Hidden in the Attic

The Unspoken Prejudice in Football



Hidden in the Attic

Let’s face it, fans would have persecuted him if he had come out at Villa or West Ham


It is not sexism or it's more evil sibling racism. It is the embarrassing relative, hidden away in the attic, the one who should not be spoken of. It is not religious intolerance, or even divisiveness directed at atheists. It is not the flimsy, and perhaps ugliest accusation of paedophilia. It is homophobia! The groundless fear that homosexuality creates, and leads to a clandestine existence for gay people the world over. They have no sense of fear or perversion amongst themselves, they just fear the repercussions that the questionable values that society places on itself will bring. It is bound up in ignorance, religious strait-jacketing of their devotees, traditional conservative 'values', and a 'dirty' stigma perpetuated by much narrow-mindedness in the media.

Football is a purveyor of people's dreams. It reaches out, grabs and holds you. It allows fantasies to unfold in your mind, the winning goal in a cup final, or the adulation from adoring fans. It allows us as individuals to step outside ourselves for as long as it suits, and to travel to the outer reaches of the universe in our minds. Conquering, laying all before us. How macho is that? Arsenal has been my crutch and support all my life. My alter ego surfaces as my pulse quickens and my blood courses ever faster in my veins. Passion. My involvement with Arsenal screams, 'I am here! I exist!' I am the most outrageous of extroverts, riding the roller coaster of being a part of my club. So how are the two linked?

Well what if I had been a player, a player at Arsenal even? What if I had lived the dream? Then what if it was happening right now, and I felt I was superman? Then consider this, what if I was gay? I have just popped that bubble, haven't I? Yet I shouldn't have done so. A gay person plays football, loves the sport, the camaraderie of his teammates, the thrill of the adoration from fans. He is a part of it all. He/she is me, and so too you, reading this article. A little trite but we are one.

I am not about to go existential on you. I am just laying down the parameters, marking out the pitch, illustrated by a once grandly stated by the Bard, 'If you cut me, do I not bleed?' So that is the fundamental obstacle we need to overcome, we are the same. Given that acceptance, as it permeates our consciousness the fear, disdain, or whatever convoluted set of feelings are at play are interrupted, and stop affecting that homophobic mentality. We rise above it, and with ease. That is the first part, the acceptance that it is not bad or wrong, and to recognise that it is commonplace and normal.

I found myself with my wife and a couple of youngsters in London the year before last, which coincided with 'Gay Pride'. We stood in Regent St. and had a ball. My high spot was seeing Peter Tatchell. Chance circumstances found us with my grandchildren in Dublin this June and guess what? Yes, 'Gay Pride' was taking place, and it too was a nice occasion. A 'Gay Pride' groupie, no less! I mention this to give a certain credence to this article. My grandchildren accepted the event as a normal carnival, as did the other two youngsters. Me too! Now football has a problem. It is a pretty unusual, though not unique work environment where being gay is still a taboo. It is all caught up with the generally accepted principles of a man being a man. Sadly that is an archaic view. What all of us can do in alleviating this phobia is really limited. Yet perhaps something could be done. Any gesture, no matter how small, if positive, will count. In Neil Armstrong language a small step in the right direction can lead to a gigantic stride.

Firstly, it is sensible to accept that a token is just a token, and things cannot be overturned, or reversed in one beau geste. Yet a statement can be registered and who knows how many may join the movement, making their own statements, footie fans often do this kind of thing. Football needs that statement, Arsenal F.C needs to make that statement. We at AFC have always been pioneers. The first at this or better at that. Forever finding ourselves in the vanguard. It is personified for many of us as the spirit of Herbert Chapman; it is a part of footballing tradition now that 'The Arsenal Way', exists, even though some neutrals would have it otherwise.

Is there any way that those amongst us who feel it is a just cause, can find it in themselves to stand up and be counted. On behalf of gays in football, can we effect a positive move? Can we utilise our current yet traditional, 'Forward Arsenal' battle cry? We are tailor-made for the role as fans of the Arsenal. As a thought, had a float in those two 'Gay Prides' I mentioned, trundled past denoting, 'Arsenal Fans in Support of Gay Footballers', I would have filled up with my own pride. Any gay players in the Premier League right now are suffering, in silence. We cannot take that pain away, but we can give them our invisible support. Come on you Reds, come on you Yellows, come on you Pinks!

