The Life & Time of Herbert Chapman

Review of Patrick Barclay’s recently released biography of the football visionary



The Life & Time of Herbert Chapman


(Ed’s note – the current issue of The Gooner features an interview with author and journalist Patrick Barclay, amongst plenty of other exclusive content detailed if you click the link above. It’s on sale tomorrow evening v Coventry and nine days later v Crystal Palace (plus at Southampton away). Here is a review of the book to accompany the interview with Patrick in the printed issue…

Ashburton Grove otherwise known as The Emirates Stadium has three statues surrounding it. On match day, two of them are normally encircled by a throng of eager guests, who jockey good naturedly for prime space to chronicle their association with these bronze representations of true Arsenal servants – Thierry Henry and Tony Adams - normally through mobile phones which capture a plethora of red and white, and wide smiles. The other cast, a solitary figure, characterising a man who appears dignified, almost avuncular in bearing with a kindly expression, is almost invariably untenanted.

How many thousands of visitors walk unthinkingly past this great man’s figure on the way to our new homeland, only meters away from the plot of land where the figure was instrumental in laying the foundations of the club millions know and love today?

Patrick Barclay’s superb new book on this working-class visionary from humble mining stock in Kiveton Park, Yorkshire entitled: “The Life and Times of Herbert Chapman – The story of one of football’s most influential figures” is destined to be the definitive volume on the great man.

Yet Barclay’s account is far more than a mere retelling of Chapman’s deeds, substantial and influential as they were. It also stands as a mesmerising account of a harsh age treated with tact and sensitivity which becomes essential reading - not only for fans of Arsenal, Huddersfield & Northampton Town but for students of football history, and social history. Yet, to paraphrase the great West Indian CLR James, what do we know of the statue who the statue only know? This visionary man called Herbert Chapman.

Thanks to Barclay’s meticulous research we know that he instigated football in the community schemes 50 years before they were officially adopted by the club; that he was one of the pioneers of the use of physiotherapists and masseurs; that he encouraged his players to analyse tactics; that he instigated team meetings; encouraged socialising to build team spirit; initiated matches with continental opposition, proposing a Europe wide competition nearly 30 years before the European Cup was founded, and looked to buy top quality foreign players who also turned out for his friend Hugo Meisl’s Austrian Wunderteam – even if the FA prevented him from doing so.

We also know that he was an early advocate of floodlights and radio broadcasts, was instrumental in having Art-Deco stands built as part of a stylish and comfortable new ground, installed a clock to aid players and fans, helped design the scoreboard and turnstiles at Arsenal and even persuaded the forerunners of London Transport to reprint copious amounts of maps and tickets in making them change the name of the nearby tube station to better represent the club. We also recognise he numbered shirts for better identification (again something the FA turned down at the time), and was the man who designed the classic style of kit that every Arsenal fan on this planet has worn at some stage of their life. He even promoted the use of a white ball and started the tradition of both teams walking out together at the FA Cup Final – due to his involvement with both clubs involved namely the Gunners and Huddersfield – a tradition which has continued ever since.

And we learn that he melded tactical changes with his own ideals on counter-attacking football with fast wingers and a solid defence. Chapman himself summing it up by saying: "the most opportune time for scoring is immediately after repelling an attack, because opponents are then strung out in the wrong half of the field." Quite simply if you love football you’ll love this book. But there is so much more to it than that.

Characters and incidents from the games early years are narrated by Barclay with a telling that Dickens would have relished. Always mindful of the social context, some of the matter-of-fact horrors of pit life, far from sensationalising the text, generously place the success of Chapman and the lives of many of his contemporaries in a far greater triumph because of the unrelentingly tragic nature of the era. Personalities such as the “darkly charismatic” Bill Sudell leap to life in perfectly crafted prose. There are vignettes on Preston’s Arthur Wharton, the first non-white player in English football.

