prone to injury and to my mind Gnarbry will do a good enough job as a replacement. Jeff wright re your earlier post the issue is al about ambition. There are too many on this site that see mediocrity as the holy grail. They have bought into the 'steady as she goes' philosophy that Wenger has peddled. The myth he now peddles is that he wants to win every competition. without ever showing he has the balls for the fight. Losing Theo should force his hand but dont bet on it, this is a manager that has lost his nerve for big fight.

  10. exiled&dangerous

    Jan 06, 2014, 20:56 #43799

    Been having this conversation down the pub quite often - why not replace "away goals" with "most goals in a game" - for example, a 3-1 win, whether at home or away, would outrank a 2-0 win by the other team. Another aspect of "away goals" that seems unfair is when the away side scores in extra-time in the second leg - they've played 120 minutes away whereas their opponents only played 90 minutes in the first leg - I think extra-time should be exempt from the away-goals rule.

  11. BADARSE

    Jan 06, 2014, 20:54 #43798

    Sad news indeed for Theo. I thought he had ruptured it when I watched the replay and saw his knee bend out on him. Him sitting up persuaded me to think it was OK. Thing is a rupture hurts as it snaps, but then the pain subsides as the body takes over. With a torn or stretched ligament the pain stays with you. The lad must be devastated. Still he doesn't have to spend the summer with the England mobsters, so there is a silver lining. Gnabry steps into his boots!

  12. jeff wright

    Jan 06, 2014, 20:42 #43797

    I met Ball once in a pub in Potters Bar Westie , he was with Storey and Simpson they had just opened a new betting shop across the road from the pub , and the owner invited everyone to go for drink when the ceremony was over. He certainly was not someone who was slow at coming forward regarding himself. You couldn't imagine this happening with today's mega-buck players . Ron I may have been a bit harsh on Kidd but he was not a Super Mac type signing he was a decent player but not a great one. Ferguson's putting him down regarding his coaching abilities at United . That was was a disgrace, but nothing unusual from that megalomaniac cretin who wants all the glory for himself. He's still at now sitting in the stand at OT looking like the grim-reaper. Once managers go they should go and not hang about - in my view this applies to Wenger as well. Out with the old and in with the new!

  13. Amos

    Jan 06, 2014, 20:40 #43796

    Kidd wasn't Mee's worst buy and I think we got our money back for him. Mee's policy just illustrates some of the difficulties of buying rather than building a team unless you can do it on the scale that accepts the losses Chelsea and City have incurred. The difference between selling McLintock and RvP is that player contract law was very different then so Mee had a choice. With modern player contract law, in an unprotected period of contract as RvP was, there is no such choice if the player wants to leave. All the club can do in that situation is to get as much money as they can for him. Again the 2005 changes in contract law and the difficulties that creates for any other than the richest clubs, especially when faced with the distorted finances of some clubs, to retain key players has yet to be fully appreciated and it's impact not properly understood.

  14. Westlower

    Jan 06, 2014, 20:12 #43794

    Jeff, Instead of helping us build a successful dynasty the signing of Alan Ball had an adverse effect. Frank McLintock had to forcibly remind Ball who was captain. Do you remember the famous photo? Sometimes a big signing can undermine a successful team and cause disharmony in the dressing room. It doesn't guarantee further success. Every new signing is a gamble of sorts.

  15. Ron

    Jan 06, 2014, 20:05 #43793

    Kidd was only about 25 when we bought him and as i recall he was top scorer in at least one of his seasons. Good player. Cdt settle in London and wasnt his fault he was in a sh--e team.

  16. jeff wright

    Jan 06, 2014, 19:40 #43792

    Mee bought badly Amos, Ball was the only good buy Blockley,Marinello were young players that the club hoped would have a big sell on value , both unproven at top level and that top level was the sort of player like Ball that was required. Kidd was past his best and just a squad filler really . Replacing Frank with Blockley was one of the most disastrous decisions ever made by an Arsenal manager. Wenger selling RVP to United runs it close though.