(Ed’s note – In fairness to Arsenal, they have done as much as they can to promote inclusiveness in this area through posting this page on the official website. However, what they cannot do is force a gay player to come out. My own view is that an individual’s sexual preference is down to them, and whether they wish to publicise it is their own choice. However, knowing the mob mentality of football crowds, you can be certain any player coming out would be targeted verbally by elements of the opposition support, and that saddens me. Frankly, where homosexuality is concerned, it’s not something I see changing any time soon. Maybe others think different…)


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  1. Alan

    Jan 21, 2014, 21:44 #44500

    That wasn't deliberate I promise you, it's not a cry for help. ....right, the boys are back in the barracks!

  2. Lynn

    Jan 21, 2014, 20:41 #44498

    @Alan - you've come free at the side.

  3. Richard

    Jan 20, 2014, 18:28 #44437

    Bergkamp was great but like many so called greats, full of pride. Too much praise from men causes people to fall into many sins when older which can be seen in many celebrities in this country. Good deeds are ok if done by a regenerate person with a clear conscience, otherwise they're dead works and fruit unto death. Most of the so called do gooders are self righteous people normally middle-upper class often religionists who think they can earn Gods favour and soothe their guilt. John Wesley was the most famous preacher ever in the UK and lived in the eighteenth century. He is generally regarded as the first ever celebrity and when he died was proclaimed a national treasure. He boasted about how he fed the poor, was one of the main voices in the abolition of slavery movement, and travelled thousands of miles on horseback preaching his works salvation to all he met. Unfortunately he preached a false gospel built on works which the people couldn't get enough of, ultimately he sent thousands tumbling into hell.

  4. BADARSE

    Jan 20, 2014, 16:34 #44431

    Average Joe if it wasn't for do-gooders kids would still be forced to go up chimneys, now thankfully it's only Father Xmas. Nice to see you are a Bergy man though.

  5. Average Joe

    Jan 20, 2014, 14:41 #44429

    Richard- Think you're on to something there, certainly would agree God seemed to control most of our games 1995-2006 when he was wearing our number 10.

  6. Richard

    Jan 20, 2014, 13:06 #44424

    To me the natural man is the same whatever his sexual orientation. Some people God created to be homosexual, some thieves, some murderers, some to go around doing what they think are good works. (charity work etc). Though all are in the same boat and are all sinners unless they have Christ's righteousness imputed to him. The self righteous religionist looks down on the homosexual thinking his works are better and so on in society. People look back at events and wicked acts produced by their forefathers and say they wouldn't have done the same yet in reality who knows how anybody would have reacted in any given situation. People fall into three categories in general, two as far as salvation is concerned. 1.True believers of which there are very few who believe God controls everything including the sins of men. 2.Unbelievers of which there are many, who believe that man controls all that he does and put their trust in evolution Darwinism and all that other fantastical stuff.3.Religionists of which there are many who believe that God only controls the good things and man the bad things, who put their trust in a 'Jesus who wants to be your friend' silliness . These are also unbelievers and are in fact in the same spiritual state as the homosexual. I have avoided using bible verses this time as I don't want to offend anybody and will happily answer questions on any subject. You know what this means don't you? Every single football result is controlled by God. Some may say 'why bother then.' I'll leave you to work that one out.

  7. Average Joe

    Jan 20, 2014, 10:34 #44422

    BADARSE- If you look for prejudice hard enough you will always find it. For example, 'some people cannot help being gay' makes homosexuality sound like some kind of affliction. Disgusting. But in the real world most of us rub along together just fine, that is until some do-gooder comes along to highlight our differences and create division.

  8. BADARSE

    Jan 20, 2014, 9:14 #44418

    Average Joe it is recognised by neurologists in brain specialising that sexual inclination is determined before birth. OK with that? However it is also understood and accepted that 88% of intelligence is genetically inherited, therefore some people cannot help being gay, and some people cannot understand that concept.