Major Francis Marandin, Crimea War veteran and FA Cup Final referee six years in a row in the mid 1880’s appears in a cameo as an individual as outlandishly improbable as he is strangely captivating. James Calton, the first football journalist is introduced, of whom Aston Villa once players threatened to throw out of a window – thereby establishing a lineage that runs to this day of players angry with reporters.

We are even treated to the delightful supposition that Edward Elgar,- composer of Land of Hope and Glory – and a big Wolverhampton Wanderers supporter – was so taken with a match report he set a phrase to music – ‘we banged the leather for good’ - so legend has it, thereby becoming the first ever terrace chant.

We are also informed that a certain Mahatma Ghandi was a stretcher bearer during a battle to take a hill near Ladysmith in South Africa during the Boer War – the hill of course being forever known as the Spion Kop.

References to Queen Victoria, Jack the Ripper, Dr Crippen and many others make this a comprehensive and majestic study of a turbulent era. Even mention of the Thames overflowing up to the moat at the Tower with 14 unfortunates drowning during one particularly wet winter is sinisterly spellbinding information.

Barclay excels at recounting the tragedy of the First World War on an individual level, faithfully retelling the account of many of the brave lads from the ‘Footballers Battalion’ – known in military terms as the 17th Service Battalion (1st Football) of the Middlesex Regiment. A regiment in which 500 of its 600 members were dead by the early 30s. The story of the ill-fated Dick Roose is revealed with a sobering panache. A goalkeeper who played for Sunderland, dated flamboyant music hall dames of the age and was the first man to enact Grobbelaar-style wobbly legs ahead of a Manchester City penalty - who having saved it using the trick “raised his arms in glee to the City support, who”, as Barclay dryly recounts “pelted him.”

Like many millions of lives at that murderous time there is no happy ending. George Holley a man who Roose had played with at Sunderland received a letter from him posted during the dreadful Dardanelles’ campaign in Gallipoli, where the ex-keeper who readily volunteered for the war effort wrote plaintively: ‘If ever there was a hell on this occasionally volatile planet this is it.” As Barclay described with feeling: “Roose may have revised this definition at the Somme the following year, before he too died a hero.” Charlie Buchan a name that was to feature large in Arsenal history in the post war years ran the Grenadier Guards team in Northern France – with Barclay calmly noting that they once “changed pitches after a shell landed next to their original venue”.

The Somme also took away the life of Clapton Orient’s Wille Jonas who was killed going over the top. His last words to teammate and boyhood friend Richard McFadden were heroically moving in their simplicity, kindess and loyalty: ‘Goodbye Mac. Best of luck, special love to my sweetheart Mary Jane and best regards to the lads at Orient.’ It was reassuringly ironic, but not altogether surprising Chapman ran an Arsenal during the War – a real Arsenal, as the Woolwich Arsenal itself struggled to meet the demand for munitions required by those brave lads at the front. Chapman became a senior manager to Barnbow Arsenal near Leeds which employed 16,000 people. Needless to say he increased effort to unheralded levels of output through his sterling leadership.

This fascinating material Barclay has assiduously harvested through what must have been extensive investigation of the game and the era that surrounds it brings to life Chapman far more than accounts merely regurgitating facts we already know. For example we are told Chapman played cricket with his brother in the Kiveton Park Collery League “audaciously stealing runs.” And that a as a player at Grimsby Chapman wore yellow boots - even if it was for practical reasons “rather than a narcissistic ploy” due to the ‘canary leather’, as it was known, being stronger and more durable.