  17. Amos

    Jan 06, 2014, 19:26 #43791

    Mee's successful side was founded largely on young home grown players such as Rice, Storey, Simpson, Kelly, Radford, George, Kennedy, Sammels et al. After winning the double (and following Howe's departure) he tried his own mini-version of a 'galacticos' strategy and bought not only Ball, but others including Marinello, Blockley, Brian Kidd all for what, at the time, was big money. What Liverpool showed, as westlower alludes to, is that if you have a successful team then you stand more chance of maintaining that success for longer if you add just one or two players a year - and not necessarily big money signings either. However, that strategy stood and stands less chance of success in an era when Abramovich can spend in the order of £1bn over 10 years building his club and Mansour a similar sum over 5 years. It's the sheer scale of those excesses while ManU were competing for and on occasions achieving the status of the richest club in the world that needs to be considered when deciding whether Arsenal just lacked the ambition to compete or simply the resources.

  18. jeff wright

    Jan 06, 2014, 19:16 #43790

    There does seem to be have been more than a touch of the parsimonious about our boards financial dealings over the years and it's not really any big surprise to see the quiet man from Missouri following on with it. The actual 30 odd m that he invested in the side last summer was well short of what it was claimed would be spent,and all that bragging from Ivan about Rooney type wages proved to be just more hot-air. The Ozil signing looked like a last minute panic buy again and had we started better it's very likely that he would not be with us not be with us. Wrong player for me though without a super-super striker as well - in fact the super-super striker would have been a better option,but more expensive.

  19. Roy

    Jan 06, 2014, 19:15 #43789

    Walcott out for rest of season - can we now afford not to go into the transfer market this month ? I'm not saying its a given, but now I'm sure the debate will be hotter than ever. Can OGL successfully negotiate this either way ? Let's see what your made of man !!

  20. Westlower

    Jan 06, 2014, 19:02 #43788

    Heartbreaking news for Theo but maybe this is the time to give Serge Gnabry a permanent role in the team. He certainly looks ready to make his mark. Ox will be returning shortly so we're well served in that wide position.

  21. Ron

    Jan 06, 2014, 18:56 #43787

    Jeff - Yes, theres force of argument there. The best management does know how to freshen things up and keep players chomping at the bit. The great Liverpool sides of the late 60s to late 70s very often used to freshen by not spending very much ie Keegan for 35000. Its the player choice as much as the price paid and they had truly great management and a top Chairman in those years. All of the administration ingredients at a Club have to gel superbly like they did for Liverpool. Mee never had it and i dont think all of the ducks have ever been in a neat line from Boardroom to Wenger during his years in truth. His memoirs, book will make for a great read once he does it im sure. Many of our own views could well be shattered totally once we get it from the horses mouth so to speak. You make a good case though matey.

  22. jeff wright

    Jan 06, 2014, 18:48 #43786

    Hi Ron, it can't be proven that investing in our past title winning sides would have kept them as champs , but this worked for Liverpool for years, and also for United. Mancini claimed that failing to sign RVP handed the title to United - because he was unable to sign a similar player in that window.United's failure to strengthen after last seasons title win has certainly cost them ,possibly even a top 4 spot,although it's still early days yet to rule them out of that. I would say that investing in new top players must help to maintain a sides momentum after a title winning season,but as we have never done it we will never know!

  23. Ron

    Jan 06, 2014, 18:37 #43785

    I can only speak for the post 71 and pot 2004 years really but while Jeff has a point, i'm not sure it was only failure to invest that stopped those teams doing the fabled 'back to back'. The post 71 years saw managerial upheaval, Mee had problems from the off as the Coaches and Howe left for WBA. The 2004 team should have done better and maybe bagged a CL but it was a team that had very much peaked by 04. Investing in it would have needed a hell of a lot to maintain some sort of dominance. The argument will remain a moot point. Jeff cd be right for all i know, but looking at it in the round, im just not so sure as failing to invest gives a full explanation.

  24. jjetplane

    Jan 06, 2014, 18:33 #43784

    Walcott is out for the season and the world cup. Ox - where are are you! Terrible news for Walcott.

  25. jeff wright

    Jan 06, 2014, 18:27 #43783

    Westie,one player Alan Ball, and er,how many trophies did he win with us? Tbf though the Mee period was for awhile a productive one he did put us back on the map with the Fairs Cup win - and the first double season. He lost the plot though in the end .Just 4 seasons out of 16 in which he won trophies says so. Wenger had a great chance to push on after 2004 but he lost it as well with silly youth projects and far fetched theories . He's probably a member of the flat Earth society.

  26. Westlower

    Jan 06, 2014, 18:01 #43782

    Jeff, We smashed our transfer record in 71/72 when we bought Alan Ball from Everton after doing the double the previous season.