  9. Average Joe

    Jan 20, 2014, 8:48 #44417

    Murphyr- How dare you attempt to use common sense to deflate the extreme worthiness of certain posters on here. Get back in the guilty line and re-commence self-loathing immediately.

  10. BADARSE

    Jan 20, 2014, 8:35 #44415

    Murphyr, am not sure if this makes sense but this article's responses has not surprised me, but saddened me all the same. There are so many who just plain miss the point. Any gay Gooners reading this would feel perhaps worse than me, as I'm heterosexual. The crux of the matter is gays are still marginalised by Neanderthals whenever the opportunity arises. This article seems to be tapping into the current mood and roughly saying, 'keep gay footballers problems on the agenda-in any way possible'. Simple and succinct. Fans will use anything they can, including the paedophile chants directed at Arsene. It isn't nice. I am of the opinion from all that has gone before in my life that if you put it out there you get opposition. Say it often enough and the message slowly gets through. Look how far we have come! Recognise how far we have to travel.

  11. Murphyr

    Jan 20, 2014, 5:08 #44412

    Not sure what all the fuss is about here. Since publicly disclosing his sexual orientation it seems to me that almost everyone has been bending over backwards to praise Hitzelsberger. And why not? I am not sure where all of the vitriol directed at football supporters all being knuckledraggers on this issue comes from. If we are looking at the example of Hitzelsperger then surely we can say that that coming out as Gay has actually enhanced his reputation rather than destroyed it. Doesn't this say something about how far we have come? Compare him to Justin Fashanu, poor feckin sod. It wasn't so long ago that homosexuals did not have formal equality with the rest of the population. This discrimination was reflected in most football fans attitudes towards homosexuality. This is clearly not the case now so i wonder why so many commentators feel the need to bash football supporters everytime someone feels comfortable enough to come out of the closet? You can guarantee that any openly gay footballer may be on the receiving end of chants about it. Some of them might be outright offensive, others might be tongue in cheek. Ultimately not many will really believe what they are actually saying. There may be an echo of past bigotry on the terraces but it will continue to shrink as it fades in society in general.

  12. Knob

    Jan 19, 2014, 1:55 #44376

    Reggie - You are aware large numbers of people who aren't practicing homosexuals have caught HIV? They include straight people and even babies born with the disease passed on from their parents

  13. Reggie

    Jan 18, 2014, 23:59 #44375

    Men are generally so ugly to look at and women so beautiful that it makes the mind boggle why anybody could possibly be gay. Also HIV should put anybody off following such a disgusting vocation.

  14. Alsace Lorraine de totteridge

    Jan 18, 2014, 19:31 #44373

    I used to worry about the mental state of the akb brethren on this site,but some of the recent posts are justification for the proposition that simply not discussing this issue in football is a very good idea.

  15. Jamie Hunter

    Jan 18, 2014, 18:28 #44370

    Luckily I have enough brain cells to not care less if any fellow human being is gay or straight. But as nicely as this article is written you are talking about some sort of social vendetta against homosexuality in football without specifying what exactly it is. Are the Ashburton Grove crowd chanting "queers out"? Is going to a game with another man frowned upon? There will always be an uneducated individual somewhere to offer a bigoted view but isn't that the case with any part of society regarding anything remotely "uncommon" (for want of a better expression).You mention the "dirty stigma" perpetuated in the media; where? Just live your life and enjoy your football. Trust me, very few people even care about your sexuality.

  16. Richard

    Jan 18, 2014, 12:30 #44369

    If a person lives a promiscuous lifestyle whether that person is heterosexual or homosexual he can expect to live a short life. Romans 6.23 says 'For the wages of sin is death.' Sodomy is a grave sin, though it is not the unforgiveable sin. There is forgiveness for the homosexual just as there is for the prostitute and whoremonger if God draws them through Christ. I don't hate these people just warn them. In fact these people have far more chance of being saved than false self righteous religionists like Catholics, protestants, Russelites and the religious establishment who worship a false God instead of the true God of the bible.