We also learn he eventually secured a “Second Class Certificate as an Under Manager of Mines” after an image of a young Chapman is evoked, pouring over his textbooks and writing up notes by an oil lamp in his lodgings - as Barclay so impishly phrased it: “The time had come to get earnest about the qualifications he would need after those pumping legs gave out and the yellow boots were hung up for the last time.” We are taken through Chapman’s football education too, as he learns the value of meticulous preparation from a tortuous trip to the south coast Southampton from Northampton where they arrived just before kick-off to find his team’s boots were soled for frost when the pitch was muddy. The ensuing 11-0 defeat ensured he would never make the same mistake twice

The strong character of Vivian Woodward is conjured masterfully. A veteran of the Western Front, of whom Barclay wrote engagingly both in the book and in a recent column of his in the London Evening Standard, was a man who won the Football Olympic Gold Medal in 1908 & 1912 before designing the main grandstand for the 1920 Antwerp Olympics. Dare I say it there is a slight thrill from an Arsenal point of view when he writes of Spurs in 1908 that Woodward was at a club “under who ambitious facade lies something between stagnation and decline.” And where a manager left because of differences with the directors leading to a new appointment “that no-one took seriously in the manager’s role.” The uncharitable amongst us may say ‘plus ca change’. The rest will revel in the meticulous and forensic research that is always enthralling rather than overpowering.

Intriguingly there is also mention of Spurs mysterious election from the Southern League to the Football League – despite finishing seventh the previous season – a fact to mention next time your Lilywhite supporting mates mention 1919 and Sir Henry Norris for the nth time. Speaking of which, Barclay unearths real tension between Chapman and Norris, with the iron-willed Chapman coming out on top. Barclay also shows the ruthless side of Chapman by highlighting his removal of a trainer he inherited when he arrived in North London, George Hardy, after he, unasked, issued instructions to a player during a game - much to Chapman’s ire. However, Barclay also paints a fully rounded picture of the man who made Arsenal great by showing his undoubted pride in his family, quoting his reply when asked what the greatest achievement of his life was: “Hearing that my first son had qualified as a solicitor.” For all his football success, for a man from working class mining stock in a far less socially mobile era, this was an achievement indeed to be proud of.


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  1. Ron

    Jan 27, 2014, 13:25 #44729

    GH - Good points as ever. So far as big clubs in the 30s goes though, i cant see how a discussion can arise, never mind be of any use. Cant see how MG is convinced we would have won the Euro Cup time and time again. Thats just an emotionally charged guess. The games changed so much since then that any starting point of a notion of a big club then has to be different to now, in an age when Clubs are compared internationally. We were big domestically and yes, there was no doubt a level of knowledge of us abroad as you say. Anything else re the big club discussion is just speculative beyond that i feel. Youre right on Milan too, though i know nothing of ther finances, their pedigree is measured by their CL and Euro Cup wins as much if not more than their domestic triumphs. also massive. Its the way Clubs are perceived now isnt it and its right to say (arguably) that Arsenal havent 'made it' until theyve at least 1 and possibly more CL wins under their belts. CL pedigree though, as with my Liverpool point cant on its own confer big Club status ie look at Ajax now, Notts Forest too. Nobody would say theyre big clubs, but theyve both got a euro pedigree we would kill for at the Arsenal. For me. 'big club' notions start and finish with the cash flow and bank balances/owner funds now. How else can a domestic lightweight Club like Man City claim big club status? No great Euro pedigree, a few FAC s and 2-3 titles only. If not for the money behind them, i still see them as a medium sized club and only then due to their big support. Its all about perception and 'feel' isnt it. All good stuff!

  2. Green Hut

    Jan 27, 2014, 1:21 #44703

    Ron- Certainly Arsenal are a far greater financial football power than Liverpool, but then again in that respect we are also superior to Milan and you state they are a bigger club then us. This just goes to prove your point that it's difficult to define a 'big club', but their numerous European Cup wins do give them a status and reputation amongst European football fans that we don't have, no matter how many twitter hits we get. My point about Barca is that you don't have to resign yourself to forever remaining in the second tier of European football, especially if you have a big fanbase, play in the biggest city on the continent and have a glittering domestic honours list in one of Europe's major leagues behind you. And have to agree with Moscow Gooner about the 30s, I'm sure after 'The Battle Of Highbury' everyone knew our name!