  27. Amos

    Jan 06, 2014, 17:47 #43781

    @spaced. ManU's success came at the right time too - right at the beginning of the Sky/PL era as revenues increased exponentially - and to ManU's credit they exploited commercial revenues very well indeed while we only started to do so once the stadium project had allowed us to develop matchday revenues. ManU's dominance has been compromised a little more since the Abramovich/Mansour impact coincided with the Glazers leveraged takeover compromising some of the advantage that their great commercial growth had given them. Football historians will eventually look at the last 20 years or so in the game and understand better than some do now just what an effect the changed landscape has had on the game. Fortunately it's still changing as those running the game belatedly try prevent the juggernaut from running away completely.

  28. Spaced

    Jan 06, 2014, 17:22 #43780

    I don't agree with that statement Jeff. I think we haven't won back to back league titles because we have never dominated the league since the 30's. Only Liverpool and Man U have dominated since. Our best chance was in the late 1990's and early 2000's under Wenger, but unfortunately the Ferguson machine was in full flow. I think that we have been a bit unlucky in the sense that if the phenomenal Ferguson was not around we would've completely dominated the Premier league at that time. Unlucky is relative of course (I consider myself very lucky to have had a season ticket throughout those wonderful years!).

  29. Ron

    Jan 06, 2014, 16:49 #43779

    Westie - Ha. Youre totally right mate. Id lay odds on rule changes eventually to allow more goals. Eventually, it will be a totally NON contact sport. Its nearly there now, what with the wisdom of messrs Rednkapp Shearer and Co being one of 'he was entitled to go down' after the merest shirt pull! Makes me sick!. Entitled! Whatever has it come too matey?

  30. jeff wright

    Jan 06, 2014, 16:28 #43777

    MB, the reason we have never won the European Cup is the same one why we have never won back to back league titles since the Chapman era . A lack of ambition is the reason,we never strengthen after winning a league title but always settle for what we have. United adopted this policy after winning the league easily last season,and look where it's got them.

  31. Westlower

    Jan 06, 2014, 16:09 #43775

    Ron, Watched a college basketball game in Arizona, score was something like 65-64, accompanied by an organist heralding each score. Also attended one baseball game, watching the World Champs, Minnesota Twins. Never had the desire to watch another one. As soon as American TV gets actively involved in PL sponsorship we'll soon be having scores of 23-22, with 6 x 15 minute play periods, sin bins, free kick & penalty takers coming off the bench for a set play, Sir David Beckham will feature as a kicker when he's in his 50's, etc. Just think of the advertising revenue, hell, AFC would be able to buy a new striker!

  32. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jan 06, 2014, 16:01 #43774

    I have this afternoon received an email from Mr Wenger giving his assessment of the last two games. In it he makes comments to the effect that it is our defensive solidity married to a quick passing game in attack that is giving us success. AMG's will be pleased to learn that he would appear to be no longer in need of a straightjacket, and has, hopefully not only temporarily, come to something approaching sense.

  33. Ron

    Jan 06, 2014, 15:10 #43771

    Yes. Get rid of AWGR. It was only ever a device to make attacking football come to fruition when Clubs couldnt penetrate blanket Italian defences in the 60s. It was always a daft rule. Such is the grip of TV on football now, im just surprised UEFA and the PL havent campaigned for goals being 12 yards wide and 4 feet higher and for keepers being disallowed from saving direct free kicks so that we can have scores of 20 - 20 repeatedly!!

  34. jeff wright

    Jan 06, 2014, 14:49 #43769

    Westie, just after xmas, some supporters prioritizing games they attend, perhaps some Wigan ones not that enamoured with the FAC after getting relegated following on winning it. We will after see what the crowds are like for the semi's . Personally I never thought that Sherwood's dinosauric 4-4-2 tactics would trouble us at home. You are right about a replay being a fractious affair though and that will be the case when we play the spuds at Jurassic Lane . We usually win there though in our better seasons - so that might be the case again .

  35. Matthew Bazell

    Jan 06, 2014, 14:34 #43768

    I share those frustrations Chris. I've always felt we are the biggest team never to have won the European Cup.