  17. Tony Hayers

    Jan 18, 2014, 12:18 #44368

    You're not getting a second series.

  18. BADARSE

    Jan 18, 2014, 11:21 #44366

    Ron and Robert Exley, excellent ripostes, as I expected. Well said gentlemen. We are not talking Eloi and Morlocks here, though some push the Morlock boundaries quite hard.

  19. Alan

    Jan 18, 2014, 10:44 #44365

    Now listeners, I have someone on the line who fears he may be a gay. He’s married, so he wishes to remain anonymous. I shall only be using his Christian name. I’m talking to Domingo in Little Oakley. No? He’s gone. That’s a pity. Marvellous little tapas bar there.

  20. Robert Exley

    Jan 18, 2014, 10:13 #44363

    Reggie - you obviously have never heard of Alan Turing (he was one of the gays). Without his efforts in inventing the modern computer me and you wouldn't be conversing over the internet

  21. Ron

    Jan 18, 2014, 9:20 #44362

    Reggie - I reckon that must be the worst post ever recorded on this site and we've all typed a few horrendous ones in our time here. Im sure you're on a wind up though, giving you the benefit of the doubt. I can tell you don't work in the arts and theatrical industry though fella!

  22. BADARSE

    Jan 18, 2014, 2:50 #44358

    How do you know that scrap of information Reggie? I think it's the same trouble with heavy drinkers and smokers, they too have a lower life expectancy, so what do you suggest we do with them? Fancy being gay, drinking heavily and a smoker!

  23. Reggie

    Jan 17, 2014, 22:52 #44356

    The trouble with homosexuals is apart from entertainment and fashion they have never excelled in anything. The average life of someone who lives a gay lifestyle is only about 43 compared to about 80 for a straight man only those who work in pornography have a lower life expectancy. To champion it seems futile and rather cruel.

  24. Homosceptic

    Jan 17, 2014, 22:39 #44355

    @The lady doth protest too much, methinks - I don't wanna get bogged down in this whole gay vipor's nest!

  25. BADARSE

    Jan 17, 2014, 21:52 #44354

    Re: My earlier post 47230. That cretin Putin has just delivered a speech and linked homosexuality with paedophilia. Often people, especially those in a position of power, are transparent. I for one will boycott the games.

  26. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jan 17, 2014, 19:33 #44352

    and FFO, red and green berets are worn by.....

  27. Alan

    Jan 17, 2014, 18:36 #44350

    Ooh, scary Irish men. Would you like to recruit me? I like your berets. They’re worn by Saddam Hussain, Frank Spencer, and the French.

  28. northbank123

    Jan 17, 2014, 17:32 #44347

    Unspoken prejudice? Hardly. The "Gay Gooners" banner was the butt of jokes from people around me for most of the recent game against Cardiff and if you go to any game you're likely to be treated to at least one homophobic reference (in jest or not). Anybody with a brain in their head knows that if a PL player comes out he is bound to get taunted for it by certain opposition fans.

  29. Alan

    Jan 17, 2014, 15:37 #44346

    Yeah, it's vulcanised rubber, which means it won't perish.

  30. The lady doth protest too much, methinks

    Jan 17, 2014, 15:28 #44345

    Homosceptic - let's do an apples and pears type explanation for you as you are clearly a bit unenlightened. Let's say God creates 100 men and puts them in relationships. According to widely accepted statistics, 90 will be in Adam and Eve relationships, 10 will be in Adam and Steve relationships. I hope you can cope with this fact of life and not brush it under the carpet as 'not normal'. PS. Did you ever sing along to the song for gay icon Freddie Llungberg that 'we love you Freddie, cos you've got red hair' with tears welling in your eyes? I did, and the gayness of it all wasn't lost on me.

  31. Alan

    Jan 17, 2014, 15:06 #44344

    Homosceptic- Would you like me to lapdance for you?