  3. Ron

    Jan 26, 2014, 21:40 #44699

    Green Hut - Point taken re Liverpool and the 'big club'issue i mentioned. TBH mate, im never totally sure what Big Club means really. If it means an institution/club of greater financial power and more potential for growth than another though, we re miles ahead of Liverpool now. They can only live on yesteryear for so long and knowing Liverpool as i do as a City and it s lovely people, many of their own fans see the Club as struggling to retain its identity, as it flirts with long term mediocrity. The stadium issue they have is very troubling for them and isnt a problem solved easily in so tight a geographical location that itself is stuck in an area whose re generation has turned the City Council upside down and inside out for years. Liverpool are a club who are very much betwixt and between beleive me and they're fans know and recognise it. 5 European cups count for little now save for being a wonderful facet of the Clubs CV. It makes not a 'big club' in the modern game. 'Big' means growth potential. If the nettle is grasped Arsenal have it at their fingertips. Liverpool dont and wont for years yet. Arsenal are the bigger Club by a mile. On your Barca view - maybe 20 years, but its been 20 years thats enabled them to become a mammoth entity. Whats time got to do with it anyway? Liverpool, who you seems to defend, we re a nothing also ran until 1960. Their great days lasted only 30 years exactly, since which time their decline has continued save for 2005 intervening which barely moved the pattern of decline for them.

  4. Moscow Gooner

    Jan 25, 2014, 12:43 #44655

    I don't think you could credibly argue that Arsenal in the '30s were not 'a big club': they were THE biggest, not just in England but globally. They had the largest support - which took a long time to erode through the later decades without success - the best club stadium in the world for perhaps 20 years and last but not least a superb team. They would have won the European Cup year after year had it been in existence then. Really the Chapman statue should be the only one standing. With respect to Tony and Thierry their contribution to the Arsenal doesn't really stand anywhere in comparison to Chapman's. Moreover they are still both very much alive and kicking - the tradition that you only get a statue when you're dead and buried is a fine one, worth upholding! That aside, what really sets Chapman above AW in terms of being Arsenal's greatest ever manager has to be his capacity for truly radical tactical innovation. The Brazil World Cup winners of 1962 were still basically using Chapman's system 30 years on.

  5. BADARSE

    Jan 25, 2014, 10:54 #44646

    Green Hut, I cut you loose.

  6. Green Hut

    Jan 25, 2014, 9:34 #44643

    BADARSE- No thanks, I'm sure there's nothing you'd like better than to spend all weekend talking about you, but I'll let someone else indulge you there. Your plain point was answered in my post 47536, although I'm sure you'll always find some random factor in the wider world to excuse our failings and maintain the status quo.

  7. Westlower

    Jan 25, 2014, 8:57 #44642

    At least Chapman was spared the modern media's take on 3rd division Walsall knocking the league leaders out of the FA Cup in 1933. Can you imagine today's phones in's with the likes of Adrian Durham encouraging supporters to demand the sacking of the manager after such an embarrassing defeat.

  8. BADARSE

    Jan 25, 2014, 8:05 #44641

    Green Hut that isn't what I meant. Worth it is different to deserve it my friend. No person can actually claim they are worth it, despite American parlance claiming the opposite. With Karma-like insistence no one can deserve it either. We are just fans and want the best for our team. Your view of best differs from mine. You seem to focus on the manager, the CL, or any given specifics. Invariably it is with a scolding impatience. My view is perhaps on a larger scale, certainly different. I always check myself before I rail at an individual, system or circumstance. There are so many factors to account for to be able to settle on a black or white issue. My point is plain, no team can demand success in a cup competition because it is fickle. If you are one of the more powerful clubs you have a better chance than others. If you are one of ten really good clubs they are still long odds especially if half a dozen of those are more powerful than you-check those odds with westlower. You may still win it. Look at recent times, Chelsea? Liverpool? Barcelona 2006? You can jump up and down, spit on the floor, bang your head against the wall but that will still not win you the CL...or you can just post on this site with a certain brand of vitriol, achieving exactly the same thing. The fact that I don't do those things does not make me a happy loser. Ask yourself again why is that? I set you a task yesterday to ask yourself that question and like Arsenal's attempts to win the CL, you failed miserably. Try again with this new set of extra clues.