  36. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 06, 2014, 14:09 #43767

    Westlower; just out of curiosity's sake I had Five Live on for about 15 minutes before the Saturday 3pm kick offs. They were at Grimsby and Macclesfield giving it large about the weather, the cramped stadiums, "will the big boys fancy it" etc (well Huddersfield certainly did). Then look at the TV highlights and see empty seats everywhere. 4000 at Bristol City. 17000 at Stoke. OK not glamour ties, but you get the point. An almost local derby Blackburn -Man City, 18000 there and 7000 of them were from the visitors.

  37. Westlower

    Jan 06, 2014, 13:51 #43766

    Jeff, I totally agree with that good judge Badarse re your post 46658. Your best set of thoughts so far! Unrealistic for CL to have replays because in the name of fairness it would have to be played in a neutral country. Thankfully we beat Spurs at the first time of asking on Saturday. Can you imagine the carnage between Dembele & Jack if we played them at the Lane next week. Definitely bad blood built up between that pair. Doubtless it was one of Timmy's little schemes to get Jack red carded. So much for being told how much the fans love the FA Cup. How come there was only 6,960 at the FA Cup holders Wigan's 3rd round game, approx half their normal league attendance. I guess the fine weather fans just enjoy their day at Wembley & disappear thereafter.

  38. Spaced

    Jan 06, 2014, 13:43 #43765

    WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate, a 0-0 is better than a 2-1 win? Have a word with yourself. So, you draw 0-0 at home then lose 2-1 away and go through right? ---- I'm pretty undecided over the away goals thing really, either way the home or the away team will go out to not concede. The only unfair thing I can see is when extra time comes into play and this gives the away team a 30 min bonus which the home team never got. Maybe for the sake of this it should be scrapped, no other reason for me.

  39. chris dee

    Jan 06, 2014, 13:37 #43764

    Matt me old mucker just annoyed and angry that after 60 years of the competion our name is not amongst the winners whatever the 'away' goal rule,that's all I was trying to say.

  40. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 06, 2014, 13:15 #43763

    I may be wrong but aren't away goals scrapped in the League Cup semis? In 2006/07 a 2-2 draw at that lot and 1-1 in the return still meant Extra Time, though I think away goals only counted double at the end of extra time. I guess they were a good idea in the days of cantenaccio, but nowadays a 0-0 home draw is considered a better result then a 2-1 home win. Go figure

  41. Matthew Bazell

    Jan 06, 2014, 12:42 #43762

    Chris Dee I'm not arguing this from an Arsenal perspective of injustice. There have been times when we have gone through via away goals. I wrote this article last year after watching a game between two neutral sides. My argument is based solely in keeping the suspense of a game and that the away goal law can kill that too early.

  42. BADARSE

    Jan 06, 2014, 12:24 #43761

    jeff wright, your post, 46658 said everything for me.

  43. James

    Jan 06, 2014, 12:16 #43760

    I cannot believe we still have this retarded rule called away goals. It causes teams to play more conservative not attacking which was it's original intent. It can also kill a game by making the home team require an extra goal, it sucks basically.

  44. northbank123

    Jan 06, 2014, 10:55 #43759

    Started a thread on this on the discussion board a few months back (nothing to do with our away goals exit to Bayern mind). I don't see that the system produces the benefits of exciting football that it claims to. The incentive for away teams is counterweighted by the immense pressure on home teams to keep a clean sheet and 0-0 still seems to be a fairly high occurrence. First leg knockout matches in particular tend to be cagey, negative affairs and the away goal rule can also serve to kill ties that may otherwise still have some life in them.

  45. jeff wright

    Jan 06, 2014, 10:34 #43758

    Morning Westie, I guess based on a cup tie result then that Cardiff and Swansea must also,among others, have strength in depth and do not require any reinforcements in this window? City obviously need help because they only managed to get a draw in their tie,Pelligrini will be getting the cheque book out this morning pronto!

  46. jeff wright

    Jan 06, 2014, 10:20 #43757

    The away goal rule is the reason why the so called Champions League, and other cup tournaments that use this nonsensical rule , can't be taken seriously. The CL is just a midweek TV cash cow tournament that in the main produces boring group stage tactically motivated games . The obviously gerrymandered draws are another facet of the tournament, apart from the seeding to allow the top clubs a better chance of reaching the KO stages , that makes the whole shebang one big farce. It's not just the away goal rule that needs addressing though but the whole format of the CL needs revamping . What annoys me is that our traditional, and better FAC , has been destroyed by the creation of the Champions League from the original and better European Cup. The penalty shootout is not an ideal way to settle a cup tie but in today's game with the enormous costs involved to clubs and punters it is unavoidable,until someone comes up with a better idea to settle the deadlock.