  32. BADARSE

    Jan 17, 2014, 14:11 #44342

    Well said Alsace! I always ignore the panel on forms asking for my colour, religion and other meaningless scraps of information for the grey men. Obama is jumping through hoops at the moment due to secret info gathering, and there is a public outcry. The docile UK citizens just accept and absorb this rubbishy system without rejecting it out of hand. If it hadn't been for the European Human Rights commission we would still be living in the dark ages.Well done again to you buddy.

  33. Homosceptic

    Jan 17, 2014, 13:56 #44341

    I've nothing against them. It's just as I see it God created Adam & Eve. He didn't create Adam & Steve

  34. Alsace Lorraine de Totteridge

    Jan 17, 2014, 13:52 #44340

    British Football is just incredibly neanderthal in every conceivable way. Ron Manager and his friend Jimmy being unable to hear what a female sports presenter says and asking " where's the bloke love, and can I have a cup of tea" is simply not an exaggeration. We Arsenal fans would like everyone to aspire to our high standards of behaviour and the canons of good taste, but the fact is that they can't. I suppose that the only benefit of this being a taboo subject is that it doesn't get thown at players on the pitch. Where I work, our professional body want us as employers to ask people a thousand and one questions for "diversity" reasons including what people's sexual preferences are. I won't do that because it's none of my blasted business. I don't regard any discrimination (except against smokers obviously) as acceptable and thank goodness we live in a country unlike many in the world where it is illegal to discriminate. Football supporters are not in their right minds when in a crowd, so it is simply self preservation not to discuss your sexual orientation publicly. The acid point is that, at least at our stadium, we don't comment on the colour of a player's skin, and we wouldn't hopefully comment if they batted for the other side. The fact remains that most crowds can and do use any stick available to beat opposition players. Viz the disgusting unemployed song that a portion of our crowd still sing at Liverpool fans.

  35. ppp

    Jan 17, 2014, 10:26 #44332

    Why is the so called "Macho" culture of football under attack? In all the articles about Hitzelsperger coming out we are constantly told that football's "Macho" culture is to blame for players staying in the closet. As if a gay bloke couldn't possibly be macho! Men being men (as the writer of this article so witheringly labels it) is an excellent reason to watch football and I'll bet you it's a big reason such a sizeable proportion of the gay fanbase absolutely loves the sport. It's one of the few places left in modern English society where you can shout at eachother, pull together and beat the opposition without being sent to jail or scorned by trendies for your old fashioned values! Gayness and old fashioned values are not mutually exclusive.

  36. Richard

    Jan 17, 2014, 9:33 #44329

    I see the OnlineGooner has become a cowardly den of iniquity. Removing non offensive posts to keep in with it's 'let's not offend anybody agenda'. I thought we lived in a free country obviously Christians don't have as much say as other minorities.

  37. BADARSE

    Jan 16, 2014, 17:11 #44325

    @johnnyhawleylg. Not sure where the Prem Player owning up to being gay comes from, certainly not the article. Everyone chooses their own path in life. Surely the article was just to keep the spotlight on an injustice, isn't that always worthwhile? As for linking Paedophile in your post, that isn't even being discussed and whilst talking of gays mentioning paedophilia only muddies the water. As for Arsene being lambasted for years then that too is outrageous. If a club does nowt, and the authorities won't it is left to the people. I have news for you, throughout history, in all countries, it usually is. So a single flame can sometimes ignite all around, or perhaps just one other. If we all sit back and say and do nothing that flame will surely go out. I think AFC are amongst the top leaders on this issue, but it is never enough. It doesn't have to be a gay player, anybody who is gay and reads the article knows the unity exists. Perhaps that is because you and those more critical are straight, how lucky you are, me too, others need people to stand alongside. I would and the other two main members in the Veteran's Club, westlower and Ron would join me, metaphorically speaking.

  38. johnnyhawleyloovinggooner

    Jan 16, 2014, 14:36 #44321

    why should a player state he is gay? it is his own life and should lead it as he sees fit. We would be badly let down if a player/former player was a pedo.i would not blame a player for not coming out simply due to what he and his family would have to listen to every week. There would be no help, after all, AW has to put up with the worst chants of all yet major world clubs are neither punished or punish supporters for these evil chants. When will there be a major media storm about things said about our manager?