  9. Green Hut

    Jan 24, 2014, 23:23 #44640

    BADARSE- Well we've looked at it both ways and obviously due to our lack of success in the European Cup you're determined not to give any credit to any European champion, no matter whether their status is lesser, equal or superior to ours. The mention of Portsmouth is plain silly, you know that's not what I'm arguing. Re Ron's post, well despite their reputation Barca have only really been members of the big boys club for the past 20 odd years, and how our status overshadows 5 times winners Liverpool I've no idea. Apart from that, the usual modern life is rubbish stuff and a superb rant about Wenger. You and Ron may be content to see us a club who should know our place in the football world and accept our fate with a shrug of the shoulders, but I will continue to confront and challenge that culture of failure wherever I find it amongst our supporter base. And if that somehow deems me less worthy of enjoying a trophy win for my team, then so be it.

  10. jjetplane

    Jan 24, 2014, 20:42 #44639

    Is Gedion coming on? Mr Chapman would love it. He's sixteen and he's all over the net! What a passer of the ball. Not another one! Reckon we will beat Bayern cause they are scared of our Germans. Never a better season to win it. If City can go for four, we can go for three. Only thing that is bothering me is that the rubber legged samourai should be on another stage altogether. Shadow puppets or whatever.

  11. BADARSE

    Jan 24, 2014, 17:46 #44634

    Come on Green Hut. Marseilles won it as any reasonable club might. Marseilles are steeped in corruption and have drifted off the scene noticeably. Is that a fair exchange? How about other cup winners like Portsmouth? Don't you seriously get it? You may win a competition in an off the cuff way but is that what you would prefer, win in unexpected fashion then sink back into obscurity? What is it a testosterone rush you are after? You set your stall out to do the best you can, all the while knowing that a cup win may or may not occur. Reread Ron's post there is much to absorb in it. We are by comparison to the European giants a small club, whether it is a 'board comfort zone' is speculative, but we are a lesser light as a prospective winner. Then we could do it. Personally I wonder if you deserve it though. A member of The Happy Losers Club signing out.

  12. Green Hut

    Jan 24, 2014, 17:30 #44633

    BADARSE- I'm guessing what you mean, but if I hadn't wanted to give the most fair like-for-like comparison I would have mentioned those giants of world football Feyenoord, Marseille and Porto, all from lesser leagues and all European Champions. But I'm sure The Happy Losers Club believe that one near miss is a fair return for the past 15 years of trying.

  13. Tom O'B

    Jan 24, 2014, 16:54 #44632

    History. Class. Tradition. Nuff said Btw, another inconvenient truth for those at the Lane is that the area Tottenham ('glamorous' as it still is, I think even now not a few away fans use the Arsenal pubs they go to and get a 259) only becamed part of London itself - as opposed to Middlesex - in 1965. So, pretty much as they are now, their a middling mickey mouse club from the sticks. Oh, and MASSIVE with their, erm, two league titles - the second of which was, what, 70, 80 years ago?? Whatever.

  14. BADARSE

    Jan 24, 2014, 16:47 #44631

    OK Green Hut, with the deepest and sincerest respect that's your exercise for the evening, trying to work out how I am not frustrated by the fact that we haven't won the CL. One clue offered, you have to compare like for like.

  15. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 24, 2014, 16:43 #44630

    chris dee, that's been one of the problems with our club and fans over the last nine years too much of the ah well there's always next year mentality, and if Coventry were to cause an upset tonight, and we blow it again and see another false dawn come May and remain potless it will be the same, there's always next year.