  47. chris dee

    Jan 06, 2014, 10:04 #43756

    Nice one! Never won the Champions League/European Cup?I know ,lets change the rules. Real,Barca,Bayern,AC Milan,Inter Milan,United,Chelsea,Celtic,Aston Villa,Ajax,Juventus,Porto,Benfica,Dortmond,Liverpool,Forest,Hamburg,Red Star Belgrade,Marseille and Feyenoord are quote happy with the rules

  48. Nyakuma- Nigeria

    Jan 06, 2014, 9:10 #43755

    I actually feel reluctant to watch matces that the result is already known, just like when it seems a near impossibility for a team to come back because of the away goal rule. It should be scrapped. Nyakuma.

  49. Westlower

    Jan 06, 2014, 8:48 #43754

    Comment in today's Racing Post, '5 THINGS WE LEARNED FROM THE WEEKEND'; Gunners strength is deeper than many suggest. There will be calls for AW to spend money in this transfer window but doing big deals in January is not easy & Arsenal supporters should stay relaxed if the PL table toppers keep the cash in the coffers.

  50. Gooner

    Jan 06, 2014, 8:37 #43753

    There is definatley an argument for it to be scrapped. If a game goes into extra time the away team have that extra half hour to score an away goal, the tie is over. I would like to see it scrapped for a trial, as football has changed so much these days that a 0-0 draw at home is a good result for the home team.

  51. Westlower

    Jan 06, 2014, 8:25 #43752

    Yes the away goal ruled should be scrapped. Nothing more frustrating than being eliminated on a 2-2 or 3-3 scoreline. How does logic allow a team to be beaten when the goals tally shows they are both equal? Defies common sense, but then when was the game ever run by people with common sense? As previously stated the priority is now not to concede a goal in the home leg. The dynamic has changed from the away team defending in depth to avoid losing a goal to the home team doing same. As the rule stands, a 0-0 at home to BM will set us up beautifully for the away leg in Munich on the counter attack.

  52. TheRealWorld

    Jan 06, 2014, 8:20 #43751

    Well, I definitely can't make a compelling argument of why 3-1 is better than 2-0 for the away team, but I can tell you for sure that Bayern Munich's knowledge that we'd have to go there and win 3-0 meant that their minds (and tactics) were framed to not lose by THAT score, so they didn't play their natural game. There's no real point in dwelling on what could have been cos if things were different (i.e. if all goals were treated equally regardless of their race, gender, or color), there is no knowing how Bayern Munich would have played on the night.

  53. Amos

    Jan 06, 2014, 8:18 #43750

    The system clearly has it's flaws but in the absence of a clear result for one team or the other so do most other methods of settling games. Replays offer greater fixture congestion and might pose particular difficulties when travelling long distances. Added time doesn't always result in a decision and offers a greater advantage to the home team. Penalty shootouts offer drama but are more of a lottery and perhaps less fair than away goals. They may well also invite teams to park the bus and play for a shootout in the hope the ball runs their way. I'm all for scrapping the away goals rule but not necessarily all that comfortable when the options for replacing it.

  54. BADARSE

    Jan 06, 2014, 8:01 #43749

    Thank you Matthew, have believed this to be a valid argument for ages. When the rule was introduced it was a different world in so many ways. Blanket defences had become commonplace as clubs began to embrace formation football. They had all but dispensed with wingers, employed 'destroyers' and loaded up the midfield. The away goal rule was a brave innovation. I would suggest it achieved it's objective in a limited fashion, but it soon became apparent that there was a flaw, as you so clearly high lighted. Way back then Europe was 'overseas'! It was quite a bold step for a club to travel to a distant land, even France, with the slow and troublesome travel, alien hotels, noisy and strange-speaking home fans, and cultures and customs et al. Now every team knows that if drawn at home in the first leg you defend to avoid conceding an away goal, meaning a 1-0 win is confusingly, very nearly as good as that 3-1, but obviously not quite. Now everyone is internationally 'savvy', in fact most top teams are international. It presents little of the 'stepping into the unknown'. Why we find ourselves, as do all successful European clubs, revisiting other clubs on a semi-regular basis now. Time for change!