  39. billdodgin

    Jan 16, 2014, 14:14 #44320

    Well done Alex for addressing one of the most stubborn issues. Good responses too, and the ed's points are sound.I also applaud the club for trying.It saddens me that there is probably nothing that can materially be done in the shorter-term to advance the cause of anti-homophobia in football. Unfortunately the culture of the terraces as we know reflects the basest ignorance abroad in society (and I would include the likes of political "leaders" in this.)Those bastards so often only mouth anti-prejudice because they have to. The soldier-worship our country is beset with - although there are gay and lesbian members of the forces - is also a reflection of the unhealthy "macho" mindedness that's around and contaminates football. A top player who came out would be one of the bravest men on the planet, and it is of course only feasible for the excellent Thomas Hitzlsperger to do so as he retires.In the meantime power to the Gay Gooners and any other manifestation.For others of us ,myself included, I feel it continues to be about setting good example of anti-prejudice in our lives, speaking out where we can, and maintaining there is a problem. It hurts me though that people in football or anywhere have to live in fear of this aspect of their true selves becoming known.

  40. Gus Caesar's Curvaceous Bottom

    Jan 16, 2014, 14:00 #44318

    I'm not really sure what the point of this article is at all? If a still playing footballer came out about his homosexuality, he would face abuse from the terraces (or in our case, comfy padded seats)Not exactly a startling revalation is it? I'm especially baffled by the 'I even went to gay pride and guess what I enjoyed it' comments, this smacks of a 'hey some of my best friends are black' type statement, and has no relevance to the context of the article as far as I can see. Homophobia towards players who are openly gay, or even rumoured to be so (Sol Campbell, Le Saux, Matthew Taylor) etc etc will happen, as will the use of the Y word, and to a degree, racism. That doesnt make it acceptable of course Evolution in society takes an awful long time, as someone else pointed out, it's only a generation ago that homosexuality was against the law in this country, so it will take time for attitudes to change. As for 'bursting the bubble' well no I don't think so. All football clubs have their idiots and we are no exception, but generally if a player is 'different' we take him to our hearts anyway because he is 'ours' regardless of race, sexuality or religious background, hell we even took Eboue to our hearts (eventually). I can't see a queue of people burning their season tickets because we have a gay player. It's not Arsenal FCs job or place to make a statement or be a trail blazer, if a gay footballer chooses to come out then good for them, but equally if they choose not to, so what, its down to personal choice.

  41. BADARSE

    Jan 16, 2014, 13:59 #44317

    Sad that a few have missed the point, or just really don't care. For your joint edification John Lennon once said any work, a song, a painting, poetry or writing tells you what the artist feels, not what you should feel. So here we have a person explaining how he feels and someone saying how he feels in response. Those reading both make a judgement.

  42. cyril

    Jan 16, 2014, 13:49 #44316

    These are positive steps towards equality. In other parts of the world, there is terrible persecution towards gay people.Shocking. These examples can be used as influence. The world is football mad and everybody can take part and feel equal.The message from the premiership should read just that and to state to all -'world,if you love your football,take note!'

  43. sparksy

    Jan 16, 2014, 13:37 #44315

    At the moment, it seems that football and us fans are being used like some political football. As we go about our everyday lives i'd suggest that the overwhelming majority are not really fussed either way about this topic. All we want is to see out team win, enjoy the game and the day out and then go home. I never hear any such abuse at games, be it gay or racist. We go to football to get away from such stuff so please, stop feeding us this stuff and keep it to football. This sort of stuff becomes really boring after a while......

  44. Ron

    Jan 16, 2014, 13:29 #44314

    Its a society that only feel comfortable with 'mainstream'. Being gay is a departure from it. How do the less intelligent handle that? They scream 'foul' and denounce loudly. Its their fear. Tie in the testosterone and macho imagery that football carries amongst its participants and many if not most of the fans, largely due to its working class origins and you have an explosive cocktail. Gays wont come out in football. They ll be hammered remorselessly by what is perhaps the minority and the 'sheep' in the majority who privately cdt care less about a players sexuality will follow. Put it like this, if i was gay, theres not a cats chance id reveal it openly and i dont consider myself a shrinking violet in the face of any issue that has to be faced.