  16. BADARSE

    Jan 24, 2014, 16:31 #44628

    chris dee don't let my words be misunderstood. If you feel like railing against any ineptitude then do so with my acceptance and well wishes. As I said my reality deems that nothing in life can be demanded. However that doesn't mean not trying our best. That is an understood with me, I won't accept a half-hearted attempt at anything. However where we part company is in the belief that AFC are doing their best or not, that's all. I don't think they are spotless at the club, and am sure you are reasonable enough to consider that they are not useless. So our differences are somewhere between the two, possibly near halfway, that's all. Try as AFC might we may not ever win it, that's got to be acceptable, sad for some, good for others. The unpredictability of life is what makes it so interesting, and the best reason for sticking around as long as possible. Here's to you, here's to me, here's to AFC, and here's to winning the CL!

  17. Ron

    Jan 24, 2014, 16:29 #44627

    Truth of the matter is that Arsenal arent a big Club in the sense of a Milan Real Barca etc. Theyve never really been that even in Chapmans days. Theyve never wanted to be and in all probability never will be. It never bothers,me generally that they arent, but when they talk and spin about themselves being such a Club, it grates as we all know its utter tripe. We re big in compalrion to Tottenham Aston Villa Liverpool Newcastle and Chelsea, but we re small fry to those ive mentioned and even Man Utd. To be honest, the feel of the modern big Club today, leaves me cold and it just re iterates to me how tacky football has become ie 'the money' takes all. Its part driven me away from a game that i lived and breathed for so many years and i know its done the same to many others. Arsenal are maybe light years away from a Cl win. Not just the cash stunts them, its the culture of the Club thats lacking. Theyve missed the chance to even start to re build a winning mentality at the Club over the years of Wenger aborting Cup tournaments year after year. He wd say no doubt that getting the virtual trophy every each year is a better grounding to becoming a truly top CL challenging Club and he might be right. I reckon hes just partially right. His latest barmy utterings about Chelsea s sale of Mata shows what type of Club we are. Quite small time, sanctimoniuous and somewhat petty and jealous i'd say. His comments are frankly embarrasing. Chris Dee - Arsenal wont even become the Club you want to see under Wenger. For us older fuc---s, we're past caring, or at least most of us are.

  18. Green Hut

    Jan 24, 2014, 16:26 #44626

    BADARSE- Winning the European Cup isn't fickle, every club that has won one of the four main European leagues as many times as us has won the European Cup at least twice. We're by far the most successful club never to have won it, and no offence but I fail to understand how a very competitive individual who loves winning could not be frustrated by that fact.

  19. chris dee

    Jan 24, 2014, 15:30 #44625

    Bad me old mate ,every other 'big'club have won the damn thing so I think we should all be questioning why we haven't. Fans saying it is a 'knock out competion' and needs some luck to win it let's the board,manager and players off the hook. Be demanding.It's what fans of big clubs do.

  20. BADARSE

    Jan 24, 2014, 13:49 #44622

    chris dee. I don't share your frustrations though am very competitive and love winning. Winning any said knock out competition is a bit( or a lot-depends on individuals perceptions), fickle. You might struggle for years then could win twice on the trot. It's how it works. If all clubs were of equal ability it would be 'something/1', say 64 teams so 64/1. That makes it a lottery. If you have an advantage by circumstance your odds are lowered of course, but even as a favourite you may not win the competition for ages and ages. We have never been favourites and have never won it. I don't think that is 'not good enough', I think it is reality, and quite a likely scenario. Sometime in the future we may do it, who knows, but I shall not die unhappy if it doesn't happen in my lifetime. Just another side of the same coin chum.

  21. chris dee

    Jan 24, 2014, 12:48 #44620

    Herbert Chapman made us the most famous club in the world in the 1930's. That's what every member of our board and every manager since the 2nd World War has failed to replicate and that's why so many fans sometimes are,including myself, are hyper critical. Not because we like critisising but because we love the club and want them to stand alongside clubs like Real, Barca,Munich ,AC Milan etc.We are not at the moment. And we will never achieve that if do not win the Champions league.It is just not good enough that after 60 years of the competion we are still waiting for success. Oh well,at least I managed to get a ticket for tonight's game.

  22. BADARSE

    Jan 24, 2014, 7:53 #44609

    maguiresbridge now that is a suggestion worth pursuing, but which one of us gets the spy glass and who is Watson? Great, great series incidentally, magnificent writing, directing and stunning charismatic performances from Cumberbatch and Freeman.

  23. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 24, 2014, 0:23 #44608

    BADARSE, Green Hut, maybe there was a referee on that committee 100years ago and maybe he was Mike Deans great great great grandfather?

  24. QuartzGooner

    Jan 23, 2014, 23:20 #44607

    Look forward to reading the book; a great man, a great manager and a great Gooner. "A friend of the Jews" because he was involved in local charities at the time. I always think about the WM formation, how Chapman called the team meeting in Newcastle, and listened to Charlie Buchan's thoughts how to adapt the existing formation to Arsenal's advantage. And I think of how in 1997 after defeat to Blackburn Arsene Wenger called a team meeting and listened to Tony Adams and Martin Keown explain how the midfield were not shielding them enough, and then how Petit and Vieira adapted their game to great success that season.

  25. BADARSE

    Jan 23, 2014, 22:53 #44604

    Green Hut, neither do I chum. Just circumstance.

  26. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 23, 2014, 19:58 #44601

    Ron : I could never back any other club now, any British team other than Arsenal in Europe and it's come on "Johnny Foreigner" I have got so cynical and bitter in my old age!

  27. Ron

    Jan 23, 2014, 19:07 #44600

    SKG - Topical Times and Buchans. Great stuff. Recall both. I used to get Charles Buchans 'Football Monthly'as well. Late 60s when i had that. You recall? I was a celtic 'fan' in 1967, but a Benfica fan in 68 mate ha. I cdt back them then and never have since, though i loved Georgie. He transcended the horrible Club for me!! Sort of backed Liverpool in the 70s and 80s Finals but not with any passionate feel for them win lose or draw. Now, i confess i cant back any of them at all and haven't for years mate. Its bad i know, but do any of us these days?

  28. Green Hut

    Jan 23, 2014, 18:21 #44597

    BADARSE- Certainly does. I'm fine with conspiracy theories, especially this one, I just don't believe that Mike Dean is biased against Arsenal.

  29. BADARSE

    Jan 23, 2014, 17:55 #44596

    Over a hundred years ago-that qualifies as an antique conspiracy Green Hut.

  30. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 23, 2014, 17:53 #44595

    Ron : Used to always get a Charles Buchan or a Topical Times football annual at Christmas. However my mate's older brother used to buy the World Soccer magazine and that is where I read many Brain Glanville articles. This would be earlier sixties but World Soccer was a great magazine and at 12 - 13 I could not get enough of football and although Arsenal mad I still remember always supporting British teams in Europe. If you still have your annuals in the attic I envy you. Unfortunately every so often my dear old mum would have a grand clear out and many of my treasured footie books got slung out. Thankfully I kept the programmes well hidden!

  31. Green Hut

    Jan 23, 2014, 17:32 #44593

    I'll be interested to read what Barclay has to say about tottenham's election to the Football League in 1908, as that particular episode deserves a chapter of it's own. Not necessarily because they finished 7th in the Southern League the previous season, but because of the suspicion at the time that just a few days after tottenham had initially failed to be elected at the AGM, they had bribed Stoke into resigning from the FL thus giving themselves another chance. A suspicion so strong that Stoke felt compelled to issue a public denial of any illicit practice, not surprising as the previous season, in identical circumstances, Oldham had subsequently been proven to have bribed Port Vale to resign their position. No Arsenal fan should take any crap from a tottenham fan re 1919 without throwing 1908 right back in his face.