  45. Roy

    Jan 16, 2014, 11:53 #44313

    Aren't we getting back to the moronic element here, the same as we did in the debate about Anti - Semetic chanting ? It's a sad fact of life that if a current player came out today, he would get slaughtered at the next game. What should be remembered is that the gay movement has made significant strides with civil partnerships now commonplace whilst homosexuality was illegal until 1967. I agree that it's only right that football should try to do its bit, but unless everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet, there's only so much you can do. Not sure where Herbert Chapman comes into it.

  46. Caggie

    Jan 16, 2014, 10:40 #44310

    As a gay Gooner I applaud this article and Thomas' courage. One day some in top flight European football will come out and lets hope he is met with respect on the pitch

  47. BADARSE

    Jan 16, 2014, 10:38 #44309

    Morning westlower, as usual, you are the voice of reasonable observation. Our society is so fragmented due mainly to information overload, and a foot cemented into the past. I encountered two really pleasant and educated gay lads at a party recently. They remarked on not visiting places like Dubai, then confounded me by saying that they saw it as OK, just different. My reaction was to say it was not OK, that thousands in that place suffer daily by being persecuted, that a wrong must always be challenged. They concurred as if my words were wisdom itself. So even many of those involved cannot grasp the bigger picture. The pundits macho drivel just fuels those who are unable to filter it out, which is a huge percentage of the population sadly. Tell Ron it was his turn to do the washing up this morning but I had to do it again; I don't buy his claim that you can practise yoga whilst snoring!

  48. Westlower

    Jan 16, 2014, 10:10 #44308

    Good piece Alex on dealing with the one of the most difficult topics in the football world. I believe Ed's note is an accurate reflection on the subject. Most of us have worked with or know gay people and I've always found them to be inoffensive. The problem with being a gay footballer is that a very vocal minority in the crowd will be unforgiving when that player makes a mistake. It doesn't take much imagination as to what chants there would be when a known gay player player is substituted for having a poor game. Maybe training TV pundits to be more understanding towards them would begin the education of fans. Typically, some of the former 'hard men' ex-player pundits, still ridicule players for wearing gloves, jewellery & long sleeve shirts. Recently, Alan McInally commented how Bendnter would have scored if his pony tail hadn't got in the way. We all know he wouldn't have scored if he was bald (only joking Nick). The nation is light years away from giving gay footballers the same respect as the traditionally well loved cavemen types. How would the old Highbury crowd have reacted on learning that Adams, Keown, Bould, Storey were gay?

  49. Goonsquad

    Jan 16, 2014, 10:01 #44307

    No mate, if you were a player for the arsenal being gay wouldn't burst the bubble. Frankly most of us would only care about how you play, not who you sleep with. Your rambling article is a bit out dated, a bit patronising and whilst reading it one finds oneself thinking "oh just get over yourself". I know there are a lot of twats out there but they are as annoying for straight people as they are for gay people. Also your misquoting of Shylock in this context is a little unfortunate. What he actually said is "if you prick us do we not bleed?" which could have been more appropriate in a couple of senses. The point I'm trying to make is that it's 2014 and with the exception of a few tiresome types most of us really don't care about your sexuality. Perform on the pitch and we'll sing your name all day long. Hope that makes you feel a bit better.

  50. John Gooner

    Jan 16, 2014, 9:38 #44306

    A good article, perhaps not so pertinent to Arsenal where I feel the crowd are somewhat more accepting than those at some other clubs. I just hope that more players feel comfortable enough to come out as it's the only way football will move on. I think it is also vital if/when that does happen homophobic abuse is treated in the same way that racist abuse is treated ie stadium bans, matches played behind closed doors etc. A person can no more choose their sexuality than the colour of their skin, so all small-minded prejudice-based abuse should be treated with the same level of punitive action.