  32. Westlower

    Jan 23, 2014, 17:30 #44592

    'Arsenal Football Club' by Brain Glanville, published in 1952. The reason I became a Gooner in the late 50's. Arsenal, there's magic in the name.

  33. Ron

    Jan 23, 2014, 16:24 #44587

    SKG - I always think of Xmas presents as a kid in the mid 60s when i see BG s name. There would usually be a 'football annual' of sorts and could be sure that BG would be the sponsor, the writer or he d have a stack of articles in it. They would often be about football abroad as you say. Teams and players abroad seemed so 'mystical' then didnt they. He captured it well. Other annuals would be 'Ken Wolstenholmes' annuals. Another legend! Do you recall them? Brilliant books. Still moth eaten in the attic mate somewhere, never got rid!

  34. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 23, 2014, 16:09 #44585

    Hi Ron : I believe "Cliff Bastin Remembers" was Glanville's first book - or ghost written for CB. I loved listening to Glanville talk about Italian football, in particular the defensive system the "Catenaccio" (The chain) BG knows World Football inside out and of course is a Gooner!

  35. smithy

    Jan 23, 2014, 15:48 #44584

    We owe everything to Herbert Chapman.

  36. Roy

    Jan 23, 2014, 15:34 #44583

    Wow ! Not a lot you can add to that - except to purchase the tome of course. It will be an honour and a privilege to add it to the collection.

  37. Ron

    Jan 23, 2014, 15:01 #44582

    SKG - Glanville = top Gunners fan and great writer isnt he mate! Ive read a few of his footie bookes going way back.

  38. maguiresbridge gooner

    Jan 23, 2014, 14:08 #44578

    The visitors who walk past his figure probably don't even know who he is, and have never heard of him. Good review Layth, and well done Patrick I,ll certainly be buying the book.

  39. Seven Kings Gooner

    Jan 23, 2014, 13:56 #44576

    I have two great books about Arsenal "Forward Arsenal" by Bernard Joy and "Cliff Bastin Remembers" by Cliff Bastin & Brian Glanville. After reading these books you understand why Arsenal are the "royalty" of the football world. Patrick Barclay is a superb writer and I have already ordered my copy. BTW: Layth a superb post.

  40. El Bodgeo

    Jan 23, 2014, 13:03 #44571

    Before every home game, I trot down to our, and Herbert's magnificent old home, climb the steps, pop into the East Stand entrance, accross the marble cannon and pat the old boy on the head. I always leave feeling as though he's still there in that great building. Try it and you'll see what I mean.

  41. BADARSE

    Jan 23, 2014, 12:52 #44569

    We Are BuildATeamTDom, that season, 1932 we were double runners up, not nice, but have been unfortunate in that respect-finishing second twice in the same season- on different occasions in our history.

  42. WeAreBuildingATeamToDominate

    Jan 23, 2014, 12:37 #44567

    I hate to be pendantic Layth, and enjoyed reading this (it sounds like a great book) but the first title was in 1931 not the year after. By all accounts an indifferent start to the season meant the team came up short at the end of it.

  43. Gus Caesar's Curvaceous Bottom

    Jan 23, 2014, 10:49 #44557

    If the premise of this review was to encourage us to go out and get the book then it has worked, a very enjoyable read. I'm not a fan of football books per se, very few hold my attention, but the context of the book as you describe it makes it seem very interesting, and of course Patrick Barclay is an excellent journalist - Thanks!

  44. BADARSE

    Jan 23, 2014, 10:00 #44552

    Oh, Layth! That was the single most brilliantly written review I have ever read. I salute you, my friend. It is a given truth that Herbert was so, so special, and his spirit is still locked within the fabric of Arsenal Football Club. The book sounds riveting, and if it matches your prose it is an imperative for any Arsenal fan. Thank you for high lighting it's content so well; a must buy.

  45. Ron

    Jan 23, 2014, 8:23 #44548

    A top quality journo writing about a great man. Thanks for this. I shall get the book for sure.